DDR 055 - Dr. Ray Jensen - Don't Die Rusty Podcast

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You know, we'll be good.
Hello, don't die rusty nation.
This is Rick Hansen again.
And today is, this is interesting because we did a episode, think it well, it wasn't June.
I'm here with Dr.
Ray Jensen, and this is going to be an interesting conversation because we haven't talkeda lot in a podcasting sense, but

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After the podcast and since he's worked on my body, my knees, we've become friends.
that's, I'm lucky to call you a friend.
And I've done a few fire and ices with you.
That's being in a sauna and being in a cold plunge tub.
And it's just been an interesting journey here.

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And I thought, you know what?
We had such a great conversation up at Terry Pete.
Ricky's not here with us, but I hope I can keep the conversation going.
We need to have you back over for the fire and ice again too.
Yes, because here's the deal.
And I say that a lot, but here's the deal.
The last time I was there and did the fire and ice with you, I didn't feel any pain forlike two days.

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Like nothing.
And that just makes you realize how much things work.
You know, mean, to me, I didn't, really didn't.
I slept the best I've ever slept.
Nice.
Yeah.
I mean, I get that a lot when we put in, when we put people into the cold water.
Yeah.
It's, the very first, first few times it's a reset.

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It's a, it's a activation of something deep within you doing hard things that makes it so.
Yeah.
It's pretty sound, sound sleep.
It is.
And I,
and then not to feel any pain.
And I have to say you've been injected my knees and I still feel I still feel good.

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Good.
Honestly, I mean, have not.
Well, that's been that's been a while ago, too.
Yeah.
And I went to Salt Lake.
It was a spur of the moment thing.
I went to Salt Lake to the Western Honey Expo and I sit on a plane and
before if I sat on the set anywhere still for like an hour, I was in pain.

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Like I had to stand up or there is nothing.
I gotta stretch my legs out and then we got stuck on a plane and it was just not a funtime.
But my legs didn't hurt.
They did okay.
They did okay so everything's good.
Yeah but it's always a cumulative effect of what you do.
You know maybe the injections just.

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push it over the edge and then you you can get into a mental aspect of pain and discomfortand you know you mentioned earlier you've been in a little bit of a funk and I think
you've been talking about that with some of your episodes and so yeah everything you knoweverything takes takes the hit with with your health unfortunately.
Well and we're gonna get into this stuff I just you know since the last time we chattedyou've gone on a few things

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you've gone on some adventures and you had a life changes and you have big life changes.
I don't know if you want to talk about it.
we can talk about it.
don't know how to talk about it in a way that makes me not relive it.
yeah, I started out and ventured out on my own through a forced relationship essentially.

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So now I have my own practice where I'm able to do a little bit, well, basically to dowhatever I want now.
And so it's been nice, but it's also, it's been a struggle.
So it's been hard, I've been busy.
I've been hustling and I'm sure some people that have listened to it are familiar with it,others aren't, but yeah, it's been life changing.

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I've been on some adventures.
That's helped my mental strength to kind of push through it.
But it's hard on your own.
It's a challenge.
that's where, like, kind of I'm going with my life in some aspects.
Not that it's hard on your own, that I'm going totally on my own.

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you know, mean, Ricky's busy and I'm doing a lot of this stuff on my own, too.
But that's not comparable to you.
But everybody's got their own thing.
I got a lot on my own.
mean, it's fascinating how many conversations I have with people, you know, and theyalways want to know, Hey, you know, Ray, what are you up to?
What's going on?
You know, they always want story and like everybody is so supportive and it's like acommunity, just like the don't die rustic community.

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It's like people that work on their own and they get away from the establishments and getaway from the poor culture and the environment and the toxic work relationships.
People that get away from that are so much happier.
And you know, it's only been like six months for me.
but you know, I'm, I'm way happier.

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Well, and that's what it's about, but there's, there's two things.
I mean, like I said, I call you friend now because we've done more stuff together.
So I do that, but I'm having, I have troubles with the medical field in itself, but you'rethe one.
We talked about this when we were doing this.

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don't know if you want to get into this.
No, but no, but you're the one guy I trust.
I gotta stay neutral.
No, and that's I'm not saying I'm not telling I don't want to know any stories becausesome of this is not in my business and I don't give a darn.
But what I'm saying is I trust very few doctors because I look at things as a medicalmachine at times like insurances and big

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conglomerate places that just keep on adding hospitals or clinics, but I don't trust verymany doctors in the aspect because are they doing this to make money for other, for the
clinics or the hospitals or are they doing it for me?
And these are the questions that come into my head.

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And then the other problem is, and I wouldn't call it a problem, I think the problem withthe medical industry now is there's so many
experts and podcasters doing talking about medical stuff that we I wouldn't even know Iwouldn't even think about and then I go look it up and I'm not saying I'm a doctor but at
least I'm having more knowledge of what's going on with my body right and to be able tosit there and chat with you about things and like I said I'm not I'm not I trust you and

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that's one of the few things and it's hard for me to trust people
in some aspects, but to trust a doctor with what's going on with me is another step aboveactually to me because I'm trusting you with that we're making the right decision for me
in the end.
Well, it's a very intimate thing to it's a vulnerable place to be in pain and discomfortand inability and having the limitations sometimes is

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frightening for people because they don't they don't know what to expect and I thinkYou're exactly right.
I mean as a medical community in general over the last five years Can I say the COVID wordon you?
can say whatever you want.
not gonna get we're not gonna get out of there.

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No, but I mean, I think we clearly dropped the ball in so many ways That we can spendhours talking about
how the medical system in general, not everybody, but in general, failed a populationincredibly sad.

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I don't even know the words to use.
And now it's almost like an awakening.
Now people are like, wait a second, I'm not sure that's the right thing for me.
I'm going to sound silly when I say this, but like I listen to podcasts all the time and Ilearned more from podcasts than I ever did in medical school.

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Yeah, really?
100 % because you're basically taking an hour out of your life and unless you listen toRogan, then you're listening for three hours, which I do often because you're having a
conversation with someone that's an expert in their field.
for one hour's time.
Like, I mean, the beauty of podcasting is incredible because of the information.

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you can go on and get information on any topic you want.
You I only listen to medical podcasts, but there's tons of hunting podcasts.
There's like, I mean, they're all over the place.
I look at, I like to listen to so many different podcasts.
actually we were talking about Lindsay, Lindsay Elrick,

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did her episode on this Monday, actually, I did it.
But we were talking too, and it's like, there is so much out there to learn that we, it isjust amazing.
then to, I don't want to inhale it all the time, but this conversation that we're havingdoesn't matter if it's an hour or two long, it's, we're learning.

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I had a, when I was a kid,
Well, not a kid.
was in my early twenties.
I nightcapped.
I lived on a ranch and I kept it because I was a young kid.
So you're the guy that does the night stuff.
But I would read books and I like I read, I saw the movie Seven and I didn't know anythingabout the Seven Deadly Sins.

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But I will tell you, don't ever, unless you're in a college class, don't read Dante'sInferno by yourself because it's boring or it's so boring.
That's the curiosity that we have and that's where podcasts take us.
Cause if I hear something on, we were just talking about a episode of Joe Rogan earlierand it just interest piqued my interest.

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wanted to learn more about the guy who's talking to you.
But there you go.
That word curious, like be curious.
Yeah.
Like, that's like, if I could sum up what my opinion on, on healthcare providers.
And know, any industry, healthcare is an industry.
Why we call it healthcare, I think I said on the last bit, sick care is not healthcare.

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But they're not curious anymore.
No one's curious.
They're just existing in life.
they go to their, you know, they go to their job and they see a patient who has a numberand then they see the next patient who's the next number and you wanna fit that person
into a box or whatever you wanna call it.

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so that they can pass on to the next widget or whatever as they go down the line.
And so what happens, the diversity in medicine is there.
And so if you don't wanna recognize that challenging case or that difficult patient or thepatient that maybe needs a little bit extra time, they don't even think about it.

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This is where I'm lucky where I get to have conversations.
And this is where I started really questioning the medical industry, we'll say, because Idid, did mean a bond horse.
Her son Jackson was in the UTV accident in Fort Pierce, South Dakota.
It'd be about a year and a half, two years ago, just about, well, little over it.

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Anyway, year and a half ago, would be close to.
And she was telling the story and it was like,
There was no compassion.
was harsh.
After 11 days of being at Sioux Falls, I can't remember which hospital off the top of myhead, but they told him to take him off the van later.

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He's going to be a vegetable.
And listening to her, and it is funny.
I mean, we can talk about signs of life, but she told me that, I know I remember thisexplicitly, but she...
told me in the podcast that she's walking in because they have the family around.
going to take this is the doctors had her believing that this is what they needed to do.

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And she walked in, she's walking in.
She sees a purple charger.
That's what her son always wanted to have as a purple charger.
there was one in the parking lot.
And she said her favorite movie, his favorite movie was Jaws.
And here comes a guy walking out the doors that looks like Richard Dry.
And she's questioning herself as she goes up and she gets into the hotel.

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mean, in the, in the room, hospital room, and she says, we're not doing it today.
And then he ended up going to a brain, uh, brain place in Sioux falls.
Then he ended up going to Craig, Colorado.
Right.

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And then he ended up going to Omaha.
And now, the doctors are saying he was gonna go to a, before this happened, if he evercomes out of this, he's gonna go to like a home, because he's never gonna be mentally able
to take care of himself again and all this stuff.
And he went to Craig, he went to Omaha to learn to take care of himself.

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Now he's re-enrolling at SDSU.
That's the hope.
And then,
Then the other evening I talked to, like I said, Lindsay Ulrich and she had a stroke 12years ago.
And she's an ultra runner.
And they said, you'll never run again.
And she's running again.

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These are the things where I have problems because you aren't getting, some people don'tgive people hope.
And I think as a patient, sometimes you need reality, but you also need hope that.
You can help yourself be better.
know what I mean?
If you push yourself, you can do better too.
Like you've been honest with my knees.

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I'll be, you know, and we've discussed how to fix them where we might need to go.
But there's always hope.
And you always tell me that I got to do my stuff fair share too.
It's like, you can't just give me something that's going to be a miracle.
have to work myself.
If I got new knees.

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If I don't follow healing them, then why did I get them?
I mean, that sums up.
People just want the easy.
They want people to do the work for them.
They want the easy button.
That easy button doesn't exist.

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No, and it just drives me crazy because my wife who is hippie-ish
You know her.
Bitch.
Hippie-ish.
I like that.
She gets...
She got me really...
In the beginning, I was kind of scoffing at her a little bit because I was making fun ofher being a hippie.

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But then I got thinking and then she got into functional medicine.
Yes.
And I wasn't realizing then you start listening to Huberman, you start listening to otherpeople, start listening to whoever else.
I started realizing her hippy-ishness is really not hippy-ishness, it's more smartnessbecause we're looking to find the root of the problem and why it's causing certain things

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and it's not like, I exercising enough?
Am I eating the right thing?
But you don't have to go out and get crazy about this stuff in the aspect that you canstill live a great life.
Absolutely.
Well, I'm sorry.
point this out, like there's a lot of hippies that are doing pretty good in life.

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I know, that's nothing to be worried about.
mean, look at them.
They're you're weird.
You have chickens in your backyard.
Yeah.
Well, they seem pretty happy.
Yeah.
And they seem pretty healthy.
Yeah.
And they're not going to the doctor.
No.
What are they doing?
What do you think?
You must be doing something right.

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You're eating right.
You're exercising.
you're meditating, you're doing self care, like some of those things that our society orour norm thinks is weird.
Well, define where to me then, whatever you think makes you a better person, like if youwant to sit in the corner and meditate and hum and do excessive breathing or whatever it

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is, like do you.
Well, and that's, and they live in a simpler life.
I mean, I know people that are striving to get that Lamborghini, we'll say, they'restriving to live their happy life.
And that's where I am at the moment is I mean, we're doing this right now, but I'm goingto put a post up or don't, I rusty tomorrow is I just don't want to exist.

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want to live.
And we're going to get into you living here pretty soon.
No, I like, that's, that's what it is.
And that's why, like I love my job.
and we talked a lot about my job at the last podcast.
Um, so you, I mean, I'm an orthopedic surgeon, but, but man, I, I thrive on like gettingpeople to, to back to what they want to do.

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Cause there's a lot of people that get hurt all the time, you know, and, uh, you know,just to, to give people that hope, you know, and I think that's honestly, I think I'm
pretty good at what I do because.
Like I enjoy it.
And I think, you know, to look at somebody and, you know, like I fixed the shoulderyesterday.
Guy wants to go back to wrestling.

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So I'm like, well, let's fix your shoulder because we don't fix your shoulder.
can't wrestle.
You want to wrestle, let's fix your shoulder.
So I fixed a knee on a rodeo gal, you know, she wants to, she wants to go tie.
Well, I'm like, if you don't have a good knee, you can't jump off the horse and go tiethat goat.
You have to step over.
Let's fix your knee and let's fix it the best way possible.
Yeah.
And that's what.

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You know, they live their life.
That's what they choose to do and they want to do it.
And so if you're, you know, if you're passionate about things, think it's, it's, it'snice.
is nice.
And, that's, that's, I want to go on adventures and I want to live and I want to, I turned57 well in about three or four weeks and I want to just keep on rolling, you know, and I,

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this
It's funny.
I had this conversation with Shonda Gray.
was the one that he was the one that I did my first ever podcast with.
actually he did one with me and we talked about Terry peak and stuff.
And that really piqued my interest in doing this.
And then we did a podcast a couple of weeks ago about it started out about, more or lessliving in questions.

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then it
kind of got into purpose.
And I do think there's a purpose for me to want to be doing this because I get to talk toeverybody and we get to learn.
this takes me on another adventure, but I get to go.
mean, I doing from doing this podcast, I get to go to now I'm going to the Western States.

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It's the probably the oldest a hundred mile race in America.
I get to stay with world-class athletes and I get to help out a world-class athlete.
said, I'll try to keep my distance so I don't trip or anything in the race or anything.
But the purpose of this, what I'm trying to get at is we never know what direction we'regoing to go.

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you.
Well, I'm living that right now.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, but we also have to have our mental.
I don't know how to say this because I heard it.
just, Cindy and I were talking about this and it's like, but you need to have your mentalhealth.
And I can't remember how it went, but you went to, you got to go to Fiji.

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Yeah, I did.
Our adventures, but where I'm going with this is our adventures may, when we come homefrom our adventures, we may be tired, but it.
help this out physically, mentally, everything else.
So how do these adventures, I mean, I love watching you doing your foiling.

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Yeah, I do the foiling.
Yeah.
And then just as that, I mean, here's the deal.
I'll never do that.
We talked about that in the last episode because Jaws will come up and eat me and I don'twant to do We could eventually get you out of I got a couple of trainer boards.
We could probably make it.
We don't have to go in the ocean.
We go into Ormond, it's gonna be, you know, it's getting warm out here, so it should be,it should be thawed out here.

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not a, foiling for me has been, you know, it's been an adventure for me because, know,I've been doing it, like, I think I'm on like year, like seven or eight maybe.
So I kind of started really early before there was a lot of it.

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And so it's been it's been really fascinating to kind of follow follow it through.
now now it's like it's a big thing.
It's a big sport.
There's pros.
I think they're racing next weekend in Florida.
And so now it's bigger and it's, you know, way beyond me.
But I I do enjoy that that activity for sure.

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Well, it's kind of like.
I'm going to put it in those.
It's kind of like archery to me.
I don't know if it's to you, like to you in the aspect that there's things that you enjoydoing, but you don't have to think about it.
Like, I don't know if you have to think about it when you're, when you're on the water andyou're catching, it's that freedom that's going through your head that you get, you're

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kind of alone and you get to think about, or don't think about whatever you want to.
I think that's the key for me.
I don't have to think about it.
I don't have to think about, I don't think about anything.
And there's a lot of joy for me to be in, you know, a flow state.
And I may have talked about this on your podcast before or somebody else's, but, you know,being in a flow state is kind of what I seek out because it's just the, you can't define

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happiness.
You can't define
joy, can't, you know, for the most part people can't even define sadness.
you know, when you're not, not feeling any emotion other than just being like, what isthat?
And, know, I refer to it as always the flow state, maybe because it's surfing, so it'sflowing.

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But like for me, I'll find myself sometimes in surgery where I just like, in doing surgeryand it's just like,
It's kind of in those like movies, like Rain Man with all the numbers and all that stuff.
That to me is why I enjoy that stuff.
That's why I enjoy surgery too, because of that.

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And that's why, I mean, we've talked, I mean, we did talk a little bit about flow state inthe last episode.
Was that this one?
Yeah, it was, yeah.
And I mean, I start looking at things.
There's one.
I said it in one episode, I think it was a 24 hours to live episode that we did.
I said, I was elk hunting last year and I was watching this pond cause it was so doggonehot out and it was below me.

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And I was just thinking, you know, if I took my last breath here, wouldn't bother mebecause I'm in a beautiful place and I'm just, you know how you, you don't have
I don't have to kill things when I go hunting.
I felt like this is the most peaceful place I've been in a long time.

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I don't have to think about anything.
I don't have to be anywhere.
I can just lay here and watch the pond and hope an elk comes in.
Then I'd have to think if an elk came in.
But you know, if this is my last breath of pine and sage and whatever else was in the airthere.

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I'm at peace and there's very few things in places that we can go to find that peaceanymore.
Because I think I was telling that the podcast we were talking about earlier, he said,humans don't have a firewall.

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Interesting.
And he said that like our like, we're growing up social media, all this other stuff, wehave no firewall to stop things.
Our mind keeps working.
We're comparing ourselves.
We're doing all.
I mean, I'm, I'm trying to, like I said, I have to re listen to it to really get a goodgrasp of it.

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But I never thought about that.
How our technology has been.
is moving so fast and humans themselves don't have a firewall to stop or slow some of thisstuff down that they actually, I think this, can't remember the study, but they had put

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people together, they put young kids and they were going like, they were going crazy.
Now I shouldn't say crazy, but I can't think of how they said it, but they were going.
They were having mental problems.
They did a test on them for three years.
They tested kids that hysterical maybe could have been the word they used.

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But the ones that were using social media, they were always online playing games, doingthis, doing that.
And then they did the study of the, I don't know how many other people, kids that didn'tdo that and how their minds were totally different.
And that's where he kind of came up with the firewall.

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If you, if you get a chance, listen to the Joe Rogan podcast with, I can't remember hisname.
It's the latest one, but it was quite interesting.
Well, that's the, that, you know, the, response we talk about it all the time.
Like what's your experience when you're looking at a phone, like you, even though youthink your mind is, is all crazy intelligent, like it doesn't know if you're watching a

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lion.
you know, chase after like on a phone, like certain parts of your mind think that that'sreal.
They don't know that you're watching a television screen, even though you think you canturn parts of it off.
It's like kids especially can do it, you know?
And then when you're watching violent things and you're getting that instant response.

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Yeah.
Right.
That trained response of like, look at this picture.
Look at that picture.
Like that, that always having that.
then what does it stop?
Where do you have that reset?
Where do you have that, you know, quiet mind?
I don't know that's the right word for it, but like, you ever seen kids sitting aroundanymore?

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Like when we were growing up, like you were like, there you go, go sit in the corner andjust be quiet for a little while.
you're like, and no way you could do it.
Like they probably put you in like parental prison if you made your kid be quiet for.
An hour.
don't know.
And also they said, I was reading, like they said that we, because we're online, mostpeople at least are on eight hours a day of some social, not social media, but computer

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time, screen time, we'll say.
But we are changing who we are because of this.
we are losing our imagination because boredom created imagination.
This is, and this could be, don't know, I haven't been to any other countries, but ifthink about this, if there's boredom, people try to figure out things.

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So curiosity.
we as a,
And Americans are getting lazier and fatter and this is just the way it is.
But if when you, when we were kids, when I was a kid, it was you go outside and you pick,you figure out your own problems.
You know what I mean?

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Like you went on adventures, but what I'm saying is without the curiosity, without beingbored, new things in America aren't
like new technology, problems aren't being solved as diligently as they were beforebecause people aren't thinking about they're not bored.

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know, like fixing the making the best mouth trap or whatever.
don't know.
you know, it could be anything.
mean, that's how.
Yeah.
I mean, I tell my kids all the time.
Just you got to got to hustle and you got you got to.
learn how to learn, right?
Because they're always making fun of me.
Dad, why did you go to school for 28 years?

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I mean, they don't actually say that, but I feel like, why 28 years?
You never used this math equation.
You never used this in your job.
And I don't.
But you know what it did is it taught me how to learn for the next level, right?
So I took algebra.
I learned how to teach myself how to learn a new thing.

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So then the next hardest thing,
I was able to teach myself how to learn to do that and the next hardest surgery, then Ican teach myself how to do that next.
Like you have to learn how to learn.
And that's what people don't understand.
just think they just think they're just going to be like, I finished school or I got a newjob or, you know, I'll bring this back to why we really want to talk about it.

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Healthcare, right?
Like they don't, they're not, they're not curious.
They don't want to learn.
Like they don't like that's hard.
It's hard to it's hard to dive into something.
It's hard to have hard conversations.
And you know, it's hard if you don't understand things and you think you should and youdon't have the ability to self reflect and say, geez, I wonder if COVID is helping us or

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our treatment options for COVID.
Like look at the look at the people out there, myself included that said,
Sorry, hopefully we don't get canceled.
This is not the brick that...
The COVID talk, yeah.
But I mean, you want people to listen to it.
It doesn't have to be COVID.
It could be whatever it is, diabetes.

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It could be whatever it is.
If we're not curious and the people that are trying to treat you aren't giving it 100 %trying to figure out, just like you said, we're teaching our kids and...
and there's electronics and the AI and all that stuff.
Like you actually have to think about things in a whole system to figure it out.

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And if you're not willing to figure it out, then you just exist.
And when you just exist, then you get really poor healthcare and you get really poorresults and you get people that are really not happy and you get a toxic work environment
because
You know, this person's put in the healthcare system to make money.

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It's a business.
And I understand that it's a business, but if people aren't willing to go the extra mile,that shows.
It shows from leadership.
It shows all the way down.
And when you have these hospital corporations that are in charge of healthcare and thatare charged with insurance companies that are dictating what doctors

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can and cannot do, how is that in there?
But like they didn't go to medical school, they didn't learn how to learn things.
so, but yet they make the decisions that affect our healthcare system.
And doctors, and we are to blame, were lazy enough to give that power to somebody elsebecause they didn't want to do it.

(34:11):
That's it.
I mean, I mean if you if you look at like everyone says like points fingers and says, youknow the health care system I mean Over the last six months and sorry, we won't talk about
this.
No, I want to but I mean whatever you want to talk about You know, I was in a big healthcare system and you don't understand You know the dollars and cents of it, you know, it is

(34:33):
a business and I respect that But I think we're at a point
in the healthcare system that people are going to look for something else.
Well, I agree with you here, but there's you brought up a few points and usually I writethem down, but I'm remembering this.

(34:54):
that's pretty good.
First of all, I went on my first of all, think administrators are worried about dollarsand they don't have any sense.
So that's where I'm going with that.
Well, but they're, they're also worried about quotas and, now more than anything is we'reworried about people's feelings.

(35:16):
Right?
Yeah.
Like we don't want to disrupt the Apple cart.
know, want to, status quo is just fine because status quo makes it so we don't have to doour jobs.
Right?
If you go to an administrator or a colleague, and so now we've developed these layers in,and it's just not healthcare.

(35:39):
You don't, we don't have to talk about healthcare.
It's in every society.
mean, look at what Elon's doing with the government.
I know.
tell me that that's not crazy and people are freaking out about it and I'm like that thatis not an unreasonable thing.
You have so many layers that you don't even know what you're doing.
No.
And that's what that's what's wrong with health care and that's what's wrong with like anycivilization that you look at you get layers and those layers disrupt the I mean they

(36:09):
create organization and they and they're great for a lot of things but if you get too manylayers
Like there's a graph out there and I don't know if you can see like on the video.
You have like they're out there.
can Google like administrators and doctors and the doctor's line goes like this, right?

(36:29):
Yeah, straight flat.
Yeah.
Well, the administrative line climbs like Mount Everest, you know, so you're hiring somany administrators.
Well.
We, I want to go into COVID just a little bit.
Okay.
I like it.
Because I have, me and you have talked about this too.

(36:50):
I actually, think it's more your, your wife and I talked more about this.
I tried to get her to come.
I've been fine.
I was like, you should come.
He's going to want to ask you questions.
Next time we will have her on here.
She'll definitely get sent.
She's on the watch list for her political views.
But here's the, here's my one problem.

(37:11):
And it's interesting how things are starting to come out about the COVID shot.
How things aren't so good about it.
you know, I mean, we all knew about the heart problems.
didn't do effective studies and quotas.
And yeah, like, yeah.
So I didn't have my shot.

(37:34):
But how come when I went and gave blood and they asked if I had a shot and I said no.
they were excited about having my blood.
Is that not terrifying?
That is terrifying to people.
You know who is terrifying too?
It's me knowing that some of my loved ones got the shot and what's going to happen to themand what other things are going to happen to them.

(38:02):
It's crazy to me.
That's one thing.
If anybody came on here and wanted to argue with me,
I'm not kidding you, I was giving blood.
And I started giving blood because of my mother used to have to have blood.
She had a few surgeries, this and that.
thought, yeah, that's the way to get back to the world.
My other problem was, and this is during the book.

(38:26):
I mean, this is on other podcasts, this is coming out, but when they didn't allow thedoctors that were in the field to try to help.
It's not curing COVID.
But when we got into the Ivo Maxxing with Joe Rogan and other people and they're sayingit's a horse medicine and everybody goes and says, no, it's not.

(38:49):
then- gaslighting.
Yeah, they were.
So that stopped true-
probably trying to find a way to help the people that had COVID or you know if somebodywould have got it to find a way to help alleviate their symptoms or whatever else because

(39:13):
there is no helping that is you wear a mask and you get the shot and nobody should do twoworst things you could ever do.
Yeah.
I mean it's crazy but I can't remember who came out with the study about COVID.
or long COVID.
So now there's this long COVID.
We can go into the dynamics of is it a real virus?

(39:34):
Is it not?
Is it man-made?
Whatever it is.
But in general, a virus is a virus, right?
And so I can't remember who it was.
I'll get it.
Maybe Merkel or one of those guys that have done the study about vitamin D being aneffective, reasonable treatment for COVID.

(39:57):
or wonk of it or sunlight, right?
So you just locked all the old people in the room and took away the one thing that theycould have got or put a mask over them.
they hyper oxygenate their tissues or hyper, you know, get hypoxia and wearing this stupidmask on the face, which has no benefit whatsoever.

(40:18):
And yeah.
And then you wonder.
And I think it's fascinating that you wonder why.
We don't have a good healthcare system.
Yes.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you one funny story though, about the mask and stuff, which isreally funny to me because I, in 2020, I drew my mountain goat tag in Little Sells and

(40:44):
Cindy and I went down Labor Day weekend to scout.
And we, we went up into Little Sells, up the tent and then never been to Moab.
So we went down into Moab.
and we were hungry so we went to this Mexican place in Moab.
we have to wear a mask, you know.

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And it's 100 degrees down there and it was like 70 something up on the mountain, you know.
And we're in my pickup.
So we go eat and I'm a spicy person, not hot.
know, give me onions, garlic, that kind of stuff, you know.
We walk out and I'm, then you have to put your mask on and walk outside.

(41:35):
So then we walked around a little bit and we got in and I can't breathe.
And so I can't breathe.
We get in there, my pickup and their conditioners on, it's a hundred degrees.
I wanted to go to the sporting goods store down the road.
I can't remember what its name was, but it doesn't matter.
And I'm sweating.
Like the air conditioner is blowing on me and I'm I'm going, and then I'm, I had the maskon so I wasn't feeling good.

(42:02):
Like it takes me, it took me a little while to get like fresh air.
Kind of thing.
And I said, Cindy, I don't know what's going on with me.
think, can you believe this?
I think I'm catching COVID now.
What happened was.
I couldn't breathe because of the mask and I accidentally turned my heat seat heaters onso I was sweating and had the air conditioner on.

(42:24):
So I never got sick when I was going, shit.
But I mean, I was funny at the time, but it's just like all this stuff and the fresh airand the sunshine helped so many people.
That's I'm going.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, why would you wear a mask outside?
That is this like.

(42:44):
I won't get started on this.
mean, it's, it's the things that we don't understand that worry me.
Yeah.
Right.
And this is, sorry, this is not my area of expertise at all, but I also have a thinkingbrain and it makes me nervous to why.

(43:15):
Like why were this way off topic, but why were we gaslighted and why did we, why did allthe experts get shut down?
And why did the common sense get thrown out the window?
And why did all the propaganda, the videos of the same emergency room every time on thenews on every channel?

(43:39):
like, well, you know, there's a lot of emergency rooms out there that maybe...
aren't like that.
Yeah.
You know, why are we asking ourselves and we should still be asking ourselves aboutmedicine of why, why are we as a industrial nation, the United States of America, why are

(44:04):
we the most unhealthy nation?
Why do we have the highest rates of diabetes, highest rates of cancer?
Like we're the top of the chart, but in the wrong way.
And why is that?
And I don't know.
I don't know where I was.
was a news article or what?
I can't remember what it was on, but, know, it's like Ozempic is not is made in.

(44:28):
Is it made in Scandinavia, Norway?
Maybe I can't remember where it's made, but they don't even allow you to prescribe it.
Why is that?
Well, well, all right.
All right.
We'll get we'll go there.
So Ozempic is.
is a trade name.
Well, I know that but it's health is a GP one or yeah, it's a which has been around forever forever and people people have used it forever in health which has a very it's a very

(44:57):
good indicator in a lot of ways.
In fact, Russia, know, if you look at the Russian studies on peptides and and all theselike insulin is a peptide.
Right.
So
Peptides exist.
There's a bunch of peptides out there that are used for medicine.
But, Ozympec found a way to patent a GLP-1 agonist into a delivery device that gives ametered dose amount to a person that is, can I say, overweight or whatever.

(45:34):
And so it's able to trick...
trick the body into doing the easy button like what we talked about before.
Yeah, it's an easy button.
It was easy button for a lot of people, but it's it helps a lot of people.
Well, I agree with it helps people, but I'm saying some people we live in America.
That's I love America.

(45:54):
It's the one thing, but some of us have become very lazy and I'm taking ozempic so I cango eat that five.
I can have that five hundred.
calorie drink.
I can eat that cake after I've drank that or whatever else.
I can have a 10,000 calories supper, we'll just say, with drinks and food and whatever.

(46:18):
But I'm taking ozepic and I'm going to stay in.
Well, but what?
You're exactly right.
But it goes deeper than that, I think.
Yeah.
It's I have eaten all that stuff.
Yeah.
And so now, like,
metabolically, it doesn't work.

(46:39):
So you've destroyed your physiology after years and years of not caring about what you door eat or say or think or breathe.
And then you think a shot is going to be beneficial.
what it what it's doing is trying to get your body back online.

(47:04):
Yeah.
In the easy button way.
But you know, why why can't like you could easily do it in in a lot of different ways.
Yes, you could.
And that's where and I I felt the best I've ever felt.
And I know I go back into the past, but when I am exercising like crazy, like when I wasclimbing the mountain, when you have I had goals and I'm

(47:32):
My body felt the best it ever felt is when you figure out that you need to exercise.
I mean, you're exercising and exercising and I know I push exercise and that's kind of thedon't die rusty thing, but it's also good for your mind.
I mean, I'm talking, I was feeling 100 % better with my mind and body and I felt crappy ifI didn't go do it.

(47:58):
It's like, know, it's funny how you could
I could've, I just felt like better and I think that we grew up, it's different peoplehave different thoughts about how they wanna live their life and I wanna live my life so I
can keep doing what I wanna do for the rest of my life.

(48:19):
Like we were talking earlier, I don't wanna exist.
For the longest period of time.
Exactly.
You wanna do what you enjoy doing.
And so.
whatever, whatever that looks like for you.
And some people, some people want to be active, but when you talk about health, right?
The musculoskeletal system is the largest, you know, physiologic structure in the body.

(48:41):
as you move that, and as you do that, your muscles are creating a space in your physiologyto help in your digestion or help in your mental aspect.
Right?
So they like, it's a, it's a very,
intricate system that works in just not one way.

(49:03):
Like you can't just go run and then think you can eat a garbage or drink a monster energythat's full of chemicals that then have side effects that then make it so that muscle
detox is going to be harder.
mean, that's crazy, the system.

(49:26):
It goes to where the belief in what people think is what they think is good for them andwhat they don't understand.
that's, you know, I just did that episode about me being funky and feeling funky.
And I was using things as an excuse and I became lazy.
And then I started realizing, you know, you're just giving yourself excuses because it'sbelow zero outside.

(49:52):
And I mean, I was still
trying to exercise but I wasn't going as far doing as much as I should and I just givemyself an excuse because I gotta go push snow at work or I have to go do this or I have to
go do that and about I'd say about a month ago I said you're told myself we're talkingabout talking to ourselves but I said you're a dumbass and you need to start I wasn't

(50:18):
reading as much as I was I was just becoming lazy and I
It was just, you know, we went to Alaska to see Cindy's son and I just was kind of gotinto a funk then because it was dark and gloomy and we were in Alaska in the winter, you

(50:38):
know, and it just kind of affected me.
Like I felt like I got back and knew the sun and I was feeling better.
And I'm starting to get mentally back because that fresh air in the morning.
get up.
I I wasn't disciplined in myself.
Get up at 430 and go do the stupid talks.
He He was talking about it all the time.
He was talking about that first light.

(51:00):
I know.
Get the sunlight in your eyes and whatever that is and and fresh air and there's you know,in our world, we live in a simple like simple task of what I refer to grounding or or
whatever.
Yeah.
Just being a part of nature is not so bad.
You live in a cement city.
with electric lights and noise and 5G internet and vibrations and wavelengths.

(51:26):
And you think to yourself, well, does this, do you think this would have an effect on myhealth?
Of course it does.
I mean, to people that don't think it does are crazy.
I mean, I think they are because I'm like, like EMF.
For example, that one topic we could dive down into, we probably shouldn't.
But, you know, 5G network, all that stuff, like those are wavelengths that pass rightthrough you.

(51:52):
Well, guess what else is a wavelength?
A microwave.
Well, what's the difference?
Levels, right?
But if you expose yourself to toxic levels of whatever it is, sound, noise, pollution, badthoughts, environment.
Well, that's funny because I'm reading, I don't know if you saw that book that I'mreading, which is really funny because the it's hardwired happiness is what it's called.

(52:20):
And it's by Rick Hansen.
Not me.
But it's by Dr.
Rick Hansen.
But he was saying like, you're right.
Cause the negative thoughts, if I, like, if you have that positive thought for 10 seconds,even you say,
You will start imprinting in you and you'll start, but you can't just glimpse at it andsay, had a good moment because you'll never remember it.

(52:46):
But when you do something like that was like 10 seconds, I'm just using 10 seconds as a,but if you do something that's imprinted in you, then you're going to remember it.
And that's kind of, I posted that today.
Like you can say that's a beautiful view and you looked at it, you glimpsed at it, but didyou see it?

(53:07):
If you look at that view for 10 seconds, you're going to remember it more than if I justglimpsed at it and said, oh, that was a...
Or look at it and take a picture with your phone.
Yeah.
And post it like, why?
This is my favorite.
While you're looking at the view, you take a picture and then you're posting it on socialmedia.
Like, what is that?
That doesn't make sense.

(53:28):
No.
But you want to tell everybody else you saw the beautiful view instead of just looking atit yourself.
Yeah.
And that's...
And I have to admit, I mean, I take the pictures, but I'm looking at the view.
don't post.
I'll take a picture and then I'll just sit there and watch it.
And I'll sit there for.
Till the sun goes way up in the sky and I'll just go, this was awesome.

(53:51):
This was a great day because I'm breathing in that cooler.
I I'm missing Crow Peak at the moment because of the snow.
I haven't been climbing up there, but it's it's one of those deals that you.
that fresh air, just knowing that the energy that comes within that stuff, and that'swhere we're getting, that's the root of us being healthy.

(54:16):
What we eat in our stomach goes to our brain.
What we eat in our stomach goes to our body's muscles.
So when I was talking about functional medicine, that's where I'm starting to get at andjust start delving in deeper.
for myself.
But here's my problem too is I like to be independent.

(54:39):
I like to look at my like Cindy will tell me things, but she's sending me now she'ssending me more.
My podcasts that I would probably be interested in.
We're talking about, you know, we're talking about TRT testosterone replacement therapykind of stuff.

(55:01):
I'm listening to some of those where I'm listening to
You know, it's interesting how I can't remember.
was listening to which one, they said our testosterone has been going down.
Like your grandpa's testosterone is higher than your dad's and the yours is lower.
It was interesting to listen to that episode of the podcast because, know, I'm learningmore and more.

(55:28):
This is why I like talking to you because I feel I've become smarter.
You might get dumber talking to me, but I feel like it's smarter.
But we have a good conversation.
I wish I was better with research and numbers and names.
me too.
But I think, know, like, what is his name?
But the guy in Heberman that was there maybe a month or so back with the amygdala, whichis hard, we're just saying.

(55:52):
But there's some MRI evidence of
Benefit when you do hard things.
Mm-hmm, right?
mean, it's not that simple It's not that hard to understand like everybody's everybody'sbeen through it.
Mm-hmm like you watch kids go through it.
Mm-hmm Do a hard thing do something like flying crow peak a hundred times.

(56:15):
Yeah a hundred days in a row Well, actually I have a book up here that says do hard thingsright there, but I'm Steve Magnus Magnus.
Oh, yeah
Yeah, but I mean now we're now you know goes back to that curiosity thing in a wayresearch.
Yeah, which is so fascinating that you know, they're curious I'm saying, you know, what isthis that makes a difference and doing hard things Makes a difference it does it makes a

(56:42):
difference in your in your health in your in your happiness in in your brain It changesyour brain and there's now there is data and evidence
from a guy whose name I can't remember.
But it's there and it just goes to show like, just don't die rusty.
Like that might be a saying and I enjoy it.

(57:04):
But it's also a way of life that makes us better.
Whatever that way of life it is, you can't just exist in life.
A lot of people think that that's happiness.
If you don't have sadness, you don't know what happiness feels like.

(57:24):
If you don't have sickness, you don't know what health feels like.
Exactly.
Right?
And a lot of people nowadays, they don't even know what it's like to feel healthy.
They have no idea.
And I don't understand.
That is the hardest thing for me to understand too, because I'm striving to be thehealthiest I can be to do the best I can.

(57:47):
I don't like we were talking.
I just don't want to exist.
want to be able to.
I saw, I did see a video of like, I think it was a some years old jumped off.
They were quick jumping and he jumped off the cliff.
That's where I'm not afraid to jump it off the cliff as long as I'm not going to break mylegs at the bottom.

(58:09):
But I'm doing it.
We're trying to get our website going and I got to write a blog and the first blog isabout don't die rusty.
I keep on trying to think of how I want to say that, but don't die rusty to me isn't justthree words.
It's a way of life and depends how you, everybody has their own meaning what we could sayif I don't die rusty, but like I'm learning from you and I'm reading.

(58:39):
mean, I've been reading, I've been curious all my life.
So I want to read.
I don't understand something.
Like I said, I read Dante's Inferno because I couldn't remember the Seven Deadly Sins.
I didn't know about the Seven Deadly Sins, but did it bore me?
Yes.
Did I learn something?
Yes.
When you start learning about yourself, the problem with, I think the problem with a lotof people when you're talking, not looking within yourself or not talking to yourself is

(59:08):
too many people these days are not
being introspective.
They don't want to look within themselves and find their own faults within themselves.
It's hard.
It is hard.
It's hard.
What do you do with it when you find it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then you got to change.
Then you got to do something hard and you got to and that that's like the same thing withhealth care.

(59:30):
Yeah.
No, you don't want to find you don't want to find what's wrong with health care becauseyou don't have to fix it.
Do you think Trump yesterday, I think it was yesterday, signed that transparency inmedical
I don't know.
you think people will start looking at that a little looking at their bill a little bitmore or is it the insurance agents you know what I mean it was just yesterday he signed an

(59:55):
executive order about medical billing transparency.
I was talking to Cindy about it actually.
That's interesting I haven't heard you.
He did surgery day yesterday so I didn't hear about it.
Yeah but he signed it yesterday I think too.
So you would have heard about it.
He's shaking things up.
He is shaking things up.
I mean it's uh it's gonna be interesting.

(01:00:16):
It'll be really interesting with RFK.
I'm excited about him in the aspect of getting the truths out there.
I mean I don't know if you've listened to RFK when he talked to Megan Kelly because Meganwasn't Megan wasn't easy on him.
She doesn't like him very
He did say, you know, he didn't like some of the aluminum's in the vaccines.

(01:00:40):
Why would we be shooting ourselves with some of the stuff?
um, I'm excited to see what he does.
You know, our 30 came up.
It's funny.
Our 30 is now going to be out of our food supply.
But, but, but that's a real question that, that you have, like I asked, I'm like, I mean,when I like, you know, I find it funny.

(01:01:06):
Um, cause my kids think I'm nuts, but we, we had a big road trip this past weekend.
Um, my son's racing ski racer.
So driving all the way out into Montana and, uh, it was late at night and I'm like, man, Ineed, I need like a snack.
I typically eat pretty good, but I'm like, I'm on a road trip.
Yeah.

(01:01:27):
It's late at night.
It's dark.
I'm like, I need some, I need some sugar.
This is a long story for one so slow, stupid point.
Red 40.
I could not find anything in that gas station that did not have red 40 in it, which is acarcinogen, which no country other than the United States allows in their food.

(01:01:48):
And they make the same food in other countries without it.
And then you ask yourself, what?
Like, do people know that?
So if you go get the same, like, I don't know, my wife is much better at the, she'll laughat me.
Like we talked about this, like.
the food, all they do is take that dye out and replace it with something else and make itin another country.

(01:02:11):
in the United States, we don't.
And there's no correlation between the unhealthiest country and the regulations on thegovernment and the pharma and the bills.
We're paying people to make decisions.
So money is talking for us.
Because why else?

(01:02:32):
If we know that it's not good for us, if we know it's a cancer causing agent, and yet weare still eating it and putting it in our food system, why?
Yeah.
It's not that hard to ask why.
If you can make it without it, why are you putting it in?
And the question that I have and the scariest thing that I think about all day, every dayis why?

(01:02:54):
Like, are we trying, not we, but as a
What I mean we can get into dimensions.
Yeah Illuminati and all but you have to think about it.
Why is why is it happening?
And we just we just slowly just Unhealthy and making two trillion dollars on health care.

(01:03:19):
I don't know what the number is near but does that does that Seem funny to anyone that'slistening to this podcast like are do they want us to be unhealthy?
Well, and that's a question I've been asking.
I've been lucky and it's funny that I say I have a hippie as well.
So, but I mean, you see the animals here and I'm lucky that I'm going to go.

(01:03:45):
Probably 90 % if not 85 to 90 % of the meat we eat is something I've shot is a wild meat.
That's pretty good.
And then you go.
So I'm the hunter and my wife's a gatherer and she has her garden.
And I wasn't a very big, like I eat, I love broccoli, I love cauliflower, I love, and wehad Brussels sprouts last night and potatoes and this and that.

(01:04:17):
I'm eating more whole foods than I've ever ate probably.
I've gotten simple things out of my life because I think when you're young, I mean, Inever grew up.
to be not, but I was doing the simple stuff like, because it's quick and easy, but becauseit's the easy button and that's the problem.

(01:04:39):
But now eating more of the whole food stuff because Cindy and I have talked about this.
I do feel that I'm getting mentally better.
I felt that I was probably losing a little and I'm doing
magic find and I have some other stuff but I'm I feel that I'm healthier in that aspect.

(01:05:05):
I'm trying to get I'm down about five pounds now because I realize I don't I want to takea little weight off these joints and I'm I understand that I just I don't know what it is
maybe I'm what lol I went into but I'm not gonna let myself get there again.

(01:05:26):
saying that now, but luckily we're putting it on the phone line.
Here's a question.
Sorry, sorry.
People aren't really interested in this, but I'm curious.
Yeah.
When did you change your diet?
I changed it probably...
Probably three months ago.

(01:05:49):
this is a fascinating, just anecdotally, but you're in this funk, right?
Does it correlate with your change in diet?
Well, it could have too.
So there's addiction and there's dependence.
perhaps some of that could be your body trying to fight that.

(01:06:16):
diet because you're cleansing, right?
You're detoxing.
And so that sometimes that funk makes a difference.
Just food for thought.
No, I mean, I think I noticed that like, you know, in like, for example, kids and caffeineand sugar and all that stuff has been linked to behavior changes for sure.

(01:06:40):
We know that.
then truly.
And then it's quite interesting that you're saying that now that I think about that stuff,because I believe what you're saying.
And it's funny.
One of my friends just put that up.
if you're having a bad day, don't go, it's sober cowboy.
name's Lacey Singleton.
And I'll be doing another episode with her sometime too.
But she said, if you're having a bad day, there's no need to go back to the thing you wereaddicted to because you're just having a bad day.

(01:07:07):
And that thing you're addicted to drugs, alcohol, doesn't matter.
It's not going to help your day out.
Right.
So don't let a bad day help you relapse.
And what you're saying to me, I see, can look introspectively because I know that I'm not,I can, when we're finished this conversation, I'm going to say, keep changing your dreams,

(01:07:29):
be the best you.
I'm not being the best me.
When I was doing that, I'm learning how to be the best me every day.
And you're right.
Cause I'm trying to get to the roots of my problems.
And like, because I would come home and I was having an easy meal at lunchtime.

(01:07:51):
Throw it in the microwave.
I'm just saying like it was a lot of processed food probably that I probably just saidit's simple.
I'll make up for some other time.
I'm still active enough.
Like we were talking earlier.
It's not that way.
I'm turning 57.
I'm at 20 anymore.
I can't.

(01:08:11):
drink Mountain Dews and eat Cheetos and know that I'm gonna be able to keep on moving.
But the system.
Yeah.
This is is the fascinating but the system has programmed you into thinking that you needto eat lunch.
Yeah.
Or thinking that you need to nourish yourself.

(01:08:31):
What evidence do we have of that?
Because I've argued what evidence is like a food pyramid.
boy, we could really I hear you that constructed food pyramid from the commercial aspectof everything.
Come on.
That thing is garbage.
Yes.
Then you think three meals a day.

(01:08:52):
Well, who said we had any three meals a day?
Who said we have to eat midday and who said we have to have dinner?
And who said like, who is making these rules?
And that's that we follow every day, not knowing if this is going to make us feel betteror not feel better.

(01:09:13):
Like, you never know.
Like you may have been hungry at lunch, but that's that's OK to be hungry.
Like, would you have been better off just not to eat?
Well, and that you're right there.
And now I come home and I might have a salad.
But I don't, I've argued this point.

(01:09:35):
This is funny because I've argued this point because I, it bothers me when people thatthey say they need to eat at different places.
Like, and I'm going, let me see.
We'll go back a thousand years, a hundred years.
There were still humans, there were humans here.

(01:09:58):
Didn't get to eat three meals a day exactly including a food pyramid and including like aprotein late at night That's where I'm going look at our look at our Indian tribes look at
our tribes and Anywhere in America or anywhere that's native will say do they eat?

(01:10:19):
Morning noon and night.
No they eat when they have the chance to eat the food It's so funny.
I'll this funny funny story
And if my brother, I'll have to my brother listen to this podcast.
He calls me last night.
He's like, he's been having some health issues and stuff like that.
and I say, well, have you ever done on pro long fan?

(01:10:42):
It's crazy.
I would never do that.
And I'm like, well, you're just asking me how to feel better.
Like there's a lot of evidence.
And I mean, I don't have to get into that, but 72 hour fast.
Like how many people have ever tried a 72 hour fast?
I don't know.
I've done a 24, but I've never done a 72.
It's hard, So he calls me at 24 hours.

(01:11:03):
I'm like, dude, just you gotta get through.
It is the, it's the program.
It's the, it's the satiety.
It's all the
It's the stuff that the 48 hours.
haven't had a chance to call call him yet today.
I'm like, dude, just make it one.
Like you just have to make it to 36 hours because I've done a few.
And I'm like, it's the worst at 24 hours because the mental aspects of like the securityof food and like we have the deep programming of like you'd be surprised at what the level

(01:11:37):
that is of being
hungry, know everyone's hungry, you know when your kids are hungry, you're always feedingyour kids, you're always doing all that stuff.
But do like the prolonged fast, the 72 hours has so many health benefits, it resets yoursystem, it resets your microbiome, your gut, it cleanses your system, it activates

(01:12:00):
macrophages, which clean out all the bad cells in your system, which is so beneficial.
like.
simple thing.
Don't be curious to see see if he made it 36 hours.
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
But it's hard.
Well, it would be hard.
mean, I've done 24 hours for a reset.
That's just in my own head.

(01:12:20):
And people can't believe you'd even do 24 hours.
can't.
A 72 hour one would be tough.
But I understand the reset.
Those are things that I see the curiosity is I am, you know,
But people won't do it because it's not comfortable.
I mean, sorry, I have to say this.

(01:12:42):
Consult your physician.
I may not experience it.
But I don't know of any, if you didn't eat for 72 hours, you could drink water becausethat could create some problem.
But if you're not in good enough shape to not eat for 72 hours, then you're a liability.

(01:13:05):
Well, definitely.
Because when our food system dries up and you can't go more than 24 hours without eating,that's going to be hard to do.
And yeah, and I've done it for two things.
And it's interesting.
mean, I do an infrared sauna too.
I've done that.
prefer I now that I've been in your sauna, the dry heat sauna.

(01:13:31):
I love that.
Yeah.
But I do an infrared sauna and then I do my 24 hours when I try to reset because I figureI'm sweating stuff.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I try to sweat stuff out.
And then I just, it's here because I think.
I, it shrinks my stomach.
So I'm not as hungry when I'm done with it too.

(01:13:53):
So I really don't need that much.
How much food do we need to eat?
You know, we don't need to eat.
all the bowl, the big bowl of, mean, of anything.
I mean, it's just one of those things.
I've, I like that reset.
I've done it myself and people think I've said, what are you doing?

(01:14:14):
Nobody's told me to do it.
I've read a little bit.
I want to reset.
I've never done a 72.
You're getting me thinking here.
You get me curious.
Yeah, I you could do like, I've never made it the 96 hours just because, I mean, if you'redoing something, you have to limit your activities, right?
Yeah.
You can't hike, you can't run, you can't do things.

(01:14:36):
And so for me, I've never, like, for me to see,
you know, not doing anything for four days is really, really tough.
That would be tough.
Yeah, for me, but I mean, I think it's there's benefit in everything you do, whether youdon't sweat it out in the sauna, jumping in an ice bath, you know, it's, it's all about
doing the hard things.

(01:14:56):
It is.
And it's doing the hard things.
So that's where we get to learning how to breathe.
Cause when you jump in that cold bath,
and you have to learn how to breathe for three minutes.
because I mean, I surprised you that first time I got in there.

(01:15:20):
think it was you.
You're in there and Jesse and I were sitting there chatting or whatever.
And I was supposed to tell you when three minutes were up.
was like, oh, man, Rick, it's you know, I think you were in there like four and a half.
Yeah.
And so.
I mean, but you know, you're in there and you know, that's what I get out of it.

(01:15:42):
Stuff like exercise.
Now I got all this fancy exercise equipment that I do.
I try to time back my life and do all that stuff, but it's hard, you know, to this andgetting in the sauna and getting the knives by this hard.
so like to do I like doing a hard thing.
It feels good.
And like I accomplish something.

(01:16:03):
And that's why I like like in the summer, you know, you knew I was going in the creek and
going up to my neck and that to me that was the best thing come on a hot day for surebecause I felt like inflammation certainly left my body and I count to 60 or somebody
would be in there and I'd listen to two songs on because they were down by the creek andsay, yeah, that's a long enough for me but that's that is that saying ice bath the

(01:16:35):
What else was I going to get into now?
And just one more little thing, but I can't remember what it is now.
But I mean, well, I think, you know,
I what I would tell somebody, you know, I'm an orthopedic surgeon, right?
I mean, you take it for what it is, but you know, I'm really good.

(01:16:59):
I love doing surgery and all that stuff, but you know, my passion is this overall health,functional medicine, whatever you want to call it.
And there's so many modalities out there.
So many, like you could do red lights, you could do breathing, you can do fasting.
We can spend hours and there's
thousands of podcasts that talk about it.
But the key is finding what works for you.

(01:17:23):
And that's what people, I don't know.
Well, I just pointing at, people ask me what shoes do you wear?
see, you might not like Salomon's, but I love Salomon's.
You can see that is what I'm saying.
what works for you.
What works for me, I love Sana, I Iceberg.
That's non-negotiable for me.
That's what I do.
And I found an exercise routine that works.
What I haven't found is a way to limit my stress and all that stuff, but I'm working on itYou know it is what it is, but you need to find whether it's red light whether it's a

(01:17:51):
supplement There's thousands of supplements out there NAD Methylene blue like I mean I youcould go on and on stem regen is the new one you know and there's a hundred different
companies that are trying to sell you this or that the other similar to all the companiesthat are trying to sell you food and
nutrition and now you have organic labels on your food.

(01:18:14):
Well, find out what works for you.
Find out what it's like to feel healthy.
Find out what it's like to not have any pain anymore.
Like, well, you know, maybe if I exercise and shed some weight and do some things, thenthat won't hurt.
Or maybe if I don't eat tomatoes, you know, like try to figure that out.

(01:18:36):
yeah.
You know, and that's where
I like, cause we have this conversation, Cindy and I have a conversation, Jesse and I havea conversation, Ashley and I, or whoever else has this conversation of what works for us.
And that's why it's pointing to the Solomon's because some people say, can you hunt?

(01:19:00):
Can people ask me what I hunt with?
Like what clothes, what bows, what this, what that, and I always say, this is what I huntwith, but it's not.
I'm not going to say that you should hunt with this stuff because this is what makes mesuccessful, but you might like something different.
How did you get there?

(01:19:21):
Yeah, you had to learn.
had to learn and you had to be curious.
I out different things.
You don't just pull a weight back and no bow bag.
That's the best boy.
No, you shoot different bows.
You try different supplements.
You try different exercise routines.
You don't just listen to one person.
I'm just one guy.
Well, are but like I said, you're the my you're the my most trusted doctor and I'll keepon coming to you and then like you like I said, I'm lucky to call you a friend and I know

(01:19:49):
it's getting late here.
It's 1020.
I see it's funny but I know it's a friend of mine.
If I go over there, I'll just keep talking about the theories and some our corruptedhealthcare system.
No, but I appreciate you know, had me out to your home and to your studio.
It's just fun.
It's fun to talk to you.
I love talking about this stuff and I'm glad you're out of your funk and I think, youknow, I'm glad that you're curious and I'm glad you're doing this podcast because I think

(01:20:17):
it's neat.
I always love being on it.
Well, I love having you as guests anytime I can get you on.
So in your busy person and yeah, but you'll be on a few more times I hope.
Anytime, anytime.
Like I said, I learned so much from these conversations that it makes me feel good.

(01:20:39):
Like now I'll probably, even though it's going to be close to 10, 30 here, I'll probablynot be able to go to sleep because I'll have all these things in head.
But luckily it's not recorded.
hope your audience gets, sometimes I can be little scattered and I hope your audience getssomething out of it.
But yeah, I will put in a little plug for my, if you don't mind.

(01:20:59):
Do it and then I got, know, anyone who's in South Dakota.
and I need functional medicine, help, regenerative medicine, orthopedics, whatever.
I'm kind of doing it and maybe Rick will put up a little post to my website.
You'll have to send me some of that.
Yeah, you can find me on just drragenson.com, super simple.

(01:21:24):
I got a nice surf picture on me.
On the front page, I'll tell like I had it.
I had some other guy on the page for like two months.
Everyone kept asking me if it was me and I was like, no, no.
I was like, I might as well put a picture of myself up there.
Hopefully that's not too Eric.
No.
So I'd like to put pictures of my adventures on there and I just, I like, I like life andI love being adventurous and you know, my goal is not to die rusty.

(01:21:52):
Well, I like hearing that and that's why I like having you on and that's why I trust youbecause we have roughly the similar.
We want to live, not just exist, and we don't want to die rusty.
So, and I get to, like I said, I am so lucky to have these conversations with you and Iwant to have more.
I thought, you know what, we talked about it the last time and we've been here and thereand here's my problem.

(01:22:16):
I see that you're at all these ski races.
I'm thinking, I'm not going to bother him because he's getting back late or he's doingthis and that.
And then he has his work to do.
And I thought, you know what?
If you don't text him, you aren't going to, so text him and send.
I'm happy.
I'm happy to do it.
I think it's good for me because it's good to be introspective and it's good to realizethat, you know, I do, I have a good life.

(01:22:42):
I love what I do.
I'm healthy.
You know, I'm headed to Canada.
I'm skiing all next week and doing some adventures with my son and I can and I've beenblessed with the ability to.
not only do it, but afford it.
I think it's always nice to be retrospective.

(01:23:03):
And I love sharing my knowledge, and I'm not that smart.
You're smart.
I mean, I can process, you know, I have a lot of ideas and I'm curious.
And you're never scattered.
You want to talk about scattered.
People have conversations with me.
Now they say, what is Rick talking about?
you what I mean?

(01:23:24):
I gotta start to focus.
I can't get distracted with the conspiracy theories and the third and fourth dimension,the aliens and the Anunnaki.
So I gotta really focus on the health stuff.
You know, and that's good.
And I hope you, I mean, like I said, I know that everybody that I've talked to enjoy ourconversations.

(01:23:48):
You're one of the people that people like to hear.
It's actually been way too long.
We should have you on a little bit more, but these conversations help me out.
I'll tell you.
Good.
That's what I do.
And I don't care about if our listeners care about it or not.
We've had this conversation, so it doesn't matter.
Well, you know, you just keep living and just doing, I think you just do the best you can.

(01:24:12):
And yeah, it'll all work out.
All right.
Well, I'm going to let you go here.
So.
Don't die rusty, nation.
As always, keep chasing your dreams, being the best you, and of course, don't die rusty.

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