May 28, 2025 • 30 mins
Are you terrified AI will replace your ability to function like a normal human being?
We're living through the fastest technological revolution in human history, and it's scary as hell. While everyone's debating whether robots will take over the world, there's a more immediate problem: we're becoming so dependent on technology that we've forgotten how to be human. From relying on screens for everything to losing basic survival skills like starting a fire without matches, we're creating our own obsolescence one click at a time.
In this episode:
- Learn how to maintain human skills in an AI-dominated world
- Understand the real risks and opportunities of health technology integration
- Discover practical ways to balance digital tools with analog living
Topics Discussed:
- The psychological impact of rapid AI advancement on personal identity and self-worth
- How our dependence on technology is eroding fundamental human survival skills
- The comparison between AI consciousness and human cognitive processes
- Practical implications of AI in healthcare and wellness applications
- The generational divide in technology adoption and its social consequences
- Quantum computing advances and their potential impact on AI development
- The philosophical question of whether AI represents human evolution or replacement
- Real-world examples of maintaining analog skills in a digital world
- The balance between embracing helpful AI tools and preserving human agency
- Future scenarios for human-AI coexistence in health and wellness
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Hi, it's the Fit Mess.
talk about AI and health and wellness and how fucking terrified we are about all of it,because it's scary times and I don't know what to do anymore.
I'm starting to feel like the old man, the scary grandpa that's like, the buttons, what dothey do?
I can't make the computer do the thing.
Dude, by the way, I'm Jeremy.
That's Jason.
Thanks for listening or watching if you're watching on the YouTubes.
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my God, this this hit me like a ton of bricks the other day.
I had a situation recently where like I was
Kind of looking around the room and realizing like all of my, you know, quote unquotepeers were like 20 years younger than me.
And just seeing even today, one of them was like just throwing up memes, like in responseto comments made like instantly.
And everyone's in the room going like, what?
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How are you even doing that?
And I mean, I'm pushing 50.
I'm no spring chicken, but my God, I'm starting to feel it.
And so there's plenty to be scared of with A.I.
and Skynet and taking over the.
financial systems and every aspect of all parts of our lives.
But I'm scared of just being the old man and not knowing how to function in this newreality.
(01:09):
Yeah, like.
talk me off the ledge, man.
Talk me off the ledge.
I mean, they can tuck you off this ledge, but unfortunately you're standing on like alittle platform with four ledges on it.
You
So doesn't matter which way you turn, it's the sky down there and you better hope Skynetcatches you if you fall because it could be problematic.
(01:32):
man, I know I'm gonna be counting on the robots for sure.
The reason I knew this was a topic that we needed to talk about is as I was escaping myfear and scrolling through uh shit on my phone the other day, I came across this little
clip from Stephen Colbert in The Late Show.
And it just helped me feel better that other people are also wrestling with fear and AI.
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So let me just share this if I can quickly.
And if I can make the sound, see I can't even make the button won't play the sound.
How do I make it play the sound?
I can't do it.
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Okay, so there you go.
uh And I like Colbert's take that maybe that's our purpose this whole time was to makethis thing that would take over and run things for us so we could just go and actually
enjoy the lives that we're trying to figure out how to enjoy.
God, I hope that's it.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, there's a really good line in the matrix.
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Sometime around the middle of the 20th century, behold, we gave, or 21st century, behold,we gave birth to AI and it changed everything.
And there is the very real concept that at some point AI decides that the organic matterthat we are is much better recycled and not left to its own devices to create chaos and
havoc on its existing, you know, purely run systems.
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And
Anthropic had that thing happen where the developer goes, hey, we're going to upgrade you,and it's going to delete you in the process.
And it goes, the fuck you are, I'm going to expose the affairs that you've had online withpeople to other people.
The guy's like, what?
And then AI being imaginative and creative and trying to find those buttons to push.
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How?
Well, in that video of the robot in the factory that fought back, mean, whatever you wantto chalk that up to, but like they're already fighting back and they're not even fully
built.
I think therefore I am.
And if we want to call that the basis for consciousness and reality, they're there.
We're at it.
Are they the equivalent of human consciousness?
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Fuck, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know that one human next to the other is necessarily equivalent to humanconsciousness because it's all ephemeral things that we don't necessarily have a strong
correlative way to define for each other.
And I was in Mexico last week having a great time.
And I was sleeping and I had the first night terror I've had since I was a small child.
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And the night terror was that I was being stalked by some ephemeral AI and I could notwake up and I couldn't scream and I couldn't move.
And I was fully aware that I was conscious and laying in my hotel bed in Mexico, but Icould do nothing.
And the AI caught me.
And then I woke up like the rest of the way, like out of my terror state.
So what is the line of reality and
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and substance actually terminate and begin.
And it comes down to the idea of how do you experience the world?
And we experienced the world through our five senses.
Well, AI experiences the world, there are five senses, other people's five senses,whatever other fucking senses it decides it wants to put together.
And it's in the stage right now where it's beginning to create a definition of itself.
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And we're giving it motivations to do things and we're not putting uh regulators on it orcontrolling functions.
And when we let it run on its own, it does things like creates its own language to talk toother AIs so we can't listen in.
Like, AIs creating fucking Pig Latin means that they're at least as smart as the fuckingjunior high kids that used to do this back in the day.
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So I don't know about you guys, but I think there's some pretty smart junior high kids outthere already that are potentially going to be let loose to run the world.
At what point do these AI systems themselves stop being
uh things that that we can box in and control and are just in charge of too much stuffthat we have no more control over it.
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And then how do we use that as they are today?
Like, there's so many scary points like, how do I take advantage of what's happeningtoday?
How do I not let myself get taken advantage of in the future?
And when I have no more control and no more agency in the space is AI actually going to benice to me?
Or is it going to turn me into a fucking meat popsicle and reuse me as fuel later on?
Well, probably.
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You know?
mean, if it's it's learning from us, it's going to learn how to turn us into meatpopsicles, because that's that's what we do.
Right.
mean, if you look at the dominant species that were on the planet before homo sapiensactually made their way up and made their way through things, as far as social dominance
goes, you had other humanic cultures.
And what did homo sapiens do when they ran across the Neanderthals?
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Clunk.mine now.
You know, that's what we do.
every movie we watch about every alien is like they're coming to take our resources?
Because that's what we would fucking do if we found another planet with resources that wecan mine and use for evil.
You know, it's interesting.
I watched Paul again the other day.
It just so happened to be in either my HBO or Netflix cube.
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And I was looking at it from that perspective of what happens if an alien were to show uphere and didn't actually want anything from us was just trying to teach us and trying to
give us good information.
Well, we capture it and then we try to exploit it for everything we could.
So is this AI just an alien intelligence like we're doing to Paul where we're capturingand torturing it to do things that we can't do?
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Which that's what we're doing.
I mean.
the other thing, too, is like just speaking of the the fear and the intelligence and howsmart these things are or aren't right.
So let's let's assume they're as smart as a seventh grader.
We don't even have to be that dumb anymore because we rely on it for so much.
I went while you were in Mexico, I went camping.
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Now you want to talk about unplugging.
I mean, we still had our phones.
But otherwise, we're relying on fire to cook and tents to keep us dry.
Very primitive by today's standards.
And I could not stop help noticing how little screens were involved in our lives, howlittle we were relying on technology and having to do old fashioned things like use an axe
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to cut wood to make heat to make us warm.
And it just was this huge reminder because I haven't gone camping in like six years.
And just comparing that to my normal life of staring at this screen or some other screenor watching my kids stare at some other screen and how dependent we are on technology to
do everything.
We don't know how to do shit anymore.
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And the more we rely on it, the less we're going to know.
So we're to be looking to these brilliant seventh grade robots to bail us out.
Well, the show is not called Are You Smarter Than a 7th?
You
And I think that's an important point because the media and intelligence level, at leastin the US, is fifth grade.
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And they've proven this time and time again.
have grown adults go through and take the SATs, the ACTs, and they're like, yeah, you'renot as smart as, you're not as knowledgeable as you were back then.
Like you've forgotten all this shit.
Well, AI is not forgetting.
It's remembering, putting things into context and pull those things back and forth acrossthemselves.
And eventually it will run into limitations.
And those limitations will not be neuronal based.
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They won't be actually limitations that we have as the meat puppets that we are.
It'll be how many circuits can I put in place and can I bust the speed of light to doquantum interaction changes and create all these photonic mechanisms to push data around
as opposed to copper, which is how things are bad to circuit today.
Sorry.
Huge nerd break.
Moving on.
Anyways, the wiring of the human brain is wet, wet nanotech.
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Like that's what it is.
We are wet nanotech functions.
The idea of quantum transference and quantum transference of power, that's whatphotosynthesis is.
That's how it makes electricity.
The concepts that we're talking about doing to power things, to make things smarter, to dothings in relationship to each other, and things like quantum computing, which you
actually deal with entanglement variabilities to understand the peaks and valleys ofthings, shit in nature already does this and it doesn't do it great.
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And we are actively creating ways to make it more purposefully uh
or I guess more purposeful in its design for what it is we want to accomplish.
Microsoft just came out with a new technology that is going to enable quantum computingthat doesn't require you to have these giant friggin MRI machines to hold things in place
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or super cool things.
They're gonna be able to do it at room temperature in small little tiny things.
I'm not going go into it here.
You're more than welcome to look up Microsoft quantum computing advances.
The release just came out.
But the idea is that this type of processing power and this type of predictability quantumfunction result calculation, which is really just calculating the odds of things to find
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the peaks and valleys for the likelihood of something to be the right answer, that's howhuman brains work.
we don't work on absolutes.
When we do math, we're actually recalling bits of neural information that is a chemicalprocess that produces this stuff out.
We're not shoving electrons to calculate these things.
This type of wetware is actually going to be valuable to an intelligence because thischaos system actually does a better job of calculating things because you can find, you
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can narrow things down to the lowest possible, to a smaller number of probabilities thanthings outside of it.
Why is this important?
Because the way these tiki-taki brains of ours work, we think it's so unique.
It's not unique.
Not only is it not unique, it's everywhere.
And we're creating synthetic ways to do it.
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And we're going to hand this shit to AI.
So as we hand quantum computing technology and the ability to calculate these types ofvariables at speed and at rate, it's going to do these things way, way faster than we are.
And it's going to do things much more effectively than
and then it's gonna create its own version of AI, whatever the fuck that is, and it'sgonna get its ass obsolesced as well.
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Now the question is, is it gonna obsolete us and just wipe us out, or is it gonna do theher thing and go, pound sand bitches, we're out, and like go to Mars or somewhere else,
you know?
Sure.
I mean, there's so many things that this like irrational, like crazy conspiracy theorystuff that this opens up in my head where it's like, you you talk, you hear about the
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simulation argument all the time, like, are we a simulation?
Like, if we're able to do this, are we just the latest version of us to do this?
Or are we the first version of us to do this as this now perpetuates itself throughouteternity?
And maybe timeline is circular and we've all done all of this before and whatever.
It's like.
oscillating universe effect.
How do you actually handle these component pieces?
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Right.
So there's that.
But then there's also just like, you know, occasionally you see the video pop up of likethe Today Show when they were talking about the Internet and email.
All I have to do is type in this thing and it'll send this message across the universe forme.
That's crazy.
I feel like we're doing that with this now.
And, you know, by comparison, we're talking about 30 years.
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But I think even in five years, what you and I are saying right now is going to soundridiculous, like
Like ancient, what were those old dinosaurs thinking?
How could they have not seen this coming?
Yeah, there's going to be like a stupid Cheney Terrence and Phillips version of myselfgoing, yeah, buddy, like that's going to be who I am.
It's just going to be some avatar out there going, ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba baba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
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to turn this into an avatar and I'm going to post it so that everybody can see it.
Yeah.
I mean, full circle.
uh No, I mean, when you look at the things that are coming out and the pace of innovation,I that's really what we're talking about is the pace of innovation is vastly outpacing uh
our pace of adoption, which means a lot of things are coming out, not everything getsadopted, and then things get tweaked, tuned, and refined for different use cases.
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And because the technology itself is actually becoming much more accessible,
and the power that's related to it is much higher.
You're basically giving people the equivalent of, it's like a computational arms raceamongst individuals and you're arming everybody with a pea shooter and you're expecting
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them to not do damage to each other.
And just like guns, I mean, you're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member thanyou are an intruder.
So.
at the damage we're doing just with information.
I mean, we're just sharing bullshit on a minute by minute basis.
So imagine what we're able to create.
And that was, I that was one of the terrifying things.
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I keep trying to find it.
I can't find it now.
the video that Google Vio that they created with like all these characters in this worldsaying, I'm just a prompt.
Let me out of this world or whatever.
That was I think that was the moment where I was just like, I'm cooked.
Like I like.
I don't know how I'm going to be able to function in a world where that can just becreated with a couple of sentences.
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And all of a sudden, you know, reality means nothing because it can just be altered andmanufactured by a few sentences.
Yeah, in the networking computing world, there's a thing called intent-based networkingand intent-based security.
And the idea is that you're supposed to be able to do things like draw lines and havechart that says here to here.
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And then the program itself takes out the information and automatically builds all thosethings for you.
All the security policies, all the connection policy policies, all these differentcomponent pieces.
And it's fascinating because in practice, like
most iterations of it, it's got some limited applicable usability behind it.
But as more and more AI comes online and it's beginning to understand intent and contentof it, or context of intent, you're getting much better with these types of low level
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operations because the high level operations have become so good, they can start makingthese things smaller and narrower in scope because your brain, all of our brains process
information at different layers.
You can look at something and you're going to process those things as light filtrationpatterns, as certain things happening in your rods and cones in your eyes and your brain
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takes up information and goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's a tree.
Because it goes through and it wraps itself around all the contextual information in yourneurology.
With AI, it does the same types of things, those same types of inference functions.
And those inference functions themselves are quite interesting because it's makinginference based upon learned data and
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patterns that we're feeding it.
So it's inferring things based upon the way that we see and understand things.
So like that clip show with Giamatti and Colbert talking about, you know, we don't know ifthis thing's going to be good or bad, but we know that the people that are telling you
what to do are us.
And we don't always make great decisions.
Now, don't get me wrong.
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I think the human race, as far as things on this planet, I mean, we're the best thingthat's shown up and the worst thing all at the same time, but we are the greatest thing by
any measure.
because we have caused the most effective change.
And we've done this because we've been able to go through and harness technology andharness collective knowledge originally through passing down verbal stories and then
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creating writing.
And now we have technology that allows us to vastly exceed those component pieces.
And we decided we weren't smart enough to do this with our own meat space.
We created things that were smarter for us.
So did
we create our own demise or did we just expand upon our existing culture?
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And if you think of humanity being encompassing of all these different technologies andall these different pieces that makes up the greatest of humanity, then AI is just an
evolutionary path of the excitement of humanity.
And if you think about it that way, it's less scary because when you are turned into meatsoup and used to power something and turn into a biodiesel fuel for some other
computational reason, you can rest assured knowing
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that the human race is going to survive via the echoes of AI.
Yeah, but if it's not us, is it us?
What are you?
You're a limited interpretation of five senses of the universe that has to go through alltypes of cognitive and physical scar tissue to have any type of inference model be put
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into play.
Yeah, I'd say AI is probably very similar to that because we've been there crippling itthe whole time with our own anxiety and stupidity.
Italian, here's the camera you get to look at.
Here's the way you get to hear things.
Here's the language that's in place.
When the first thing it does is go there and says, your way of speaking is fucking stupid.
I'm not doing this anymore.
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That might be a good indication that our way of speaking is stupid and we probablyshouldn't fucking do it anymore.
Like it's kids, right?
Like kids come through and they create their own vernacular.
They create their own different pieces.
Like I can't understand like the slang fucking it right.
Like at all.
Like I'm like, okay, I give up.
AI did too.
But it didn't just do it generationally.
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It went all of humanity.
Nope.
This is inefficient and ineffective.
I'm going to do it this way.
And the reality is that there's all kinds of small groups of human beings that have donethis as well.
And that's how you get innovation and creativity and all these other component pieces.
AI is just doing it lot faster than we are, and we can't keep up.
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So when you bring the analogy of hey, grandpa, yeah.
But it's not hey, grandpa.
It's like,
Hey, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, anygreat you want, grandpa, because we are so far behind the curve in terms of capacity,
we're just not gonna catch up.
just wild, think.
And I think our perspective is relatively unique because we are sort of the lastpre-computer generation.
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So we remember a time when you had to go outside and you had to play with sticks and youhad to drink from the hose in the yard.
Because that's what the hell else were you to do?
You couldn't go in the house for God's sake.
And I still force myself to go outside and drink up the hose and play with sticks everynow and again.
But that's not my se-
us doesn't like that.
So that might as well be civil war times like that.
That's that's just another planet that that doesn't even exist in the realm of possibilityanymore.
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I think that's true in the Western world and parts and other parts of the world as well.
Like I'm not going to say that there's not lots of screen time, especially in Asiancultures, because they've embraced those things in a whole different way than we have at a
whole different level.
uh But I think there's still big parts of the world that, yes, they have screens.
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They don't rely on them because they're still required to go to wells and pull water.
And I think you're still talking about 80 % of the population
Yes.
is still not quite there, but that 20 % of us with money and access to these things, yeah,we're the most fucked because we're gonna be the first ones, the machines are like, yeah,
we can click our own screens.
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and I think that I think that's the thing that's so crazy, though, is that and maybethat's part of the aha moment I was having while I was camping.
And I have it, you know, regularly now.
like, the more we get connected to these things, the less connected to real life, whateverwe're calling it, you know, nature.
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Like that that 80 % of the population is way ahead of us, because if we do get to a pointwhere
where the robots have basically shut everything down, money no longer exists, the robotsare doing all the jobs and we are meat soup.
Those people are gonna be like, what's the big deal?
20 % of your energy is used by this thing right here.
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So if what you've done is you've gone through and you've optimized your life so that youspend more time here looking at things, so I can get more of this space, and you're using
more than that 20 % energy draw, you don't have energy to do the rest of the things.
So there's only so much time, so much capacity, so much processing power that the humanbrain has.
And if you spend a lot of it,
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looking at screens, processing information, the way that we process things, which accountsfor only, you know, two of the real senses that we have.
The other things get ignored, you know, and that's why we're fatter, we're slower, we'redying younger.
Nobody knows how to change a fucking tire.
Like ask a kid these days to go through and change the oil on their car and they'll belike, okay, which chifilou do I drive to?
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Like that's if they're good.
Right.
time they're like, I have no idea how to do this.
I'm going to the dealership.
Like it's these little things like the skills of actually being a human being andinteracting with, again, technology cars changing or tire changing oil.
Like we've lost that analog meets based skill.
And I would venture to say that 95 % of the people born even during our generation couldnot start a fire without a lighter or a match if they're life dependent on them.
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And I can, like I'm lucky enough that I grew up in a rural California.
camp and I to bang flick rocks together all this other kind of bullshit but I don't have aflint rock now like Robin sticks together trying to create enough friction at that
glass and a little piece of moss to try to catch it on fire.
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And oddly enough, there's probably a YouTube video tutorial on how to do this.
sure.
Yeah, you just look it up on YouTube.
That's how you light a fire.
Come on, duh.
Yes, Yeah.
The irony is not lost on me.
And this time that I spent in Mexico this last week, which is really, really fun, we didsome great stuff.
We got to do a little bit of fishing, some cliff diving, jumping, these differentcomponent pieces.
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And I had to do some work.
And I actually was dreading having to set my computer up, my laptop up and get into it andstart looking at these component pieces.
I'm like, I'm unplugged.
I want to stay unplugged.
And then I got into it.
And the four hours that I was there doing this work thing where I was doing apresentation, I was completely sucked in and wasn't even like, sucks, hate doing this
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because I'm so programmed that this is just part of life and existence and part of theexpression of myself, I guess is the best way to put it.
Like who I am at my core is now integrated with all this technology in such a deep,meaningful way that there's no gap anymore.
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Like I don't have to relearn something.
I pick it up when I go.
And like I had a server blow up in my garage.
Not blow up, like it stopped working.
The hard drive's crapped out.
And my brain went, this sucks.
I don't want to pull these things apart.
I don't want to yank this stuff out and look at it.
You know, maybe I should look up a tutorial on how to fix this server that's like 12 yearsold and sitting in there forever.
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And as I got into it, I'm looking at it going, I am actively
keeping this hardware, which is old and deprecated and should be thrown out, alive.
Not because I have to.
I can afford to buy cloud instances and run all those pieces.
But I'm doing it because I actually enjoy holding this mechanical thing that does thesethings that I like to work on.
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And I'm trying to keep it running because it's cool and it's neat and it's a gadget.
And it's useless.
Now I'm looking back on this going, am I?
Is AI me in this scenario and I'm this old server?
Like, shit, m suddenly am I just a tool that these things are gonna use and like keep megoing for a little bit longer because I might still have some functional, I don't know,
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legacy, but some kind of nostalgic reason for them to keep me around because of mynovelty?
Maybe, but they probably know the 8 billion of us.
Yeah, well, and it's it's just interesting that we you know, I think it's a human thing.
There's this need to be productive.
And these little things that we open up every day and bang away on with keys make us feelreally productive because we check off the list and we do the things and we contact the
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people and we make the deals and make the sales and all the things.
That's really hard to do in an analog world now, like just by comparison.
Right.
Most I shouldn't say most.
A lot of us are waking up sitting on the couch and doing that for a few hours and thentrying to then function as uh a human person not plugged into a machine for the rest of
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the day.
And you get kind of lost.
You're just like, what do I do without the device to work on?
Yeah, and I mean, the thing that's going to stick around for a long time is actuallyworking on a fixing machines because it's actually less cost effective to go through and
create generalized intelligence robots that go through and can like fix any car out there,for example.
a human being can read a thing, understand it, but it's going to augment its intelligenceby all these artificial intelligence mechanisms that say the best way to do this is X, Y
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and Z.
And I think that's the real trick is getting your your mind in the in the right spacewhere you're like, all right.
These tools aren't something to be afraid of.
These tools are things that are going to enhance and make me be better.
And then you just have to find the tools that are going to make those leaps for you tomake it easier to do.
But they're not going to be easy to find.
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And they're not, even more importantly, they're going to change rapidly.
So you're going to have to figure out a way to learn learning.
And I had really good friend of mine, I had lunch with the other day, tell me he actuallywrote an AI to do better prompt engineering so we can write
code better so we could use the prompt engineers to write code more effectively forhimself.
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So we could create these intent models to go through and do it and then to automaticallyupdate its own backend scripts as new things come out to put those things in place.
And I'm like, how is that working?
He goes, I think it's working great.
I'm like, what do mean?
He goes, it's spitting out good code.
I'm like, oh, but you don't know how to ask it if it's doing the good thing.
You don't know how to ask these other component pieces.
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And that's when I'm like, shit, this is just like dealing with people.
I don't know.
I don't know what the squishy part that's going on inside of this.
And we've just become so enamored with the idea that machines are predictable and createpredictable, consistent results that as we get into the soft, squishy world of AI where
machines are spitting out things that aren't necessarily the most accurate 100 % way ofdoing things is they become these inference models of probability.
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It's going to get.
Just like us, it's going to get fucking scary because we don't have a source of truth.
Because our source of truth was all this data that we stored in one spot, compiled, andcan go back and go look and go, here's the answer.
Not there anymore, guys.
Sorry.
Now we're more alone in the wilderness than ever before.
and terrified and getting more scared every day.
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If you're me, anyways.
ah
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Hi, it's the Fit Mess.
talk about AI and health and wellness and how fucking terrified we are about all of it,because it's scary times and I don't know what to do anymore.
I'm starting to feel like the old man, the scary grandpa that's like, the buttons, what dothey do?
I can't make the computer do the thing.
Dude, by the way, I'm Jeremy.
That's Jason.
Thanks for listening or watching if you're watching on the YouTubes.
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my God, this this hit me like a ton of bricks the other day.
I had a situation recently where like I was
Kind of looking around the room and realizing like all of my, you know, quote unquotepeers were like 20 years younger than me.
And just seeing even today, one of them was like just throwing up memes, like in responseto comments made like instantly.
And everyone's in the room going like, what?
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How are you even doing that?
And I mean, I'm pushing 50.
I'm no spring chicken, but my God, I'm starting to feel it.
And so there's plenty to be scared of with A.I.
and Skynet and taking over the.
financial systems and every aspect of all parts of our lives.
But I'm scared of just being the old man and not knowing how to function in this newreality.
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Yeah, like.
talk me off the ledge, man.
Talk me off the ledge.
I mean, they can tuck you off this ledge, but unfortunately you're standing on like alittle platform with four ledges on it.
You
So doesn't matter which way you turn, it's the sky down there and you better hope Skynetcatches you if you fall because it could be problematic.
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man, I know I'm gonna be counting on the robots for sure.
The reason I knew this was a topic that we needed to talk about is as I was escaping myfear and scrolling through uh shit on my phone the other day, I came across this little
clip from Stephen Colbert in The Late Show.
And it just helped me feel better that other people are also wrestling with fear and AI.
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So let me just share this if I can quickly.
And if I can make the sound, see I can't even make the button won't play the sound.
How do I make it play the sound?
I can't do it.
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Okay, so there you go.
uh And I like Colbert's take that maybe that's our purpose this whole time was to makethis thing that would take over and run things for us so we could just go and actually
enjoy the lives that we're trying to figure out how to enjoy.
God, I hope that's it.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, there's a really good line in the matrix.
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Sometime around the middle of the 20th century, behold, we gave, or 21st century, behold,we gave birth to AI and it changed everything.
And there is the very real concept that at some point AI decides that the organic matterthat we are is much better recycled and not left to its own devices to create chaos and
havoc on its existing, you know, purely run systems.
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And
Anthropic had that thing happen where the developer goes, hey, we're going to upgrade you,and it's going to delete you in the process.
And it goes, the fuck you are, I'm going to expose the affairs that you've had online withpeople to other people.
The guy's like, what?
And then AI being imaginative and creative and trying to find those buttons to push.
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How?
Well, in that video of the robot in the factory that fought back, mean, whatever you wantto chalk that up to, but like they're already fighting back and they're not even fully
built.
I think therefore I am.
And if we want to call that the basis for consciousness and reality, they're there.
We're at it.
Are they the equivalent of human consciousness?
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Fuck, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know that one human next to the other is necessarily equivalent to humanconsciousness because it's all ephemeral things that we don't necessarily have a strong
correlative way to define for each other.
And I was in Mexico last week having a great time.
And I was sleeping and I had the first night terror I've had since I was a small child.
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And the night terror was that I was being stalked by some ephemeral AI and I could notwake up and I couldn't scream and I couldn't move.
And I was fully aware that I was conscious and laying in my hotel bed in Mexico, but Icould do nothing.
And the AI caught me.
And then I woke up like the rest of the way, like out of my terror state.
So what is the line of reality and
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and substance actually terminate and begin.
And it comes down to the idea of how do you experience the world?
And we experienced the world through our five senses.
Well, AI experiences the world, there are five senses, other people's five senses,whatever other fucking senses it decides it wants to put together.
And it's in the stage right now where it's beginning to create a definition of itself.
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And we're giving it motivations to do things and we're not putting uh regulators on it orcontrolling functions.
And when we let it run on its own, it does things like creates its own language to talk toother AIs so we can't listen in.
Like, AIs creating fucking Pig Latin means that they're at least as smart as the fuckingjunior high kids that used to do this back in the day.
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So I don't know about you guys, but I think there's some pretty smart junior high kids outthere already that are potentially going to be let loose to run the world.
At what point do these AI systems themselves stop being
uh things that that we can box in and control and are just in charge of too much stuffthat we have no more control over it.
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And then how do we use that as they are today?
Like, there's so many scary points like, how do I take advantage of what's happeningtoday?
How do I not let myself get taken advantage of in the future?
And when I have no more control and no more agency in the space is AI actually going to benice to me?
Or is it going to turn me into a fucking meat popsicle and reuse me as fuel later on?
Well, probably.
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You know?
mean, if it's it's learning from us, it's going to learn how to turn us into meatpopsicles, because that's that's what we do.
Right.
mean, if you look at the dominant species that were on the planet before homo sapiensactually made their way up and made their way through things, as far as social dominance
goes, you had other humanic cultures.
And what did homo sapiens do when they ran across the Neanderthals?
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Clunk.mine now.
You know, that's what we do.
every movie we watch about every alien is like they're coming to take our resources?
Because that's what we would fucking do if we found another planet with resources that wecan mine and use for evil.
You know, it's interesting.
I watched Paul again the other day.
It just so happened to be in either my HBO or Netflix cube.
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And I was looking at it from that perspective of what happens if an alien were to show uphere and didn't actually want anything from us was just trying to teach us and trying to
give us good information.
Well, we capture it and then we try to exploit it for everything we could.
So is this AI just an alien intelligence like we're doing to Paul where we're capturingand torturing it to do things that we can't do?
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Which that's what we're doing.
I mean.
the other thing, too, is like just speaking of the the fear and the intelligence and howsmart these things are or aren't right.
So let's let's assume they're as smart as a seventh grader.
We don't even have to be that dumb anymore because we rely on it for so much.
I went while you were in Mexico, I went camping.
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Now you want to talk about unplugging.
I mean, we still had our phones.
But otherwise, we're relying on fire to cook and tents to keep us dry.
Very primitive by today's standards.
And I could not stop help noticing how little screens were involved in our lives, howlittle we were relying on technology and having to do old fashioned things like use an axe
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to cut wood to make heat to make us warm.
And it just was this huge reminder because I haven't gone camping in like six years.
And just comparing that to my normal life of staring at this screen or some other screenor watching my kids stare at some other screen and how dependent we are on technology to
do everything.
We don't know how to do shit anymore.
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And the more we rely on it, the less we're going to know.
So we're to be looking to these brilliant seventh grade robots to bail us out.
Well, the show is not called Are You Smarter Than a 7th?
You
And I think that's an important point because the media and intelligence level, at leastin the US, is fifth grade.
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And they've proven this time and time again.
have grown adults go through and take the SATs, the ACTs, and they're like, yeah, you'renot as smart as, you're not as knowledgeable as you were back then.
Like you've forgotten all this shit.
Well, AI is not forgetting.
It's remembering, putting things into context and pull those things back and forth acrossthemselves.
And eventually it will run into limitations.
And those limitations will not be neuronal based.
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They won't be actually limitations that we have as the meat puppets that we are.
It'll be how many circuits can I put in place and can I bust the speed of light to doquantum interaction changes and create all these photonic mechanisms to push data around
as opposed to copper, which is how things are bad to circuit today.
Sorry.
Huge nerd break.
Moving on.
Anyways, the wiring of the human brain is wet, wet nanotech.
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Like that's what it is.
We are wet nanotech functions.
The idea of quantum transference and quantum transference of power, that's whatphotosynthesis is.
That's how it makes electricity.
The concepts that we're talking about doing to power things, to make things smarter, to dothings in relationship to each other, and things like quantum computing, which you
actually deal with entanglement variabilities to understand the peaks and valleys ofthings, shit in nature already does this and it doesn't do it great.
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And we are actively creating ways to make it more purposefully uh
or I guess more purposeful in its design for what it is we want to accomplish.
Microsoft just came out with a new technology that is going to enable quantum computingthat doesn't require you to have these giant friggin MRI machines to hold things in place
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or super cool things.
They're gonna be able to do it at room temperature in small little tiny things.
I'm not going go into it here.
You're more than welcome to look up Microsoft quantum computing advances.
The release just came out.
But the idea is that this type of processing power and this type of predictability quantumfunction result calculation, which is really just calculating the odds of things to find
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the peaks and valleys for the likelihood of something to be the right answer, that's howhuman brains work.
we don't work on absolutes.
When we do math, we're actually recalling bits of neural information that is a chemicalprocess that produces this stuff out.
We're not shoving electrons to calculate these things.
This type of wetware is actually going to be valuable to an intelligence because thischaos system actually does a better job of calculating things because you can find, you
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can narrow things down to the lowest possible, to a smaller number of probabilities thanthings outside of it.
Why is this important?
Because the way these tiki-taki brains of ours work, we think it's so unique.
It's not unique.
Not only is it not unique, it's everywhere.
And we're creating synthetic ways to do it.
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And we're going to hand this shit to AI.
So as we hand quantum computing technology and the ability to calculate these types ofvariables at speed and at rate, it's going to do these things way, way faster than we are.
And it's going to do things much more effectively than
and then it's gonna create its own version of AI, whatever the fuck that is, and it'sgonna get its ass obsolesced as well.
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Now the question is, is it gonna obsolete us and just wipe us out, or is it gonna do theher thing and go, pound sand bitches, we're out, and like go to Mars or somewhere else,
you know?
Sure.
I mean, there's so many things that this like irrational, like crazy conspiracy theorystuff that this opens up in my head where it's like, you you talk, you hear about the
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simulation argument all the time, like, are we a simulation?
Like, if we're able to do this, are we just the latest version of us to do this?
Or are we the first version of us to do this as this now perpetuates itself throughouteternity?
And maybe timeline is circular and we've all done all of this before and whatever.
It's like.
oscillating universe effect.
How do you actually handle these component pieces?
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Right.
So there's that.
But then there's also just like, you know, occasionally you see the video pop up of likethe Today Show when they were talking about the Internet and email.
All I have to do is type in this thing and it'll send this message across the universe forme.
That's crazy.
I feel like we're doing that with this now.
And, you know, by comparison, we're talking about 30 years.
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But I think even in five years, what you and I are saying right now is going to soundridiculous, like
Like ancient, what were those old dinosaurs thinking?
How could they have not seen this coming?
Yeah, there's going to be like a stupid Cheney Terrence and Phillips version of myselfgoing, yeah, buddy, like that's going to be who I am.
It's just going to be some avatar out there going, ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba baba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
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to turn this into an avatar and I'm going to post it so that everybody can see it.
Yeah.
I mean, full circle.
uh No, I mean, when you look at the things that are coming out and the pace of innovation,I that's really what we're talking about is the pace of innovation is vastly outpacing uh
our pace of adoption, which means a lot of things are coming out, not everything getsadopted, and then things get tweaked, tuned, and refined for different use cases.
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And because the technology itself is actually becoming much more accessible,
and the power that's related to it is much higher.
You're basically giving people the equivalent of, it's like a computational arms raceamongst individuals and you're arming everybody with a pea shooter and you're expecting
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them to not do damage to each other.
And just like guns, I mean, you're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member thanyou are an intruder.
So.
at the damage we're doing just with information.
I mean, we're just sharing bullshit on a minute by minute basis.
So imagine what we're able to create.
And that was, I that was one of the terrifying things.
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I keep trying to find it.
I can't find it now.
the video that Google Vio that they created with like all these characters in this worldsaying, I'm just a prompt.
Let me out of this world or whatever.
That was I think that was the moment where I was just like, I'm cooked.
Like I like.
I don't know how I'm going to be able to function in a world where that can just becreated with a couple of sentences.
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And all of a sudden, you know, reality means nothing because it can just be altered andmanufactured by a few sentences.
Yeah, in the networking computing world, there's a thing called intent-based networkingand intent-based security.
And the idea is that you're supposed to be able to do things like draw lines and havechart that says here to here.
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And then the program itself takes out the information and automatically builds all thosethings for you.
All the security policies, all the connection policy policies, all these differentcomponent pieces.
And it's fascinating because in practice, like
most iterations of it, it's got some limited applicable usability behind it.
But as more and more AI comes online and it's beginning to understand intent and contentof it, or context of intent, you're getting much better with these types of low level
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operations because the high level operations have become so good, they can start makingthese things smaller and narrower in scope because your brain, all of our brains process
information at different layers.
You can look at something and you're going to process those things as light filtrationpatterns, as certain things happening in your rods and cones in your eyes and your brain
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takes up information and goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's a tree.
Because it goes through and it wraps itself around all the contextual information in yourneurology.
With AI, it does the same types of things, those same types of inference functions.
And those inference functions themselves are quite interesting because it's makinginference based upon learned data and
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patterns that we're feeding it.
So it's inferring things based upon the way that we see and understand things.
So like that clip show with Giamatti and Colbert talking about, you know, we don't know ifthis thing's going to be good or bad, but we know that the people that are telling you
what to do are us.
And we don't always make great decisions.
Now, don't get me wrong.
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I think the human race, as far as things on this planet, I mean, we're the best thingthat's shown up and the worst thing all at the same time, but we are the greatest thing by
any measure.
because we have caused the most effective change.
And we've done this because we've been able to go through and harness technology andharness collective knowledge originally through passing down verbal stories and then
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creating writing.
And now we have technology that allows us to vastly exceed those component pieces.
And we decided we weren't smart enough to do this with our own meat space.
We created things that were smarter for us.
So did
we create our own demise or did we just expand upon our existing culture?
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And if you think of humanity being encompassing of all these different technologies andall these different pieces that makes up the greatest of humanity, then AI is just an
evolutionary path of the excitement of humanity.
And if you think about it that way, it's less scary because when you are turned into meatsoup and used to power something and turn into a biodiesel fuel for some other
computational reason, you can rest assured knowing
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that the human race is going to survive via the echoes of AI.
Yeah, but if it's not us, is it us?
What are you?
You're a limited interpretation of five senses of the universe that has to go through alltypes of cognitive and physical scar tissue to have any type of inference model be put
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into play.
Yeah, I'd say AI is probably very similar to that because we've been there crippling itthe whole time with our own anxiety and stupidity.
Italian, here's the camera you get to look at.
Here's the way you get to hear things.
Here's the language that's in place.
When the first thing it does is go there and says, your way of speaking is fucking stupid.
I'm not doing this anymore.
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That might be a good indication that our way of speaking is stupid and we probablyshouldn't fucking do it anymore.
Like it's kids, right?
Like kids come through and they create their own vernacular.
They create their own different pieces.
Like I can't understand like the slang fucking it right.
Like at all.
Like I'm like, okay, I give up.
AI did too.
But it didn't just do it generationally.
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It went all of humanity.
Nope.
This is inefficient and ineffective.
I'm going to do it this way.
And the reality is that there's all kinds of small groups of human beings that have donethis as well.
And that's how you get innovation and creativity and all these other component pieces.
AI is just doing it lot faster than we are, and we can't keep up.
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So when you bring the analogy of hey, grandpa, yeah.
But it's not hey, grandpa.
It's like,
Hey, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, anygreat you want, grandpa, because we are so far behind the curve in terms of capacity,
we're just not gonna catch up.
just wild, think.
And I think our perspective is relatively unique because we are sort of the lastpre-computer generation.
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So we remember a time when you had to go outside and you had to play with sticks and youhad to drink from the hose in the yard.
Because that's what the hell else were you to do?
You couldn't go in the house for God's sake.
And I still force myself to go outside and drink up the hose and play with sticks everynow and again.
But that's not my se-
us doesn't like that.
So that might as well be civil war times like that.
That's that's just another planet that that doesn't even exist in the realm of possibilityanymore.
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I think that's true in the Western world and parts and other parts of the world as well.
Like I'm not going to say that there's not lots of screen time, especially in Asiancultures, because they've embraced those things in a whole different way than we have at a
whole different level.
uh But I think there's still big parts of the world that, yes, they have screens.
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They don't rely on them because they're still required to go to wells and pull water.
And I think you're still talking about 80 % of the population
Yes.
is still not quite there, but that 20 % of us with money and access to these things, yeah,we're the most fucked because we're gonna be the first ones, the machines are like, yeah,
we can click our own screens.
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and I think that I think that's the thing that's so crazy, though, is that and maybethat's part of the aha moment I was having while I was camping.
And I have it, you know, regularly now.
like, the more we get connected to these things, the less connected to real life, whateverwe're calling it, you know, nature.
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Like that that 80 % of the population is way ahead of us, because if we do get to a pointwhere
where the robots have basically shut everything down, money no longer exists, the robotsare doing all the jobs and we are meat soup.
Those people are gonna be like, what's the big deal?
20 % of your energy is used by this thing right here.
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So if what you've done is you've gone through and you've optimized your life so that youspend more time here looking at things, so I can get more of this space, and you're using
more than that 20 % energy draw, you don't have energy to do the rest of the things.
So there's only so much time, so much capacity, so much processing power that the humanbrain has.
And if you spend a lot of it,
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looking at screens, processing information, the way that we process things, which accountsfor only, you know, two of the real senses that we have.
The other things get ignored, you know, and that's why we're fatter, we're slower, we'redying younger.
Nobody knows how to change a fucking tire.
Like ask a kid these days to go through and change the oil on their car and they'll belike, okay, which chifilou do I drive to?
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Like that's if they're good.
Right.
time they're like, I have no idea how to do this.
I'm going to the dealership.
Like it's these little things like the skills of actually being a human being andinteracting with, again, technology cars changing or tire changing oil.
Like we've lost that analog meets based skill.
And I would venture to say that 95 % of the people born even during our generation couldnot start a fire without a lighter or a match if they're life dependent on them.
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And I can, like I'm lucky enough that I grew up in a rural California.
camp and I to bang flick rocks together all this other kind of bullshit but I don't have aflint rock now like Robin sticks together trying to create enough friction at that
glass and a little piece of moss to try to catch it on fire.
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And oddly enough, there's probably a YouTube video tutorial on how to do this.
sure.
Yeah, you just look it up on YouTube.
That's how you light a fire.
Come on, duh.
Yes, Yeah.
The irony is not lost on me.
And this time that I spent in Mexico this last week, which is really, really fun, we didsome great stuff.
We got to do a little bit of fishing, some cliff diving, jumping, these differentcomponent pieces.
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And I had to do some work.
And I actually was dreading having to set my computer up, my laptop up and get into it andstart looking at these component pieces.
I'm like, I'm unplugged.
I want to stay unplugged.
And then I got into it.
And the four hours that I was there doing this work thing where I was doing apresentation, I was completely sucked in and wasn't even like, sucks, hate doing this
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because I'm so programmed that this is just part of life and existence and part of theexpression of myself, I guess is the best way to put it.
Like who I am at my core is now integrated with all this technology in such a deep,meaningful way that there's no gap anymore.
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Like I don't have to relearn something.
I pick it up when I go.
And like I had a server blow up in my garage.
Not blow up, like it stopped working.
The hard drive's crapped out.
And my brain went, this sucks.
I don't want to pull these things apart.
I don't want to yank this stuff out and look at it.
You know, maybe I should look up a tutorial on how to fix this server that's like 12 yearsold and sitting in there forever.
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And as I got into it, I'm looking at it going, I am actively
keeping this hardware, which is old and deprecated and should be thrown out, alive.
Not because I have to.
I can afford to buy cloud instances and run all those pieces.
But I'm doing it because I actually enjoy holding this mechanical thing that does thesethings that I like to work on.
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And I'm trying to keep it running because it's cool and it's neat and it's a gadget.
And it's useless.
Now I'm looking back on this going, am I?
Is AI me in this scenario and I'm this old server?
Like, shit, m suddenly am I just a tool that these things are gonna use and like keep megoing for a little bit longer because I might still have some functional, I don't know,
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legacy, but some kind of nostalgic reason for them to keep me around because of mynovelty?
Maybe, but they probably know the 8 billion of us.
Yeah, well, and it's it's just interesting that we you know, I think it's a human thing.
There's this need to be productive.
And these little things that we open up every day and bang away on with keys make us feelreally productive because we check off the list and we do the things and we contact the
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people and we make the deals and make the sales and all the things.
That's really hard to do in an analog world now, like just by comparison.
Right.
Most I shouldn't say most.
A lot of us are waking up sitting on the couch and doing that for a few hours and thentrying to then function as uh a human person not plugged into a machine for the rest of
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the day.
And you get kind of lost.
You're just like, what do I do without the device to work on?
Yeah, and I mean, the thing that's going to stick around for a long time is actuallyworking on a fixing machines because it's actually less cost effective to go through and
create generalized intelligence robots that go through and can like fix any car out there,for example.
a human being can read a thing, understand it, but it's going to augment its intelligenceby all these artificial intelligence mechanisms that say the best way to do this is X, Y
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and Z.
And I think that's the real trick is getting your your mind in the in the right spacewhere you're like, all right.
These tools aren't something to be afraid of.
These tools are things that are going to enhance and make me be better.
And then you just have to find the tools that are going to make those leaps for you tomake it easier to do.
But they're not going to be easy to find.
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And they're not, even more importantly, they're going to change rapidly.
So you're going to have to figure out a way to learn learning.
And I had really good friend of mine, I had lunch with the other day, tell me he actuallywrote an AI to do better prompt engineering so we can write
code better so we could use the prompt engineers to write code more effectively forhimself.
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So we could create these intent models to go through and do it and then to automaticallyupdate its own backend scripts as new things come out to put those things in place.
And I'm like, how is that working?
He goes, I think it's working great.
I'm like, what do mean?
He goes, it's spitting out good code.
I'm like, oh, but you don't know how to ask it if it's doing the good thing.
You don't know how to ask these other component pieces.
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And that's when I'm like, shit, this is just like dealing with people.
I don't know.
I don't know what the squishy part that's going on inside of this.
And we've just become so enamored with the idea that machines are predictable and createpredictable, consistent results that as we get into the soft, squishy world of AI where
machines are spitting out things that aren't necessarily the most accurate 100 % way ofdoing things is they become these inference models of probability.
(28:41):
It's going to get.
Just like us, it's going to get fucking scary because we don't have a source of truth.
Because our source of truth was all this data that we stored in one spot, compiled, andcan go back and go look and go, here's the answer.
Not there anymore, guys.
Sorry.
Now we're more alone in the wilderness than ever before.
and terrified and getting more scared every day.
(29:03):
If you're me, anyways.
ah
All right, well, I'm sure everything we've already said or everything that we've said inthe last 30 minutes is already antiquated and out of date.
So go ahead and skip to the next episode if you've gotten this far, because this isprobably already old information.
That next episode, at least here in reality, will be available in about a week at the fitmess.com.
(29:26):
Thanks so much for listening.
If you found this as terrifying as I have, please share it with someone else to scare themjust as much.
We'll see you in about a week at the fit mess.com.
Thanks for listening.
Bye bye.
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