April 1, 2025 • 55 mins
In this engaging conversation, Rick Hanson and Lacey Singleton discuss the mission of Sober Cowboy, an organization dedicated to helping individuals in the Western industry avoid and recover from addiction. Lacey shares her personal experiences with addiction, the importance of community support, and the impact of family relationships on recovery.
They also talk about upcoming fundraising events, the power of storytelling, and the significance of personal connections in fostering change and healing. In this conversation, Rick Hanson and Lacey discuss their personal journeys with sobriety, the impact of alcohol on relationships, and the importance of finding fulfillment beyond substances.
They reflect on the significance of community support, self-discovery, and the challenges of balancing life responsibilities. The discussion also touches on the inspiration drawn from cowboy culture and faith, emphasizing the need for personal growth and making the right choices in life.
You can find Lacey on Instagram @officialsobercowboy
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Takeaways
- Lacey Singleton is the founder of Sober Cowboy, helping those in the Western industry with addiction.
- Building community and friendships is crucial for recovery from addiction.
- Personal stories of addiction can provide hope and inspiration for others.
- Family relationships play a significant role in the impact of addiction.
- Upcoming events like the extreme rough stock rodeo aim to raise funds for Sober Cowboy.
- Connecting people in need with resources can lead to life-changing outcomes.
- The importance of sharing personal stories to encourage others to open up.
- Surrounding oneself with good people can lead to positive changes in life.
- Reflections on personal growth and aspirations are vital for mental health.
- Community and shared experiences are essential for healing and recovery. Sobriety can lead to deeper connections and personal growth.
- It's important to reflect on the role of alcohol in our lives.
- Finding fulfillment comes from experiences, not substances.
- Community support plays a
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Episode Transcript
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Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
We are so lucky to have returning guest, Lacey Singleton of Official Sober Cowboy.
She is just one of those, she's energetic.
I don't think she has any quitter in her.
(00:22):
I think if you get, Jesus.
It's all right.
Well, I've made you do it three times now, so.
luckily when I do my little ones by myself, I can just say, okay.
All right.
Hello, don't die rusty nation.
(00:44):
We are lucky enough tonight to have Lacey Singleton of official sober cowboy with usagain.
She is a wonderful person and she has a wonderful organization that I
I think everybody should at least take a look at and if not help her out.
She has events going on.
supports all kinds of things Western or she can correct me on this stuff too.
(01:12):
but you know what?
Lacey has been busy and she has a lot of things going on.
But first of all, I want to have her tell you a little bit about official sober cowboy.
If you do not know what she does.
So.
Good evening, Lacey.
Thank you so much for having me back and to be with the don't die rusty nation and I'mjust honored to be friends with you and be a part of all this.
(01:37):
So thank you guys for having me and listening and yeah, to tell a little bit about sobercowboy.
I'm the founder and we launched a year ago in January.
So we're a little over a year right now, but our mission is to help Cowboys, rodeoathletes in the Western industry to avoid and recover from addiction.
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So we do a lot of work building communities and friendships and I don't like to call themsponsors, but we've got some leaders and stuff like that that step in and help the new
guys.
And we've really just built something awesome that guys and gals that are in the Westernindustry can feel comfortable to come to when they are struggling with addiction.
So that's the goal and that's what we've been working on and doing.
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Well, I've been, you know, you are, you are amazing.
And I don't say that lightly because here's the deal.
You have given me three guests that you, one of them, you don't even know that you gave memy, now you don't do, but you, you helped me get ahold of Cody Custer and we did an
(02:45):
interview with Cody and I drove out to here in South Dakota.
And I was waiting for Cody and then Jerry Norton, world champion bullfighter happened tobe there at the same time.
And Cody says, Hey, do you mind if Jerry comes and has supper with us?
then if you would have seen that, how that episode was made is the most amazing thing oftwo Cowboys finding an empty.
(03:13):
room and we just and had the podcast.
was funny.
It was fun anyway.
And then everything that went on.
But I thank you for that one.
And then we talked to Joe Wernst too.
And that was a great episode too.
And I learned a lot and we talked about a lot of things.
Yeah.
Joe's got a lot of fun stuff going on.
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I'm super excited to see what he's going to do in his career coming up.
And, he had a big move away from me to Texas.
And so now I've got too many friends in Texas, I think, and have to be down there all thetime to see all my friends and do all the work.
So, but yeah, they're both great guys there.
(03:54):
I don't know Jerry, but of course, Cody and I.
became friends last year in June at Battleborn Bronx.
then, Joe and I, Joe reached out to silver cowboy.
was one of the first, first guys when I launched the Instagram to message and say, this isreally cool.
We need this in the Western industry.
(04:14):
And he said he'd been sober for however many years, which I know he's, he's way down theline on that.
But, so it's just been really cool.
The relationships that have formed throughout the last year and both of those being.
You know, a couple of them.
then like that, I was able to pass them onto you.
Cause I know they both do have cool stories and, to get to talk to a world champion ispretty dang cool regardless.
(04:40):
yeah, they're both great guys.
And that that's the kind of stuff that's happened over the last year that just like is soamazing and so many blessings and friendships that have come out of just this idea that I
had, you know, and I know that you feel the same about.
Don't die rusty and all the conversations that come from it.
And that's the whole point of don't die rusty is to have those, interesting conversationsand hear people's stories.
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But it's really cool to see how people open up when you just allow them that little bit ofspace to do so.
And those are the friendships that remain, you know,
And it is, and you know what?
It is so nice to get a text from you or a call from you or whatever out of the blue.
It's amazing how certain people, these friendships start, keep, growing.
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And I'm lucky in that aspect.
And, and I want to tell the people out there, Lacey has a podcast she puts out here andthere.
And I want to say,
I just listened to the Jason Taylor one.
Yeah, that was the last one we did.
So I think that one posted a week or two ago.
(05:51):
Yes, it did.
And I think they need to listen to our episode of when we did you the first time, we didthe episode with you the first time, because I'm listening to it.
And I'm going, when he started talking about meth, having two daughters, wife, all thatstuff.
And I'm thinking, I can't wait to hear Lacey's perspective of being the daughter.
(06:17):
Mm-hmm.
because you need to listen to the episode, but Lacey's been in the situation somewhatbefore.
And so my question to you is, when you did this episode, how did you feel?
it's really interesting.
That was the second conversation that I had had that in, in that form.
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And I'm going to get into more of what I mean by that form.
But the first one was with Tyler event and he is with wild courage, which is another,organization and podcast that you should check out if, you haven't don't die rusty nation
because it's really wonderful, especially, especially the men and the wives.
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The men that are struggling with addiction or any kind of trauma or mental health, butthen the wives too, that are dealing with the husbands and, or whatever their own
struggles.
so Tyler, I didn't have the podcast running yet.
The sober cowboy podcast when we did Tyler's sober cowboy story.
So it's kind of in a different form, but it can be found on our website under the sobercowboy stories.
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he also was a meth user and, he just had.
the one baby, which they still just have the one baby now, but, at the time.
so to talk to him, was like talking to my dad almost, you know?
And so when I say this, I don't want to say this and sound, I don't want to soundinsensitive when I say this, but I love talking to the guys that were addicted to meth
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because it's so close to home for me because my dad, struggled with.
addiction and still does.
He's an addict, has used meth on and off most of my life and more on and off.
So, I've definitely experienced that side of addiction as well.
And I think that that one is honestly harder because before I understood what thataddiction was personally, it's like, it's like you're losing somebody.
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It's like a death, like you have to.
It's not that person anymore.
Like that's not my dad when he's high.
and I know that Tyler's wife and, other loved ones in their lives, you know, Jason's wifeas well, probably feel the same way.
Like that's not my husband.
That's not the father of my kids.
That's not who I married.
It's a completely different person.
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So, to see those guys come out of something like that, that is so hard to recover from isjust like, it gives me so much hope.
And I'm so proud of.
both of them and then anybody else that has done it because it's not an easy walk.
That's for sure.
With something like that.
I mean, no addiction is, but I just, I don't know, for some reason I've seen what meth cando to a family and to a person.
(09:05):
And it's so intense and it takes over every single, every single part of your life andit's devastating.
And so to see them come out of it is just with their lives and their families still, andstill have.
They haven't lost anything.
Thank God, God willing, you know, that grace was placed upon them and it's just amazing tosee that recovery.
(09:30):
So yeah, to talk to Jason and, and hear that from his point of view, obviously I've heardit from my dad and, his story, my dad's is up on sober cowboy stories as well on
sobercowboy.org, but, and he someday we'll do a silver cowboy.
podcast with my dad, but it's going to be a while because he unfortunately didn't make itout of that situation.
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Like the, gracefully as the other guys did and he's serving time now.
So he hand wrote me, I think it was 11 pages front and back or 16 pages, something likethat, something crazy of his whole story.
And so he goes into, you know, his addiction and he still, was two years ago, a year and ahalf ago that he wrote that for me.
And so he's still very fresh in recovery and honestly, prison is a weird thing.
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And there's a lot of weird things that go on in there that I think feed the addict becauseit's a bunch of addicts locked in a place together and they just don't, they don't know
how to adjust and adapt to what recovery actually looks like in the outside world.
So that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother conversation in itself.
(10:40):
But, you know, to watch.
to witness and get to see these guys that have come out on the other side.
gives me hope and should give those struggling or those that are a family member or aloved one of somebody that's struggling, should give them so much hope because it's not
easy to do, but it can be done.
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Well, it's when I was listening to Jason's and I kind of understood some, I mean, some ofhis thoughts, because everybody talks about a love language and I could, and this isn't,
you know, it's funny that you're talking about meth and a love language in the samesentence, but I think.
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You know, he told about how he grew up and he was a worker and that's what he was.
And I think that's how he showed that he loved the people around him because he justworked as, and he needed that math to keep on moving.
Especially like at the sale barn and other things.
but, but, know, mean that, that, and I was thinking, you know, to, understand what he wentthrough.
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And I don't want to say, I don't want to say too much about this because it startedhitting me about a quarter of the way through.
And, so if you get a chance, go listen to this episode because it's, it's pretty, it hitsyour heart.
(12:17):
It did.
Yeah.
He's amazing.
And obviously his faith and the grace that he holds within himself and shares with othersas a recovering addict is something to be admired.
And it's not, he would say it's not him and it's not like Jesus works through people andhe's definitely working through that guy.
(12:37):
And, it, yeah, it was amazing.
He, he's something else.
And I listened, then of course I listened to his church.
Cause they live stream it on Sunday.
And I'm like, he's also just an entertainer.
So he's hilarious.
And you wouldn't even expect him to be a pastor because he's just so raw and real and likethat he cusses a little bit.
(12:58):
And, he's very, you know, deep Southern Texas and he's just funny, but yeah, it was, itwas, this is a great conversation, very eyeopening and, and like that to then compare it
to the situations that I've seen in my own life with family members.
There's so many similarities, but so many things that went different at the same time.
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But like that in my dad's story and in, you know, what I know and see of my dad, becausewe're very similar in that way, like that, the love language, love language of work.
My dad had a young family just like Jason did.
And so like that he was running himself into the ground and that was, that was an easypickup and it made him able to do whatever he needed to do until, it didn't, know, and
(13:43):
that's when it, that's when it gets you.
So.
There's a line that was drawn and a...
You're fine.
Lord have mercy.
There's a, there's a line that was drawn for those guys and you know, some get to itsooner than others and, thank God they did because they're out sharing, you know, those
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kinds of stories and that grace and that passion with everybody else.
And that's, that's what we need in this world.
So yeah, if, you get the chance to go and listen to, the sober cowboy podcast is calledcowboys don't quit.
a sober cowboy conversation and Jason Taylor's the most recent one up there, depending onwhen you're listening to this.
So definitely find that one and listen to it.
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Cause the story on that recovery is amazing.
Well, in its...
I'm gonna have an episode coming out tomorrow with Kelly Lovelace.
And I think we, you know, we talk a lot, so I can't say everything that is in it, because,but I always talk about the hardships that you have to go through to find, find God.
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And it's amazing.
Sometimes it's sad that you have to go through so many hardships and sometimes, you know,I said this in another episode.
I said, I have a friend that used to be a highway patrolman and he said, even the hardestcore atheist believes in God because when you have somebody in a car wreck, that's the
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first thing they say is, God.
And then actually it's funny, I talked to a minister today that said, you know what?
The ones that believe in God the most are atheists anyway, because they're alwayscomplaining about him.
So, but where I want to go with that is we're all both believers and we both have seen thegoodness that comes out of believing.
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So that's good.
But I want, let's get on some better topics at the moment.
Not that that was a bad topic, but I want to talk about something that's exciting.
And you have a bull riding coming up or
in June?
Is it June?
It's in May.
yeah, May 17th and it's our second annual fundraising event for sober Cowboys.
(16:12):
So last year we did a Calcutta bull riding.
This year we're going a little bit bigger and we're doing an extreme rough stock.
So we're going to have bareback horses, saddle, bronc horses, ranch, bronc and bulls.
And we're super excited for that.
Of course, that's my main focus right now.
it's a lot of work that goes into planning an event and I can't even imagine a bigger onebecause the scale that we're at on our second year isn't as big as some of these, you
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know, big giant events and rodeo.
So, I'm trying to walk the path and like that, give it to God and know and trust thateverything's going to work out.
But yeah, we're in the middle of planning for that and, super excited for it.
So we do last year, we did that one big fundraising event and.
this year, hopefully the same and helps get us down the road, to go and be, be present atthese rodeos and Western industry events to, you know, let it be known that we exist and
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we're here when people need us.
So, this year it's called eight seconds for addiction, extreme rough stock rodeo.
and so that's going be really cool doing the eight seconds for addiction and seeing thoseguys ride.
And hopefully we get some.
some good rides out of it and lots of good rodeo and local entertainment.
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So yeah, we're excited for that one.
We're having a youth camp the day before too.
lots going into this, but yeah, it's gonna be fun.
We're excited for it.
Well, I mean and I'm excited for it too for you, you know, it's in Pueblo, correct?
Yes, it's going to be at the Colorado state fairgrounds in Pueblo, Colorado.
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So we took on a bigger arena this year and a little bit bigger stock.
So yeah, we're excited to get it out there and get these guys riding.
So.
Well, good.
any Colorado friends, you better head down and check out Lacey's event.
that
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If you're around this area, you can find all the information at sobercowboy.org.
Tickets are on sale.
if you need to know anything about that, just get with me and I'll get you, get you hookedup with where you need to go.
But we'd love to have any and all that are in the area and may 17th, five o'clock at thestate fairgrounds.
So.
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Well, that is awesome.
I have some friends that will hopefully be there, I hope.
Yeah, you in return, like you were talking about friends that I hooked you up with.
Well, you hooked me up with Jared, who is a real estate agent around here and he's come inand sponsored this event.
So we're super excited to have him and represent him for the year and have him at theevent too.
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So yeah, thank you for that.
Yeah, well, anything that we can do for you is a good deal.
Because good people deserve good things and you're good people.
So what else has been going on in your life?
Just feels like just working.
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picked up another job.
So I'm back to four, which is crazy and unnecessary, but I'm hoping to achieve somepersonal goals this year, you know, of buying a little land and maybe a house.
I don't know.
I think I said that last year too.
It's always been my goal.
So I'm just trying to hustle it all around, but thankfully it still allows me theopportunity to, you know, put most of my time and effort still into Sober Cowboy.
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And that's
That's what my world revolves around right now.
So, um, yeah, it's just been really cool to see.
I'm just excited to see what continues to happen and the conversations that keep happeningand the people that we meet.
There's been some, you know, wild interactions I had.
I have a story that's kind of crazy.
had a guy that I met, he was fighting bulls in cripple Creek.
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met one time at this rodeo and kind of became friends.
He was, you know, pretty interested in sober cowboy and.
So I was like, cool.
we, you know, got each other on Facebook and all that.
So we were kind of keeping up with each other there and had maybe seen each other at anevent or two after that.
I'm not sure.
I can't remember, but either way.
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Then I have another friend, Cole Lampson, who is not commodity, which he does leather workand then kind of has created this brand that, you know, his stuff is not of commodity.
And so he's
He's also a sober cowboy and has, has given back to sober cowboy in ways that isdifferent.
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Like his, his brand chooses to honor sober cowboy and gives a percentage of his salesback, to us.
And so that's kind of cool.
He's like the podcast sponsor.
And, anyway, so I'd met Cole one time he came down here to get a tattoo and we ended uphaving lunch before his tattoo.
So we've met briefly had lunch for an hour or whatever.
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So neither of these people know each other.
Of course.
Well, one night, I don't even know when this was into summer, maybe this fall.
And Vinny, the bullfighter texted me and said, do you know anybody in Greeley?
And I said, well, I know one guy in Greeley kind of coal, coal lamps and you know, the notcommodity guy.
And so I said, what's up?
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And he said, well, I've got a friend that's needing to get to rehab like an hour and ahalf away from Greeley.
And he needs to go now.
Like it's not good.
I said, well, let me see what I can do.
And so I called Cole who doesn't know any of these people.
And I said, Hey, what are you doing?
It was like Friday night.
I think, yeah, it was a Friday night.
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I called Cole.
said, what are you up to?
And he's, know, nothing just got home from work, you know, hanging out, whatever.
And I said, well, there's a guy that needs help getting to rehab.
can't drive.
He's, you know, really messed up and.
Drunk or whatever it was.
I don't know if he was in his pickup.
I don't even know what really happened, but basically Cole ended up picking him up andtaking him to rehab that night.
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It was late.
It ended up being like 11, 11 30 by the time he dropped him off there and made his wayback another hour of driving.
And I didn't even really know what happened, but I texted Vinny the next day and said, didyour friend make it?
And I texted Cole and said, did you get him there?
And it all worked out.
And then a week or two later, I got an email from the guy that.
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you know, was an inpatient and he said, thank you so much.
This, this community came together and got me there, you know?
And so I'm really, I mean, I'm the face and the driver, but I'm, I'm just a catalyst toget everybody where they need to go and hopefully connect the people that need to be
connected.
that little stuff like that happens all the time, which that wasn't a little thing.
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That was definitely again, a God thing, you know, that
lined everybody up in their paths.
And maybe I met each of those guys that I met one or two times to line it up for that.
And that's what it turned into.
And hopefully saved that guy's life and got him on the path of recovery.
We talked a little bit when he got out of his inpatient.
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I haven't talked to him since.
I thought about him today, actually, and I need to text him.
But just cool stuff like that that's happened throughout the year is what keeps me goingand makes it all worth it.
to get that email that somebody made it there and is doing what they need to do.
stuff like that's really cool.
And I know that you have those things come up as well, but.
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Well, I do, but here's the deal.
I put out a post yesterday because I wanted to think about...
I said when I went to Cody, I went to Cody this weekend to reflect and re-energize andrelax and just kind of look within myself.
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And I also said that...
So when I posted this yesterday...
Because Saturday was my birthday and I wanted to there I just like to reflect on mybirthday kind of like Now that I know I want to reflect, know what?
When I was younger probably didn't reflect
I know I usually do on my birthday too, because it's a pivotal moment, you know?
(24:38):
It is and it's funny because I was looking at some of the little things in life that you,know, I mean, I posted that I didn't become an NFL football player and I wish I had one
more conversation with the people that I really wish I would have understood I neededanother conversation from and a few other things, been divorced, this and that.
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But what I've learned is just what you said, that's why I was smiling is because
I now have those people that I know I can call if I truly had a problem or needed somebodylike you just had.
You see, this is the impact you make.
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said you just maybe talk to them once or twice.
And I would do the same thing for you because I know who you are and I can feel yourenergy and I can feel the good person that you are.
But
You have those people that now will stand up and do the right things for people because weknow the good people.
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You know, if I'm saying this right, sometimes I need a translator.
admit that on air, but what I'm saying is we start surrounding ourselves with those goodpeople.
Good things are going to happen in this world.
You know, and that is where I'm
I also said that's where I found my peace because I can be me and I can have my peace andif somebody needs something, I'm a phone call away or a message away, whatever.
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so that's the good thing about what we're doing, what Don't Die Rusty is doing, what SoberCowboy is doing, because
I look around and if I'm at a rodeo or wherever I'm at, mean, if I see a sober cowboy,anything, I'm going, I know that girl.
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You know, it's one of those things, you know, and I'm proud to know you.
And that's what we're working at.
And I think both of us are changing.
the world and our ways, the ways we do this together, you know, and to be friends is adifferent story.
We aren't fighting against each other to try to change the world.
We're trying to give people a reason to celebrate their lives.
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Yeah, no, we're all in it together and in any form that we can help each other, you know,it's it's different lanes, but they all come together on the interstate at some point.
So it's it's cool to see, that's for sure.
And it's yeah, whatever little things that we can do, connect people, tell a story, youknow, that's the thing with with what you do.
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And so over cowboy stories in particular, I think are super important because
Everybody's different.
Everybody's got a different story.
And if we can highlight those like that, Jason's is a little bit different than Tyler's isa little bit different than Cody's is a little bit different than Ma says, you know,
there's all these people that have a sober cowboy story and they're all a little bitdifferent.
And so when that person comes along and they stumble across it and they're looking throughthere and they, they read a story and they're like, Oh wow, that's exactly what happened
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to me.
How did this guy get through it?
Well, we're going to provide that.
information to you, whether it be me giving you his number directly or me talking to youabout it, know, whatever it is.
that's how, that's how people get through it is by, you know, humans are community andrelationship oriented.
That's how we thrive and survive.
We, not a single one of us would make it on this earth alone.
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So if we can get out there and highlight the people that have, that have done good andthat have done bad and that have had struggles and that have, you know, made it to the
top, that's
all we can do because that's going to bring somebody else up along the way.
And I also think that both of us have a certain amount of transparency of this is whatwe've gone through.
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We have, we aren't trying to hide anything in that aspect.
And when we can say that, tell people about ourselves and tell a story about ourselves andother people aren't so afraid, we either, they aren't afraid to...
now that they know that other people have went through those struggles themselves, or theyaren't afraid to say, start a conversation.
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Cause did you hear what Lacey and Rick were talking about the other day?
And cause that's what I always say is like our conversations can start a conversation thatmight help somebody.
Like I heard this on the podcast.
What do you think instead of
This is what I was thinking.
What do you think?
You know what I mean?
At least they can, it's kind of like, it's kind of like this.
(29:35):
When I was a kid and I didn't want to go do something, I would blame my mom and dad forsaying that I couldn't go do something because, and I never even asked them, but you you
can blame somebody else for something like, so they can say, did you listen to Rick andLacey talking in this podcast?
Instead of saying, I was thinking about this.
So that's it.
(29:56):
If we can start out the good things.
You know, that's what this is all about.
Yeah, absolutely.
We have to just expose them because a lot of people aren't going to openly tell theirstories because it's vulnerable.
But if there's a couple of us that are, it's going to lead to more.
And that's what we need to heal the world.
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Yes, it is.
you know, I'm, I'm just, I have a lot of things that I'm trying to do right now.
And I've kind of asked opinions of people from a lot of people I trust and this and that.
And, but it's, it's interesting.
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I have the hardships and the that go on, like we said, about believing and
I just think that this has been one of those funky winters where I got a little bit downon myself, but because of things like you and other people that are putting out positive
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stuff, and then looking at other things I got out of my funk.
you know, since I met you, and I've never been a big drinker in the first place.
I mean, like I said, when I was in college, I admit that stuff, but since I've met you andother people have listened to our conversations, I've become more, I've thought more if I
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was going to ever have a drink, which is interesting.
Here's the interesting thing.
My stepson got married.
last Labor Day.
And they got married in the Bighorn Mountains and then I took them to a camper later afterthe wedding party.
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But the first thing they said is they wanted me to take them because they knew I wouldn'tbe drinking.
And you know what, that's a badge of honor right there to me to say, you know, it's one ofthose deals.
I'm not saying that I haven't had a
beer, but it's one of those things that I don't need it.
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And I don't, I really don't, you know, I mean, I just heard Ricky, who's not on theepisode today, but he's been 70 days without any, I think it was 70 days without any
alcoholic beverage or longer.
wow, that's awesome.
You know, and me, it comes and goes.
don't need it.
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I just don't need it.
And it doesn't, I like to, because I like to get up in the morning and, and it'sinteresting how listening to you talk about not being able to sleep when you, know, what
alcohol, the effects of alcohol and stuff.
And I've argued this fact with a couple people.
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So thank you for helping me with my argument and saying, you know, it helps me with myanxiety.
No, it doesn't.
Cause your problems will be there tomorrow and sleeping part.
you know, I just, I just don't want to thank you for giving me these perspectives that Inever thought about.
Even though I wasn't, you come up like, this is a funny deal.
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Like the devil can be in this side, like on your shoulder.
Mm-hmm.
and Lacey Singleton's on my other shoulder.
not me.
Don't put me over there.
No, but.
you're the first person that comes up that in my mind, like, you know, not that I feel,but I feel like, what would Lacey think if I had a beer in my hand?
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it's not that you would think, I'm not saying you would judge me in some aspects, but it'slike, you have given me another sense of...
sense of not doing it like like you're one of my character people you know
Yeah.
Well, and that brings up a point that, you know, I have this conversation with tons ofpeople all the time because this is the thing.
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People will come up and say, well, I don't really have a problem.
I just like to have some beers sometimes.
And that's, mean, whatever, it's fine.
We're not going to like that.
I'm not going to look down at anybody and I'll have people, you know, like when I was inVegas, there was some situations where a friend or whatever, an acquaintance would
be drinking and I'd walk up and say, hi, how's it going?
You know, and they're like, I'm so sorry, I'm having a drink.
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And it's like, I don't care that you're having a drink.
I don't care at all.
That's not, you know, some people can handle it.
That's fine.
I can't, that's fine too.
but I just want to, I I'm glad that it creates the thought because that's, that's what'simportant because when it does get to that point where it's not just a few beers anymore.
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I hope that that thought remains.
And then I hope that Lacey is sitting there on your shoulder and you call her, you know,or call us over cowboy.
They can help you through that situation because that's, you know, in a world that's soconsumed and marketed to, and it's so acceptable to just like that.
That's what people look forward to.
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That's what their life revolves around.
That's what everybody does.
You know, it's, if you're hanging out with your friends while you're going to the bar,you're doing this or
getting drunk here, whatever the case.
you know, when it, when it, when you sit back and look at it because somebody else aroundyou is sober and you say, this is making me uncomfortable.
First of all, that's a sign of guilt and shame that's associated with being an addict.
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So if you're having those feelings and those thoughts, you should maybe do some selfreflection.
not to, not to be putting shame on anybody, but
There's that portion in recovery that's like, you are feeling guilty or shameful over thethings that you're doing, then it's a thought and it is something to be considered a
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little bit more seriously than the way that that person's been treating it.
And that's the first kind of intro and lead into recovery.
Because of course we do a meeting when we talk about guilt and shame for the first twomeetings, totally.
That's what it is.
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recognizing that and then learning how to let that go too.
And like, if you, if you do have one beer, you don't have to be guilty or shameful ofthat.
Maybe that guilt or shame carries over from somebody else in your life that has beenaddicted to something, but it doesn't have to be a guilt or a shame thing on either side.
But the fact that it makes you think is very important.
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And I, I love that we're thinking about it because in a world that's so consumed by it,thoughts aren't usually present.
And so.
If Sober Cowboy and Lacey on your shoulder with the devil on the other side is making youthink, then let's do it.
Let's keep doing that.
Well, exactly, because here's the, my problem isn't like, it's, I have troubles withpeople, like.
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Am I gonna have one or two beers and not wanna feel like I'm gonna get up in the morning?
So I won't, and that's just because I love seeing the sunrise.
I love living life and I don't want people, so here's my, I get preachy then to not onlymyself, but other people because then I start being like, you can get up on a Saturday
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morning and go see the sunrise and you can experience more life than you can in a glassand in, in,
I was talking to, I can't remember who I was talking to, but when, well, it was, actuallywas with Kelly and Lovelace and I, what fulfills you?
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And what fulfills me is those days that I have the peace, I have the view.
and I'm taking it in, I'm seeing everything around me and my heart is full, my soul isfull and you realize what you have and you say thank you for the surroundings and the
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people that you're with and that's what fulfills me.
And so that's my big deal is like, you know what?
I'd rather spend whatever on
gas and go to climb a mountain myself or whatever, then go have a few glasses of beer orwhatever.
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And I'm not, and like I said, like Lacey said to you, I'm not, I'm not, if you can handleit and do that, that's fine.
And I, and that's up to you.
But for me personally, it's like,
When you get up in the morning and you see what God has given you in unwrapping the nightand seeing the sunrise, that's some of the most beautiful and best things to me.
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And to have talked to, you know, to talk to people, I mean, I've talked to six, maybethat's a little high.
maybe five people that have been addicted or something like that in the Don't Die Rustypodcast.
And to see all them enjoying the best parts of their life now is amazing.
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And it's so different, the things that you do find that peace in, it's so different.
And so, and you can't tap into that until you decide to do it.
And once you do like that, life is so beautiful and it opens up so much.
And that's not to say that there's not hardships along the way, because there absolutelyare no matter what.
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But the way that you handle those hardships creates such an easier path than...
you know, relying on other outside things or substances to get you through it.
It's, it's a whole different way of living.
And we talked, we did talk in one of our meetings recently and it was, you know, I, I toldeverybody in there cause we have some fresh ones coming in on the year and which is
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awesome, but I'm like, you guys get to rebuild yourselves right now.
You get to rebuild how you handle this, what you do love, what you enjoy spending timedoing.
Cause it's going to look totally different than what you're used to when you are in thataddict mentality.
It's going to look.
Completely different because what used to be fun to me was sitting on the porch anddrinking 20 beers with my friends and getting drunk and yelling at each other and fighting
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But now like I don't want to do that.
I want to you know go spend time with people that I love in quality time not that kind oftime but quality time and you know, it looks completely different and so and in the way
you handle situations, so it's just Like that what you found that is your
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Solitude in your piece and going to hike to the sunrise and seeing that every morning,which I know you do That's that's your newfound peace and you know Everybody's just gonna
look different to we're all very different people and we like different things but there'sa whole nother world of even better things than the dopamine provided through addiction to
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whatever substance that that is that comes naturally and it's like
so much better.
Yeah, today, what you're kind of saying is kind of my post today, undone, rusty, my littleclip for tomorrow's episode, but I was stuck comparing myself to who I used to be.
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And I don't know if you saw that clip.
I would like you to listen to that clip when you get a chance sometime.
But it's, I kept on comparing myself to who I was.
And one day, and younger, know, I was just this and that.
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And one day I was driving down the road and I started doing that and I thought to myself,stop it right now.
Stop comparing and just.
yourself to who you were and remember who you are and When people can start seeing whothey are who they're changing who they're becoming and smile Life is just so much better
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You know, we've both been in those situations and that's why every success that you have Ismile and because I say, you know that girl is kicking ass and taking names and and
I appreciate seeing that.
And when you can cheer your friends on, because I think when I was, you know, I mean,everybody, think when they're younger, they get maybe jealous or whatever of other people
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having things that they don't have.
And they don't realize that, you know what, when you start changing yourself, maybe youwill have some of that stuff.
And I've, you know, I mean, you know, I mean, it's kind of like
in anything.
I mean, somebody gets a bigger buck, you wish you, you know, you're not, I mean, I'm not,no, I'd cheer him on.
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But, you know, you're just going, oh, my gosh, if I, you know, wish I could have beenthere or whatever, you know, or, or, you know, I mean, winning or anything or doing
whatever.
When you can start seeing that your life is changing and your dreams, you're tackling yourdreams.
That's what it's all about.
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Yeah, comparison truly is the thief of joy and that comes in so many different forms too,like comparing to your older or your younger self, comparing to your friends, the people
on like that social media.
There's so many things to compare ourselves to these days and it's just not worth it.
And you have to find, you got to find you and then you're going to shine brighter thanwhoever you're comparing yourself to anyway, once you do.
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And that comes through.
finding God and being able to bring that faith to light through yourself because there'sno, there's no better version than once you do that.
And that, like, like I said, with Jason, that grace and that, that faith flows out of youand it's, it's a different, it's a different glow that comes out, but that's because God
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thinks we're perfect in every way and he made us that way.
And so comparing us to somebody else, why would you do that?
to a perfect creation, you know?
Yeah, and you know, we gotta just realize we can strive to be the best we can be everyday.
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And if we falter, we need to give ourselves a little grace.
You know, cause...
for me and I and I think I can say probably you at one point for sure we're the hard we'reour hardest critics yes and we need to learn to give ourselves that grace you know and and
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when we started learning to give ourselves grace I'm not saying permission I'm sayinggrace like yes you have you stumbled
but we're gonna get back up and keep moving and not keep, not say, know what, stumble, laydown there, you know, roll around in the dirt.
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And we're saying, I'm saying stumbled, you got back up, wiped yourself off and we keepgoing.
And we do.
And that's the best part about what we're trying to do, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I agree.
we gotta, you know, everybody, just, it's never, rock bottom can always get lower if youlet it.
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So it's choosing when you decide enough is enough and want to step into that light and beable to proceed.
So.
Yes.
So, so anyway, you have anything else going on?
No, I've just been working.
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need to, I need to focus if we're going to talk about being critics on ourselves, I needto, which one of my goals this year was time management.
Cause I'm so poor at it.
I'll get locked on one thing and obsess over it until it's completed and completed the wayI want it and not get anything else done in between.
So right now this rodeo is taking on that form.
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And so like that, I need to do my own podcast and
and be reaching out to people like I was this time last year when I found you.
you know, there's a lot of things, but having that grace and also learning how to makethat time management into relax a little bit too, which is hard to do.
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I did this weekend and it was really nice.
was home and haven't been home, you know, very consistently on the weekends.
So it was nice to get some R and R and catch up and, but
By the way, if you do listen to Jason's podcast with us and then you want to go listen toJason's church, he's doing, I think, six weeks on relaxing and giving these, giving these
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issues, you know, to God and having that, having that day of rest and how important it isfor us, not only mentally, but physically too, but especially mentally, you know, and
that's where we, we, we lack as humans and especially in this culture that we're in rightnow, where it's just.
You know, we grind and that's what we're supposed to do.
And we're supposed to be hustling and making all this money and doing all this stuff.
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But you have to take care of yourself first and foremost.
So I'm trying to learn how to balance all of that.
And I know that it's, it is a balancing act, but you know, trying to do that and just,mean, I'm ready for the wind to stop blowing and be able to be outside a little bit.
Well, I will tell you that's that is from Colorado to South Dakota because that wind hasbeen blowing
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Gosh, it's so annoying.
I was at work the other day and they're always complaining about, you know, the snow orwhen it's cold and I don't ever, because I don't mind the snow and I don't mind the cold.
You can always bundle up and put more layers on, but there is not a dang thing you can dofor this wind.
I don't care if you put on a windbreaker, wind jacket, this and that.
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It's terrible.
I hate it.
So that's the only kind of weather I really complain about.
But yeah, that's making us a little stir crazy, I think, and ready to...
You know, we're ready for spring and spring and summer.
So I don't know, Rick, I mostly just been working and I did go down to Texas for thatfellowship of the, of the cowboy church conference.
And that was really good.
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You know, met a lot of great people down there.
They've got some really wonderful things going on at those.
I attended two different cowboy churches bar none, which is Jason's and then cross brand,which was really cool.
And they've just got.
beautiful facilities and so many things to look up to and not compare to, but look up toand hope to be there someday in our own ways.
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So I hope that Sober Cowboy can provide that kind of facility and care and house of faithto people and house of healing.
So it was really an inspiration to be able to go down there and see the work that thoseguys and gals have put into those places and learn from them.
You know, they invited us in and fed us really good and it was lots of fun.
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I trying to think what else I've done.
did go to Fort Worth.
went to the stock show that was back beginning of February, which is one of my favoriterodeos out there.
So I won't miss that one.
That was, that was really fun.
I didn't get a whole lot accomplished.
I kind of was just hanging out at that one, but yeah.
So we've just been.
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busy.
There's been some local bull rides and stuff like that that we've been to and, you know,gearing up for the summertime.
There's lots of youth camps and of course rodeos and events that we're looking to be atand go to.
And so just trying to be out there in the world and talking to people and stuff like that.
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But yeah, just planning for this rodeo.
And then once that's behind me, I'll be able to lock in a little bit more.
Guess what?
We had to schedule my rodeo the weekend of the buck and horse sale.
Well, I, when you said that time, I knew it was.
I'm so sad, but there was there was nothing we could do.
My committee.
There was some members that that was the only weekend.
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And then of course there's the Colorado Pro Rodeo Circuit that's you know around here too.
And that was one of the only weekends that they didn't have any rodeos and I don't want tocompete with them.
You know, so it's that's when we had to do it.
So I'm sad this is going to be.
This would have been my third year in a row at the Buckingham Horsdale, so I'm a littlebit upset, but I'll make sure to not do that again.
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Well, that's, mean, I understand that, but, know, I'll see, you know, Cindy's actuallygoing to Alaska that weekend because her son graduates from fire school.
He's a paramedic, but he got into the Anchorage fire department and then she's going to bea grandma.
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So that's making her excited too.
but you know, you never know where Rick's vehicle might end up.
Well, if you go over there to mile city, you better send me a picture of the buck andshoots because I'm, I'm going to be sad.
well, if I get a picture of those buck and shoots, I'm really going to be excited insteadof sad.
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So
All right.
So, well, I'm gonna, instead of asking you what's a good life right now, because I thinkwe've talked about it and I know you're busy and you have all kinds of things going on.
So I'm gonna say, what fulfills Lacey?
Well, the little story that I told about connecting those people, stuff like that, whenthat happens, that keeps my gas tank off the E.
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That keeps me full.
That keeps me knowing that what I'm doing makes a difference.
And it's, again, not what I'm doing, but the path that I've been led to to fulfill theneeds and what I've been called to do.
You know, my purpose in this world is that.
And if it's...
If it's as small as connecting a couple of people to get a guy to rehab, then that's whatit is.
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But that's huge in my book and that's, that's what fulfills me and being, you know, beingthe person that they come to when they need it or having these conversations in the middle
of a rodeo ground that, know, somebody lost their kid to addiction or lost their parentand being able to be a shoulder to cry on and a comfort for, for those people.
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That's fulfilling.
I'm to a point in life where.
like that the most important things to me is spending time with the ones I love andworking as hard as I can at this purpose that I've been given and that's fulfillment.
Well, that is awesome.
Cause you know, it's all about making the right choices in life.
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And, and I know we were talking earlier before we got on about being tired and about, youknow, all this stuff and you're way busier than I am, but people don't realize the work
that goes into all this stuff.
Sometimes I don't think they do, but every time I get to have a conversation like this iswhat really, really keeps me going.
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Yeah.
What keeps a fire burning?
When somebody says something and it strikes a chord.
So thank you so much.
You've struck a chord with me and if you ever need anything from me, know all you have todo is ask.
Yeah, well back at you because I know that I know that we're far away from each other andwe do try to check in you're you're better at that than I am you check in on me all the
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time and every time you text and you're like, hey, I just hope you're good.
Have a good day.
I'm like Rick is so kind and sweet and that is so genuine.
So I appreciate you a lot too.
And even when I am busy and I'm like who's texting me and then I see that it's that andI'm like
I'm blessed and I'm blessed to be busy.
So we can't be complaining about those kinds of things, but I appreciate you a lot.
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And yeah, I'm sad we're going to miss mile city, but we'll get together at some point,even if you don't make it to Pueblo.
If you do, let me know because we've got to you taken care of.
But yeah, it's it's really great.
And I appreciate you for again, allowing us to be here and for supporting sober cowboy theway you have.
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Well, whatever you need and I suggest anybody go listen to Lacey's podcast.
and then go to the rodeo.
If you're close to Pueblo, go to the book and go to the, rough stock event, I should say,and, just, just support Lacey.
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I mean, I love that you can support don't die rusty, but Lacey is such a good person.
So anything you can do for official soul book.
Sober cowboy, go do that, please.
Thank you, Rick.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate you.
So everybody keep chasing your dreams, being the best you and of course don't die rusty.
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Thank you.
Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
We are so lucky to have returning guest, Lacey Singleton of Official Sober Cowboy.
She is just one of those, she's energetic.
I don't think she has any quitter in her.
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I think if you get, Jesus.
It's all right.
Well, I've made you do it three times now, so.
luckily when I do my little ones by myself, I can just say, okay.
All right.
Hello, don't die rusty nation.
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We are lucky enough tonight to have Lacey Singleton of official sober cowboy with usagain.
She is a wonderful person and she has a wonderful organization that I
I think everybody should at least take a look at and if not help her out.
She has events going on.
supports all kinds of things Western or she can correct me on this stuff too.
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but you know what?
Lacey has been busy and she has a lot of things going on.
But first of all, I want to have her tell you a little bit about official sober cowboy.
If you do not know what she does.
So.
Good evening, Lacey.
Thank you so much for having me back and to be with the don't die rusty nation and I'mjust honored to be friends with you and be a part of all this.
(01:37):
So thank you guys for having me and listening and yeah, to tell a little bit about sobercowboy.
I'm the founder and we launched a year ago in January.
So we're a little over a year right now, but our mission is to help Cowboys, rodeoathletes in the Western industry to avoid and recover from addiction.
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So we do a lot of work building communities and friendships and I don't like to call themsponsors, but we've got some leaders and stuff like that that step in and help the new
guys.
And we've really just built something awesome that guys and gals that are in the Westernindustry can feel comfortable to come to when they are struggling with addiction.
So that's the goal and that's what we've been working on and doing.
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Well, I've been, you know, you are, you are amazing.
And I don't say that lightly because here's the deal.
You have given me three guests that you, one of them, you don't even know that you gave memy, now you don't do, but you, you helped me get ahold of Cody Custer and we did an
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interview with Cody and I drove out to here in South Dakota.
And I was waiting for Cody and then Jerry Norton, world champion bullfighter happened tobe there at the same time.
And Cody says, Hey, do you mind if Jerry comes and has supper with us?
then if you would have seen that, how that episode was made is the most amazing thing oftwo Cowboys finding an empty.
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room and we just and had the podcast.
was funny.
It was fun anyway.
And then everything that went on.
But I thank you for that one.
And then we talked to Joe Wernst too.
And that was a great episode too.
And I learned a lot and we talked about a lot of things.
Yeah.
Joe's got a lot of fun stuff going on.
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I'm super excited to see what he's going to do in his career coming up.
And, he had a big move away from me to Texas.
And so now I've got too many friends in Texas, I think, and have to be down there all thetime to see all my friends and do all the work.
So, but yeah, they're both great guys there.
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I don't know Jerry, but of course, Cody and I.
became friends last year in June at Battleborn Bronx.
then, Joe and I, Joe reached out to silver cowboy.
was one of the first, first guys when I launched the Instagram to message and say, this isreally cool.
We need this in the Western industry.
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And he said he'd been sober for however many years, which I know he's, he's way down theline on that.
But, so it's just been really cool.
The relationships that have formed throughout the last year and both of those being.
You know, a couple of them.
then like that, I was able to pass them onto you.
Cause I know they both do have cool stories and, to get to talk to a world champion ispretty dang cool regardless.
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yeah, they're both great guys.
And that that's the kind of stuff that's happened over the last year that just like is soamazing and so many blessings and friendships that have come out of just this idea that I
had, you know, and I know that you feel the same about.
Don't die rusty and all the conversations that come from it.
And that's the whole point of don't die rusty is to have those, interesting conversationsand hear people's stories.
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But it's really cool to see how people open up when you just allow them that little bit ofspace to do so.
And those are the friendships that remain, you know,
And it is, and you know what?
It is so nice to get a text from you or a call from you or whatever out of the blue.
It's amazing how certain people, these friendships start, keep, growing.
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And I'm lucky in that aspect.
And, and I want to tell the people out there, Lacey has a podcast she puts out here andthere.
And I want to say,
I just listened to the Jason Taylor one.
Yeah, that was the last one we did.
So I think that one posted a week or two ago.
(05:51):
Yes, it did.
And I think they need to listen to our episode of when we did you the first time, we didthe episode with you the first time, because I'm listening to it.
And I'm going, when he started talking about meth, having two daughters, wife, all thatstuff.
And I'm thinking, I can't wait to hear Lacey's perspective of being the daughter.
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Mm-hmm.
because you need to listen to the episode, but Lacey's been in the situation somewhatbefore.
And so my question to you is, when you did this episode, how did you feel?
it's really interesting.
That was the second conversation that I had had that in, in that form.
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And I'm going to get into more of what I mean by that form.
But the first one was with Tyler event and he is with wild courage, which is another,organization and podcast that you should check out if, you haven't don't die rusty nation
because it's really wonderful, especially, especially the men and the wives.
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The men that are struggling with addiction or any kind of trauma or mental health, butthen the wives too, that are dealing with the husbands and, or whatever their own
struggles.
so Tyler, I didn't have the podcast running yet.
The sober cowboy podcast when we did Tyler's sober cowboy story.
So it's kind of in a different form, but it can be found on our website under the sobercowboy stories.
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he also was a meth user and, he just had.
the one baby, which they still just have the one baby now, but, at the time.
so to talk to him, was like talking to my dad almost, you know?
And so when I say this, I don't want to say this and sound, I don't want to soundinsensitive when I say this, but I love talking to the guys that were addicted to meth
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because it's so close to home for me because my dad, struggled with.
addiction and still does.
He's an addict, has used meth on and off most of my life and more on and off.
So, I've definitely experienced that side of addiction as well.
And I think that that one is honestly harder because before I understood what thataddiction was personally, it's like, it's like you're losing somebody.
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It's like a death, like you have to.
It's not that person anymore.
Like that's not my dad when he's high.
and I know that Tyler's wife and, other loved ones in their lives, you know, Jason's wifeas well, probably feel the same way.
Like that's not my husband.
That's not the father of my kids.
That's not who I married.
It's a completely different person.
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So, to see those guys come out of something like that, that is so hard to recover from isjust like, it gives me so much hope.
And I'm so proud of.
both of them and then anybody else that has done it because it's not an easy walk.
That's for sure.
With something like that.
I mean, no addiction is, but I just, I don't know, for some reason I've seen what meth cando to a family and to a person.
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And it's so intense and it takes over every single, every single part of your life andit's devastating.
And so to see them come out of it is just with their lives and their families still, andstill have.
They haven't lost anything.
Thank God, God willing, you know, that grace was placed upon them and it's just amazing tosee that recovery.
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So yeah, to talk to Jason and, and hear that from his point of view, obviously I've heardit from my dad and, his story, my dad's is up on sober cowboy stories as well on
sobercowboy.org, but, and he someday we'll do a silver cowboy.
podcast with my dad, but it's going to be a while because he unfortunately didn't make itout of that situation.
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Like the, gracefully as the other guys did and he's serving time now.
So he hand wrote me, I think it was 11 pages front and back or 16 pages, something likethat, something crazy of his whole story.
And so he goes into, you know, his addiction and he still, was two years ago, a year and ahalf ago that he wrote that for me.
And so he's still very fresh in recovery and honestly, prison is a weird thing.
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And there's a lot of weird things that go on in there that I think feed the addict becauseit's a bunch of addicts locked in a place together and they just don't, they don't know
how to adjust and adapt to what recovery actually looks like in the outside world.
So that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother conversation in itself.
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But, you know, to watch.
to witness and get to see these guys that have come out on the other side.
gives me hope and should give those struggling or those that are a family member or aloved one of somebody that's struggling, should give them so much hope because it's not
easy to do, but it can be done.
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Well, it's when I was listening to Jason's and I kind of understood some, I mean, some ofhis thoughts, because everybody talks about a love language and I could, and this isn't,
you know, it's funny that you're talking about meth and a love language in the samesentence, but I think.
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You know, he told about how he grew up and he was a worker and that's what he was.
And I think that's how he showed that he loved the people around him because he justworked as, and he needed that math to keep on moving.
Especially like at the sale barn and other things.
but, but, know, mean that, that, and I was thinking, you know, to, understand what he wentthrough.
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And I don't want to say, I don't want to say too much about this because it startedhitting me about a quarter of the way through.
And, so if you get a chance, go listen to this episode because it's, it's pretty, it hitsyour heart.
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It did.
Yeah.
He's amazing.
And obviously his faith and the grace that he holds within himself and shares with othersas a recovering addict is something to be admired.
And it's not, he would say it's not him and it's not like Jesus works through people andhe's definitely working through that guy.
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And, it, yeah, it was amazing.
He, he's something else.
And I listened, then of course I listened to his church.
Cause they live stream it on Sunday.
And I'm like, he's also just an entertainer.
So he's hilarious.
And you wouldn't even expect him to be a pastor because he's just so raw and real and likethat he cusses a little bit.
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And, he's very, you know, deep Southern Texas and he's just funny, but yeah, it was, itwas, this is a great conversation, very eyeopening and, and like that to then compare it
to the situations that I've seen in my own life with family members.
There's so many similarities, but so many things that went different at the same time.
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But like that in my dad's story and in, you know, what I know and see of my dad, becausewe're very similar in that way, like that, the love language, love language of work.
My dad had a young family just like Jason did.
And so like that he was running himself into the ground and that was, that was an easypickup and it made him able to do whatever he needed to do until, it didn't, know, and
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that's when it, that's when it gets you.
So.
There's a line that was drawn and a...
You're fine.
Lord have mercy.
There's a, there's a line that was drawn for those guys and you know, some get to itsooner than others and, thank God they did because they're out sharing, you know, those
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kinds of stories and that grace and that passion with everybody else.
And that's, that's what we need in this world.
So yeah, if, you get the chance to go and listen to, the sober cowboy podcast is calledcowboys don't quit.
a sober cowboy conversation and Jason Taylor's the most recent one up there, depending onwhen you're listening to this.
So definitely find that one and listen to it.
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Cause the story on that recovery is amazing.
Well, in its...
I'm gonna have an episode coming out tomorrow with Kelly Lovelace.
And I think we, you know, we talk a lot, so I can't say everything that is in it, because,but I always talk about the hardships that you have to go through to find, find God.
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And it's amazing.
Sometimes it's sad that you have to go through so many hardships and sometimes, you know,I said this in another episode.
I said, I have a friend that used to be a highway patrolman and he said, even the hardestcore atheist believes in God because when you have somebody in a car wreck, that's the
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first thing they say is, God.
And then actually it's funny, I talked to a minister today that said, you know what?
The ones that believe in God the most are atheists anyway, because they're alwayscomplaining about him.
So, but where I want to go with that is we're all both believers and we both have seen thegoodness that comes out of believing.
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So that's good.
But I want, let's get on some better topics at the moment.
Not that that was a bad topic, but I want to talk about something that's exciting.
And you have a bull riding coming up or
in June?
Is it June?
It's in May.
yeah, May 17th and it's our second annual fundraising event for sober Cowboys.
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So last year we did a Calcutta bull riding.
This year we're going a little bit bigger and we're doing an extreme rough stock.
So we're going to have bareback horses, saddle, bronc horses, ranch, bronc and bulls.
And we're super excited for that.
Of course, that's my main focus right now.
it's a lot of work that goes into planning an event and I can't even imagine a bigger onebecause the scale that we're at on our second year isn't as big as some of these, you
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know, big giant events and rodeo.
So, I'm trying to walk the path and like that, give it to God and know and trust thateverything's going to work out.
But yeah, we're in the middle of planning for that and, super excited for it.
So we do last year, we did that one big fundraising event and.
this year, hopefully the same and helps get us down the road, to go and be, be present atthese rodeos and Western industry events to, you know, let it be known that we exist and
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we're here when people need us.
So, this year it's called eight seconds for addiction, extreme rough stock rodeo.
and so that's going be really cool doing the eight seconds for addiction and seeing thoseguys ride.
And hopefully we get some.
some good rides out of it and lots of good rodeo and local entertainment.
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So yeah, we're excited for that one.
We're having a youth camp the day before too.
lots going into this, but yeah, it's gonna be fun.
We're excited for it.
Well, I mean and I'm excited for it too for you, you know, it's in Pueblo, correct?
Yes, it's going to be at the Colorado state fairgrounds in Pueblo, Colorado.
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So we took on a bigger arena this year and a little bit bigger stock.
So yeah, we're excited to get it out there and get these guys riding.
So.
Well, good.
any Colorado friends, you better head down and check out Lacey's event.
that
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If you're around this area, you can find all the information at sobercowboy.org.
Tickets are on sale.
if you need to know anything about that, just get with me and I'll get you, get you hookedup with where you need to go.
But we'd love to have any and all that are in the area and may 17th, five o'clock at thestate fairgrounds.
So.
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Well, that is awesome.
I have some friends that will hopefully be there, I hope.
Yeah, you in return, like you were talking about friends that I hooked you up with.
Well, you hooked me up with Jared, who is a real estate agent around here and he's come inand sponsored this event.
So we're super excited to have him and represent him for the year and have him at theevent too.
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So yeah, thank you for that.
Yeah, well, anything that we can do for you is a good deal.
Because good people deserve good things and you're good people.
So what else has been going on in your life?
Just feels like just working.
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picked up another job.
So I'm back to four, which is crazy and unnecessary, but I'm hoping to achieve somepersonal goals this year, you know, of buying a little land and maybe a house.
I don't know.
I think I said that last year too.
It's always been my goal.
So I'm just trying to hustle it all around, but thankfully it still allows me theopportunity to, you know, put most of my time and effort still into Sober Cowboy.
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And that's
That's what my world revolves around right now.
So, um, yeah, it's just been really cool to see.
I'm just excited to see what continues to happen and the conversations that keep happeningand the people that we meet.
There's been some, you know, wild interactions I had.
I have a story that's kind of crazy.
had a guy that I met, he was fighting bulls in cripple Creek.
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met one time at this rodeo and kind of became friends.
He was, you know, pretty interested in sober cowboy and.
So I was like, cool.
we, you know, got each other on Facebook and all that.
So we were kind of keeping up with each other there and had maybe seen each other at anevent or two after that.
I'm not sure.
I can't remember, but either way.
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Then I have another friend, Cole Lampson, who is not commodity, which he does leather workand then kind of has created this brand that, you know, his stuff is not of commodity.
And so he's
He's also a sober cowboy and has, has given back to sober cowboy in ways that isdifferent.
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Like his, his brand chooses to honor sober cowboy and gives a percentage of his salesback, to us.
And so that's kind of cool.
He's like the podcast sponsor.
And, anyway, so I'd met Cole one time he came down here to get a tattoo and we ended uphaving lunch before his tattoo.
So we've met briefly had lunch for an hour or whatever.
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So neither of these people know each other.
Of course.
Well, one night, I don't even know when this was into summer, maybe this fall.
And Vinny, the bullfighter texted me and said, do you know anybody in Greeley?
And I said, well, I know one guy in Greeley kind of coal, coal lamps and you know, the notcommodity guy.
And so I said, what's up?
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And he said, well, I've got a friend that's needing to get to rehab like an hour and ahalf away from Greeley.
And he needs to go now.
Like it's not good.
I said, well, let me see what I can do.
And so I called Cole who doesn't know any of these people.
And I said, Hey, what are you doing?
It was like Friday night.
I think, yeah, it was a Friday night.
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I called Cole.
said, what are you up to?
And he's, know, nothing just got home from work, you know, hanging out, whatever.
And I said, well, there's a guy that needs help getting to rehab.
can't drive.
He's, you know, really messed up and.
Drunk or whatever it was.
I don't know if he was in his pickup.
I don't even know what really happened, but basically Cole ended up picking him up andtaking him to rehab that night.
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It was late.
It ended up being like 11, 11 30 by the time he dropped him off there and made his wayback another hour of driving.
And I didn't even really know what happened, but I texted Vinny the next day and said, didyour friend make it?
And I texted Cole and said, did you get him there?
And it all worked out.
And then a week or two later, I got an email from the guy that.
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you know, was an inpatient and he said, thank you so much.
This, this community came together and got me there, you know?
And so I'm really, I mean, I'm the face and the driver, but I'm, I'm just a catalyst toget everybody where they need to go and hopefully connect the people that need to be
connected.
that little stuff like that happens all the time, which that wasn't a little thing.
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That was definitely again, a God thing, you know, that
lined everybody up in their paths.
And maybe I met each of those guys that I met one or two times to line it up for that.
And that's what it turned into.
And hopefully saved that guy's life and got him on the path of recovery.
We talked a little bit when he got out of his inpatient.
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I haven't talked to him since.
I thought about him today, actually, and I need to text him.
But just cool stuff like that that's happened throughout the year is what keeps me goingand makes it all worth it.
to get that email that somebody made it there and is doing what they need to do.
stuff like that's really cool.
And I know that you have those things come up as well, but.
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Well, I do, but here's the deal.
I put out a post yesterday because I wanted to think about...
I said when I went to Cody, I went to Cody this weekend to reflect and re-energize andrelax and just kind of look within myself.
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And I also said that...
So when I posted this yesterday...
Because Saturday was my birthday and I wanted to there I just like to reflect on mybirthday kind of like Now that I know I want to reflect, know what?
When I was younger probably didn't reflect
I know I usually do on my birthday too, because it's a pivotal moment, you know?
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It is and it's funny because I was looking at some of the little things in life that you,know, I mean, I posted that I didn't become an NFL football player and I wish I had one
more conversation with the people that I really wish I would have understood I neededanother conversation from and a few other things, been divorced, this and that.
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But what I've learned is just what you said, that's why I was smiling is because
I now have those people that I know I can call if I truly had a problem or needed somebodylike you just had.
You see, this is the impact you make.
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said you just maybe talk to them once or twice.
And I would do the same thing for you because I know who you are and I can feel yourenergy and I can feel the good person that you are.
But
You have those people that now will stand up and do the right things for people because weknow the good people.
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You know, if I'm saying this right, sometimes I need a translator.
admit that on air, but what I'm saying is we start surrounding ourselves with those goodpeople.
Good things are going to happen in this world.
You know, and that is where I'm
I also said that's where I found my peace because I can be me and I can have my peace andif somebody needs something, I'm a phone call away or a message away, whatever.
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so that's the good thing about what we're doing, what Don't Die Rusty is doing, what SoberCowboy is doing, because
I look around and if I'm at a rodeo or wherever I'm at, mean, if I see a sober cowboy,anything, I'm going, I know that girl.
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You know, it's one of those things, you know, and I'm proud to know you.
And that's what we're working at.
And I think both of us are changing.
the world and our ways, the ways we do this together, you know, and to be friends is adifferent story.
We aren't fighting against each other to try to change the world.
We're trying to give people a reason to celebrate their lives.
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Yeah, no, we're all in it together and in any form that we can help each other, you know,it's it's different lanes, but they all come together on the interstate at some point.
So it's it's cool to see, that's for sure.
And it's yeah, whatever little things that we can do, connect people, tell a story, youknow, that's the thing with with what you do.
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And so over cowboy stories in particular, I think are super important because
Everybody's different.
Everybody's got a different story.
And if we can highlight those like that, Jason's is a little bit different than Tyler's isa little bit different than Cody's is a little bit different than Ma says, you know,
there's all these people that have a sober cowboy story and they're all a little bitdifferent.
And so when that person comes along and they stumble across it and they're looking throughthere and they, they read a story and they're like, Oh wow, that's exactly what happened
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to me.
How did this guy get through it?
Well, we're going to provide that.
information to you, whether it be me giving you his number directly or me talking to youabout it, know, whatever it is.
that's how, that's how people get through it is by, you know, humans are community andrelationship oriented.
That's how we thrive and survive.
We, not a single one of us would make it on this earth alone.
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So if we can get out there and highlight the people that have, that have done good andthat have done bad and that have had struggles and that have, you know, made it to the
top, that's
all we can do because that's going to bring somebody else up along the way.
And I also think that both of us have a certain amount of transparency of this is whatwe've gone through.
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We have, we aren't trying to hide anything in that aspect.
And when we can say that, tell people about ourselves and tell a story about ourselves andother people aren't so afraid, we either, they aren't afraid to...
now that they know that other people have went through those struggles themselves, or theyaren't afraid to say, start a conversation.
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Cause did you hear what Lacey and Rick were talking about the other day?
And cause that's what I always say is like our conversations can start a conversation thatmight help somebody.
Like I heard this on the podcast.
What do you think instead of
This is what I was thinking.
What do you think?
You know what I mean?
At least they can, it's kind of like, it's kind of like this.
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When I was a kid and I didn't want to go do something, I would blame my mom and dad forsaying that I couldn't go do something because, and I never even asked them, but you you
can blame somebody else for something like, so they can say, did you listen to Rick andLacey talking in this podcast?
Instead of saying, I was thinking about this.
So that's it.
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If we can start out the good things.
You know, that's what this is all about.
Yeah, absolutely.
We have to just expose them because a lot of people aren't going to openly tell theirstories because it's vulnerable.
But if there's a couple of us that are, it's going to lead to more.
And that's what we need to heal the world.
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Yes, it is.
you know, I'm, I'm just, I have a lot of things that I'm trying to do right now.
And I've kind of asked opinions of people from a lot of people I trust and this and that.
And, but it's, it's interesting.
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I have the hardships and the that go on, like we said, about believing and
I just think that this has been one of those funky winters where I got a little bit downon myself, but because of things like you and other people that are putting out positive
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stuff, and then looking at other things I got out of my funk.
you know, since I met you, and I've never been a big drinker in the first place.
I mean, like I said, when I was in college, I admit that stuff, but since I've met you andother people have listened to our conversations, I've become more, I've thought more if I
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was going to ever have a drink, which is interesting.
Here's the interesting thing.
My stepson got married.
last Labor Day.
And they got married in the Bighorn Mountains and then I took them to a camper later afterthe wedding party.
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But the first thing they said is they wanted me to take them because they knew I wouldn'tbe drinking.
And you know what, that's a badge of honor right there to me to say, you know, it's one ofthose deals.
I'm not saying that I haven't had a
beer, but it's one of those things that I don't need it.
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And I don't, I really don't, you know, I mean, I just heard Ricky, who's not on theepisode today, but he's been 70 days without any, I think it was 70 days without any
alcoholic beverage or longer.
wow, that's awesome.
You know, and me, it comes and goes.
don't need it.
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I just don't need it.
And it doesn't, I like to, because I like to get up in the morning and, and it'sinteresting how listening to you talk about not being able to sleep when you, know, what
alcohol, the effects of alcohol and stuff.
And I've argued this fact with a couple people.
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So thank you for helping me with my argument and saying, you know, it helps me with myanxiety.
No, it doesn't.
Cause your problems will be there tomorrow and sleeping part.
you know, I just, I just don't want to thank you for giving me these perspectives that Inever thought about.
Even though I wasn't, you come up like, this is a funny deal.
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Like the devil can be in this side, like on your shoulder.
Mm-hmm.
and Lacey Singleton's on my other shoulder.
not me.
Don't put me over there.
No, but.
you're the first person that comes up that in my mind, like, you know, not that I feel,but I feel like, what would Lacey think if I had a beer in my hand?
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it's not that you would think, I'm not saying you would judge me in some aspects, but it'slike, you have given me another sense of...
sense of not doing it like like you're one of my character people you know
Yeah.
Well, and that brings up a point that, you know, I have this conversation with tons ofpeople all the time because this is the thing.
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People will come up and say, well, I don't really have a problem.
I just like to have some beers sometimes.
And that's, mean, whatever, it's fine.
We're not going to like that.
I'm not going to look down at anybody and I'll have people, you know, like when I was inVegas, there was some situations where a friend or whatever, an acquaintance would
be drinking and I'd walk up and say, hi, how's it going?
You know, and they're like, I'm so sorry, I'm having a drink.
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And it's like, I don't care that you're having a drink.
I don't care at all.
That's not, you know, some people can handle it.
That's fine.
I can't, that's fine too.
but I just want to, I I'm glad that it creates the thought because that's, that's what'simportant because when it does get to that point where it's not just a few beers anymore.
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I hope that that thought remains.
And then I hope that Lacey is sitting there on your shoulder and you call her, you know,or call us over cowboy.
They can help you through that situation because that's, you know, in a world that's soconsumed and marketed to, and it's so acceptable to just like that.
That's what people look forward to.
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That's what their life revolves around.
That's what everybody does.
You know, it's, if you're hanging out with your friends while you're going to the bar,you're doing this or
getting drunk here, whatever the case.
you know, when it, when it, when you sit back and look at it because somebody else aroundyou is sober and you say, this is making me uncomfortable.
First of all, that's a sign of guilt and shame that's associated with being an addict.
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So if you're having those feelings and those thoughts, you should maybe do some selfreflection.
not to, not to be putting shame on anybody, but
There's that portion in recovery that's like, you are feeling guilty or shameful over thethings that you're doing, then it's a thought and it is something to be considered a
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little bit more seriously than the way that that person's been treating it.
And that's the first kind of intro and lead into recovery.
Because of course we do a meeting when we talk about guilt and shame for the first twomeetings, totally.
That's what it is.
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recognizing that and then learning how to let that go too.
And like, if you, if you do have one beer, you don't have to be guilty or shameful ofthat.
Maybe that guilt or shame carries over from somebody else in your life that has beenaddicted to something, but it doesn't have to be a guilt or a shame thing on either side.
But the fact that it makes you think is very important.
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And I, I love that we're thinking about it because in a world that's so consumed by it,thoughts aren't usually present.
And so.
If Sober Cowboy and Lacey on your shoulder with the devil on the other side is making youthink, then let's do it.
Let's keep doing that.
Well, exactly, because here's the, my problem isn't like, it's, I have troubles withpeople, like.
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Am I gonna have one or two beers and not wanna feel like I'm gonna get up in the morning?
So I won't, and that's just because I love seeing the sunrise.
I love living life and I don't want people, so here's my, I get preachy then to not onlymyself, but other people because then I start being like, you can get up on a Saturday
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morning and go see the sunrise and you can experience more life than you can in a glassand in, in,
I was talking to, I can't remember who I was talking to, but when, well, it was, actuallywas with Kelly and Lovelace and I, what fulfills you?
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And what fulfills me is those days that I have the peace, I have the view.
and I'm taking it in, I'm seeing everything around me and my heart is full, my soul isfull and you realize what you have and you say thank you for the surroundings and the
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people that you're with and that's what fulfills me.
And so that's my big deal is like, you know what?
I'd rather spend whatever on
gas and go to climb a mountain myself or whatever, then go have a few glasses of beer orwhatever.
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And I'm not, and like I said, like Lacey said to you, I'm not, I'm not, if you can handleit and do that, that's fine.
And I, and that's up to you.
But for me personally, it's like,
When you get up in the morning and you see what God has given you in unwrapping the nightand seeing the sunrise, that's some of the most beautiful and best things to me.
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And to have talked to, you know, to talk to people, I mean, I've talked to six, maybethat's a little high.
maybe five people that have been addicted or something like that in the Don't Die Rustypodcast.
And to see all them enjoying the best parts of their life now is amazing.
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And it's so different, the things that you do find that peace in, it's so different.
And so, and you can't tap into that until you decide to do it.
And once you do like that, life is so beautiful and it opens up so much.
And that's not to say that there's not hardships along the way, because there absolutelyare no matter what.
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But the way that you handle those hardships creates such an easier path than...
you know, relying on other outside things or substances to get you through it.
It's, it's a whole different way of living.
And we talked, we did talk in one of our meetings recently and it was, you know, I, I toldeverybody in there cause we have some fresh ones coming in on the year and which is
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awesome, but I'm like, you guys get to rebuild yourselves right now.
You get to rebuild how you handle this, what you do love, what you enjoy spending timedoing.
Cause it's going to look totally different than what you're used to when you are in thataddict mentality.
It's going to look.
Completely different because what used to be fun to me was sitting on the porch anddrinking 20 beers with my friends and getting drunk and yelling at each other and fighting
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But now like I don't want to do that.
I want to you know go spend time with people that I love in quality time not that kind oftime but quality time and you know, it looks completely different and so and in the way
you handle situations, so it's just Like that what you found that is your
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Solitude in your piece and going to hike to the sunrise and seeing that every morning,which I know you do That's that's your newfound peace and you know Everybody's just gonna
look different to we're all very different people and we like different things but there'sa whole nother world of even better things than the dopamine provided through addiction to
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whatever substance that that is that comes naturally and it's like
so much better.
Yeah, today, what you're kind of saying is kind of my post today, undone, rusty, my littleclip for tomorrow's episode, but I was stuck comparing myself to who I used to be.
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And I don't know if you saw that clip.
I would like you to listen to that clip when you get a chance sometime.
But it's, I kept on comparing myself to who I was.
And one day, and younger, know, I was just this and that.
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And one day I was driving down the road and I started doing that and I thought to myself,stop it right now.
Stop comparing and just.
yourself to who you were and remember who you are and When people can start seeing whothey are who they're changing who they're becoming and smile Life is just so much better
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You know, we've both been in those situations and that's why every success that you have Ismile and because I say, you know that girl is kicking ass and taking names and and
I appreciate seeing that.
And when you can cheer your friends on, because I think when I was, you know, I mean,everybody, think when they're younger, they get maybe jealous or whatever of other people
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having things that they don't have.
And they don't realize that, you know what, when you start changing yourself, maybe youwill have some of that stuff.
And I've, you know, I mean, you know, I mean, it's kind of like
in anything.
I mean, somebody gets a bigger buck, you wish you, you know, you're not, I mean, I'm not,no, I'd cheer him on.
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But, you know, you're just going, oh, my gosh, if I, you know, wish I could have beenthere or whatever, you know, or, or, you know, I mean, winning or anything or doing
whatever.
When you can start seeing that your life is changing and your dreams, you're tackling yourdreams.
That's what it's all about.
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Yeah, comparison truly is the thief of joy and that comes in so many different forms too,like comparing to your older or your younger self, comparing to your friends, the people
on like that social media.
There's so many things to compare ourselves to these days and it's just not worth it.
And you have to find, you got to find you and then you're going to shine brighter thanwhoever you're comparing yourself to anyway, once you do.
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And that comes through.
finding God and being able to bring that faith to light through yourself because there'sno, there's no better version than once you do that.
And that, like, like I said, with Jason, that grace and that, that faith flows out of youand it's, it's a different, it's a different glow that comes out, but that's because God
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thinks we're perfect in every way and he made us that way.
And so comparing us to somebody else, why would you do that?
to a perfect creation, you know?
Yeah, and you know, we gotta just realize we can strive to be the best we can be everyday.
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And if we falter, we need to give ourselves a little grace.
You know, cause...
for me and I and I think I can say probably you at one point for sure we're the hard we'reour hardest critics yes and we need to learn to give ourselves that grace you know and and
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when we started learning to give ourselves grace I'm not saying permission I'm sayinggrace like yes you have you stumbled
but we're gonna get back up and keep moving and not keep, not say, know what, stumble, laydown there, you know, roll around in the dirt.
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And we're saying, I'm saying stumbled, you got back up, wiped yourself off and we keepgoing.
And we do.
And that's the best part about what we're trying to do, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I agree.
we gotta, you know, everybody, just, it's never, rock bottom can always get lower if youlet it.
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So it's choosing when you decide enough is enough and want to step into that light and beable to proceed.
So.
Yes.
So, so anyway, you have anything else going on?
No, I've just been working.
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need to, I need to focus if we're going to talk about being critics on ourselves, I needto, which one of my goals this year was time management.
Cause I'm so poor at it.
I'll get locked on one thing and obsess over it until it's completed and completed the wayI want it and not get anything else done in between.
So right now this rodeo is taking on that form.
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And so like that, I need to do my own podcast and
and be reaching out to people like I was this time last year when I found you.
you know, there's a lot of things, but having that grace and also learning how to makethat time management into relax a little bit too, which is hard to do.
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I did this weekend and it was really nice.
was home and haven't been home, you know, very consistently on the weekends.
So it was nice to get some R and R and catch up and, but
By the way, if you do listen to Jason's podcast with us and then you want to go listen toJason's church, he's doing, I think, six weeks on relaxing and giving these, giving these
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issues, you know, to God and having that, having that day of rest and how important it isfor us, not only mentally, but physically too, but especially mentally, you know, and
that's where we, we, we lack as humans and especially in this culture that we're in rightnow, where it's just.
You know, we grind and that's what we're supposed to do.
And we're supposed to be hustling and making all this money and doing all this stuff.
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But you have to take care of yourself first and foremost.
So I'm trying to learn how to balance all of that.
And I know that it's, it is a balancing act, but you know, trying to do that and just,mean, I'm ready for the wind to stop blowing and be able to be outside a little bit.
Well, I will tell you that's that is from Colorado to South Dakota because that wind hasbeen blowing
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Gosh, it's so annoying.
I was at work the other day and they're always complaining about, you know, the snow orwhen it's cold and I don't ever, because I don't mind the snow and I don't mind the cold.
You can always bundle up and put more layers on, but there is not a dang thing you can dofor this wind.
I don't care if you put on a windbreaker, wind jacket, this and that.
(49:12):
It's terrible.
I hate it.
So that's the only kind of weather I really complain about.
But yeah, that's making us a little stir crazy, I think, and ready to...
You know, we're ready for spring and spring and summer.
So I don't know, Rick, I mostly just been working and I did go down to Texas for thatfellowship of the, of the cowboy church conference.
And that was really good.
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You know, met a lot of great people down there.
They've got some really wonderful things going on at those.
I attended two different cowboy churches bar none, which is Jason's and then cross brand,which was really cool.
And they've just got.
beautiful facilities and so many things to look up to and not compare to, but look up toand hope to be there someday in our own ways.
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So I hope that Sober Cowboy can provide that kind of facility and care and house of faithto people and house of healing.
So it was really an inspiration to be able to go down there and see the work that thoseguys and gals have put into those places and learn from them.
You know, they invited us in and fed us really good and it was lots of fun.
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I trying to think what else I've done.
did go to Fort Worth.
went to the stock show that was back beginning of February, which is one of my favoriterodeos out there.
So I won't miss that one.
That was, that was really fun.
I didn't get a whole lot accomplished.
I kind of was just hanging out at that one, but yeah.
So we've just been.
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busy.
There's been some local bull rides and stuff like that that we've been to and, you know,gearing up for the summertime.
There's lots of youth camps and of course rodeos and events that we're looking to be atand go to.
And so just trying to be out there in the world and talking to people and stuff like that.
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But yeah, just planning for this rodeo.
And then once that's behind me, I'll be able to lock in a little bit more.
Guess what?
We had to schedule my rodeo the weekend of the buck and horse sale.
Well, I, when you said that time, I knew it was.
I'm so sad, but there was there was nothing we could do.
My committee.
There was some members that that was the only weekend.
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And then of course there's the Colorado Pro Rodeo Circuit that's you know around here too.
And that was one of the only weekends that they didn't have any rodeos and I don't want tocompete with them.
You know, so it's that's when we had to do it.
So I'm sad this is going to be.
This would have been my third year in a row at the Buckingham Horsdale, so I'm a littlebit upset, but I'll make sure to not do that again.
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Well, that's, mean, I understand that, but, know, I'll see, you know, Cindy's actuallygoing to Alaska that weekend because her son graduates from fire school.
He's a paramedic, but he got into the Anchorage fire department and then she's going to bea grandma.
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So that's making her excited too.
but you know, you never know where Rick's vehicle might end up.
Well, if you go over there to mile city, you better send me a picture of the buck andshoots because I'm, I'm going to be sad.
well, if I get a picture of those buck and shoots, I'm really going to be excited insteadof sad.
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So
All right.
So, well, I'm gonna, instead of asking you what's a good life right now, because I thinkwe've talked about it and I know you're busy and you have all kinds of things going on.
So I'm gonna say, what fulfills Lacey?
Well, the little story that I told about connecting those people, stuff like that, whenthat happens, that keeps my gas tank off the E.
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That keeps me full.
That keeps me knowing that what I'm doing makes a difference.
And it's, again, not what I'm doing, but the path that I've been led to to fulfill theneeds and what I've been called to do.
You know, my purpose in this world is that.
And if it's...
If it's as small as connecting a couple of people to get a guy to rehab, then that's whatit is.
(53:24):
But that's huge in my book and that's, that's what fulfills me and being, you know, beingthe person that they come to when they need it or having these conversations in the middle
of a rodeo ground that, know, somebody lost their kid to addiction or lost their parentand being able to be a shoulder to cry on and a comfort for, for those people.
(53:45):
That's fulfilling.
I'm to a point in life where.
like that the most important things to me is spending time with the ones I love andworking as hard as I can at this purpose that I've been given and that's fulfillment.
Well, that is awesome.
Cause you know, it's all about making the right choices in life.
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And, and I know we were talking earlier before we got on about being tired and about, youknow, all this stuff and you're way busier than I am, but people don't realize the work
that goes into all this stuff.
Sometimes I don't think they do, but every time I get to have a conversation like this iswhat really, really keeps me going.
(54:33):
Yeah.
What keeps a fire burning?
When somebody says something and it strikes a chord.
So thank you so much.
You've struck a chord with me and if you ever need anything from me, know all you have todo is ask.
Yeah, well back at you because I know that I know that we're far away from each other andwe do try to check in you're you're better at that than I am you check in on me all the
(55:02):
time and every time you text and you're like, hey, I just hope you're good.
Have a good day.
I'm like Rick is so kind and sweet and that is so genuine.
So I appreciate you a lot too.
And even when I am busy and I'm like who's texting me and then I see that it's that andI'm like
I'm blessed and I'm blessed to be busy.
So we can't be complaining about those kinds of things, but I appreciate you a lot.
(55:26):
And yeah, I'm sad we're going to miss mile city, but we'll get together at some point,even if you don't make it to Pueblo.
If you do, let me know because we've got to you taken care of.
But yeah, it's it's really great.
And I appreciate you for again, allowing us to be here and for supporting sober cowboy theway you have.
(55:49):
Well, whatever you need and I suggest anybody go listen to Lacey's podcast.
and then go to the rodeo.
If you're close to Pueblo, go to the book and go to the, rough stock event, I should say,and, just, just support Lacey.
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I mean, I love that you can support don't die rusty, but Lacey is such a good person.
So anything you can do for official soul book.
Sober cowboy, go do that, please.
Thank you, Rick.
I appreciate you.
I appreciate you.
So everybody keep chasing your dreams, being the best you and of course don't die rusty.
(56:34):
Thank you.
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