December 30, 2024 • 63 mins
China bans the export of the metals we've been discussing. We've been expecting this for quite some time. Question is: how do we work though this. They smoke the Alec Bradley Coyo and drink Wheel Horse 101 to make themselves feel better.
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Welcome to our newest episode today. We have the Alec Bradley
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coil and with it wheel horse 101 wheel horse
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars liquor and more
All right, well the Alec Bradley we have the
Coil is a 5 by 52 and has a Honduran wrapper
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Honduran and Nicaraguan binder and fillers as an MSRP of $9
The wheel horse 101 is obviously bottled at 101 is a Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey with an H statement of four years old
Oh, they want you to know it too. It's on the front. It's on the back
And I miss our p of 32 dollars. So fairly affordable. Yeah
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101 and 101
so
Alrighty
Let's let this settle in get a nose of some let's go with Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey
Yeah, it's got that nose little vanilla and that little twang that always is Kentucky bourbon whiskey
Yeah, it's Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. So
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Maybe I'm being flippant, but a lot of them do taste a lot alike. So
This one I wonder
How close you think it is to
Others like which one would you say it's closest to what he was it remind you the most of?
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It was given another sip
Because it feels like I know this one
And actually I don't know I don't know if they are their own
entity or not
So I can tell you who it reminds me of
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wheelhorse is crafted and matured at Green River distilling in
Owensboro, Kentucky as the tenth oldest permitted distillers
In the state Green River has a rich history that dates back to the late 1800s
I like how they specify permitted
Right, I mean you should because none of the others documented our sour mash bourbon is distilled in copper stills and aged
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in 53 gallon new chart well, of course is new chart out there for four years
That's a great made from a mash bill of 70% corn
21% rye and 9% multibarly bottled at 101 proof
9 chill filtered so I love that they give us the mash bill
I love that it's a copper still and
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It's it's familiar. Yeah, you want you want to hear what I what I get out of it. Yes like a
Little bit sweeter old number seven
Really? Yeah, so when I tasted it not not the aroma
But when I tasted it, that's what it reminded me of almost instantly
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So I'll give you has a nutty component, which is what I get mostly out of Jack
It's not as dark as Jack
It looks much more like your standard, but of course, it's probably not been put through to charcoal filtration, right?
but I
think that
Yeah, that's probably not a bad assessment now. I want to pivot
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But it is it's almost like a little bit of a sweeter number seven
It is sweeter. I was happy nutty when you said when you said sour mash
Hmm. I had to smile because that's what number seven is
It's a bourbon number seven and
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The basic flavor profile to be says number seven
You know, I think I have to agree with you now because I was not thinking that way
What were you thinking before?
Not a four roses. No my thought I I kind of want to go your way now because I didn't get the nutty right away
It came on the second sip, but it reminds me of wild turkey
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101 but you're right while turkey doesn't have the nutty component this has yes
So yeah, there you have to pivot dare you say nutmeg?
No, not 90 like like Jack
But you're you're right. So with the extra nut component
I gotta say it reminds me of less of the wild turkey
I was originally thinking and now a bit more of
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Whole number seven be the way
Right. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah
I'm kind of surprised that this is 70% corn. Oh
It didn't strike me as a high corn
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Me neither, but I don't actually know what wild turkey's mash bill is right offhand
I I read them before but I can't think of it right off that I don't remember either, but it makes sense
It's got the spiciness of the rye. I love the bar
You almost always have to have a good barley component and I like that it's above 3% right
Because so often it's three or something low and I like it a little I like a little more barley you wanted to you wanted to
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Help smooth things out a little bit
well
Not just that but the barley really does have help with the you know the mashing and all that so I
would add of course in the mash bills we chose I
Have of course put multi barley in it so
That multi-diless. Yeah. Yeah, I love the the coffee and
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Coco kind of component that comes with it. Yeah, the aroma is really nothing to write home about but I love the flavor
It's good flavor in it. Yeah, so it had been a really really long time like over 20 years
Since I last had old number seven and when I had it again
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When I last had old number seven all I was doing was mixing
Or just getting super hammered in that too. Yeah
So, you know, I didn't I never really thought much of old number seven and then a few years ago
It was available at a party. Mm-hmm, and I had some straight and it's like, you know what?
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This really
This is really kind of good. Mm-hmm. It was you know, I had that
Mental block. I think too many people be in a major high school in college. Yeah, and then it kind of wrecks them for it
Yeah, I hurt myself on Southern Comfort not
Not JD so I didn't have that kind of that's what I hurt myself on
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Southern Comfort what the my ash already dropped
I was a very small one too, and it just dropped I didn't hit anything with it least it didn't go in your drink
It just dropped around you
All right, so that's the whiskey. Did you lose your cherry along with it? No, no, no, okay, so the
That's the whiskey
What do you think of the cigar? I'm really liking this
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So we picked up a few of these we did right and
I've already gone through mine. Oh
Well, that's why I said to aside when you tend to do with something on a show. Yeah, otherwise people smoke it turns out
I like these yeah me too
Me too was I was pleasantly surprised because
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You know
Alec Bradley has some really good stuff, and they have some stuff. I just really won't touch so
It's always nice when I get an outlet Bradley. I really like I'm in the other way
I really like the Alec Bradley lines
and
So this didn't surprise me that I really like
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So, you know
I've got some favorites
You know we really love that Prince Otto absolutely and and it ranked high yeah, and I really like the
Fix I believe is theirs. I
Don't remember the fix. I think it's called fix the fix is in and
So this this one rackets off to a great start
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Has a really easy retro hill real nice. Oh, I don't know retro hill. Mm-hmm
So nice and easy I like it
Nice and easy forward flavors though. It packs a lot in here
That's part of the issue with picking out a forward flavor because it's kind of a baking spice cigar
But there's there's some earth in it that's it's more like it's like a leafy dirty earth
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That's what I wasn't gonna say earth. I was gonna say leaves. Yeah, and I love that part of it
There are the baking spices no real peppers or anything like that. They are kind of
You know more muted spices. There's some peppers in the retro hill, but they're not black like a red. It's like it's like nice and easy
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And you could say that there's a little bit of a wood component to it, but
For me, it's more dirt earth and and the baking type. Yeah, I was gonna say leaves and baking spices. Yeah
So lovely beginning. Oh, yeah
And one of the things that really drew me to the cigar after having had one
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And why I went through the rest of them that I had
I'll see if I get some more is how they're beautiful is that combination of the
dirty leafy earth and
The spices and how they just combined together so well
Yeah, and this one. I don't know that it gets a lot of press
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um, oh
It also is a got a secondary band the La Vega
Coyole
Don't remember exactly the story, but I think Quillow's named after a tree or something something like that sounds right so
But it's uh
It's really nice
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Good start. Yeah, I was I was
Happy
Smoking these I even took some on some trips. Oh
There you go nice. So I definitely have to get some more of these it was I I really like them
I do I do
What's off to a rave start? So that's a good that's always good for us to guard, isn't it?
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Absolutely and especially right off the bat, right? Yeah, I mean more a bit into it
You dumped your ash mines. That's still there was only like a half an inch. I don't know why it fell. I
Don't know mine's still there. And what is a dirty ash? It's it's a blackish gray ash. So no contrast
Yeah, it's like a volcanic ash
You know you can grow shit in it, but it doesn't you know
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It's not pretty like a like a beach sand. No, it's not
Okay, but I mean as far as the construction
I mean you expect good construction out of Alec Bradley. Yeah, and this does not point disappointing that regard
Doing the straight cut just a small little nip off the end
Sucker lit up
No problems. Yep. It did not really have to settle in no
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It was good to go right off the bat love it. So neither of us scorched it. That's a good start
It takes practice it does it really does it does and it's also funny
I think we both can convert it back to a barely straight cut. Yes from the v cuts. Yes, it's kind of funny
I've been how long we've been v cut guys four years. Oh longer than that. I think probably and
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Fairness the way that we used to do straight cuts was much higher up you lose the cap
Kind of I never went in so far that you lose the cap, but this is a barely cut up
Right, it's it just it was not pleasant and the v cut helped a lot with that. Yeah
And you know we both really enjoyed the deep fees
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But if you can just take off just the one layer of the cap and you're not even cutting
The filler with you get that yep straight cut down. Yep. It's superior
Absolutely. Once you figure out how to do that. That is the optimum way
Nice telling you nice
Now like I said when I when I when I started doing that I practiced on cheap cigars sure
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But now it's not even probably
I didn't have to practice that long. I'm like, okay, cuz I already figured it
awesome point and
Nailed it. It's it's really better and now even the perfect cutters. You know, they're way too deep
Yeah, way too much the perfect cutters are way too deep and needs to be much more shallow than that
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I don't know why they call it perfect
Yeah, because it's not it needs it needs help it needs to be real shallow like a razor blade shape absolutely
Okay, so we've been waiting for this for a while. We've talked about it a lot
We knew it was gonna happen so this is from Ars Technica
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China bands US exports of gallium germanium
Antimony and super hard materials now
That's a really weird
Catch all super hard materials. I won't go into that just yet, but
China has immediately
Against the US following new export curbs that the Biden administration announced Monday
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Which restrict a wider range of Chinese businesses from accessing any foreign products that include even a single US made chip
on Tuesday
China's Ministry of Commerce punch back announcing the ban takes effect immediately on
Experts of exports of dual use items related to gallium germanium antimony and super hard metals to the US
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Such dual use items cover goods and technologies used for civil or military purposes
While the rare earth medical metals are critical to technical manufacturing so
I guess
Maybe the rare earths the the lantenide series and they fall under the category of super hard
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I don't know they're not I don't know what that means, but we were expecting this or
I assume I assume everybody in our upper government was expecting this as well. I if they weren't
Shame on them. Yeah, you're not following things if yeah, but this we've been waiting for and
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Not not surprising
I'm surprised it didn't have an earlier when we banned them from having any really decent semiconductor chips
something like
80 to 85 percent of mining is done
either in China or by Chinese own companies right they bought a lot of places around the world and
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Something like 90 plus percent of all smelting is done in China right
And smelting is how you get the ore out of the junk that you bring up right you have to it's a process you have to go through
And they have the market on that yes
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so
Any materials that we use
to build just about anything
Comes through China or goes through China own company at some point in its lifecycle. Yep
and
Where they where they have us by the balls so to speak is in things that are
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Technology related
Right all the materials are there the only thing they don't have direct control over right now is TSMC
Right and if they get control of that though well, they're talking 2025 they told us they flat out told us they're going in in 2025
so
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So the retaliation was not expected experts previously told ours the dus risk
Losing access to rare earth metals critical to manufacturing a wide range of popular products
If it placed any new trade restrictions on China and yesterday
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lin one
Warned at a press conference the China would take measures to safeguard the rights and interests of its firms again
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Not surprising which is funny because we have an institute or anything
It's just the next president coming in is threatening to institute things. So yeah
So that's that's part of this
Part of this article although China's response to the latest curbs was swift and seemingly strong
Experts told ours that China's response to Biden's last round of tariffs was relatively muted
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It's possible that this week span on exports into the US could also be a response to
President-elect Donald Trump's threat to increase tariffs on all Chinese goods once he takes office, which is highly likely
I've already see lists of things you should buy
Before the president gets in the office and adds tariffs on them and most of them are durable goods like you know washers dryers
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Refrigerators all the things that are made abroad even though a lot of more us companies you go world pools the US company
Yeah, that makes everything in China. Yep or abroad. Yeah, so but you're okay if you buy LG or Samsung
I
Guess but there's so much more expensive than whirlpool. Yep that you don't you don't want to do that
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I don't know so you're they're talking about a six hundred dollar
Washer or dryer going to eight hundred dollars. That's quite prohibitive to a lot of people and that's just a tax
It's not that's not the deterring
Whirlpool for manufacturing in China. That's that's not going to change. It's just a tax that goes into
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The coffers of the US government. Yeah, it doesn't help anybody
tariffs are supposed to
encourage
The domestic product purchase, but there is no domestic product purchase for a lot of these things there are not right
And so there are some exceptions and even when he was in office
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He did accept some things that didn't have manufacture here
But he had to be told that because he didn't do the research before he threw the tariff in and then we had to go back and
Say hey, we need an exception here when you exception there when you accept me
You know I cast up but it will hurt us businesses in a world. You hurt us people
It's not going to help us businesses these tariffs
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Not immediately so I don't I don't know what his plan is
Text everything did you see what he said? I mean the in game. Oh
What do you what he talks about and what is in game are are not the same thing
And most of it is that way even China
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Yeah, what they what they talk about doing and what you see them do or not what their in game is
It's how to get to the end game or how to get to the negotiation table for the end game
A lot of the tariffs that we have done in the past that aren't
sanctions
Is just to get negotiation going to
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You know say hey you need to
If you increase your prices will remove the tariffs, you know increase your prices
20% will remove the tariffs just so you know we can
Kind of be on on a closer footing
So I can see that in the area of solar or there's a couple other places where
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Chinese government is selling below cost to drive out other businesses
That makes sense and so you add the tariff because they're cheating. I mean well anything anything
Tech is that way?
Everything tech from China is that way right?
Everything clothing is that way right?
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so
Having putting tariffs on things like that in order to just to get them to not
Undercut even themselves
You know helps but there's a lot of data that shows them undercutting themselves is harming them
Like on a perpetual basis. You know they are there. They're not their growth rate is shrinking
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Yeah, but they're not looking at right now one of the things China does that we don't look at 20 years
Yeah, they've got a 20 year plan and they want to be able to
Take over markets. They want the market share
Right and they want the they want the IP they want to be IP generators and they want the market share
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Because the goals that they have
They're okay with short-term losses
For the longer-term gains from their perspective as long as it happens
I mean there's no guarantee that's gonna happen in 20 years either one of the things that they
the that China's been doing is they've been going into South America and Africa and
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and
you know that they've been
Funnelling money towards these infrastructure projects to improve electricity and water and roads
with
Using not using American dollars right as the base using brick as the base
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to try to
supplant the American dollars the world currency right
But they have to do it with five countries they can't do it
Singly right because none of them are stable enough
That's part of the best part of the big thing that I've said a
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Bunch of times is the brick economies are not stable. We're
Brazil India China Russia
Russia China, but spelling breakout anyway
Here's the thing until you become a more stable place and
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Stable means people are happy
and not wanting to revolt even if they can't revolt yet if they still want to revolt and
Name one of those four
India's the only India's the most stable one
Yes, and I've read articles on why India can't grow it China's rate and can't succeed because of a number of political reasons, but so
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they're
never
going to
supplant the US dollar
Until they do one thing and that's undermine our confidence in ourselves and that's what they're really doing and
That's what they have to do now, right?
because
They've
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Because they can't come up. They have to bring us down. Well, they formed a brick
2020 25 years ago. It was a bit. Yeah
And they've tried various things
And it just hasn't worked for them now you can go in you can do infrastructure product
that one of the reasons why they're targeting
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Africa specifically middle Africa is because we have
We have tried to make inroads in Africa for
Low-skilled manufacturing right which is how we started in India. I was trying to start anywhere right
But the
The reason why middle Africa is because
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Most of the countries and not all but most of the countries in middle Africa are more stable
But their infrastructure is lagging right
So, you know, we can only do so much for infrastructure while trying to get manufactured because these are
These are companies that you know get assistance sort of from the the US government to be able to put things in
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And from the European government to be able to put things in place to make that happen
But there is absolutely no desire
For either
Systems to funnel a whole bunch of money into infrastructure to something that may not work
Just because there's so much destabilizing influence in Africa
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China is of the opinion
We're okay with that. Yeah, we want them on our side. We want them using brick currency
And funding to do this and we will give them
Next to nothing of interest rates just so we can get in the door
Oh and by the way, so that we can get the minerals
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Rights to mine the minerals that are there
Yes, and if we're nice to them, maybe we can get mineral right and you know
Helps in
Helps fight the US really helps fight the West
So yeah, I don't know
Not surprising at all the whoever in this article said that that they were surprised is just not paying attention
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I don't think anybody said they are surprised. I was saying that they
We should have already known this and just been waiting for the shoot drop really
Yeah, and it's going to be around
Stuff that is green because that's where that's I mean they have worked so much on making that
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That technology right cheap
When solar they have put a lot of money and effort into making that those products
Cheaper and being able to flood the market with those things
And you know, that's one litch pin that they have
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batteries the the materials that you need to make batteries, right?
Something like 90% of those materials come from China. Yes, we've talked about that too. Yep
So yes, they have a bit of a string of hope, but whenever they do that to us it does hurt them
Whenever we do that to them it does hurt us, right?
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But I think
in the long run
you know the
My hope is is that the the US side is
Trying to negotiate to shrink the gap between the two
well
And using the threat of tariffs as a way of doing that right and President Trump is
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going to
Probably put a 35% tax on Chinese goods all of them and so that's just gonna end up creating
another recession for us as everything becomes more expensive I
Depends if wages can increase
We already increased wages recently
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We keep increasing the wages of the bottom 25% and it's going to just drive inflation
That's exactly what happened last time
If you can reduce energy costs we can't what do you mean we can't how are you gonna reduce energy costs?
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What's the popular phrase drill baby drill? Yeah, okay
I don't see that I
Don't see that because us producers have a minimum cost that's higher and if we really want to do that
it's gonna be
Combating the Middle East we will drop prices because they know once everybody goes green
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Everything in the ground is worthless again just like it wasn't the 18. But they know
They know not everybody's gonna go green green energy has
limitations it has problems
and
most of most of the
OPEC countries
Their minimum is 80 dollars a barrel
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They cannot sustain their economies and their economies are run on oil is it that high now yes a
Rand our Rand is the closest and they cannot sustain their economy on anything less than 80 dollars a barrel
Okay
So you're talking about fluctuations between 80 and 100
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But we don't buy so before
COVID
We were making it at like 60 something and they drove it down below that to get all of us to stop our pumping
That was on purpose. Yes, right and but now are we anywhere near 80? I bet it's a lot higher. Oh, no
We are below 80. We're still below 80 fracking is around 35 to 40
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Really absolutely okay absolutely
That that even today even today that has allowed a that
the reason why
The costs are high right now or the the base reason why the costs are high right now is
Because we are not in control of our own energy
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Whenever whenever
Whenever we are in control of our own energy
cost go down
Hmm. All right, let's take a quick break come back to do that
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Okay, we are back with old fashions in hand so again
We are trying to build a consortium of walnut bittered. We just need one more we need one more
Wow old fashions and that walnut takes over
Yep, it's very walnutty
So we've made a candy old-fashioned am I wrong? This is a candy or you are not wrong
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So here's the good news super tasty you could down these by the gallon
Yes, you could these are very dangerous, but it's I wouldn't say it's a contention worthy
none of the alcohol
Flavor of the one oh one comes through no it's just a really sweet alcoholic walnut bitter old-fashioned
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Yeah, no no wheelhouse comes through
Tell you what it's pretty tasty though
It is tasty I could make a number of these party
Pray to make them by the pitcher
You could
Mm-hmm
Alright, so the summation on the old-fashioned and I'm not smoking the cigar with this no I'm not either
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It's gonna weigh overwhelming you know what though. I'm gonna take one. I'm gonna take one don't do it. It's not worth it
Still tastes like walnut
We went from earthy leafy dirty dirty leafy to walnut
Talk about woody. Yeah
so
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Totally would recommend this at a party. This would be wonderful at a party, but it's not really what's not
It has no character. It's just
It's just a nice candy drink that people would love. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna rinse with a little water
I'm gonna rinse a little water and then with a little
Then I'll call there may be a little more water
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Yeah before I go back to the cigar
So the wheel horse is a makes a good old-fashioned and at $32
That would not be a bad
you know
Use of its time now. It's a good zipper and again reminds me of other Kentucky Straperman whiskeys
And makes a great walnut better in real fashion, so
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I want to know if number of old number seven makes a good
What makes a candy old-fashioned walnut?
Because we we never done it. Oh, we know it in walnut. Yeah
All right, I know we done we done old number seven on one of the shows. I don't think it was this year
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Well, we didn't think we have so many years doing this
Now this year we have to categorize by years
So midpoints I really wish I had done that old-fashioned. I know it kind of took the steam out of the cigar didn't it? Yeah
I need to rinse more or something tell you what no before
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The midbreak let's say
We had a midpoint that's I'm picturing that again, so it hadn't changed on me same and I'm
Still loving this cigar. It's a really good cigar. I'm very happy with it
It's kind of a little bit faster
Burner then I would like it to be
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Because it is a robusto, right? So it's a little on the smaller side for all of us Toro smokers, but
Does seem to go for flavor
So I've got this so we have a mood lighting I guess right?
It's not it's not harsh lighting at all. It's all the lighting that points out of the ceiling unless the reflection go yeah, and
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So there's an area on the cigar where where the of Vayne is on the wrapper, okay?
And it produces a little bit of a shadow
It's not it's not really 3d, but it's got a slight darker color right around there
And every time I look at it the way that it's shaped I think I've got a flaw in the wrapper
I don't I don't but because of the lighting and how that looks it looks like it
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And it's the only place on the cigar that looks that way
But I keep but you know, it's not
And I'm getting them the reason why I bring that up is because my burn line is getting close to that
And so it's more prevalent in my field of vision
and
Because I look at my burn line. I like the burn line
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Well a little a little bit of the wheel horse and a little bit of water
I think I've gotten the cigar back to where I'm like, yeah, that's the flavor of the cigar
But so it's very very nice cigar. It's got those again
Like we said before it hasn't transitioned right?
so I like the combination of the dirty leaves and and and
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Right up my wheelhouse is always the baking spice cigar
It's one of the reasons I adore the Ventura lines. They have Ventura lines are almost all baking spice cigars
There's a few exceptions
But I tend to gravitate towards the baking spice cigars
Absolutely. There's no reason not to
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Especially
Especially if you're gonna smoke every day
Get something that's more along those lines, right?
But there are times when I just I want I want a bold down to dirty
musty, you know, just
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Musty you know, I'm a fan of must yeah, yeah
And there there are times that you know, I like I like mild cigars
But no matter no matter what it is mild medium bold. I want
Some kind of flavor, right? I don't want it to be bland, right?
I'm not smoking for it to be bland. I'm smoking to get the flavors out of it, right?
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even when
You know, I couldn't pick out flavors in cigars and just you
What was your quote smacks of tobacco, right even even back then it was still a
flavor component not
Just to produce, you know, not just to take leaves and make a mash
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It was for the flavor component if I don't like how it tastes
I don't want to do it same with my liquor. If I don't like how it tastes, I'm not gonna drink it
I want it. I want to taste something and I want it to be pleasant
Pleasant to me at least so yeah, I
Forgot where I was going with that
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Again that you also are kind of in line with the baking spice again
And yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where this where I am and I
Mean that's why we'll look at our our top six
They all absolutely run in the medium
That are highly flavorful and the baking spice kind of way
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Yeah, probably the most bold one on the top five is the Coheba Blue
And it's not really that bold. It's not
It's not
Now I would say the top ten have yeah, yeah, or mostly that way as well, right?
Maybe one or two exceptions including the blue
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so
Okay, you got a I mean
Okay, so that's in and of itself that's almost being in a wheelhouse, right?
But it gives you it's a wheelhouse that has a a broader
line of
Cigars in front of it then just picking this cigar and stain there. Yep
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So yeah
Now one thing that I do a
Lot is when I find somebody who is like this is I do that a lot
Yeah
My find somebody who's like this is my cigar and this is what I smoke. I ask them. What do you like about it?
Right and a little challenge now internationally again a
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lot of people
they just go oh, this is the cigar and
it's like I don't know second or third one I tried and
The other ones were harsh or I didn't like them and so I like this one and then they they ended their journey there
Yep, and I think that's the most common answer I get is
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I had a few I didn't like them. I like this one and I stopped and
I go what do you like about it and usually the answer is it's actually pretty similar to people's answers for liquor and
The answer is usually it's smooth
Like well, that doesn't mean a lot and
but I get it. I know what you mean, but
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We're not usually picking out a flavor. They like it's usually just that it's not aggressive
Yeah, and I mean we were there at one point
Everybody's done it who got past it, but some people are still
Not venturing out so and that's why we keep telling people to venture out well and sometimes you have to know
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that
These things exist that you get all these
You know
overly detailed descriptions of all these weird flavors, you know that people put out like
You know graphite
Graphite I was thinking more like a orange peel on a sunny morning. No, okay, right? You know something like that
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And you're like yeah, whatever
but
Orange right leather
Earth leaves right cardboard graphite
You know, baby powder baby powder
Absolutely not mag
You get these things and
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But you have to you have to realize you have to kiss some frogs
And you have to think about it, right?
You have to think about it and getting a printing out a flavor wheel and looking at the flavor wheel while you're smoking the
Suhara I
Think is the best way to start you down that path. We said this a lot. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we keep saying it now
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I hope people are hearing it because
There's so many cigars. I would have never tried if we hadn't done the show and
That's fact I am regretful that that's the only thing that put me on my path
Like I would have never gone on this path that then then it took so long together
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I mean we all the stars were a lot of years. Yeah, but all the different cigars we missed out on right exactly
But you got to start somewhere and
I'm gonna start today if you're smoking cigars and you have yours and that's what you do more power to you
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but
If you're listening to this on your morning drive or your evening drive
go out
To a tobacconist go find your local cigar shop wherever you buy your cigars wherever you do
I don't know what you do and
Ask the tobacconist. Hey, what do you think's interesting?
Just start with that. Yeah, they'll ask you some follow-up questions like what do you like and maybe your answer is I?
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Like this cigar or I don't know what I like
Just take a recommendation and try it. They've been around. They've smoked everything in the shop
it's sort of like when I go into a restaurant, I've never been in and
you know
Either the waiter or waitress says hey, what do you want? I go what's uh, I do bartenders too. I go what's uh
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What's the cook good at?
What or I asked the bartender? What's your best? What do you would drink do you make best?
It may not be one I necessarily want. What do you think you make best? Let me try that
Because if they make that best
That's probably not a lie
You know and same with the cook same with the chef you go what what do you make well?
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Let me just try it not well done. Yeah, I know I like extra extra rare
So I I say do that just go to your tobacconist and go hey, give me a recommendation and then try it yep and
Mass majority tobacconist out there are more than willing to help you out more than have an opinion. Yes
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Yes, they all have opinions
Now what I don't here's what you don't do
If they so I see this a lot of tobacco shops
So and so it's got a picture and it's by a box. So when so is pick of the month or whatever
Don't do that
Talk to them a lot of the times. I see that pick of the month. I go okay. I see it
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You're trying to sell an expensive cigar some of them aren't that way, but though many are and
Ask just ask and ask for a story
So once they give you the story it may or may not be that box no it may not it may be that box
It could be one of the honest ones, but sometimes I think they're it's up there to try move something or the person doesn't know
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What to put up but get the story get the story
listen to them and try something new and
You might find something like better than your smoking now. I fully agree don't get me wrong
But I'm gonna throw another little piece of advice out there
The cigar that you have or the cigars that you have that you like right now that you buy right now
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Print you out of flavor will smoke that cigar and
Try to pick out flavors of that cigar figure out what you like you do that with the cigars that you have
You'll probably find a commonality
Probably yeah, no, I agree with that completely and then go to your tobaccaness and say hey, I like this
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Do you have you know? I I smoked this I smoked this do you have something else along this line?
Yes, that's another great one just to branch out a little bit
It's like a better know what it is that you're doing now
Yeah, it's sort of like a Pandora recommendation if you get in the if you get in the one group that you like
You go things like this in Pandora makes recommendations. So will your tobaccaness
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Absolutely you find a song you like the year before
That's from a group you've never even never ever heard of and that's what that's what we're looking for in
The cigar that we're trying to recommend to you is and find the next one and this point in time is a
Stupendous time to be branching out
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Even better than the 90s even better than the 90s night when night when the night. Oh came out in the 90s boom went
Everybody thought it was a great time and it was now is even better. Yes
Trust me I've been so many since then yeah, so many different facing so many different manufacturers so many different
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variety of blends just yeah even more seed varieties that people have created since then it's amazing what they're making now
I would have never thought that we would get the variety and flavor distinctions we get now
back in the 90s and
once you once you get past that initial point and you're
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Starting to branch out and try different things and you're not gonna love everything you try. Nope
There gonna be some other that's just because there's gonna be some frogs there are gonna be some frogs just because
You come across a frog
Don't stop trying different things it could be a bit in next one
There's probably gonna be more that you like than you don't yeah keep in mind
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you know what strength level you're at
what flavor profile you're at and
Just start trying things
right and
Invite people along your journey. Yeah, that's how we grow this community
Yep, no, that's a that's a good one too a lot of a lot of really great
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Recommendations came from friends of mine who was like hey, I had this cigar
You should try it and then I try it and there's fewer frogs in that group
Yeah, so I would hope so I would hope so
Oh, you're palant my power not the same
But for the most part
Uh, they're they're better just like a drink just like a wine just
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You know a movie a movie, you know, I don't take your recommendations for movies anymore, right? Yeah
If you recommend a movie I'm like, okay, definitely don't watch that one
There are a couple there's no there's a few there's some good classics that you you got a taste for that are good
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but the um, what's the what's the one that was expendables?
Yeah, you can suck at the most spendables
ridiculous
uh
I haven't liked an expendable since one one was okay and after that. Oh, jeez what no
But we saw
What was that? Expendables two? I think it was yes, you loved it where where the where Jean Club band am was the bad guy
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we
we watched that at something like a studio movie grill
and
the entire audience
Was engaged
We were all making fun of it. Yeah, we were all laughing at it. We were all I mean we were all having an that
I
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Right there
Oh, I make makes that a winner for me
I made plenty of fun of it because I will watch it
You know, it'll come on tv or something and I will watch part of it and I will remember
That that feeling that emotion or whatever you as you want to call it, you know that situation and
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That's not how you pitched it to me though. No, it's not how I pitched it to you
That's why I that's why I was like, right?
How I pitched it to you was terrible
It was mystery science theater esque
Oh, it was
worthy of mystery science so worthy
That's all I did the whole time
That's all I did the whole that's what most of the people in the theater did the whole time say that no I didn't say that
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Sometimes I have a problem communicating
Says a co-host of us
also hit
But um
I do like some classics cost of long because one of my favorite movies ever oh
So the one I had I had actually seen it
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But I had no movie quoted more than cost of long. That's true, but our sneaking old lace was really great
I love our I hadn't seen it in 20 years and you recommended it. I'm like that sounds familiar
And I remembered it as I watched it. I'm like, oh, how did I not watch this again?
That was a really great one. So you've got good good. You've run cotton cold
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I have to put some on my mood
I think we've made our point again with try more things. I will
I will watch just about any movie that has christopher walking in it same or and
Anything that has christopher walking in it even it's the movie itself sucks
Yeah, yeah like a watch walking I watch what whatever me whatever that blood diamond movie was oh
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I can't think of it now. I had that
Decaprio whatever his name is guy in it that movie sucked except for walking
He was the best part of that movie. Yeah, there's some guys. I will watch no matter what they're in
Yeah
I think the same machine me. Bishimi and pit. Oh, yeah, bishimi and pit. Not pit, but bishimi. Definitely. I like pit
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As far as I'm concerned Brad Pitt's best part was in truer romance, right where he played the druggie on the couch. You mentioned that
Yeah
Second best I would have to say is
Mr. Mrs. Smith
Okay, no, that's a good one. That's a good one and I'll tell you why I liked him in that one
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Because he had a range
It was you know
Nice, you know
Family guy at the house with the neighbors right and then badass guy
stupid badass guy
Which he was not and I I like that I like that
That's
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That's what I want to see out of an actor is you know differences
Okay, how about that?
Anyway
Yeah, no, he's he's one I'll watch
but although I will say right away I'm not watched everything he's made because so much so much about it is
is just
the same
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And it gets born
Okay
I
And even one of your favorite movies the fight club
Oh my god fight club. He's just so much the same there. He doesn't stretch
What's the guy with the nose that did like risky business
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Top gun. Oh
Um
You shouldn't look on that. That is a bad sign. Whatever his name is Tom Cruise. Yeah, Tom Cruise
At least he does roles that have range
Oh, and I'm not a huge fan of him. He's got some really good movies. Yeah, I'll give you that
Yeah, and he's got he does movies where he's got range as an actor
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And if you're acting
You're playing a part
Do the range anyway? It's my pet peeve. All right. Let's rank this thing
Oh
I'm excited. I'm curious. I'm both I'm curious for me and for you
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Okay, I do like this cigar quite a bit so I mean it's gonna be in the top half for sure Zeez
Okay, so here you go. Okay, you rank this sucker
And
Let's see what we got here
You know, we're we're nearing the end of the year too. We don't have a lot more
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We are decisions to fill. This is the 50th cigar that we are ranking. It is. I know right like wow
So me me and joyo
Me and joyo were at a waffle house
And we were in a booth and then this this guy was in the booth behind us and this lady comes in sits down with him
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and
Every other word out of her mouth
Was I know right? I know right?
And every other word out of his mouth was like like like
So so you're here like this like this like this and she's like I know right. I know right. I know right. I know
So I call my
God you people deserve each other but not next to us leave
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All right, well, I moved this guy pretty high actually
Wow, you really did I did okay
Did I go over what you expected?
So
Okay, I had two places. I would have placed this
I would have placed this at the number 10 spot. Okay
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Which would have put it just above the rocket patel so not too far
60 and right below the alic bread right below the adventura luleroa
and
I I also thought it was kind of fitting
Uh in the number 20 slot between the rocket patel
dbs and this cao flathead
Yeah, but there was a couple in there that I liked uh
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You know
But not quite as much so I pushed it a bit higher
You did so darrell wound up putting this in the number eight slot
Which is uh just below the laura roramadoro and just above the evager luleroa
Uh, so why did you choose this spot? So
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the
We had recently had the lorora
And and that's got some play some flavor with cigar
Yeah, and it's it's a little bit more, you know medium medium bold. It's a bit bolder than this one
Yeah, it's got some it's got some some earthy tones to it
It's got more bold flavors to it. The laura roramadoro while it's a maduro
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Uh and
Yeah, it kind of falls close to there
Just seems I don't know
Well, I I just had a problem putting it above the laura. I really liked that
and
And I actually really debated
On the evancura was above or below and I just I just decided to put it slightly above
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But it almost landed just below so really just I only had one slot
consternation
Well, I I had two
Um, but they were I mean it was more than halfway up the list
So
Wow, nice. It was very nice. So this time I'm going to do a 10
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10 down
uh, so
Number 10 is rocket because where's the end of the year? You might as well do a top 10 list might as well
uh rocket to tell 60
Number nine evancura laura
laura rona. Sorry
this cigar the the alex bradley, uh
Crow yolio
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At number eight
The koi I think it's quite old quite quite quite yes that
No numbers
We need to figure out how that's pronounced. Yeah number seven the laura, uh,
Maduro number six rojas blue bonnet number five cojiba blue number four
Alec bradley lost art number three cobwell long lived the king number two evancura explorer and number one
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obstacle
2012
2012 I got to find some more of those. Yeah, you do the years almost over found them
Uh, wow, we got we got a list going man. We got 50 of them now. That's a good list
It's a 50 so we need the
We're gonna have to do something soon
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We we're about to wrap it up for the year we are that's
It's exciting and sad at the same time is
It is
So
When we first started doing the ranking
It was it was pretty easy on the outset sure of course when we got about 15
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Yeah, it's challenging started, but look you've got to remember
Yes
And we're bad at remembering
Well
It's not bad. It's not just that but you change a lot in the course of a year
Yeah, and you change a lot from week to week. Yes
And what you've had that day and what went on that day it it it affects
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so it's
It's been interesting, but I do like it when you get like a last minute entry who rockets up
Like last and this one did yes. It you know, this is a good example. Yeah top 10
the late stage right and
You've in the other is of course the la rora that surprised us both. Yep
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Really it was like whoa
Yes, wow. So you know
That's kind of the exciting part right is when you can come in late and not land in the middle and you can you can
find one that wow
Look at that one go like imagine on week 52 you find the number one cigar of the year
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Right. That'd be weird. Wouldn't that be weird be weird but awesome. It would kind of be awesome, but it would be weird
And at the same time
You have this little consternation
Right because the the the the three rocket patel or rocket the three
um
Pradomos that we did. Yeah, the only one that was on this list was the Maduro
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Right the other two the sun groan and the and the
Connecticut or
Connecticut are you talking to all the 30-year line or just yeah, yeah the 30
So the other two were in the previous year. We didn't rate those right
And you know at the beginning of the year we're like yeah, we was but you know
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They were
Right, but we didn't do those that year
So, you know
It makes you think should we do
Should we
Hey, here's a year, man. What are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah
I mean you do have to draw the line somewhere you have to have a start and you have to have a finish
We go by calendar year and we're going by calendar year
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So
We're not even going by anniversary of the show now we're going by calendar year, right?
Which makes it simple for us. Yeah, because we're simple
We are simple
But the ranking has been damn cool. It's been really cool. I enjoy it
Yeah, maybe next year we'll rank liquor. We're gonna yeah
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You'll do the liquor. I'll do the cigars. I will
I feel mad. We'll see how that goes. So do I
Welcome to our newest episode today. We have the Alec Bradley
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coil and with it wheel horse 101 wheel horse
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars liquor and more
All right, well the Alec Bradley we have the
Coil is a 5 by 52 and has a Honduran wrapper
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Honduran and Nicaraguan binder and fillers as an MSRP of $9
The wheel horse 101 is obviously bottled at 101 is a Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey with an H statement of four years old
Oh, they want you to know it too. It's on the front. It's on the back
And I miss our p of 32 dollars. So fairly affordable. Yeah
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101 and 101
so
Alrighty
Let's let this settle in get a nose of some let's go with Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey
Yeah, it's got that nose little vanilla and that little twang that always is Kentucky bourbon whiskey
Yeah, it's Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. So
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Maybe I'm being flippant, but a lot of them do taste a lot alike. So
This one I wonder
How close you think it is to
Others like which one would you say it's closest to what he was it remind you the most of?
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It was given another sip
Because it feels like I know this one
And actually I don't know I don't know if they are their own
entity or not
So I can tell you who it reminds me of
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wheelhorse is crafted and matured at Green River distilling in
Owensboro, Kentucky as the tenth oldest permitted distillers
In the state Green River has a rich history that dates back to the late 1800s
I like how they specify permitted
Right, I mean you should because none of the others documented our sour mash bourbon is distilled in copper stills and aged
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in 53 gallon new chart well, of course is new chart out there for four years
That's a great made from a mash bill of 70% corn
21% rye and 9% multibarly bottled at 101 proof
9 chill filtered so I love that they give us the mash bill
I love that it's a copper still and
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It's it's familiar. Yeah, you want you want to hear what I what I get out of it. Yes like a
Little bit sweeter old number seven
Really? Yeah, so when I tasted it not not the aroma
But when I tasted it, that's what it reminded me of almost instantly
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So I'll give you has a nutty component, which is what I get mostly out of Jack
It's not as dark as Jack
It looks much more like your standard, but of course, it's probably not been put through to charcoal filtration, right?
but I
think that
Yeah, that's probably not a bad assessment now. I want to pivot
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But it is it's almost like a little bit of a sweeter number seven
It is sweeter. I was happy nutty when you said when you said sour mash
Hmm. I had to smile because that's what number seven is
It's a bourbon number seven and
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The basic flavor profile to be says number seven
You know, I think I have to agree with you now because I was not thinking that way
What were you thinking before?
Not a four roses. No my thought I I kind of want to go your way now because I didn't get the nutty right away
It came on the second sip, but it reminds me of wild turkey
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101 but you're right while turkey doesn't have the nutty component this has yes
So yeah, there you have to pivot dare you say nutmeg?
No, not 90 like like Jack
But you're you're right. So with the extra nut component
I gotta say it reminds me of less of the wild turkey
I was originally thinking and now a bit more of
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Whole number seven be the way
Right. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah
I'm kind of surprised that this is 70% corn. Oh
It didn't strike me as a high corn
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Me neither, but I don't actually know what wild turkey's mash bill is right offhand
I I read them before but I can't think of it right off that I don't remember either, but it makes sense
It's got the spiciness of the rye. I love the bar
You almost always have to have a good barley component and I like that it's above 3% right
Because so often it's three or something low and I like it a little I like a little more barley you wanted to you wanted to
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Help smooth things out a little bit
well
Not just that but the barley really does have help with the you know the mashing and all that so I
would add of course in the mash bills we chose I
Have of course put multi barley in it so
That multi-diless. Yeah. Yeah, I love the the coffee and
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Coco kind of component that comes with it. Yeah, the aroma is really nothing to write home about but I love the flavor
It's good flavor in it. Yeah, so it had been a really really long time like over 20 years
Since I last had old number seven and when I had it again
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When I last had old number seven all I was doing was mixing
Or just getting super hammered in that too. Yeah
So, you know, I didn't I never really thought much of old number seven and then a few years ago
It was available at a party. Mm-hmm, and I had some straight and it's like, you know what?
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This really
This is really kind of good. Mm-hmm. It was you know, I had that
Mental block. I think too many people be in a major high school in college. Yeah, and then it kind of wrecks them for it
Yeah, I hurt myself on Southern Comfort not
Not JD so I didn't have that kind of that's what I hurt myself on
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Southern Comfort what the my ash already dropped
I was a very small one too, and it just dropped I didn't hit anything with it least it didn't go in your drink
It just dropped around you
All right, so that's the whiskey. Did you lose your cherry along with it? No, no, no, okay, so the
That's the whiskey
What do you think of the cigar? I'm really liking this
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So we picked up a few of these we did right and
I've already gone through mine. Oh
Well, that's why I said to aside when you tend to do with something on a show. Yeah, otherwise people smoke it turns out
I like these yeah me too
Me too was I was pleasantly surprised because
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You know
Alec Bradley has some really good stuff, and they have some stuff. I just really won't touch so
It's always nice when I get an outlet Bradley. I really like I'm in the other way
I really like the Alec Bradley lines
and
So this didn't surprise me that I really like
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So, you know
I've got some favorites
You know we really love that Prince Otto absolutely and and it ranked high yeah, and I really like the
Fix I believe is theirs. I
Don't remember the fix. I think it's called fix the fix is in and
So this this one rackets off to a great start
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Has a really easy retro hill real nice. Oh, I don't know retro hill. Mm-hmm
So nice and easy I like it
Nice and easy forward flavors though. It packs a lot in here
That's part of the issue with picking out a forward flavor because it's kind of a baking spice cigar
But there's there's some earth in it that's it's more like it's like a leafy dirty earth
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That's what I wasn't gonna say earth. I was gonna say leaves. Yeah, and I love that part of it
There are the baking spices no real peppers or anything like that. They are kind of
You know more muted spices. There's some peppers in the retro hill, but they're not black like a red. It's like it's like nice and easy
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And you could say that there's a little bit of a wood component to it, but
For me, it's more dirt earth and and the baking type. Yeah, I was gonna say leaves and baking spices. Yeah
So lovely beginning. Oh, yeah
And one of the things that really drew me to the cigar after having had one
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And why I went through the rest of them that I had
I'll see if I get some more is how they're beautiful is that combination of the
dirty leafy earth and
The spices and how they just combined together so well
Yeah, and this one. I don't know that it gets a lot of press
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um, oh
It also is a got a secondary band the La Vega
Coyole
Don't remember exactly the story, but I think Quillow's named after a tree or something something like that sounds right so
But it's uh
It's really nice
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Good start. Yeah, I was I was
Happy
Smoking these I even took some on some trips. Oh
There you go nice. So I definitely have to get some more of these it was I I really like them
I do I do
What's off to a rave start? So that's a good that's always good for us to guard, isn't it?
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Absolutely and especially right off the bat, right? Yeah, I mean more a bit into it
You dumped your ash mines. That's still there was only like a half an inch. I don't know why it fell. I
Don't know mine's still there. And what is a dirty ash? It's it's a blackish gray ash. So no contrast
Yeah, it's like a volcanic ash
You know you can grow shit in it, but it doesn't you know
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It's not pretty like a like a beach sand. No, it's not
Okay, but I mean as far as the construction
I mean you expect good construction out of Alec Bradley. Yeah, and this does not point disappointing that regard
Doing the straight cut just a small little nip off the end
Sucker lit up
No problems. Yep. It did not really have to settle in no
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It was good to go right off the bat love it. So neither of us scorched it. That's a good start
It takes practice it does it really does it does and it's also funny
I think we both can convert it back to a barely straight cut. Yes from the v cuts. Yes, it's kind of funny
I've been how long we've been v cut guys four years. Oh longer than that. I think probably and
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Fairness the way that we used to do straight cuts was much higher up you lose the cap
Kind of I never went in so far that you lose the cap, but this is a barely cut up
Right, it's it just it was not pleasant and the v cut helped a lot with that. Yeah
And you know we both really enjoyed the deep fees
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But if you can just take off just the one layer of the cap and you're not even cutting
The filler with you get that yep straight cut down. Yep. It's superior
Absolutely. Once you figure out how to do that. That is the optimum way
Nice telling you nice
Now like I said when I when I when I started doing that I practiced on cheap cigars sure
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But now it's not even probably
I didn't have to practice that long. I'm like, okay, cuz I already figured it
awesome point and
Nailed it. It's it's really better and now even the perfect cutters. You know, they're way too deep
Yeah, way too much the perfect cutters are way too deep and needs to be much more shallow than that
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I don't know why they call it perfect
Yeah, because it's not it needs it needs help it needs to be real shallow like a razor blade shape absolutely
Okay, so we've been waiting for this for a while. We've talked about it a lot
We knew it was gonna happen so this is from Ars Technica
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China bands US exports of gallium germanium
Antimony and super hard materials now
That's a really weird
Catch all super hard materials. I won't go into that just yet, but
China has immediately
Against the US following new export curbs that the Biden administration announced Monday
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Which restrict a wider range of Chinese businesses from accessing any foreign products that include even a single US made chip
on Tuesday
China's Ministry of Commerce punch back announcing the ban takes effect immediately on
Experts of exports of dual use items related to gallium germanium antimony and super hard metals to the US
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Such dual use items cover goods and technologies used for civil or military purposes
While the rare earth medical metals are critical to technical manufacturing so
I guess
Maybe the rare earths the the lantenide series and they fall under the category of super hard
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I don't know they're not I don't know what that means, but we were expecting this or
I assume I assume everybody in our upper government was expecting this as well. I if they weren't
Shame on them. Yeah, you're not following things if yeah, but this we've been waiting for and
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Not not surprising
I'm surprised it didn't have an earlier when we banned them from having any really decent semiconductor chips
something like
80 to 85 percent of mining is done
either in China or by Chinese own companies right they bought a lot of places around the world and
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Something like 90 plus percent of all smelting is done in China right
And smelting is how you get the ore out of the junk that you bring up right you have to it's a process you have to go through
And they have the market on that yes
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so
Any materials that we use
to build just about anything
Comes through China or goes through China own company at some point in its lifecycle. Yep
and
Where they where they have us by the balls so to speak is in things that are
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Technology related
Right all the materials are there the only thing they don't have direct control over right now is TSMC
Right and if they get control of that though well, they're talking 2025 they told us they flat out told us they're going in in 2025
so
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So the retaliation was not expected experts previously told ours the dus risk
Losing access to rare earth metals critical to manufacturing a wide range of popular products
If it placed any new trade restrictions on China and yesterday
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lin one
Warned at a press conference the China would take measures to safeguard the rights and interests of its firms again
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Not surprising which is funny because we have an institute or anything
It's just the next president coming in is threatening to institute things. So yeah
So that's that's part of this
Part of this article although China's response to the latest curbs was swift and seemingly strong
Experts told ours that China's response to Biden's last round of tariffs was relatively muted
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It's possible that this week span on exports into the US could also be a response to
President-elect Donald Trump's threat to increase tariffs on all Chinese goods once he takes office, which is highly likely
I've already see lists of things you should buy
Before the president gets in the office and adds tariffs on them and most of them are durable goods like you know washers dryers
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Refrigerators all the things that are made abroad even though a lot of more us companies you go world pools the US company
Yeah, that makes everything in China. Yep or abroad. Yeah, so but you're okay if you buy LG or Samsung
I
Guess but there's so much more expensive than whirlpool. Yep that you don't you don't want to do that
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I don't know so you're they're talking about a six hundred dollar
Washer or dryer going to eight hundred dollars. That's quite prohibitive to a lot of people and that's just a tax
It's not that's not the deterring
Whirlpool for manufacturing in China. That's that's not going to change. It's just a tax that goes into
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The coffers of the US government. Yeah, it doesn't help anybody
tariffs are supposed to
encourage
The domestic product purchase, but there is no domestic product purchase for a lot of these things there are not right
And so there are some exceptions and even when he was in office
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He did accept some things that didn't have manufacture here
But he had to be told that because he didn't do the research before he threw the tariff in and then we had to go back and
Say hey, we need an exception here when you exception there when you accept me
You know I cast up but it will hurt us businesses in a world. You hurt us people
It's not going to help us businesses these tariffs
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Not immediately so I don't I don't know what his plan is
Text everything did you see what he said? I mean the in game. Oh
What do you what he talks about and what is in game are are not the same thing
And most of it is that way even China
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Yeah, what they what they talk about doing and what you see them do or not what their in game is
It's how to get to the end game or how to get to the negotiation table for the end game
A lot of the tariffs that we have done in the past that aren't
sanctions
Is just to get negotiation going to
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You know say hey you need to
If you increase your prices will remove the tariffs, you know increase your prices
20% will remove the tariffs just so you know we can
Kind of be on on a closer footing
So I can see that in the area of solar or there's a couple other places where
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Chinese government is selling below cost to drive out other businesses
That makes sense and so you add the tariff because they're cheating. I mean well anything anything
Tech is that way?
Everything tech from China is that way right?
Everything clothing is that way right?
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so
Having putting tariffs on things like that in order to just to get them to not
Undercut even themselves
You know helps but there's a lot of data that shows them undercutting themselves is harming them
Like on a perpetual basis. You know they are there. They're not their growth rate is shrinking
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Yeah, but they're not looking at right now one of the things China does that we don't look at 20 years
Yeah, they've got a 20 year plan and they want to be able to
Take over markets. They want the market share
Right and they want the they want the IP they want to be IP generators and they want the market share
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Because the goals that they have
They're okay with short-term losses
For the longer-term gains from their perspective as long as it happens
I mean there's no guarantee that's gonna happen in 20 years either one of the things that they
the that China's been doing is they've been going into South America and Africa and
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and
you know that they've been
Funnelling money towards these infrastructure projects to improve electricity and water and roads
with
Using not using American dollars right as the base using brick as the base
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to try to
supplant the American dollars the world currency right
But they have to do it with five countries they can't do it
Singly right because none of them are stable enough
That's part of the best part of the big thing that I've said a
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Bunch of times is the brick economies are not stable. We're
Brazil India China Russia
Russia China, but spelling breakout anyway
Here's the thing until you become a more stable place and
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Stable means people are happy
and not wanting to revolt even if they can't revolt yet if they still want to revolt and
Name one of those four
India's the only India's the most stable one
Yes, and I've read articles on why India can't grow it China's rate and can't succeed because of a number of political reasons, but so
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they're
never
going to
supplant the US dollar
Until they do one thing and that's undermine our confidence in ourselves and that's what they're really doing and
That's what they have to do now, right?
because
They've
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Because they can't come up. They have to bring us down. Well, they formed a brick
2020 25 years ago. It was a bit. Yeah
And they've tried various things
And it just hasn't worked for them now you can go in you can do infrastructure product
that one of the reasons why they're targeting
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Africa specifically middle Africa is because we have
We have tried to make inroads in Africa for
Low-skilled manufacturing right which is how we started in India. I was trying to start anywhere right
But the
The reason why middle Africa is because
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Most of the countries and not all but most of the countries in middle Africa are more stable
But their infrastructure is lagging right
So, you know, we can only do so much for infrastructure while trying to get manufactured because these are
These are companies that you know get assistance sort of from the the US government to be able to put things in
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And from the European government to be able to put things in place to make that happen
But there is absolutely no desire
For either
Systems to funnel a whole bunch of money into infrastructure to something that may not work
Just because there's so much destabilizing influence in Africa
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China is of the opinion
We're okay with that. Yeah, we want them on our side. We want them using brick currency
And funding to do this and we will give them
Next to nothing of interest rates just so we can get in the door
Oh and by the way, so that we can get the minerals
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Rights to mine the minerals that are there
Yes, and if we're nice to them, maybe we can get mineral right and you know
Helps in
Helps fight the US really helps fight the West
So yeah, I don't know
Not surprising at all the whoever in this article said that that they were surprised is just not paying attention
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I don't think anybody said they are surprised. I was saying that they
We should have already known this and just been waiting for the shoot drop really
Yeah, and it's going to be around
Stuff that is green because that's where that's I mean they have worked so much on making that
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That technology right cheap
When solar they have put a lot of money and effort into making that those products
Cheaper and being able to flood the market with those things
And you know, that's one litch pin that they have
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batteries the the materials that you need to make batteries, right?
Something like 90% of those materials come from China. Yes, we've talked about that too. Yep
So yes, they have a bit of a string of hope, but whenever they do that to us it does hurt them
Whenever we do that to them it does hurt us, right?
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But I think
in the long run
you know the
My hope is is that the the US side is
Trying to negotiate to shrink the gap between the two
well
And using the threat of tariffs as a way of doing that right and President Trump is
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going to
Probably put a 35% tax on Chinese goods all of them and so that's just gonna end up creating
another recession for us as everything becomes more expensive I
Depends if wages can increase
We already increased wages recently
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We keep increasing the wages of the bottom 25% and it's going to just drive inflation
That's exactly what happened last time
If you can reduce energy costs we can't what do you mean we can't how are you gonna reduce energy costs?
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What's the popular phrase drill baby drill? Yeah, okay
I don't see that I
Don't see that because us producers have a minimum cost that's higher and if we really want to do that
it's gonna be
Combating the Middle East we will drop prices because they know once everybody goes green
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Everything in the ground is worthless again just like it wasn't the 18. But they know
They know not everybody's gonna go green green energy has
limitations it has problems
and
most of most of the
OPEC countries
Their minimum is 80 dollars a barrel
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They cannot sustain their economies and their economies are run on oil is it that high now yes a
Rand our Rand is the closest and they cannot sustain their economy on anything less than 80 dollars a barrel
Okay
So you're talking about fluctuations between 80 and 100
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But we don't buy so before
COVID
We were making it at like 60 something and they drove it down below that to get all of us to stop our pumping
That was on purpose. Yes, right and but now are we anywhere near 80? I bet it's a lot higher. Oh, no
We are below 80. We're still below 80 fracking is around 35 to 40
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Really absolutely okay absolutely
That that even today even today that has allowed a that
the reason why
The costs are high right now or the the base reason why the costs are high right now is
Because we are not in control of our own energy
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Whenever whenever
Whenever we are in control of our own energy
cost go down
Hmm. All right, let's take a quick break come back to do that
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Okay, we are back with old fashions in hand so again
We are trying to build a consortium of walnut bittered. We just need one more we need one more
Wow old fashions and that walnut takes over
Yep, it's very walnutty
So we've made a candy old-fashioned am I wrong? This is a candy or you are not wrong
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So here's the good news super tasty you could down these by the gallon
Yes, you could these are very dangerous, but it's I wouldn't say it's a contention worthy
none of the alcohol
Flavor of the one oh one comes through no it's just a really sweet alcoholic walnut bitter old-fashioned
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Yeah, no no wheelhouse comes through
Tell you what it's pretty tasty though
It is tasty I could make a number of these party
Pray to make them by the pitcher
You could
Mm-hmm
Alright, so the summation on the old-fashioned and I'm not smoking the cigar with this no I'm not either
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It's gonna weigh overwhelming you know what though. I'm gonna take one. I'm gonna take one don't do it. It's not worth it
Still tastes like walnut
We went from earthy leafy dirty dirty leafy to walnut
Talk about woody. Yeah
so
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Totally would recommend this at a party. This would be wonderful at a party, but it's not really what's not
It has no character. It's just
It's just a nice candy drink that people would love. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna rinse with a little water
I'm gonna rinse a little water and then with a little
Then I'll call there may be a little more water
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Yeah before I go back to the cigar
So the wheel horse is a makes a good old-fashioned and at $32
That would not be a bad
you know
Use of its time now. It's a good zipper and again reminds me of other Kentucky Straperman whiskeys
And makes a great walnut better in real fashion, so
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I want to know if number of old number seven makes a good
What makes a candy old-fashioned walnut?
Because we we never done it. Oh, we know it in walnut. Yeah
All right, I know we done we done old number seven on one of the shows. I don't think it was this year
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Well, we didn't think we have so many years doing this
Now this year we have to categorize by years
So midpoints I really wish I had done that old-fashioned. I know it kind of took the steam out of the cigar didn't it? Yeah
I need to rinse more or something tell you what no before
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The midbreak let's say
We had a midpoint that's I'm picturing that again, so it hadn't changed on me same and I'm
Still loving this cigar. It's a really good cigar. I'm very happy with it
It's kind of a little bit faster
Burner then I would like it to be
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Because it is a robusto, right? So it's a little on the smaller side for all of us Toro smokers, but
Does seem to go for flavor
So I've got this so we have a mood lighting I guess right?
It's not it's not harsh lighting at all. It's all the lighting that points out of the ceiling unless the reflection go yeah, and
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So there's an area on the cigar where where the of Vayne is on the wrapper, okay?
And it produces a little bit of a shadow
It's not it's not really 3d, but it's got a slight darker color right around there
And every time I look at it the way that it's shaped I think I've got a flaw in the wrapper
I don't I don't but because of the lighting and how that looks it looks like it
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And it's the only place on the cigar that looks that way
But I keep but you know, it's not
And I'm getting them the reason why I bring that up is because my burn line is getting close to that
And so it's more prevalent in my field of vision
and
Because I look at my burn line. I like the burn line
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Well a little a little bit of the wheel horse and a little bit of water
I think I've gotten the cigar back to where I'm like, yeah, that's the flavor of the cigar
But so it's very very nice cigar. It's got those again
Like we said before it hasn't transitioned right?
so I like the combination of the dirty leaves and and and
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Right up my wheelhouse is always the baking spice cigar
It's one of the reasons I adore the Ventura lines. They have Ventura lines are almost all baking spice cigars
There's a few exceptions
But I tend to gravitate towards the baking spice cigars
Absolutely. There's no reason not to
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Especially
Especially if you're gonna smoke every day
Get something that's more along those lines, right?
But there are times when I just I want I want a bold down to dirty
musty, you know, just
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Musty you know, I'm a fan of must yeah, yeah
And there there are times that you know, I like I like mild cigars
But no matter no matter what it is mild medium bold. I want
Some kind of flavor, right? I don't want it to be bland, right?
I'm not smoking for it to be bland. I'm smoking to get the flavors out of it, right?
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even when
You know, I couldn't pick out flavors in cigars and just you
What was your quote smacks of tobacco, right even even back then it was still a
flavor component not
Just to produce, you know, not just to take leaves and make a mash
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It was for the flavor component if I don't like how it tastes
I don't want to do it same with my liquor. If I don't like how it tastes, I'm not gonna drink it
I want it. I want to taste something and I want it to be pleasant
Pleasant to me at least so yeah, I
Forgot where I was going with that
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Again that you also are kind of in line with the baking spice again
And yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where this where I am and I
Mean that's why we'll look at our our top six
They all absolutely run in the medium
That are highly flavorful and the baking spice kind of way
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Yeah, probably the most bold one on the top five is the Coheba Blue
And it's not really that bold. It's not
It's not
Now I would say the top ten have yeah, yeah, or mostly that way as well, right?
Maybe one or two exceptions including the blue
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so
Okay, you got a I mean
Okay, so that's in and of itself that's almost being in a wheelhouse, right?
But it gives you it's a wheelhouse that has a a broader
line of
Cigars in front of it then just picking this cigar and stain there. Yep
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So yeah
Now one thing that I do a
Lot is when I find somebody who is like this is I do that a lot
Yeah
My find somebody who's like this is my cigar and this is what I smoke. I ask them. What do you like about it?
Right and a little challenge now internationally again a
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lot of people
they just go oh, this is the cigar and
it's like I don't know second or third one I tried and
The other ones were harsh or I didn't like them and so I like this one and then they they ended their journey there
Yep, and I think that's the most common answer I get is
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I had a few I didn't like them. I like this one and I stopped and
I go what do you like about it and usually the answer is it's actually pretty similar to people's answers for liquor and
The answer is usually it's smooth
Like well, that doesn't mean a lot and
but I get it. I know what you mean, but
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We're not usually picking out a flavor. They like it's usually just that it's not aggressive
Yeah, and I mean we were there at one point
Everybody's done it who got past it, but some people are still
Not venturing out so and that's why we keep telling people to venture out well and sometimes you have to know
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that
These things exist that you get all these
You know
overly detailed descriptions of all these weird flavors, you know that people put out like
You know graphite
Graphite I was thinking more like a orange peel on a sunny morning. No, okay, right? You know something like that
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And you're like yeah, whatever
but
Orange right leather
Earth leaves right cardboard graphite
You know, baby powder baby powder
Absolutely not mag
You get these things and
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But you have to you have to realize you have to kiss some frogs
And you have to think about it, right?
You have to think about it and getting a printing out a flavor wheel and looking at the flavor wheel while you're smoking the
Suhara I
Think is the best way to start you down that path. We said this a lot. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we keep saying it now
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I hope people are hearing it because
There's so many cigars. I would have never tried if we hadn't done the show and
That's fact I am regretful that that's the only thing that put me on my path
Like I would have never gone on this path that then then it took so long together
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I mean we all the stars were a lot of years. Yeah, but all the different cigars we missed out on right exactly
But you got to start somewhere and
I'm gonna start today if you're smoking cigars and you have yours and that's what you do more power to you
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but
If you're listening to this on your morning drive or your evening drive
go out
To a tobacconist go find your local cigar shop wherever you buy your cigars wherever you do
I don't know what you do and
Ask the tobacconist. Hey, what do you think's interesting?
Just start with that. Yeah, they'll ask you some follow-up questions like what do you like and maybe your answer is I?
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Like this cigar or I don't know what I like
Just take a recommendation and try it. They've been around. They've smoked everything in the shop
it's sort of like when I go into a restaurant, I've never been in and
you know
Either the waiter or waitress says hey, what do you want? I go what's uh, I do bartenders too. I go what's uh
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What's the cook good at?
What or I asked the bartender? What's your best? What do you would drink do you make best?
It may not be one I necessarily want. What do you think you make best? Let me try that
Because if they make that best
That's probably not a lie
You know and same with the cook same with the chef you go what what do you make well?
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Let me just try it not well done. Yeah, I know I like extra extra rare
So I I say do that just go to your tobacconist and go hey, give me a recommendation and then try it yep and
Mass majority tobacconist out there are more than willing to help you out more than have an opinion. Yes
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Yes, they all have opinions
Now what I don't here's what you don't do
If they so I see this a lot of tobacco shops
So and so it's got a picture and it's by a box. So when so is pick of the month or whatever
Don't do that
Talk to them a lot of the times. I see that pick of the month. I go okay. I see it
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You're trying to sell an expensive cigar some of them aren't that way, but though many are and
Ask just ask and ask for a story
So once they give you the story it may or may not be that box no it may not it may be that box
It could be one of the honest ones, but sometimes I think they're it's up there to try move something or the person doesn't know
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What to put up but get the story get the story
listen to them and try something new and
You might find something like better than your smoking now. I fully agree don't get me wrong
But I'm gonna throw another little piece of advice out there
The cigar that you have or the cigars that you have that you like right now that you buy right now
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Print you out of flavor will smoke that cigar and
Try to pick out flavors of that cigar figure out what you like you do that with the cigars that you have
You'll probably find a commonality
Probably yeah, no, I agree with that completely and then go to your tobaccaness and say hey, I like this
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Do you have you know? I I smoked this I smoked this do you have something else along this line?
Yes, that's another great one just to branch out a little bit
It's like a better know what it is that you're doing now
Yeah, it's sort of like a Pandora recommendation if you get in the if you get in the one group that you like
You go things like this in Pandora makes recommendations. So will your tobaccaness
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Absolutely you find a song you like the year before
That's from a group you've never even never ever heard of and that's what that's what we're looking for in
The cigar that we're trying to recommend to you is and find the next one and this point in time is a
Stupendous time to be branching out
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Even better than the 90s even better than the 90s night when night when the night. Oh came out in the 90s boom went
Everybody thought it was a great time and it was now is even better. Yes
Trust me I've been so many since then yeah, so many different facing so many different manufacturers so many different
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variety of blends just yeah even more seed varieties that people have created since then it's amazing what they're making now
I would have never thought that we would get the variety and flavor distinctions we get now
back in the 90s and
once you once you get past that initial point and you're
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Starting to branch out and try different things and you're not gonna love everything you try. Nope
There gonna be some other that's just because there's gonna be some frogs there are gonna be some frogs just because
You come across a frog
Don't stop trying different things it could be a bit in next one
There's probably gonna be more that you like than you don't yeah keep in mind
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you know what strength level you're at
what flavor profile you're at and
Just start trying things
right and
Invite people along your journey. Yeah, that's how we grow this community
Yep, no, that's a that's a good one too a lot of a lot of really great
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Recommendations came from friends of mine who was like hey, I had this cigar
You should try it and then I try it and there's fewer frogs in that group
Yeah, so I would hope so I would hope so
Oh, you're palant my power not the same
But for the most part
Uh, they're they're better just like a drink just like a wine just
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You know a movie a movie, you know, I don't take your recommendations for movies anymore, right? Yeah
If you recommend a movie I'm like, okay, definitely don't watch that one
There are a couple there's no there's a few there's some good classics that you you got a taste for that are good
(49:27):
but the um, what's the what's the one that was expendables?
Yeah, you can suck at the most spendables
ridiculous
uh
I haven't liked an expendable since one one was okay and after that. Oh, jeez what no
But we saw
What was that? Expendables two? I think it was yes, you loved it where where the where Jean Club band am was the bad guy
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we
we watched that at something like a studio movie grill
and
the entire audience
Was engaged
We were all making fun of it. Yeah, we were all laughing at it. We were all I mean we were all having an that
I
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Right there
Oh, I make makes that a winner for me
I made plenty of fun of it because I will watch it
You know, it'll come on tv or something and I will watch part of it and I will remember
That that feeling that emotion or whatever you as you want to call it, you know that situation and
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That's not how you pitched it to me though. No, it's not how I pitched it to you
That's why I that's why I was like, right?
How I pitched it to you was terrible
It was mystery science theater esque
Oh, it was
worthy of mystery science so worthy
That's all I did the whole time
That's all I did the whole that's what most of the people in the theater did the whole time say that no I didn't say that
(51:01):
Sometimes I have a problem communicating
Says a co-host of us
also hit
But um
I do like some classics cost of long because one of my favorite movies ever oh
So the one I had I had actually seen it
(51:25):
But I had no movie quoted more than cost of long. That's true, but our sneaking old lace was really great
I love our I hadn't seen it in 20 years and you recommended it. I'm like that sounds familiar
And I remembered it as I watched it. I'm like, oh, how did I not watch this again?
That was a really great one. So you've got good good. You've run cotton cold
(51:46):
I have to put some on my mood
I think we've made our point again with try more things. I will
I will watch just about any movie that has christopher walking in it same or and
Anything that has christopher walking in it even it's the movie itself sucks
Yeah, yeah like a watch walking I watch what whatever me whatever that blood diamond movie was oh
(52:13):
I can't think of it now. I had that
Decaprio whatever his name is guy in it that movie sucked except for walking
He was the best part of that movie. Yeah, there's some guys. I will watch no matter what they're in
Yeah
I think the same machine me. Bishimi and pit. Oh, yeah, bishimi and pit. Not pit, but bishimi. Definitely. I like pit
(52:42):
As far as I'm concerned Brad Pitt's best part was in truer romance, right where he played the druggie on the couch. You mentioned that
Yeah
Second best I would have to say is
Mr. Mrs. Smith
Okay, no, that's a good one. That's a good one and I'll tell you why I liked him in that one
(53:05):
Because he had a range
It was you know
Nice, you know
Family guy at the house with the neighbors right and then badass guy
stupid badass guy
Which he was not and I I like that I like that
That's
(53:27):
That's what I want to see out of an actor is you know differences
Okay, how about that?
Anyway
Yeah, no, he's he's one I'll watch
but although I will say right away I'm not watched everything he's made because so much so much about it is
is just
the same
(53:48):
And it gets born
Okay
I
And even one of your favorite movies the fight club
Oh my god fight club. He's just so much the same there. He doesn't stretch
What's the guy with the nose that did like risky business
(54:10):
Top gun. Oh
Um
You shouldn't look on that. That is a bad sign. Whatever his name is Tom Cruise. Yeah, Tom Cruise
At least he does roles that have range
Oh, and I'm not a huge fan of him. He's got some really good movies. Yeah, I'll give you that
Yeah, and he's got he does movies where he's got range as an actor
(54:36):
And if you're acting
You're playing a part
Do the range anyway? It's my pet peeve. All right. Let's rank this thing
Oh
I'm excited. I'm curious. I'm both I'm curious for me and for you
(55:00):
Okay, I do like this cigar quite a bit so I mean it's gonna be in the top half for sure Zeez
Okay, so here you go. Okay, you rank this sucker
And
Let's see what we got here
You know, we're we're nearing the end of the year too. We don't have a lot more
(55:25):
We are decisions to fill. This is the 50th cigar that we are ranking. It is. I know right like wow
So me me and joyo
Me and joyo were at a waffle house
And we were in a booth and then this this guy was in the booth behind us and this lady comes in sits down with him
(55:48):
and
Every other word out of her mouth
Was I know right? I know right?
And every other word out of his mouth was like like like
So so you're here like this like this like this and she's like I know right. I know right. I know right. I know
So I call my
God you people deserve each other but not next to us leave
(56:16):
All right, well, I moved this guy pretty high actually
Wow, you really did I did okay
Did I go over what you expected?
So
Okay, I had two places. I would have placed this
I would have placed this at the number 10 spot. Okay
(56:37):
Which would have put it just above the rocket patel so not too far
60 and right below the alic bread right below the adventura luleroa
and
I I also thought it was kind of fitting
Uh in the number 20 slot between the rocket patel
dbs and this cao flathead
Yeah, but there was a couple in there that I liked uh
(57:00):
You know
But not quite as much so I pushed it a bit higher
You did so darrell wound up putting this in the number eight slot
Which is uh just below the laura roramadoro and just above the evager luleroa
Uh, so why did you choose this spot? So
(57:21):
the
We had recently had the lorora
And and that's got some play some flavor with cigar
Yeah, and it's it's a little bit more, you know medium medium bold. It's a bit bolder than this one
Yeah, it's got some it's got some some earthy tones to it
It's got more bold flavors to it. The laura roramadoro while it's a maduro
(57:46):
Uh and
Yeah, it kind of falls close to there
Just seems I don't know
Well, I I just had a problem putting it above the laura. I really liked that
and
And I actually really debated
On the evancura was above or below and I just I just decided to put it slightly above
(58:10):
But it almost landed just below so really just I only had one slot
consternation
Well, I I had two
Um, but they were I mean it was more than halfway up the list
So
Wow, nice. It was very nice. So this time I'm going to do a 10
(58:32):
10 down
uh, so
Number 10 is rocket because where's the end of the year? You might as well do a top 10 list might as well
uh rocket to tell 60
Number nine evancura laura
laura rona. Sorry
this cigar the the alex bradley, uh
Crow yolio
(58:54):
At number eight
The koi I think it's quite old quite quite quite yes that
No numbers
We need to figure out how that's pronounced. Yeah number seven the laura, uh,
Maduro number six rojas blue bonnet number five cojiba blue number four
Alec bradley lost art number three cobwell long lived the king number two evancura explorer and number one
(59:21):
obstacle
2012
2012 I got to find some more of those. Yeah, you do the years almost over found them
Uh, wow, we got we got a list going man. We got 50 of them now. That's a good list
It's a 50 so we need the
We're gonna have to do something soon
(59:44):
We we're about to wrap it up for the year we are that's
It's exciting and sad at the same time is
It is
So
When we first started doing the ranking
It was it was pretty easy on the outset sure of course when we got about 15
(01:00:07):
Yeah, it's challenging started, but look you've got to remember
Yes
And we're bad at remembering
Well
It's not bad. It's not just that but you change a lot in the course of a year
Yeah, and you change a lot from week to week. Yes
And what you've had that day and what went on that day it it it affects
(01:00:31):
so it's
It's been interesting, but I do like it when you get like a last minute entry who rockets up
Like last and this one did yes. It you know, this is a good example. Yeah top 10
the late stage right and
You've in the other is of course the la rora that surprised us both. Yep
(01:00:54):
Really it was like whoa
Yes, wow. So you know
That's kind of the exciting part right is when you can come in late and not land in the middle and you can you can
find one that wow
Look at that one go like imagine on week 52 you find the number one cigar of the year
(01:01:15):
Right. That'd be weird. Wouldn't that be weird be weird but awesome. It would kind of be awesome, but it would be weird
And at the same time
You have this little consternation
Right because the the the the three rocket patel or rocket the three
um
Pradomos that we did. Yeah, the only one that was on this list was the Maduro
(01:01:42):
Right the other two the sun groan and the and the
Connecticut or
Connecticut are you talking to all the 30-year line or just yeah, yeah the 30
So the other two were in the previous year. We didn't rate those right
And you know at the beginning of the year we're like yeah, we was but you know
(01:02:05):
They were
Right, but we didn't do those that year
So, you know
It makes you think should we do
Should we
Hey, here's a year, man. What are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah
I mean you do have to draw the line somewhere you have to have a start and you have to have a finish
We go by calendar year and we're going by calendar year
(01:02:28):
So
We're not even going by anniversary of the show now we're going by calendar year, right?
Which makes it simple for us. Yeah, because we're simple
We are simple
But the ranking has been damn cool. It's been really cool. I enjoy it
Yeah, maybe next year we'll rank liquor. We're gonna yeah
(01:02:54):
You'll do the liquor. I'll do the cigars. I will
I feel mad. We'll see how that goes. So do I
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