From Swear Words to Show Growth: What Podcasters Can Learn the Hard Way

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Dave Jackson (00:00):
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Greetings, Dave.
Happy Saturday morning to you.
Sorry to leave you in the lurcha couple weeks ago.
I literally gave you an hour ofnotice and said, Yeah, I can't
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Yeah, that's it, man.

Uh well, I know this is the best position for
me.
Otherwise, uh it gets I getfatigued pretty quick.
So I'm here.

I know you've you've done the show with a
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Uh you've done the show afterlike running 40 stairs.
The I think the day be like, soI'm like, if Jim's tapping out,
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So it was cry it wasn't it was crying worthy
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Like I have been I haven't beenin this much pain in a long
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And uh of course, seeing thedoctor and all those other
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We're we're we're getting takencare of, but it just gets when
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It's just gonna take some time.
Anyway, so we'll be in arelaxed position today.
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Speaker 01 (03:47):
There you go.
And here's a here's a let'sstart off with a fun tangent.
Why not?
It's Dave Jackson.
You've heard me comp you'veheard me complain about how bad
going to the movies is and howpodcasters can learn from this.
Yeah, I I went to my movie app,which I've now finally
unsubscribed, and here's why mylocal theater has gone out of

(04:09):
business.

Speaker 00 (04:10):
Yeah, I think we're gonna see a lot of that in the
next couple years.
So we're gonna see a lot ofthat, a lot of that.
Yeah.
Hey, welcome back, by the way.
How was uh tell where were youagain?
Tell me.

Speaker 01 (04:21):
I was at the Empowered Podcasting Conference
in Charlotte, North Carolina.
That's a thing that MarkRonick, I always want to call
him Ronic, and it's nope, it'sRyan Ronic, uh as in Ironic.

Speaker 00 (04:33):
Uptown funk guy?
Mark Ronick?
Isn't that Uptown?

Speaker 01 (04:36):
No, that's isn't that Bruno Mars?
No, I mean that's the singer,but it was written, I think, by
Mark Ronick.
Oh, there you go.
Maybe he's got a you know gigon the side.
But it was an it was a greatfacility.
Like with like as in that, itwas kind of like fancy, but not
to not like Gaylord fancy.

(04:58):
Like we don't need that.
And the location was amazing.
We myself and Ralph is here.
He got to meet Dave in inperson.
Yeah, I got to hang out withRalph and Craig Van Slyck and
Mark from Practical Prepping,Mark Lawley, and his wife
Krista.
And so we all went to dinnerand Ralph picked up the check.
Very nice guy for that.

(05:18):
But we got some really goodspaghetti and just this Italian.
I guess it's a chain.
Starts with an M.
There you go, ends with avowel, shocking Italian
restaurant ends in a vowel.

Speaker 00 (05:29):
Macadoodles, macadons.

Speaker 01 (05:30):
Something Marianos, yeah, okay.
Mark Ronson is the guy thatwrites the songs for the whole
world sings, although that'salso Barry Manilo, who
shockingly, I think it's true,didn't write that song that he
writes the songs.
That he writes the songs.
He didn't write the song thathe wrote the song about.
Yeah, so there we go.

(05:50):
Magianos was that and soeverything was in walking
distance, so that was cool.
And got to meet some reallycool people, and you know, all
and all over it was a it was anintimate gathering, so there's
probably sixty to seventy-fivepeople there, you know.
And it was their it was theirsecond event, so you're gonna

(06:11):
have, you know, you're look,there's gonna be wrinkles at
Podfest, and they've done thatfor however many gazillion
years.
So there's always that thingthat, you know, A, there's a lot
of technology involved, butthey're they're and the tech was
easy.
It was basically they startedoff with three remote three
wireless microphones, and thebatteries were almost dead in

(06:32):
all three of them that you'relike going, oops, somebody
forgot to change.
Because usually with thosethings, it starts to get
distorted.
And what was funny is they likeit would go bad and they would
hand him another one and it'd begreat, and then it'd go
distorted, and then so it'slike, well, that's what happens
on day one.

unknown (06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (06:49):
Gotta check the batteries.
Got the true batteries.
That's why I don't that's why II tried to do as little with
batteries in the studio here aspossible.
Right?
It's just because you they'rethey're always gonna go out that
moment.
The most important moment ofyour life, they're gonna go out
on you, and you're gonna, youknow, so it it is uh for those

(07:10):
so would you say like did youget a feel?
Do you think the podcast uhconference space is still
viable?

Speaker 01 (07:17):
Like I know we're trying, but it's tough because
here's the thing when you'rewhen you're getting a discount
at a hotel, you're on the hookfor that.
Whether anybody shows up ornot, you're paying for those
rooms.
And so Mark talked about this.
He was uh on the first day, andit was kind of funny because he

(07:39):
just kind of jokingly said, hesaid, What the hell is wrong
with you people?
You all waited to like the lasttwo weeks to you know, like
Memorial Day.
He said, Really kicked it off.
He goes, but there he goes, wewere this close to canceling
this because they had sold ahandful.
He says, but it was like thelast two weeks, and everybody
jumped in.
So yeah, SP, hey SP says, Ithink podcast seminars would be

(08:03):
more viable than conferencesright now.
Uh see it here's the thingthough.
The thing I would rememberseminars?

Speaker 00 (08:10):
Live seminars or virtual?

Speaker 01 (08:12):
Yeah, I think what do you think he mean by that?
I'm thinking he's thinking, youknow, Zoom stuff.
Because for for me, the part Itook away was not not that the
sessions were bad, but it washanging out with Ralph and and
Mark and Craig and Krista.
It always the last night theyrented a floor, a whole floor of

(08:34):
this building.
So we just kind of all hung outtogether.
Again, really nice kind oflocation.
And it was me and Tracy DeForgeand and Jen from the
Podcasters, ProfessionalPodcasters Association, and all
of a sudden Tracy said exactlywhat I was thinking, which was
man, it's weird to be at apodcast conference and there's
no Todd Cochrane.
And then we we we all justtraded Todd stories for about

(08:57):
you know 20 minutes, and thatwas cool.
Ralph says it was my firstconference, and to be honest, I
did not have many greattakeaways, but maybe I'm not
their target market, perhaps.
And why does everyone need touse profanity?
That is something that that'skind of weird.
Look, I'm not a prude, but likeevery talk, like I'm gonna keep
this clean, but they you know,they were talking about stuff a

(09:20):
lot.
Everybody had stuff, and I waslike, is there, you know, okay,
because to me, if I'm on stage,I want to be professional.

Speaker 00 (09:27):
And not that saying stuff is unprofessional, it was
just kind of like, hmm, youknow, Jeff C's is out outside of
ask the podcast coach, I swearlike a sailor, but I try to you
you you know, when you're doingthese kinds of things, you can
go 90 minutes and not say thosewords.
It is reasonable.
Yeah, I mean you can't you cando those for me on a podcast.

Speaker 01 (09:48):
If I don't swear, I can appeal to everyone.
If I do, there's a lot of momsin the car driving kids to work
that are like, ooh, we got toturn this off.
So yeah, Jeff says, I thinksmaller conferences are where
things are headed, much moreintimate and better networking.
Jeff, how was well, I know theanswer to this question, but how
is Ecamm?

(10:09):
I I'm I didn't go to creatorcamp this year, but that was a
very fun event, very unique.
You basically take over thislittle itty bitty city in uh
somewhere on the outside ofBoston, and you go pet alpacas,
and it that was a really cool,intimate thing.
Randy says, I was gonna go uhin the last few weeks, things

(10:31):
leading up.
Yeah, you lost his co-host.
I need to be there.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's one where family comesfirst.
Sorry, Randy.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's it.
I'm sending kids to work.
Yeah, that's it.
So it was it was a good time,but it it's not always the uh
I'm trying to think if it's everthe the sessions.
And it's funny because youknow, the speakers put in a lot

(10:54):
of time into their session, butusually the takeaway for me is
almost always something Ilearned in the hallway.
Like in this case, Megan, Iforget Megan's last name, did a
great presentation on Facebookads.
And I'm like, you know what?
I need to go back and look atthat.
You know.
Ralph says, swearing is greatwhen you have a point to make,
but otherwise it seems to be abit of a crutch for those who

(11:17):
lack the ability to effectivelyexpress themselves.
Howard Stern, when he came toSirius, like everybody's like,
hey, we can say the F-bomb, andhe's like, No, no, no, no.
He's like that half his fun washow can I not cross the line
but come as close as I can toit?
That was kind of and he said,No, we're not really into that.
So yeah, Stephanie says uhSinbad, the comedian, was so

(11:38):
funny and never said anythingvulgar or curse words, you know.
So yeah.
Bill Cosby done.
Yeah, Bill Cosby, the comedian,not the person, the comedian
was very entertaining without,you know, in fact, he would go
around and please everybody, youknow, you shouldn't be using
the S word on everybody.
Give me some pudding.
So, you know, well, that'sawesome.

Speaker 00 (12:02):
The well, but the the thing is, you know, you and
I have been doing this for 10years, and we have an audience
that that joins for they likeit, and you and I don't curse on
this podcast.
We just don't.
And so we never talked aboutit, we never decided, we never
wrote any rules, we just kind ofsaid, we just kind of both you
and I are like, Yeah, we don'tdo that when we podcast, right?

(12:25):
That's our choice.
That's what we decided to do.
It would be really weird, evenyou know, to Ralph's point, if
every once in a while I droppeda swear word or you dropped a
swear word for emphasis, we getsome we get some interesting
feedback on that.
There would be some folks whoare like, hey, listen, what are
you doing?
Yeah, I've been listening toyou because you don't, right?

(12:45):
And so listen, you've got to dowhatever you if you want to
swear on your podcast, you know,go for it.
Go, but don't be surprised whenif you didn't before, and then
you start, don't be surprised ifyou get you know messages from
people who are like, hey, I Ilistened to you because you
didn't do that.
So again, you can do whateveryou want in this space, just

(13:07):
know your audience from thatperspective.
I don't want I don't do itbecause I do this
professionally, and I wouldn't Iwouldn't ever do it on the
Gallup side of things.
So, you know, it's like, well,then there's gonna be some
crossover, and so I just decideda long time ago for the most
part.
Doesn't mean I never have.
I've probably slipped once ortwice, but or maybe three times.

(13:28):
But but I decide that's thedecision I made just to do that.
If you want to do that, listen,you're welcome to.
You can do it as much as youwant on your podcast, right?
We just choose not to.
We just choose not to.

Speaker 01 (13:40):
Stephanie says YouTube is loose in their
policy.
If you haven't seen it, on thechannel for YouTube creators,
there's a guy from Google, andhe's like, so there are there
are some curse words like shhand and this, and he's like, and
then there are other ones, andit's so funny just watching him
in a very nonchalant way,non-emotionally charged way,

(14:01):
just drop F bombs and thingslike that.
It's so funny.
It's like, now if you say, andit's like, okay, so it was that
was pretty funny.
Chris from if I can get mymouse to work says, even though
I try to avoid saying bad words,that's how some people in the
real world talk.
And that's usually the thing.
They're like, I'm just keepingit real.
And I'm like, I get that.
People can choose with theirwallets and their clicks.

(14:22):
Yeah.
I mean, just a second ago, Inow I was quoting Mark.
I could have said, and Marksaid, What the heck are you
guys, what the heck is wrongwith you guys?
I said H E double hockey stick.
So, you know, that's but I wasquoting somebody.
So and I also I also agreethere are curse words, and then
there are, you know, look, ifyou get a little bit of dog poop

(14:43):
on your shoe, it might befeces.
And then if you get more, it'sa little poop, and then if you
get a little more on your shoe,it's crap, you know, and then
eventually you're like, oh man,I stepped in a ton of dog sh you
know.
It's like, okay.
So it's it kind of differentlevels, different words.
For sure.
My favorite line from GeorgeCarlin, he said the F-word is
the one you save for the end ofthe argument.

(15:05):
It's like that's kind of true.

Speaker 00 (15:08):
Um the good day, sir.

Speaker 01 (15:10):
Good day, sir.
Yes.
Chris says Gary V exclude exexcludes many people because he
bobs and scats with F bombs.
But Ben Yeah, he's that's histhing.

Speaker 00 (15:23):
People don't know what's going on.
That's your shit with Gary V.
You know what you're gettingwith him, right?
You you you're he's weeded outthe people who don't like that.
They are not gonna go back toit.

Speaker 01 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah.
I don't have to prepareanything, and I can swear like a
sailor.
Yay, that's my brand.
Okay.
And also keep in mind, Gary Vjust just purchased apparently
part of the stand store.
It's this kind of what if LinkTree had a baby with uh I don't

(15:54):
know, kind not even WordPress,but it's it's with the circle,
maybe.
Like you can do courses andstuff with it.
And if that's not enough, butwait, there's more.
Steven, what's his name fromDiary of a CEO also bought a
chunk of the stand store thing.
So just brace yourself becausewe're gonna hear a lot about how

(16:16):
the stand store is the next bigthing.
And you need to forget, I Iremember I saw Pat Flynn, and I
love Pat Flynn.
Said, oh, you don't need awebsite anymore, you just need
stand.
And I was like, let me see.
Oh, and Pat is an advisor tothe company.
And I was like, because heactually also we have a uh
testimonial from Pat Flynnsaying how great Podpage is.
And I was like, hmm, that'sinteresting.

(16:38):
And so just keep in mind thatall of a sudden I I predict in
the the next month or so we'regonna hear how, oh what, you
don't have a stand store?
And I was like, Oh, here we go.
So it's always interesting howthese guys love these products
once they own a piece of it.

Speaker 00 (16:52):
So that's uh that's the business of it, right?

Speaker 01 (16:56):
Yeah, and they could also say that, you know, they
bought a piece of it becausethey believe in the product.
I mean, so I I get that too.
So here we go.
Stephanie says a boy in mychurch got in trouble for saying
son of a biscuit.
And his father told him, Inever want to hear you say that.
I remember growing up, youweren't allowed to say sucks.

Speaker 00 (17:16):
Yeah, I got in trouble.
I got in trouble for in collegefor saying that from the
platform.
Yeah.
He said, Sometimes this worldreally sucks.
And then my the dean, he wouldlater become the dean of the
school, but he comes up to meand he goes, You you need to you
need to go to apologize forwhat you said.
I said, and I thought he meantthe message of what I was
saying, not the word.
And he go, and I said, Well, II wouldn't I wouldn't regret

(17:39):
anything that I said.
I I believed it from my heart,you know, whatever.
And he was like, No, the Sword.
And I was like, Did I say, didI say, you know, you you start
going through the speech again,and you're like, I didn't say I
didn't say the S word.
Oh, and then I he he mouthedit.
He couldn't even say it.
He goes, It sucks.
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, I saidthat.

(18:01):
I'm sure I said that.
I said, All right, you're fine.
I said, it's you're right.
I'm a California kid.
I grew up saying thateverywhere.
My parents didn't care if Isaid it or not.
I didn't, I don't see that as acurse word, but some people do,
right?
So so I went up on the platformand apologized and to the to
the audience.
And after the session was over,I had a dozen people come up to

(18:25):
me and say, because I didn'tsay what I said.
I just said if I offended you,I'm sorry.
What did you say?
What did you say?
More people started listeningto me after that.
He's edgy.
Like, oh my gosh, he saysthings.
I mean, maybe that's a tactic.
Just go up and apologize atsome point for something you
don't say what it is, and thenmaybe people will listen more in

(18:47):
the future because they'll belike, Is he saying things I
should be listening to?
So it might be a good optionthere.

Speaker 01 (18:53):
I had fun just this is this is kind of a Howard
Stern moment where, like, oh, Ican say this and it's not wrong.
I I forget the name of thecharacter, but there's a story
in the Bible about some guy thatpicked up the jawbone of a
donkey and then beat people withit.
And I explained how this guywent around and killed all these
people.
And of course, another name fordonkey is that one.

(19:17):
Yeah, and I said, So he he beatpeople with a with a piece of
ass.
And I was like, I just want tosay that because I can say it in
a church and it's accurate.

Speaker 00 (19:25):
That is good.

Speaker 01 (19:27):
And everybody was like, ah, that's not dirty.
And I'm like, nope, I know youwant to get offended because I
said that word.
Yeah.
Jeff says, I said screwed up inchurch and a church message and
got in trouble.
Yeah, these are all these arebecause that was sexual.
Ooh, it's sexual.

Speaker 00 (19:42):
Yeah.
So I say holy buckets a lot.
I'll be like, holy buckets.

Speaker 01 (19:47):
That sounds like Robin.
I don't know why I just startedsaying that.
Too much early Batman.
Yeah.
Because Robin would be like,holy, you know, Audio Technica
2100, Batman.
Yeah.
John Jamango says, I got introuble one time editing a
podcast because I left Damn inHell because it was a clean
show.
Yeah, that's yeah, that'sthere.

(20:08):
You go.
There goes our clean rating.
Uh see, I just said thosewords.
Doggone.
See those as cursed words.
That's it.

Speaker 00 (20:15):
Well, that's the one.
Like, you know, there's so manymore worse ones than that.
But but why are they worse?
Like, I mean, think about this,think of the anatomy of a swear
word, right?
I mean, that why?
Because we've collectively saidthey are.
Like, and I know they'remeanings.
That's really it.
I know they have they hadmeanings in the in the but it

(20:38):
yeah.
Isn't that funny?
That we that word, you thinkabout the F word, right?
And that is such a dividingline.
I think you you you have tohave an opinion on that word.
And most people would say the Fword is out of bounds, right?
For the most part.
But why?
Like it's just a word.

Speaker 01 (20:59):
My favorite is was watching The Longest Yard with
Burt Reynolds, the original one,which is just wow on TV where
they clean it up and it would belike, son of a buck, you know,
you you you son of a biscuiteater, you know, mother lover,

(21:20):
like wait, what?
So it's just weird.
And you're like, I don't thinkthat's what they were saying.

Speaker 00 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 01 (21:26):
Dan Lefebb says, uh, swearing is a social thing.
Fifty years ago, the swearwords were different.
Some people are just toosensitive, in his honest
opinion.
Yes.
Holy grail.
Yeah.
Uh there's, you know, yeah, uhDaniel G.
Lewis says, my favoritenon-curse phrase is what the
Huey doing, Louie?
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (21:47):
Hey, it's uh is fart a curse word?
Is is that let's let's weigh inon this.

Speaker 01 (21:52):
See, when we can you say that when we get to when we
get to bodily functions, yeah,people get a little weird
because you know, we all fart,but yet if you say fart, you
know, I think I I'm smelling uhah, there you go.
So you didn't even think aboutthat.
It's like I'm smelling uh anepisode title for this.
But uh, where's my rim shots?

Speaker 00 (22:11):
Anatomy of a curse word?

Speaker 01 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah.
There are there's a there was athing on Netflix that went
through like why is the F-word,where did it come from?
What was this?
How did we get this word?
Yeah, Chris Stone fromCastahead.net.
When I worked for Sony, one ofmy accounts wanted a clean
version of a two short album.
I sent him an instrumentalversion.

(22:34):
Well, that's it.
I mean, some of the these kidsof the day, you know, I see them
on the TV, on the MTV musicawards, and every other word is
bleeped out.
I'm like, well, okay.
I still remember, let's see.
Elton John, someone saved mylife tonight.
He says it's four o'clock inthe morning, darn it, but he

(22:55):
doesn't say darn it, you know.
So, and I was just like, hejust said darn it on the radio.
I was like, holy cow! And thenAxel Rose, uh Guns N' Roses, or
Ted Nugent on Double Ive Gonzois that's one of those where
you're like, you know, I'd liketo dedicate this to all the
Nashville good-looking womenbody parts.

(23:16):
Yeah, so it's yeah.
And then Chris says, anotherChris, we have buy one Chris get
a second one free today.
I guess it depends on where youlive and where you grow up.
Swear words and normalconversation.
I I know for there is acommunity aspect to it where
we're all good people, but whenwe get around our boys, now we
can talk freely, and it's it'skind of a sign of camaraderie,

(23:41):
like, hey, I trust you enough,because you know, if you say a
swear word, I might go tell yourmom, you know, that kind of
thing.
I've seen I've I've read aboutthat.
I've I actually studied alittle bit, like, why are curse
words curse words?
And you know, here we go.
Who else remembers BattlestarGalactica's frack?
Yeah, I've fracking, yeah,that's true.

Speaker 00 (24:01):
There's all sorts of that was that is just blatant,
you know.
That's just a blatantreplacement type deal, but it's
okay.
I mean, yeah, they got awaywith it.
Yeah.

Speaker 01 (24:13):
There we go.
W John Jamingo says, I wasimpressed with a story from
Daniel J.
Lewis.
He smashed his thumbnail movinga desk and didn't swear.
I yeah, I don't know that thatwould be possible.
Although stubbing your toe,usually the swear when you're
hurt.

Speaker 00 (24:30):
Why do you why do you go to those words in those
moments?

Speaker 01 (24:35):
I mean, that's a really good question.

Speaker 00 (24:37):
Stress, pain, let's put let's put those together.
Why do we do that?
Like, what is the you know toshow that it really hurts?

Speaker 01 (24:44):
That there's this like this isn't just a owl and
ouch, same way, like we wentfrom feces to to poop to to crap
to you know, and now like whenyou when you accidentally, you
know, you move the footstool andyou hit it with your toe, after
you get done going, right?
That's the natural thing, andthen it's like mother.

(25:05):
Like, yeah.

Speaker 00 (25:07):
So that's and I think that's it.
Yeah, when you that's likethat's that's a 12.

Speaker 01 (25:18):
Uh bob.

Speaker 00 (25:22):
When you drop that bob, all that's it.
Everybody stay away.
It's gonna take just go, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 01 (25:28):
Yeah, it's uh it's what Chris says.
It's the emotional outcry tothe world.
Yeah.
They're talking about editingEddie Murphy's Raw album.
Oh, yeah.
Chris says that album would besilence, followed by a crowd
laughing their guts off.

Speaker 00 (25:43):
Well, didn't George Carlin do one too that was that
didn't he do the seven sevenwords you can't say?
Wasn't that George Carlin?
Yeah.
Who did that?
And yeah, I mean, you you youyou know I loved Craig Ferguson
used to bleep because he justswore on the show.
Right.
But he would bleep it withfunny, he had funny phrases,
yeah, you know, I'll watch acoming agoin' or something like

(26:05):
that.
You know, he had all thesephrases and he'd bleep them out
with that kind of stuff.
What am I that's creative wayof doing it?

Speaker 01 (26:11):
Well, my favorite is Jen Briney,
Congressionaldish.com, awebsite, by the way, designed by
Mark at podcastbranding.co.
And uh Jen starts off very it'sa news show, and she's reading
her news and she's very proper,and then she starts reading
about the crazy things thatCongress is doing.
And when she says the F word,Daryl Darnell is her editor from

(26:36):
uh Pro Podcast Solutions, hesubstitutes a golf swing, which
is perfect because it's like,and these shrieking guys and
this guy's and I, you know, I'mthinking, what the sweak?
And it's like, oh, that thatfits perfectly.

Speaker 00 (26:51):
So it's a good way to do it.
It's a good way to do it.
Replace it with something fun.
Don't do the or the boop or thebeeps or the like do the duck
quack something, yeah.

Speaker 01 (27:02):
Well, as SP says, going into another language to
swear is one of the mostrespectful ways to express
profanity in a monolingualcrowd, except the Spanish crowd
is gonna be like, why is he?

Speaker 00 (27:14):
So Why are you offending me in my language?

Speaker 01 (27:17):
Uh in my own language.
They're like now now all theSpanish people are gonna be
like, well, we gotta turn thisoff.
I don't know.
So you know, words, you know,it's it's uh we're yeah.
And that's that's I think to mewhy I think they're fun,
because in the end they are justkind of words, but you know,

(27:37):
somehow we we will, you know.

Speaker 00 (27:39):
Well, but people have a real opinion.
Like some people see cursing asas a lower version of language.
In other words, they'll say,You curse because you're you
don't have enough langu controlof your own language to use more
creative words, or you youknow, or you know, the profanity

(28:00):
is some kind of it adegradation to the culture kind
of thing.
So there's some folks who havea real strong opinion about what
that cursing means, right?
To the to them.
And it gets kind of it getskind of personal sometimes, you
know, with that.
There's others who are like,yeah, it's fine.
I mean, I'm I hear it all thetime.
I don't see it as any being anydifferent than any other word
in that sense.

(28:20):
So definitely that culture ofhow people see those things, and
you definitely, I mean, thereare definitely groups of folks
who gather who then impose thosethings on each other in some of
those kinds of ways.
So it's certainly it'scertainly a challenge from a
podcasting standpoint.
It it all goes back, Dave, isknow your audience, right?
Who are you speaking to withthese kinds of things?

(28:43):
And back to my example, Ishouldn't have said sucks from
the platform at a Bible college.
Right.
That's right.
I you know, I shouldn't havesaid that.
I should have known better.
It was handled, by the way,perfectly.
Like the, you know, the theuniversity president who pulled
me aside.
You know, you you admonish,right?
You admonish in public, youcorrect in private, right?

(29:07):
That's that's usually that's agood leadership skill to have.
He pulled me aside.
He didn't get up on theplatform and make fun of me or
call me out from the platform,right?
He pulled me aside and said,Hey, I I need you, let's correct
this kind of thing, right?
And that was his opinion.
I didn't think it was that bad.
But but okay.

(29:27):
I think there's some goodlessons in that from podcasters.
I think there's some goodlessons in that we can learn
from each other, is that youknow, oftentimes, listen, we
control the microphone, wecontrol the chat room from that
standpoint.
And and and I really do believeas much as we can, those
corrections need to be doneprivately.
And then, you know, but butcelebrate each other publicly as

(29:49):
much as we can.
That's a great way to do it aswell.
So I think there's some goodlessons in that.

Speaker 01 (29:54):
Yeah, I'm trying to find my list.
I used to have a list ofcountries.
That I got from Daniel J.
Lewis.
And they're all like somethingstands, blah, blah, blah.
You know, Rich Graham haseverybody's favorite curse word,
which is pound sign, percentsign, pound, and percent.
That's hilarious.

(30:15):
Yeah, I can't find it.
But it they're all in theMiddle East.
I remember that.
It's all gigstackey stan andgigaby.
I cannot find it.
Because I'm sitting here typingin hashtag cuss, hashtag swear.
I cannot find it anywhere.
So, Daniel, I don't know if youhave that uh list somewhere,

(30:37):
because that's where I got itfrom him.
But there are a bunch, most ofthem are in the Middle East.
But it it's like seven or eightcountries.
And it's if if you and I'm notsure exactly what the process
is.
Like if you swear, especiallynow with transcripts, maybe
Apple could, in theory, if theysee one of those words,

(31:00):
automatically flag your episodeas explicit, not saying they do
this.
I'm just saying that's possiblenow.
And if you mark one episodeexplicit, these other countries
just like you are out of theApple store.
So yeah.
So that's well, here this iswhat I'm worried about.
Craig says in Spain, peopleswear so much the words have

(31:21):
lost their effect.
And that's why when I say youshouldn't swear, it's not that
I'm offended.
It's like, no, no, no.
I want to preserve the power ofthe F word.
I'm like, don't just use itlike it's, you know.
And that's that's becauseotherwise, how what are you
gonna say for the end of theargument if the F-word has lost
its power?

Speaker 00 (31:41):
You say good day, sir.
Good day.
That's it.
That's what you say.
That's what you say.
That's how you end an argument.

Speaker 01 (31:47):
You just say good day.
Well, let's see if this works.
This is my list, but I think afew of these have been removed,
so I don't know.
I have three dots.
Maybe you can't make that longof a comment.

Speaker 00 (31:59):
But or maybe those words aren't aren't allowed to
be.
Anyway.
I love John Jamingo's quote.
Throw that up there, Dave,really quick.
It says I tell those people whosay cursing is for low
intelligence to go themselves.
That's it.
Oh, very good, John.
Very good.

Speaker 01 (32:17):
All right.
Well, we have a fun, it's along one, but I I was like, hey,
look, it's it's somethingthat's not what's the best
microphone under 200 bucks.
I saw this out at Reddit.
I don't know that I'll readthis whole thing, but he says,
this is not easy to write.
Apologies.
I'll split it into two orthree.
Feel free to ignore the secondpart, et cetera, et cetera.

(32:40):
Where do should I be sendingpress kits to my guest?
I host a comedy interviewpodcast called Tyrant in
Training.
So to me, Tyrant in Training, Idon't I I would think that's a
business show for CEOs, maybe,or something.
I don't know.
And I I definitely wouldn'tguess that as a comedy show, but

(33:01):
that's just me.
That's a survey of one.
And I usually have guests onthat have plenty of online
followers.
They're right there to me is abit of a red flag.
For context, I I have a podcastdoing 30 downloads each
episode, but guests havehundreds of thousands of
followers and are comediansthemselves.
I tag them in posts, but theyonly sometimes share.

(33:22):
So should I send out press kitsto them?
And so that's where, for me atleast, you're you're missing the
boat.
I first of all, especially onsocial media, unless it's naked
people with swear words, you'reprobably not going to get people
to stop.
I mean, when I I started lookat yourself when you're on

(33:44):
social media and you're goingthrough the Twitters and the
threads and then like, Iliterally am scrolling, looking
for anything, and whatever yousay has to stop the scroll
first.
So let's say you were luckyenough to get them to stop the
scroll.
Then whatever you said, youhave, I would say, a very small

(34:04):
chance of getting someone toactually click and leave their
doom scrolling to go watch yourshow or listen to it.
I I don't know.
That's he he goes on.
He says, I feel, let's see, I'min this terrible state of
spiraling into despair andcontinuing this podcast.
I do enjoy it.
Now that's weird, because youknow, I I love my bike riding,

(34:29):
but I'm not gonna do it anymorebecause, you know, I like if you
enjoy it.
So, but man, over a hundredepisodes and still 30 downloads
each episode, it's depressing.
Over and over again.
I've got good guests on, likewith plenty of followers, but
none of it matters.
So for me, let's let's look atthat a second.
You've done this multiple timesand you've got 30 downloads.

(34:52):
I think it's time to say thatstrategy is not working.
Doesn't mean it's, you know,your show's bad.
Uh it's always the samedownload numbers.
Here's what's really buggingme, though.
I ask people if they like toguest, and I get really
enthusiastic feedback saying thepremise sounds great and they'd
love to do it.
They record an episode, seemsgreat after that.

(35:15):
Some share when uh when they'retagged, but any follow-up email
I sent, even just yanking them,I think it means thanking them,
is most times no response orjust okay or a short reply back.
It's like, hey, they go fromexcited to not wanting to deal
with me, and it feels like theyloved the premise, but then

(35:36):
recorded it and realized it'scrap.
Well, that that could be.
That's an option.
So I'm left with the commondenominator in every episode is
me.
That's kind of dangerous, butokay.
I'm the reason it ever gets 30downloads.
I'm annoying, off-puttingsomething which really messes
with my mind because then I go,email a guest, they are

(35:59):
enthusiastic about it, theyrecord with me and are laughing
and saying it's fun, and I actlike I'm fully believing them,
but internally I'm tellingmyself, nope, they regret this.
I'm ruining it.
It's hard to enjoy doing animprov.
Oh, there's a there's a wordright there that makes me very
worried.
Improv comedy podcast whenlooking for a guest and thinking

(36:20):
they hate me, they wish someelse doing this right now.
So now we're into a, we'rewe're piling on imposter
syndrome to or we're adding, youknow, fire to the imposter
syndrome here.
Doing 12-hour work days, andthen finding time to put out a
podcast every week is timeconsuming and draining.

(36:40):
I love doing the podcast, butdo you?
It doesn't sound like it, butit's disheartening to see this
proof that I'm bad at it.
This is where he needs to go tobuzzsprout.com/slash stats.
I think the average is like 37downloads an episode.
Other people can do podcasts,and after 10 episodes in a
crowded niche, they can sailpast 30 downloads.

(37:03):
I believe I've a good premise.
So number two, he's staring athis competition.
I believe good premise, and Ithink the quality is good.
I'm just the issue.
I'm a bad host, a bad person toattract any listeners.
Common advice is to market byasking guests to share the
episodes, guests on otherpodcasts, but it's like I rarely

(37:25):
get guests sharing episodes,and I can never find any
podcasts for me to be a gueston.
That's not true.
And there are shows that willtake anybody.
Again, I love doing thepodcast.
To me, it's starting to soundlike he's convincing himself
here.
And I try to focus, try not tofocus on download numbers at
all.
Enjoy the process, you know.
I think the fact gets guestsseem to ignore me once I record

(37:49):
with them triggers, rejectionissues.
So that's not good.
Honestly, I need to get thisout so I can.
I think that's what he's doing.
I think he's just doing therapyon Reddit.
Side note, I'm already in a mixof shame for posting this for
anyone to see, and shakyconviction that it's good to let
it out.
I could boss, I could probablyshy away from any comments about

(38:10):
this whiny part.
I don't know.
What do you think, Jim, whenyou hear all this stuff?

Speaker 00 (38:16):
I mean, it's all true, right?
I mean, we we all go throughthese moments of self-doubt and
of of questioning are we do weyou know, does this make any
sense?
Whether we have 30 or 300 or30,000 downloads.
You know, a lot of folks wishfor more downloads.
That comes with its own uhpressure and stress.
Right.
You know, you get you you startgetting, you know, anything

(38:39):
over 10,000 and you startgetting some really, I think you
start getting some reallyinteresting feedback from
people.
And then now you're listeningto your most engaged listeners
who sometimes are worse thanwhen you had nobody, you know,
or when you had a small, whenyou had a small audience.
They they take thingspersonally or they you know,

(39:01):
they give you advice that you'reyeah, I'm you're not gonna
follow.
I mean, I I had one this week,somebody in my podcast saying, I
really wish you'd do this.
And I'm like, well, Iappreciate that.
I appreciate the feedback.
I'm not gonna do it.

unknown (39:12):
Right.

Speaker 00 (39:12):
And if you you know, if you if you need to go,
because you know, there's alwaysit it's in some of the
feedback, there's always veiledthreats of leaving.
I'm gonna stop listening.
And you're like, okay.
I mean, stop listening becauseyou're not you I we've overshot
the target for you, apparently,at this point, right?
Right.
And and so, you know, ofcourse, as you pick up more

(39:33):
listeners, then you get more ofthose kinds of things.
I think that's and peoplestruggle with that just as much.
I mean, I've I've watched adozen, that's probably too many,
six YouTubers come and gobecause of their their audience.
I mean, they flat out said, I'mnot doing this anymore because
you guys are terrible.

(39:54):
You're terrible people, youwrite terrible things.
I don't need this, I don't needthe stress, you know.
I've also watched YouTuberscome on and then try to please
or talk to their audiencethrough their, you know, through
their their their their videoand say, oh, we got this comment
or I got that comment, youknow, some of these kinds of

(40:14):
things.
So be careful what you wish forfrom that standpoint.
But 30's 30's not bad.
If you love it, keep doing it.
If you don't like it, stop.
I mean, it's it's a fairlyeasy, you know, there's nothing
validating about having apodcast.
There's nothing that makes youbetter or worse than anybody if
you have one or you don't haveone.

(40:35):
If it's not working for you,just stop.
Give it, take a break.
Do something different, youknow.
Get it get away from it for awhile.
Uh, you don't have to have one.
You know, if you like doing itthough, I I always said when I
first started blogging, my veryfirst blog was like, look, I'm
gonna write this, and if nobodyreads it, it's okay.
Because I write it for me.

(40:55):
This is for this is for me.
This is to help me do somethings.
I still in the podcastingworld, these still are about I I
do this because I like doingit, you know.
We don't, you know, we don'task the podcast coach, it
doesn't have giant numbers, butit has enough.
It's got 40 people in the chatroom.
It's I get to hang out withyou.
That's enough for me, right?

(41:17):
So, anyways, everybody comes atthis from a different
motivation, and I think you justgotta check your motivation and
be like, why am I doing this?
Is it fulfilling it?
Do we need to stop it?
I mean, home gadget geeks willcome up on 15 years this
December.
15 years, Dave.
Wow, sometimes I'm like, do isthis should I stop?

(41:38):
I mean, I asked this questionabout what's a quarter, to be
honest.
Like, have I said enough?
Like, do I really want to, youknow?
In the last couple weeks, asI've really struggled with this
neck injury, I've had a hardtime with energy, right?
Okay, because you you startdoing things and then it starts
hurting.
And you're like, ah that wouldhave been a good time to swear,
by the way, right there where Iwas going, I could have dropped

(42:00):
the F word.
But you know, it it and maybethat's the emphasis people are
talking about.
But it is, you know, I I thinkit's it's a a good opportunity.
Listen, if you're notquestioning it, I don't even
want to say it that way.
I think it's okay.
Live in the struggle.
It's not bad to be it's not badto be in the struggle.

Speaker 01 (42:21):
All this time I didn't realize I I could have
been going.
That guy is driving me crazy.
Hey Jim, Mark.
Oh, wait, that's the wrongbutton.
Wait, stop.
No, we don't need so yeah, thisis uh Jeff C says podcasting
can be a lonely business.
That's why I do a live showfirst.
Having an audience that showsup each week is what keeps me
going.
Absolutely.

(42:42):
Maria says if you arefrustrated, then your listeners
were gonna hear it in yourvoice, take a break.
Yep.
It's if if it's not for you,you know, if it's not fun for
you, it's not gonna be fun forthem.
I always say, like, what's yourwhy?
Because if you don't get yourwhy, and also 30 people is a
really full classroom that couldbe, you know, watching Netflix

(43:05):
or whatever, you know, andthey're listening to now.
I realize, I forget how manyyears he said he'd been doing
it, but uh to me, he's doing thesame thing and expecting
different results.
And I'm like, yeah, that's I II don't, you know, I I in the
Reddit I comment, I'm like,look, if you did the same
interview that that person hashad over and over again, I go,

(43:26):
they're not gonna share itbecause their audience has heard
what was podcasting like in2005?
I've answered that questionmany, many times.
And my audience doesn't need tohear that answer anymore, so
I'm not gonna probably sharethat.
So it doesn't mean it's a badquestion, just means I'm not
gonna share it.
And instead look at interviewsas a way to grow your audience,

(43:46):
or not your audience, grow yournetwork.
You know, this is this issomething that got your foot in
the door to uh, you know, meetthis person.
So Ralph says, where did wecome up with the 10,000?
Why is that the magic number?
Mainly because it used to beback in the day, that was the
number that advertisers, someadvertisers wanted per episode,

(44:10):
by the way, not per month, perepisode to uh you know consider
you for sponsorship.
Stephanie says he needs therapyand a coach.
Yeah.
The other thing he said iseverybody.
A hug, really, yeah.

Speaker 00 (44:26):
A hug would be good too, yeah.

Speaker 01 (44:28):
Yeah.
So, you know, and get somefeedback from people that will
say, and also improv, I I get itthat I it's a skill I think
that podcasters need becausesometimes technology doesn't
work or whatever.
You need to be able to kind ofgo off the top of your head for
stuff.
But every time I see improv,I'm gonna say maybe 10%.

(44:54):
It actually makes me laugh.
And and the other times whenpeople laugh, it's because it's
weird and awkward.
And you it's kind of not a pitylaugh, but you're just like, I
don't know what I'm supposed todo here.
This is dumb.
You know, so I mean, I went toSecond City in Chicago.

(45:14):
That's where like in the earlydays, half of Saturday Night
Live would come from Second Cityin Chicago, and I was like, oh,
this is gonna be amazing.
And again, maybe 20%.
I just remember it was like,oh, that that was a look.
Because they'd be like, okay,give us some stuff.
They'd be like, banana, cape,air conditioner, Volvo.

(45:36):
And then they would somehowcome up with a skit that used
all those words, and you'relike, yep, that that uh that
used all the words, but it youknow, that's that's eight
minutes of my life.
I can't get back, you know.
So yeah, I I get improv, but II've yet to I rarely see it, you
know, unless you got somebodylike Jim Carrey.

(45:57):
That usually doesn't, you know,work.
Steph says I hate Steph says Ihate when people get mad at
guests for not sharing.
It's not their job.
It's nice when they do, but thewhole expectation I don't like.
I'm with you on that.
I've never expect my guests toshare it.
In fact, I when I interviewedJustin Moore about his book
Sponsor Magnet, I said, dude, Ihate to do this to you, but I'm

(46:20):
gonna walk you through yourgreatest hits because my
audience hasn't heard yourgreatest hits.
I said, So I'm not really gonnathis is gonna be one of those
interviews where it's you knowthe same old, you know, how do I
get well how how many downloadsdo I have to have to get a
sponsor and that kind of stuff?
So you were gonna saysomething, Mr.
Coach.

Speaker 00 (46:39):
Well, Dan Daniel said it in chat.
Uh whose line is it anyway?
Is it was a good show of ofimprov that was funny most of
the time.
They did a nice job.
The the key to that show is thelive audience, right?
You there's a reason comedianshave a warm-up comedian who come
on to well, one, to make theshow a little bit longer to so
people feel like they got theirvalue out of a very expensive

(47:01):
ticket, but but two, you know,getting the crowd kind of juiced
so that they're responding tostuff that on the surface, to be
honest, is not is not really, Imean, it is funny, but when you
get in a funny environment thatone thing leads to another,
unless you destroy the theatmosphere in the middle of it,

(47:24):
is a tactic to get people tolaugh, like get crowds laughing,
they'll continue to laugh,right?
And so it's it's you know, thethe the the key to that kind of
improv is the crowd.
I doing improv without a crowd,ooh, that's a special skill.
Yeah, because you don't know ifit's working.
Yeah, you and I have maybe onefunny moment a month in doing

(47:48):
this show, right?
Every once in a while, even ablind squirrel finds a nut, and
we find a funny improv moment inwhat we're doing here, but
that's not what we're shootingfor, right?
If I I would that would be,man, I doing an improv in a
podcast with no audience.
So you can't gauge how funnyyou are.
That's the that's the wholepoint of improv in a lot of

(48:09):
ways, is gauging the funniness,and you can the the crowd, the
energy of the crowd can oftenlead to even more funny moments,
right?
I just don't know how you do, Idon't know how you do improv
without a crowd.
I'm I'm sure there's somepeople very skilled and able.
That's not me for sure.

Speaker 01 (48:28):
When I spoke, and I'm speaking next year at the
National Religious Broadcasters,and a lot of great people
there, I made some great friendsthere.
But when I'm on stage, they'renot looking for the funny.
They I I could tell like aboutsix slides in, I'm like, here's
something, and I just threwsomething out.
I'm like, this should make themsmile.
And it was just like these likejust the facts, please.

(48:51):
And I was like, okay.
And I just, you know, but ifyou don't have a live crowd, how
do you know if it's working ornot?
And that may be somethingthat's going on there.

unknown (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 01 (49:01):
We were talking earlier when we were talking
about swearing the words.
Oh, like I'm gonna pronouncethese.
Bahrain, Belarus, Brunei, DaraSalam.
See, I this is a fun thing.
Burkina, Faso, Chad, Egypt,India, Jordan, Lebanon, Nepal,
Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,Tunisia, United Arab Emirates,

(49:23):
Uzbekistan.
That was the one.
That almost sounds like a swearword.
Ah, Uzbekistan and Yemen.
And he said, that's from mytext expander list.
Uh and I think at least one ofthose might have changed their
content.
So thank you, Daniel, for that.
I know so again, if you ifyou're really trying to build up
your Middle East audience,maybe now is not the time, you

(49:46):
know, to uh make explicitcontent.
Or just just know ahead oftime.
Yeah, that's it.
Maria says, Are they laughingwith you or at you?
Yeah, and it's hard to tell ifit's not love.

Speaker 00 (49:59):
In some cases, it's okay if it's either, right?
You know, in in a lot of times,self-deprecating humor, you
want them to laugh at you,right?
I mean, that's that's that'skind of the point that that of
that uh of that style of hu ofuh of uh comedy.
So yeah, for sure.

Speaker 01 (50:17):
Yeah.
Always fun.
We did have another question.
Did you see John Jamingo'squestion earlier?

Speaker 00 (50:23):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 01 (50:24):
How should someone handle a co-host who low talks
under the other host?
It sounds like an episode ofSeinfeld.
I don't know whether that's aproblem.
I don't know what you'resaying.
Even after it has been broughtup to that attention.
This is one of the things why Iused to hate I I I definitely
want to be a worker be.
I don't want to be a manager,is when you tell someone, yeah,

(50:48):
see this thing.
Here's how you do it, this iswhy you're not supposed to do it
this way, and then they do itagain.
And you go, Yeah, I don't knowif you noticed, but remember
that thing and I showed you howto do it, you you you did it
again, because like they're notgonna change.
There's two things.
Either A, they don't seethemselves doing it, or B, they
don't care.

(51:09):
And the second one, especially,if they just don't care, now
you're now you have a wholeother problem of like, do we
keep this person?
Because they're not on theteam.
But I mean, there's just gottaif you could make a clip, I
would make a clip and just, youknow, go to the person and go,
hey, I know we mentioned this toyou, and this may be something

(51:30):
that you just don't realizeyou're doing.
So here's a quick clip.
See how you're talking underthe the host here, and it just
it makes an editing nightmarebecause I have to edit you out,
and then I can't because blah,blah, blah.
So you just you justunfortunately gotta hold up a
mirror and go, here's what wewere talking about.
I don't know, Jim.
You have any thoughts of it.

Speaker 00 (51:49):
Yeah, I agree with you.
You just gotta you gotta comeout and just say, hey, this
isn't working.
You know, especially if you'vetalked about it.
Uh, this is in most cases ofconflict like this, it doesn't
get talked about.
And it just gets to a point, itgets more and more frustrating
and more, and then there's ablow-up.
That's usually becauseconflict, I mean, conflict's
hard.

(52:10):
It's hard to do.
And most people don't reallylike to confront it.
I mean, it's kind of whatseparates good managers from bad
managers, right?
Is good managers are able toconfront it in a way that can
not always, but can promotegrowth or see opportunities in
it and say, yeah, this isn'treally working.
I've worked for some reallygood managers who said things to
me like, yeah, don't do thatagain.

(52:32):
You know, did you do that?
And I'm like, Yeah, I did it.
And they're like, Yeah, don'tdo that again.
That yeah, this is not whatwe're looking for, right?
And oh, okay.
I I get it, I hear you, right?
You gotta kind of come out.
But, you know, also peopledon't respond to criticism very
well sometimes.
And then they start gettingdefensive and it turns into a
shouting match or whatever.
So it's a hard thing to do.

(52:52):
I I think if it's a disruption,if it's been addressed, you
gotta let them go.
You just gotta say, you knowwhat, we're moving in a
different direction.
We're kind of done here.
I've I've had to do that.
And you know, then I get thebut I don't want to move on.
And I'm like, yeah, but I'mthat's I'm asking you to.
And so you need, and that's notalways clean, right?
That that part of movingsomeone on is not always clean.

(53:16):
It's listen, it's great if youcan get them to see that and
they move on themselves.
That's always a nice, that'salways kind of a nice way to get
some things like that, hey,this isn't really working out,
like uh this is not matchingwhat we're trying to do here.
And if they can say, yeah, it'snot, I understand.
I'm gonna, I'll go do somethingdifferent, that's the perfect

(53:39):
kind of scenario.
Doesn't happen very oftenbecause oftentimes people have
their ego in it, and so they'relike, How dare you fire me, you
know, kind of thing.
Yeah.
But the easiest, the the in thelong run, the easiest thing to
do is say, let's do somethingdifferent.
Like, this isn't gonna work forme.
I'm gonna we're gonna go adifferent direction.

(54:00):
The other thing is don't don'ttry to don't don't try to soften
the blow too much where you'reyou're you're not exactly clear.
This is the end.
Like be really, I mean, just betruthful and honest and clear.
Like, we're having aconversation, and this is the
last time you're gonna be on theshow.
I just want to be really clearabout that because leaving that

(54:23):
like sometimes we're like, ohwell, maybe in the future
this'll things will magicallychange that haven't changed in
the last six months we've beendoing this, and you know, that
because it because it makes youfeel better about you know,
bringing the bad news to it,just be super clear.
It's easier just to cut and belike, Yeah, we're done.
We're done doing this.

(54:44):
Don't be mean about it, ofcourse, but just be really
clear.
Like, yeah, we're not goingthat direction anymore.
It they're not how they respondto it, most of the time it's
gonna be bad.
And you're just gonna that'spart of leading people.
It's part of leading people,friends.
That's not everybody's designedto be a leader.

Speaker 01 (55:03):
No, and it's I I just had to do this at my
church.
I'm kind of on the theleadership team, and we have,
and she's the sweetest, dearestolder woman who occasionally
after the pastor gets done doingthe sermon, will stand up and
chime in on it.
And we're like, and it'sliterally five minutes from the

(55:26):
end of the service.
We're gonna sing a song and getout of here.
Like, and we we kind ofpolitely said, you know, you
it's you know, if you had justwaited five minutes, you could
have told the pastor that afterthe song, and it kind of
interrupts the flow, and youknow, please don't do that.
And then they talk to her againand said, Hey, you know, you
did that again.
And that's not really the timefor so they're finally like,

(55:47):
hey, can you like maybe she'lllisten because you're a dude.
Maybe, you know.
So I just went to her, I said,Hey, that thing you just did.
I said, I, you know, that's aninteresting point.
I go, but it's it's bad timing.
And I go, you you're you'repulling the trigger about five
minutes too soon.
I said, you could have told thepastor that after that.
And I said, I just want to makethis as clear as possible.
I go, don't ever do that again.

(56:08):
And she's like, Oh, I'm sorry.
And I'm like, okay, I just Ijust want to make sure you're
aware.
Don't ever do that again.
And she's like, okay.
And later she's like, well,because my church is the only
place where people call me Davybecause no, that's not gonna
fly.
And she's like, well, Davyyelled at me.
I go, no, Davy, Davy.
And what I did, I found areally because I didn't want to

(56:29):
pull her into a room alone,because you never want to be in
a room with a female alone,because now it's her word
against mine.
So I did it to where peoplecouldn't hear me, but people
could see me.
And I was like, don't do thatagain.
And it was awkward.
It was somewhat awkward seeingher the next week, and I just
pretended like it neverhappened, you know.
But we'll see what happens.

(56:49):
SP has a great idea, and I'msure maybe John's doing this.
Have it multi-tracked so youcan just mute that person, you
know, fix it with technology.
That's the problem.
And if it's not, then you'relike stuck.
And speaking of improv, Richsays Improv for Humans with Matt
Besser is still going afterhundreds of episodes, it's hard

(57:11):
to listen to.
So, you know, it's uh it's gotan audience there somewhere, who
knows?

Speaker 00 (57:17):
But maybe not, or maybe not, you know.
Maybe the person just reallylikes creating, you know, that's
that's their creation, andmaybe it's not designed for
everybody, you know.
So there's that there's a lotto self-fulfillment in the in
this space that I thinksometimes we're looking for
something, you know, we'relooking for something that's not

(57:40):
possible out of this, and thisis why they the two never line
up, because what you're lookingfor, it's not possible in what
you're doing.
And so you have to kind of Ihave to have this realistic,
this is a you know, we we talkedabout you know conflict with
within a team, but withyourself, I think you have to
have that kind of conversationthat says, Hey, is what I'm

(58:01):
doing ever have the possibilityof what I'm looking for?
And I think for some people theanswer is no in that.
And you then you have to say, Ishould probably stop doing
this.
If that's if that's what ifthat's what you gotta let that
go.
Just be like, yeah, this isnever gonna happen this way.
Or the odds are so small, I'mgonna go invest my time in

(58:23):
something else that it does havethe possibility or gives me
greater fulfillment, or youknow, whatever whatever you're
looking for in that.
So I think in some cases, youknow, podcasting is is
interesting because it has thepotential for a lot of public
validation of who you are, butnot everybody's gonna get it
that way.
You just you know, and if 50'snot enough, a hundred may not be

(58:47):
enough, and maybe a thousand'snot enough.
And then, like, so you have toat some point you have to have
this realistic conversation withyourself.
It's what am I looking for inthis thing?

Speaker 01 (58:56):
See, and I I think that's why so many people are
like, I need to get a sponsor.
Not because they need themoney, but that might be the
badge of officialness, like, oh,I've got a sponsor, I'm now
official podcast.
I wonder sometimes becauselike, no, that that you're
you're legit the minute you hitpublish.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you're you areofficially podcasting now.

(59:18):
Like, so I don't know.
SB says I just hired twoemployees in both cases.
The question about how theyhandled conflict literally
decided the competition of whoto hire.
You need to address theconflict head on.
So he totally agrees with you,Jim.
Yeah, it's one of those things.

Speaker 00 (59:34):
The sooner the better, by the way.
The sooner the better on someof these things.
Do not if you if you're likequestioning it, it's too late.
You kind of need to handle thisthing early and button this
thing up and set theexpectations.
By the way, from a co hoststandpoint, the best time to set
the expectations is before youstart recording.

(59:55):
Like Dave and I didn't do this,we just we we listen.
We didn't start thinking thiswould be a podcast.
We just kind of thought we'lljust get together and hang out.
Like it was fun, right?
We just loved hanging outtogether.
So it was one of thosesituations where we kind of fell
into it.
If we, if the chemistry hadn'tbeen there, if we didn't like
each other, if I wasn't what youwere looking for, within three

(01:00:16):
or four weeks, you would havejust stopped inviting me.
Like, you know, you'd be like,hey, you want to come in?
Or you would have shown up at adifferent time, or you would
have done things differently,right?

Speaker 01 (01:00:25):
But then it's now Tuesdays at six.
What?
Oh, I forgot to tell you.
So sorry.

Speaker 00 (01:00:29):
Yeah, for me, it'll be Thursdays at eight when I'm
recording home gadget.
So sorry.
Yeah.
Sorry.
That's the way to get about it.
But it's the only time it'llwork for me.
Yeah.
With new co-hosts, the the keyto it is to set the expectations
as early as you can and almostoverset them in some ways.
Just be almost be too clear.

(01:00:50):
You can always back away.
It's always like teachers, youknow, that that the first month
of school, they need to beabsolute crazy authoritarians.
Yeah.
Because if they're not, theclass gets away from them,
right?
Oh I think sometimes in theserelationships, we need to have
that same like we're beingreally, really clear.
I know we want to be buddies,but let's be really, really

(01:01:11):
clear here how this is going towork so that we don't step on
each other's toes or we don'thave misunderstandings.
It will then ease intosomething that's good once the
expectations are clear.

unknown (01:01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 01 (01:01:23):
And John says, Oh man, this is a bummer.
You can't mute them when you'relive streaming.
No, no, you can't.
Although you may want to.
As we know.
Yes.
That's tricky.
Yeah, it's I'm with you.
You just got, I mean, back whenI was teaching, and there was a
whole like, here's what we'regoing to cover today, and here's
how we're going to coverbreaks.

(01:01:44):
And I would tell people, andbefore I went on break, I would
put this big timer that said 15and then would count down to
zero.
I go, when that gets to zero,we're starting back up.
If you're not in here, we'renot waiting for you.
And no, I will not go back andget you caught up.
I will get you in on the nextlesson.
Please be back.
It's 15 minutes.
That's plenty of time to go tothe bathroom and make a quick
phone call.
And I would come back andsomebody would be late, and they

(01:02:07):
would come in and say, Is thereany chance?
And I'm like, nope, I'll getyou in on the next lesson.
In the meantime, just watch.
And nobody was ever late thesecond time.
They it's like, hey, this Itold you this is what I'm going
to do, and I'm going to do whatI said I was going to do.
And so, you know, that's alwaysand and you know, they just
people I think like to pushpeople sometimes.
They're like, oh, it's no bigdeal.

(01:02:28):
So yeah.
Well, it's tricky.

Speaker 00 (01:02:32):
Sometimes we think we're for everybody, and we're
just not.
You know, you just gotta knowthis is the know your audience.
Like, hey, know who you arefor, know where the sweet spot
is in your personality and whatyou do.
And and you know, I've as acommunity manager, I have to
make some really hard anddifficult decisions on how

(01:02:52):
people interact with a verylarge community.
I mean, we have we have somebig communities, so I have to
and those decisions aresometimes hard because people
want to come in and they'll postsomething that and I'm gonna
say that's inappropriate, andthat doesn't mean it's bad.
It's just not the right topic,or it's not the right
conversation to be had, or it'snot, and I have to deny it.
You know, like, no, we're notgonna have this conversation in

(01:03:13):
there.
And I've I mean, I've talkedabout losing friends.
I've lost some friends over uhat some point saying, yeah, no,
that's not good for the many.
Might be good for the one.
It's not good for the many inthis case.
There's an old Star Trekreference for you.
And so, you know, you you youhave to I've and there's people

(01:03:33):
who are like, I don't I'm nevergonna talk to you again.
I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm doingmy job.
That's the hard that's the hardpart of this, is you can't, you
know, you can't please.
This goes back to the biggeryour audiences, the harder that
gets because your audiencestarts, you start attracting the
fringe, right?
The the the folks way out onthe edge, and those are the
hardest ones to please.

(01:03:53):
You know, they're just like,oh, why can't you do why can't
you be like Joe Rogan?
Because I'm not Joe Rogan.
Well, if you just did it likeHoward Stern, I'm not Howard
Stern.
Yeah, you know, that's notthat's not me.
If if you if you like them, golisten to them.
There's another idea.
They are them, by the way.

Speaker 01 (01:04:12):
They are them.
Jeff C says for me, havingmultiple co-hosts I can call on
uh has been the best.
Plus, it keeps thingsinteresting for the audience.
Jeff is an amazing moderator.
He's good.
That's the style there is, youknow, he brings up a topic, then
he'll throw it to somebodyelse, they'll do their little

(01:04:33):
thing, and if he wants it tothrow somebody else, he can't,
or he just brings up a newtopic, but it's and it's not
even done in a choppy way, likeJeff will talk, then you know,
Jim will talk, and then it'sit's just it flows super nice.
And it's it's one of thosethings you can kind of just say
before you hit record, hey, I'llyou know, if when I want you to

(01:04:54):
talk, it sounds like yourparents do not spoke until being
spoken to, but it's kind ofthat thing, or it just he just
sets a nice pace, it's just it'sit's awesome.

Speaker 00 (01:05:04):
So he's a nice dude, like he's a super nice dude.
That's it comes off.
I was on a show, I don't know,last year, and just from the
beginning to end, it's justsuper pro.
He's a super nice guy, very,very, very well spoken.
And to to your point, sets agood expectation for hey, here's

(01:05:24):
what we're doing here.
You know, this is kind of andit wasn't long and lengthy and
filled with rules, but Iremember talking to him and and
he was like, Yeah, this is thisis kind of what we're trying to
do here.
And that's setting theexpectations for you know,
setting the expectations for it.
He it he does give, I mean,that would be a good example to

(01:05:44):
follow on someone because hedoes get a lot of different
guests in of Jeff's got a goodsetup to make sure he gets the
best out of the guest.
And I'm sure not all guestshave been great, but maybe
including me, but it he he doesa nice job of setting it up.

Speaker 01 (01:05:59):
Well, the the other thing, of course, you know, it
it's so obvious that we neversay it, and of course, that is
the best beard in podcasting.
I mean, Jeff C.
For sure.
Nobody even comes close.
It's outstanding.
You know, it's in fact, wemight even say his beard is
awesome.

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And I think I have oh wait, Isaw a question come in as we
were doing that.
Let me scroll back.
I thought I saw somebody hadsomething about an app or

(01:09:18):
something.
Here we go.
Anyone know any good apps tocreate short audio clips of my
audio file?
Boy, that's a fun one.
Because I know I at first Ithought he was gonna say video
clips of my audio file.
I know descript can.
Because they do the clippything.

Speaker 00 (01:09:40):
Isn't YouTube doing clips now too?
Like you could you could use II know that's video, but I think
they're doing some automatedclips too.
I would think boy, uh justabout any of the services that
you know you're using forhosting would have the ability
to go in and pull some of thoseclips out.

(01:10:00):
I get I get uh do you get theseemails every week from people
who find your YouTube video andthey're like, you're not
monetizing these kids.
Yeah, oh man.
You know, multiple.
I would think yeah, I wouldthink a headliner, yeah.
Yeah, headliner would be a goodone.
Headliner would be a good oneto try.
This is one of those areas theyall have kind of free services.

(01:10:21):
See how that goes from uh uhfrom that standpoint.
I most of the AI services aredoing these now, so it's a good
it's a good I'm not a big Idon't uh I should do it more.
I just don't I don't like Idon't like my show shortened
clips.
So I just don't do it.

Speaker 01 (01:10:40):
Well there's there's two things for that.
One is does it work?
And yeah, it I think it keepsyour brand in front of people.

Speaker 00 (01:10:51):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 01 (01:10:52):
You know, it's it's I mean, if we look at Taylor
Swift, she did that as a previewto her album, which is
estimated that she's gonna earnanother 40 million last night
from she had some sort ofrelease party or something that
was in theaters.
I'm like, it must be nice to onone hand, you go, it must be
nice to be that famous, but onthe other hand, uh she spends a

(01:11:13):
lot on security and making surepeople her life is not her own,
right?

Speaker 00 (01:11:16):
Yeah, you know, it is not her own.
Um she seems to be handling itpretty well.
So hopefully in the futurehere.
I mean, this didn't end wellfor many celebrities like a
Michael Jackson or you know, youknow, like Paul McCartney's
handling it.
I mean, here here talk about aguy that was been giantly
popular and who's handled it allthe way into old age.
Paul McCartney's doing a nicejob of that.

(01:11:38):
Yeah.
Somebody check those out.
I don't I don't know if I haveone.
There's some stuff in the chatroom about services to do.
Check with your host provider,that would be another one to
look at.
I'd run them through, I'd do agood test.
The AI has gotten better on alot of these things, and and so
now maybe a good time to testout a few to see how they

(01:12:00):
generate those for you.
My Dave, my experiences withthose were always because I do,
you know, spontaneous content,it was hard for it to grab the
clips that were good.
You know, you listen to themand you'd be like, oh, okay, you
know, that's kinda okay.
The you you if you're creatingaudio and you have a transcript,

(01:12:24):
you can always feed thattranscript into ChatGPT or you
know, Copilot or whatever, Grokand say, uh pull out for me the
the you know the the five bestquotes and with the timestamps.
And that's an easy way to turnthen you go back to the audio

(01:12:45):
and cut it yourself.
That'd be a way to do it aswell.
This isn't one I I think theseclips, uh yeah, the automation
helps, but uh I would definitelydo them make sure you're
listening to that section beforeit cuts it out to make sure it
gets a full it gets a fullthing.

Speaker 01 (01:13:03):
Yeah.
Create art podcasts said uhwhat's the mascot for the school
of podcasting, a flaming blueyeti.
No, that's the mascot forpodcast hot seat.
That is the mascot done by theone and only Mark from
Podcastbranding.co, because Isaid, hey, I want a I want a
school crest and then, you know,kind of a thing.
And so that's you can seethere's a little plug, and then

(01:13:25):
you got a microphone andheadphones and some sort of
mixer, and then the plan,launch, and grow.
And so that is another exampleof that.
And then I think I have I don'tknow if I have it in this
folder, but I have one that'ssquare as well.
So that's that.
And I'm actually ponderingrebranding podcast hot seats
again, which was a rebrand ofthe podcast rodeo show.

(01:13:50):
I think hot seat might seem alittle I don't know.
Uh we're I'm I'm I'm ponderingsome things, so we shall see.
But I'm also coming to theconclusion that maybe people
just don't want feedback.
They'd rather just, you know.

Speaker 00 (01:14:03):
It's hard.
I wouldn't let you do that tohome gadget geeks.
You you'd think I would be thelike, oh yeah, Dave, do this.
No, I duh.
You know, I don't I don't knowif I want my show compared that
way to industry standards orwhat your feelings are.
It may break us up.
Well, you could break up the Imean I could break up the band.
F you.

(01:14:23):
Yes.
Take off that Van Halen t-shirtbefore it breaks up the band.
So you definitely don't, youknow, I'm scared of it for sure.

Speaker 01 (01:14:33):
Randy says, I miss the podcast rodeo show.
Well, it's there for you tolisten, but there aren't any new
episodes.
But and that one is stillthere.
It's just, I'm like, I'm notdoing that for free anymore.
And it's only five bucks.
That's all there's things.
That one is five bucks.
I'm like, come on.
But that's one where probablythe price is so low people go,
well, this can't be any good.
Otherwise, you'd be chargingmore than five bucks.

(01:14:54):
So I'm like, okay, here it is.
It's, you know, and I'll I'lldo your website and this and
I'll listen to the whole thing.
Yeah.
So speaking of the clips, DanLefebvre says that's what I do
now.
The services ended up beingmore work to fix their clips.
So I just have a template and Ihave AI recommend time codes.
Yeah, I I here's the thing.

(01:15:14):
I there's an episode coming outof your podcast consultant,
which is Dave playing with shortpodcasts, because I wanted to
see if maybe making a short showwould make it popular.
And the answer is no, it doesnot.
Nobody cares what the lengthis, they care about the value.
But I'm talking about I I usedan AI tool to write show notes,

(01:15:35):
and there were seven words.
Some of them, not only would Inever say, I didn't know what
they meant.
And I know people are gonna go,oh, it's it's the prompt.
And that's kind of true.
But this this had blog posts ofmine that it used to kind of,
you know, it wasn't a horribleprompt.
And I was just like, you know,I I don't think I'm gonna have

(01:15:58):
AI do my show notes for for someof my shows because I can think
and I can type.
So it's not really solving ahuge problem for me and the time
I'm taking to fix the shownotes that come out.
I could have just written thewhole thing myself and then it
it would sound like me becauseit was me.

(01:16:19):
Now, if I need images, oh, I Ican do like I make very meh
stuff in Canva.
And I've seen some amazingartwork from Canvas.
So for me, I think we should beusing AI to do the things that
we're not good at.
But this is one I was justlike, you know, I've noticed I'm

(01:16:41):
always coming in here and theylove to go spoiler alert.
That's another one.
That's like it just seems likeevery AI thing has spoiler
alert.
It does, you know, and then I'mjust by the time I tweak it,
I'm like, I could have justwritten this myself.
Because most of my show notesaren't that long.
I'll I'll write something alonger blog post, but that was

(01:17:02):
one that I just like.
I I think I'm done with AI shownotes.
I I love the fact that likewith Captivate, it finds any
links that we mentioned,especially on a show like this.
But, you know, and Buzzproutdoes a pretty good job.
Daniel's new tool, by the way,podchapters.com, is the only
thing I've seen come remotelyclose to like on this show, Ask

(01:17:25):
the Podcast Coach will break anyAI tool because it just can't
figure out what the heck we'retalking about because we change
the subject every 15 minutes.
So it's just like, what?
And so, but Daniel's AI tooldoes a really good job of coming
up with the chapters.
So if you're a person on Libsonor Red Circle, because I know

(01:17:48):
Blueberry and Captivate and BuzzSprout have chapters.
I don't play with Podbeananymore, and I'm not sure what
transistor does.

Speaker 00 (01:17:57):
Transistor is usually pretty so Auphonic does
a pretty good job on chapters,doesn't it?
That's I use it, I use it forthat.
And it to be honest, I haven'taudited the chapters to know,
but I think Aphonic does somechaptering as well by timestamp.
That's how that's how thechapters are being done, right?

(01:18:18):
By timestamp?
Well, they're breaking themdown by time.

Speaker 01 (01:18:23):
I think it's yeah, and I it somehow knows when you
change the subject.

Speaker 00 (01:18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 01 (01:18:27):
And then it'll put a you know, it'll figure out
where that is, and then look.

Speaker 00 (01:18:31):
I'll have to look more carefully.
I it you know, I I have it doit.
YouTube picks those upautomatically if you put them in
the description.
And so I've been Authonicpushes those over there.
I grab a version of them andput them in my show notes.
I've been for my show notes, Idon't what I've been doing is
having it transcribed byAuphonic and then taking that
transcription over to Chat GPTand say, read this

(01:18:56):
transcription, and then I'llgrab the notes from Otter and
I'll grab the notes.
There's some a long and shortdescription and Auphonic.
I'll bring those over and putthem in.
I'll dialogue then a little bitwith with ChatGPT on the show
and get some ideas for it and dosome things, see what it's
thinking about the show, andthen I'll have it produce some

(01:19:17):
show notes for me on on areas.
Like I'm not, I won't just copyand paste everything.
I'll be like, give me somefeedback on this area or what
what what AI really likes now,AI search likes now are FAQs.
So I'll have I'll say, hey,create an create an FAQ about
this episode for me that I canput in the show notes.

(01:19:39):
So it's it does a pretty nicejob of putting together question
and answer for for that kind ofsetting.
So it's a little bit more I'mnot it I'm not just letting it
create the show notes for me.
I'm dialoguing with it andcreating a unique set of show
notes, but it's definitelyaugmenting and doing things for
me, like you mentioned, Dave.

(01:20:00):
It does things for me that Iwould not I'd have to spend half
an hour, 45 minutes creating myown FAQ.
You know, well, I it I don'tneed to do that.
It's good at that, you know?
Like create an FAQ that youwould like to see so that you'll
use it again.
And it does a pretty nice jobof that.
So there's you know, there's alot of the services that are

(01:20:21):
doing just you know, carte blancshow notes for you.
That's not bad.
I would interact with them alittle bit and and you know,
make sure it's set up in a waythat you like it.
I'm pretty proud of my shownotes now.
I those are one of those thingsI look at, I'm like, these are
pretty actually these are kindof helpful.
They used to just be crap, andnow they're kind of helpful.
So I'm I'm pretty proud of myshow notes.

Speaker 01 (01:20:42):
There you go.
And Randy says, if you if Iinclude chapters in my MP3 file,
Pod Home will import those andcreate podcasting 2.0 chapters.
And Daniel says, Yep, severalothers do that.
I know Captivate does, butDaniel points out they import
only the titles and not theimages or the links, which is a

(01:21:02):
bummer.
Because I know BuzzSprout doeswhen you upload if you make your
own chapters and like inHindenburg is what I do, then I
can just upload it and they takeeverything I've put in there
and put it into BuzzSprout,which is cool.
Yeah.
Libson still doesn't get the uhwhole avoidance of so much of
the podcasting namespace.
Libson's having a bad week.

(01:21:23):
There, it's not the end of theworld, but your feed only shows
the last hundred episodes.
And there are a lot of peopleon Libson that have been there
from the early days, and I don'tknow what's going on over
there.
I do know uh I was reallysurprised to hear the a guy I
considered Mr.
Libsen when I was there.
Greg was the lead developer,and he is no longer with the

(01:21:46):
company, and I was like, that'snot good.
So I don't know what's goingon.
I love the people over there.
I just I don't know what'sgoing on because that's I mean,
the good news is I'll beinterested to hear, because like
this show, I don't know whatwe're on, five something,
whatever.
So if all of a sudden, youknow, we know that the back

(01:22:06):
catalog doesn't download a ton.
It's you know, there's that youget the big spike the first
week and then it slowly trailsoff, and then it's only the the
people that have followed theshow and that you know they go
back and cherry pick in theirapp because that's the only way
really you can see them.
And so now those aren't goingto be there.
I was like, hmm, because that Iwould be interested to see what

(01:22:30):
percentage of your downloadsare not there because people
can't see your stuff.
So yeah, so I'm not sure what'sgoing up.
Yeah, Daniel says the last 100episode thing is going to really
hurt when they fix it becausedropping the feed limit and then
raising again could cause a lotof readowns loads of old
episodes, but not an Apple now.
So yeah, it'll be interesting.

(01:22:51):
And you know, again, I love thepeople at Libs and I'm just not
sure what's happening overthere.
But when I heard that, I waslike, ooh, you're like you're a
media host, and what makes apodcast is your feed.
And to have a problem with thefeed, I was like, come on, guys,
you're killing me over here.
I still got a show.
Building a better Dave is stillon Libsyn.
Everything else is on eitherCaptivate or Buzzsprout.

(01:23:13):
So and I have a couple on RedCircle just for giggles.
But at any rate, Jim, my guessis you're taking a week off from
uh home gadget gates.

Speaker 00 (01:23:22):
I took last week off.
Well, we weren't here two weeksago, so I did a podcast like
this, slouched.
But thanks for letting meslouch the whole podcast.
It felt a lot better.
But um Christian Johnson, uh,he was uh early podcaster with
me, is back.
Also, he's our Maple GrovePartners guy.
Yeah.
Um, and does in those hosting.
He joined me.
He's coming, he's his opinionof crypto has changed.

(01:23:45):
He was uh anti, not I want tosay anti-crypto, but not
definitely uh asked a lot ofquestions around it, which has
been good, but he's comingaround a little bit.
So we cat we catch up withChristian.
If you've been a home gadgetgeeks guy, you'll you'll enjoy
the episode.
It's been out for a week.
Check it out right now,homegadgetge.com.

Speaker 01 (01:24:04):
There you go.
Yeah, Christian is a great guy.
I had him do some stuff.
I have, in fact, I might havehim do, I think I'm gonna start,
it didn't show it today.
I think I'm gonna startpointing people because I have a
pod page for the school ofpodcasting, and I might change
my episode link.
Right now, I have the episodeson the school of podcasting, but
they just look so much betteron pod page.

(01:24:26):
And I went over to WordPressand typed in Ozzy and hit
search, and it showed me onWordPress an episode about Joe
Rogan.
And I'm like, that's funnybecause the word Ozzy is in the
title of the episode I waslooking for.
I went to Podpage, typed inAussie, and it was like, here
you go.
And I was like, hmm, I might,it looks better.

(01:24:48):
So I might in the future, whenyou click on episodes, you might
notice that you're going to apod page.
That's one of those when I getfree time, I'm going to update
that.
But on the school ofpodcasting, we are talking about
podcast best practices becausewe kind of got some people at
that conference that are like,ah, best practices, smash
dresses, like nah, oldcurmudgeons.

(01:25:11):
And I'm like, uh, there's areason they're called best
practices.
So that's what's coming up.
Uh, we will see you next weekwith another episode of Ask the
Podcast Coach.

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