DDR 054 - Lindsey McElroy Ulrich

In this engaging conversation, Rick Hanson and Lindsey McElroy Ulrich explore the themes of resilience, determination, and the power of community in the world of ultrarunning.

Lindsey shares her inspiring journey of overcoming a stroke to become an ultramarathon runner, emphasizing the importance of hope and the ability to dream big despite challenges. The discussion highlights the toughness of ultramarathon runners, the significance of personal stories in sports, and the diverse experiences that shape our lives. Through their dialogue, they celebrate the connections formed in the racing community and the lessons learned from pursuing one's passions.

Lindsey and Rick explore the pressures of performance in sports, the importance of personal motivation, and the transformative power of travel. They discuss how human connections and experiences shape their perspectives, emphasizing the need to find joy in the journey rather than just the accolades. The dialogue also touches on building confidence, the balance between solitude and community, and the inner dialogue athletes have with themselves during challenging moments.

Rick Hanson and Lindsey explore the beauty of nature, particularly the significance of sunsets and sunrises. They discuss the motivation behind Rick's podcast, emphasizing the importance of sharing stories and helping others. Lindsey shares her life philosophy of living fully and not waiting for the perfect moment to pursue dreams.

The conversation wraps up with a focus on chasing dreams and making memories, highlighting the unpredictability of life and the importance of seizing opportunities.

You can find Lindsey on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lindsey.mcelroyulrich

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Takeaways

• Lindsey's journey into ultrarunning began after a stroke.
• Determination can help overcome significant physical challenges.
• Hope is essential for recovery and pursuing dreams.
• Every individual has a unique story worth sharing.
• The ultrarunning community values every participant, regardless of their pace.
• Dreams may change, but the pursuit of them is vital.
• Personal experiences shape our understanding of resilience.
• Connection with others enhances the experience of racing.
• Life is about living fully, not just extending longevity.
• The importance of community in sports cannot be overstated. Performance pressure can lead to losing oneself.
• Traveling offers a broader perspective on life.
• Human connections are what truly matter in experiences.
• Rediscovering personal motivation is essential for fulfillment.
• Confidence comes from within, not from external validation.
• Solitude can bring peace, even in a crowd.
• Athletes often engage in self-talk to push through challenges.
• It's important to remember why you started in the first place.
• Comparison can be detrimental to self-esteem.
• The journey is as important as the destination. Nature's beauty can inspire deep reflection and peace.
• Sunsets and sunrises hold unique significance for different people.
• Living life to the fullest means not waiting for the right moment.
• The motivation behind sharing stories can stem from personal experiences.
• Helping others through shared experiences can be incredibly fulfilling.
• Authentic co

Episode Transcript

(00:02):
Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
This has been an adventure from the start because I have been trying to get LindsayMcElroy-Olrich on for like two weeks now and things have not worked well with our
schedules and things have been going on and life happens.

(00:24):
So this is what happens.
I didn't know I was going to Salt Lake a couple of weeks ago till like...
Last minute and I was going to do one with her and then other things happen.
And so here we are today.
And if you here's, I'm going to introduce Lindsay just subtly here because I have, I, I'mgoing to have done all the 20 gauge athletes that Paul Linde has here pretty soon because

(00:54):
they're just very interesting and diverse people.
And it's so interesting.
to talk to people from different places with different points of view, but we're all inthis world together.
And I have become a fan of Lindsay here.

(01:16):
And I assume I would become a fan of every one of Paul's athletes anyway, because I just,it's just interesting to me how everybody seems to...
just get together here, you know what I mean?
So I'm gonna, I know some stories here that we're gonna have an interesting conversation.

(01:38):
I know I say interesting a lot, a lot.
So I'll stop saying interesting here.
But if you wanna introduce yourself a little bit, it would be great, Lindsey.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, you guys already know my name, I guess.
I've been, I'm a mom to two wonderful kids, both teenagers now.

(02:04):
Well, not, also not to be a teenager, I guess.
Married to my wonderful husband for, he's gonna kill me because I can't remember, 20something years.
I actually, a little background about how I got into ultrarunning.

(02:25):
I got into it pretty late and probably, yeah, later 30s.
And basically what struck me to want to be a big ultrarunner, I say big, but ultrarunner.
I mean that by distances, I suppose.
I had a stroke 12 years ago.

(02:52):
And so that kind of drove me to kind of like you say, it's like, I want to live this life.
I'm not gonna sit still and I'm not gonna not be the mom to my kids that I don't, you I'mgonna be that mom that can run with my kids still and play and do whatever.

(03:13):
My daughter was still in diapers when it happened.
so it was that basically got me into it and being told I was never gonna be able to runagain.
And it's like, you know, like, don't you dare take my passion away from me.
So I fought for God probably two, three years just to walk normal again.

(03:35):
And then my left side was very affected.
And so
We made a goal, because I, with something like that, it's just, hard to explain the darkplaces it takes you and the depression that comes with it.
And just because my memory was so bad and just everything, I didn't want to be aroundanybody because I just was embarrassed to even show my face.

(04:04):
Because I was afraid I was going to forget their name.
know, somebody I had been friends with for like 10 years, I was afraid was going to forgettheir name or something or,
So simple things.
so, anyway, so I just, I went on a mission and we made the goal I was gonna run a marathonand never ran a marathon before in my life, which is kind of funny to say that now.

(04:29):
And so we worked and worked and I got with an awesome doctor that was just really
Worked with me on my brain and the exercises and trying to get my left side to functionand be going good and so in the room my first marathon in Eugene because of course being

(04:52):
from Oregon and Eugene's like the running Mecca of the world.
We all know so and so I I went man that and I honestly was I ran like 307 or somethinglike that and
my finish line the video I wish I could pull it up it's just my I barely my left side isjust dragging because we finished on the track at Hayward and it's just dragging across

(05:24):
like the last 200 meters and but since then it's been a while now since that obviously I'm
something extreme because that's what I do because I'm just gonna if I'm gonna provesomebody wrong I'm gonna go to the extreme of doing it.
So I was like okay we're just gonna get into this ultra running thing and I went up whenPaul first started putting on his races up in Idaho.

(05:52):
Literally no return races and
I went up there and I was just like, I'm going to go, I'm going to support my friends andsupport the race and everything.
And I believe it was the first year.
Yeah, it was the first year.
And so I went up there and ran the 50K.

(06:14):
Yeah, I ran the 50K.
Yeah, I think it was a 50K at the time.
He's going to kill me because I can't remember.
And I had no clue what I was doing.
I was just like, well, I'll just mimic what everyone else is doing.
I didn't know nothing about ultrarunning, like zero, like how to race these things.
um, and then I got, I just was hooked after that, just, just hooked.

(06:38):
And I just like, okay, I'm going to keep going.
um, I even wrote a letter to my doctors that told me that there's no possible way I'mgoing to ever be able to do.
things that I have now done.
Granted, they look different than what they used to, but it's all in what you want to doin life and what you want to achieve.

(07:05):
And basically, show your kids, that for me, was like, still can dream big.
It just might be different.
It might be a different goal set, but you can still dream big.
Mom has these problems, but I don't look at them as problems.
They're just, they're there and we just do it a little differently.

(07:25):
And we tend to fall a lot because of it and races.
so.
well, you've got me just thinking about a lot of stuff here off of this one because youhere's I'm putting out a deal about me being funky in tomorrow's episode and Here's my

(07:49):
problem with things.
I I've done enough podcasts here with people I Don't know if you've ever listened to themeat of on horse one, but that one
Her son was in a UTV accident and it wasn't, he had a brain injury, partially paralyzed,this and that.

(08:13):
11 days they told, the doctors told her to take him off the ventilator.
He's he's enrolling in college.
I think he just enrolled in college now.
She didn't give up.
Here's my problem.
this
This is my problem and it's not the world's problem.
I understand this stuff, but what you just told me is the doctor said you would never beable to do run a race and I am having problems.

(08:41):
have problems with medicine anymore or not.
I understand that we need like they help us out, but I don't think they're looking at thebigger picture of things and it's driving me nuts because I.
I know there's more to life than a lot of things, but if we don't have hope that we can dostuff, we aren't going to do it anyway.

(09:07):
And they take, they take away hope and medicine is also hope.
And for you to show people that what you're, that you can do it is another thing too, youknow, and show your kids not to give up in the world.
And that's one thing that is interesting to me that, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's,that's an inspiration.

(09:34):
And that's where I'm having a hard time because I told them I started out, don't die rustyas project Rick, because I was going to show how we evolve in life.
And then I made the shirt like, I'm not going to more or less don't die rusty.
No, no, no, that's, that's a way better name than project Rick.
Cause nobody gives a damn about Rick.
but they do care, know, all right.

(09:55):
But don't die rusty is like you live, you're gonna live the best life you can.
You know, we aren't gonna, we aren't here to, I've always wanted, I have a friend and Ihave debated to bring him on.
And I, cause I don't know if we'd have an argument and we'd be in stuff, but you know whatI mean?

(10:20):
Because
To me, from the outside, looking in, it looks like he's trying to live a long life.
And I look at things in different terms as I want to live a good life.
Do I want to, you know, do I want to, I don't want to work out and need every day, like,to try to live long.

(10:43):
I want to work out, I want to do my stuff.
I don't care about your stats.
as much as I care about the view that you saw on that run.
We'll just say.
And I don't care about what you ate because I'm gonna go over here and have ice cream somedays, because I'm an ice creamaholic, man.
You know what I mean, kind of.
on that one.

(11:03):
It's dangerous to have it in my house.
But there are also things we can do because we can, if we don't have it in the house andwe have to go get it, then that's a treat.
But if we have a gallon of ice cream, I'm just using this as an example, if there's agallon of ice cream in the house, it's gone in two or three days, because I just, I don't

(11:28):
know what it is.
It's just, yeah, I get it.
get it.
It's like, it was almost like a comfort thing, but I don't know.
It's just ice cream ice cream.
Maybe it's like the memories of a kid.
don't know.
Like it gets you.
And so where I was going with that was, it was interesting too, is we talk aboutpreventative stuff, but I don't want to live a safe life either in the aspect.

(11:58):
I don't want to live a safe life in the fact that I don't like, I was having thisdiscussion with somebody the other day and we were talking about those.
You can do your like a hereditary, your gene test.
Oh yeah, the DNA.

(12:20):
Oh yeah, the G-G.
you could get cancer.
Here's the deal.
You might not.
It's a gene test.
I, and we were talking about some people that would like, well, you know, like there aresome people out there that are, they think they're, they have breast cancer in there and

(12:42):
they're going to go get their breast cut off, but you don't even have cancer yet.
You don't know, you don't know, you don't know.
And that's one of those things, like that test for me, I just don't wanna know.
Like I don't wanna know.
Even if it could be preventative, I don't wanna know.
Because I feel that's gonna stop me from wanting to do certain things or even eat certainthings and yeah, all those different things.

(13:11):
So it's like.
I feel like it could stop you from wanting to live like this great life that you possiblycould live just because like, no, I have it, I might have it, I don't know, but my gene
test says I do.
yeah.
where I, yeah, cause that's I was going before.
You said something about preventative.

(13:32):
mean, and I was thought preventative and we need to live our lives.
We need to, you need to chase your dreams and you need to run the races that you want torace till you can't run or you get, you think you're done.
You know what I mean?
There are things that I, I live for.

(13:52):
There are things that I've done.
And I said, that's enough.
You know, like, I still enjoy it.
I would never take it away from anybody else.
But I'm gonna slow down on that and I'm gonna pick up and go this direction.
If you know what I mean.
no, that's awesome though that you have like, slowing down somewhere but you want to rampit up somewhere else.

(14:14):
Like you always have something to look forward to.
And I think that's so important to have something to look forward to that you're excitedabout.
And even though it's like this area has to slow down a little bit that you love, but youknow you have this new thing coming.
Yeah, because if you don't have dreams, what's the world about?
I'm not going to fulfill all the dreams I've ever had, and I know that.

(14:38):
But I don't know what dreams that I am going to fulfill, and that's what makes lifeinteresting, doesn't it?
Yeah.
yeah, it definitely does.
And I'm talking to a person that has been through more stuff than I have and you arehelping me.

(14:59):
Here's the deal.
People don't think about things until they happen to them or they hear about it.
And you having a stroke and being able to keep going and going and going.
here's the...
I might as well get into this right now cause I don't want to ever forget about it.

(15:19):
right.
But when, when Paul and I had our little, little conversation, we talked about you andyour toughness because you were in a race in Arizona, correct?
Texas, Texas.

(15:39):
Yeah.
No, Yes, it's still hot.
It's good.
And you fell down and broke your keys while you were running, is that right?
Yeah, was, the rock down there is really hard.

(16:01):
It doesn't give, and so just to give a background of it.
so, the scents were pretty steep and rocky and I'm not good on technical terrain as it is.
And so,
But I was starting to gain a little confidence because we'd been out there, we trained outthere before the race and all this.

(16:21):
And so I'm like, okay, Lindsay, like we can take some chances.
And of course, like I see like I'm sitting fifth woman, I see like third and fourth andlike up above, like I can see him like pretty far out, but fourth was a little closer.
And I'm like, I want to go catch her.
Like I can do this.
Like I want to go catch her.

(16:43):
And going down the steep.
steep descent and I clipped my foot on a rock and literally I just remember it was sosteep I remember just going going shit and flying and my whole chin took the brunt of the

(17:04):
fall like I didn't even have time to even get my hands down or anything it was just like Ijust went yeah smashed my face and pretty much and
I didn't, I remember like I passed out for second and then I just remember, I remembergetting up and going, well God, I gotta start racing.

(17:25):
I gotta go.
as I'm spitting teeth out of my mouth, like, I remember the chiclet gums, like the chicletgum, that's like my teeth were just coming out like in pieces.
And I thought my blood was coming from,
almost biting through my tongue.

(17:45):
didn't even realize that, and of course my brain probably was already rattled enough and Ididn't even realize that my chin down here had taken the whole fall and was just busted
open.
And so I keep going and my ball radio's in to my friends and my husband and it's justlike, yeah, Vince took a little bit of a fall.

(18:09):
She's got some blood on her, you're want to clean her up when you see her.
And then so he catches back up with them and I come in and they're like a little blood.
They're like, my God.
Like I just, mean, I'll show the picture with you.
I mean, I, like I said before, I look like a hunting trip on bad.
They're just blood everywhere.

(18:31):
And my friends try and patch me up and like get things cleaned up.
And, and he was just like, cause they're not telling me how bad it is.
Cause they think, cause I just like, no, I'm going to go.
I'm going to go.
Like, give me.
I want to go and finally at 50k right before the 50k I started throwing up because it'sconcussion and then came in the aid station and they're just like they finally like yeah

(18:54):
you're no bueno you're no bueno you are done like you are just covered and look like yeahthis just is not safe for you to keep going so headed off to the hospital and got eight
stitches in my chin and then I
I broke, basically I broke part of my jaw.

(19:16):
I mean, it just was, it was just bad.
It was a tough, a tough fall.
And so my, and my tongue was just, I had no teeth.
In fact, I'm finally, years later, finally on the final road of getting all my teeth takencare of.
That's how, mean, I probably should just have had dentures put in at this point.

(19:36):
I provided them safer.
Well, well, the funny thing is, did he say she's a hockey player, she'll make it throughor you know what?
Yeah, I mean, they just know it's just like if lens is gonna go she's gonna go regardlessof what we tell her.
Like I'm stubborn.
I'm very stubborn.
So it's like, yeah, it was pretty scary at the time, but we got through it.

(20:08):
They gave me some good drugs at the hospital, we get through the night.
So, yeah.
But see, we don't see that.
I mean, we do, in certain sports, we see that kind of stuff.
It's amazing.
It truly is amazing, the sports that we see some toughness, and then there's other sportsthat we see a lot of toughness.

(20:33):
that's what has drawn me kind of the ultra thing.
it's, I wish, I wish my knees weren't the way they were because that's what's...
Interest me about this.
mean, I've watched it for a long time and I never really I'm not you know, I've I've donemy own kind of ultras.

(20:54):
I I you know, I climb my own mountains and I Go the distance and challenge myself.
I I did we did Ricky my partner and then One of my friends we did eight peaks in one day24 hours is about
It's about a little over 40 miles, about 45 miles.

(21:19):
And that's my own Ultra.
We weren't competing against anybody, but we did it.
And it was one of those things that teaches you lessons and it teaches you all kinds ofstuff.
And that's why I'm excited because I want to see what happens at an Ultra.

(21:39):
And I don't know.
I feel so lucky to be able to go to Western States and just watch.
And now I'm going to have to go watch you race and, and I'm going to, and it may be Pauland you and Emily and I can go on a hunt together someday.
That'd be fun.

(22:00):
All this stuff is, all this stuff is adding up.
like you were, we were, I think we were talking earlier, but you don't know where life isgoing to take you.
No.
No.
doing the Don't Die Rusty podcast.
I'm talking to you.
I'm talking to other people.
I'm talking to people that, and that is what makes life interesting.

(22:21):
You know, and it's interesting to, go ahead.
Oh no, I was just saying it's just so great, like the people that you meet throughout allthis, like you were saying, just the different people and the different backgrounds and
that's special in itself, just being able to talk to those people on a one-on-one basis.

(22:46):
you know, Graham is going to be broadcasted, but you still get to talk to him.
We get to talk to you and get to know you.
Cause when we started this, I said, one thing I didn't want to do is I didn't want to bepigeonholed into one area that like I wanted to talk to a diverse group of people here's

(23:07):
and it's funny.
It's funny.
Cause I just had a discussion with one of my guys this morning that I gave actually gavehim his review and we were talking and work review and, and we were talking and I said,
here's the deal.
And we were talking about other things.
I never want to be labeled because the only label that we should have is Lindsay.

(23:31):
The only other one would be Rick because once we start labeling labeling ourselves, we'rebeing put into that one corner and that's the only place we'll ever be.
When I'm for me, I'm talking to Cowboys and ultra runners and I'm talking to everybody inbetween.
You know what I mean?
And I'm talking to, whoever that has a good story.

(23:52):
And I think that's more important to this world because there's more, there's such adiverse amount of people in this world that have diverse interests, but they still have
inspirational stories to tell.
Sure, sure.
I always feel every place I go, like even like lining up at a starting line at races, I'mjust like, I honestly in my head, just go, I, everyone on this starting line has a story

(24:19):
to tell, like everybody does.
And to me, like every person is important that's in that race, because they work just ashard as first to last place, I feel.
And
In fact, I mean, just, fact, the people that, the Backlip Packers, I have probably themost respect for out of all of the Ultra World.

(24:42):
I mean, I obviously respect everybody, but they are just a special group.
Because they're the people that know they're not gonna ever win anything.
They know they're not gonna ever, you know.
Just not be on the podium or the age group, but they just go out because they love thesport They love to be a part of it and they love and that's what makes it such a cool

(25:06):
Community is just like there's a spot for everybody to be in a race.
I mean as long as it's not a big lottery But I just that's what I love about it I love youknow being at the old-school hometown races that
and things like that, just the people, the people you get to know and it just iswonderful.

(25:31):
Well, it is because like, I, you'll probably notice that I don't have a problem talking topeople.
So that's why, you know, I've had some wonderful conversations that never knew the people.
then we ended up being friends or social media these days helped out a ton because, youknow, you can, I can really see if this is who you are when I look at your social media,

(25:55):
media page.
sure.
know, I'm not, I'm not going to get your, you're not going to give me your number, butI'll check you out on social media and then maybe I'll message you kind of thing.
You know what I mean?
Because you also, you also have to protect yourself in this day and age too.
So I'll see who you are first.
but it, it, and it's, but it's cool that we, get to communicate like this and, and youknow, and so anyway, we, me and I have talked before.

(26:27):
I mean a couple of weeks ago or maybe a week ago.
And we talked about, I don't know if you want to talk about this because I can edit thisout otherwise.
So, but we talked about like, we were trying so hard to be somebody I was in, see, I,played softball for 20 some years and then I wanted to get in the, mean, I always said

(26:53):
hunting would take the priority of anything because I love hunting.
Have you, have you been running a long time?
since I was a kid?
Yeah.
would be, this would be, geez, just about, I'm about at 50 years now.
I mean, I'm going to be 57.
And you know, I'd be 12 years old is when I really got to start hunting, but I would, formyself, but I would go along.

(27:18):
we're, you know, but what I'm saying here is, is, is I was writing a few articles.
was,
getting to know the right people.
I was like being on staffs and stuff.
And I felt like I was losing myself because I loved hunting.

(27:42):
And I felt there was pressure on me so I could keep on going more into like being noticed.
Ego probably took over.
I mean, I got lucky and I...
shot some big animals and I, so people were noticing who you are a little bit.
And then all of a sudden it just like, one day it hit me like, this isn't fun in theaspect of, I'm not doing this completely for myself.

(28:15):
I'm doing this, I'm doing this for something that I wanted, but I don't want it to losemyself.
I should say.
Is that understandable?
I really understand that.
Because I feel that when I first started into ultra running, I felt different.

(28:44):
I just was like the excitement and I wanted to get out.
I want to train, I want to do this and do that.
And then as things started getting better and like...
races were coming along and placing and things like that.
And I kind of say the thing, I kind of started to lose myself in the sense of like, well,like you're saying, like if I go to this race and I don't perform at this level, like

(29:15):
people, I feel like I'm just going to be looked at as an old washed up lady.
Why is she still doing this?
But then like,
It's like a self check.
to have done it many times.
was just like, it's okay.
Like you're lucky that you get to even be here and get to be a part of this event orwhatever I'm doing at the time.

(29:40):
I mean, just to be able to the fact that I, I mean, I was lucky enough that,
That Paul picks me up as an athlete, which I'm sure he still questions as to why he did.
But, you know, and the fact that, I mean, I have a great coach and great people that I getto talk to and just, I don't know, just being able to, I mean, maybe I'm a little off

(30:10):
topic here, but just being able to travel to other countries too.
really put things in perspective for me that, you know, running is not everything,Lindsay.
There's so much more to this than being the ultra runner or being the person that, youknow, or whatever, the person that everybody, you know, wants to go see, know, all this

(30:35):
stuff.
so I like, cause like going to these other countries and being with different groups ofpeople, like I absolutely, I love stage racing.
It's just like.
That's where my heart is.
love stage racing.
And when I went over to Mongolia, it just completely helped put things back into whatreally mattered to me in life.

(31:00):
And that these people are barely surviving, and yet I get to just fly over here and run arace with all these wonderful people that I met.
And there's just the fact that
uh, go like when I went over there, was just like, there was a, it was a smaller group.

(31:20):
Um, the racing, the planet does like all these races all over the world.
and there was probably about 80 of us that did it.
Um, but you know how things are, once you spend a week with somebody in a tent with agroup of people, you just become family.
And I just, I just felt it really, I don't know how to put it in words cause I'm not goodwith words, but just, it really put a very,

(31:46):
um, heartfelt feeling in me that um, why I really do this is just because I want to gomeet new people and I want to know like, you know, like their backgrounds and I want to
their stories and I want to be immersed in cultures I never would have imagined I wouldhave been in.
mean, Mongolia definitely was never on my radar of a bucket list for me to go, go see mebefore I die.

(32:09):
But oh my God, I'm so glad I did because it just, it just really
Like said, just put things all in perspective of life and when it comes down to it, thatit doesn't matter what you ran, what you did, it all comes down to how you treated people
and what you did for them.

(32:33):
Not necessarily what you did for them, but just how you treated people.
I've always believed that.
That's what they're gonna remember.
They're not gonna remember...
They might, but I just feel like they're not gonna remember all your accolades and allyour different things.
They're just gonna remember for who you are and what you brought to the table for them.
And whether when you walked in a room, if you lit up the room or made the mood, tamperedthe mood for people, I don't know, something like that.

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But so, I mean, maybe that doesn't make sense, but like, I'm trying to just explain it outin my head, I guess, ways that, so yeah.
I think we might have to stop this interview right now because you've been to Mongolia andthat was one of my dreams to go to Mongolia.
And I still might.
I tell you, it is worth going.

(33:23):
Like, it is...
my...
It's an unbelievable country.
Unbelievable.
The people are amazing.
They have the festival in Ulaanbaatar and I always wanted to go to see that festival.
I've, there's other things I've wanted to see in Mongolia, but we won't stop that, right?
I won't hold that against you that you've been there and I haven't.

(33:45):
Please don't.
I'll share stories with you.
There's so many pictures and videos that I never even posted on my page just because I'mlike people are gonna get tired of this.
So I just stopped.
It was awesome.
It just was an incredible experience.
Yeah.

(34:05):
it's interesting what you were just saying too, because I just posted this the other day.
It might've been yesterday.
It might've been this morning.
I don't know.
No, but it was yesterday, I think, but it was, here's the thing.
I think we get to the points where we are looking and we aren't seeing.

(34:25):
And I got to the point where.
Like in my hunting wise, was, I was not seeing the bigger picture.
I wasn't seeing the view.
I wasn't seeing the people that I was with.
And sometimes I was alone.
Most of the time I'm alone.
I only like, like Paul and I might go hunting now, but I'm, I'm very selective who I gohunting with because I just, it's one of those things, but you know, I mean, people are

(34:55):
selective of whatever they do, but I don't, here's the deal.
I don't.
I want to be in that place with somebody that enjoys it just as much as I do, who lovesthe cotton candy morning when the sun is just not up yet, or when that sun comes over the

(35:15):
horizon and there happens to be clouds in the sky and it's going out there.
And then you have the view in front of you and then you have the animals and then you havethe adventure and then...
people don't realize and it's not just hunting.
It's about going to a race.
It's about, you know, when you start realizing that I like what you say because here'sthe, I, it's funny because I started thinking about this and I came from a little town and

(35:47):
you know, who's going to remember.
And then I came out here and I live in Spearfear, South Dakota now, but, and I've beenhere forever, but who's going to remember.
that you got second in a race in, you know, or first in a race, or who's gonna rememberthat I made a great catch playing softball, or who's gonna remember that adventure besides

(36:10):
you?
So if you aren't doing it for you, and to make memories for you or that moment that werethose people you're doing with, then why are we doing this?
You know, I mean, when we...
When we were talking earlier, when you're doing it for somebody else or you're that you'redoing it for somebody else and you're losing yourself.
Yeah, I have 100 % agree with you on that for sure.

(36:36):
Because it's so easy to, like you said, just to look at it in a way of like, we want to doit for somebody else and you want to impress somebody else and instead of going internally
and just being like, no, I need to do this for me.
I need to make it so it's something that's special for me and special for

(36:59):
Even the people around me, feel like not, you know, just not that they like, not that theyhave to make it special for me, but I just think of like the people that have crude me in
races and things like that.
Right.
I, I give them all the credit for getting me through a race.
You know, it's not, wasn't, took everybody as a whole to make that happen, you know, andso, and I, and I, and I don't, and I know I can't do that on my own.

(37:24):
I need somebody there for me to be there with me.
And, but.
But also, you know, knowing myself and knowing what I need is always like, always mydownfall sometimes because sometimes I do want to do it for somebody else or I like, I'm
just supposed to, don't like to be the center of attention ever on anything.

(37:46):
And then sometimes I think it makes me miss out on some stuff because of it, but that'sjust who I am.
don't, in fact, like when social media came out and like I had to
you know, post certain amount of posts because like, you know, for the companies orwhatever I was running for, I had a hard time doing that because I just felt like I just

(38:09):
felt like I was bragging or not, you know, doing something.
I'm something, you know, I just, didn't feel right doing it at first.
And
And I was like, well, just the more you do it, the more you'll get used to it.
And then I'm just one of those people, I'm not good with words.
So I'm just like, I don't even want to post.
Like I'm just better being in my own little world, doing things that I want to do andlove.
That's what I was getting at.
Like just being doing my thing.

(38:31):
And, um, but I don't know where I was going with the whole Korean thing, but it made sensein my head at the time.
yeah, I think you just being able and I don't know.
just being able to find yourself and I feel like it kind of boils down to having theconfidence of being who you are and doing what you want to do no matter what anybody says

(38:57):
or thinks.
I definitely had to fight that a lot when I had my stroke because it was a lot to getthrough with the doctors and doctor and doctor after doctor.
finally find somebody that believed in what I needed.

(39:19):
I love what you just said and I'm right now.
See, I write little nos to myself so I'd never forget where I want to come back to.
But confidence, I agree with you there.
And I never thought about it in those terms that you just said because I think you'retrying to prove that you are a good hunter or a good runner or this and that to somebody

(39:41):
else.
And if you don't have the confidence to say, am that person,
then you're constantly trying to prove it to somebody and you start losing that withinyourself.
It's like, and it's interesting to me because when people come to me and ask advice onequipment, the advice on, don't ask me where to go hunting though, because I'll send you

(40:08):
400 miles away from where I really am.
Cause I put all that work in there, you know that one.
I found these spots.
You're gonna have to find new ones.
But I'll help you out in equipment.
I'll probably send you in the right direction, but in a good direction.
And it's probably the common thing until you put your work in.

(40:29):
But I'd never thought about that confidence because you're constantly trying to prove thatyou're good enough to be within your, you're trying to give yourself confidence.
It's not like I'm, trying to prove that I'm good enough to be here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
you are good enough to be here.
You just didn't have that confidence within yourself.
It's like, I mean, I'm looking like people come, like I said, the equipment you, I mean,you have your speed, that speed land shirt on.

(40:57):
could come up and say, do you love those shoes?
You know what I mean?
Or for me, I mean, everybody has their preferences though.
And I have, I've learned some days like,
This works good for me.
Because I'm a Solomon Speedcross person, that's me.

(41:20):
Okay?
But what works for me might not work for you.
And I think you need to try, I think you need to try, I think you need to try differentbows, I think you need to try different shoes, I think you need to try, I'm a Sitka
person, but if you like Kuyu, you try that stuff out.
You know what I mean.

(41:41):
Yeah.
works for you is for you.
I can give you advice and I can give you where I think this needs to go.
But in the end, it's your choice that makes you better.
What makes you better?
Yeah.
Wait, you asking me that question?
That's a deep question.

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I know what you're saying.
I got worried for a minute.
I'm like, oh no.
No, but I mean, those are the places we can go, you know, in, so when,
When we were talking about confidence earlier, that's where I know I ramble at times, butwhen people start coming and ask you those questions, that means you have done something

(42:35):
that people want to come and ask you those questions.
So why are we trying to prove it to the world?
Yeah, I never thought of it like that.
Like the people coming up and asking, I never thought about that that way.
Like, yeah, I guess just cause I don't, I mean, I openly admit, like I struggle with myconfidence immensely, but it's something that I'm working on to be better at just more so

(43:02):
just like you say, believing that I belong, you know, cause I, I don't ever want to,
I my age as an excuse, but it's like, I, cause I don't ever want to feel like I'm old.
Like I might not ever, but you know, but, you know, but I just, it's just one of thethings I, I just struggle with.

(43:27):
I, I, my, my earlier years, I mean, I got stuck on the whole comparison train wagon andthat's just such a bad, bad place to be.
And I, and I figured that out real fast.
Like,
just a bad place to be and you know, I admit that.
I mean, I am not afraid to admit that I had struggles with, mean, because I mean, anybodydoesn't admit they hadn't had struggles with anything.

(43:52):
I don't feel completely honest either.
but yeah, I mean, there's struggles.
mean, just like you're saying, just kind of being in this like feeling like you're notsure why you're feeling this certain way, you know, and.
And so it's just like a game.
I can't play my head and I try to just constantly remind myself that it's okay.

(44:18):
Like I said before, we're doing what we love and we just need to keep it at that andyou're lucky to be here.
So like to be doing that.
So try to put it in that terms and it helps me.
But yeah.
it, I, tomorrow is like 16 minutes of Rick and I'm, and I'm, know I'm, I'm going here, butit's 16 minutes of Rick.

(44:45):
like I said, I struggled this last three or four months and I don't know if it's, I'vegained a little weight that I shouldn't have gained.
And I haven't been, I put in miles, but I haven't been in putting quality miles.
You know, I, I'm not climbing mountains like I normally do, but we got extra snow and I.
to you though?
What is quality to you?
quality is at least climbing a mountain a week.

(45:09):
I mean, I put in my regular time, but quality is, I usually climb a mountain we have here.
It's round trip, roughly seven miles, roughly 5,400 vertical, well, 1,600 vertical feet ofgain.
And it's four hours of freedom of, and I'm talking about freedom of, from the world.

(45:31):
Yeah, it's so nice to be unplugged.
And I think I haven't had that.
that's where my struggle has been is that you, I get up at 4.30 in the morning, I go formy walks in the morning, but it's a short thing and you're thinking about work or you're

(45:52):
thinking about this and you don't unplug.
I go for these other, when spring is here now,
Hopefully it's starting to come.
We'll have three or four feet of snow here in about a month or so.
what I'm saying is when you unplug, when you can get away and you can think and you canstill, the quality depends upon the day.

(46:21):
Some days I speed up, days I take my time and take pictures.
But the quality is...
of my mental health, of my physical health, of me feeling good, and that gives meconfidence.
So, you know, and here's the difference between, I mean, I've said this before too, is theconfidence person knows they're good, an arrogant person tells everybody they're good.

(46:51):
So, you know, in, in, in, where I was getting to this, where we were also getting, and Iwas talking about tomorrow's episode is I say, I said in it, I said, it's, it's crazy, but
I feel I would rather be alone in the woods by myself.

(47:12):
Cause I went to Salt Lake last week and you're, I'm with, don't know.
There was probably, I don't know how many people were at the show.
there's, there's a ton of people like thousands.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah.
Thousands of people.
I go to, and I've never missed a show ever.
And, and I have lots of friends and I'm not, this is no diss against any of my friends,but it's funny how you can be in a crowd and you can feel really alone.

(47:43):
But, but I can be in the woods being alone and I'm not alone.
I don't feel my.
but insides feel a lot better being in the woods by myself than I do in the crowd.
It brings peace to you, that is it.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

(48:05):
Yeah.
funny thing is, and I want to get your perspective because we talked about it earlier whenyou broke your teeth and not even where you were playing hockey where you were ultra
running.
But anyway, just kidding.
You got a hockey puck to the mouth there.
I'm just kidding.

(48:25):
But but but here's where I'm going with this is
that you said you could see the third and fourth place runner and you wanted to catchthem.
And I've always had this thing and I don't know what it is.
Those are the things like I climbed the peak I'm telling you about.

(48:47):
I climbed it a hundred times.
climbed it, some days I climbed it like did a marathon in a day and some days I did itonce a day.
didn't, I climbed it with every third day I was climbing it.
That was the average.
is some days were different.
But here's where I'm going with that.
If there was somebody ahead of me, and most of the time I climbed it in the morning so Icould see people, if there is somebody ahead of me, I wanted to catch them.

(49:14):
And what is that within us?
don't know.
That's just being, just that competitive side, just like, I want to do it.
And I don't even feel what I'm thinking about it.
It's not something like I want to, I think for me, it's like, it's like a toughness thing.

(49:35):
Like I'm going to do this.
Like I'm going to dig deep and fight off all this.
Bad feelings.
I'm happy right now.
I'm gonna go get it.
I Don't know and this being a competitive person.
I think it's one of those things that you take pride in wanting to like you said to passthat person if they're ahead of you or to You know if you're on the mountain and you see

(49:57):
that person too, especially if it's a place you're familiar with it's something you doevery day That's my mountain.
That's my place.
You're not gonna beat me up those mountains, but
For me, it's just the, it's more of just like an inner drive for me, an inner drive to seeif I can do it too.
Like just see if I can push beyond the barriers and, and see if I can make it happen forme.

(50:24):
Cause you're right, that's the funny thing what you just said too, because I knew themountain and I know if these guys aren't really, if these guys are just average hikers, I
know where they're going to, I'm going to catch them.
They're going to get to this part and I'm going to blow by them.
if they look like they're in a shape, cause you can kind of see in a couple areas, you cankind of see if.

(50:49):
Yeah.
And I'm thinking, well, I might need to push a little harder, but I know that they aren'tdoing this every day.
Cause I'm up here more than anybody at that time.
And I'm going to bet you, you know, in, here's another funny thing.
And I want to know this from a runner.
I've never asked.
I never asked Paul.
never asked Emily.
So here's a question that I'm going to ask you that I've never asked them because you justmade me think about this because there's two things when I was climbing and I don't, want

(51:16):
to know, I want to know.
if you say this to yourself or not, or am I just kind of out there kind of crazy and dumb?
And it's funny because when you're by yourself, you talk to yourself.
I've talked, and I talk to my, like my legs, I say, come on girls.
And I've had people with me and they go, who are you talking to?

(51:39):
Who are the girls?
they're my legs.
And they're my legs.
I'm trying to get them to go get moving.
You know, it's like, like, but here's where I come with the girl part is like, I'm tellingmyself, don't be a little bitch, you got to get moving here, you know, so maybe that's
where it came from.
I don't know.
But it's like, who are you talking to?

(52:03):
Yeah, I definitely wanted to talk to myself a lot and I will say things like similar tojust like yeah, like come on Lindsay quit being such a pussy quit being you know, such a
Yeah, I'm like you said to come be such a little bitch and be just get out there go do itmake it happen like Dig deep and find a way so it's it's I think I feel like those mantras

(52:33):
is what gets you through those times though where you're just like wanting to push hardand get love that like you have to have just a certain
Certain much on your head or if it's changing constantly like mine is because I can't keepa single thought in my head for more than five seconds But just to have that to get to get
through You know, of course, know, there's all those times when you have those lows likeespecially in the longer races and and it's just like, you know

(53:04):
I cuss a lot during the low times.
as I'm just like, and I'm like, we'll get out of this, we'll get out of this, we'll getout of this.
And then like, then you start going, this has been a lot longer.
What if I don't get out of this?
Come on, body, like work with me, work with me.
We got this work with me.
I know I've abused you today, but just work with me.

(53:25):
Please.
I have to tell you, I swear it myself too, there's been a lot of F words and MF words andother things and it's not too, and here's the scary thing about that is because you think
you're by yourself and you come around the corner and somebody, oh wow, it's like, oh mygosh, they heard me talking and it wasn't to them.

(53:47):
They kind of looked at you kind of funny.
I know that happened so many times.
So many times.
Well, that's, you know, at least I don't feel alone anymore.
But it's funny because I never asked Paul and I never asked Emily that one.
I thought, am I the only one that's calling my legs names and saying get along, you know?

(54:13):
take that one from you too.
I like that one.
This helped you look within yourself, you know, but it's, cause it's also, saw a deal,would you, as a meme or a video I saw, would you walk, how many people would get up in the

(54:35):
morning and hike eight hours just to see the view for two minutes?
And I'm one of those people.
Yeah, yeah, I've done that many times.
we, yeah, hiked through, fact, the South Sisters, the mountain range here, and one ofthem's relatively, ranges aren't real difficult here in Oregon.

(55:04):
I mean, they're hard, but not like crazy hard.
But so we got up like,
three o'clock in the morning, ditch black, got our headlamps on and hiked for, God,probably a good two hours until we got to the peak of the mountain and just the same
thing, just to watch the sunrise.

(55:24):
And once it was done, it was like, okay, now we're gonna be left.
was like, that was amazing, beautiful.
And I would be sat there for a minute, because it's just taking the moment, of course,because I'm a sucker for sunsets and sunsets.
More so sunsets, because I'm not a big early riser, but I will be if I have people withme.
just to catch those moments is...

(55:47):
I don't know.
Especially for me living on the ocean, it has an extra beauty to it for me, because it'slike we're ending the day here.
like, ending the day, the sun just set.
I mean, it's...
And they're just spectacular, because you can just see it going over.
and starting on the other side of the world today is gonna be starting soon.

(56:10):
You can just see it rolling over.
But I will never beat mountain, sunset or sunrise.
So I don't know, because those are pretty hard to beat, since I love being in themountains so much.
But being by the ocean is pretty, there's just something about the waves crashing andwatching that.

(56:33):
It just always has a special feel to it for me.
Cause that's what I think, I lived in Australia and I was along the beach a lot, inWestern Australia.
And it's kind of crazy to me because I'm a mountain lover.

(56:53):
And then I see people going to the beach for peace and I think it is a crashing.
I think it's more the sound.
Yeah.
not saying you don't get good views.
I'm not saying that, but it's interesting to me.
Like it's the crashing part.
Maybe that's just calms you.
I don't know.

(57:15):
I mean, it like when we were in Costa Rica last year when Cody and I ran the CoastalChallenge and Paul came down with us and most of the course ended right by the beach.
And just every night, just all the locals, everybody all came out, watched the sunsetevery night.

(57:35):
It's just, well, to me, it's just something that just never gets old to be.
because each one's always a little different, I guess.
But yeah, I don't know.
There's just something serene about it, I guess, that just makes people, I really don'tknow.
Like honestly, I mean, for me, I know it's a calming thing for me, Mike.

(57:57):
And I tend to reflect a lot on the day when I go watch it, when the sun comes out here,which is very few and far between.
I guess maybe that's why they're so special.
That could be.
That is very, very true there because, To see those, here's my dream one day is I want totake up all this equipment and then I want to sit on top of the mountain, watch the

(58:32):
sunrise and do a live podcast or something.
I don't know what I got to do, but.
and sit there and chat with somebody, you
Or would you?
Would you want that peaceful moment though of watching it?
know, and that's the other part that we go into too, cause I think I like that peacefulmoment.
And where I like that person that read that I've made get out of bed because I'vechallenged them.

(58:58):
So now we got to go climb the mountain and see the sunrise.
And then they get up there and they go, this is awesome.
And it's peaceful.
And it's the most beautiful thing I've seen in a long, time.
And that makes me happy too.
So it's not that they're going to do it.
as much as I would.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I love the idea.

(59:24):
So they don't have a lot of people don't have to get up out of bed because I'm alreadyshowing them the sunrise when they open their eyes.
And they're always beautiful!
So, well, you know, I hope I asked one last question.
I will let you get going.
But I'll ask.

(59:44):
talking with you.
could talk probably another two hours with you.
I could too, so we'll have to do this again, but you have kids and I have a wife, butyeah.
And she's probably like, come on.
Just like my daughter, she just pointed at me to like, you done yet,

(01:00:07):
But she wouldn't do that.
is the most awesome wife that she understands what I'm trying to do and that's a coolthing, you know.
But we asked, yeah.
What made you want to start doing the podcast?
What was your driving force behind it?
I'm just curious.

(01:00:27):
I just always am interested in that.
I think I've had, I think I felt I had something to say.
And I think it was after my mother had died and I wanted to do this a while ago when Ididn't have the guts to do it.
And then, then my buddy, actually my partner Ricky, he did a podcast with me.

(01:00:53):
He does another podcast called The Range.
OK.
a podcast and it got more philosophical because here's my problem.
I've done a few, I want to know about the person.
I don't, I love what you do and I love, you know, like racing and I love this, but wheredoes it take you?
And that's where I like going here.
And I love to have, and I love to have conversations with people.

(01:01:19):
And I felt like that's why I started doing like posting.
That's why I try to say.
Like some days I don't have anything to say cause I haven't read anything that it wasreally hit me or I haven't seen anything that inspired me and everything I put out there
and I'll quote it if it's not me, but I may have read something, but I want to put it inmy words because I feel this is, I wanted to be authentic and I wanted people to, I want

(01:01:49):
people to listen to this thing and say, Hey, this guy has some cool things to say and
his guests are awesome because they have something to say, you know, mean, how many timesdo we get to talk to the people that have cool stories?
And there's a lot of people out there.
Like you said, you can line up at a race and everybody has a story to tell, but doeseverybody feel comfortable to tell it?

(01:02:16):
and, and I did a conversation with if you ever get the chance, Kelly Lovelace.
It's a story about me.
And what happened was more or less, and I went through a bad divorce years ago and Kellywas there and helped me through this.
But I think here's in this day and age.

(01:02:38):
It's getting better, but men.
Don't I want to I I'm a transparent open book and I know that I do a dumbass things and Iknow that I say dumbass things, but I want people to have that.
Rick said this, or Rick had a conversation about this, and now I've had people that havesaid, thank you, you've saved my life.

(01:03:04):
So when that app comes through, because I listened to your podcast and it wasn't a gooddeal.
So here's, you know, but I listened to the podcast and you got me through this problem.
So if I can help one person, that's all that matters.
But I think.
Yeah.
It's about helping people.
How can I help people?
Cause I'm not a rich man and I'm not, but if I can get a voice out there and people canhave a conversation and be good, that's why I want, that's why I try to, if you wake up

(01:03:34):
and go for like, have that fresh air in your lungs in the morning.
And even if you don't, if you see that I'm doing it, then, maybe you'll think aboutsomething I might've said.
Maybe you'll,
Yeah.
I know you follow me and I know that, but I never told my dad to go do his walks.

(01:04:00):
And he walks those, you know, and he's 81, gonna be 82, and he's putting on two to threemiles a day, four miles on Sundays, walking.
And here's the bad deal, he's like, I stop and take a picture, I gotta run to catch upwith him, because I just.
Guys, he wasn't that fast, huh?

(01:04:21):
Yeah, but those are the times you feel closer to people and people get out there andthink.
So I did it because I probably did it selfishly, unselfishly I'd say, know what I mean?
Selfishly because I thought I had something to say unselfishly because I think if peoplewanna listen and get something out of it, then it's good.

(01:04:42):
But I wanted to.
amazing.
I was just curious, what was, yeah, what drove you to do that?
That's, that's really, I like that.
But don't die rusty is about more than just your body moving.
It's about your mind and it's feeling your body.

(01:05:03):
I'm going to be kicking and screaming when I go out in this world.
I hope so, I think everyone should if they know.
And the other thing is I've seen people like, I'm not trying to get sentimental here, butI've seen people die in hospitals.
I've seen people die.

(01:05:24):
And I know here's a funny one for you though, but that I hope I die in the woods and Ihope I die in the woods because when, if I died in the woods, the birds would start eating
me.
The coyotes might, they might say he's not very good.
I don't know, but.
Whatever, whatever starts eating me, whatever starts eating me is gonna poop me out.

(01:05:48):
Now then that means I'd be spread out.
Plus when everybody said Rick was a piece of crap, I would be.
goodness, that's great!
That was so great.

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That was a pretty hard prize because you're a pretty great guy.
But you know, mean, I do hope my last breaths are in the piece of anyway, so yeah.
But we always ask a last question.

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And here it is, and I never even gave you a tip of what it was gonna be, but you mightknow what it is anyway.
So.
here.
The last question we always ask is, what's the good life to Lindsay?

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I would just say for me, it's not necessarily about what's a good life for me, but I thinkwhat a good life I can leave for my kids and I guess just the lessons I can show them and

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what mom has done.
so for me, like the good life is just.
live it to the fullest you can.
My mother-in-law passed away at a quite young age of second beta cancer that she had.

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And I remember one of the last things she ever said to us was, don't wait till you're oldto do what you want to do.
She says, I do it now.
that really stuck with me, it really stuck.
in a way that probably, mean, put us financially into places.

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I mean, we always have been fine, but just, we could be better, but we chose to live thatway, to just do it now and not wait until that time comes or till you have the right
moment or, you know, the perfect financial situation.
I mean, to, you know, just cause I honest about that.

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So,
So I would just say, you know, do it now.
Don't wait.
And don't wait for that perfect moment.
Don't wait for, you know, till I'm the certain age that I'm gonna start doing it.
There's no reason you can't start even after you listen to this podcast, whatever thatdream was, start doing it, start doing that.

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And it might be hard for it to start, but once you get rolling and get get your squadbehind you if you need it and.
and go do it.
that's probably what I would, that's kind of my life as Lindsay, suppose.

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So, but I just, I've been fortunate to travel places that, you know, most people probablywon't ever get to see in their lifetime.
And I feel very fortunate of that.
And a lot of that's just, again, just doing it.
why I can and don't wait.

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mean, just like you're saying, don't die rusty, right?
you just go live all those dreams, even if you have to, even if it means, I mean, I knowwe're not all financially in the means to go travel to crazy places, but that doesn't mean
you have to go travel somewhere crazy just to find a reason to, but even just like yousaid, even just hiking up a mountain, doing things like that.

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you know, go, just go do it, don't wait.
I know that's probably not really like any awe-inspiring thing, but you know, I justreally, my mother-in-law really stuck with me with that, because she didn't get to see a
lot of things that she wished she would have done, because they waited to live out theirdream, and it was too late.

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So, yeah.
I think that is wonderful.
I think you said it pretty well.
I think you because that's the way I feel I mean there are things in life that you got todo it when you can because You can't wait.
How do we know what's going to happen tomorrow?

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And like you said, that's what don't die rusty is about it's about living your best lifewhile you can and Taking the chances We don't know what's going to happen tomorrow
No.
Yeah.
know, I might be out on a morning walk and meet Sasquatch that doesn't like me.
I don't know, you know.
If that happens, you'll be so famous.

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But I love what you're doing there because so many people don't chase their dreams.
And it's funny what you just said too.
And I was taking one of my guys down to pick up a truck the other day.
I work at a lumber yard and we were getting one fixed and I was taking him and he said hewanted to go to Japan.

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I said, why aren't you going?
Well, I said there's no wells about this.
You
done for you.
That's great.
Yeah.
You know, there isn't a well.
There's like, you're gonna save up and you're gonna go do it.
You look in, go get your passport, get ready and you're gonna do it because life is waytoo short not to go do it.

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You know, you may wanna go to Japan.
He wanted to go to Japan.
I said, you may wanna go to Japan.
I don't wanna really go to Japan.
I wanna go to Mongolia.
I wanna go to, you know, I mean, I would have loved to go on to.
Tibet or wherever else, those are just interests to me, you know.
mean, Paul and I talked about Cody going to Bhutan.

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I mean, those are places that I would love to see, but there you go.
Keep chasing your dreams.
You know, that's...
not crazy, that's just after, mean, having my stroke and everything like that, it's justlike, just gotta go live.

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Cause you just, like you said, you just never know what's gonna happen.
Like I didn't, I didn't know the night after my birthday, I was gonna wake up middle ofthe night and my life was gonna completely change.
You know?
And so,
So yeah, and I think just being and just doing what you love, doesn't have to be running.

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doesn't have to be, can just be even just music, it's music you love, you know?
Like go chase it, go find what drives you to do that.
but anyways, but I'm always nervous to answer those questions.
No, you did awesome, so thank you.

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And thank you so much for being on this episode.
thank you for having me.
It's been a wonderful pleasure.
Really has.
And I really hope we get to meet in person someday.
So I get to sit down and pick your brain with everything you've done and lived and allyour hunting stories and everything.

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So.
Well, well, we'll find the time to do this because I think this is these are the thingsthat I think people need to do to, you know, what's funny is when we first started this,
said, I never wanted to do one that wasn't in person.
And I've done a few that weren't in person.
mean, I've done most of them now because I think you get a different vibe.

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You get a different, you know, it's just one of those things.
So one of these days we're going to meet and we're going to do one in person.
Okay Okay, okay, I'll maybe I'll be a little more brushed up on my podcast skills I'veI've I've shy away from them and I I I've had opportunities and I don't do it and but I

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was just like I can't say no to it.
I can't
Well, you did wonderful.
And it's funny, and I'll get off here in a second, but it's funny because I had a friendthat I was telling you about that does the Life is Better with the Bo podcast, Sean
DeGray, and he has Frank Charles works for him.

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And Frank has a story about addiction and stuff that I did it with him.
And he went and talked to Sean, he talked to me though.
So there we go.
Thank you.
There you go.
You're just...
You're like...
You're just...
up there.
Everybody knows Rick.

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But we have a great, we have authentic conversation and I like that part.
I don't have questions.
I do write down on little notepads, like I wanna get back to what something you said, butI don't have a question.
I think the authentic conversations are what needs to be held in this world too.

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And I, that's why I, doesn't feel I've listened to of yours.
That's what I really liked about it.
It wasn't, like you said, it wasn't geared towards like, Oh, what have you done inrunning?
What have you done this?
You know, like some of them are like, that's just all they talk about.
Whereas like, Oh, he's supposed to get to know you as a person.
Like, that's just wonderful.

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So, um, so I really, I'm really, really thankful for the opportunity.
I really am.
So.
Well, you better guarantee me the next time, if we have another one and we have it inperson, you'll do it with me.
Well, that means we have a.
and you have it.
have it.

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say it on camera.
Good.
So we have an episode in the future to do.
So that'll be awesome.
maybe for some reason I'd come out to South Dakota.
I don't know.
Okay.
That'd be awesome.
Bring the family.
You have a place to stay.

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Just remember that.
And remember Mount Rushmore is not in Colorado.
It's in the Black Hills of South Dakota.
That is funny.
We've had arguments before about this stuff with people.
No, it's in Colorado.
Where at in Colorado then are you talking?

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Oh, that's good.
That just made me write to me.
This is probably even embarrassing to admit and people are going to be like, what in theworld?
when I first started, like when I first kind of heard about ultra running and all that inWestern States and my brother and I would talk about it because he always wanted to do it.

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And so I kind of was in it, but not really because it wasn't something I was interested inat the time.
So I thought for the longest time that western states was in Colorado.
So there you go.
But not Rushmore.
Not Rushmore, I knew it was in South Dakota.

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Alright, I need to let you go.
Because I know we're all different zombies.
No, you're fine, but I'll just say, you know, I'll let you go here too, but I wanna thankyou so much.
This has been a fun conversation.
Can't wait till our next one.
This is so great.
Yeah, no, me too.
I really appreciate it.

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It was a lot of fun.
So yeah, like I said, we will meet in person someday eventually.
So yes, we have to, even if it's in Idaho.
So yeah.
so don't die rusty nation.
You keep chasing your dreams, being the best you and of course, don't die rusty.

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Thank you.
So.