March 17, 2025 • 58 mins
They talk quite a while about the 20th Anniversary stick and Perdomo in general. There are still more TPE 2025 clips including Perdomo, Arista, and Meier & Dutch. They smoke the Perdomo 20th Anniversary Maduro and drink the Diplomatico Mantuano. Their tech talk is around a new material 5X the strength of Titanium and light as foam.
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Welcome to the newest episode in this episode.
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We're having the Prudomo 20th anniversary Maduro
and with it, Diplomatico's Montewano.
This will be very cool.
This will be very cool.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right.
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Well, the Prudomo 20th anniversary Maduro is a 56 by 6 hours
is the one we're smoking.
It comes in many sizes.
Comes in several, yeah.
Here's the key.
This is where the extra comes in.
Extra.
It's an eight-year-old Cuban seed
Nicaraguan Maduro wrapper that are then barrel aged
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in bourbon barrels for 14 months.
Oh, man.
They pair that with Nicaraguan binders and fillers.
Not so surprising.
MSRP is $11.
That's the other surprising part.
That is the real surprising part.
You've got an eight-year-old wrapper that is then
aged in bourbon barrels.
Yep.
And it still comes in right around $10.
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And we'll talk about this here in a few.
You've got to finish getting through the intro.
Yep.
Diplomatico Montewano bottled it 80 proof
MSRP, very reasonable 26.
One of my favorite rom.
For those that don't know, this is a rom.
Mm-hmm.
And now I like what they did on the bottle
because they have both RON, which is the Spanish spelling
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of rum, and RUM, the English spelling of rum,
and the Indian spelling of rum, RHUM.
They put all three on this bottle, not right up front,
just off to the side, but.
Bringing the heavy.
You know, they're marketing to everybody.
They do not care where you're from.
They should not care.
They don't care what your skin color is.
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They don't care how you speak.
I printed in every language.
I printed every language on a bottle of house selling my bottles.
Yeah, as long as you had a big enough bottle, do that, sure.
Small enough prints.
So, Pradomo 20th anniversary of the girl, bourbon barrel,
aged, we were there.
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Yeah. It was completely awesome.
It is a tour I cannot recommend enough.
I can't either. It was such a great tour.
Yeah. Now, you do have to mind your fluid intake
as you're driving along the Pan American highway
because there are not that many restaurants.
There's one. There's one.
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Yeah, there's one in three hours.
Yeah, two hours, two hours.
So, I think it was like a three hour drive
from the airport to the facility.
Yeah. Now, if you guy, it's a little bit easier
and you have an empty bottle.
Mm, not really.
Let's not say that is a thing because I'm not doing that.
I'm seriously not doing that.
No, I beaded my liquid intake during that trip.
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I did too. And before the trip
because he mentioned it the night before.
Yeah, yeah. So, I took he did that.
Our tour was M.C.D. by Art Kemper, VP.
Oh, wonderful. Wonderful tour guy.
A guy. And the tour we went on his,
that was his wife's first time.
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That was hilarious. That was fabulous.
20-some idea she'd never been there.
And that was her tour.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
And she's a San Antonio gal
and we hit it off pretty, pretty good.
And we had a good time.
More than a couple Texas people there.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Everybody had a good time. Nobody didn't.
But the bourbon barrel, it sounds,
most of the word kitschy or something like that, gimmicky, right?
Yeah. It sounds gimmicky.
But when you walk into that room
or they have some barrels.
Oh, yeah.
And then they...
It's like walking the distillery with all the aging barrels.
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Yes. Yeah.
And then, you know, you've got three,
they had three, one for each wrapper type.
That they had open for us and you could put your head in it.
Yes, I did. Oh my God.
That was awesome. Yeah.
That was awesome.
It works. It really works.
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It's not just a gimmick.
It actually does something,
especially when you leave it in long enough,
which they do.
14 months.
There's a lot of finishing barrels that don't do 14 months.
Absolutely.
It was really, really, really, really good.
I love smelling those barrels.
There are a lot of gilisias.
There are a lot of gilisias that aren't aged 14 months.
Those were delicious.
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Those barrels just smelled delicious.
I left my head in there for a while.
It was awesome being in that room.
Although, on the tour, it's funny, we did all three.
And my favorite was the sun groan,
because normally I'm a Maduro guy.
Yep. Yep.
My favorite was the sun groan.
And they even mentioned that.
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You don't know? Try everything.
Yes. I was like, oh my God.
Which is what we tell people to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
And sun groan just wasn't on my radar, really.
No, let me rephrase that.
That's what we recommend people to do.
We don't tell people to do anything.
It's a good point.
That's right.
Stamps to that.
That's a good point.
So, but it was a great tour, and these are great sticks.
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And here we are, having one in 2025.
Fabulous.
Yeah, I had a whole box of these.
I say had.
Because I think these are the last two.
Smoked them all.
So one of the.
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There wasn't any big revelation for me in doing what you were talking about, right?
Because what happened?
No, same.
He had three.
They were like half sticks, right?
Smaller gauge.
I would call them Sigurello.
They were small.
They were even smaller than that.
It was still the same blend.
It's not like they were Corona's.
They were Sigurello's almost.
Yeah, but it was still the same blend.
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And all three different wrappers, and you did it blindfolded.
Yeah, so that was the champagne.
That was the champagne binder and filler with three different wrappers.
OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we also got all three of the 20s.
And the point is still the same.
If you did this blindfolded, you will find out what you really like.
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And now it's great for me.
There were several people there that were quite surprised off of what they picked.
And you didn't do this yourself.
You've gotten pairs.
Yeah.
You know, and somebody somebody would light it for you.
And you know, you would use that they would put the ashtray for you and hand you
the next one.
And you know, you were blindfolded the entire time.
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You couldn't see a thing, but you had somebody there to help you out.
And there were quite a few people that were surprised of what they picked.
When it got to when it when he got to me, it's like, I'm not surprised.
I like all three of these.
Right.
Right.
It's for me, it's more about how I feel that day, what I what I experienced that day.
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Right.
It's not I like this wrapper above any others for the same flavor profile or
said same blend.
Yeah, it's just I was a little surprised because I do smoke a lot of my duros.
And of the three, the Maduro is my least favorite.
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Like that was my third place.
Well, the sun girl was my first place.
So that's surprising is I do like my duros.
I spoke with duros.
I have the duros in the humidor.
But I like the duros that have a good flavor that I can get the flavors out of.
Yeah, not because they're Maduro.
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See, I think what it was was the champagne wasn't blended to have a Maduro
wrapper.
So when you put a Maduro wrapper on there, it did detract it.
OK, OK, yeah, I could see that I could see that.
But I still want to be the way.
I still enjoyed it.
I really like the sun groan.
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And I think the
was it the Connecticut was the other one?
Yeah, the Connecticut was the one that I picked out of the three for that day.
OK, yeah.
But realistically, I have no problem with any of them.
Yeah, no, I had I didn't I didn't have a really champagne.
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I thought it was the thought it was the barrel age.
My record. No, my my recollection was the champagne, a binder and filler.
But the the the three because they gave us all three of the 20s, which I was
pretty impressed with, right?
Because you can you can give away a lot of the your basic stuff pretty easily, right?
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But you got some premium stuff you give away.
That's pretty nice premium.
Premium.
But you only at the same time, this is 11 hour premium cigar.
That's it's not that's not such a high hurdle, is it?
You got to be paying 10 dollars for stick anywhere.
Absolutely.
And you pay a whole lot more.
And I'm just saying that in Texas.
There's I know there's people farther northeast of us going $10.
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You know, they're they're they're budget.
They're budget sticks or $10.
Right. So I'm I'm saying for our area area area.
Yeah.
The one thing about this particular cigar,
especially with the Maduro wrapper is I don't get that nice pretty white
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ass with the dark wrapper.
And you know, I enjoy this really do I do.
It's pleasant to me.
I'd like seeing that.
Do you want to talk about the cigar even more?
Since now it's probably settled in
because we haven't been talking about the cigar.
I'm not getting where you're going.
The actual flavors we're experiencing right now.
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So first I'm going to I know it sounds funny.
I'm going to lead with the retro.
So bear in mind for this.
That does not sound.
This is a medium bold.
Right.
This is on the bold side.
It will build a mouth coating.
It is potent.
It is strong.
So the and the retro hill reflects that it is a strong retro hill.
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It's peppery and you want but small amounts still add an enormous amount of flavor.
It's wonderful.
So if you don't retro hill, it takes a bit of an approach to figure out how to retro
hell, right?
Yeah, it does.
It does.
So don't start with your medium bold and retro hill a little bit of that because you're
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probably going to mess it up and you're going to go, oh my gosh.
Start light.
Start light.
Although some of those light cigars come off really.
There's I think Connecticut's with really potent retro hills, but but.
For people that smoked cigarettes prior to smoking cigars,
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they're not going to have a problem.
Retro hills is easy, but you if you're just starting out, if you're if you're coming
from that and you're just starting out, remember, unlike with a cigarette, do not
blow everything you suck in through your nose.
Oh, some people do with cigarettes.
I've seen it with cigarettes.
Yes.
But with a bold cigar like this, a bomb in the retro hill like this is.
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Yeah.
Do not do that.
You will hurt yourself.
So that being said, the actual draw, not, not, I don't catch his pepper.
It's not a pepper.
It all, you know, I don't think it's very appropriate.
That's not, that's not its forward flavor.
No, no.
Yeah.
Good.
Okay.
So as I want people to think this was a pepper bomb, it's a pepper bomb through your nose.
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Absolutely.
So go light through the nose because it's still on the flavors.
It's really nice.
So I'm going to take it that you are getting a nice earth component out of this.
Mm.
Yeah.
Oh, this is super earth.
Yes.
Super earth, not, not a nice earth.
This is super earth.
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Well, to me, this is dirt earth.
Yeah.
Absolute dirt earth.
You could throw in a little, you know, decomposing leaves in there if you want to, but it is dirt frickin earth.
Yeah.
Dirt earth after a rain with a little ozone kind of in the air.
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Yeah.
With an oak tree hanging over that spot.
It's with the, yeah.
It's, this is a super earth cigar and it's a really great earth cigar.
Like it, it wraps its arms around earth and welcomes it fully.
Yeah.
If you're all about mother earth, this is a cigar for you.
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And like I said, it builds a mouth coating, but it's not, it doesn't build it in the back of your throat.
It doesn't, it doesn't give you that.
Yeah.
I hate that.
It doesn't do that.
Nope.
They, they did a very good job.
This is a great anniversary stick.
Good.
Medium bold.
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On the bold side.
Does not wreck your palate.
No, actually it doesn't.
That's nice.
Yeah.
Exactly.
While it is a medium bold.
The mouth coating.
Doesn't, it's not instant.
It does need to build.
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And it doesn't.
Hurt.
Yeah.
If that makes any sense whatsoever.
Cause there are some cigars out there that are just so bold.
They hurt.
They can hurt.
Yeah.
This doesn't.
And no nicotine punch out of this.
It's, it is a beautiful cigar.
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And it has a long finish.
And there's a little bit of paper in the finish.
So the earth subsides and then you get a little bit burst of paper.
And I like that.
I like that.
It, it, it, it gives me the feeling.
It's like, oh, I'm bold.
Baby subtle to.
I like that.
Cause paper is a subtle flavor.
Paper is paper.
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So when you get to bold, or and then paper and you're like, oh, that's nice.
Yeah.
See how I was going for more like a dry kind of a graphite in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a, there's a dryer powdery component because it's not a creamy mouth.
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It's a dry mouth.
Yes.
So, but that's, it's still great.
If you like creamy mouth.
Feel this isn't for you.
But if you love earth, this is an earth bomb earth.
I love it.
This is extremely earth.
It is fabulous.
And 11 dollars.
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Right.
So let's hear from them.
Oh, let's do it.
We're visiting the Pradomo's at TPE 2025.
We're here with junior in the flesh.
Hi, Harry.
I'm Nicholas Pradomo, the third and I'm very happy to be here and at TPE 2025.
And a big year for us at Pradomo 2025.
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And we're looking, I'm looking forward to releasing a cigar at the PCA trade show.
It's going to be called the Pradomo legacy.
It's a cigar that I blended and out of my dad, Nick Pradomo, Jr.
So I'm very proud of this moment that we're going to have here in the very near future.
It's a cigar we're going to be releasing in May of 25.
So it's coming very soon.
We get a lot of questions about the cigar, lots of things.
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So I'm excited to share it very soon in the next couple of months with our very loyal consumer
basis.
We call our Pradomo army.
So we're very blessed.
And again, I'm very happy to be here at TPE.
And thank you.
We're excited for the release.
Can't wait.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
So I do want to say I said junior because the rep that was there said, Hey, he's juniors
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in the booth.
He's talking to somebody right now.
Give us a second.
I'm like, yeah, sure.
I got time.
So I thought maybe people casually called him junior.
I understood.
Okay.
I said junior.
I apologize to him afterwards.
I said, he said that.
So I thought maybe that was a nickname or something you went by.
And he's like, no, no, it's fine.
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I got it.
He's fine.
He wasn't bothered by it at all.
But I did say, I knew it wasn't him when I saw him.
I knew it wasn't Nick Jr. Oh, yeah.
But I thought it was a nickname for him like a term of a new man.
People don't use the third.
So I figured they had a nickname for him.
I think he wanted to clarify because he was on audio.
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Yes.
Yeah.
But he didn't carry.
It was fine.
But I do apologize to both the listeners and I already apologized to him.
But real nice.
Perdomo Booth looked really good this year as always.
And they were, they were super nice.
So it's funny.
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Nick is very.
Very bold about his opinions.
He is Nick Jr.
Nick the third, not quite as much.
No, he's more casual.
And yet he he has that he has that that that that voice of his dad.
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I was going to say I was coming through there.
He still has a presence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's a I really like him.
Yeah.
I think I think he's an awesome dude.
I like his dad too, but I really like him.
And you know, once once the torch does get passed, I think it's going to be in great hands with the third.
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I think so too.
It's just it's really nice to see to Perdomo's come up.
It's like everybody everybody starts as a boutique at some point.
And they just took the industry by storm and became Perdomo.
Yeah.
Well, I was now Perdomo.
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So Nick Perdomo Jr.
He has an energy that just will not stop.
Even it is.
And it's infectious.
And it is very much so.
But he traveled.
He went everywhere.
He still does.
A lot of stores, a lot of travel.
Yeah.
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And somebody still does.
He he just he went out there and he he just he won people over and he was one of the early adopters of the new styles of marketing.
Oh, that's an understatement.
That's that's actually a big part of the tour is.
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Yes, we did this.
What do you think of this display and this display and they had two side by side displays and everybody's like, yeah, that display.
Yeah, it's obvious when you see them side by side.
And I hear it's traditional.
Here's what we wanted to do.
And oh, it pops.
Yeah.
And I don't know who was the first ones to do the hangers, but I think it was them.
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I thought they said that, didn't they?
I think it was them.
But even before the hangers, everything was lined up, put together.
So, you know, it flowed.
Yeah.
Color wise, big and the guy.
Yep.
Yeah.
They use the science of how people pick stuff.
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Yes.
To do their to do their own.
They did their marketing.
And of course, having having people there in the stores, doing events, getting a face out there.
I mean, if you want a benchmark for doing all of these things, Pradomo is it.
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It is.
They they understood marking in a way that people at the time they were coming up did not do.
Yep.
Everybody doesn't now.
But at the at the time, it was it was kind of shaking the tree.
It was.
Right.
You don't do this.
Cigars are very prestigious.
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You you act.
And subtle.
Yeah.
You know, you you act upper crust and all this and Nick is like, fuck that.
I was in the Navy.
Let's go.
And they even talked about how like the yellow cello they put on the champagne.
Yeah.
Was it choice?
Yeah.
They didn't accidentally get an order of yellow cello and go, but that's not wasted.
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They did that.
And they were adding more colors to sell those.
And they were doing I mean, it was a really great tour, but I think they revolutionized the
industry in the area of marketing.
Yes.
A lot of people make great blends and they make great blends, but they make great blends and
had superior marketing.
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And I think that launched them in a way that nobody had been launched before.
And then everybody said, well, we better launch that way too.
We better start doing something.
Right.
We've got a good looking logo, but when you have that on the inside of your lid, you barely see the inside lid on the shelf.
We need to do something else.
Yeah.
It was wonderful.
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Yeah.
They they have been.
In your face marketing, which is what consumers need.
They do need to be guided.
What the advent of the of the shelf tags.
You now have a silent salesman.
So somebody goes in, they can look and read and find out about the different sticks and make a choice.
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From that.
Yeah.
I know we're pretty far in, but we should probably say something about the Monte Carlo.
We have and heavily.
We have not.
So knows like it's a rum.
It's vanilla.
It's really wrong.
It's an 80 per from.
Here's the thing.
I really like this vanilla because it's a strong vanilla without tasting like an artificial vanilla.
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You know what I mean?
I absolutely do know what you mean.
Yeah.
Because the wife made her own vanilla.
And that the jar that it soaks in.
I mean, we take off that lid.
It's yeah.
Free damn awesome.
Yeah.
And it's not unlike this.
Yeah.
And so that that's since she did that, that's kind of become the benchmark for me for what I call vanilla.
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Yes.
Because it is so in your face.
And the Montewano has that aroma.
Yeah.
So it's it's a super vanilla.
But the flavor of it is more muted than that.
It is.
It is.
But the aroma is very much there.
And that's what that's what makes it stand.
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So I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that's what makes it stand out as as a liquor is is just the great aroma that it is.
And it leans on the sweet side.
So this isn't a middle of the road.
It's not quite sweet and not quite dry.
It's on the sweet side, but not.
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Well, it's really nice.
Yeah.
Yes.
But it does have a dry finish.
Yeah.
And it's a really great balance.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Aside from the price point, that's why we like it so much.
Yes.
Why?
So I used to have at all times a bottle of pirate.
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Yeah.
We slayed.
I don't even know how many bottles of pirate.
A lot of corks up there.
Yeah.
Until when?
Until we found this bottle.
Yeah.
And then.
Cost less.
No, cost the same.
Cost the same.
Yeah.
The right around there.
And taste good smells good.
Yeah.
And on the bottle fits on the shelf better.
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Yeah.
But at the same time, better flavor, same price fits on the shelf better.
And it replaced it so fast.
Very fast.
It was amazing how fast it replaced it.
Yeah.
But I'm you shouldn't be the one to talk about that.
Because whiskey supplanted.
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In your house.
Almost as fast faster than the Montewano supplanted.
Yes.
I think it did.
Yeah.
Once I discovered whiskey, it was just bam.
It just overtook.
Which is funny because I was a rum guy.
You were a vodka guy.
Yeah.
And yet the thing we have the most of are whiskey and bourbon.
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Yeah.
I want to say whiskey because it's a general term.
I don't want to just say bourbon's.
I have all kinds of whiskeys.
I'm a huge fan of the fishing barrels, you know.
Yep.
So not a surprise that I just say whiskey, not bourbon.
Yeah.
Okay.
We have a lot of bourbon's don't get me wrong.
How about that?
But whiskey definitely took over both of our primaries very quickly.
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Well, now that we've.
We did the nation.
Now that we spent half a show talking about the cigar and a moment talking about the Montewano,
how about we take a break, come back and do it again?
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All right.
Well, it's a midpoint, but we really talked about the scar the entire time.
So I don't know that we need to talk about a midpoint so much.
We really did.
And right before the midpoint, we were talking about the scar leaning up to it, but we talked
about the Montewano right before the break.
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So let's consider the midpoint done.
Cool.
Because we know that Perdomo cigars do not transition.
Now, well, they know things I like about them.
So I transition more than they do.
Not that kind of thing.
Not going there.
Not going there.
That's between you and your wife.
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So we have more to listen to.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Here we are at TP 25.
I've got Kevin with every step cigars.
What have you got this year that you're excited about Kevin?
Well, first I'm excited to see you guys here, man.
Thank you so much for coming out and talking with us and spending some time with us.
TP is a great show for us.
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We have a lot of fun.
It's kind of a weird show because it's a mix of everything you'd find in a cigar shop
or smoke shop or sometimes down in homeless row.
You know what I mean?
You never know.
But today we're really excited about our flagship Artista.
We have three different blends in the Artista lineup.
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We've got Midnight, Fallew, and Harvest.
On the Fallew, we're super excited because it just got top 25 of 2024 from Cigar Journal.
Got number 14.
Nice.
So that industry recognition is huge for us.
We know it's a good cigar, but it's nice when other people say it too.
The Fallew has got a Connecticut broadleaf wrapper from the Amish in Pennsylvania.
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It's going to give you a little hints of cranberry and cracked black pepper.
Really?
Yeah.
It's really good.
But you know, you boys should try it yourselves.
You tell me.
Okay.
And so we've got a few other things, but these are the ones that you're excited about this
year and your staple line is still in regular production.
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You're not pulling anything out.
Everything's still on shelves.
Correct.
Correct.
So we keep adding more to our flagship, our Tista.
I mean, everybody pretty much knows this for the Buffalo 10.
Right.
And it makes sense.
It's a great stick for six bucks, you know.
Right.
We will continue to grow the Buffalo 10 line shortly or slowly but surely.
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But our focus is on the RTSA flagship stuff.
Okay.
And you are at this point, you are still boutique, but you're our country-wide.
We're actually worldwide.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're in 30 countries right now, not to brag, but to me, that's a huge number.
It is.
Ten years ago, we were in one country.
Okay.
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But yeah, we're nationwide.
All over the states and all 50 states, you can get our products.
Right.
So I say, ask and look around and if your shop doesn't have it, ask about them.
Yeah.
Just ask if you have an RTSA cigar around.
And if not, they can go to our website and get it within three to five business states.
Also good.
I think almost everyone has that now, right?
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Yes.
So definitely, if you can't find it, try online.
And is that all we have for 2025?
Yes, sir.
Awesome.
Good to hear from you.
Thank you so much.
So I have not met these folks, but I have had their cigars.
Right.
They were at the Cigar and Whiskey magazine event.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
And this guy, I feel I would remember that voice.
Yeah.
He has got a silky smooth, deep voice that is just awesome.
He should talk.
He should do voiceovers.
That's the level he's in.
But, you know, yeah, good sticks.
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He sounds like fun guy.
Yeah, we didn't have a lot of party time, but I would, I would definitely party with,
with the people at me.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So I'd like that he paused between crack and corn.
That was kind of a what?
Oh, okay.
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And 30 countries.
Yeah.
They're nice with, with any luck soon, they won't be considered boatee.
Yeah, they may not be considered boatee.
Actually, that's a good point.
I don't know their numbers.
Yeah.
Not to do why, but 30 countries.
Most boutique cigars are not in 30 countries.
Yeah.
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All 50 states and 30 countries.
I don't think they're boutique.
No, probably not.
So, but, yeah, they do have some awesome sticks.
If you haven't tried them before, search them out.
They are good.
I agree.
And I do believe you can find them at CI as well.
Yeah, that's yes.
Absolutely.
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Cool.
Excellent job, man.
All right.
Well, I think we have one more.
Oh, we have one more.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Let's frickin' do it.
All right.
We're here at TPE 2025, Myron Dutch.
We're here with Jonathan.
Jonathan, why don't you tell us what's going on for you this year?
Oh, guys.
We're having a great show.
We've got a lot of our exclusive products out here.
We've got Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, Fireball.
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We've got a really cool new product, the Buffalo Trace prohibition.
That was a very limited thing we did with Sazerac.
They came out with five different prohibition liquors.
We have cigars to pair with those.
It's a 25-count box.
750 boxes total made.
It's done really well for us and been an exciting new product for us.
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When did that come out?
It came out just a couple of weeks ago.
Just a couple of weeks ago.
A couple of weeks ago, we're flying through them.
It's been fun.
It's $500 MSRP for 25 cigars.
They all pair with those different liquors that Buffalo Trace came out with.
Available across the country or just some local areas?
Yeah, yeah.
Across the country.
To select retailers that really support the Sazerac brands that we do with Buffalo Trace
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and Fireball and Eagle Rare and all those.
Anything else cool for the year?
No, we're going to have some new stuff coming out at the PCA Trade Show.
That'll be announced then.
We have some fun stuff coming down the road.
Cool.
Looking forward to it.
Awesome.
Thank you.
I have heard of this.
Not had any.
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Yeah.
But secretly I wanted.
So they're not a manufacturer.
They're a distributor.
Yep.
And they got certain exclusive rights to the things.
And they have these special release packages.
500 for a box of 25.
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I was like, wow.
Now, I don't know how special they are.
They weren't doing samples, but they were beautifully presented in these boxes that had a unique slide out from the top.
So you had, if you line the boxes up, they made a mural.
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And then you slid a slide out the top and you would extract your cigars from the top.
So they were these cool little.
Cool little boxes that made a little mural.
But if you collected all of them, that'd be quite an expensive endeavor.
It would, but it'd be art.
But what's really surprised us was we neither of us knew that there was a Fireball cigar.
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And yeah, I was not aware of that.
We're going to have them a little big smoke, though.
Okay.
Yes.
So they're being hunted down as we speak.
Excellent.
But they are literally listed as.
It's not that Fireball made them and Fireball pairs with Fireball or anything like that.
They are listed as cinnamon cigars.
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So they're going to taste like cinnamon.
That will be weird, don't you think?
Yeah, does that mean we were going to have Fireball at little big smoke?
It feels like yes.
Okay.
Kind of seen that way.
I'm more beside about the cigars than I am the liquor in that case.
But you know, I'm open.
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I drank Goldschlager.
I'm ready.
Oh, when I was young.
Yeah.
So did I drink Fireball when I was young too.
Yeah.
Some things you grow.
Yeah, I had never seen Fireball until more recently.
So I didn't have it when I was young.
Really?
No.
Wow.
You lived under a rock.
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Yeah, I really did.
I was I was sheltered.
I was pretty sheltered.
All right.
Well, that you grew up in a beer town.
I really did.
Yep.
Yeah.
I grew up there was liquor everywhere.
Well, we had one liquor.
All kinds of snops.
All kinds of scotch.
All kinds of whiskey.
All kinds of rum.
We.
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That's what I grew up around.
So I had a little bit of everything.
Yeah.
But I don't know if you know.
So we had one liquor.
There was St. Louis is known for one liquor in particular.
Do you remember which one it is?
I don't remember.
I'll give you a hint.
It's 190 proof.
Oh, yeah.
Everclear.
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
That might push you off a liquor if that's your.
That's not exactly your average sipping liquor.
Is it?
But everybody should have one on their shelf.
Oh, absolutely.
Maybe that's shelf.
Maybe maybe linen closet because it is probably better.
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It used as a disinfectant.
Yeah.
I have.
I'm not ashamed to say I have three bottles of Everclear.
Exactly.
And you should, because if you do make like a party punch,
that's the way to go.
Oh, 100%.
It's 190 proof.
Well, that it, you know, if you want to, if you want to pour something into a glass and light it on fire, it's impressive.
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If you want 95% alcohol, that's the way to go.
Yep.
So it is drinkable.
It is.
I have drag it.
It's so sweet.
I couldn't do it.
A lot.
Even back then I could do it a lot.
No, even back then, just a few shots will make you swim on the ground.
Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
Wow.
Everclear.
Far away from Montawano.
Mostly a beer town, but there's a few.
You know, actually now I'm talking about when I grew up.
That was it.
But now there's distilleries in Missouri and St. Louis and the area now.
But back then they have definitely, definitely popped up.
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The, the other takeaway I get from, from that particular interview is if you, if you like cigars, merchandise with liquor.
Sounds like.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a number of you might like, right?
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There's a number of them.
Oh, there are.
There are.
And for arguably for good reasons.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So from a marketing standpoint, I mean, you cannot go wrong with it synergy and yeah.
And okay.
You are not going to get the taste of that liquor in that.
No, you're absolutely not.
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Take that right out.
But they're, they do have good flavors.
Yeah.
The EH Taylor.
The, what's the, what's the pappy?
My favorite is the pappy.
That's the true line.
Yeah.
And the, the two different rappers in there.
Oh, I brilliant.
I, I'd like and don't like.
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Oh, I like.
I, I, I like it.
There's a big transition when you get to that second rapper though.
Yeah.
And I really liked that secondary rapper.
It's like, well, why did you make the whole cigar?
That's one of the things when you plan a transition in there.
That's one of the things some people love the beginning.
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Some people love the end.
Some people love the whole thing all the way through.
So, I mean, I love it all the way through the, but yeah, there's a bunch.
Coiva.
The theirs.
I mean, there's a bunch of them.
Yeah.
So, and I mean, you're not going to go wrong with them.
Nice.
Well, good job at TPE.
All right.
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You, you, you carried the mantle well.
We had a good time.
I love seeing all of them.
There are heroes.
So that's how that goes.
Yeah.
There you go.
All right.
You want to look at some technology?
This is something I think you might like.
We got some time and I'm loving this headline.
Yes.
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New wonder material designed by AI is as light as foam, but strong as steel.
That's very interesting.
The pictures were interesting too.
Sounds like what I need to line my truck with.
Yeah.
Scientists have used AI to design a never before seen nano material with the strength of carbon steel and the lightness of styrofoam.
(40:32):
The new nano materials made using machine learning and a 3D printer.
More than doubled the strength of existing designs.
The scientists behind the study said they could be used to in stronger, lighter, more fuel efficient components for airplanes and cars.
The publisher findings and advanced materials journal of advanced materials.
(40:54):
So this is super cool.
So when I looked at the pictures, they basically had a bunch of Pac mark holes.
In this in this gray foam looking stuff.
And I was it grayish or bluish?
It was grayish.
And I guess it stopped everything because you couldn't see through it.
(41:17):
So I think it's not just airplanes and cars.
I think this will probably make its way into body armor.
And that's why I picked it out.
I thought you might think that's nice.
Yeah.
Now they're saying, oh, it would be nice because you can reduce your carbon footprint on the plane because now you got a stronger component.
(41:44):
Oh, 50 times lighter than any of you.
Yes.
And that's all very true.
I don't know because it looked it still looked like a foam.
So you're not going to have a foam as an outer shell of a plane.
You're still going to have steel and aluminum and all that.
But there could be major benefits.
Like they said, you epoxy paint it.
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You're good.
It has to be a smooth surface for flying.
Yeah.
Any aerodynamics, even even a vehicle.
Yeah.
Well, they do say that the repeated building blocks.
This is really a sheet are one, one hundredth, the thickness of a human hair.
So when you start piling that up, it doesn't have to be that thick to be strong, right?
(42:34):
So that's amazing.
That's really awesome.
I love this kind of stuff.
That is, that is, this is absolutely amazing.
Yeah.
So shattered previous limits.
So you, you think that 3D, when you think 3D, I'm going to say that when most people think 3D printing, they think like what their home 3D printer.
(42:57):
No, this is this is a nano material.
This is my real scale.
And if you're concerned that how could this be so strong, but be 3D printed.
Remember, the carbon fiber that is made that airplanes are made out.
Right.
Like the 737 max or whatever that is.
Yeah.
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That is 3D printed.
That is a printed fuselage.
And it is strong as fuck.
So yeah, don't be that concerned about it.
Yeah.
They said that, you know, the AI was part of this.
So it's, you know, machine learning or, you know, AI.
(43:41):
They learned by designs they generated and then it predicted other shapes that would best distribute stresses and carrying a heavy load because you don't want to be strong, but fragile.
Right.
Like, like ceramic.
Yes.
Right.
It's strong.
But when you fracture it, it fractures in a big way.
(44:02):
So they want to avoid that kind of thing.
This is a number that's impressive.
With these shapes in hand, the researchers used a 3D printer to create the new nano lattices, finding that they could withstand a stress of 2 megapack mega Pascal's for every cubic meter per kilogram, which is five times higher than titanium.
(44:30):
Five times stronger than titanium sounds like and lighter weight sounds like they need to make black boxes out of this shit.
They need to make a lot of stuff out of the way.
You know how we used to say that, you know, if black boxes can survive a plane crash, why don't you make a whole plane out of it.
We're about to because of the fucking way it is.
Why look at this.
Yeah.
Yes.
(44:51):
It's just beautiful.
Now you get this technology productionized.
The first company that makes an airplane out of this is going to be the winner.
It is because it'll be so light. The fuel costs will be so low.
Absolutely. And that is.
(45:12):
These planes are not cheap.
No, but the cost of fuel they spend.
The cost of ownership is high cost of ownership.
Very high. So if you can put up front cost and take out that cost ownership.
Yeah, they're doing it. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They're doing it.
Now I love this, this section.
(45:33):
And imagine that you could conceivably fly around the world nonstop on one virtual airplane.
Yeah.
On one fuel reload.
Yep.
So you know, even before Boeing starts making planes out of this.
The Air Force will end on the Navy because we have more planes in the Navy than we do.
(45:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you know what I mean? Well, commercially, commercially airbus will probably get there
first.
Probably.
But you, you're talking about military planes that are already billions of dollars.
What's a new material that's expensive going to really add to it?
Not all that much.
Not that much.
(46:18):
Yeah.
So especially when you start talking about tactical advantage of doubling and tripling your range.
Or whatever that matter.
They're already doing coatings for the radar cross section.
Sure.
So just make sure the coatings will stick to this.
Yeah.
Boom, baby.
And this is thin.
And so it says this is the first time machine learning has been applied to optimize nano architecture materials.
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That surprises me.
I'm surprised we didn't try this earlier.
It doesn't sound right.
I know.
I could have sworn we've talked about nanotechnology with AI previously.
And I know we've talked about different lattice structures with AI.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe it is, but it doesn't sound right.
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Yeah.
But it learned from the changes and made completely different lattice geometries.
They apparently slayed previous known lattice.
That's amazing.
See, it's this is this is this is why AI is awesome.
(47:34):
Material science.
We knew this.
We've said it.
Yep.
Material science is where it's going to make the biggest gains.
And it is.
And this is good.
And it's not like it did this from data we didn't know.
Yeah.
This took data that we knew.
And made it better.
And say, this seems optimum.
And then you're trying, you're like, that is optimum.
(47:57):
Yep.
That's where the gain is.
It's not.
Like I said, it's not pulling data out of its ass.
It's using data that already exists.
Right.
And coming up with things like this.
So to give you an idea of what that fuel savings is.
Bearing in mind, this is five times stronger than titanium.
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If you were to replace components made of titanium on a plane with this material,
you would be looking at fuel savings of 80 liters per year for every kilogram.
You replace.
Holy shit.
And we don't make planes out of titanium.
No.
So what's that saving is going to be like that's going to get that for the carbon
(48:42):
people, this is big for the cost people.
This is big for the fuel people.
This is big.
Your first class tickets are going to drop 80%.
No profit margins of airlines are going to go up to where they actually make money
instead of losing money hand over fist.
Yeah.
Because people, people complain.
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It's been there.
I'm one of those people about all the flights and I don't really complain about the cost
anymore.
It's not that bad, but on times and all that stuff.
But if you could actually be more profitable and afford to staff it properly and increase
your computer simulations of routes and do all this kind of stuff and maybe even
(49:29):
refuel less often, then you could probably make things more dependable.
Oh, absolutely make things more dependable.
We're, we're, I'm like, Oh, if I'm going to leave at eight 50, I'm leaving at eight 50,
not nine 15.
So I love this is, this is, this is beautiful.
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Five times stronger than titanium.
I definitely want this to develop.
I mean, it's got everything.
We've got cost savings, planet savings, weights.
It's all amazing.
And practically manufacturing ready.
(50:15):
It does seem like it might be.
I mean, if they can print it, why can't you print it on anything?
I mean, we started out with carbon fiber, just, you know, coming out of a, as a thin line coming out of a tube.
Yeah.
Right.
And now we've got custom made machines building airplanes and I mean,
(50:42):
granted, okay.
Maybe this is where it starts.
Kind of like with carbon fiber.
Sports equipment.
Absolutely.
You buy a club made of this stuff.
Right.
A carbon fiber.
Oh, our softball bats are $400 a piece.
What if it was 500?
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Nobody blink at that.
It's already 400.
Yeah.
And if it didn't break, you know, my bats we go through?
It's irritating.
Really irritating.
You make that titanium strength.
But like stronger than titanium and lighter weight than carbon fiber.
Yeah.
(51:24):
Over an aluminum shell.
Winning in and absolutely.
It's pretty damn awesome.
I think tennis rackels would be right there.
Remember all the graphite.
It's going to be everywhere.
Sports.
If you want adoption and figure out how to manufacture this stuff.
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Do sports.
Put it in golf club because you'll they keep making them lighter.
Because of his speed.
Right.
You start with something golf clubs.
You start with that golf clubs are relatively easy.
Tennis rackets.
A little bit more difficult because strange shapes, right?
It's not just two.
So are tapering to.
So there you go.
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Or ahead.
And you go through the different.
What if they made helmets out of this?
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean.
Because obviously it's not fragile.
It's inflexible, right?
Or it would crack.
So it's also flexible.
So yeah, helmet sounds good because you want it to compress and then rebound.
(52:32):
So you use smaller stuff, sports equipment, higher high volume, right?
Figure out the manufacturability process.
Right.
And then go with larger things, much like the carbon fiber journey.
Right.
Why would you arguably I love this arguably you might be able to get this.
To do that same journey in much less time.
(52:57):
I feel like it could be much less time because carbon fiber is really expensive to manufacture.
And this is 3D printed.
Now don't get me wrong.
It's probably very slow because of it's, it's on an nano scale.
But slow doesn't stop us for making things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cost does.
(53:18):
So the cost of this would be interesting to know.
But it's 100th.
The width of a human hair.
Well, you're not talking about a lot of mass.
So it.
So let's say it took you.
Two weeks.
To develop a few slides out of this.
Right.
(53:39):
Rather than, you know, less than a week for carbon fiber.
Not a problem.
It's.
Okay.
Let's say it took you three weeks.
Let's say it took you three times as long.
Yeah.
Because carbon fiber is not as light as foam.
The amount, the amount of money you would save after the fact is incredible.
(54:02):
Exactly.
I, it's this really stood out to me when I heard it.
I loved it.
I want.
We've talked about a lot of emerging technologies on the show.
What we do.
And most of them.
You don't ever hear from again.
Yeah.
I hope this one.
(54:23):
Oh, it's not.
We'll be hearing from this.
I think, I think a lot of people will see enough potential.
Yeah.
That they venture capitalists will hit this.
Like gain busters.
I think this will go.
I think, I think that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Branson did a, you know, did a deal with him.
(54:48):
Let's bring back Virgin Airlines.
It's awesome.
I love it.
And what are the space applications for it?
Exactly.
I mean, it's just the potential.
Just this one article, the potential is astronomical.
So, I think it's just the potential.
I mean, it's just the potential.
Just this one article, the potential is astronomical.
(55:12):
Space is trying to make it funny.
I got it.
All right, man.
My rankings easy.
I can rank it easy.
Rome's going to be in a separate category from whiskey.
So this is number one.
We did a ranked class show.
I kind of.
No, that's fine.
(55:33):
I got lazy.
We, if you don't remember, we decided to put whiskey and rum in its own.
And rum in its own category.
And so, because you can't, you can't put them together.
No.
So this is number one.
So my ranking is easy.
It is the first rum and it is number one.
So where are you going to put this Perdomo 20 Maduro?
(56:01):
All right.
So when you said you were going to make this tough.
I meant it.
You did mean it.
And this, this was.
Okay.
I don't think you're going to be surprised where I put it.
Okay.
But you might be.
(56:23):
Okay.
Jeez.
I keep touching things.
That's a problem with me in technology.
I keep touching things.
Where did you decide to put this?
Damn son.
I'm telling you.
All right.
He put this in the number one spot.
(56:46):
Number one slide.
Number one.
This is my list, bitches.
So we got the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro and number one.
The Evan Chura Blue Eyed Jack in number two.
And the Evan Chura Kings golden number three.
Wrapping out the top five.
We got the diesel original and number four.
And the Caldwell Midnight Express is number five.
(57:09):
Okay.
So I will, I will tell you right now that my first inclination was to put it between,
put it to number four slots.
So between the Avatar, King's gold and the diesel original.
The more I thought about it, the more I realized just how much I love this earth.
(57:31):
Your Earth guy.
Yeah.
Your Earth guy.
We're going to see a pivot this year from baking spices to earth.
Just I just, I really did.
I really, really did.
And I, I can't tell you just how it's a great six.
I am that you put this on the show.
So thank you for this.
(57:52):
And yeah, so it made its way into number one.
Nice.
But I will tell you my first inclination, generally you go with your,
your gut feeling, your first feeling.
Right.
But I had to give it a little thought.
You, you consternated.
And boom, boom, right up there.
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Nicely done, sir.
I feel better.
Oh, heck yeah.
Welcome to the newest episode in this episode.
(00:03):
We're having the Prudomo 20th anniversary Maduro
and with it, Diplomatico's Montewano.
This will be very cool.
This will be very cool.
You're hanging out with Bill and Daryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right.
(00:25):
Well, the Prudomo 20th anniversary Maduro is a 56 by 6 hours
is the one we're smoking.
It comes in many sizes.
Comes in several, yeah.
Here's the key.
This is where the extra comes in.
Extra.
It's an eight-year-old Cuban seed
Nicaraguan Maduro wrapper that are then barrel aged
(00:46):
in bourbon barrels for 14 months.
Oh, man.
They pair that with Nicaraguan binders and fillers.
Not so surprising.
MSRP is $11.
That's the other surprising part.
That is the real surprising part.
You've got an eight-year-old wrapper that is then
aged in bourbon barrels.
Yep.
And it still comes in right around $10.
(01:08):
And we'll talk about this here in a few.
You've got to finish getting through the intro.
Yep.
Diplomatico Montewano bottled it 80 proof
MSRP, very reasonable 26.
One of my favorite rom.
For those that don't know, this is a rom.
Mm-hmm.
And now I like what they did on the bottle
because they have both RON, which is the Spanish spelling
(01:32):
of rum, and RUM, the English spelling of rum,
and the Indian spelling of rum, RHUM.
They put all three on this bottle, not right up front,
just off to the side, but.
Bringing the heavy.
You know, they're marketing to everybody.
They do not care where you're from.
They should not care.
They don't care what your skin color is.
(01:54):
They don't care how you speak.
I printed in every language.
I printed every language on a bottle of house selling my bottles.
Yeah, as long as you had a big enough bottle, do that, sure.
Small enough prints.
So, Pradomo 20th anniversary of the girl, bourbon barrel,
aged, we were there.
(02:15):
Yeah. It was completely awesome.
It is a tour I cannot recommend enough.
I can't either. It was such a great tour.
Yeah. Now, you do have to mind your fluid intake
as you're driving along the Pan American highway
because there are not that many restaurants.
There's one. There's one.
(02:36):
Yeah, there's one in three hours.
Yeah, two hours, two hours.
So, I think it was like a three hour drive
from the airport to the facility.
Yeah. Now, if you guy, it's a little bit easier
and you have an empty bottle.
Mm, not really.
Let's not say that is a thing because I'm not doing that.
I'm seriously not doing that.
No, I beaded my liquid intake during that trip.
(03:00):
I did too. And before the trip
because he mentioned it the night before.
Yeah, yeah. So, I took he did that.
Our tour was M.C.D. by Art Kemper, VP.
Oh, wonderful. Wonderful tour guy.
A guy. And the tour we went on his,
that was his wife's first time.
(03:22):
That was hilarious. That was fabulous.
20-some idea she'd never been there.
And that was her tour.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
And she's a San Antonio gal
and we hit it off pretty, pretty good.
And we had a good time.
More than a couple Texas people there.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
(03:43):
Everybody had a good time. Nobody didn't.
But the bourbon barrel, it sounds,
most of the word kitschy or something like that, gimmicky, right?
Yeah. It sounds gimmicky.
But when you walk into that room
or they have some barrels.
Oh, yeah.
And then they...
It's like walking the distillery with all the aging barrels.
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Yes. Yeah.
And then, you know, you've got three,
they had three, one for each wrapper type.
That they had open for us and you could put your head in it.
Yes, I did. Oh my God.
That was awesome. Yeah.
That was awesome.
It works. It really works.
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It's not just a gimmick.
It actually does something,
especially when you leave it in long enough,
which they do.
14 months.
There's a lot of finishing barrels that don't do 14 months.
Absolutely.
It was really, really, really, really good.
I love smelling those barrels.
There are a lot of gilisias.
There are a lot of gilisias that aren't aged 14 months.
Those were delicious.
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Those barrels just smelled delicious.
I left my head in there for a while.
It was awesome being in that room.
Although, on the tour, it's funny, we did all three.
And my favorite was the sun groan,
because normally I'm a Maduro guy.
Yep. Yep.
My favorite was the sun groan.
And they even mentioned that.
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You don't know? Try everything.
Yes. I was like, oh my God.
Which is what we tell people to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
And sun groan just wasn't on my radar, really.
No, let me rephrase that.
That's what we recommend people to do.
We don't tell people to do anything.
It's a good point.
That's right.
Stamps to that.
That's a good point.
So, but it was a great tour, and these are great sticks.
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And here we are, having one in 2025.
Fabulous.
Yeah, I had a whole box of these.
I say had.
Because I think these are the last two.
Smoked them all.
So one of the.
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There wasn't any big revelation for me in doing what you were talking about, right?
Because what happened?
No, same.
He had three.
They were like half sticks, right?
Smaller gauge.
I would call them Sigurello.
They were small.
They were even smaller than that.
It was still the same blend.
It's not like they were Corona's.
They were Sigurello's almost.
Yeah, but it was still the same blend.
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And all three different wrappers, and you did it blindfolded.
Yeah, so that was the champagne.
That was the champagne binder and filler with three different wrappers.
OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we also got all three of the 20s.
And the point is still the same.
If you did this blindfolded, you will find out what you really like.
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And now it's great for me.
There were several people there that were quite surprised off of what they picked.
And you didn't do this yourself.
You've gotten pairs.
Yeah.
You know, and somebody somebody would light it for you.
And you know, you would use that they would put the ashtray for you and hand you
the next one.
And you know, you were blindfolded the entire time.
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You couldn't see a thing, but you had somebody there to help you out.
And there were quite a few people that were surprised of what they picked.
When it got to when it when he got to me, it's like, I'm not surprised.
I like all three of these.
Right.
Right.
It's for me, it's more about how I feel that day, what I what I experienced that day.
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Right.
It's not I like this wrapper above any others for the same flavor profile or
said same blend.
Yeah, it's just I was a little surprised because I do smoke a lot of my duros.
And of the three, the Maduro is my least favorite.
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Like that was my third place.
Well, the sun girl was my first place.
So that's surprising is I do like my duros.
I spoke with duros.
I have the duros in the humidor.
But I like the duros that have a good flavor that I can get the flavors out of.
Yeah, not because they're Maduro.
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See, I think what it was was the champagne wasn't blended to have a Maduro
wrapper.
So when you put a Maduro wrapper on there, it did detract it.
OK, OK, yeah, I could see that I could see that.
But I still want to be the way.
I still enjoyed it.
I really like the sun groan.
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And I think the
was it the Connecticut was the other one?
Yeah, the Connecticut was the one that I picked out of the three for that day.
OK, yeah.
But realistically, I have no problem with any of them.
Yeah, no, I had I didn't I didn't have a really champagne.
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I thought it was the thought it was the barrel age.
My record. No, my my recollection was the champagne, a binder and filler.
But the the the three because they gave us all three of the 20s, which I was
pretty impressed with, right?
Because you can you can give away a lot of the your basic stuff pretty easily, right?
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But you got some premium stuff you give away.
That's pretty nice premium.
Premium.
But you only at the same time, this is 11 hour premium cigar.
That's it's not that's not such a high hurdle, is it?
You got to be paying 10 dollars for stick anywhere.
Absolutely.
And you pay a whole lot more.
And I'm just saying that in Texas.
There's I know there's people farther northeast of us going $10.
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You know, they're they're they're budget.
They're budget sticks or $10.
Right. So I'm I'm saying for our area area area.
Yeah.
The one thing about this particular cigar,
especially with the Maduro wrapper is I don't get that nice pretty white
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ass with the dark wrapper.
And you know, I enjoy this really do I do.
It's pleasant to me.
I'd like seeing that.
Do you want to talk about the cigar even more?
Since now it's probably settled in
because we haven't been talking about the cigar.
I'm not getting where you're going.
The actual flavors we're experiencing right now.
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So first I'm going to I know it sounds funny.
I'm going to lead with the retro.
So bear in mind for this.
That does not sound.
This is a medium bold.
Right.
This is on the bold side.
It will build a mouth coating.
It is potent.
It is strong.
So the and the retro hill reflects that it is a strong retro hill.
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It's peppery and you want but small amounts still add an enormous amount of flavor.
It's wonderful.
So if you don't retro hill, it takes a bit of an approach to figure out how to retro
hell, right?
Yeah, it does.
It does.
So don't start with your medium bold and retro hill a little bit of that because you're
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probably going to mess it up and you're going to go, oh my gosh.
Start light.
Start light.
Although some of those light cigars come off really.
There's I think Connecticut's with really potent retro hills, but but.
For people that smoked cigarettes prior to smoking cigars,
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they're not going to have a problem.
Retro hills is easy, but you if you're just starting out, if you're if you're coming
from that and you're just starting out, remember, unlike with a cigarette, do not
blow everything you suck in through your nose.
Oh, some people do with cigarettes.
I've seen it with cigarettes.
Yes.
But with a bold cigar like this, a bomb in the retro hill like this is.
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Yeah.
Do not do that.
You will hurt yourself.
So that being said, the actual draw, not, not, I don't catch his pepper.
It's not a pepper.
It all, you know, I don't think it's very appropriate.
That's not, that's not its forward flavor.
No, no.
Yeah.
Good.
Okay.
So as I want people to think this was a pepper bomb, it's a pepper bomb through your nose.
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Absolutely.
So go light through the nose because it's still on the flavors.
It's really nice.
So I'm going to take it that you are getting a nice earth component out of this.
Mm.
Yeah.
Oh, this is super earth.
Yes.
Super earth, not, not a nice earth.
This is super earth.
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Well, to me, this is dirt earth.
Yeah.
Absolute dirt earth.
You could throw in a little, you know, decomposing leaves in there if you want to, but it is dirt frickin earth.
Yeah.
Dirt earth after a rain with a little ozone kind of in the air.
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Yeah.
With an oak tree hanging over that spot.
It's with the, yeah.
It's, this is a super earth cigar and it's a really great earth cigar.
Like it, it wraps its arms around earth and welcomes it fully.
Yeah.
If you're all about mother earth, this is a cigar for you.
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And like I said, it builds a mouth coating, but it's not, it doesn't build it in the back of your throat.
It doesn't, it doesn't give you that.
Yeah.
I hate that.
It doesn't do that.
Nope.
They, they did a very good job.
This is a great anniversary stick.
Good.
Medium bold.
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On the bold side.
Does not wreck your palate.
No, actually it doesn't.
That's nice.
Yeah.
Exactly.
While it is a medium bold.
The mouth coating.
Doesn't, it's not instant.
It does need to build.
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And it doesn't.
Hurt.
Yeah.
If that makes any sense whatsoever.
Cause there are some cigars out there that are just so bold.
They hurt.
They can hurt.
Yeah.
This doesn't.
And no nicotine punch out of this.
It's, it is a beautiful cigar.
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And it has a long finish.
And there's a little bit of paper in the finish.
So the earth subsides and then you get a little bit burst of paper.
And I like that.
I like that.
It, it, it, it gives me the feeling.
It's like, oh, I'm bold.
Baby subtle to.
I like that.
Cause paper is a subtle flavor.
Paper is paper.
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So when you get to bold, or and then paper and you're like, oh, that's nice.
Yeah.
See how I was going for more like a dry kind of a graphite in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a, there's a dryer powdery component because it's not a creamy mouth.
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It's a dry mouth.
Yes.
So, but that's, it's still great.
If you like creamy mouth.
Feel this isn't for you.
But if you love earth, this is an earth bomb earth.
I love it.
This is extremely earth.
It is fabulous.
And 11 dollars.
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Right.
So let's hear from them.
Oh, let's do it.
We're visiting the Pradomo's at TPE 2025.
We're here with junior in the flesh.
Hi, Harry.
I'm Nicholas Pradomo, the third and I'm very happy to be here and at TPE 2025.
And a big year for us at Pradomo 2025.
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And we're looking, I'm looking forward to releasing a cigar at the PCA trade show.
It's going to be called the Pradomo legacy.
It's a cigar that I blended and out of my dad, Nick Pradomo, Jr.
So I'm very proud of this moment that we're going to have here in the very near future.
It's a cigar we're going to be releasing in May of 25.
So it's coming very soon.
We get a lot of questions about the cigar, lots of things.
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So I'm excited to share it very soon in the next couple of months with our very loyal consumer
basis.
We call our Pradomo army.
So we're very blessed.
And again, I'm very happy to be here at TPE.
And thank you.
We're excited for the release.
Can't wait.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
So I do want to say I said junior because the rep that was there said, Hey, he's juniors
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in the booth.
He's talking to somebody right now.
Give us a second.
I'm like, yeah, sure.
I got time.
So I thought maybe people casually called him junior.
I understood.
Okay.
I said junior.
I apologize to him afterwards.
I said, he said that.
So I thought maybe that was a nickname or something you went by.
And he's like, no, no, it's fine.
(16:58):
I got it.
He's fine.
He wasn't bothered by it at all.
But I did say, I knew it wasn't him when I saw him.
I knew it wasn't Nick Jr. Oh, yeah.
But I thought it was a nickname for him like a term of a new man.
People don't use the third.
So I figured they had a nickname for him.
I think he wanted to clarify because he was on audio.
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Yes.
Yeah.
But he didn't carry.
It was fine.
But I do apologize to both the listeners and I already apologized to him.
But real nice.
Perdomo Booth looked really good this year as always.
And they were, they were super nice.
So it's funny.
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Nick is very.
Very bold about his opinions.
He is Nick Jr.
Nick the third, not quite as much.
No, he's more casual.
And yet he he has that he has that that that that voice of his dad.
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I was going to say I was coming through there.
He still has a presence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's a I really like him.
Yeah.
I think I think he's an awesome dude.
I like his dad too, but I really like him.
And you know, once once the torch does get passed, I think it's going to be in great hands with the third.
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I think so too.
It's just it's really nice to see to Perdomo's come up.
It's like everybody everybody starts as a boutique at some point.
And they just took the industry by storm and became Perdomo.
Yeah.
Well, I was now Perdomo.
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So Nick Perdomo Jr.
He has an energy that just will not stop.
Even it is.
And it's infectious.
And it is very much so.
But he traveled.
He went everywhere.
He still does.
A lot of stores, a lot of travel.
Yeah.
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And somebody still does.
He he just he went out there and he he just he won people over and he was one of the early adopters of the new styles of marketing.
Oh, that's an understatement.
That's that's actually a big part of the tour is.
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Yes, we did this.
What do you think of this display and this display and they had two side by side displays and everybody's like, yeah, that display.
Yeah, it's obvious when you see them side by side.
And I hear it's traditional.
Here's what we wanted to do.
And oh, it pops.
Yeah.
And I don't know who was the first ones to do the hangers, but I think it was them.
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I thought they said that, didn't they?
I think it was them.
But even before the hangers, everything was lined up, put together.
So, you know, it flowed.
Yeah.
Color wise, big and the guy.
Yep.
Yeah.
They use the science of how people pick stuff.
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Yes.
To do their to do their own.
They did their marketing.
And of course, having having people there in the stores, doing events, getting a face out there.
I mean, if you want a benchmark for doing all of these things, Pradomo is it.
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It is.
They they understood marking in a way that people at the time they were coming up did not do.
Yep.
Everybody doesn't now.
But at the at the time, it was it was kind of shaking the tree.
It was.
Right.
You don't do this.
Cigars are very prestigious.
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You you act.
And subtle.
Yeah.
You know, you you act upper crust and all this and Nick is like, fuck that.
I was in the Navy.
Let's go.
And they even talked about how like the yellow cello they put on the champagne.
Yeah.
Was it choice?
Yeah.
They didn't accidentally get an order of yellow cello and go, but that's not wasted.
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They did that.
And they were adding more colors to sell those.
And they were doing I mean, it was a really great tour, but I think they revolutionized the
industry in the area of marketing.
Yes.
A lot of people make great blends and they make great blends, but they make great blends and
had superior marketing.
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And I think that launched them in a way that nobody had been launched before.
And then everybody said, well, we better launch that way too.
We better start doing something.
Right.
We've got a good looking logo, but when you have that on the inside of your lid, you barely see the inside lid on the shelf.
We need to do something else.
Yeah.
It was wonderful.
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Yeah.
They they have been.
In your face marketing, which is what consumers need.
They do need to be guided.
What the advent of the of the shelf tags.
You now have a silent salesman.
So somebody goes in, they can look and read and find out about the different sticks and make a choice.
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From that.
Yeah.
I know we're pretty far in, but we should probably say something about the Monte Carlo.
We have and heavily.
We have not.
So knows like it's a rum.
It's vanilla.
It's really wrong.
It's an 80 per from.
Here's the thing.
I really like this vanilla because it's a strong vanilla without tasting like an artificial vanilla.
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You know what I mean?
I absolutely do know what you mean.
Yeah.
Because the wife made her own vanilla.
And that the jar that it soaks in.
I mean, we take off that lid.
It's yeah.
Free damn awesome.
Yeah.
And it's not unlike this.
Yeah.
And so that that's since she did that, that's kind of become the benchmark for me for what I call vanilla.
(23:22):
Yes.
Because it is so in your face.
And the Montewano has that aroma.
Yeah.
So it's it's a super vanilla.
But the flavor of it is more muted than that.
It is.
It is.
But the aroma is very much there.
And that's what that's what makes it stand.
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So I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that's what makes it stand out as as a liquor is is just the great aroma that it is.
And it leans on the sweet side.
So this isn't a middle of the road.
It's not quite sweet and not quite dry.
It's on the sweet side, but not.
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Well, it's really nice.
Yeah.
Yes.
But it does have a dry finish.
Yeah.
And it's a really great balance.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Aside from the price point, that's why we like it so much.
Yes.
Why?
So I used to have at all times a bottle of pirate.
(24:26):
Yeah.
We slayed.
I don't even know how many bottles of pirate.
A lot of corks up there.
Yeah.
Until when?
Until we found this bottle.
Yeah.
And then.
Cost less.
No, cost the same.
Cost the same.
Yeah.
The right around there.
And taste good smells good.
Yeah.
And on the bottle fits on the shelf better.
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Yeah.
But at the same time, better flavor, same price fits on the shelf better.
And it replaced it so fast.
Very fast.
It was amazing how fast it replaced it.
Yeah.
But I'm you shouldn't be the one to talk about that.
Because whiskey supplanted.
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In your house.
Almost as fast faster than the Montewano supplanted.
Yes.
I think it did.
Yeah.
Once I discovered whiskey, it was just bam.
It just overtook.
Which is funny because I was a rum guy.
You were a vodka guy.
Yeah.
And yet the thing we have the most of are whiskey and bourbon.
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Yeah.
I want to say whiskey because it's a general term.
I don't want to just say bourbon's.
I have all kinds of whiskeys.
I'm a huge fan of the fishing barrels, you know.
Yep.
So not a surprise that I just say whiskey, not bourbon.
Yeah.
Okay.
We have a lot of bourbon's don't get me wrong.
How about that?
But whiskey definitely took over both of our primaries very quickly.
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We did the nation.
Now that we spent half a show talking about the cigar and a moment talking about the Montewano,
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All right.
Well, it's a midpoint, but we really talked about the scar the entire time.
So I don't know that we need to talk about a midpoint so much.
We really did.
And right before the midpoint, we were talking about the scar leaning up to it, but we talked
about the Montewano right before the break.
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So let's consider the midpoint done.
Cool.
Because we know that Perdomo cigars do not transition.
Now, well, they know things I like about them.
So I transition more than they do.
Not that kind of thing.
Not going there.
Not going there.
That's between you and your wife.
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So we have more to listen to.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Here we are at TP 25.
I've got Kevin with every step cigars.
What have you got this year that you're excited about Kevin?
Well, first I'm excited to see you guys here, man.
Thank you so much for coming out and talking with us and spending some time with us.
TP is a great show for us.
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We have a lot of fun.
It's kind of a weird show because it's a mix of everything you'd find in a cigar shop
or smoke shop or sometimes down in homeless row.
You know what I mean?
You never know.
But today we're really excited about our flagship Artista.
We have three different blends in the Artista lineup.
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We've got Midnight, Fallew, and Harvest.
On the Fallew, we're super excited because it just got top 25 of 2024 from Cigar Journal.
Got number 14.
Nice.
So that industry recognition is huge for us.
We know it's a good cigar, but it's nice when other people say it too.
The Fallew has got a Connecticut broadleaf wrapper from the Amish in Pennsylvania.
(28:37):
It's going to give you a little hints of cranberry and cracked black pepper.
Really?
Yeah.
It's really good.
But you know, you boys should try it yourselves.
You tell me.
Okay.
And so we've got a few other things, but these are the ones that you're excited about this
year and your staple line is still in regular production.
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You're not pulling anything out.
Everything's still on shelves.
Correct.
Correct.
So we keep adding more to our flagship, our Tista.
I mean, everybody pretty much knows this for the Buffalo 10.
Right.
And it makes sense.
It's a great stick for six bucks, you know.
Right.
We will continue to grow the Buffalo 10 line shortly or slowly but surely.
(29:24):
But our focus is on the RTSA flagship stuff.
Okay.
And you are at this point, you are still boutique, but you're our country-wide.
We're actually worldwide.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're in 30 countries right now, not to brag, but to me, that's a huge number.
It is.
Ten years ago, we were in one country.
Okay.
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But yeah, we're nationwide.
All over the states and all 50 states, you can get our products.
Right.
So I say, ask and look around and if your shop doesn't have it, ask about them.
Yeah.
Just ask if you have an RTSA cigar around.
And if not, they can go to our website and get it within three to five business states.
Also good.
I think almost everyone has that now, right?
(30:06):
Yes.
So definitely, if you can't find it, try online.
And is that all we have for 2025?
Yes, sir.
Awesome.
Good to hear from you.
Thank you so much.
So I have not met these folks, but I have had their cigars.
Right.
They were at the Cigar and Whiskey magazine event.
(30:30):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And this guy, I feel I would remember that voice.
Yeah.
He has got a silky smooth, deep voice that is just awesome.
He should talk.
He should do voiceovers.
That's the level he's in.
But, you know, yeah, good sticks.
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He sounds like fun guy.
Yeah, we didn't have a lot of party time, but I would, I would definitely party with,
with the people at me.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So I'd like that he paused between crack and corn.
That was kind of a what?
Oh, okay.
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And 30 countries.
Yeah.
They're nice with, with any luck soon, they won't be considered boatee.
Yeah, they may not be considered boatee.
Actually, that's a good point.
I don't know their numbers.
Yeah.
Not to do why, but 30 countries.
Most boutique cigars are not in 30 countries.
Yeah.
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All 50 states and 30 countries.
I don't think they're boutique.
No, probably not.
So, but, yeah, they do have some awesome sticks.
If you haven't tried them before, search them out.
They are good.
I agree.
And I do believe you can find them at CI as well.
Yeah, that's yes.
Absolutely.
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Cool.
Excellent job, man.
All right.
Well, I think we have one more.
Oh, we have one more.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Let's frickin' do it.
All right.
We're here at TPE 2025, Myron Dutch.
We're here with Jonathan.
Jonathan, why don't you tell us what's going on for you this year?
Oh, guys.
We're having a great show.
We've got a lot of our exclusive products out here.
We've got Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, Fireball.
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We've got a really cool new product, the Buffalo Trace prohibition.
That was a very limited thing we did with Sazerac.
They came out with five different prohibition liquors.
We have cigars to pair with those.
It's a 25-count box.
750 boxes total made.
It's done really well for us and been an exciting new product for us.
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When did that come out?
It came out just a couple of weeks ago.
Just a couple of weeks ago.
A couple of weeks ago, we're flying through them.
It's been fun.
It's $500 MSRP for 25 cigars.
They all pair with those different liquors that Buffalo Trace came out with.
Available across the country or just some local areas?
Yeah, yeah.
Across the country.
To select retailers that really support the Sazerac brands that we do with Buffalo Trace
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and Fireball and Eagle Rare and all those.
Anything else cool for the year?
No, we're going to have some new stuff coming out at the PCA Trade Show.
That'll be announced then.
We have some fun stuff coming down the road.
Cool.
Looking forward to it.
Awesome.
Thank you.
I have heard of this.
Not had any.
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Yeah.
But secretly I wanted.
So they're not a manufacturer.
They're a distributor.
Yep.
And they got certain exclusive rights to the things.
And they have these special release packages.
500 for a box of 25.
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I was like, wow.
Now, I don't know how special they are.
They weren't doing samples, but they were beautifully presented in these boxes that had a unique slide out from the top.
So you had, if you line the boxes up, they made a mural.
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And then you slid a slide out the top and you would extract your cigars from the top.
So they were these cool little.
Cool little boxes that made a little mural.
But if you collected all of them, that'd be quite an expensive endeavor.
It would, but it'd be art.
But what's really surprised us was we neither of us knew that there was a Fireball cigar.
(34:41):
And yeah, I was not aware of that.
We're going to have them a little big smoke, though.
Okay.
Yes.
So they're being hunted down as we speak.
Excellent.
But they are literally listed as.
It's not that Fireball made them and Fireball pairs with Fireball or anything like that.
They are listed as cinnamon cigars.
(35:03):
So they're going to taste like cinnamon.
That will be weird, don't you think?
Yeah, does that mean we were going to have Fireball at little big smoke?
It feels like yes.
Okay.
Kind of seen that way.
I'm more beside about the cigars than I am the liquor in that case.
But you know, I'm open.
(35:24):
I drank Goldschlager.
I'm ready.
Oh, when I was young.
Yeah.
So did I drink Fireball when I was young too.
Yeah.
Some things you grow.
Yeah, I had never seen Fireball until more recently.
So I didn't have it when I was young.
Really?
No.
Wow.
You lived under a rock.
(35:45):
Yeah, I really did.
I was I was sheltered.
I was pretty sheltered.
All right.
Well, that you grew up in a beer town.
I really did.
Yep.
Yeah.
I grew up there was liquor everywhere.
Well, we had one liquor.
All kinds of snops.
All kinds of scotch.
All kinds of whiskey.
All kinds of rum.
We.
(36:06):
That's what I grew up around.
So I had a little bit of everything.
Yeah.
But I don't know if you know.
So we had one liquor.
There was St. Louis is known for one liquor in particular.
Do you remember which one it is?
I don't remember.
I'll give you a hint.
It's 190 proof.
Oh, yeah.
Everclear.
(36:27):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
That might push you off a liquor if that's your.
That's not exactly your average sipping liquor.
Is it?
But everybody should have one on their shelf.
Oh, absolutely.
Maybe that's shelf.
Maybe maybe linen closet because it is probably better.
(36:49):
It used as a disinfectant.
Yeah.
I have.
I'm not ashamed to say I have three bottles of Everclear.
Exactly.
And you should, because if you do make like a party punch,
that's the way to go.
Oh, 100%.
It's 190 proof.
Well, that it, you know, if you want to, if you want to pour something into a glass and light it on fire, it's impressive.
(37:15):
If you want 95% alcohol, that's the way to go.
Yep.
So it is drinkable.
It is.
I have drag it.
It's so sweet.
I couldn't do it.
A lot.
Even back then I could do it a lot.
No, even back then, just a few shots will make you swim on the ground.
Absolutely.
(37:36):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Wow.
Everclear.
Far away from Montawano.
Mostly a beer town, but there's a few.
You know, actually now I'm talking about when I grew up.
That was it.
But now there's distilleries in Missouri and St. Louis and the area now.
But back then they have definitely, definitely popped up.
(37:59):
The, the other takeaway I get from, from that particular interview is if you, if you like cigars, merchandise with liquor.
Sounds like.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a number of you might like, right?
(38:21):
There's a number of them.
Oh, there are.
There are.
And for arguably for good reasons.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So from a marketing standpoint, I mean, you cannot go wrong with it synergy and yeah.
And okay.
You are not going to get the taste of that liquor in that.
No, you're absolutely not.
(38:42):
Take that right out.
But they're, they do have good flavors.
Yeah.
The EH Taylor.
The, what's the, what's the pappy?
My favorite is the pappy.
That's the true line.
Yeah.
And the, the two different rappers in there.
Oh, I brilliant.
I, I'd like and don't like.
(39:03):
Oh, I like.
I, I, I like it.
There's a big transition when you get to that second rapper though.
Yeah.
And I really liked that secondary rapper.
It's like, well, why did you make the whole cigar?
That's one of the things when you plan a transition in there.
That's one of the things some people love the beginning.
(39:26):
Some people love the end.
Some people love the whole thing all the way through.
So, I mean, I love it all the way through the, but yeah, there's a bunch.
Coiva.
The theirs.
I mean, there's a bunch of them.
Yeah.
So, and I mean, you're not going to go wrong with them.
Nice.
Well, good job at TPE.
All right.
(39:47):
You, you, you carried the mantle well.
We had a good time.
I love seeing all of them.
There are heroes.
So that's how that goes.
Yeah.
There you go.
All right.
You want to look at some technology?
This is something I think you might like.
We got some time and I'm loving this headline.
Yes.
(40:08):
New wonder material designed by AI is as light as foam, but strong as steel.
That's very interesting.
The pictures were interesting too.
Sounds like what I need to line my truck with.
Yeah.
Scientists have used AI to design a never before seen nano material with the strength of carbon steel and the lightness of styrofoam.
(40:32):
The new nano materials made using machine learning and a 3D printer.
More than doubled the strength of existing designs.
The scientists behind the study said they could be used to in stronger, lighter, more fuel efficient components for airplanes and cars.
The publisher findings and advanced materials journal of advanced materials.
(40:54):
So this is super cool.
So when I looked at the pictures, they basically had a bunch of Pac mark holes.
In this in this gray foam looking stuff.
And I was it grayish or bluish?
It was grayish.
And I guess it stopped everything because you couldn't see through it.
(41:17):
So I think it's not just airplanes and cars.
I think this will probably make its way into body armor.
And that's why I picked it out.
I thought you might think that's nice.
Yeah.
Now they're saying, oh, it would be nice because you can reduce your carbon footprint on the plane because now you got a stronger component.
(41:44):
Oh, 50 times lighter than any of you.
Yes.
And that's all very true.
I don't know because it looked it still looked like a foam.
So you're not going to have a foam as an outer shell of a plane.
You're still going to have steel and aluminum and all that.
But there could be major benefits.
Like they said, you epoxy paint it.
(42:07):
You're good.
It has to be a smooth surface for flying.
Yeah.
Any aerodynamics, even even a vehicle.
Yeah.
Well, they do say that the repeated building blocks.
This is really a sheet are one, one hundredth, the thickness of a human hair.
So when you start piling that up, it doesn't have to be that thick to be strong, right?
(42:34):
So that's amazing.
That's really awesome.
I love this kind of stuff.
That is, that is, this is absolutely amazing.
Yeah.
So shattered previous limits.
So you, you think that 3D, when you think 3D, I'm going to say that when most people think 3D printing, they think like what their home 3D printer.
(42:57):
No, this is this is a nano material.
This is my real scale.
And if you're concerned that how could this be so strong, but be 3D printed.
Remember, the carbon fiber that is made that airplanes are made out.
Right.
Like the 737 max or whatever that is.
Yeah.
(43:18):
That is 3D printed.
That is a printed fuselage.
And it is strong as fuck.
So yeah, don't be that concerned about it.
Yeah.
They said that, you know, the AI was part of this.
So it's, you know, machine learning or, you know, AI.
(43:41):
They learned by designs they generated and then it predicted other shapes that would best distribute stresses and carrying a heavy load because you don't want to be strong, but fragile.
Right.
Like, like ceramic.
Yes.
Right.
It's strong.
But when you fracture it, it fractures in a big way.
(44:02):
So they want to avoid that kind of thing.
This is a number that's impressive.
With these shapes in hand, the researchers used a 3D printer to create the new nano lattices, finding that they could withstand a stress of 2 megapack mega Pascal's for every cubic meter per kilogram, which is five times higher than titanium.
(44:30):
Five times stronger than titanium sounds like and lighter weight sounds like they need to make black boxes out of this shit.
They need to make a lot of stuff out of the way.
You know how we used to say that, you know, if black boxes can survive a plane crash, why don't you make a whole plane out of it.
We're about to because of the fucking way it is.
Why look at this.
Yeah.
Yes.
(44:51):
It's just beautiful.
Now you get this technology productionized.
The first company that makes an airplane out of this is going to be the winner.
It is because it'll be so light. The fuel costs will be so low.
Absolutely. And that is.
(45:12):
These planes are not cheap.
No, but the cost of fuel they spend.
The cost of ownership is high cost of ownership.
Very high. So if you can put up front cost and take out that cost ownership.
Yeah, they're doing it. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They're doing it.
Now I love this, this section.
(45:33):
And imagine that you could conceivably fly around the world nonstop on one virtual airplane.
Yeah.
On one fuel reload.
Yep.
So you know, even before Boeing starts making planes out of this.
The Air Force will end on the Navy because we have more planes in the Navy than we do.
(45:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you know what I mean? Well, commercially, commercially airbus will probably get there
first.
Probably.
But you, you're talking about military planes that are already billions of dollars.
What's a new material that's expensive going to really add to it?
Not all that much.
Not that much.
(46:18):
Yeah.
So especially when you start talking about tactical advantage of doubling and tripling your range.
Or whatever that matter.
They're already doing coatings for the radar cross section.
Sure.
So just make sure the coatings will stick to this.
Yeah.
Boom, baby.
And this is thin.
And so it says this is the first time machine learning has been applied to optimize nano architecture materials.
(46:47):
That surprises me.
I'm surprised we didn't try this earlier.
It doesn't sound right.
I know.
I could have sworn we've talked about nanotechnology with AI previously.
And I know we've talked about different lattice structures with AI.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe it is, but it doesn't sound right.
(47:09):
Yeah.
But it learned from the changes and made completely different lattice geometries.
They apparently slayed previous known lattice.
That's amazing.
See, it's this is this is this is why AI is awesome.
(47:34):
Material science.
We knew this.
We've said it.
Yep.
Material science is where it's going to make the biggest gains.
And it is.
And this is good.
And it's not like it did this from data we didn't know.
Yeah.
This took data that we knew.
And made it better.
And say, this seems optimum.
And then you're trying, you're like, that is optimum.
(47:57):
Yep.
That's where the gain is.
It's not.
Like I said, it's not pulling data out of its ass.
It's using data that already exists.
Right.
And coming up with things like this.
So to give you an idea of what that fuel savings is.
Bearing in mind, this is five times stronger than titanium.
(48:18):
If you were to replace components made of titanium on a plane with this material,
you would be looking at fuel savings of 80 liters per year for every kilogram.
You replace.
Holy shit.
And we don't make planes out of titanium.
No.
So what's that saving is going to be like that's going to get that for the carbon
(48:42):
people, this is big for the cost people.
This is big for the fuel people.
This is big.
Your first class tickets are going to drop 80%.
No profit margins of airlines are going to go up to where they actually make money
instead of losing money hand over fist.
Yeah.
Because people, people complain.
(49:04):
It's been there.
I'm one of those people about all the flights and I don't really complain about the cost
anymore.
It's not that bad, but on times and all that stuff.
But if you could actually be more profitable and afford to staff it properly and increase
your computer simulations of routes and do all this kind of stuff and maybe even
(49:29):
refuel less often, then you could probably make things more dependable.
Oh, absolutely make things more dependable.
We're, we're, I'm like, Oh, if I'm going to leave at eight 50, I'm leaving at eight 50,
not nine 15.
So I love this is, this is, this is beautiful.
(49:54):
Five times stronger than titanium.
I definitely want this to develop.
I mean, it's got everything.
We've got cost savings, planet savings, weights.
It's all amazing.
And practically manufacturing ready.
(50:15):
It does seem like it might be.
I mean, if they can print it, why can't you print it on anything?
I mean, we started out with carbon fiber, just, you know, coming out of a, as a thin line coming out of a tube.
Yeah.
Right.
And now we've got custom made machines building airplanes and I mean,
(50:42):
granted, okay.
Maybe this is where it starts.
Kind of like with carbon fiber.
Sports equipment.
Absolutely.
You buy a club made of this stuff.
Right.
A carbon fiber.
Oh, our softball bats are $400 a piece.
What if it was 500?
(51:03):
Nobody blink at that.
It's already 400.
Yeah.
And if it didn't break, you know, my bats we go through?
It's irritating.
Really irritating.
You make that titanium strength.
But like stronger than titanium and lighter weight than carbon fiber.
Yeah.
(51:24):
Over an aluminum shell.
Winning in and absolutely.
It's pretty damn awesome.
I think tennis rackels would be right there.
Remember all the graphite.
It's going to be everywhere.
Sports.
If you want adoption and figure out how to manufacture this stuff.
(51:46):
Do sports.
Put it in golf club because you'll they keep making them lighter.
Because of his speed.
Right.
You start with something golf clubs.
You start with that golf clubs are relatively easy.
Tennis rackets.
A little bit more difficult because strange shapes, right?
It's not just two.
So are tapering to.
So there you go.
(52:08):
Or ahead.
And you go through the different.
What if they made helmets out of this?
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean.
Because obviously it's not fragile.
It's inflexible, right?
Or it would crack.
So it's also flexible.
So yeah, helmet sounds good because you want it to compress and then rebound.
(52:32):
So you use smaller stuff, sports equipment, higher high volume, right?
Figure out the manufacturability process.
Right.
And then go with larger things, much like the carbon fiber journey.
Right.
Why would you arguably I love this arguably you might be able to get this.
To do that same journey in much less time.
(52:57):
I feel like it could be much less time because carbon fiber is really expensive to manufacture.
And this is 3D printed.
Now don't get me wrong.
It's probably very slow because of it's, it's on an nano scale.
But slow doesn't stop us for making things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cost does.
(53:18):
So the cost of this would be interesting to know.
But it's 100th.
The width of a human hair.
Well, you're not talking about a lot of mass.
So it.
So let's say it took you.
Two weeks.
To develop a few slides out of this.
Right.
(53:39):
Rather than, you know, less than a week for carbon fiber.
Not a problem.
It's.
Okay.
Let's say it took you three weeks.
Let's say it took you three times as long.
Yeah.
Because carbon fiber is not as light as foam.
The amount, the amount of money you would save after the fact is incredible.
(54:02):
Exactly.
I, it's this really stood out to me when I heard it.
I loved it.
I want.
We've talked about a lot of emerging technologies on the show.
What we do.
And most of them.
You don't ever hear from again.
Yeah.
I hope this one.
(54:23):
Oh, it's not.
We'll be hearing from this.
I think, I think a lot of people will see enough potential.
Yeah.
That they venture capitalists will hit this.
Like gain busters.
I think this will go.
I think, I think that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Branson did a, you know, did a deal with him.
(54:48):
Let's bring back Virgin Airlines.
It's awesome.
I love it.
And what are the space applications for it?
Exactly.
I mean, it's just the potential.
Just this one article, the potential is astronomical.
So, I think it's just the potential.
I mean, it's just the potential.
Just this one article, the potential is astronomical.
(55:12):
Space is trying to make it funny.
I got it.
All right, man.
My rankings easy.
I can rank it easy.
Rome's going to be in a separate category from whiskey.
So this is number one.
We did a ranked class show.
I kind of.
No, that's fine.
(55:33):
I got lazy.
We, if you don't remember, we decided to put whiskey and rum in its own.
And rum in its own category.
And so, because you can't, you can't put them together.
No.
So this is number one.
So my ranking is easy.
It is the first rum and it is number one.
So where are you going to put this Perdomo 20 Maduro?
(56:01):
All right.
So when you said you were going to make this tough.
I meant it.
You did mean it.
And this, this was.
Okay.
I don't think you're going to be surprised where I put it.
Okay.
But you might be.
(56:23):
Okay.
Jeez.
I keep touching things.
That's a problem with me in technology.
I keep touching things.
Where did you decide to put this?
Damn son.
I'm telling you.
All right.
He put this in the number one spot.
(56:46):
Number one slide.
Number one.
This is my list, bitches.
So we got the Perdomo 20th anniversary Maduro and number one.
The Evan Chura Blue Eyed Jack in number two.
And the Evan Chura Kings golden number three.
Wrapping out the top five.
We got the diesel original and number four.
And the Caldwell Midnight Express is number five.
(57:09):
Okay.
So I will, I will tell you right now that my first inclination was to put it between,
put it to number four slots.
So between the Avatar, King's gold and the diesel original.
The more I thought about it, the more I realized just how much I love this earth.
(57:31):
Your Earth guy.
Yeah.
Your Earth guy.
We're going to see a pivot this year from baking spices to earth.
Just I just, I really did.
I really, really did.
And I, I can't tell you just how it's a great six.
I am that you put this on the show.
So thank you for this.
(57:52):
And yeah, so it made its way into number one.
Nice.
But I will tell you my first inclination, generally you go with your,
your gut feeling, your first feeling.
Right.
But I had to give it a little thought.
You, you consternated.
And boom, boom, right up there.
(58:14):
Nicely done, sir.
I feel better.
Oh, heck yeah.
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