DDR 052 - The Pursuit of Virtue in Daily Life - Don't Die Rusty Podcast

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Yeah
Good call.
That is very, very cool.
I got a plant.
All right.
So, yeah.
Anyway, how's everybody been?

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You good?
Good.
Good.
All right.
Well, I'm gonna start the podcast here in a second.
Let me swallow here so I don't cough and spit.
Anyway, I'm just kidding.

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All right.
Everybody here?
Everybody all right?
All right.
All right.
Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
This is going to be a very, very, very, very, very, very, very interesting conversationhere tonight with, yes, with three of the rictastics and one stand in because our

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Our tambourine player is off doing something else.
That's Ashley Kurtenbach usually, with a tambourine player.
But tonight we have filling in as our tambourine player, none other than Sierra Obler.
And then we have lead guitar and vocalist, Ricky Bruhle.

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And we have Kelly Lovelace on drums.
He's like the Phil Collins of the Ricktastics.
Bill Collins.
Wow.
And it's been so long since Ricky Bruhle has been on with me, I just about forgot hisname.
But I remembered it now.
And it's not like we were like the band that was gonna break up and get, we weren't theEagles or anything like that.

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We all get along, you know?
yeah
We're all alive and kicking and, and, yeah, just had stuff going on.
Right.
So I just had to stay on the behind the scenes and, and give Rick the spotlight forawhile.
So.
Yeah, and it was a dim spotlight at that anyway, so anyway Anyway, you know It I missthese conversations actually, you know, sometimes I really really Miss our conversations

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that we have because we go with places that some people never really
They think about maybe sometimes, but they won't actually get out and talk about.
And I'm, and we've talked about this before where we have the conversations and then weopen up other conversations for people to talk about what we talked about.

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And I'm not trying to say this and that and you know what, but I'm just saying, but I'm,I'm, you know, I've been reading a book called right thing right now by Ryan holiday.
And I try to put what he's saying into my leadership at work.

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And I try to keep on telling people that sometimes we need to do the right thing, even ifit doesn't help us out.
I hope you understand that, what I'm saying.
And...
He had one thing in there, like it said, I guess this podcast is gonna come out next week,so I'm not, we have an all-store meeting tomorrow night.

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But I'm gonna finish it with, we shouldn't, and I posted this too, we shouldn't majorsuccess, like we shouldn't say,
How was I successful today, but how have we helped other people out to be successful?

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And doing the right thing and living a good life.
I start seeing, I just start seeing people that are so divisive at times because theyaren't getting what they want.
And I just, I was wondering, I wanted to do this and just talk about like, I'm, if we caninfluence anybody by looking at this, cause I always say I cheer everybody on, which I do,

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you know, I, sometimes I get defensive because I feel like, you know, if you could justsee it my way, you're doing it the right way.
we all know that's been kind of a mistake every once in a while.
Yeah.
But you know, but what I'm trying to get at is.

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we should be doing the right thing because it's the right thing for not just for us, butfor the people around us.
And I hope we can strike up some conversations here, because Sierra actually sent me atext or called me.

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Sometimes she doesn't answer me for days and sometimes she doesn't even text me back forweeks.
you know, you're looking at, and I understand we're talking to a woman that's gonna have ababy here.
And when you're having your baby,
Well, he's due April 1st, but I told my doctor if we get close to the end of March, it'scoming out.

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Yeah.
Well, here's, well, folks, you just heard it here first.
My birthday's March 22nd and if it's both on my birthday, she's gonna name it after me.
So that's all right.
I'm good.
I'm good with that.
Rick sounds good to me.
That's what I thought too, Ricky.
But Sierra sent me a text a while ago about we should do a podcast also called Simple NotEasy.

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and here's what direction do you guys wanna go?
Because I look at Simple Not Easy as also a good conversation to have.
Yeah, I'm a bit torn.
I've got thoughts kind of in both directions.

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So, I mean, I think since you're reading that book, it would make more sense or be maybemore appropriate to talk about what you initially wanted to discuss.
Well, you know, mean, here's the deal.
had, had a excerpt and it said, you know, how many, here's a, here's a, here's a goodstart to it in all of you.

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How many truly honest people do you know?
Anybody?
I would like to think there's a handful, but sometimes, you know, I'm guarded becausethere's lots of people in my life that I thought were honest.

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And usually you kind of find something out about them, you know.
But.
Yeah, it is a it's a it's a rare quality, I think.
These days, it's hard to find, and so I think that's why as you get older, I think you.
start to kind of limit the number of time, the number of people that you choose to spendyour time with because you, you you're just going to put more of that time into those

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people that are, that are honest and trustworthy and loyal.
Cause I, I tried to pride myself on being the most honest person I, you know, sometimes Ithink since this podcast has began, I've, I've let myself be seen from the inside out.

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And thankfully to you guys, probably all three of you actually in different situations.
I've let myself be seen with our when we were up in 24 below zero weather in oaks, northdakota Freezing our butts off having a good conversation with kelly I exposed myself to

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the world and I think when we come on these episodes here and Expose ourselves to theworld There can't get much more honesty than that And
And Kelly, you have brought that out of us at times because of your wisdom.

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And you have also given us more things to think about.
And Sierra texts me every once in while, but I text her right back anyway.
And gives me other ideas because she tells me what she's heard in our conversations attimes too.

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I trust Kelly because he's been very honest with me in life.
And trust you Ricky and Sierra and I trust a few other people, but I always wonder ifthere's always a, with some people, I think they're good people, but I always wonder if
there's an ulterior motive at one, every once in a while.

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I'm just, I was wondering if there's a leg.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Be a Ler.
go.
So yeah, what are your guys thoughts on this stuff?
Kelly, you go first and then I'll go.

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Okay, I've got friends like Mike.
I'm real careful about who I let in my circles, my inner circles.
I've been burned a few times in my life and by people that I probably should not have beenburned by.

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People that should have been in my corner and weren't right and so there's moments where Ihave to make myself trust people
Yeah.
try to think the best, I guess.
I do have people in my life that are very honest with me, and I appreciate that.

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Even when it's hard, I think it's good to have close friends who know you well and areable to tell you the hard things.
They're just not there to butter you up and move you along and keep the relationshipkosher.
They're your friend and they're telling you the hard stuff because they love you and youcan trust them.

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So I think we all have maybe some of those people in our life.
But a majority of people, and I'll just agree with you, Rick, that there's an ulteriormotive or a secondary agenda to the relationship.
I don't know how you get around that stuff, right?

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It's going to happen.
And usually you see it pretty quickly.
Yeah, that's my thoughts here.
You know, kind of like I agree with both of you.
I think, you know, I even with Troy, my husband, it took me five years to even let him askme out on a date.

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So the trust aspect for me is like such a long-term thing for me to actually trust you.
And so, you know, I bet there is just a handful of people too for me that it's like Iwould trust you with anything.
I know that you're gonna tell me the hard truth.
But you know, I also look at it as like my son, Koi, who's three, he's honest abouteverything, whether you want him to be or not.

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And so in that aspect too, it's kind of a light to be like, okay, you know, why are we nothonest when this three year old walks around telling me everything?
Like I said, whether we want to hear it and know all of it or not.
But then I also think, you know, being honest,
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versus just not saying anything is a big part as an adult to be like, right now I need tobe honest with you, whereas maybe I just need to listen, not respond, and then be honest
at a different time.
I think about that sometimes or, you know, if I'm honest with everyone, but how deep intothat trust and that honesty do I go?

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with different people, because there's some people where, I'll dive into anything and I'llbe honest, and then there's other people where I'm still gonna be honest with you, but I'm
also gonna draw that line of where I stop with the trust, too.
I like what you said about that the kind of the time and you know if you know there was atime where truth was a fault for me to the point where

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sometimes it was hurtful.
And we all know the saying, right, the truth hurts.
I had to, you know, the church taught me that I have to speak the truth and love, right.
And so I always think about that.
And so I've gotten better.
Sometimes things still get blurted out.
And, know, just, you know, there's always that redeeming factor of, well, I said thetruth, like I'm speaking truth, right.

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So there's that.
you're kind of giving yourself a pat on the back for speaking the truth.
But to your point, you got to do it with love and you got to sometimes maybe even stepback.
That's one skill that took me a while to figure out is that maybe now is not the time forthis conversation.
Maybe I got maybe we need to step away from this and just have, you know, take a breather,put some thought into it.

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Sometimes it takes a day or maybe even two days.
But but yeah, I think that's pretty important, too, is the timing.
.
And I do too.
mean, I understand that we need to choose our times to tell that person that thing.
There's sometimes that you just walk away from the situation at that time until you'realone.

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I mean, there's sometimes you don't need to make a scene and make somebody feel like anidiot right in front of other people.
And if you care about, because here's the deal, we've all been around those people that
Like I'll tell, I can shoot a 200 inch whitetail and, and Kelly would tell me a story andhe'd shoot a 201 inch whitetail and Ricky would shoot a 203 inch whitetail and Sierra

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would just beat us all and shoot a 230 incher.
But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is we know those people that they haven't shot aspike.
But they're telling us that they told us the story because they want to one up us.
And we get to those situations where, you know what, maybe either you get them out of yourlife, out of that, where, you know, it's just an acquaintance and you don't have to see

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them again.
So you just don't say anything.
Or we are friends with them and say, you know what, maybe you need just to listensometimes and not...
voice your opinion or tell us a story that we know isn't true.
There's a classic line that comes with people that I like to call one-uppers and it alwaysgoes, oh, that's nothing.

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It always starts with, oh, that's nothing.
We used to have a one-upper at our shop and I kid you not, he one-upped me on a toiletinstall once.
I was just talking about installing a new toilet and then all of sudden he goes, that'snothing.
And I stopped him.

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like, wait a minute.
You're about to up me on a toilet installation right now.
So, but you know, mean, in that situation, you know, it's interesting to me because I lookat

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That's a virtue thing to me too.
And also in the book it said, virtue has to be our compass, goodness has to be our goal.
And you know, mean, to tell you the truth, Ricky and I, I mean, we've been doing enoughhunting shows or something like that where there are these one-uppers, but I, I, I usually

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listen and I, and I sometimes I don't say anything.
There's some people I get, like I said earlier, I get defensive with, I, I want to sayscrew you and I can show you pictures.
Now let's see yours in that fact, but.
Since I've been doing things and reading these books, try not to get so, it's notdefensive.

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It's just like, I wanted to point out this, you're not all there.
You know what I mean?
You're not telling the whole story.
that's my problem.
My problem is, and most of you know this, is if I'm telling a story,

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It's Rick was a dumbass and probably did do that.
Yeah.
And many of you have been with me in that situation.
And I'm sorry, Kelly, but you know, many of you have been with me in those situationswhere what the heck is Rick doing?
And I can tell the story that I got into and I got into this somehow mess and I'm luckily,I'm still here talking to you guys because I got out of it.

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And sometimes I might add a little something for laughter, but you know what I mean?
It's not, I don't, I think it comes with confidence too.
I think when you become confident with yourself, you don't have to one up somebody.
Yeah, you, I want to go back real quick, Rick, read that quote again from the book.

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It said, said, virtue, where am I?
It said, should, virtue has to be our compass, but goodness has to be our goal.
So for anybody who doesn't know like the specific definition of what virtue is, it's abehavior showing high moral standards.

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So essentially, by breaking that down, what you're saying is have those high moralstandards, but also think about, don't forget about the goodness, being a good person.
So I just wanted to break that little bit.
cause it also in that it says you can be a great man.
It's easy to be a great man, but it's what is it?

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It's easy to be a great man.
It's easier to be a great man than a good one.
Cause we major great people, some great people on what they have achieved in finances.
you know, but sometimes it's harder to be, it's harder to be a good man, good person.

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And that's what, gosh darn, I mean,
If you're watching any social media posts of mine or the Don't Die Rusty's, we're alwayspushing out to be a good person every day.
And you know what?
These posts that I put out, that Don't Die Rusty puts out, we...

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It's so interesting when you do this every day.
It's kind of like working out.
And when you post something good every day and you see it every morning.
It's made me a better person because that's how I'm starting out my day.
And when you get to, when you get to that one o'clock in the afternoon thing, and you'rethinking about being that this day is, is crumbling around you and all these demons are

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coming after you.
And if
that one post that we have done and I'm not kidding you, there's been times that I go backand look at that in the middle of the day and I go, you wrote this or do you believe in
this or are you just saying it?

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And I've had other people send me messages about, thank you, I needed that today.
But what I'm saying is, if we try to live the good life, if we try to not be great, but wetry to be good, we become better.

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Yeah, what it boils down to, think, is what are you pursuing?
What are you going after?
What are you pursuing?
So sometimes you have to sacrifice greatness to be good.
And I think you kind of started off this conversation that way, Rick, like I have thismoment for greatness, but to be the to do the good that I want to do, I'm going to have to

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sacrifice that at times.
And that's because to be good, you have to be self-sacrificing.
And this is this this is the way that
We want to try and live in order to better ourselves.
What am I pursuing?
If I want to be a morally good person and virtue and morality is my compass, then I'mgoing to have to do things differently.

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I'm going to have to hold myself to a different standard than what we see taking place inthe world.
That's not easy.
That's hard.
I've been talking to my son recently just about mental toughness.
And I think it needs to come in here.

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I think this is a good place to kind of insert that because as we pursue our goals, as wego after this high moral standards, we pursue virtue for the sake of being a better
person, a good person.
There's going to be times of adversity.
There's going to be things that tempt us or try to push us off of our path.

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and so at that point we have to have this mental toughness.
You know, today I might not feel like helping that other person today.
I'm just in a bad mood and I don't everybody I talk to, I'm a bear towards, it gets, weget that way.
Like we have bad days and so we have to develop this mental toughness.

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to stay focused because there's so many things out there is going to distract us from,from pursuing, from, from heading towards virtue.
And then the result of that, the fruit of that should be goodness, right.
And me.
so we don't develop that mental toughness when things are going well, we develop thatmental toughness when we struggle.

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And we can say that about a lot of things.
Like we just become better at what we do when we, we learn from our struggles.
But mental toughness is a key component in all of that because without that mentaltoughness, we give up without that mental toughness, we give in, right?
Which those are two different things, giving up and giving in.
And so we've got to be able to realize that there are moments when it's tough and maybe wecan't trust the people that are in our circle right now.

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We might feel completely alone in that moment.
we have to realize we have a goal.
I can't remember who told me the quote.
but there's a quote that was given to me that said, don't, don't take what you want nowand sacrifice what you really want.
So let's say I'm, trying to lose weight, but boy, that cake looks good.

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My goal is to drop 50 pounds, but I want to eat that whole chocolate cake sitting overthere.
Don't sacrifice what you really want for what you want right now.
That's the quote, right?
Does that make sense?
And so this, this goes into this like,
What are we chasing after?
And if that's our goal, we have to make a decision to stay focused on that, even in thosemoments when it starts to get fuzzy, blurry, and hard.

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You might be moving right into your simple and easy, simple, not easy, before you know it,
.
Well, well, you keep on, here's the funny thing.
And when we were talking simple, not easy, it's amazing for me, but I just had thisconversation and I don't know if it pertains to what we're talking about, but I had it

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today.
And it was with a state trooper.
And I know we're gonna get religious.
I'm gonna get religious on you guys at this moment, okay?
But I am gonna use it.
He works for me now.
He's a retired state trooper.
And we were talking and he's seen a lot of crappy stuff.

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And we were talking and somehow we got talking about God.
And he says, and he's from the South.
So.
I don't know if I should do my southern accent that he does, but he's kind of like, hesaid to me, I don't care who you are.
I don't care if you say you're the most believing atheist that you are.

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When you're in a car wreck, everybody believes in God.
Everybody believes in God, he said, because that's the first words that come out of yourmouth.
God, can you help me?
And here's where I'm going with that though.
When you were talking about what you earlier, we have to decide the directions we're goingto go.

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Are we going to be that good person?
And what helps us be that good person?
Cause here's the other thing we were talking about too.
Cause we have to be centered.
We have to have centered and who is the most who
believes the most, you have to, I think he was reading a book, you guys might know it issomething about he's the most believing atheist or something, it was a thing.

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I can't remember how it was worded, but it was like, but here's the deal.
If we do not have the virtues, I think,
Being the good person is showing your integrity.
And I walked out of a meeting yesterday and I was in a two and a half hour meeting.

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It was actually one and a half hours and then it got to be 45 minutes extra and I get alittle passionate about it when I'm talking about it I back my fellas up every time I get
it and that's what we're talking about.
But here's what I said.
I said, I'll get this thing done for you.
And he's, cause he was going to do some paperwork.

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said, you'd keep that paperwork right now, but I'll get that thing done for you.
And because I have integrity and character and I'm giving you my word.
And that's all I have because I'm not a rich man.
Cause if I was a rich man, I'd probably fly you guys here and we would be talking inperson and giving you, you know, we'd be sitting around a table and actually we wouldn't

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be here.
We'd be.
in Oaks, North Dakota enjoying the 24 below weather.
me, if you're spending money to travel somewhere, you don't want to spend it to come toOaks, North Dakota.
I'd be bringing you guys in for once a week, you know, but what I'm saying is, if that'swhat I pride myself on and at time when I was 20 years old, I would have probably said I

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was that and not had confidence that I was that.
I would have said, you can believe me.
I am all the trials and all the tribulations and everything that has happened to me.
in my life that I've created.
I'm not gonna deny that I wasn't the one creating some of the messes I got into.

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But what I am saying is going through that, why do we have to go through all the hardshipsto figure out who we are?
I have no idea that we can't live a, have a fun life.
We always have to go to the ends of the earth and go through hell to figure out that weneed to turn something around to

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go good, but that's way it is.
know, mean, but that's where I'm going with this is you learn from this stuff and I wantto become the best person I want to be, can be.
And it started 15 years ago with you, Kelly.
It started when you walked into my life and I thought I was good, but I didn't know I wasgood.

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And I,
And I know I can go in that direction and you helped me get that confidence to become abetter person.
Now, I look at Ricky.
I remember us in Indianapolis at an ATA show, I had the time of my life at that stuff andI know who Ricky is.

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I know Kelly because you and I have been through some torturous times.
There's more times with Ricky than that.
And then I know Sierra, and I'm talking about with me mentally, not you.
Well, no, I'll get to you, Sierra.

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But the torturous part is watching you miss a mule, miss deer.
I don't know how many, was that 50 times you missed?
And then I see Sierra grow up.
And I see her being competitive.

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I see her drive.
I see how she has grown as a woman.
And all three of you I'm proud of to say that you're in this circle.
And we've always talked about the circle of friends.

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Mm-hmm.
And that's where I was talking about that honest friend.
Do they want something from you or are they being truly honestly good to you?
You know, okay, I think part of it, when you start talking about your virtues, to someextent, every person dives into their faith in some way, because without your faith, it's

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kind of like you lose half of a third of all of your virtues.
And so it's like, okay, if I am a believer, then what I do and my virtues are going to bebased off of that.
I also think, know, Rick, you talking about why do we have to go through all these hardtimes and all of this?

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I have, well, ever since Grandma Dot, your mom, passed away, I have just been trying veryhard to, I will never, I'm kind of biased, but I don't think I will ever meet anyone who
was as deep into their faith and was just blunt about it as Grandma Dot was.

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I like to think that, you know, I can dive as deep into it as she was because it was verymuch, you know what?
Yes, we are going through a hard time, but God has this figured out for us.
He's gonna watch us do this.
He's gonna watch us make these choices, make these decisions.
But at the end of the day, just because we make those decisions and we think we know ourvirtues doesn't mean he's gonna just up and leave, because he doesn't agree.

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I think it's more of a, he's gonna watch us struggle.
He's gonna say, yep, this is what's gonna happen.
They're gonna make this choice.
But in the end, I still know it's gonna happen.
And I'm gonna help them figure out which virtues are right.
And at 20 years old, our virtues are very different, even at 30 years old or whatever itis.
So I think when you start tying all of that in and even the morality of things, like theyall go hand in hand and you can question all of them in a different way and to a different

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extent.
But at the end of the day,
They all have to work together for you to be that bigger and better person than you wereyesterday.
Yeah, you know, cause I'd prefer the chocolate cake without frosting on it and a littlevanilla on top because that's what Kelly was talking about earlier.

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Now he made me hungry, but no, I'm just kidding.
But it's kind of funny how this turns, it is the right thing.
It's funny how this book is, I get to a chapter and I go, what in the world does this do?

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And it's funny, what's really funny is, I can't remember what I read a long time ago and Itold people to read, but it just kept on repeating itself.
Like one chapter would just touch on the next chapter.
and the next chapter would touch on what we just read and the next chapter would touch.
So you repeated everything and you started understanding how the whole thing went.

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And it kind of got me believing in what the author was trying to say and understanding it,I should say, not believing, but understanding.
And then I talked to you guys and this has been on my mind for like, I've been.
I get up in the morning and go for my walks and it was 12 below yesterday, Kelly, and itis two below today and I was out there in frost, but the moon was wonderful.

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I did focus on that about the moon today.
But here's what I'm saying is it's been on my mind for I bet a month and a half now aboutjust there's certain people in my life and I can't.
they're gonna be there and I gotta keep them at arm's length, but I don't see theintegrity, I don't see the virtue, and I don't see certain things that you aren't gonna

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make me a better person.
You aren't gonna help me out in any way, and I keep on trying, so I try to help thembecause I believe that if we try to help people see that they're missing something.
see that you know what, this is why you only have a certain amount of friends and do youreally call them friends because here's the deal.

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I don't believe in you because I see what you're giving to the world and it's not moraland ethical and I'm the least person, I can say that like we talked earlier, your
you change your moral and ethical values as you grow because you're learning what they areor don't you think or.

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Yeah, I think it's an, the angle at which you're at, dependent on where it stays.
You are in life and, as you get older, your, your perspective widens.
Right.
So I, there's two words that I kind of talk about and that's perception versusperspective.
My perceptions in life aren't always true, but once I started getting a better angle on itI can see the bigger picture, I get a more truthful perspective of what I'm looking at.

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Right.
And the magnifying glass starts working a little better as you gain some experience, yougain some knowledge, and you gain some understanding.
Those are three totally separate things.
Wisdom is a big part of that.
And wisdom is given.
Wisdom is not something like you learn out of a book or it's something that you're given.

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You're given this viewpoint.
That's really what we've got to come into some grips with is what, is our perspective andis it, are we looking for the truth or are we receiving whatever comes my way that
benefits me as the truth?
That's totally different, right?

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you know, I want to go back to what Sierra said about faith.
So the first question you've got to ask yourself about virtue is who sets that standard inyour life.
What, what makes, who says this is virtuous?
Who says this is untrustworthy?
Who is it?
Where did, where did that come from?

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Like I think I could say my dad taught me some very virtuous things, but he was taughtthose.
Those weren't his, he didn't come up with them.
this is something that I teach when I'm given the opportunity.
So I'm just going to kind of steal the opportunity real quick.
Right.
And that's this.
So
you know that's one of the 10 commandments not to steal, but I'll let you do it this time.

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I appreciate you schooling me on the 10th commandments.
That's perfect.
You're killing me, OK, so here we go.
Let's I call them the.

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The P series, OK, so you have a principle that we put in our life.
We should tell the truth.
We should be honest.
Why?
Because there's a there's a precept.
It's a law that says don't bear false witness or don't lie.
That's one of the 10 commandments to.
Right?

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So precept.
So the precept supports the principle.
It's not the other way around.
And if you have a precept that you're living by and you understand that there's a...
If you have a principle you're living by and you understand there's a precept that backsup that principle, then you have to believe there's a person who wrote the precept.

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Right?
There's a person who came up with the
the law or the rule.
Okay.
And for me, that's God, that's God, the father, God, the son, God, the Holy Spirit.
That's that, that includes God, the father, Jesus Christ and his Holy Spirit that he sentwith us.
And so when we talk about virtue, we have to go back to this, the P series here, the threePs and understand somebody had to write that down and tell you what was right and wrong.

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Correct?
I mean, you think about it,
So, Sarah, you got a three-year-old.
How does he know what right and wrong are?
You have to teach him.
all, yep, it's all just being taught to them,
Right.
There are some things he might kind of catch on his own, but more often than not, you haveto teach him that.

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So when he this happened to us, when my oldest daughter was three, we were in the grocerystore and a larger lady walked by.
She's sitting in the cart and she said, Mom, that lady's that really loud.
It's a truth, but you probably shouldn't say that.

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Right?
It's embarrassing moment.
She's three.
She doesn't know that it's not proper, right?
To say that out loud in front of the person that you're saying about.
they have to be taught.
You teach them.
So we have a Father in heaven who teaches us.
Jesus gave us his teachings and his example to follow.

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And so we have to come to terms with that first.
Who says,
This is virtuous.
And who says this is not a good example of virtue, right?
From there, we can move on.
We can start to, it's easier to focus on doing the right thing, not the great thing.

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Sometimes the right thing and the great thing are different.
Right?
And so we allow God's word to lead us and direct us.
And that's when we begin to trust it, trust Him.
put our faith in that.
that's like, we're starting out here.
We're talking about trusting somebody.
You asked how many honest people are in our life.

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I have to trust God before I trust anybody else.
I have to trust that he's got a plan for me.
I have to trust that he did what he said he did and he's going to do what he says he'sgoing to do.
Right.
And so I have to trust him.

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before I trust others.
And what I've learned, especially in my field as a pastor is that God will show you who'sbeing open and honest with you and who is not.
I'd like to believe that I'm a discerning person all on my own, but it's not me.
It's what God shows me in people.
And in my experience that goes along with that, my experience working with people hasshown me what those two colors look like.

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And the bottom line is,
No one changes on their own.
It takes God to change them.
Okay.
Here's the crazy thing.
He's called all of us to partner with him in order to change the people of the world.
That's the only way to change the culture.
Hmph.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
And I promise I won't try to teach you about what the Ten Commandments are and what theyare.
I'm just saying he said he was gonna steal things, you know, I'm just trying to keep him
just a little bit of time.
I stole a little bit of time.

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I borrowed, how about that?
That's better, I borrowed it.
I'll give it back now.
All right.
But here's the funny thing.
Here's a question I have to ask you though.
Cause we gain wisdom, did you say like we gain wisdom, correct?
Is that?

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a gift from God through our experiences.
you know, there are people who do the same thing over and over over and over over again,all the time, and they don't ever learn from it.
Right.
And they're trying to get a different result.
But isn't that the definition I think Einstein's credited with saying, insanity is doingthe same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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Yeah.
Well, I've seen people just do the same thing over and over and over again, and they nevergain an ounce of wisdom from those moments.
So I do believe it comes in the experience when we mess up or when we're looking at life,but it's a gift that God gives us.
I hope it does.
The ability to like pivot and try to do it differently.

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That's the wisdom.
That's where God shows us, right?
Cause my question was going to be going back.
The ice cream thing kind of made me think about something when we were thinking in it'sabout.
A cake and a, but anyway.

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Well, I'm telling you, it's one of those deals.
I just love ice cream.
It's.
But here's the deal is when you're 20 years old, when you're 15 to 20 to, we'll go even to30 we'll say, and you can eat all the cake and ice cream and Mountain Dew and have a taco

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here and there and maybe a cookie.
But what I'm going with this is,
your reasoning is that you can have all this stuff because you're young, you don't noticebecause you're moving all the time, you're active, you don't get fat as your daughter

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would say.
I didn't say that.
But here's where I'm going with this.
When your value system, here's where I'm going is their value system, your integrity isthat, that has to be growing with you when you're going through
all those early 20 year old experiences, and either you go one direction or you might gomiddle or you might go the other direction.

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And I'm saying like, give up on life or everything's gonna, you're turning and you'resaying, the wisdom is coming and I need to be a more virtuous person.
need to be more, do you grow up with that, do you think?
Or do you learn in your 20s?
I only have to lift a little bit when I'm 20 and I look good, you know, that kind ofstuff.

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And what I'm going with that is things are going good sometimes when you're at that age,because you don't think about anything else, because you've been to college, you got, did
this and that, and you had some fun or whatever you went and did.
And life is good.
can live, how many 20 year olds live simple?

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If I went back and had to eat ramen noodles and sleep on a couch or something, I mighthave a backache and a stomach ache all at the same time.
I've gained wisdom that I don't want to eat that.
All right.
So I got.

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I think I could say this about all four of my kids.
Sarah, I've got just so you know, I've got two grown daughters that are married and I'vegot two grandkids and a grand grandkid on the way.
And then I've got an eight.
I got it.
got a 20.
year old son and then I've got an 18 year old that's still at home.

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He's a senior this year.
And I can honestly say that all four of them have made way better decisions in their 18 to27.
Right?
Like I've got 18 to 27 year old kids and they're all making, they've all made betterdecisions.
It seems like that, that I made when I was that age.

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Right.
And I can't explain it other than maybe there's some factors that go into this.
So number one, it's the people that God brings along your path that stick, that help youto see better.
Like that's something that I pray for for all my kids is that there would be a person ofinfluence who is not me that would lead them in the right direction and they learn from

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them.
It's somebody who would influence their decision-making in their life because parents arekind of like, you know, it's my dad.
He's supposed to say those things kind of deal.
The other part of it is I'd like to believe that I influenced them starting out at anearly age when they're three and I'll give you an example.
So my daughter Jessica was she's the oldest that's the one who's called the lady fat inthe grocery store.

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Hopefully she listens to that.
Yeah, she, she was young toddler and we had a fireplace with a little man, like a, I don'tknow what you call it.
It's a little step up and then the fireplace.
whatever that a hearth and my wife had one of those smelly scented candles on there.

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And I, and I lit it and she goes, you need to move that.
Cause Jessica's going to burn herself.
And I go, no, let's, let's not move it.
And I looked at Jessica when I lit it because she's, you know, it's a flame, so it looksreally cool.
And I go, don't touch that.
It's hot.
I go, that's hot.
And I walked away and Ronnie goes, you're not going to move it.

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And I go, no, she's going to burn herself.
I said, if she touches the candle, unless her hands are numb or she's just an absolute.
mental patient.
She's going to move her hand, right?
Like she's not going to let it catch fire.
So it wasn't but a few seconds and she cried and we went in and she had a little bit ofsoot on her finger.

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And I go, that's hot.
Don't touch that.
Right?
Well, now I just taught my daughter a lesson in life.
There's a little pain involved.
It sounds horrible when you, you know, come when you hear me tell the story.
But now I don't have to worry about her grabbing pot handles on the stove.
Cause I say that's hot and she backs away.
Right.
Cause she knows what hot means.

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So, so I'd like to believe that I've helped them learn some life lessons in a protectedenvironment before they were released out into the world.
And so they gained a little bit of wisdom in my own house that I was able to pass ontothem.
So I think there's a lot of factors, lot of factors.

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with my daughter, you know, being for the natural consequences are some of the better waysfor them to learn.
But like you said, like in a in a more controlled environment, I don't know what it is.
What is it that doesn't Jordan Peterson say something like you got to let your kids dodangerous things carefully, something like.
Yep.

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Yep, that's how, even when I entered the toddler stage, was let your kids do dangerousthings in a safe environment.
Because it's like, if you let them, if you watch from a distance that they're doingsomething, you're still there.
So if something severe actually happens, you're watching them.
But they do need to just learn the consequences and do all that.
But I was also going to piggyback off that and kind of what you were saying, Rick, likehow it's so different and Kelly, how like the people or the younger.

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I guess generations are making different choices.
I also think like the society has shifted that and what is seen as a good or bad choice isvery different.
Cause you know, I'll hear stories from my parents or from Rick or from other people andthey're like, well, we used to do this all the time.
And now you look at it into today's world and you're like, you would never even let thatthought cross your mind versus like, I think that also in today's

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generations.
It makes a big difference of all of that and know social media always comes up inconversation with that too of well we could do this and we never got caught because we
didn't have the social media and now kids live in a world where they are basically areborn and they know how to run all the technology.
So it's like I think a lot of that too plays into effect of what are you seeing asvirtuous?

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What's good and bad?
I think the social media influences of
All right, yep.
is what I see and yeah so all of that plays a big part too.
Yeah, I agree.
So there's multiple factors here when we start talking about wisdom and learning andgrowing and getting like moving away from a perception of something and getting a more

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true perspective of it, right?
It's like when Rick walks up on that 200 inch deer and it suddenly becomes 130 inch deer.
Perspective.
And there's another perspective here too.
And I'm getting a little angry here when I was listening to you guys talking about, it youwere putting your kids into a safe, dangerous perspective or environment?

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Was that what it was?
Let him be dangerous in a safe environment.
I wonder what happened to me, because I never had the safe environment.
I was just like, you just go do.
Because it does, because Sierra's talking about her grandma and my mom, and I'm looking ata corn crib that's 20, 20 foot high, and it has boards that probably would have broken.

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Okay.
I go get my mom to watch me jump off the corn crib into a haystack.
And I just laugh about it and do it 10 times.
And then I wonder why I'm the way I am at times, my gosh.
Well, I'll just.

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safe, it was a safe environment.
Mom was watching.
you
Some of those experiences that you've gone to, Rick, with calving and all that kind ofstuff, I'm a lot more careful with my daughter around cattle and horses.
So you've helped us out in that respect.
Well, thank you, you know.

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But you know, it is interesting how Sierra says that though, because, know, I seesometimes that we are, I look at parenting different, but I can look at parenting
different, because I don't have any kids.
So I have imaginary kids and I'll just let it run wild anyway.

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But, but.
I look at it and it is like, want them to be, I like letting the, if I had kids, I don'tknow what they'd be like.
And I questioned myself at times and I used to get, as I think some females would say whenthey get to be my age, I used to get a little clucky because I was thinking that I needed

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kids.
needed, I wanted to have that, that,
legacy or whatever, because I wanted to watch somebody grow up and help them grow up andlearn from my errors in wisdom, which I grew from those errors and helped them become a
different person.

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know, we're all going in this direction.
Like that, I, I don't know what I'm trying to say here, but I'm, I'm just saying we dolearn from our
errors, it's hot, it's, you know, you hung around the wrong person at the wrong, probably,you could get lucky, you hung around the wrong person at the right time and you learn that

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you need to get away from that person because they're toxic.
And I'm saying that I believe that there are toxic people for certain people.
I believe that I was lucky.
to find the people now that don't, they aren't nuclear waste in the aspect that you touchit and you're, something's gonna go wrong.

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Because.
you think, Rick, though, that's part of your focus and what you pursue?
Right.
Like, think about that.
Like, if I'm pursuing this and I'm not pursuing the same thing they are, that person whois not of high moral character is probably going to go a different direction.
Now they might try to pull me with them, but if I'm focused on what I'm pursuing, thenthose people are going to move away.

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And then the people who are pursuing the same
thing that I'm chasing after will begin to surround me.
Like, and I'm going to look for those people.
And I think that's what you've done in life is you had a moment where it turned for you.
And I think we all have that moment, but it's turned for you and you're looking at whatyou pursue.

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And you don't have to have your own kids in order to invest in someone and help them livebetter.
Right.
And I see everything you're doing.
And I'm not just trying to pump you up, but I see everything you're moving in that towardsthat end, this podcast and going to some of the shows that you guys go to and what you

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started out with.
You had this goal to help bring some health into people's life and give them anopportunity to replace the dysfunction that's unhealthy with something healthy and
positive.
Right.
And then here's why.
Here's why we're doing this.
So I don't.

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I want I want you to realize what you and Ricky started is is really impacting people andthey're listening to it.
And they're they're wanting to pursue what you are pursuing.
Yeah, I think Ricky would say the same thing, you know.

(01:00:24):
Because it's interesting that you say that and I wanna, folks, we're gonna talk about thisin another podcast and we'll have the ricktastics together too, but I'm gonna go here
right at the moment.
But it's funny you say that, Kelly, about those moments that change and turn your life.
And I wanna go back to, I wanna do just a podcast on that sometime, but we're here rightnow and I'm thinking about this, so don't wanna forget.

(01:00:50):
But here's the deal.
Did you know it's...
We're getting close to a year ago that we did have our interview.
You and I and Ricky had our conversation in Oaks, North Dakota.
And it was still cold there and it's still cold now.
I don't know if you had summer.
Anyway.

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But here's the.
All right, but my point is.
It's interesting.
Some people don't understand the moments they're having when they have them.
They don't understand the importance of that one moment.
And I have to say there are some moments I knew they were important, but I didn't know howimportant they were to me at that moment.

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And like I said, we had that conversation of what happened and where I went in the badways.
in when I first got to know you.
And I look, there is one memory in my whole life that I'll never forget until I not onthis world, but that one moment that it turned me to really try to be the best person I

(01:02:07):
could be to really push ahead and forge forward is that one hour that you came over totriggers.
and took that time to start turning me around.
Now, did I do it overnight?
No, I did not.
I had to learn things.
But that one moment is when you started, I started to feel like you need to change.

(01:02:35):
You need to become a better person.
You need to look within yourself.
become more moral, you gotta look at what the virtues are, you gotta look at yourintegrity, you gotta look at your life in a different manner.
And it's that one moment in my life that was over 15, 16, 17, 15, 16 years ago, I thinkthat you and I, yeah, but here's the deal, you changed my life.

(01:03:07):
Now Ricky and I are doing what we're doing.
And there are hard times in both of it.
Like, you know, we both get frustrated sometimes and we both have things going on andmillions of dollars aren't coming in because we aren't Joe Rogan.
But, but you know, when yet, but when you tell me and we know that we have affected otherpeople's lives.

(01:03:36):
Maybe DDR, maybe Don't Die Rusty is my baby.
And Ricky's the uncle that is helping me out here.
I'm not taking Don't Die Rusty away from Ricky, but I'm just saying when we thought aboutthat stuff, maybe that's something I needed to watch grow and mature.

(01:03:59):
Cause I, all three of you have kids.
I have nothing in that aspect of raising anything.
and we're going in the direction that we need to go.
Yeah, I agree with that.
think, you know, I think and even going into this, you know, we had that discussion, youknow, I said, I know this is this is your this is your deal.

(01:04:23):
Like it's it's your ideation and I'm going to I'm here to help you bring it to the world.
And, you know, so there was always that in the forefront, you know, you need this.
Just tell me like, you know, I don't want to overstep my bounds.
You're Batman, I'm Robin, right?

(01:04:45):
Like, I think that was kind of the way we framed it.
It took a little while for us to have that official conversation, you know, because wewere trying to navigate each other in the business sense of things.
We knew we know each other as friends, but how do we know each other as business partners?
And I think we've navigated that really well.
But I'm going off on a tangent.
The point is, that, yeah, I agree with that.
think and it's not just that, you know, just like, just like I said, you know what I mean?

(01:05:10):
You imprint on everybody and then
And then that then is that integrity, those virtues, all those kinds of things that youimprint on us are then passed down to our children.
So.
Mm-hmm.
Well, and then that's good because I mean, sometimes you question yourself.

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But like I said, I want to do actually the next next one I want to do is about I can neverrelive that moment to feel the way I feel.
You know, that's where I want to go with that episode is.
We have those moments and sometimes we don't know we're in them and sometimes we knowwe're in them and we know we're never gonna get this feeling back.

(01:05:59):
We would know like you can be, I've been in those moments where you're smiling and itfeels like I wish I could feel this cause I'm old now and I have no hair on my head but
it's like the wind's going through your hair and smile and sunshine and it's.

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you want this day never to end kind of experience.
And then you go a year later and you try to relive the same experience.
Here's the deal and maybe I can put it in if anybody's listening here.
It's kind of like total archery challenge and bow cast and whatever else.

(01:06:40):
The first bow casts were wild and crazy and those feelings and your...
burning candles at both ends, cause you're meeting so many new people.
And you're having so many great conversations and having so much fun.
And the next year you come and one person may not come, the next person, you know, they'rehanging out with somebody else.

(01:07:04):
And I was actually talking to, can't remember who, who about this.
And now we're at Total Archer Challenge and I love Total Archer Challenge, love Sean.
But here's the difference between total archery challenge and bow cast.
And Ricky can attest to this one is at the first bow cast, everybody was together.
When we went, we were at Snowbird and there was no extra parties cause everybody wastogether.

(01:07:31):
You you you went Nate and everybody went to the tram club and that's where everybody wasthere.
Now you go to a total larger challenge and you'll have a Yeti party over here.
You'll have a loophole.
I'm just saying this loophole.
Everybody goes different directions and nobody's together anymore.
So it starts changing.
So will I ever get that BoCast feeling back?

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No, but I can relive those memories in my head, but I keep on, I was searching for thosememories that you'll have, you know, and here's another one.
I remember my cousin Susie got inducted into the, I think it was the South Dakota Hall ofFame in Heron.

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And these are my favorite memories and I will never ever, ever get to relive this memory.
But I went down with my mom to this event.
And it was just her and I went to this event.
in the conversations we had in the car all by ourselves.

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I would love to relive.
And I'll always have those memories, but I will never get that back.
I will never have that feeling like I did because I've never had such heart to heart.
I was going that it was in the same time I was going through that other crap.
And my mom and I had those conversations and I'll never get that back ever again.

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And that's why I don't die.
Rusty has always said, realize, live for these moments.
Be the best you go do the chase these dreams because you're never going to get them back.
And I will always rejoice in those memories, but I never will get that to relive that onefeeling ever again.

(01:09:33):
It'll be a memory.
But I'm saying, you know how you forget little things, but in the time you're sitting inthe car going, this is great.
Yeah.
And I think we have, we have opportunities to either step into those or to shy away fromthem.
Right.
And sometimes we shy away because it, it, it might be a little bit uncomfortable to havethat conversation or to, go do that thing together or right.

(01:10:04):
but the best thing for us, I believe is to step into that moment and to receive.
So, so.
I think God gives us three hats that we wear.
We're either going to be a spectator in that moment.
We're going to be a participant in that moment.
Or like our moment, Rick, I was a catalyst in that moment, right?

(01:10:26):
God used me to be a catalyst.
So, so there's, there's three different hats that we can wear in these moments.
And it's important for us to understand, okay, so right now I just need to be a spectator.
no, I need to participate in this or
Hey, I think God's asking me to be a catalyst or I've got this draw to be a catalyst andhelp create some of these moments or step into those moments to be the catalyst.

(01:10:51):
So it's important, man.
Like what, what you're doing and what I believe what I do.
Um, it's, it, it, it's about changing people's lives.
Right.
We've got to care about our brother and sister and that should be the goodness.
the pursuit of that, not the greatness, right?

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The truth is, being a servant, nobody ever has become great other than maybe Jesus Christ,taking on the role of a servant.
we begin to understand what goodness looks like and how we can be transformed into a goodperson and that goodness can flow through us and out of us into the life of somebody else.

(01:11:39):
But rarely does that type of service become something that's great because that's not whatthe world values.
But don't die rusty.
yeah, definitely.
But it's kind of funny because tomorrow night I'm going to, I have to talk at our allstore meeting.

(01:12:06):
Like I said earlier.
So you're going to be the catalyst in that moment.
I am going to be the catalyst and I'm going give you a story because it's going to be nextweek and nobody will be able listen to it if they do listen because it'll be after the
meeting.
But here's a story I'm going to tell.
About three years ago, I went to Soren X's Winter Strong.

(01:12:30):
It's a deal where you have, you're lifting weights, you get to do wood craft.
teach you how to shoot guns in a better way.
They have all kinds of activities going on here at this Winter Strong.
And I went up to go to the rifle shooting unit who was teaching this was a Marine sniper.

(01:12:57):
mean, and you know, when you're in the, he's teaching us.
We're on the gun range and he's teaching us, he's telling us exactly how to be safe beforewe started shooting.
And he's given us the rundown, telling us about your protection, how to hold the guns,what we need to do, all this other stuff.
And he's talking to us about this.

(01:13:19):
And there's this guy sitting in the back.
And he not sitting, he's standing.
He had a couple, I had another person with him and the Marine sniper says, get your, youknow what up here?
We're all talking safety here.
You need to be here.
And he wasn't going to shoot in the end.
He didn't shoot.

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He wasn't going to shoot.
He was just standing there.
And then he gets done talking about the safety on the gun line, rifle line.
And then he's then he, then he backed up and then actually the guy walked away and peoplesaid, do you know who that was?
And he says, no, that was a medal of honor recipient.

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He jumped on a hand grenade and saved,
his partners and he said, my gosh, you know, and here's, here's the lucky part for me.
So, I mean, he said other words, but I mean, but that night we're around, they had a longfire and then they were, it's called a flip-flop guy.

(01:14:21):
like you put a shoulder, you had a deer shoulders and stuff and you put them on and youflip-flop them and you put CZ on, know, and you just keep on flip-flopping and
just shaving off meat, but I happened to, this is no kidding.
I happened to walk into the conversation with the Marine sniper and with the Medal ofHonor recipient.

(01:14:46):
And they were talking and he said, I'm sorry, man.
I didn't know, you know, at that time I'm, I'm in the mind that we're on the rifle line.
And he said, you know what?
I haven't been yelled like that on the rifle line since I was, you know,
eight years ago, you know, and I felt good.
I felt like, you know, he said that and he says, well, no, you know, you're, you're,you're a medal of honor recipient.

(01:15:11):
And he says, I'm just a regular person.
And then I said, why?
Cause I like to ask questions.
You guys know that.
And I asked questions.
said, yeah, but you're, you did something to save other people's lives.
And he said, I said, why?
what would encourage you to go do that?

(01:15:33):
And they said they would do it for me.
And that's the kind of people we need around us.
Because would you do that for that other person?
Would we help that other person out when they really need it?
Would we sacrifice ourselves for other people?
And we have, all of us have.
And that's where we may not have jumped on a hand grenade, but we have sacrificedourselves

(01:15:59):
for other people.
have set, Kelly has sacrificed himself for me.
Ricky has sacrificed his time to help Don't Die Rusty technology get going.
Cause Rick's a dumb ass here and doesn't know how to get things going.
And it blows up every once in a while on me.
And Sierra has, you know, has given me confidence that I'm talking to a younger generationand they're starting to understand what I'm trying to get out.

(01:16:29):
She keeps me young at times, we'll just say.
And that's when I got, because I can go back to these experiences, because I met a lot ofcool people that I met, NFL football players, some other special operators, I met some
world-class athletes.
But where I'm going with this is that one moment right there changed my life in just alittle bit, because I had to realize

(01:16:58):
that people that will sacrifice their life for others don't even think about it becausethey would do it for me.
So I had to ask myself the question, what would I do for other people?
And I look around and I look around in some places and you go, would they save their lifefor me?
And I'm saying, if somebody came into the store shooting somebody up, shooting us up,who's gonna run to the bullets and who's gonna run away from them?

(01:17:29):
And I know because of the people I have met, the places, the things I have changed in mylife.
And I'm not saying I'm, I'm not saying I'm wanting to be a hero.
I'm saying because I've learned honor, virtue, character, and integrity from a lot ofspecial people in this world.

(01:17:50):
I would go, if I knew any of you guys, but you or whoever I'm going to go try to savetheir lives.
or help them out because they have family and other things to live for and not that Idon't have anything to live for.
But there's times that you have to look within yourself and outside yourself and know thatyou are doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

(01:18:25):
You decide.
Yes, sir.
Notice how I turned that around here.
So we got back on the right thing to do and got, you know, I'm just kidding.
I can, I can edit that out, but anyway, I thought I'd lighten up the moment, but, that'sthe things that those are the things that I love that we're, get to talk about.

(01:18:50):
I love these rictastic talk.
Mm-hmm.
I do because finally, you know what?
I'm going to go for my walk tomorrow and I already have closure.
Now after a month and half of thinking about this and we should have had a ricktastic talkand I wouldn't have been through this.

(01:19:11):
But you know, I mean, I know it's late where you guys are on the East Coast and
It's the mid coast.
More on the mid coast, yeah.
And I'm pretty sure the coldest day that I've, the last coldest day was when I was inOaks.

(01:19:36):
I can promise you that.
I have not had day that cold since I was there, so.
Wait, you know what?
says to me, I think it was Rick, said, you're moving where?
And I said, Oaks, North Dakota.
He goes, you know, that's God's country.
And I go, God's country?
Why do they call it God's country?
He goes, because it's so cold up there, only God wants it.

(01:19:57):
Hehehehehe
I don't think he's wrong.
And you know why Kelly's a success up there?
In Oaks, North Dakota?
Because it's colder than hell up there.

(01:20:29):
But anyway, I don't know.
We need to ask a question here.
So what do you think about?
I don't know the question we need to, what I can ask today.
What's your, we have to have a last question here.
Anybody have a last question?

(01:20:49):
Yeah, what brings you joy?
Not happiness, joy.
Right?
do you do this to me?
Because then you send me off on another tangent.
So I'm gonna ask all you three that, then I'll get back to myself.

(01:21:10):
So instead of asking what's the good life or what's your next dream, I'm gonna say, hey,what brings you guys joy?
Ladies first.

(01:21:31):
Well, right now it's honestly gotta be, you know, being pregnant and watching Koi andTroy, like, prepare to have a sibling and another son.
Like, that just brings me, those boys, just everything they do and watching even as I buyway too many new baby things that we probably don't need, but watching them smile and be

(01:21:58):
like,
my gosh, what is this for?
Or where are we putting the baby toys?
Or Koi telling us that he's gonna change all the dirty diapers.
And like, just those little moments are just, they just bring me so much joy right now.
So that's right here in this moment, those boys and getting to prepare to add another one.

(01:22:21):
I like that.
Yep.
Here's the deal though.
Don't ever worry about me changing a dang gun diaper.
Ha ha ha ha!
Koi told us he'll change him if we hold his legs down, but we have to go fast becausehe'll pee everywhere.
I'm like, yes, we do have to go fast.

(01:22:43):
How about you, Kelly?
man, that's a multifaceted question for me, but I would have to say, the broad answer isseeing the people in my life that God surrounded me with succeeding brings me joy.
Just seeing them make good decisions and moving forward and seeing families grow andseeing dads figured out and seeing moms understand it and watching them raise their kids

(01:23:15):
and
And that's not just my own adult children.
I think that's people that God's also brought into my life that it's just, it's somethingabout that.
When you see people that like the light switch come on for others and they finally startlike really getting it.
That just brings me joy.
Yep.

(01:23:35):
Ricky?
Well, obviously the first thing that comes to mind is is my daughter watching her growingup and just every day she just cracks me up she makes us all laugh with Everything she
says and just anywhere she goes anywhere.
We bring her she just lights up a room, you know everybody Smiles and so she's she's a joyin of herself and so so there's that and then also

(01:24:06):
I would say, you know, my wife and her, you know, and then watching her business kind ofbeginning to flourish and, know, just the art that she's creating right now is really,
she's putting a lot of passion into it and a lot of, a lot of thoughtfulness into herwork.

(01:24:28):
And so it's really, really been fun to kind of watch that stuff too.
So that's what brings me joy.
Joy to me is knowing, hearing that we are doing some good in the world with the don't dierusty stuff.

(01:24:49):
And that really makes me happy because it feels like I'm giving back something finallythat I feel sometimes in the world you feel like you're taking and taking and taking and
you don't realize that you are actually giving to.
And another joy.
I have to say is it all wraps up into the one thing because I have to agree.

(01:25:16):
I have to say Cindy because joy is when you have peace in your life and you have no, andit's not so.
So, know, like it's not a constant UFC battle.
We'll say life I'm saying, and you have the trust and you have everything that goes on inlife.

(01:25:38):
And you can just smile and have peace in your life because you know that person is goingto be there for you and encourage you to do your best, even though sometimes it's her, you
know, I'm taken away from her at times too.
And that's, that's, I have to appreciate that.
And it brings me joy there.
And finally,
And finally, no, got two more.

(01:26:02):
And the other one is the friends I have bring me joy when they influence my life to makeme better and to know I've finally made good decisions on good people in my circle.
That is joy.
And the last one, the very, very last one is raspberry ice cream.

(01:26:27):
Brings you joy.
That's that's not ice cream.
That's sherbert.
I'm just kidding.
But actually the others do and you know when we get to think philosophically because Ithink sometimes we have lost that in this world because everything is in our phones,

(01:26:54):
everything is
We don't have to think at times and we don't have to think about being a good person.
We don't have to think about if it's right or wrong.
We don't have to think if it's morally or virtually virtuous.
We don't have to think about our integrity because a lot of people can think about hidinghow they, I was told, you you can tell if a person is, he will show his true colors, you

(01:27:24):
know,
It's not about how you are, your reputation, your integrity, because everybody can have areputation from looking at us right now.
They think we can be good, but when our integrity, our virtue, our ethics, everythingcomes out, it'll show.

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You can't fool people when you aren't that.
And I think...
I think that's where we need to go in this world.
And I actually think, I actually think that there's a slow reset going on where moral andethical values and, and virtue is coming back to be more important.

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And because of us talking about, think, I mean, others, other podcasts out there talkingabout it, cause look at all the hope and that you get from so many other podcasts.
And I think, I think
think people are starting to think about that.
So that makes me happy too.
And I'm not advertising for any other podcast.
You should listen to the Don't Die Rusty podcast first.

(01:28:36):
But, so I'm gonna just, Ricky and I are trying to get the website going and I need to geta blog done.
And the first blog is gonna be what Don't Die Rusty is.
And it's not gonna be.
Don't Die Rusty is not just three words.

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Don't Die Rusty is a way of life.
Don't Die Rusty is hope.
Don't Die Rusty is integrity.
And Don't Die Rusty is about keeping moving on, moving forward every step and find yourjoy.
So anyway, well, this has been the live version, the live album of the Don't Die RustyRictastic

(01:29:22):
and they will be back some other time.
Thank you for Sierra for joining in with the tambourine.
And thank you Ricky for being that lead guitar player, cause you know I can't play guitar,I have to play bass.
And thank you Phil Collins because you know you are awesome Kelly Lovelace.

(01:29:49):
That's why you're gonna be a permanent member of the Ricktastics forever and ever becauseyou bring us knowledge and joy and everything that is in between.
I don't know about that.
But I do enjoy these conversations.
Like, this is something I look forward to.
So just keep that in the back of your minds.

(01:30:11):
Like, yeah, I enjoy this.
I do too and I think you being in your position, I think people get to see who you are insome of, mean, and I think, I was just talking about you the other day and I'm not trying
to talk about, I know we're trying to end this thing here, but I was just talking aboutyou the other day and when we were talking about that faith stuff that I was telling you

(01:30:37):
about earlier and I said, I,
don't feel guilty in some ways.
And I know you and I have talked about this, but if you have, I went to church because ofyou and I go to listen to you.

(01:30:58):
And if any of your parishioners or whatever, your congregation go to church, listen tothis.
They need to bring other people to listen to you.
When Ricky and I were up there, you have us.
I mean, you are the best at what you do.

(01:31:18):
And it's kind of like I grade all my country singers and female singers, and I'm PatsyCline.
And Patsy Cline will always have the best voice, and you give God a great voice on earth.
You are.

(01:31:39):
You are, because I'm saying you give God and Jesus a great voice.
Well, good.
I don't see myself as anybody.
I see I'm a guy who likes to hunt, likes to be outside.
I'm a guy that loves my family and I'm a guy that loves God.
That's that's just who I am.
So that's what I want people to see and hear.
But you bring a form of warmth and peace to a lot of people.

(01:32:02):
Don't you think, Ricky, when we were there?
Yeah, absolutely.
So anyway, anyway, I'll start.
question though.
Can it be done virtually?
Because I really don't want to go anywhere colder than where I'm at right now.
yeah, we're online.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're on YouTube.
So it's Oaks Nazarene Church.

(01:32:23):
ONC, Oaks Nazarene Church.
Just go on there and follow.
Yeah, I'm not going, I don't go outside right now, let alone going somewhere colder tothen have to go outside.
understand that, yes.
And the commute would probably be rough for you.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, Oaks Nazarene Church on YouTube.
And then you can get our website and all that stuff from there.

(01:32:45):
Perfect.
bit.
So anyway, don't
Thank you so much, Kelly and Sierra for taking today.
And yeah, as always, Kelly, it's always a pleasure.
Sierra, I look forward to hearing about that little one soon as he is born.

(01:33:05):
so, yeah, again, thanks so much.
Always a pleasure talking with you guys and look forward to our next conversation.
Yeah, good to meet you, Sierra.
Thank you.
you too.
And remember Ricky, March, if it's born on our birthday, it's named Ricky.
we, or Rick, it's one of the two.
So we are in there.

(01:33:26):
So we'll be cheering her on.
Rick 2.0, can you name him Rick 2.0?
There we go.
This ain't coming on March 22nd.
No.

(01:33:46):
1158 on March 22nd.
No, darn it.
I got a name in Rick 2.0.
Anyway, everybody, this has been the Don't Die Rusty family here.
As always, keep chasing your dreams, being the best you, and of course, don't die rusty.

(01:34:08):
Have good day everybody.
Yep, we'll see ya.
great day.

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