'Finding Nemo' with Brenda Swirczynski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller

In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive deep (pun intended) into Finding Nemo - the animated adventure that’s equal parts heartwarming, hilarious, and insightful. As part of our series on school-related films, we explore what this Pixar classic can tell us about the student experience, the importance of trust and independence, and how schools can support every kind of learner on their journey.

Joining host Kevin Stoller is co-host Carla Cummins and special guest Brenda Swirczynski from Pfluger Architects, bringing both educational and design perspectives to the table. Together, they unpack the film’s themes of overprotection, resilience, and growth — and how those same challenges show up in real-world school environments.

From Marlin’s struggle to let go, to Nemo’s need to prove himself, the conversation begins to ask: What can educators, school leaders, and architects learn from this undersea tale? How can schools create environments where students feel safe to explore, fail, and thrive?

 

Takeaways:

• Marlin’s instinct to shield Nemo from danger mirrors how schools and parents can sometimes overcorrect in the name of safety.
• Just as Nemo’s “lucky fin” made him different — but not less capable — the conversation highlights the importance of designing spaces and systems that accommodate a wide range of learners, abilities, and personalities.
• From Dory’s unorthodox support to the Tank Gang’s teamwork, the film underscores the power of collaboration — a theme echoed in the episode’s discussion around how architects, educators, and designers must work together to build student-centered spaces.

 

About Brenda Swirczynski

Brenda is a lifelong educator with experience in a variety of educational applications. As a classroom teacher, outdoor educator, and university instructor, she has had the privilege to collaborate with varied audiences on multi-disciplinary projects. Brenda possesses expertise in designing curricula, inquiry-based learning, and educational experiences for audiences with diverse backgrounds.

 

Brenda received her Bachelor’s degree in Education and Master’s in Environmental Science from the University of North Texas. She is a graduate of Cohort 9 of the Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) Advanced Academy, earning her Learning Environment Planner (ALEP) accreditation. She continues her design work with individuals who are equally passionate about supporting educators and their students as the Educational Facilit