DDR 069 - Judgemental - Don't Die Rusty Podcast

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Hello, don't die rusty nation tonight.
We have three of the red tactics here.
We have Ricky Brule We have at You're on drums tonight.
Well good.
I'm glad to hear that but you stole cowbell away from our other guest here Ashley curtainbout More cowbell more cowbell always and I want us and what I want to say uh

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Kelly Lovelace is not here today and I want to send condolences to him because his daddied.
And so I just want to say we're thinking about you, Kelly.
And then we have Rick Hansen who is trying to be, at least I'm not meatloaf right now.

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know, heaven can wait.
Huh?
I'll be old Bon Jovi.
uh It's interesting because I call you guys up with these crazy topics and questions and Isaid, you know, we've all seen the reel from Ted Lasso, be curious, not judgmental.

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And it's funny because I've been
You know how you, when you buy a car and then all of a sudden you see 10,000 cars of this.
mean, I'm that's, know, nobody had a Nissan Xterra until I bought one and now I see themall the frick over, you know, that kind of thing.
And it's funny because when that reel came out, then I started like feeling, I knew peoplewere judgmental and

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This is one guy that didn't give a darn in the right now.
I probably don't as much as I used to when I was younger, but I see it a lot and I'mgoing, how do we change people and make this a better world?
Because being, I'm there is, there is not some judgment is not bad, but being judgmentaland not curious, we don't know what that other person is going through.

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We don't know how many people have you walked up to and went, holy crap, did, that onesurprised me.
You know what I mean?
Like I didn't expect that to come out of their mouth.
Like they knew that, know, I always felt when I was a kid, I always felt like everybodythought you were a hick because you grew up in the country or went to a small town.

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And, when I, which is funny because I read a lot of books.
And knew a lot more than these people did, but I always felt judgment, judgment against mefor some reason.
then, know, then, you know, like when you're in high school too, or you're growing up, Imean, I felt like when you're trying to get in the dating scene and plastic surgery will

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never help this.
Uh, if you watch this on YouTube, you'll understand like nothing.
Yep.
So I was always felt judgmental about myself.
because I felt everybody was thinking, he's an ugly dumb ass.
I was like, I always felt like I was a fat kid.
thought that, people didn't say that.

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No, they didn't, but I felt it.
Oh.
That's where I'm going with the judgmental thing.
I felt like the fat kid that was always fun at the party, but I was still the fat kid.
I really wasn't fat, but you know what I mean.
Okay.
But where I'm going with this, I'll get back to, I think, cause I've seen a lot ofjudgmental people lately that

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I want to go up and say you can't change people.
If you change the way the judgmental people wanted you to change, they'd still never behappy.
It's one of those things.
And I wrote down a few notes, but judgment will never allow us to be the best version ofourselves if we aren't curious, if we don't ask these questions.

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So I just wanted to go like, I have another funny one and I listened to, I'm gonna takethis from one of our, uh
I've watched this YouTube video and stuff, but it also came from U S Supreme courtjustice.

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And he said, judgment is a lot like pornography.
It's hard to define, but you know, when you see it.
You you know it, but there's judgment and I've felt, I've been feeling this a while with afew people that I just want to know, what do you guys think about?

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being judged or seeing these people that are judgmental.
Because I don't think old people should be so judgmental until they look at themselves.
You're driving 20 miles an hour down the road, I'm going to be judgmental about you too.

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Well, I think we naturally, I don't know where I learned this.
learned this years ago, but we naturally judge people subconsciously without even thinkingit.
Yeah, there is times where you're actively thinking and saying things out loud when you'rejudging people, but you are all the time just walking through a crowd of people.
You're literally looking at every single person, whether you realize it or not, andjudging them.

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Like how in depth that judgment goes is different.
but I think it's human nature that we just automatically do it.
It's how we respond, probably verbally maybe is what you're getting at.
And like you were judging yourself thinking that was everybody else's thoughts m aboutyou, but that was just your internal dialogue of your own judgment.

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It was, it was.
So, mean, again, it's human nature to do that, but to what length?
to make the world a better place, probably just gotta keep your mouth shut.
I mean, some of it.
Yeah.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I think that, yeah, people just maybe need to learn to keep some of their thoughtsinternally.

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And, and then again, it goes back to the lasso thing, like Rick was saying is be curiousinstead of judgmental.
So, you know, to kind of let's go back to, I think maybe part of you might be going intothis Rick, but I think part of what kind of brought some of this up was the hike that you
did.
And, um, you know, when you told me that you guys didn't make it to the top, like rightaway, right away, I started thinking like, what the heck, you know, like, as you said, we

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got really close, but we didn't quite make it.
I'm thinking immediately my thought process in my head.
And I think this is going to be for most people, just like Ashley was saying is like yourfirst thought is man, all that time and all that effort and everything, but you didn't get
there.
And then.
the curiosity part, I think is, where people need to go.
Okay.
Well, before I started judging what, so what happened?

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Like what, you know, so when you started to kind of lay it out, it's like, okay, yeah,that makes sense.
You have to, and I won't get too deep into it because maybe you want to talk, talk alittle bit more about that, but, um, I, I, that's just an example, I think of where your
immediate thought is to, is to say that.
And especially like, you know, when you bring up, um, you know, like,

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Seniors, you know, I think that See, we're kind of in a time where we're liketransitioning more about where we actually kind of talk about things Seniors are just set
they're set in their ways.
Like You know my grandma before she passed God rest her soul.
I mean there were some things that she would say where I was like

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like grandma, we can't be talking like that.
Like, you know what I mean?
But it's just what you can't be at the same time, like you you grew up in a differenttime, right?
And so thankfully, I will never have to worry about you saying something like that with mein public.
Because I'm probably not gonna put myself in that spot.
But, you know, so yeah, I think Ashley kind of hit the nail on the head there with thatone.

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You're right, because I think like when I'll do the old people first and I'll go back tothe mountain part, but.
You have to learn to have a filter these days, because there's a lot of things that peoplesay, and it's mostly the older crew that don't, and they think they can say it because
they can say it.

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And there's some things that you just need to keep your mouth shut.
And they don't care about people's feelings.
I mean, there's some people like, here's what I do.
If you're going to be unfiltered with me.
and criticize me, I'm not gonna be around you.

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And I don't care about constructive criticism.
I'm talking about somebody that will find fault in whatever you do.
No, why would you waste life on that?
You're not gonna do that because as we get older too, our circles get smaller, right?
Our groups of friends, you wanna hang out with people who elevate you, who...

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like can match you, right?
So you're not going to hang out with somebody.
And if you are, it's toxic.
It's toxic and it's detrimental to your evolution of yourself.
You're not going to get better because they're just going to drag you down.
There are definitely people that are constantly negative and constantly judging.

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And I think what we've mentioned, as you get older, you've lived your life.
mean, in our life, just, Ricky said it.
Like even where we're at, you've been through so much.
This is what you believe.
This is what you like.
This is, and you don't care.
You stop caring what other people think.
But yeah, I've definitely, so much my dad, but my mom has definitely said stuff and mygrandparents for sure.

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Where I'm like, uh, we don't need them.
Just we could pass on that.
We don't need to say that again ever.
Especially not in public, you know.
And it's, it's not terrible things, but it's like, they don't think about therepercussions that can happen.
Right.
No, that can't from, saying something like that, even if you think, what somebody iswearing looks terrible.

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Just, just don't even just don't breathe it into existence.
Like don't mouth it.
Don't whisper it.
Don't just, just nothing.
Just, just leave it.
We let it just be a thought in your head.
Just move on.
And I agree with you there because of the.
Like I don't care if you don't like what I'm wearing and you're the fashionista of thewhole group too.

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But, uh, I mean, I wear what Rick wants to wear.
Right.
And I don't care what other people would think about that.
I wear things that are functional for me.
Right.
You know, and for clothes wise, but I think that as with the old people that like,

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I've been around where my mom said a few things that I went, you know what I mean, orwhatever.
now I like, I just don't.
There's there's a part about being mean somewhat in some of the things that are said,though, being judgmental, how many piercings does that guy have?

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I wouldn't do that, but.
Or look at those ugly tattoos or whatever, you know?
Well, you know, that's they say there's some truth behind it, right?
When you say it, you feel like, well, I wasn't really that serious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's probably some truth behind it.
Yeah.
And like climbing the mountain part, I felt failure anyway.

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And when I first.
When we decided not to go, cause I've never not finished anything.
Never.
Eight, we climbed eight, seven peaks last year.
We have done the five, every done six.
Everything's been easy.
Not easy, but tough, but finished.

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This one was tough on me.
And then for some people to say, you got that close and you didn't make it.
Well, you you weren't there.
And the people that are judgmental are usually the ones that are going to be sitting onthe couch.
Being the arm quarter.
Yeah.
You had to be there.
You were not there.

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And you probably couldn't even get a half a mile in from where I, we were, you know, ittook us.
We started at six and we were, we finally got back to the vehicle about three.
I mean, almost 12.
mean, seriously.
Yeah.
It was 12 hours of walking.

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don't think people understand at that elevation.
you didn't, you didn't, you were not there early enough to acclimate, right?
You didn't know that really that was slept.
was one of our problems because I, somebody, I'm not going to mention his name, but Troyforgot his shoes.
Oh yeah, that's right.
And that, I'm not saying that was a problem, but it's funny.

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It is a problem.
No shoes is a problem.
So we had to go into Moab and get him shoes.
Yep.
Which is another two hours not being up in the elevation or three.
And so we just got there, ate and slept and we were off and I, I'd got a little altitudesickness.

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I, was a little nauseated.
I didn't want to eat anything and little lightheaded.
And then there was snow and that wasn't a great combination.
Well, I saw the bruise on your shin from that rock roll.
I was like, my gosh, what happened?
mean, yeah, one slip again and.

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you don't know how the rocks were.
You don't know about other stuff.
Yes.
Did I, did I think we could do it in May?
Yep.
It's just about June and there was just a little snow.
you, I'm saying we're in by Moab.
You know, that's anyway.

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But that's I've never failed.
I did a hundred climbs.
I've done that and I've had people there.
It didn't feel so much like I was failing myself as much as I was failing people when youput it out on social media, you're climbing a mountain and then you don't.
But then that's why I put it out there.

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know, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
And we all need to learn and sometimes we lose.
You're passing judgment on yourself from other people that didn't even say anything.
And so who's the judgmental person?
No, I know.
It's, you know, and well, we've talked about this.
think we talked about this maybe not last fall hunting, but maybe the fall before, butwe've talked about when you get in situations, you've had enough life experience at this

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point in your life.
It's like, is this, you have to ask yourself, is this stupid?
Yeah.
Is this because there's no one you need to impress.
No, like honestly, not really.
doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks.
The older we get, the easier that is to say.
That's for sure.
Um, but, but it's, you do have to sit back and well, when we were briefly talking abouthunting before we got on here and you have to literally look at situations and go, cause

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you start getting mentally weird in.
It's not just altitude.
It's the wearing down of your body.
And I don't think we even realize how fast it's happening because we, think when you huntextreme conditions, you push through and you have to take a step back, like almost out of
body third person going, look at this scenario.

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If we were sitting on the sofa and we explained this to somebody, is this stupid?
Like, is this situation stupid to keep pushing forward?
Like, is it worth life and death?
Like,
to get to the top, would it be, if that's not worth it.
You'll hit another one, who cares, you'll do 100 more.
It is what it is.

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And that's where you had to go.
Yeah.
So, you were, no.
little bit about it in the in the previous episode to like, I think there's something tobe said, there's a certain amount of wisdom that should be praised when you make a
decision that, you know, when you do avoid threatening conditions, you know, I mean, I, Ihad the one like I was saying earlier, when we were talking, I had a trip up to the

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Boundary Waters, and it was like,
super windy, wind coming out of the wind coming out of the west the entire week, like Iwas out there for like seven days.
And I could not paddle myself against those those waves.
I couldn't I tried to get out just to even do some fishing and I couldn't I was literallymarooned out there until that wind died down.

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And first day I had I had a clear shot out I bailed and I bailed out two days earlybecause I didn't want to risk
you know, I was starting to run out of food, was it was the temperature was starting todrop, it was getting to be a pretty risky situation.
So it's just like, I didn't want to do it, you know, and if I was in my 20s, I probablywould have pushed through and who knows maybe got hurt, but I'm like, I can't risk it, I

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got to go, you know, and so just understanding that and and then you know, after Rickexplained it a little bit, it's like, yeah, of course, that makes perfect sense.
And to your point, I wasn't there.
You know what mean?
If Troy is, I've seen Troy in some pretty heavy duty terrain.
If he's freaked out, you know, like I've

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Yeah, so if I would have been 20, you're right, I would have probably pushed through notgiving a darn.
And if I would have been Kerry Dawson out and I would have been Kerry Dawson mountain andthat's was my mentality then.
But yeah, I didn't know that you're about stranded.
Did you feel like Gilligan?
Little bit, little bit.

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I was just wondering there.
I thought I'd lighten up the moment just a second.
But it's interesting.
oh I was listening and I uh can't think of the name, but I was thinking about this, that alot of judgmental, like really judgmental people

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Are actually narcissist.
I had that point rundown.
That's why I looked at my phone.
Cause I, um cause when you look at the root of that kind of opinionated judgmentalbehavior and you compare it, um, between which we've talked, I think we've talked in other
podcasts about this, confidence, versus arrogance and what causes that throughout yourlifetime.

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There's roots to it.
could be, it could be upbringing.
could be, I don't know, a couple of major events throughout your life.
So I think that's a point.
Cause I was listening to Ed Mila and gosh, I can't think of his name now.
He was on love love line.

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Doctor.
I can't think of his name.
But, but they were talking about.
The true meaning, the true definition of narcissism is being empty and unfulfilled.

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Because you're empty inside and unfulfilled, so you make yourself bigger.
You're more boisterous, you're more judgmental because you don't have that yourself.
And that's why I think you're judgmental because you have no confidence in yourself.
And I started looking at the people that I've been really watching as judgmental and Idon't think they do have the confidence in theirself.

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they look at, I look at you, I look at Ricky, I look at me and I know because we've beenon a mountain together, all of us.
And there's differences of being a narcissist and because
We talk about things and when you're judgmental, here's the other thing, you can't helppeople because you're judging them.

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You know, like if you're curious about them, you can find out what their inner workingsis.
And then you can help them if they have a slight problem or something else.
It's one of those things that I like to give and I like to help.

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and whatever I can do.
And I don't like screwing up when I give in help.
Because like, I don't want to help you out of the chair and then trip you and lay, youknow, have you fall on the floor.
But I want to help people.
That's why we do the podcast.
This is why I wanted to do the judgmental thing is because you can't be judgmental and bethe best version of yourself.

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No.
Well, OK, so I'm going to challenge that just a little bit.
Mm-hmm.
And only reason I'm saying that is because, and this maybe doesn't fall within the samekind of defining version of what you mean by being judgmental, but we briefly touched on

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the Myers-Briggs personalities.
There's 16 of them, right?
And so there's four different traits that make a person like their specific personalitythat they have.
And without getting too deep into it, you know, if for anybody who's curious, you can justresearch it.
Myers-Briggs, look it up.

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It'll give you some more details, but there's one, um, there's one trait and it's you'reeither a of judging personality or prospecting personality.
And so I happen to be a J or have a judging personality.
But what they're saying is basically what fits that bill.

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for the most part is that, like here's an example, I'll read it from this website I'mlooking at.
It 66 % of those with judging traits say they set specific goals that they hope toaccomplish each day.
And so when I think about somebody that might say, geez, I can't believe you went that farand you didn't finish, right?
Because their mindset is all about setting a goal and then checking the box at the end ofthe day.

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And so they may forego.
their safety to make sure that that happens.
then, and so, and then I saw I'm like thinking about what you're saying about narcissismand stuff like that.
And obviously that, that all goes back to, you know, probably some deep, some, somethingdeeper, right?
Something that happened in their life that, kind of created that for them and, and broughtthem into that, into that realm.

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But to go back to kind of what you were saying.
ah What was that last thing you said?
You can't be judgmental.
You can't be the best version of yourself if you're so judgmental.
Okay, okay.
um then the other thing is to as it says, like, you know, the downside with that is, isthey, you know, some people may take it too far, right?

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Like those are the judging traits sometimes come across as really rigid.
And most are not unreasonably stubborn, but
You know, and it says I'm just gonna read this verbatim.
This is important to remember their need for structure always is a preference and a realand reality often calls on them to respond in unforeseen ways and so Again, like I think

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it's I think you can be a judgment you can have that judging personality type, but youhave to learn how to keep it like Get some curiosity in there as well.
So then that that way before you start blurting out
whatever it is that you know, your, your judge, your personality wants to say, you have toflex that muscle a little bit more to be like, you know, more curious and then in turn, I

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think you can then be living your best life.
Well, I look at it and it's interesting.
I would agree with you there, but I look at it as if I'm judging somebody, I'm not goingto go and I think that they might be different than me and I do not go talk to them.
But then I may have lost out on a uh friendly relationship or who knows, who you know,first.

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Yeah, I understand like
Everybody judges.
I'm not going to say I don't judge.
I'm not saying that it's wrong in some aspects because your, your parents, your, you'regoing to judge somebody if they're coming to do a job interview, you're going to judge you

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because that's the name of the game.
You have to judge who's going to be the best candidate for a job.
have to judge, but I'm curious enough to go.
You guys both know I'd.
I'll walk up and talk to just about anybody.
And who knows if I was judging that person, you know, I'll walk away if they turn out tobe a dumb ass, but how do you, how do we know until we go chat with them?

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Mm-hmm.
I think what Ricky was kind of saying is with the judging like mentality, I think it's athought process of how people work when he brings up structure and things like that.
It's a thought process of how you go through things.
You know, when you initially told them the mountain climbing story, his his brain went tothis was the goal.

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This is the start.
This is the end.
Yeah.
Now we did.
90 % we didn't get to the end and you know maybe his thought process just doesn't itdoesn't even take into consideration all the other little things it's just like this is
the start this is the finish why didn't we why didn't why didn't we get these steps somaybe in in that way of thinking it's just a different process right but then when you're

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talking about and you're almost talking about two different things you know yeah it's athought process versus actually
having judgment on people and holding that to them, whether you vocalize it or not.
And Ricky's kind of talking about a thought process of things where in his head he'sjudged, not you, cause you're kind of talking about judging, but he's judged the situation

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going, why would, why, why would you not finish?
You know, and not nuts.
Yes.
the question.
He answered it without me even asking.
But again, to just come straight out and you know, if you're like you said, with thatrigidity and if you're not being, if you're not adding some, um, you know, empathy into

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the comment that you're making, then it can really come off like, you know, like the way asenior probably would.
Yeah.
Well, and it can be overbearing.
It can be a very, you know, when it's said without any, like no regrets.
You're like, Right.

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Because it is funny because Ricky is the thought process person and I'm not.
I'm the fly by the seat of your pants.
Let's go see what happens.
Just jump in the car.
Let's go.
Don't you know?
Cindy is more of the thought process person.

(29:47):
Where are we going?
I don't care.
Just jump in the car kind of thing.
Ricky wants to know where he's going and how we're getting there.
would assume, and I'm the one, let's just, let's fill up with gas and see where we end up.
But yeah.
but I generally speaking, I would agree with that, you know.

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And that's why we make a good team.
Cause you're more of the thought presses and I'm more like, let's just do it, dude.
Yeah.
And if you can, and if you were to ask Susan, she would think it, she, cause she's like aplanner, like way more than I am.
Like I, I like to, I like to go with the flow.
Relatively speaking, she would be like, well, you don't ever plan anything.

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It's like, well, okay.
If I got a hunting trip or if it's something like that, I'm all over it, man.
I am very detailed that right down to the every little thing I pack is right where itneeds to be.
You know, but then it's just like.
We go on a trip with the kids and she's like, do we, if she didn't do anything, we'dliterally show up at the beach and we'd have nothing.

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We'd have no toys for the kids to play with.
We'd have no sunscreen.
We'd have no bug spray.
oh
Jesse's like what time are we leaving?
Where are we going?
What the weather?
What's the weather gonna be?
How many bags are we allowed to pack?
Are we packing food or are gonna buy it there?
How far are we gonna go before we first stop?
Yeah, that's Jesse's process And I have to admit this is a true story with your husband.

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Yeah, I Do things because he is that way, you know, I like to rebel against him
You know, I like to throw him off because it drives me nuts being so rigid.
And I like to just, well, it's like when we went to Cody.

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every day to him.
That poor guy is just like, I have a plan.
I married a tornado.
If he didn't know how to adapt before, he's had to learn a lot now because it is not thesame.
We are not the same.
Well, it's funny because he's in trouble when we both go on a trip with him because wewent to Cody and when we are on our way back, Cindy was there too.

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you know, what are you guys doing?
Well, there's snow over there.
We're going to go jump in the snow.
oh We're going to take a picture.
needed the reasons why.
Yeah.
And we went and did that.
And then we get down into Buffalo and he says, well, there's a nice sports shop down here.
We're right in front of it.
We're going to go inside.

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It's like when I just, I rebel against, it feels like I'm just rebelling.
I don't know why.
just like to be free.
just want people to loosen up.
You're the personality that likes to come in, loosen people up.
That'd be so uptight.

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Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Jesse's had a like.
I've put him in a lot of situations when we've been out of the country.
This is a problem.
If I don't have a job and I'm on vacation, I'm not actively doing something.
Yeah, there's no telling.
There's that guy has been so nervous so many times.

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He hates leaving the country.
And then when I go off the resort and he's like, it's just balls to the walls.
And he's like, what, what, hold on.
What are we doing?
Just loses his mind, loses his mind.
Cause I mean, we've talked before.
I I was in Jamaica and I've seen big joints and been in places where I didn't think Ishould be the bushes.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
That kind of stuff.
But you want to hear something funny though?
Cause about, so I went up to Deadwood last Friday and I got Cody Jinx tickets.
You're wearing a Cody Jinx shirt.
got Cody Jinx and wore Davis.
tickets and I pulled into the parking lot knowing that and this is no kidding.

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I'm walking down from getting tickets and I got a parking ticket.
Okay.
And I saw that guy and I saw that guy and it was a lady and she just looked at me and Iknew I was wrong.
Cause I didn't do so.
I jumped into my pickup and leave and

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I didn't pay my ticket right then.
And then it's like a little receipt, you know, it's like that you can scan and then youcan pay.
get home and Cindy and I went somewhere and I cleaned out my pickup and that receipt gotthrown away.
Okay.
So we took our baseball kids to Louie's on Sunday to have a burger.

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And you've been to Louie's too, haven't you Ricky?
All right.
So Cindy's driving.
And we drive into Deadwood and we're by the parking lot I got the ticket from and We'recoming up in the stoplights red and I can see across that.
There's a parking ticket guy And I said pick me up over there and I jumped out of the carand went to ask him how I could pay my ticket and Cindy's like swearing at me and those

(35:12):
You know what I mean, but just like
What are you doing?
You know, you're jumping out in the middle of traffic here.
said, well, there's the, was a red light.
I knew I saw him and I needed to figure out how to pay this ticket.
But Cindy's starting, you know, I mean, she's used to that stuff.
Yeah.
But it's funny because the two kids, I know what she was probably saying about me and thetwo kids are in the car.

(35:36):
She's just probably going off.
But, that's, that's the, you know, I mean, she's more of a like.
See, they probably all judged you right away, but then they're like, actually, it's prettysmart.
You just got it figured out.
And it scared the guy because I walked up to him and I said, hey, how do I pay my parkingticket?
He said, well, can, you can, uh, you can challenge this.

(35:58):
And I said, no, I got it the other day and I was in the wrong.
I just need to how to pay my parking ticket.
uh But it's, it's where I'm going with that is like, it's funny.
The rigid part.
They probably judge me, that is I rebel against sometimes against the rigid structure.

(36:23):
And I think that sometimes that's me, but I want to get back into this.
I'll circle back and Ricky, you said something that I wrote down here that we didn't talkabout older people.
I'm gonna say an older than myself, but.

(36:44):
You're not in your golden years yet, buddy.
but our friends in the golden years will say how many of them they're judgmental, but theyalso don't have empathy for people.
see a lot of people that don't have a lot of golden generation people that don't haveempathy for people.

(37:05):
Like, and I think it's they're judging people because they
They aren't as bad off as that other person so they can judge them and they don't feelsorry for them.
Or they won't help them.
Or they've been through so much they're like, I can judge you because I've been through itall.
Yeah.
I just thought Cindy and I were talking about that, the lack of empathy with older people.

(37:31):
First of all, like we were talking earlier with the filter.
You don't need to say some things loud.
It's like, shut the heck up.
Yeah.
And you don't know what that person's going through and you don't know what's going on.

(37:51):
And if we can help them become a better person, a better version of themselves,successful, why wouldn't you have a little empathy?
I'm not saying we need to go give everybody $10 or whatever.
You know, like a standing on a street corner.

(38:13):
I'm saying, and I'm not talking about prostitutes.
I'm talking about, like a left turn.
I'm to you turn 180, but I'm saying like some people need to help themselves out ofsituations, but I'm saying we could have empathy for situations.

(38:35):
yeah.
Well, when they say I'm unapologetically myself, it's like,
that's a really good thing.
But I think people are doing that because again, it's what you've been through.
It's what you've lived through and you...
You're talking about the older generation.
Let's just take that to the younger generation.

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And all of us are like, you know, I bet you I take multiple phone calls a week that saysnobody wants to work, you know?
And so we judge them.
And we're like, why start working in fifth grade?
Yeah, you know, working multiple jobs, all of us sitting here work multiple jobs.

(39:18):
There's not a one of us that does one job, but.
take 20 years off our life and a 20 year old is like, well, I might 10 hours a week isprobably all I have to give.
you um, so you could, I mean, we judge that we do, you know, we do, we judge it.

(39:43):
And so we look at that.
Why?
Because of how all of us grew up.
That is, that is why.
because we worked young and hard.
And so we say things out loud.
Now, it's probably not as aggressive as what and rigid as what you're referring to oncertain subjects.

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But we'll say, yeah, well, nobody wants to work or you don't work hard.
There are some that do, but really, we're doing that.
That's true.
At this stage.
Because of how our experience of life, we, and like I grew up a farm kid, you're up a farmkid, you didn't have a choice of what, you had chores, you just, you might gotta choose

(40:30):
which ones, but you didn't have, you didn't have a choice.
So you were like, it was beat into you from a young age, but now we, we judge, you know,all that.
I just had this conversation with somebody buying their first car too, or their kid'sfirst car, you know.
Like you still see the same scenario as when we were in high school.

(40:54):
Some kids have the nicer cars.
Some kids have the other cars.
Kids still have to buy their cars.
I don't know how you guys grew up.
If you had to pay for part of it or parents floated you, whatever that looks like.
Right.
But immediately you judge and you're like, why would your parents buy you a $20,000 carnow?
Yeah.
I got a piece of crap.
You know, so we're, mean, we're doing it, but I don't think we're probably.

(41:18):
voicing it as aggressive as what we probably, I hope not, in 30 years, 40 years.
If I'm still walking this earth, I hope I have a filter.
I just, so, and I don't mean for this to sound like.
The golden, the, friends in the golden years are, are, are hopeless.

(41:43):
I don't mean for it to sound this way.
So I apologize, but the way I see it is, and just like I said with my grandma, you knowwhat I mean?
Like I wasn't going to try to correct her when she was saying those things.
I mean, it's, you're kind of a, not to say again, you're a lost cause, but it's just,you're set in your ways.
It's just the way it's going to be.
Like I, you might consider what I'm saying, but

(42:04):
Maybe my grandma would, my grandpa would just be like.
Don't you feel like when you're around somebody that is rigid with opinions like that?
Okay.
And they say something and you're around and you've heard it equally with somebody else.
You immediately are like, don't judge me.
That wasn't my mouth, but I am with this person.

(42:26):
I mean, that is part of it.
You get worried about judging.
You're like, ah then if it's blood, it's probably worse because you're like cut from thesame cloth, you know?
So.
But there are people like our age that I might, you I may be like, well, dude, you know,you know, there might've been some people in the room where you're like, man, you know,

(42:46):
you really gotta be careful about the things you say.
you know, stuff like that where I might, but you know, some older folks, I'm just like,Pat on the head and didn't know, it's all going to be okay, buddy.
You know, like, I don't know.
I don't know how else to say it, but that's immediately where my head goes where I'm like,I don't know how you can change that.

(43:06):
You know, I'm sure you can and you can try, but, um, you know, yeah.
you, cause they're, they're old enough that they wouldn't, but you hear it.
And that's what that's, that's just like, and I am judgmental.
I'm not saying I'm not judgmental, but you're right on the, you're right on the workingpart.

(43:30):
I just hear it every week.
That's why I bring that up.
I do know kids that are working their asses off.
I'm not saying that there aren't kids that aren't working their asses off.
I've never like, cause I try to tell these people and then I've never seen so many peoplethat are so sickly.

(43:51):
And I'm saying, you know, I was in high school and if I got home late and I was prettygood about curfews, but there's a few times I wasn't good about curfews and
I had, it's raining out, so you don't think you're going to hay.

(44:12):
And I was out raking, I was changing rake tees at six in the morning with three hourssleep.
And you learned a lesson and we would learn lessons.
Like you go out and you still work, you know, you go have your fun and then you go work.
And I think, all of us did that.

(44:33):
And now it's like, I'm going to call in sick and who cares.
And that bothers me.
Like I've been kicked in the head and stomped and I've broken just about an ankle andstill kept on working.
And I look at my, and I'm going, really?
Like you have a hangnail and you're going to want to go home?

(44:56):
That's what I'm saying.
You're judging them.
You don't know.
Sorry.
That hangnail is pretty.
Yeah.
And I'm not, like I said, I am judgmental in that area and I'll go with that.
I'm sorry.
all are.
It's human nature.
is.
It's, but to be the best version of yourself is it does take willpower to just disregardit.

(45:18):
It does.
And we've talked about this before, how some people can harp on things and they replay itand replay it and replay it in your mind again and again and again.
And that is again, how people do that and fixate on
I am not one of those because I will not remember stuff.

(45:40):
Someone will be like, remember what someone said about you.
That was like a dig towards you.
It's to your face.
I'm like, really?
I had no idea.
Just oblivious.
Like I don't digest it.
Like it is what it is.
And some people say things or they say it wrong or incorrectly.
And I'm not going to sit there.
Even if you want to pass judgment on me, that's fine.

(46:01):
Like it, I'm not everybody's cup of tea.
We're not all gonna be, so you can judge me.
It's okay.
I leave the judging to Jesus for the most part.
So.
Exactly.
On our judgment day.
Yeah, exactly.
Because I don't gotta worry about it.
It like, people piss me off and I'm like, you know what?
Someday you're gonna answer for that.

(46:21):
So I'm just gonna leave my thoughts in my head and you're gonna answer for it someday.
I firmly believe that and I tell myself that all the time when I get really, really madwith somebody I'm like, you know what?
I don't have to answer for you.
You'll have to answer for yourself eventually.
I mean, believe in karma.

(46:42):
Oh yeah.
I truly believe in karma.
like you said, I've, know people say stuff about me.
I'm certainly used to that stuff, but I don't care anymore as much as I used to.
I, you, you, I think there's that.

(47:02):
where you get your peace.
Now, I was gonna do a couple posts about this in the mornings.
It's like, what has brought me peace is figuring out that I'm not invisible, figuring outthat people aren't invisible and helping those invisible people have a voice.

(47:24):
And the other one was, um geez, I had two of them.
And it was like, really am happy that I have confidence in how I got it.
Confidence is a big deal.
And there's a point in your life that you have to figure out that you have confidence.

(47:50):
And that's why I think that when we're so judgy, we don't have confidence in our, youknow, we have to have confidence in ourselves.
It's an arrogant person, as we were talking earlier.
that has to tell people they're good.
It's confident people that don't have to say anything.
yeah, I just thought, like I said, I've been around all these judgment, judgy people.

(48:16):
So I just thought um this would be a great conversation to have with you, with theRicktastics.
There's plenty of people out there that are even people pleasers.
We all are to a certain extent, some more than others, but it really bothers people onlike certain personalities.

(48:38):
can really bother someone when somebody is judging them.
And again, that's your experience in life, what you've been exposed to, how you handle it,how you overcome it.
And so I think.
No, it is a good topic because everybody does care and social media that is 1000 % proofthat everybody cares What other people think is what you put out?

(49:06):
You know, I snapped last week on the phone because I I had dealt with I had I had dealtwith a number of personal things that last week and I snapped and that person has no clue
no clue why just thought was probably being a bitty
for a second.
Okay.
So I snapped.

(49:27):
So, it was a lot and I was handling, it was handling stuff.
We had some family things.
There's been a number of deaths like around me and I was just, it was, it was a lot toeven process.
And you know, I'm sure the, the person on the receiving end of the snapping probably waslike, Holy crap.

(49:48):
You know, it wasn't bad.
It wasn't terrible.
It's not like I went off or anything like that, but
Again, when you say you don't know what you're going through, that is a prime example andthat can happen to anyone anytime.
It can change by the hour.
You have no idea.
Just like Kelly last week.
mean, you experience, have something that suddenly happens.

(50:08):
have no idea.
know, the rest of the world does not know what's going on, but yeah, we're going to judgesomebody or somebody just looks like absolute crap and you haven't seen them forever.
Like, geez, what happened to them?
You know,
God knows you have no idea.
Like, so I mean, we all judge all of us.
It's it's how you portray it, I think, into the world.

(50:31):
And if you got the willpower to know when to say things and when to not, it's and it's theunder the breath things too that drives me insane.
Like, why?
Why say that?
Just don't say it.
Just don't say it at all.
You know, but people have this need to get it out of their system.
And I have the hardest time when I go out to eat with people, this is probably, I, I don'tknow if you guys have bartended or served or like bust tables at all, anything like that.

(51:01):
I've done loads of it.
And when we go out to a restaurant and somebody is, if I'm sitting at a table, somebody inlike, geez, this, you know, whatever.
Well, a lot of times in the service industry, you don't get a day off.
You don't get to call in.
You don't, you know,
You have to deal with all kinds of personalities constantly.

(51:22):
No one's ever like, not no one, but there is a good chunk that are not satisfied.
I mean, you could never, there's some people you'll never please.
And it's not just, but when I sit at a restaurant and somebody's like, well, geez, da dada da, I'm like, come on.
Like, you don't know.
You don't know what if that person has covered a quadruple shift in a row because somebodyelse decided not to show up and they're doing it for their employer.

(51:48):
not just for themselves, you know.
said this to some people where I feel like...
Everybody should have to like when you become an adult for you to go and eat at arestaurant, you have to take a test.
And that test is, is that you have to work in the service industry for one day.

(52:11):
That's anything you have to be a checkout clerk at Target to shop there so that you canunderstand what that's like.
Because to your point, you know, like I, bartend and serve right now, you know, two tothree nights a week.
And for the most part, most of the people are pretty good.
And I think a lot of it has to do with your attitude too.

(52:31):
Like I'm just, part time, right?
So I, it's not my main gig.
So for me, it's a little bit of a reprieve almost, you know what I mean?
And I sit and I talk to people and I, you know, chum it up with them and stuff like that.
And so it's not too much for me, but I see some of the full-time people and I just seethem.
They're just stressed out.
They're angry.
They're throwing out colorful language.
They're not, you know, they're complaining about their tips.

(52:53):
And I'm like, well, you're
Why would they tip you well?
You're not treating them well, you know what mean?
So it's kind of like a downward spiral, but at the same time, being in that space, likewhen I have, if I am, if I have a server or somebody that is rude or doesn't seem like
they're, you know, I still, I give them the straight up standard tip.
don't, I don't usually change it unless they have to be really off the hook for me to,know, and in those cases, I'm, I might even actually like pull them aside and be like,

(53:23):
dude, like what
you know, what are you doing?
Like calm down.
sometimes it's just that that can change their day, right?
Like if they're having a bad day, sometimes it's despite them having a poor attitude,giving them the standard tip or maybe even above might help with that.
ah But then so this whole thing started making me think about what you said about you'reonly concerned about the judgment from Jesus.

(53:48):
And so then it made me go down this whole like rabbit hole thinking about how
Like I, all three of us, like I know deep down, we're all very good people, right?
But where are we probably the most judgmental in our cars?
You can argue this with me, but man, I have thrown out some pretty colorful things thatpeople, I know they probably have no idea, you know?

(54:14):
And it's funny because like, you know, there'll be some times where you're like, I'm likecursing at somebody that's driving what I would perceive as being bad.
And then I go past it and it's like this little old lady, you know, and I'm like, Oh man,I'm like, I'm, you know, and then I'm just like, man, I'm sure she's a wonderful person.
I'm, sorry.

(54:35):
You know, like Lord, don't judge me, you know, like that, because I was just like, Oh boy.
You know, so there's been some moments where I'm just like super angry, like road ragingbecause somebody is going too slow or.
not driving to my standards or whatever it may be.
And then all of a you're just like...

(54:55):
You want to know how judgmental I am is literally did a speech class on old peopledriving.
How frustrating it is.
And a whole speech and I think it's recorded somewhere.
Oh, I should ask my mom if she still has it.

(55:16):
But I, I think the, uh, I was supposed to be influential maybe that we should takedriver's license sooner.
There's, I have no idea, but that is a valid point.
I agree.
Didn't you see that stop sign?
Can't you speed up?
What the heck?
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
You're trying to be the speed cop and slowing everybody down.

(55:39):
Driving in the left lane.
Under the speed limit.
uh I've seen that in Spearfish.
I've seen an old lady drive all the way down in the turning lane.
going, Oh my gosh.
You know, and don't run into me, you know, you get by him, but what do you do?
And it's funny when we were coming back from Utah, we stopped to eat and this guy circledaround and this car's coming and we're going to want somebody's going to die here.

(56:09):
And luckily the person coming at him, he just pulled out right in front of everybody orhonked.
I said, you know what?
And here's my judgment.
There's only one way in and one way.
If they would add rec, we would have to sit here longer.
Right.
I'll tell you what, you put your name and your phone number on your vehicle.

(56:29):
Oh yeah.
You get a lot nicer on the road whenever they notice who you are.
I'm like, please don't call my cell phone.
Yep.
My hands have done some nasty things and yeah.
I agree with you, Rick.
That's probably the worst judgment place that there is.

(56:50):
Well, that or I suppose probably behind a kind of computer screen, I suppose.
I think that that is probably probably contributed to people maybe being a little bit morebold in life.
Like maybe, you know, because it's so easy to judge people, right?
Online.
um And and it's like it's funny.

(57:14):
I just was thinking about this.
ah I saw there's a post that came out today.
There's a class action lawsuit against the archery trade association and a bunch ofdifferent manufacturers in the industry for price fixing and all this stuff.
And so I'm so this guy gets on there and he's ran raving about how, all thesemanufacturers are living on a high horse while the consumers are suffering because the

(57:39):
prices are increasing dramatically and all this stuff.
And so they're basically saying that the manufacturers are price fixing and that's
they're ripping people off.
And maybe there are some companies, I suppose, but in any in any case, so this guy wasjust talking about, uh you know, all these like, like as if some of these executives like

(58:01):
in the archery industry are like NBA basketball players, like they have private jets andlike all this stuff.
And I'm like, I'm like, I don't normally chime in on these kinds of things, because theyjust usually don't go well.
But I just had to say something.
like, unless you've worked in the manufacturing space, I was like, you might want to like,I don't think the profit margins are as high as you think.

(58:28):
And, you know, it's like, there's a lot of different factors.
You've got your federal excise tax that archery companies have to pay.
You've got, you know, so that's 11 % off the top of your profit right there.
Then you've also got, you know, astronomical liability insurance.
um
just because of the liability that comes with selling those types of items.

(58:49):
And then on top of that, you've got consumers that want made in America.
They want all these bells and whistles.
And then they want lifetime warranty.
You know what mean?
So was like, maybe we should look at some of that being the driver.
You know, the demand of the consumer is part of what's driving those costs up.
You know, and then he just like, then he just came at me hard, like having a bad day hard.

(59:13):
And I was just like, whatever.
I didn't even respond to it.
didn't even go at it.
But it's just like, it is funny how like, I feel like if I had been having thatconversation with that individual in person, it wouldn't have come out the way it did.
You know?
Yeah.
You know, and this is, and it's Rick 2.0 on your, is this handle here, folks?

(59:35):
I'm just kidding.
You know, if you just read the comment sections, you know how some people have that wittyhumor.
That's more like me.
So I read it.
I'm like, Oh my God, that's so funny.
You know, and then you read people are like, you're so insensitive.
It's just right underneath.
know, but it's just the different personalities and they're all judging each other andthen they're fighting on it.

(59:57):
Like.
And when you read it, you're like, this is so trivial.
is so stupid.
It's like, what are you, it doesn't even matter.
You guys would get along and you're just reacting based on your day, essentially and yourpersonalities and how you respond to things.
You know, I'm like, this is not serious.
These people don't even know.

(01:00:18):
when you read, sometimes I just get, there was a, well, one of the best comment sections.
If I can find the post, I'll send it to you guys.
But they analyze South Dakota into this is terrible.
I can't now that I'm thinking about what I'm about to say, but it was like the most likelycity to get laid, right?
It was based on how many bars and it's like Sioux falls at like eight bars.

(01:00:43):
Okay.
Forget what this little like compilation that somebody threw clearly not from SouthDakota, right?
Put out there just comments.
beyond and I got lost.
I was like, this is amazing.
like people were coming in, like I went to USD, I went to SDSU, that city's way morelikely.

(01:01:05):
And you know, like the number one, think it was like Aberdeen and in the comments, therewas like, well, I live there and I think it's great.
I don't even see how this thing, they're like, oh my God, there's nothing to do here.
Of course that's all we know.
It's just like, it's just totally different, right?
But then you get people who take it so seriously and
Yeah.
Like to strangers and they argue and they're all judging each other.

(01:01:27):
And then it gets way out of control and it tail spins and it's like, geez.
But I mean, that's a perfect example.
And meanwhile, the moderator, not the moderator, but the originator of the post is justsitting back and just enjoying all of the engagement.
Both good and bad.

(01:01:49):
It's all good if you just...
walk away.
Oh, just like Elon's post when he left Trump and he was like, yeah, he's an Epstein.
Like, boom, comment section.
Yeah.
man.

(01:02:11):
Gosh, it's just, it's, but yeah.
So we all judge.
do.
And you know, you were talking about the service industry that you guys are in, in therestaurant and you want to know a tough one is like me being in the lumber industry.
Like everybody wants a straightest board.

(01:02:32):
Yeah.
You know, it's the way it is and they don't want knots in it and they want the straightestboard.
Well, you would hate me.
You would hate me.
And, I have a few people who come up, do you have any straighter wood?
said, well, here's the deal.
You know, they're made out of trees.
If you want the straightest board, better get steel studs.

(01:02:56):
You know, it's, and I always say, are you a carpenter or a craftsman?
A craftsman would get those to work.
Yep.
Just need to have the right females.
it's just amazing the number of people that nothing's ever good enough for them.
And then you got the other one.
All this work.

(01:03:17):
I never I don't ever complain because there was that one time I was in the lumber yard.
I don't complain.
The guy was helping me and he's like, well, we only have this many left.
And he pulls them out.
He's like there was one that was like pretty crooked.
And I looked at it.
He's like, is this OK?
I was like.

(01:03:37):
Yeah, I guess.
It's like, you want it or not.
I guess I'll take it.
I got to say, you know, I'm the guy at home Depot and I'll have a pile of lumber out herein front of the, the normal pile.
Cause I'm going through every single one of them.
Right.
And I'll, I'll, I'll spend an hour till I get all the boards straight as can be.

(01:03:57):
Rick's just, you know what always blows my mind is I love it when I get, get down to like,okay, every loose board I've gone through them all.
And now you've got.
pile of them that are banded.
And I love it when you when you pop the band, you know, and for the boards literally curlup into like the letter C, you're like, how is that even possible?

(01:04:25):
It's in the pile as straight as can be.
You pull up and this is the Home Depot man, like you've seen the meme where they sourceall their two by fours.
And then there's a picture of like a bunch of super crooked trees.
But yeah, I'm I'm that guy.
I'm sorry, Rick.
But I will say that I will never put it on anybody else.

(01:04:47):
Like I'll sit and I'll go through the trouble of looking through them all myself.
I'm not putting it on.
I'm not blaming it on.
you mess up our piles.
So, and that's right.
So you want that delivered?
Here's what I do when you want that delivered.
You can take this and shove it.
so you want me to deliver that wood and you need like treated for plate and you need allthis other stuff?

(01:05:12):
Guess where the plate's going to be?
On the bottom.
And I'm going to do that on purpose.
I did this to one guy because he, messed up all my piles.
Oh man.
And he messed them up and I took out everything he needed.
First was all on the bottom.

(01:05:33):
So you're going to have to mess up your piles too.
And he never messed up my piles again.
um lesson learned.
And for the record, Rick, I don't leave the piles.
I'm just getting fired up.
all.
And then she said, he's like, don't unorganize the boards.
I do, I do kindly stack them back, but not like perfectly, but it, this brings up anotherthing too.

(01:05:57):
Like I, I took a part-time job at Duluth trading company just to get their clothesbasically.
And, uh, I used to, you know, you'd go into a store and you'd pull up a shirt and you'dlook at it.
And then I would just like put it back down and just be like, whatever they pay people tofold that stuff.
After working at Duluth trading company for a little while, was like, no.

(01:06:17):
Never doing that again, because it is the most annoying thing.
You're sitting there and they're just plain t-shirts.
They're they have color, different colors.
It's just a plain t-shirt.
That's all it is.
But ladies come in to buy shirts for their husbands and they got to open them up and thenthrow it down and every color, every size, you're just like, seriously, you just I just

(01:06:41):
went through all that lady.
Yes.
the ladies.
Yeah, it's true because there's variations.
Can be.
mean, you, have a clothing store, so you maybe I'm guessing you get some of that stuff,but I'm just, oh my gosh, I've just, that's all I do is fold clothes.

(01:07:04):
Just the whole time I'm there, just folding clothes.
have people try on the exact same shoe in the exact same size.
Because it might fit different.
Really?
Oh my gosh, that would be fun to.
or pants or shirts same exact thing but this one might be different

(01:07:28):
Well here's the deal.
fits.
Same size, but they're like, yeah, it fits great.
I'll take it.
bit, I'm not going to lie.
There can be variations.
It's manufacturing.
is, there is error, right?
Don't be like, I feel like this one's just a little bit like snugger.
I like it.
Fine.
mean, is that after they ate and before they ate?
Who knows?

(01:07:49):
We don't serve enough alcohol.
Well, the one thing about it that you don't have to worry about is Ricky and I won't comeinto your store and try on clothes.
Well, we have unisex tees.
can.
Jesse just bought a shirt from there the other day for the concert.
Alright Rick, going trap mode.

(01:08:09):
t-shirt.
Challenge accepted.
I'll go look through all the t-shirts, Yeah.
We have guys that buy our hats and our t-shirts.
I'm folding them.
No.
That's so funny you bring that up because when I first started working retail, I sucked.
I sucked at folding t-shirts and they fold them.
I don't know how Duluth did it.

(01:08:30):
If they were more square, these were narrow stacks like this, long, narrow.
It is incredibly hard to fold t-shirts.
that skinny and I will never forget.
I folded a whole table and I don't know how many were on there, but it was, it was a lot.
Okay.
And my boss had come over and it's like, this is, this is not good.

(01:08:50):
And she's like, you need to put effort.
was like, I am putting effort.
I'm also trying to sell, you know what I mean?
Sell.
was really good at sales and I just looked at her.
was like, you didn't pay me to fold.
You're not paying me to fold t-shirts.
I was like, you're paying me to sell clothes.
was like, have the 17 year old do this.

(01:09:10):
This is not for me.
I was like, I can't be good.
I'm like, cannot get better at this.
There is no getting better.
I failed miserably.
It was awful.
I'll blame your mom.
Yeah.
She would say, yeah, well, she never picked up her room.
I remember the disaster, which is crazy.
You'd never believe that now, my room was a disaster growing up.

(01:09:34):
You know, unfolding a cotton shirt is one thing, but when you get some of that performancewear, like I think that shirt that you're wearing, Rick, that material, it's like trying
to fold a bowl of jello.
You're like, what?
It's just, you just throw it.
Just roll it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
in, put the logo out front.
You're just like, well, this is the best it's going to get.

(01:09:57):
Yeah.
Yes.
And then.
And if you do get a nice tack, it never fails.
It's like people hone in like a missile on that pile.
You're like, don't touch it.
Don't touch it.
Don't touch it.
You're going to buy it.

(01:10:18):
Don't touch it.
And then they grab it and the whole stack just goes, Oh, God.
This was on the back of the chair before Ashley showed up because he can't be fooled.
Yeah, exactly.
See, might as well hang it.
Yep.
It can be folded.
So well.

(01:10:38):
Yeah.
I don't know what the question, what should the question be for what at the end of theround this all up, somebody get a eye out.
I was just say, when we were talking about climbing the mountain, people have climbedEverest and died.
So, and they made poor decisions and I don't judge them.

(01:10:58):
No, that was there what they wanted to do.
Anyway, what's a good question.
I'm not there yet.
Somebody's going to throw one out there.
I need to, I need to follow the rule that I was talking about earlier.
And I guess I'm going to have to probably spend a day in a lumber yard now, just so I canunderstand the problems of, and the struggles.

(01:11:18):
Cause I've never heard, and then here, can you believe the price of a stud?
Can you believe the price of wood?
It is just amazing.
I'm it has to get here.
They have to do, the price of wood is going up, but it isn't that much here people.

(01:11:40):
Not like it was in 2020.
Yeah.
When people complain about the
price of eggs.
like, I used to pack those suckers.
I was like, you don't get paid enough to do that.
we finish here.
Now that you got me thinking you just said eggs.

(01:12:01):
The other judgmental thing that pisses me off is people talk about how they like theirfood.
I know how I like my food.
I know what I like.
Why do you want it?
I'm not gonna eat.
uh Well, I'm certainly not gonna eat a bloody steak.

(01:12:26):
You know that.
I do know that.
Well, you may know medium well.
Little pink, I don't want to have to kill twice.
I am so judging right now.
don't even...
I'm just...
That's a new heart right now.
because I I'm not judging you guys because you like it the way you like it.

(01:12:47):
You like the blood dripping out of your mouth looking like Neanderthals.
I'm it's true.
You do get judged on that a lot.
That's OK.
I like ketchup on some of my steak.
I don't care.
But why would you want ketchup if you don't care?
And I grew up like we raised cattle and butchered them.
Okay.
And I'm like, everybody's like, how can you eat ketchup with steak?

(01:13:07):
You know what?
Sometimes it tastes good.
Okay.
I don't even care.
You can judge me.
I went to a really nice restaurant recently.
Where was I?
And I was like, can I get a slice of ketchup?
everybody was, the waiter looks at me and I was like, I don't really care.
Just put it in the cup.
I just want ketchup.
Okay.
But I like 57.

(01:13:28):
Yeah.
Why is that acceptable?
That's half ketchup.
Is it not?
It's like barbecue sauce, whatever.
Right.
Food bothers me when people are judging you, like saying, why don't you have it this way?
Because I freaking don't like it that way.
I just don't like it that way.
When I was competing, I got judged for eating healthy.

(01:13:49):
That was fun.
Why are you eating chicken and broccoli?
Well, because I want to because I feel like competing and bodybuilding.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But everybody's like.
Don't you just want some French fries?
Of course I do.
Of course I do.
I'm just choosing not to right now, you know?

(01:14:09):
But it doesn't matter.
You get judged regardless.
I mean, I think this whole thing was to be a better person.
And now I'm realizing how judgmental I might be and with people around me.
I do got to say, Rick, like for, years, I would get my burgers like medium rare, you know,and for whatever reason, it was just like, that's, I'm sure either I felt like maybe I'd

(01:14:35):
get judged or it was just like the way you had, like if you're going to eat a good burger,man, you just gotta be, you know, you gotta be able to taste it.
You know, you don't want to cook all the flavor out of it.
So for my entire life, that's how I ate burgers and
sloppy mess.
It's dripping all over the place.
Your bun is like, you know, and then one day I was like, I'm tired of that.

(01:14:57):
And I started ordering my burgers medium.
And it's it's glorious.
It's absolutely glorious.
It's my bun is all soggy.
My there's not shit dripping all over my plate and getting all over my fries.
You know,
but the burger you were eating was tiger meat.
That's what that's called.
uh Tiger meat, that's a real thing.

(01:15:22):
I hear you, geez.
But no.
medium well, Rick.
Come on, man.
That's charcoal briquette.
He eats his elk meat that way too.
And guess what?
Here's the Judged.
Thank you.
I like being judged here because we were in Big Sky.
I ordered my steak medium well and how many other people ordered theirs medium well thatsame night?

(01:15:50):
Three besides me because they were, they were being judged and then I ordered it and I setthe example.
Like I don't give a shit what you guys say.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure I ordered ketchup.
night too and everybody's like, what?
And that's way it was.
And, but like people say, I like broccoli.
I like cauliflower.
like the occasion.

(01:16:11):
Yes.
And I like the occasional Brussels sprout.
I'm not a big Brussels sprout like every day eater.
Oh, I don't think I've ever seen you eat a Brussels sprout.
I like, people don't think I like that stuff, but I do.
Oh, I'm not just the
I you'll eat some greens.

(01:16:32):
I eat greens every day.
I remember the first time I watched you eat a salad I was like, hmmm.
No dressing on my salad either.
You want to be judged.
None.
That's okay.
If you chew it enough it tastes like water.
this is the same people that are saying they need to taste the meat because they need itraw and they won't eat a salad without dressing.

(01:16:56):
Yeah.
There we go.
Not for me.
Well, stop being But I'm not judging you.
Yeah, you're not I'm not judging you on that because it's like it is what it is.
I like what I like when it comes to food.
Well, I do too.
But it's funny, like, don't try to get me to eat beets.
I'm not going to eat a damn beet.
Yeah.
I might.

(01:17:16):
They do taste like dirt.
Yeah.
I've tried a lot of stuff.
I thought people get mad at me, not mad, judgmental.
Like
I'm not gonna go to a restaurant and order what?
Fish or chicken?
Never.
You know what the good thing about you is like, I've been around you enough where I'mlike, I don't even need to look at a menu.
I can just tell you what you're gonna eat.

(01:17:39):
When we were in Salt Lake, I was like, everybody went around the table.
Remember when we were doing family style?
And I said, well, you're gonna have to get spaghetti and meatballs for Rick.
And they're like, oh, are you serious?
I said, yeah, just ask him when he wants on that whole menu.
So Kelly.
Killy from badass goes Rick.
What do you want to eat spaghetti meatballs?

(01:18:03):
Oh You see it's never a question no, so it's good like what you like
Spaghetti and meatballs are good.
But you gotta get those meatballs medium rare.
No, no.
Me.
They were well done and hot because that's the night I stuck that whole one in my mouth.

(01:18:26):
I found a meatball.
No kidding.
I was like, this is nuts.
It's crazy.
Then they judged me again.
I'm to have to go back to the expo just so I can go out to eat with that group of people.
It's always like.
You know, when BA comes to town and, oh my gosh, it is a blast.

(01:18:47):
It's always the badass crew and whoever else is in town.
That's my favorite.
Like meal is when we all have that Italian restaurant.
That's, don't know.
I don't even know what it's called.
It's a chain in big cities where you order these mammoth size plates of stuff.
Oh yeah.

(01:19:07):
What's the full name?
Oh, yeah.
That's it.
And we don't have those here.
No.
Yep, there's one in Indianapolis, dude.
There's a bust of the Pope right in the middle of the table.
That's when we ate at the last time too.
Yeah.
We got that table with the Pope in the middle.
Yeah.

(01:19:28):
So, yeah, I did too.
The last one.
in Indianapolis in Salt Lake, but we ate at the Pope.
ate at the Pope table because there was like 15 of us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was in that was the room.
Yeah.
It was circular room.
And yeah, we had, it was crazy.
The guy bet me, well, the guy was in on the bet too, that I couldn't put the meatball inmy mouth too.
Our waiter.

(01:19:49):
Yep.
He did it.
I think I have video proof.
Post it.
Yeah, you should send it to me so we can so I can plug it into the video version.
will, I'll look back.
I'll find if you tell me what year that was.
I'll look back and send it to you.
don't know what your last question is going to be.

(01:20:11):
I don't know either.
So, I don't have any good question for us tonight.
I had the answer.
That's okay.
We got an hour 20 minutes.
Yeah, we do.
So we're golden.
Yeah.
So anyway, we don't have a last question here, folks.

(01:20:34):
So as Rick played, Ricky played the drums pretty good tonight.
Yeah.
Ashley Ashley's cowbell.
I don't know about more.
I think we need more cowbell.
And as for me, I turned into.

(01:20:55):
uh
What's his name now?
can't even think of his name.
I don't know.
The ACDC singer.
kind of whores.
I don't know.
It's to a two hour show.
but Bon Scott's dead.
Brian Johnson.
That's it.
It's Brian Johnson.

(01:21:17):
Yeah.
So I turned into, you know, kind of putting the meat mold in my mouth was dirty deeds,dirt cheap.
are you ready?
And hopefully people aren't thunderstruck here.

(01:21:39):
So, uh back in black.
um But.
What's the money song?
Well, here's the, what do you do for money, honey?
What do you do for?
em No, no, no, no, I'm have to look it up.
I think I can't think of what it is.

(01:22:01):
I know it's that's what do you do for money, honey?
What do you do for kicks?
Money talks.
Money talks.
So that doesn't really fit in just as long as those judgmental people that are going to belistening to this.
As long as they don't think we're on our highway to hell.

(01:22:23):
If you are going to judge us, make sure you do it in the comments.
Can't wait to read them.
That's right.
Because hell's bells.
Yes.
So I hope you you know I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation.
I always enjoy being with Rick Astic.
We miss Kelly.

(01:22:44):
uh But he'll be he'll be back.
And uh anyway everybody have a wonderful day if they're listening to this and thank youfor listening.
So.
As always, keep chasing your dreams, being the best you, and don't die rusty.
Thanks for listening, everybody.

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