2023 NFL Draft: Instant First Round Fantasy Reactions (Ep. 1068)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What went down, Let's talk to the pros. Welcome in
everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy Football Podcast.
It is me Joey Paid Joe Pizapia. And in case
you missed it, there was a little bit of a
draft on Thursday night and we were there live. And
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But here is a little grouping of clips from all
of the Round one action from our YouTube channel show
last night with our instant reactions for every skill player
taken on Thursday. And don't forget Day two coverage of
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(00:43):
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So there you go. That's the game plan. Go to
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of Day two's reactions. And I'm telling you it's gonna
be a wild show. So without further Ado, let's get
after it and let's talk about what went down on
Thursday night, Freeman, Let's talk about the Carolina Panthers, who

(01:25):
are just now under seven minutes away from making their pick.
Carolina Panthers seem to be going in that direction here.
They've made a lot of changes this offseason DJ Chark,
they brought in they brought in Adam Thielen. They have
some different wide receivers Levis because Chanault has been brought in,
even Miles Sanders for the Carolina Panthers. How does Bryce
Young fit in potentially, as we're awaiting this pick here

(01:47):
for Carolina, we assume it's going to be Bryce Young.
How does he fit in right away? And is that
a supporting cast that would support him being a useful
fantasy asset, let's say, and superflex in your one of
his career.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, I'm kind of skeptical, Like he's talented, it
has nothing to do with him, It has nothing to
do with the coaching staff around him. I think he's
got a great coaching staff around him, maybe one of
the best coaching staffs that a rookie quarterback could have.
And in Miles Sanders, he's got a pretty good running
back to help support in the rushing attack. But after that,

(02:21):
who's his number one wide receiver? Is it Adam Thielen?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
DJ Shark?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I think Marshall is going to be Jalen Hyatt or
Terrace Marshall again. Yeah, the ghost of leavisca Chnault, not
the ghost of it. I think the answer there is
probably Shark. You saw him flash again in Detroit a
few times there. I think that's what they're they're hoping for.
And maybe it's more of a combination of, hey, let's
let's get this kid some capable guys. It's better than

(02:49):
what a lot of other rookie qbs have started out
with we've seen in recent years. Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I disagree? The wide receiver unit is really bad there,
and like DJ Shark, we haven't seen much from him
in the past few seasons. Like Terrace Marshall, there's the
hope that he progresses in his third season. But this,
like Adam Thielen, this guy's look forty three. Now, I mean,
I'm obviously exaggerating, but like you can see how this

(03:15):
spins out very quickly into a really bad wide receiver situation.
A really good offensive line, good coaching staff, they should
be able to make the most of what they have there.
But what they have a wide receiver is not anything
close to what you would want to support a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, let me rephrase, because perhaps I phrased it improperly.
Trevor Lawrence didn't walk into a good situation with his
pass catchers. I think this is better what Trevor Lawrence
walked into, certainly better than Zach Wilson walked into. Now
Zach Wilson is walking out for a burger and a
milkshake somewhere because his job is gone. What about Sorry

(03:55):
to think Mac Jones potentially walking into a situation wasn't
all great in New England. So we have about justin
Fields walking into a situation in Chicago. I think it's
a better situation for Bryce Young than any of those
four that I just mentioned. Do you still disagree with that? Yes,
I disagree with almost all. Well, pleasing you, Matthew Friedman,
No pleasing you at all. Yeah, this is a horrible

(04:18):
wide receiver group.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know, at least uh you know, Zach Wilson had
Corey Davis, he had Elijah Moore like there were there
were good wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Hold on a second, hold on a second. Corey Davis
has never had in his life a season like Adam
Thelen's had. I know Adam Theelen is gay, but Thelan
is holy crap. Let's keep it real.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Flan is old. Elijah Moore like was great for the
end of his rookie season. It was just that Zach
Wilson was terrible. I'm just saying, these wide receivers, let's
let's revisit this conversation later. These wide receivers. Come Week
six of the NFL season, we're gonna be looking at
this and like rubbing our faces and being like, it's

(05:00):
not Bryce Young's fault. They just need to put some
weapons around him. I'm not saying it's great.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I'm saying it's better than what Trevor Lawrence had and
what Justin Field said and what Mac Jones had, and
I will die on that hill. It's better than that.
Did you see the crap that these guys had to
throw to or try to in the last two years?
It's been terrible there. Obviously, it's improved greatly here over
year for Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence. But that first year,

(05:28):
you know, I mean, I guess Levis Caschanault is what
you get every year in the NFL when you're a rookie, right,
your rookie QB. Let's get Leavis Caushanault in there and
see if we could get him going. All right, that's
a fun argument. I enjoyed that thoroughly. Here. See, now
we're back to disagreeing, which is where we need to be.
Let's go over to thorn Nystrom here, Thor let's get
someone else's take here on Bryce Young in the landing spot. Please,

(05:50):
for the love of God, talk to me about Carolina.
The eventual pick is in. It seems it is going
to be Bryce Young. The foregone conclusion is going to
be a reality, and it is official now he is
indeed going to be the quarterback of the Carolina Panthers
in your opinion, I'm not saying it's all Roses, but

(06:11):
is this a situation where he can get into an
easy transition into the NFL with what's around him. I'm
not saying it's gonna be great. It cannot be useful
at least early going.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, I mean they did as much as they could
right like that roster didn't have a lot of talent.
They went out there and gave it the old college try.
You know, they have the veteran for him and Delan,
they got the Shark guy, and they got Miles Sanders whatnot.
And the offensive line has a little bit of ability
as well, and they're gonna obviously run him out on
day one. He's going to be the starter, I mean

(06:43):
from right this second going forward there, and yeah, you
have enough around him that you can at least facilitate
a psychologically.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Damaging rookie season.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I would say that the stuff coming out of Carolina
about how that team believes they can contend right away,
I don't buy that stuff whatsoever. But it's not like
such an awful situation that he's going to be emotionally
scar going.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Forward, unlikely voice of reason everyone, thor Nystrom. I never
thought that would happen. Bryce Young officially the pick right now,
So the young QB from Alabama. Let's get another take
in here. Let's get Andrew Erickson's take before we move
on to the next one.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Here.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Andrew, You've had a lot of time to hear the
arguments that have gone back and forth about the landing
spot of Bryce Young. But now it's official. So now
that it's official, I understand it's not the ideal situation,
but is it a situation that's serviceable at least for
this young quarterback to come in here and as the
Carolina Panthers QB. Would you have him as a top

(07:40):
twenty quarterback? As a top twenty quarterback in the NFL
would make him super flexworthy?

Speaker 7 (07:47):
No, I probably would not have him in that range.
Just looking at where's the upside with him from a
fantasy perspective, He's he gonna run a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
We've been over this.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
He's undersized, like he's not going to probably run that much.
I know he's very elusive, but he's their franchise quarterback.
They're not going to be running QB draw with him
at the goal line, that's not going to happen. If anything,
I like Miles Sanders as a benefit of having Bryce
Young under center. Bryce Young targeted the running back a
ton at Alabama. And what's Miles Sanders' biggest concern with
him in fantasy? They never thrown the ball. Oh well,

(08:18):
now he's on an offense that they paid him to
be a three down back, so he's going to catch
more passes like his rookie season than I think we've
ever seen. So I think this is low key major
stack up stock up for Miles Sanders.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Freedman. My take on Bryce Young was two years ago.
If he didn't give him a clean pocket, he struggled.
Last year, I thought he improved quite a bit in
that regard as terms of his ability to not only
maneuver in the pocket, but also be more proficient under pressure.
So I want to give him a lot of credit there.
I've seen people, you know, make comparisons to him, you know, saying, well,

(08:54):
Drew Brees was a small quarterback too. I kind of
take a little offense to that. I know Drew Brees
kind of struggled a little early in his career, in
terms of you know, health and again undersize and all that,
but he did take him eventually landing with Sean Payton
before he saw everything go his way. Is Bryce Young
in the right position here, at least with the coaching
staff that you feel confident that as he continues to

(09:18):
evolve at the NFL level, that he is going to
have a very good or Pro Bowl esque sort of
career at the position. Or are we looking at a
quarterback whose size eventually is going to catch up with
him kind of like it has with Kyler Murray already
in just a few years.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Joe, I mean to be honest, I don't know, and
like that is the question surrounding him. We've never seen
a player like this. It's not just the height, you know.
We've seen guys who are diminutive and stature play quarterback,
but never guys who are basically built like a seventh
grade outfielder. That is the type of body that he has,

(09:53):
and now he's going to be playing in the NFL.
Like he is slight of built. That is the thing
that might come back to get him. But he is,
as you said, like much better at maneuvering the pocket.
Like I wouldn't say like he's in like the magician
category of someone like Patrick Mahomes. But he is pretty
good at navigating a pocket and escaping a pocket and

(10:14):
then still being able to deliver a pass on target
down the field. So he has the characteristics of a
professional quarterback who could be a Pro Bowl caliber player.
It's just a question whether he can stay healthy. And
it's the same question you know that we asked of
Kyler Murray, and Kyler, even though he's much stouter, he
hasn't been able to stay healthy. So I wouldn't say

(10:37):
like I'm I'm pessimistic, but I'm just entering into the
Bryce Young era knowing that he has to answer these
questions affirmatively every single game that he plays.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I think that's a very fair assessment. So the pick
is in for the Houston Texans Boys. Very exciting times
to be alive. I know pretty soon we're gonn transition
with some new talent coming in, but it feels like
c J. Stroud is going to be the pick. That's
what Vegas is telling us, That's what everybody seems to
be accounting for our breer. It looks like is reporting

(11:10):
c J. Stroud to Houston, which makes me a richer
boy and a very happy boy because this is I
think the perfect example of avoiding the noise. Andrew Erickson.
Every year this happens, and I know, we have months
and months of the draft and we get bored, and
we bore ourselves into discussions and bore ourselves with news
that might not be so relevant. At the end of

(11:30):
the day, the eye test is pretty clear. CJ. Stroud
is a number one type draft prospect at the quarterback position,
always was and always light years ahead of where Will
Levis was. As we continue to look in I'm waiting
for the official selection so I can get off my
high horse for a moment and let Andrew Erickson go
ahead and tell me why we're back to c J. Stroud.

(11:53):
So it is indeed, c J. Stroud, he is the pick.
Congratulation c J. Stroud, You're headed to Houston at least
during the NFL. Kid, at least there's nowhere to go
but up. Let's talk about it. Ericson CJ. Stroud officially
the pick. He had a terrific career ot Ohio State.
Thor did mention some of the you know differences at
Ohio State offense as opposed to some of the NFL offenses.

(12:15):
So I'll go back to him in a minute, but
talk about it, talk about this election and the beginning
of the turnaround for Houston.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
It's the right pick to make.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Like they had flirted with using an edge defender, as
I talked about a little bit earlier. But ultimately, look,
you need a franchise quarterback. You know, how are we
going to put butts in seats at the stadium where
no one goes to watch Houston Texans games. Okay, now
we have someone that we can try to get the
crowd basic sited. They're trying to wipe away the Deshaun Watson.
It's over, like, we have to move on. We need

(12:44):
a franchise quarterback. So ultimately, they made the right decision.
I don't know if they really were ever considering taking
a defender here and if it's all just noise, I
don't know, but they made the right decision at the
end of the day, and that's all that matters. CJ.
Stride can step in. Hopefully by the time tonight's up,
he's going to add more weapons through that offense, because
right now he's in a similar situation to Bryce Young
in Carolina where he's throwing to Nico Collins, John Metchi,

(13:08):
Robert Woods. Not exactly a murderer's row of wide.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Receivers that year.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Oh, I'm excited for fantasy for c J. Stroud, So
let's let's get his boy. At jsent over in Houston.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
It picked twelve, all right, So Thorn Neistram, I want
to bring you into this conversation here because we heard
so much noise Thorpe about well it's the same agent
as the Jean Watson and that's a bad thing. And
we heard about the test score, and we heard and
I'm of the mind that that leaked test score personally,
maybe it came from Carolina, and maybe that was how

(13:39):
they said, well, this is how we're going to prove
to everybody we're taking the right guy at this process.
And we moved all the draft capitol and Bryce Young
is clearly the dude. I know that's a little outside
the box, but then again, you know we're at a
two box here, so it's not more space for us
to go. C J. Stroud to me, was always the pick.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
C J.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Stroud was my number one pick over at betting pros
and our top ten wagers for the NFL. It got
it at plus three point fifty. You got it even
more potentially it's some other books in the last few
days after the Will levis crazy nonsense. What's the lesson
for us to learn here at the end of the day,
because this always seemed to be the foregone conclusion.

Speaker 8 (14:15):
C J.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Stroud could have even been number one, and yet all
this noise in the last two weeks change everything around
and we ended up in the same place we started.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Anyway, Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Those guys got me in Houston, and in part because
I seen him makewonkey decisions every single draft. Right last
year it was Derek Stingley over Sauce Gardners, so I
actually wasn't surprised by the you know, at least the
idea that was forwarded that they were going to take
that edge defender over the quarterback. They obviously made the
correct decision here with Stroud. But the lesson, the takeaway
lesson for folks at home is the NFL draft betting

(14:46):
market and the props. It's the most reactionary market you
will ever see, like today, especially with this draft where
we didn't have a lot of information and one of
the new guys in the Texans war room. To meek O,
Ryan's had learned how to smoke screen from Kyle Shannon
and John Lynch in San Francisco.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
It's just like every single piece of news that you've
seen today. It was drastically altering those odds. But good
for you for seeing through that thing. I seen through
the Trey Lance on a couple or the mac Jones
won a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I thought that was going to be Trey Lance,
but they got me tonight. I thought it was going
to be Will Anderson here, but they make the correct
decision in the end.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, look again, I'm not saying it's I think at
the end of the day, I think we all have
to trust our eyes and trust what we see on
the field and what we see at the combine. At
the end of the day, talent wins out. And that's
what this is. The draft is about talent right first
and foremost, and I understand the other things do matter,
but if you don't have the talent, it's hard to

(15:42):
use that draft capital. Now he's going to be likely
a day one starter here. CJ. Stroud very emotional here
moment the beauty of the NFL draft thlower to me
as always you get to see, in tonight's case, just
thirty one, not thirty two, but thirty one young men
realize their life's dream, and that's such a special thing,
and to see it happen thirty one times is even
more special. We have to look to the fourth pick,

(16:04):
which by all accounts we could be thinking about. Indeed,
Will Levis.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Hey, looks like maybe they took Richardson. That is interesting,
Oh beautiful?

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Look is that true? Is this confirmed yet? If so,
that is monumental. And you know what I say, If
that's so, good for you, Indianapolis, good for you, I'd
rather shoot you know? This is that thing? Right? Do
you want to swing for the home run or do
you want to try to hit a double in the gap?
And Friedman Richardson seems like the home run swing. You
have Gardner Minshew if indeed it is Anthony Richardson. So

(16:39):
do you think that you know, Gardner Minshew would be
enough if indeed that pick was that?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah? I mean, but I don't think that they take
Anthony Richardson number four and then automatically have Gardner Minshew
be the starter for week one like it'll be a battle,
and I think it is Anthony Richardson couldn't win battle, and.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
The pick is in the pick is Anthony Richardson. So
an incredible swing here. So just to keep everything straight
here as we continue our accounting here on Fantasy Pros,
Will Levis was not the number two pick. Will Levis
was not the number four pick. It seems like the
NFL does still understand that at the end of the day,
it's the extraordinary talent that you try to get on

(17:23):
your roster and then figure it out later. So we've
talked earlier in the pre show about the potential of
Anthony Richardson, right, I mean, this is an exciting pick
here in dynasty leagues because he now leapfrogged Will Levis.
What's this going to do to his dynasty value? In
your opinion, Derek Brown, When you're looking at Anthony Richardson,
let's say you're in a dynasty startup here, where does

(17:46):
he go? In a rookie draft? Where does he go?
Because sometimes draft capital ends up shooting up whenever you
have a guy who bumps way higher than you anticipate
him going in the draft.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
I mean, I've had Anthony Richardson as my QB two.
Through the entire process. You can make a case for
him as early I think is the one o two,
because that's still thing. Bijeon is locked in at the
one oh one. After you're in super flex drafts, you
want to take a rich at the one oh one.
I get that, But I love this pick for the Colts.
I love shooting for the moon here. I think it's
a fantastic fit with Shane Stike in this offense. And

(18:21):
the other part about this is this offense has the
parts of pieces like Jonathan Taylor. You can lean on
him from the beginning of the season, hell even the
whole retire rookie year and really kind of like let
Anthony Richardson get his feet underneath him. I love this.
I think this is a hand and glow fit, Like
you could talk me into a rich being that first

(18:42):
overall pick in super Flex.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
You mentioned that Shane steich In being the new head
coach over there, who's the offensive coordinator of the Eagles
last year. You know, sometimes Friedman, we see that and
we go, oh, you know, well, of course I'm gonna
go for the Russian quarterback because he worked with Jalen Hurts,
and that doesn't always equate. But how important is that
the fact that this offensive coordinator now head coach had

(19:05):
success there with Jalen Hurts and that project, and can
Anthony Richardson reach similar heights if not exceed them. Well,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
About exceeding them, because I mean those are pretty high
heights that we saw out of Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I would have been enthusiastic about Anthony Richardson almost regardless
of where he went. You know, like he for me
is the number one quarterback in this class, regardless of
where he lands. And then you add to that the
fact that it's actually, in my opinion, a good circumstance
because of the coaching staff and there are some weapons

(19:41):
there around him to support. So, yeah, Anthony Richardson, there
is a case to be made in superflex for him
to be the one oh one in rookie drafts. I'm
not saying it's locked in, but I'm saying there's a
case to be made there.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
All right, let's bring back keent Wyruck before we get
to the first of many selections for the Seattle Seahawks
as they are on the clock with less than about
four minutes left. Anthony Richardson Kent is six ' four
and a quarter two forty four runs a forty yard
dash in four point four to three as a vertical
of forty and a half a broad jump of oh

(20:16):
ten feet and nine inches. An athletic freak by all accounts,
but a work in progress. So in your opinion, what
have the Colts gotten themselves into and can they get
the most out of Anthony Richardson in terms of other
teams on the board that could have taken him.

Speaker 8 (20:32):
Well, first things first, I'll tell you I don't want
to get in his way if he's ever run in
my way.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
So I would meet to you, my friend.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
I guarantee you most of the NFL doesn't either. He's
just a freight train of a quarterback. And the stuff
that he's good at in regards to the passing game
is stuff like pocket presence and being aware of kind
of the defenders around him. So it's a good base
to set up from. And I think a lot of
people believe that he has very fixable traits in regards
to maybe some of the accuracy questions, So I should

(20:58):
also add him quite happy earlier, there was a ten
to one bet on DK for third overall Anthony Richardson,
and I did throw that on my prop betcard and
that one hit. So that's a real nice one to
get early in the draft and start building up that
bankroll going forward.

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Albert Breer, who so far has been pretty on the money, tonight,
is reporting that Bjon Robinson the next pick potentially for

(22:21):
the Atlanta Falcons. Now obviously the fist pump from Russell
Brown before he got off camera there, Derek Brown, from
one Brown to another. What can Bijeon do for the
Atlanta Falcons?

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I mean Atlanta is just slowly building an all star team,
like a team of mutants, Like this is the mon
Stars without a quarterback right now, so you air drop.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
That problem right Like you have Kyle Pitts, you have
Drake London, you have Bijon Robinson. Potentially that is an
incredible trio, but it's lapsing for Caleb.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Collapse for Caleb in twenty twenty four, baby, like you're
looking at this offense, I mean you got Kyle Pitts,
Drake London, now be on Robinson. That's a pret pretty
good triumvirate. As much as we don't want to be like, okay,
let's take a running back on the top ten. This
is not a really good situation to air drop a
quarterback into.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
He's not a running back. He's not even human. He's
a cyborg sent from the future to destroy the NFL.
He's b Jon Robinson. Matthew Friedman. You know, we talked
earlier about Tyler Aljier being capable. I feel like this
is the difference is you know, it's a hot day
outside and you're a kid, and you know, somebody gives
you the the cup of ice cream that's the vanilla
and the chocolate, right, and and it's fine, like it's good,

(23:33):
it's hot out, you're happy. But then they give you
b Jon Robinson and that's like, you know, you got
to go to Dairy Queen and you got to do
the blizzard with all the fixings, and then you got
the whip cream on top, and then you got the
super sized version of it. That's what you're getting here,
I know, we you know, compared it to Jamior Gibbs. Those
are the one and two running backs and most people

(23:53):
as bored, but it's it's Bjeon Robinson and then a
very far comparison away. The one thing the Falcons did
so well last year was the offensive line was very
good and run blocking and Aljier was pretty strong. What
happens when you put a monster like Bijon behind that line?
What is the upside in year one for him?

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, poor Tyler Algier. It's not as if he
did anything wrong, but like, this is the fate that
awaits fifth round running backs. At some point you're going
to be replaced by a dude who is much more
physically capable.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Than you are.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And man, I mean, this is going to be something
really special to see in this offense. If they had
a more imaginative play caller, this offense could really be
something special because it's not as if Desmond Ritter is
an awesome player, but he's a really good runner. And
you've got Quadrell Patterson who's kind of this all around,

(24:47):
like dual threat type of player. You have John new
Smith who is just like an all athlete type of guy.
And those two guys are alongside your superstars, who were
three awesome players like this offense could be amazing. They
just need more imagination with the play calling, and I'm

(25:08):
hoping that the addition of this like all pro caliber
running back signals maybe we start to move a little
more in that direction.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Derek, I've been a supporter of Desmond Ridder when he
was in college. Bogman will tell you a couple of
years ago, we were doing the College Football show together
and I said, you know, I really like this kid
from Cincinnati. I think he's got a lot of guts
and what do you know what? Like eventually they got
into the college playoffs and obviously they got their doors
blown off. We know what happened there, and I know
it wasn't Sunshine Roses last year or Desmond Ridder early going.
But is it getting to a point? And that's a

(25:42):
dangerous question because we've seen too big to Fail fail
all the time. But with all these assets, if Desmond
Ritter is just capable, is that enough to really revitalize
this Atlanta Falcons offense.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
I love you, Joe, but I do not like Desmond Ritter.
If this offense is really good, it's gonna be not
because of Desmond Ritter. It's gonna be despite Desmond Ridder. Okay,
so I think this offense is gonna be I'm not
gonna say explosive, but I think you have so much
talent here that the floor has been absolutely raised at
least three to four notches here. So I think, really

(26:16):
this is this is a situation where you're looking at
the falcons are saying, Okay, we build up all this
around and then next year we air drop a quarterback
into this. So even if Ritter plays competently, competently again,
Freeman just talked about, Okay, this is what happens to
fifth round running backs, Well, Desmond Ridter is gonna feel

(26:38):
the pain of what happens to third or fourth round
quarterbacks next year. So that that's really where I think
Atlanta's gonna go next year.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
A shocking selection here from the Detroit Lions. We got
to talk about. Jamiir Gibbs goes here. So the illusions
of the protection of Dow Staley being gone done with
DeAndre Swift Jamiir Gibbs lands in Detroit. Is this the
death knell of potentially Matthew Friedman DeAndre Swift?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, absolutely, I would imagine that at some point the dramatic.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Pause made it all worth it. I just want you
to know.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So, do you want me to pull back the curtains?
So I was, I was researching and doing other stuff.
I flipped back to this tab and it was all
black for a second, so I was, I was having
to wait for this pop up. Anyway, Yeah, it feels
like you do not make this move if you do
not plan at some point to trade DeAndre Swift to

(27:35):
release him. This feels weird. Like I like Gibbs, you
know when I said earlier that he was C. J.
Spiller or Javad Best, Like, you have to put that
into context. That's not what they turned into as professionals.
Although like, honestly, as pros, I thought they were actually
pretty good, pretty efficient. But as prospects what they were,
you know, they were both electric playmakers in college. You

(27:57):
have in Gibbs someone who is I think an underappreciated
runner for his size, but just known as a playmaker,
especially as a receiver. So yeah, like I can understand, Hey,
does having this guy make your offense a little bit better? Sure,
in theory it does, but this just feels like a
somewhat smaller version of DeAndre Swift, maybe more explosive, but

(28:22):
I don't really see why you add him if you
already have DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I think because DeAndre Swift can't stay on the field
and you want that dynamic in your offense. That's the
argument I would make Derek Brown on this one, Debro,
real quick for me, tell me about your take on
Jamiir Gibbs going to the Detroit Lions. Here with this
pick comes a crowded backfield. To me, Jamir Gibbs was
incredible watching him in the combine. He was so smooth

(28:50):
in the pass catching. I mean, everything just seemed to
just flow from this guy. What is the fantasy stock
of Jamiir Gibbs now that he's a Detroit Lion.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
You're looking at RB three territory. I mean, I think
it's gonna be a frustrating weekly headache of Okay, who's
gonna get this or that? I mean, look at what
we did last year Joe with Jamal Williams and DeAndre Swift.
Jamal Williams had a fantastic gear, but a lot of
that was because DeAndre Swift couldn't stay on the field
and the coaching staff was like, we don't want you

(29:19):
in the field, So this year you're gonna be playing
the same game on a weekly basis. Is A Gibbs
is a David Montgomery, But David Montgomery is actually better
in the passing game than Jamal Williams is, So you're
gonna have both these guys cutting into the production. This
is a head scratching pick to begin with. I understand
the fit and what they want, this type of versatility

(29:40):
and this role in their offense. But why don't you
just trade back again? Why are you taking Jamiir Gibbs
at freaking twelve? Like, even if he's high on your board,
tell me they couldn't have got Jamiir Gibbs, Like the
Packers probably don't take him, The Patriots probably don't take him,
The Jets, the Commanders, the Steelers, like all these different
they could have taken him at eighteen, Joe, Like, I

(30:01):
don't understand that part of this. And for fantasy, it's
probably gonna be a lot of people pulling their hair
out except for you and me, which you know we
don't have any of them.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yes, that went a long time ago. Am I crazy?
And Nolan Smith's still on the board too. I mean
there's some quality tak.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Him over O line. You're taking him over Christian Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
If you wanted to ask Christian Gonzales, you're still out
there to be just traded. Jeffery again, I I don't
hate the pick. I hate the pick spot. Yeah, taking
him because I don't think he's going to Pittsburgh. I
don't think Washington, certainly, not the Jets, certainly not New England.
I don't think any of those teams would have taken him.

(30:39):
Green Bay I don't think it would have taken him either.
So this seems like a misstep from the Detroit.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
This, this feels like this is a terrible pick at
this spot. I'm just gonna throw that in there, like,
this is an absolutely terrible pick for where they're.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
At, the Seahawks and the wide receiver streak, and it
appears that they are taking Jackson and Smith and Jigbus
So Friedman, let's get your take on this. They have
Tyler Lockett, they have DK Metcalf. Why go with JSN
when they could have gone and beefed up the O line?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, I mean, I think it means that they are
looking to give Geno Smith as many opportunities as he
can to succeed, and they had a massive hole there
at the slot position. And you know, granted they do
run a lot of two tight in sets, so slot
isn't quite as important there. But you know, JSN comes
in and automatically opens up that offense in terms of

(31:34):
what they can do now they don't need to rely
on two tight end sets as much, and they can
have three pretty dynamic wide receivers on the field. All
of those guys different, right, Like DK Metcalf is different
than JSN, who's different than Tyler Lockett. So like they
have a complete wide receiver unit now and a pretty
dynamic running back too. Like they could be ready to

(31:56):
go on offense. This could be a really exciting team,
and maybe they get a tight end who is actually
good in the second round Derek Brown.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, a couple years ago they tried to draft
Dwayne Eskirch. That did not work. My only problem here is,
even though they're different, there's a clear pecking order which
is DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. And from a person
like you always tells me about volume, you know, volume
is king. We're looking for that volume of the targets.

(32:26):
Are there enough targets to go around for JSN if
he becomes a seahawk.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
That's a great question, Joe. I mean, I think you're
looking at JSN. His value landing in this spot is
probably far better in Dynasty than you're looking at for redraft.
Redraft purposes. You come down to how many weapons can
Gino Smith support? And yes, we've seen him do it
with DK Metcalf and twer Lockett. And if we could
mold all of these tight ends into one person, they'd

(32:52):
be really good in fantasy. But if we get a
lot of that production to go to JSN wide receiver
for three ish territory, maybe low end wide receiver three,
high end wide receiver forward territory, it's.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Not sexy this year.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
But I'm still extremely high on JSN from a Dynasty perspective,
because they move on from Tyler Lockett after this year,
or JSN walks in and says, look, I am that guy.
I'm gonna command high volume targets. They go with a
high pace offense and they run more eleven personnel. You
could see a little bit of swift movement of the pendulum.

(33:27):
Tyler Lockett getting get a little bit older. Maybe JSN
becomes the number two target in this offense.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know what, man, here's my only thing with that.
I don't agree because then by the time Tyler Lockett's done,
I'm looking at another change in quarterback potentially. I don't
like this move for the short term. I understand the
concept of, you know, while he's falling into a Samuel
situation where he was in Ohio State where he had

(33:52):
other great wide receivers, so he doesn't have to worry
about lining up against the number one corner of another team.
So that's a positive from a target perspective. The short
term is limited, and I think the long term becomes
cloudy because you don't know what Gino Smith. This a
one year wonder And even so, by the time they
make that transition away from Tyler Lockett, what is the

(34:12):
quarterbacks situation? Is it still Geno Smith? Is he still
playing well? I gotta tell you, guys, I was lukewarm
on JSN to begin with. I am less than lukewarm
right now on this landing spot. I am not excited
about it at all. Let's see if maybe one of
our other folks, Russell Brown, if you're still around, can

(34:32):
we get your take real quick on JSN in this
landing spot, because I gotta tell you this. To me,
I'm just not feeling it. I'm not taking away the
guy's talent. I'm not taking away what he did. He
had a very good career. But I think, Russell, when
you're looking at JSN and landing spots, this one is
a little puzzling. What are your thoughts, Russell?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I think it's just one of those where it makes
sense when you're looking to potentially just upgrade maybe the
lot receiver Tyler Lockett's not getting any younger. And while
I love Tyler Lockett, he is more of that vertical threat.
You need that guy that can provide that pre snap
jet and orbit motion stuff and that's exactly what Jsen
can do. So I love the skill set from him,

(35:17):
and I think he's one of those guys that's going
to come in after the catch. He's very shifty there.
I think he makes a lot of sense here for Seattle,
and it's about putting a piece around Geno Smith to
make sure that he doesn't regress.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
So I like that fit.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
All right, Russell, thank you so much again for joining
us on the show tonight. We appreciate having you. I
appreciate helping us out. Let's get back over to the
rest of the gang here and continue to talk through
this JSN pick one more time and the Chargers. Before
we get to the Chargers needs real quick, Friedmann, Do
you think I'm off base here with this assessment that

(35:52):
I'm making a JSN because I know I'm very I've
taken on the negative hat. I don't know if I
somehow you've rubbed off of me throughout the SHO but
this just does not feel like a spot where from
a fantasy perspective, I am excited to go out there
and draft him in any format.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're correct. This feels like
a great real life fit. But for fantasy, like, it's
hard to project the targets that are going to becoming
his direction. They're not likely to be high quality targets.
They're not going to be down the field, He's probably
not going to be targeted all that much near the
red zone? Like, what do we think his upside is here?

(36:29):
So from a fantasy perspective, it's not that great. And
I would say, you know, there was this idea that
in single quarterback leagues entering the draft, he was probably
the number two player on the board, maybe the number
three player on the board if he really liked Jamiir Gibbs.
But he probably falls a little bit after this depending

(36:50):
on where Zach Sharbonay lands, Like it would not be
surprising if sharbon Ay jumps over him. Like, this is
not a great wide receiver group to begin with, and
there's a possibility that all of these guys land in
suboptimal situations.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
The pick is in. The Chargers have made their selection
and is Quenton Johnson. So it is a wide receiver.
Let's get your take and then we'll bounce over to
Kent about his take on it, Friedman, Quentin Johnston is
the pick six two two eight, round A four five
forty in terms of size and speed and playmaking ability.
He has all those things.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
He feels in some ways almost like Mike Williams ish
in a lot of ways. So are you just saying,
you know what, Mike Williams, We like the idea of you.
We just want a younger version that might actually play.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, I mean maybe that's what's going on. Like, Hey,
let's get a Mike Williams who actually stays healthy and
you know, maybe has some more playmaking ability after he
catches the ball instead of just catching it and falling
down on the ground. But yeah, you said it like
they feel duplicative, right, Like why not get a small
guy like you? You have three guys who are all

(37:58):
like roughly the same kind of body type. Why not
get a guy who can you know, move around the
formation a little bit more? I don't know, And then
you can say, like, maybe Quentin Johnson actually overtakes one
of these guys in year one. You know, maybe one
of them suffers an injury or something like that, and
then one Johnson gets more volume coming his direction, so

(38:20):
you know, like as a handcuff to both of these guys,
there's some value there. But I mean, I gotta say
he probably steps in and he's number three in the
pecking order, and that doesn't take into account the possibility
that Austin Eckler siphons off a ton of targets. This
is a little underwhelming. I got a lady.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's funny because it's a mirror image of what we
just saw with JSN, where he's the third guy in
the pecking order. But this pecking order, I feel like
there's much more opportunity because of the age of Keenan Allen,
the hamstrings you know of Keenan Allen. Where we're at
in this is age and Mike Williams, I mean enough
for any how many times you have to go through
this Williams Souff debro. As much as the first situation

(39:03):
was muddy in terms of projectability that we talked about
with JSN, this is less money because it's real easy
to project Mike Williams missing time and Justin Herbert from
a long term perspective, I know what Justin Herbert's gonna be.
So from a dynasty perspective, from a redraft perspective, I
think Quinton Johnson landed in the better spot potentially be
fantasy relevant than JSN. Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
I put them in the same tier. Joe. I don't
think it's any better for Quinton Johnston outside of I
mean over JSN. Maybe if in terms of the type
of targets he's gonna get as far as high a
dot versus low a dot.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I could see that.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
This just feels like the Chargers are a year ahead
of saying bye bye to Mike Williams, And this just
feels like they are trying to just do that now
because Mike Williams, after this season his contract, they can
cut him next year and save twenty mil against the cap.
So this feels like just the preemptive Okay, you are
the Mike Williams replacement, So I'm not saying that I

(40:06):
agree with it. If you were to ask me the
wide receivers left on the board, Jordan Addison, Za Flowers,
and Quentin Johnson, if I would have ordered who would
have gone to the Chargers. Quentin Johnson would have been
the third person on that list.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Kent. We just had JSN go to a crowded wide
receiver room. We just had Quinton Johnson go to a
theoretical crowded wide receiver room. To Derek Brown's point, they
could say to him, hey, you're gonna take over for
Mike Williams, but that could be the third quarter of
Week one, because that typically seems to be what happens.
Break down these two wide receiver situations. For me, how
do you feel about both of them and their fantasy upside?

Speaker 8 (40:42):
Yeah, I'm not as against it as some of the
us here might have said. We're looking at secession plans here. Basically,
long term outlooks. JSN obviously is a great all around receiver.
You know, Quentin Johnson, he has some struggles. He's a
contested catch receiver, which you can argue as a pro
or a condo, depending on which way you're gonna look
at it. Sometimes that doesn't work out quite as effectively

(41:04):
in the NFL. But at least you got him in
a situation where you have Justin Herbert throwing to Quintin
Johnson and he's learning from Mike Williams Keenan Allen, two
great receivers who can teach him a whole bunch. You know.
Derek had a great point. They're they're on the books
for a bunch of money next year. If they're not
going to cut one or both of them entirely depends on,
you know, what what their status is and for the

(41:25):
future and how their season goes. But I do like
this Quinton Johnson pick a little bit more than some
of the sentiment going around here.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
What do you think of the JSN pick? Do you
think that that is a landing spot there that has
problems or opportunities?

Speaker 8 (41:42):
Well, I like, yeah, I know, it's it's a struggle.
I do think I like it. You know, Tyler Lockett
is aging they're gonna have DK Metcalf around for a while,
So I think that you're looking at potentially a two
wide receiver set over time. You know, the Seahawks the
committed to Gino Smith at this point, and so I

(42:02):
think that we're going to see them try and help
him out as much as possible. They want to give
him a good situation, and so having three receivers in
a league where that is certainly viable is not a
terrible plan if they're going to try and go all
in this year and do something fun in the playoffs.
So I don't hate it, but certainly there would have
been better landing spots from a fantasy perspective than these two.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
The pick is in for Baltimore again, Baltimore one of
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right now, Zay Flowers is the pick. Let's go. The

(43:11):
draft starts now at twenty two. Zay Flowers has got
it and I'm telling you right now, Debro, there had
to be a conversation there. Part of this thing is like, look, man,
if I'm gonna come back here, I'm Lamar Jackson. You
can't keep putting me with the three stooges at wide receiver.
You gotta give me a baller. Zay Flowers has speed.

(43:31):
He's a smaller guy, but he's got a lot of
hardy fights for the football. I feel like this is
a good fit for Lamar, a guy who can go
get it. Debro, what are your thoughts on the landing spot,
because this one from a fantasy perspective, I'm excited about.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
I am going to have Lamar Jackson rank so freaking aggressively.
It's gonna beautiful. You're telling me he is going into
a Todd mother freaking offense, Todd Monkin offense. Baby, I
I'd like, I can't even I barely could talk right now.
I'm so excited about this. Like he has Mark Andrews,
he has Rashad Bateman, Zay Flowers obj if the pass

(44:09):
rate goes up, Like I'm not so excited about Zay Flowers,
Like you're your sentiment about JSN and Quentin Johnston and
worried about the target volume. That's my worries about Zay
Flowers in this landing spot. But for Lamar Jackson, I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'm not because Rashan Bateman's never on the field. Number one,
number two. You know, these comps to Steve Smith that
they keep throwing out, they're fascinating because Steve Smith, physically
in the lower half was stronger than a lot of
other wide receivers of his size. So I don't think
that's a great comp in terms physically, even though he's

(44:47):
a smaller wide receiver with that dog in him, as
they like to say. But the thing he does do
is he fights for the football and he has that ferocious,
smaller wide receiver. So from the mentality standpoint, he fits that.
And Lamar's got a big arm, he hasn't been able
to air the football. Odell is not the alpha kind
of dog anymore, especially coming off the ACL. I don't
expect him to be that guy. I don't think Jay

(45:08):
Flowers needs ten targets a game to be a good
fantasy asset. He needs five quality ones in the right moment, Freeman,
I want to get your take on Jay Flowers to
Baltimore because this feels like a big potential asset for
Lamar on the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, it's a big asset. I would say, keep in
mind they've given Lamar weapons in the past. You know,
in the first round they drafted Marquis Brown, in the
first round, they drafted Rashad Bateman, and now again a
first round wide receiver, Zay Flowers. And I think that
Flowers will probably be the best out of the three

(45:47):
first rounders that they've brought in. Uh And I think
it definitely helps that they've had a change in offensive coordinator,
but they need they need to be sure to use
him in a way that suits his abilities. And Lamar Jackson,
I think he's got a ton of potential. We haven't
seen him develop into what he could be, in part
because of the offense that he was in previously. So

(46:11):
I'm enthusiastic about what we might be able to see
out of Zay Flowers, but we have to see it.
I'm not just going to take it for granted that
it actually.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Happens, all right, I am going to take it grant
for granted that it actually happens. I'm going to be
the optimist here after being a negative Nancy for the
first couple wide receivers off the board, I love this
situation for him. Again, Bateman was a good talent of
good prospect. The health has just destroyed his career, unfortunately,
and has destroyed the most important time, which is the

(46:40):
development time. So that is bad luck. Marquise Hollywood Brown
again smaller wide receiver, had some issues, but as time
went on, you saw him have some moments with Lamar.
Those kind of moments I think could be exactly what
Zay Flowers is, and I think Zay Flowers has upside
for far more. To get Kent Wyrock's input here on

(47:03):
Zay Flowers, because finally we're getting some fantasy assets flying
off the board. That's why you're hanging out with us, Kent.
I want to get your take on this landing spot
before we get to the Minnesota Vikings pick here. I
know you're watching that anxiously, but before that comes in,
talk to me about Zay Flowers in this landing spot. Again,
as the guys mentioned, there's some other mouths to feed here,
Andrews obj perhaps for shod Bateman healthy we shall find out.

(47:25):
But what do you think of the z Flowers short
and long term potential now that he's a raven?

Speaker 8 (47:30):
Yeah, that's interesting. Well, first things first, you know they
are able to get Lamar Jackson back in the building,
and so that's certainly something to celebrate. And so day
one after that, you got to take care of him
and get him a receiver so he can kind of
show out and do what he can do, you know,
being the signal call and everything. So you know, Bateman's
great outside guy. Za Flowers, you're going to play out

(47:53):
of the slot. Andrews obviously you got tight end split
out wide occasionally. And then Odell Beckham, I don't see
him rotating in quite as strongly as others may have seen. Yeah,
they paid a lot of money for him, but he's
getting on the older side, he's got some injury issues,
and the last time he played he wasn't exactly brilliant,

(48:14):
So you know, he's probably not gonna last more than
a season or two. And I think, actually, I'm not
even entirely positive. Do they have him on contract for
just one season? Odell Beckham?

Speaker 1 (48:26):
So I have to look and see what that contract is.
But look, he wasn't good for the Browns, but he
certainly had a nice flourish there at the end for
the Rams when push came to shove down that stretch
for them. But again, it was a very specific role
with a very experienced quarterback in terms of passing the football.
So how he messes with Lamar will be interesting. I
think it looks like potentially Jay Flowers is much more

(48:49):
than Markue's Brown. Hey go get open, I'm gonna go
find you kind of thing and just beat the other guy,
and Zay Flowers has a lot more of that go
up and get the football kind of stuff that's Holly
Brown does. He is not a fighter for the football
the way Jay Flowers is. I'm gonna let you go
sweat out the Vikings pick here because I know you're
watching that. Well, it seems like Jordan Addison from all

(49:10):
accounts is indeed the pick here. So there you have it,
Jordan Addison. So it is wide receiver. So debro Let's
stay with you for the evaluation of Jordan Addison Minnesota
Vikings Friedman said they didn't need a wide receiver necessarily,
but they've got one now. So what happens here for him?
In this offense where you already have Jefferson, you have Osbourne,

(49:31):
and you have a very capable tight end in t. J. Hawkinson.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
I think you're looking at Jordan Addison has sneaky I'm
not gonna say top twenty four upside, but he could
get there. Minnesota is gonna run a fast offense. They're
going to pass a lot. They were top ten in
red zone passing rate last year. And the way this
offense could be composed now you're looking at Jordan Addison
can rotate from the slot to the outside. He could

(49:56):
play both if you're gonna I think he's gonna stay
on the field for in twelve personnel, this offense is
more multiple. Now teams cannot just say, okay, we're gonna
double cover Justin Jefferson an ever freaking snap, because we
sure as heck know that Adam Thielen in his one
hundred and twenty year old body is not gonna get
open versus man coverage.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I like this.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
I think you're gonna see a more efficient Minnesota Vikings offense.
And considering that the way the state of this defense,
they're gonna have to put up points well good.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
In a way, I'm selfish from a fantasy perspective, I
wanted them to take the offensive player so the defense
would still be wretched. Matthew Friedman. We talked earlier in
the show about some guys that are wide receiver twos
of their own teams are still fantasy wide receiver ones,
Guys like t Higgins, guys like DeVonta Smith. Is Jordan
Addison a guy that could potentially reach that plateau considering

(50:47):
Justin Jefferson's on the other side of him and they
have to and do throw the football a ton.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, I mean that is interesting. He does have the
positional versatility to where he can play inside, he can
play outside. But I don't know, I'm just a little
bit skeptical because of his size, Like he's not big,
he's not fast, He's not going to be, you know,
like a high volume player as the number two target

(51:14):
on the team. Like, it's not like this is an
offense that's just going to be throwing the ball insistently.
I'm I'm skeptical because even as the number two wide receiver,
he still got to deal with TJ. Howkinson, who will
have a lot of volume coming his direction. I think
will sort of be the de facto number two receiver
in that offense. So maybe eventually he really develops into

(51:38):
a strong, complimentary player, but I think for his first
year it's going to be a little bit of a
rough transition.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Wouldn't it be fascinating, guys if the Eagles end up
getting Nolan Smith anyway, somebody that a lot of us
projected for them to take a ten. What if they
got him all the way with his last pick. It
seems like it's very possible. I want to shift over
to get the Minnesota What a fan perspective here, Kent
Wyrock is smiling. I hope he's happy, and I hope

(52:07):
it's not a nervous smile. I want to get your
take on him better. Throwing out comps of Calvin Ridley.
That's an interesting one there. Look, Addison is a speedy
wide receiver. Certainly he's moved to USC was a good
one for him. It got him some good exposure. So
your thoughts here on this edition of Jordan Addison to
the offense of the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
Yeah, I mean I love the pick. I love Jordan
Neis and I think he's a great player. His only
real big question with size. I mean that's a very
common occurrence in this class for wide receivers. But he
absolutely balled out in twenty twenty one for Pitt. Seventeen
touchdowns that year was just incredible, and you know, it
was unfortunate he didn't quite complete the season at USC,
but he was still playing very very well prior to

(52:50):
missing that time.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
So, you know, I love it.

Speaker 8 (52:53):
I think it's a great fit across from Justin Jefferson.
I think that meshes really well.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Let's look at the Buffalo need for a moment, if
we can and take a look at what's going on
here Andrew Erickson. If you had to put your money
on what they've leapfrogged to do, who's that player that
they want to.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
Get I'm gonna be totally transparent. So I was thinking
that they were making the move to jump up for
a slot receiver, and it didn't really kind of register
in my mind, Like Josh Downs came to my mind first,
and then well, they're jumping Dallas, so naturally it would
be for a tight end. I can see this now.
It's Dalton Kincaid, which makes a lot of sense because
he can play the slot role for the Buffalo Bills

(53:33):
as a tight end, and I think that's a really
good fit. And they obviously it makes sense why they
made the trade to get ahead of the Cowboys, who
were obviously the tight end market.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
All right, If this indeed is a Dalton Kincaid selection
to Buffalo Matthew Friedman, this is theoretically the best pass
catching tight end in this draft had a great career
at Utah. Do you think that the Bills are making
a statement here where he is going to be the
other weapon besides Diggs in this offense that they're gonna

(54:02):
build around.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, it's possible, but I just kind of wonder why,
you know, Like, it's not as if Dawson Knox is
a bad tight end. Uh, maybe they go more to
tight end sets. But these guys feel kind of like
versions of each other, Like I just kind of don't understand.
What is interesting to me actually though, is that if

(54:25):
they're jumping over Dallas, it's because they thought Dallas wanted
Kinkaid instead of Mayor, which actually probably makes me like
Kinkaid a little bit more. But it still feels like
this isn't like really the player they needed to draft interesting.
Dallas certainly has you know, another tight end potentially on

(54:47):
that board. I don't know what else Buffalo would have
been looking for in terms of, you know, team needs
at this point. I still think they need help on
that secondary. I think they need help on the defensive
end of things too, another offensive player.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
It is a little perplexing. Perhaps they do change what
they do a little bit. The other question is Friedman,
you know, although we love what you know the first
year at least of Kyle Pitts and Friarmooth and what
we saw out of them, it typically does take the
tight ends a little bit longer. Do we think that
that trend is over now all of a sudden, and
you know, the Bills are a win now, team can

(55:22):
can kid get up to speed quick enough in year
one to be that kind of a contributor where he
can bring in nine hundred receiving yards.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Maybe because I think they are going to use him
more as a pure slot receiver versus, you know, like
you're kind of in line tight end someone who actually
has to kind of be a functional two way player.
I don't think they're going to use him in that way.
He wasn't used that way in college, so maybe, but
I mean still, even pure pass catching tight ends, they

(55:56):
don't immediately jump into the NFL and dominate there is
He's a pretty steep learning curve at that position, and
if you're looking to maximize Josh Allen's championship window, drafting
a tight end, even a playmaking one, it just feels
like something you didn't need to do, like you could.
Whatever it is you're trying to accomplish, you probably could

(56:18):
have accomplished it in a more efficient, more direct manner.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Derek Brown, do you I was sorry? I thought it
was Debro for a second there, Andrew Erickson, it was
Deebro for a second. I'm not crazy. I saw him
up there. Those two go back and forth. They like
to play games with me ericson do you think that.
Josh Allen just said, after watching Travis Kelcey the last
couple of years, Hey, I want one of those? Can
you get me one?

Speaker 7 (56:41):
Yeah? Maybe the Bills are just sick of trying to
beat Travis Kelcey and watching Travis Kelcey catch touchdown after touchdowns, like, Hey,
maybe we should get someone like this guy and dog
k K kind of fits that profile. And in regards
to your question asked Freeman about you know, how quickly
can you get up to speed? Well, he's an older prospect,
so he's coming out he's twenty four years old, so
he's not come in twenty one twenty two, where maybe

(57:02):
the learning curve isn't as steep for him, especially if
his role is Look, man, we're not worried about blocking.
We have Titans to do that. We have Knox to
do the blocking. You are going to be running as
our main slot receiver, who the Bills really do not have.
So again, we're probably going to get the puff pieces
during training camp where it's going to be King kid
Oh running eighty percent of his rots out of the slot.
But maybe there actually will be some realism to it.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Well, I think there will be realism, and to Friedman's point,
you know, the hybrid role is something you saw Pitts
come into the NFL and do and succeed with. And
he's got a lot better situation with Josh Allen throwing
in the football. So if he is going to be
the clear hybrid. As you're watching highlights, you're seeing him
line up in the slot right now. And Cameron Rising,
you know, found him all the time. He was his

(57:45):
favorite target there. Watched many a Utah late game I did,
and it was fun to watch him. Let's go to
Russell Brown and bring him back because he's still hanging
around this joint. We just can't get enough football from Russ. Russ,
your thoughts on this Dalton Kincaid move, because I do
think it came down to Josh Allen saying I want

(58:06):
me one of them Travis Kelce type tight ends because
I think I can make the most. So you have
you have digs on the outside and this guy truly
with a presence in the middle. Is this making the
Bills a different offense than what we've seen and one
that can really compete now with the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, I think so. I think it's very interesting. I mean,
we're looking at a six to three, two hundred and
forty six pound tight end that can move, as we
talked about throughout most of this show, as we thought
maybe he would even go as high as thirteen to
Green Bay. We're looking at a vertical threat tight end
that catches everything. Only one drop in his career. He
is coming off that back injury. But I think this
is actually a great landing spot because he's got Dawson

(58:47):
Knox to support him. That's kind of the backup plan
in a sense. And you can let Kinkaid get his
feet wet a little bit in the NFL, get adjusted,
make sure he's healthy, and I think ultimately it's about
surrounding weapons with Josh, and you can never have too
many weapons, whether it's at tight end or wide receiver.
I think it's a great fit because of just that
modern day NFL tight end usage that we'll see from him.

(59:10):
I think he can again line in the slot. We'll
see him play in line a little bit, maybe a
little bit after the catch stuff as well.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
So I love this fit.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
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