December 19, 2024 • 44 mins
In this episode of the Gladden Longevity Podcast, Dr. Mike Van Thielen shares his extensive journey in health and wellness, focusing on the benefits of molecular hydrogen. He discusses his background in physical therapy, acupuncture, and holistic nutrition, leading to his interest in longevity and anti-aging. The conversation delves into the science behind molecular hydrogen, its role as a selective antioxidant, and its adaptogenic properties. Dr. Van Thielen also explains various methods of hydrogen delivery and its applications for gut health, emphasizing the importance of balance in health interventions.
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Takeaways
* Molecular hydrogen is gaining recognition for its therapeutic benefits.
* Hydrogen acts as a selective antioxidant, neutralizing harmful free radicals.
* It functions as an adaptogen, helping to balance bodily functions.
* Hydrogen promotes autophagy, aiding in cellular recycling.
* Hydrogen can cross the blood-brain barrier, offering neuroprotective effects.
* It is cytoprotective, benefiting mitochondrial health and energy production.
* Hydrogen is effective for gut health, improving conditions like leaky gut.
* Different delivery methods for hydrogen can be combined for optimal results.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Mike Van Thielen
05:51 Journey into Health and Longevity
13:46 Exploring Molecular Hydrogen
24:56 The Science Behind Hydrogen's Benefits
30:27 Hydrogen Delivery Methods and Dosing
41:08 Hydrogen for Gut Health and Conclusion
42:59 Goodbye
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(03:10):
Welcome everybody.
I'm joined today by Dr.
Mike Van Thielen and Mike's been on the show before.
He has a really interesting history, but he's become a big fan of molecular hydrogen.
So Mike, welcome to the Glad Longevity podcast.
Thanks for having me again, Dr.
Gladden.
Yeah, absolutely.
Maybe this is the last time or maybe it's the beginning of a series.
(03:32):
Who knows?
Right.
Right.
So.
Just to refresh the audience's memory, give them a little bit of your run in in terms ofhow you got interested in health.
I know there's a swim story in the background.
I know there's a bunch of interesting things, quite honestly.
Just give them a synopsis of that if you would.
Yeah, long story short, maybe you can hear my accent originally from Belgium.
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Was very competitive at an early age, mostly swimming.
And obviously when you look at competition and trying the best version of yourself, youhave to look at diet, you have to look at supplements.
So it always was an interest of mine even at a young age.
But when I came to the United States in 1997, I came here as a licensed physicaltherapist.
(04:13):
And luckily I ended up working in a facility where they were not just doing physicaltherapy, but were doing acupuncture and Chinese herbs and all kinds of other stuff that I
got exposure to and not to my...
You know, my observations were that combining those seemed to get better results.
So I went back to school, Florida College of Integrative Medicine got my license inacupuncture, Doctor of Oriental Medicine, board certified in Chinese herbs, homeopathy,
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the whole nine yards, which is all nice and dandy.
But after another thousand patients, I got really frustrated because these interventionsor therapies, they are indeed less invasive than conventional medicine, meaning drugs,
injections or surgeries.
But
I really didn't get the long lasting results I was hoping for either.
So that's when I decided I gotta dig deeper, I gotta go back to basics.
(05:01):
And that's when I decided to get my PhD in holistic nutrition.
But I also decided to look at Mother Nature and look at what do animals in the wild dobecause I believe Mother Nature somehow needs to have the answer to health.
And so from that point on, I became very confident in helping anybody with any medicalconditions regain control of their health.
Long story short, after that, obviously got interested in longevity and anti-aging andoptimal performance.
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Went to many of those A4N conferences in the early 2000s where the hormones and stuffbecame to be, bio-anarchical hormones became popular.
Then I got into the regenerative medicine, was the CEO of a stem cell clinic from 2015till COVID hit, because then we were non-essential and had to close the doors.
And then I kinda had to think to myself, what is it that I'm really passionate about?
(05:49):
And it's about educating people
I started writing more and more books and I'm considered a biohacking expert staying on,you know, the latest information on what's out there to objectively reverse our biological
ages.
And Dr.
Gladden, as the listeners know, is a prime example of success when it comes to reversingbiological age.
(06:10):
And obviously there's many modalities and technologies out there.
And you know, I dove deep into molecular hydrogen and my latest book is out already too.
I dove deep into PEMF, Pulse Electromagnetic Fields and Frequencies, because when I walkthose conferences, many times I have to wonder how many things are actually scientifically
(06:32):
based technologies versus gadgets that are fancy but really don't work.
And I always wondered about PEMF.
So my latest book, I kind of figured out that 90 % of the stuff out there really doesn'twork.
So that's my latest book.
But just to give you an example, you know, that I write those books, not just to informthe public necessarily, but when I'm interested in the topic and I force myself to write a
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book, I need to become the expert and I need to do more research.
And by the time I'm finished with the book, I'm the expert, but not when I started thebook.
I'm curious, we'll talk about hydrogen for sure because you know we've had a long standinginterest in hydrogen and have hydrogen products and things like that.
Tell me a little bit about your PEMF research because there is, I think there really isvalue to PEMF when it's done properly.
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What's what you figured out there?
Yeah, the most things I figured out is actually you know some basics is that most of thesetechnologies are digital.
When people talk about pulse or pulse rates and we apply it
digitally, our body is not going to absorb that because our body and our brain is analog,right?
(07:40):
So anytime you're looking at digital instruments or technologies with pulses and pulserates, it's already a no-no.
So that's number one.
Number two, so we need to look at analog PEMF devices and they are very, very rare.
So I found one that I'm very comfortable with in the United States.
(08:02):
I just got my unit at home.
And so the idea of the analog is not to kind of force frequencies into your body andhopefully something positive happens, but basically take all the frequencies of our own
body, which are quadrillions of them because each atom has its own frequency, right?
So, and then amplify those frequencies and steer them back into the body.
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So now the treatment becomes very, very individualized and it's gonna get those cells upto the normal healthy frequency they should be operating.
So that's kind of the premise of analog, you know, PEMF devices.
Right.
What's the name of your analog device?
EFS.
EFS, okay.
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Yeah.
I'll share it with you.
You always can look at the book.
It's on Amazon, PEMF Unplugged by Me.
It's a very easy read, but it kind of goes over all those things because, know, one ofthose things, and you know, Dr.
Gladden, you're at those conferences and conventions.
You know, people talk about, you know, the rife healing frequencies.
(09:07):
And so I had to go back, look at rife and his history and the student of Tesla and rifenever talked about healing frequencies.
Rife is known for basically blowing up pathogens and viruses.
He tried to kill stuff and the time we really couldn't accurately measure frequenciesbecause there were crystals and certain, you know, frequencies of crystals.
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And he was just looking to his microscope.
And when the virus started vibrating,
You know, he knew he had the right frequencies and he just amplified it and killed it.
But Reif never talked about healing frequencies.
So then I said, where do people come up with Reif's healing frequencies?
And they're showing me this whole book of Parkinson's, this frequency, COVID thisfrequency, MS this frequency.
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It's all based on a bunch of myths like the Earth's frequency and like Solveigio'sfrequency and Schumann's resonance.
And those are all kind of more myth than science.
And that's where these frequencies come from.
And so what I concluded is that, you know, most people out there selling these devices, Ithink they do have a good intention and they believe it works.
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They just don't know better.
And then there's just those few that know, they know really well there's their, theirtechnologies don't work, but they're still are trying to sell it.
That's never a good thing.
So it's interesting.
I like the conversational element of the EFS device, right?
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Because, you know, we're big fans here just conceptually of deconstructing a situationbefore we ever make recommendations about what to do.
Right.
And until you actually adequately know somebody really deeply from their genetics, throughtheir genetic expressions, through the metabolomics and all these things.
And when you actually know where somebody's at, now you can actually make an intelligent.
(10:58):
recommendation about where to start, how to proceed, right?
So in a scenario with, with the EFS, what I like about that is it sounds like the deviceis actually listening to the individual, getting to know the individual before it actually
responds.
It's kind of conversational.
Correct.
you think about almost any form of therapy, conversational elements are really part of it.
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So, you know, and I like the idea too, right?
Because it may be fixing things that we
doctors, patients, we're not even aware of, right?
So yes, I'm not diagnosed with cancer, but maybe there is some cancer growing in my bodyon the EFS machine, it will get that frequency of those cells back to normal versus, you
know, minus 35 mini volts or something like that.
(11:43):
exactly.
and again, some of these modalities, just like hydrogen, there's no side effects.
We cannot do harm.
And that's always the first rule.
And so if we cannot do harm, then, you know,
then at least we're trying to help people.
But it's still important for the consumer to have help and try to figure out what are thegadgets because again, lot of people spend a lot of money and it's a shame to spending
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time and money on something that's not gonna really benefit you, right?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And we've had success with what we would call more digital PEMF also in particularsituations.
But I like the idea of this listening.
this thing to know and then amplifying what needs to be done, right?
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That's really the idea is bringing, know, biology is an economy of balance.
So it's really about how do you bring everything back into balance?
Not always about that.
Right now, how do you, you know, take it to the nth degree here or suppress that to thenth degree?
Yeah, we understand that, right?
Because our job is to get the body in balance because then the body will take over and fixwhatever needs to be fixed.
(12:49):
That's just just to think that we have
70 trillion cells and each cell performs millions of chemical reactions per second.
So there's quadrillions of for example ATP produced per second.
the notion that we think that we can intervene and have a positive outcome is kind oflaughable, Incredibly complex system with so many feedback loops that you know, it's
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almost impossible to dissect it down.
I mean, I think in you know, in the age of
computer progress and AI and some other, think we're going to get there reallyunderstanding it deeply.
Right.
But I think at this juncture, it's still a little bit of a black box.
Yeah.
For sure.
Let's move on to, let's move on to molecular hydrogen.
So I first heard about molecular hydrogen, I think in 2015 and tried it, liked it, couldfeel the difference.
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was like, wow, okay, this is really good.
And then we've been using it ever since.
we've
developed a couple of products that are imprinted actually with information.
Frequencies, Frequencies, exactly, which are cool.
And we feel that too.
So tell us about your journey with hydrogen.
When did you get involved with it?
And then you ended up writing this book about hydrogen.
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Yeah, again, you know, being around biohacking and conventions and longevity, obviouslyhydrogen, like you said around 2015, it started popping up.
We all know it as a fuel for the rocket's arc.
alternative energy source, but I really wasn't aware of the extensive research thatalready was out there of utilizing molecular hydrogen as a medical device or a therapeutic
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device or regimen.
So of course I got interested in the molecular hydrogen applications, especially becauseagain, as we know now, it has so many benefits, right?
We have approximately 1100 white paper studies out there, including 200 human ones, whichis impressive.
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And it shows that it has a positive effect on over 170 common diseases.
And when you say that to the average doctor, say, that's impossible, right?
But in order to understand why it has a vast positive impact on all those diseases is ifyou understand its effect on your impact on physiology and biology, on a cellular and even
(15:08):
a matter-common level.
And if you understand what its actions are, then obviously it becomes easy to understandwhy it has such a positive effect on cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, gut problems, and
even again, helping us with living longer longevity or athletic performance.
And in all those areas, it will have that positive effect just because of its simplephysiological, biological effects.
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Yeah, it's kind of working at a level that becomes a root cause, a root...
element process to the vitality of almost every cell.
And therefore, it expresses itself through a myriad of different ways.
Right.
So talk to us a little bit about that.
Talk to us a little bit about how hydrogen works.
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the main the main functions or the main physiological effects is number one, it's known asa selective antioxidants.
We all know antioxidants to neutralize free radicals.
because excess free radicals cause that oxidative stress, which is not good for aging orfor disease, right?
But the key here is to understand that hydrogen, the first element on the periodic table,is the lightest element in the universe.
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It's the smallest molecule and it is not charged.
There's no positive or negative.
So because it's so small and not charged, it can easily cross the cell membrane and enterthe cell, protecting the RNA, the DNA, the proteins, et cetera.
So, you know, an extreme example, here's cancer, right?
What is cancer?
It's your mutation of our DNA.
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What's causing that mutation?
Well, it's free radicals inside the cell, mostly hydroxyl free radicals that causing thatmutation, right?
And here we are tumor cancer.
Now, what if we have something like molecular hydrogen that simply waltzes through thecross, the cell membrane enters the cell and neutralizes those hydroxyl free radicals.
So we can see how we can manage oxidative stress and even cancer.
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growth inside the cell.
The reason why they stay selective because it does not harm the antioxidants or the ROAS,the reactive oxygen species that are important for us because free radicals are important
in our immune system fighting pathogens, viruses, cell signaling, etc.
So it leaves the good ones alone and only neutralizes the harmful ones.
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So that's the number one thing.
Number two...
anti-inflammation.
It's a strong anti-inflammatory, you know, going through the NRRF2 pathway, reducingcytokine activity and all the interleukins, etc.
So there's plenty of research again that shows all the different ways it reduces systemicinflammation.
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And we now know and even conventional medicine agrees that over 90 % of all diseases isdirectly correlated to the systemic inflammation.
So it keeps that at bay, which is very important.
And those two are actually linked.
So, you know, what's the problem with inflammation?
Why is inflammation a problem?
Well, the inflammation is a problem because it increases oxidative stress.
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That's the real reason.
So this is why when you're, when you're both having an impact on the inflammation itself,but also the underlying problem that it causes, which is excess oxidative stress.
Now you're kind of getting, you know, you're kind of getting really a central process toboth health, longevity.
disease formation, disease resolution, et cetera.
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So one of the ways I like to think about hydrogen is that it's an adaptogen.
So in the sense of, you know, certain molecules, like say ashwagandha, if your cortisollevels and your adrenoc glands are depleted and your cortisol is too low, well, it will
raise your cortisol back to a you know, cortisol curve for the day.
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Always seeks balance.
Yeah, always seeks balance.
If it's too high, the ashwagandha will lower it back into right.
So an adaptogen is something that brings something back into balance.
And that's actually what hydrogen does.
It functions as an adaptogen.
So if you don't have enough superoxide dismutase, glutathione, peroxidase, catalase, theenzymes that we have to actually, they're like the catalytic converter in our mitochondria
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to convert those free radicals, it will upregulate the expression of those genetically.
And genetically we're built differently.
Some of us are built to actually express those very efficiently.
And some of us are not built to express them very efficiently.
And if you don't know your genetics, you should, but regardless, if you take the hydrogen,you can actually bring those up, right.
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And balance that.
And then the interesting thing about leaving the good molecules alone, it has to do withthe rate of reaction that hydrogen has with them.
So it has a much slower rate of reaction with nitric oxide than it does with right?
Which is basically bleach.
or, or Drano, right?
So the fact that it has a much higher rate of reaction with, with Drano, and, a muchslower reaction with, with nitric oxide, which we need for other things means that it's
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preferentially used in those pathways.
So it's interesting that the chemistry works out to where it's actually doing what itneeds to do without doing what it shouldn't be doing.
And it has the adaptogenic function of raising your own body's capacity to deal withoxidative stress.
while it's lowering inflammation.
It's almost like the perfect tool.
It is.
It's kind of almost hard to believe because you're just talking about adaptogenic.
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So if you look at some of its other functions, it's illustrated very clearly.
For example, it promotes autophagy, right?
So it's the recycling of used proteins in our cell and so on.
So it promotes that because that way you recycle or it regulates apoptosis.
It regulates.
The key is regulate, right?
It makes sure because
apoptosis, obviously for the listeners, are constantly, you know, forming new cells.
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So at the same time, as other cells need to die off to keep that balance.
And many times that process is sluggish.
And then we end up with what's called zombie cells or senescent cells.
And those are cells that are still taking resources, but not contributing to any functionin our body.
So we need to kind of get rid of those zombie cells.
And again,
molecular hydrogen shows that it both has a positive impact and regulates apoptosis andautophagy, which again illustrates that adaptogenic property of molecular hydrogen.
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exactly.
Now that's impressive stuff.
Yeah, and so, you know, I think there's a misconception around senescent cells thatsenescent cells are bad.
There have been companies formed around this concept that we need to just go in and wipeout senescent cells.
No, we got to keep the balance.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's interesting when you do that.
They come back with a vengeance, right?
You actually made your situation worse if you go in and wipe everything out.
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So it's really to your point, it's this question of balance and how do you how do youactually keep some senescent cells?
Senescent cells serve a purpose, right?
They really serve a purpose.
But then they do get hung up with a lack of apoptosis.
They're like a cancer cell in that they basically find ways not to die, even thoughthey're sitting there taking up space, utilizing resources and not doing anything
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constructive.
And then they can be
destructor where they throw out these inflammatory cytokines.
So they're kind of a nuisance, but they refuse to die.
Right.
And so it's kind of like Tom Cruise in top gun, you know, he becomes a nuisance to all theoffice.
be possible.
Yeah.
But he refuses to die.
So anyway, being able to, you know, potentiate, appropriate apoptosis becomes a reallycritical factor, in the whole longevity space for sure.
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So that's very cool.
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So
What kinds of hydrogen are there other things you want to mention about hydrogen before wego?
I guess we have cat selective antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, apoptosis, autophagy,obviously, cytoprotective.
So once it gets inside the cell, it does protect the mitochondria, the proteins, the RNA,the DNA.
Very important when we talk about degenerative diseases like neurodegenerative diseases.
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That's why hydrogen again also in study shows clearly it not only
can cross the cell membrane, but it easily can cross the blood brain barrier and thenenter the brain cells and have a protective effect.
So when we talk about dementia, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS, traumatic brain injury,stroke, you name it, we have very positive effects there also.
So also cytoprotective.
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And I guess the last thing is, most people don't know it's not only our cells that haveDNA, our mitochondria have their own DNA.
And again, research shows that
molecular hydrogen not only has a positive effect on the cell, but actually also on themitochondria, the energy production.
So that's why we have a positive effect on longevity and also athletic performance, notonly, you know, reducing that inflammation and fighting that excess oxidative stress, but
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also producing more clean energy.
That's right.
And to your point, the mitochondria, the DNA and the mitochondria are more vulnerable.
It's not a double strand.
It's basically a loop.
You know, kind of like a bacteria would have a loop of DNA.
So there's no double strand.
So there's no matching pair with something that's damaged that knows how to fix it.
Right.
It's not like that.
So the DNA, the accumulation of, of, you know, basically damage or genetic mutations orchanges in the mitochondrial DNA accumulate over our lifetime and being able to protect
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yourself.
You know, even if you're a young athlete, if you're listening to this and you're in yourteens or twenties or whatever,
taking hydrogen now is an amazing way to help protect yourself kind of all the waythrough.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, even one study even shows it stimulates the formation of new mitochondria, right?
Because many times when you look at the books, there's the cell and there's amitochondria, but most people don't realize that cells have more than one mitochondria,
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anywhere from 100 to 100,000.
So a skin cell only has about 100 because there's not much energy that the skin needs.
of course, fight of invaders, but then a heart cell, you're the cardiologist, has 100,000mitochondria because the heart obviously needs to continuously pump blood, et cetera, et
cetera.
So, you know, gotta think 37 trillion cells and each one of them 100 to 100,000mitochondria.
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Each one of those mitochondria producing, you know, millions of ATP per second.
So we're talking about quadrillions of productions of ATP per second, yeah.
That's right.
No, it's impressive.
know,
It's interesting also, when we started using hydrogen, we started giving it to some of theathletes that we work with.
Some of them were running the full Ironman.
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Some of them were running half Ironmans, things like that.
the reports we got back were that when they would get to a break in a stage and they woulddrink hydrogen, right?
would take them...
A couple minutes to drink the hydrogen, right?
Because you drop the tablet, you drink it, blah, blah.
doesn't take that long, but say it takes an extra minute to do that.
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Yeah.
What they reported to us was at the time they spent doing that was paid back.
I don't know.
Fifty fold.
Yeah.
Right.
Because they felt like the old battery was being taken out and a new battery was being putin.
So it gets you thinking about what is the cause of fatigue?
Why do we actually get fatigued if we're exercising?
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Right.
Well, it can be.
because you've run out of fuel, right?
So that's important.
You can literally run out of fuel.
But the primary reason we get fatigued, there's two forms of exercise.
There's mental exercise.
We're thinking, we're talking, we're solving problems.
That's an exercise.
And then there's physical exercise.
Well, why do we get fatigued because of any of them?
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Well, for me, I've started to understand that the fatigue is really a function of excessoxidative stress building up.
And if you basically take care of that, like if two o'clock in the afternoon and yourbrain's now tired, you know, and maybe you ate a little lunch or whatever, but your brain
is tired.
You drink the hydrogen.
Literally, you know, this too, 10 minutes later, it's like, man, it's like, just woke upagain.
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Same thing.
If you're out mountain biking or snowboarding and you just, know, did six hard runs andlike, you're tired and you drink the hydrogen is like, okay.
Let's go again.
Let's go for it.
Yeah.
So it's really fantastic in our ability to kind of modulate.
oxidative stress and the impact that it has on us, it extends the performance envelope,whether it's mental or physical, quite honestly, is my experience with it.
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So, yeah, no, exactly right.
So to me, there's almost no limitations.
And the good thing is, of course, you can't overdo it, right?
Because people say, course, you know, there's only so much water you can drink, but we gotdifferent forms of application.
But it's like if there would be an excess, we simply exhale it, right?
So so there's no overdose or there's no
Potential side effects either.
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That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, so talk to us a little bit about dosing There are different different ways to gethydrogen And some of it is drinking hydrogen water.
There are basically canisters that will generate hydrogen Into water usually get two tofour parts per million with something like that Yeah, there are tablets where you can get
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with one tablet ten parts per million two tablets twelve parts per million three tabletsthirteen parts so it's kind of a
diminishing return but you can kind of increase the amount.
And then there are hydrogen baths that people sit in and absorb it through their skin.
And then talk to us a little bit about inhalation.
So, you mentioned the different forms of application and many times it's, you know, what'sconvenient to travel a lot, what can I take with me, so that's kind of part of it.
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You know, many times it's the cost, what can I afford?
And then often is
Am I just trying to stay healthy and prevent or do I have a major condition that I need toovercome right now?
I think those three play a role, right?
Because if I'm battling cancer or Parkinson's, you know, I want to get high dose all thetime to do whatever I can because there's no possible adverse reaction.
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So I just want to take as much as I can because I'm in this critical situation.
But otherwise, of course, I have hydrogen tablets like yours.
You pop them in some water.
You know, like you said, it's only elemental magnesium, which changes the pH of the water,which then molecular hydrogen becomes a byproduct.
It's unstable, but it doesn't matter.
We're going to drink it immediately and we get this hydrogen in our system.
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other one.
And we're alkalinizing ourselves.
Of course.
Yes.
Yes.
The other ones you have those to go bottles.
They're kind of popular with our social media guys out there.
They're not bad, but they only contain a little bit of water.
you still gotta push a button which takes five, 10 minutes.
So it's a little bit slower than your tablet.
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And they produce four to five, so a little bit less than the tablets.
So they produce a little bit less, but it's convenient too.
gotta put, again, you gotta put clean water in it or spring water in it.
It's a little fancy, push a button.
So that's your electrolysis system that basically splits your H2O in hydrogen gas.
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and oxygen gas, the oxygen escapes and then the hydrogen is put back into the water as asuspension because it doesn't form water again.
So yes, it's stable, but why do you gonna drink it anyways?
Otherwise you wouldn't have made it, right?
So those are the bottles.
Then you have hydrogen units, know, thousand, 2000, $3,000 that you can put on yourkitchen counter.
You know, if you never leave home, that's a good option.
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You don't have to wait, it kind of cleans the water, makes it pH and has the similarsystem.
And then you got your inhalation devices, which I like for people that really need tocombat a certain type of disease, especially when it's neurodegenerative, because we
inhale it through the nose, and then we know it's gonna enter the blood brain barrierimmediately with some nitric oxide in there and do what it needs to do.
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The difference, I guess, between hydrogen and inhalation is the amount of hydrogen that wecan get into our body at a certain time.
So for example, I have
You know, I have now a 600 cc flow rate at home.
What this means is it produces 600 cc's per minute.
But the hydrogen, because most people don't know the simple math, hydrogen is only 4.3 %or less of that because hydrogen becomes flammable after 4.3%.
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So it's always going to be less than that 4.3%.
So the 600 translates in 25 cc's or milligrams per minute.
But, you know, if I have regular water that only produces 1.7,
you know, cc's per minute, I would have to drink 62 gallons versus 15 minutes being on thehydrogen.
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So what I'm trying to say is it gives a much higher concentration and saturation quicker.
But really, we don't really know yet, Dr.
Gladden, unless you do, you know, how fast does the body saturate?
I know it's, you know, 1.8 to 2 in the blood per liter, but how fast is it used?
When should we take it again?
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We don't really have those parameters yet.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I'm not aware of the data on that.
I haven't really seen it because again, biology is an economy of balance.
It's not about I want to live in.
I don't want to live on a planet where I breathe hydrogen.
Right.
So I think I do think, though, that
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There are situations where inhaling it makes a lot of sense.
And I agree with neurodegenerative, probably cancer, people going through chemotherapy,radiation, things like that, where it's really very protective of the normal, the normal
cells.
and then I think also people that are doing big athletic endeavors, right?
say they're going to try to run a marathon or they're going to do whatever.
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think when you finish that race or, even if you took a break halfway through and youinhaled stuff for.
three or four minutes, you'd probably feel like a new human being.
Right.
And so I think in those situations where there's kind of big demand.
And so you have to think about that.
Who's under a lot of inflammation, who's under a lot of oxidative stress.
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Right.
And I think in those situations, you want to dial up your dose, right.
Either with more tablets and drinking more frequently or using the inhalation.
And I, don't have an insulate inhalation unit yet.
I've been looking at them.
but I want to get one because I'm curious to see, and maybe you can speak to this, whatthe impact of it is on sleep quality or things like that.
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Yeah, it's great.
My girlfriend, if she doesn't do an hour of inhalation before we go to bed, you know, shefalls asleep pretty good, but when she wakes up to go to the restroom, she doesn't fall
asleep again.
When she does the hydrogen, she goes straight back to sleep.
So she loves it.
She doesn't want to go to bed without the hydrogen.
So again, for whatever reason, it has a good impact on sleep.
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recovery too.
Yeah.
Have you used it for sleep yourself?
Yes, I use it an hour per day too, but I never am that person that says, my God, I feelthe significant difference.
And maybe because I do many different things just like you.
And I don't really say like, my God, I feel better in the long run or overall with all thethings I do.
Yeah.
I, I feel good for my age and I perform for my age.
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but it's usually when we put our patients on it, right?
Dr.
Gladden that are suffering, they feel an immediate.
difference when we put them on our tools and our strategies and our technologiesourselves, you know, we can have objective measurements, though we can also have our
objective measurements.
That's right.
Yeah.
When you get when you get yourself pretty well optimized, then you're pretty welloptimized.
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Right.
And when you add more things to it, it doesn't really improve on optimization.
Again, this economy of balance.
Maybe we're preventing continue to prevent.
Yeah.
100 percent.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, I think it's good to live in that.
in that bubble of optimization.
think that's the goal.
And I think the goal too is to, is to layer in the hormetic stresses, right?
These stresses that make us stronger, but don't break us, to kind of challenge the systemto get stronger, whether it's fasting, running, swimming, you know, being outside,
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whatever it is, you know, doing all that.
And I think when you're going to push on that piece, you know, using the hydrogen to helpyou recover.
doesn't really break down the signaling molecules that are allowing you to get stronger.
It's just protecting you from the unnecessary damage that you'd be getting by hiking forfour hours, right?
Yeah, exactly.
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No, correct.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Awesome.
So what's your inhalation device that you have at home?
I'm sure you've researched these.
Yeah, I have a few.
Well, you know, again, it depends.
The Ferrari of machines out there today to me is still the Ulight one.
You probably know Ulight USA.
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They have different devices, but their hydrogen device is really the most sturdy one rightnow.
It's a commercial device.
Unless you have plenty of money, I think they run about $14,000.
My device is $5,000.
That's what I could afford.
Some of my clients can't afford that.
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So again, is it tablets?
Do you get a $200 dollar baller?
Do you do a monthly prescription on tablets?
Do you get an inhalation device?
I guess the cheapest one out there that are decent, and I can explain that too, are about$3,900 for home use.
So that's doable because most of companies have payment plans.
But you don't want to get too cheap because a lot of these devices that are coming fromChina and other countries that are cheap, maybe $900, it's very important what the device
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is made of, the material.
And it needs to be white gold, platinum, or titanium.
And so when I discussed it in my book too, but when you're a consumer, you want to reallylook at the runtime.
The runtime is how long can you keep it running without a break?
And if the runtime is very low, one, two hours, what it means is that the material ischeap because it would start oxidizing and releasing all kinds of bad gases that you then
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inhale with your hydrogen gas.
that's no good.
You're going to do more harm than good.
So you really want something that runs five, six, seven, eight hours or longer.
And that would indicate that it's made out of platinum, titanium, white gold, those typesof things.
And so the only one available in the US might be the ULITE USA one.
But again, there's a price to that, right?
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So when I have clients, I kind of see what are their needs?
Do they have cancer?
Are they just an athlete?
What is their budget?
And what can we do the best for that person when it comes to these devices?
Yeah.
What's the company that makes the $3,900 one?
I'm sure the audience would like to know that.
Yes.
Hydroheal.
Go to hydroheal.com.
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Okay.
And what's the $5,000 one that you have?
Same.
Hydroheal.com has an HW, an HH 300, flow rate of 300, and I got the 600.
So it produces twice the amount basically in the same time.
If you want to save money, you just do the treatment twice as long.
Got it.
Time or money, right?
it's time or money always, right?
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That's it.
Okay.
Cool.
Well, that's really exciting.
So are there other things you'd like to share with the audience about hydrogen or wherethey can find your book?
think we basically covered everything.
Also, maybe your listeners, anybody that has digestive problems, GI problems, leaky gut,irritable bowel, anything with our food intolerances, hydrogen is one of those things that
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works well.
And in this case, I probably would promote the water or your tablets.
Dr.
Glenn because it comes in direct contact with the gut if you drink it first inhaling itright so like you mentioned earlier neurodegenerative inhaling makes sense but when it
comes to the gut maybe drinking makes more sense because what what we all know let's sayCrohn's disease you go to the doctor they put you on a diet and it kind of doesn't work
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anyways right because nothing really happens
But it is because the gut needs a certain electrical potential in order for the goodbacteria, the anaerobic bacteria, to colonize.
And so when there's no response, that means it's the environment that's not suitable forcolonization of the good bacteria.
So what hydrogen seems to do in two or three weeks already is to get that microvoltageback up to where it's supposed to be, minus 300, minus 400 millivolts.
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now the diet and the pro and prebiotics, now they can work because these good bacteria cancolonize.
So for people in that whole GI condition arena, which is many of us, they certainly couldalso benefit from hydrogen water.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
We use that as well in our gut protocols for that reason.
Now, good stuff.
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Well, Mike, it's been a pleasure chatting with you again.
Always.
Yeah, always.
Good to catch up.
I'm sure we'll bump into each other at one of these meetings.
So always good.
All right.
Well, good.
So people can get your book where?
Amazon or my website.
So it's called Molecular Alchemy.
You can get it on Amazon or my website.
Biohackingunlimited.com is all my books, all my information.
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It has a research page on molecular hydrogen.
We talked about your tablets are on there.
Dr.
Bladden has the recommended tablets and all the other units we talked about.
There's the links there.
You can do a little bit of research.
You also can also obviously reach out to Dr.
Gladden or myself to get a free consult to see what's best for you based on your conditionand your budget.
And we can kind of guide you to see what you need.
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And I have tablets, I have a little bottle when I travel and I have my inhalation machineat home.
So, you know, you can combine them, of course, also.
Yeah, exactly.
Good stuff.
All right.
Well, enjoy the rest of your day, Well, you're best.
Thanks for your time and see you soon.
See you soon.
Welcome everybody.
I'm joined today by Dr.
Mike Van Thielen and Mike's been on the show before.
He has a really interesting history, but he's become a big fan of molecular hydrogen.
So Mike, welcome to the Glad Longevity podcast.
Thanks for having me again, Dr.
Gladden.
Yeah, absolutely.
Maybe this is the last time or maybe it's the beginning of a series.
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Who knows?
Right.
Right.
So.
Just to refresh the audience's memory, give them a little bit of your run in in terms ofhow you got interested in health.
I know there's a swim story in the background.
I know there's a bunch of interesting things, quite honestly.
Just give them a synopsis of that if you would.
Yeah, long story short, maybe you can hear my accent originally from Belgium.
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Was very competitive at an early age, mostly swimming.
And obviously when you look at competition and trying the best version of yourself, youhave to look at diet, you have to look at supplements.
So it always was an interest of mine even at a young age.
But when I came to the United States in 1997, I came here as a licensed physicaltherapist.
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And luckily I ended up working in a facility where they were not just doing physicaltherapy, but were doing acupuncture and Chinese herbs and all kinds of other stuff that I
got exposure to and not to my...
You know, my observations were that combining those seemed to get better results.
So I went back to school, Florida College of Integrative Medicine got my license inacupuncture, Doctor of Oriental Medicine, board certified in Chinese herbs, homeopathy,
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the whole nine yards, which is all nice and dandy.
But after another thousand patients, I got really frustrated because these interventionsor therapies, they are indeed less invasive than conventional medicine, meaning drugs,
injections or surgeries.
But
I really didn't get the long lasting results I was hoping for either.
So that's when I decided I gotta dig deeper, I gotta go back to basics.
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And that's when I decided to get my PhD in holistic nutrition.
But I also decided to look at Mother Nature and look at what do animals in the wild dobecause I believe Mother Nature somehow needs to have the answer to health.
And so from that point on, I became very confident in helping anybody with any medicalconditions regain control of their health.
Long story short, after that, obviously got interested in longevity and anti-aging andoptimal performance.
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Went to many of those A4N conferences in the early 2000s where the hormones and stuffbecame to be, bio-anarchical hormones became popular.
Then I got into the regenerative medicine, was the CEO of a stem cell clinic from 2015till COVID hit, because then we were non-essential and had to close the doors.
And then I kinda had to think to myself, what is it that I'm really passionate about?
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And it's about educating people
I started writing more and more books and I'm considered a biohacking expert staying on,you know, the latest information on what's out there to objectively reverse our biological
ages.
And Dr.
Gladden, as the listeners know, is a prime example of success when it comes to reversingbiological age.
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And obviously there's many modalities and technologies out there.
And you know, I dove deep into molecular hydrogen and my latest book is out already too.
I dove deep into PEMF, Pulse Electromagnetic Fields and Frequencies, because when I walkthose conferences, many times I have to wonder how many things are actually scientifically
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based technologies versus gadgets that are fancy but really don't work.
And I always wondered about PEMF.
So my latest book, I kind of figured out that 90 % of the stuff out there really doesn'twork.
So that's my latest book.
But just to give you an example, you know, that I write those books, not just to informthe public necessarily, but when I'm interested in the topic and I force myself to write a
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book, I need to become the expert and I need to do more research.
And by the time I'm finished with the book, I'm the expert, but not when I started thebook.
I'm curious, we'll talk about hydrogen for sure because you know we've had a long standinginterest in hydrogen and have hydrogen products and things like that.
Tell me a little bit about your PEMF research because there is, I think there really isvalue to PEMF when it's done properly.
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What's what you figured out there?
Yeah, the most things I figured out is actually you know some basics is that most of thesetechnologies are digital.
When people talk about pulse or pulse rates and we apply it
digitally, our body is not going to absorb that because our body and our brain is analog,right?
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So anytime you're looking at digital instruments or technologies with pulses and pulserates, it's already a no-no.
So that's number one.
Number two, so we need to look at analog PEMF devices and they are very, very rare.
So I found one that I'm very comfortable with in the United States.
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I just got my unit at home.
And so the idea of the analog is not to kind of force frequencies into your body andhopefully something positive happens, but basically take all the frequencies of our own
body, which are quadrillions of them because each atom has its own frequency, right?
So, and then amplify those frequencies and steer them back into the body.
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So now the treatment becomes very, very individualized and it's gonna get those cells upto the normal healthy frequency they should be operating.
So that's kind of the premise of analog, you know, PEMF devices.
Right.
What's the name of your analog device?
EFS.
EFS, okay.
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Yeah.
I'll share it with you.
You always can look at the book.
It's on Amazon, PEMF Unplugged by Me.
It's a very easy read, but it kind of goes over all those things because, know, one ofthose things, and you know, Dr.
Gladden, you're at those conferences and conventions.
You know, people talk about, you know, the rife healing frequencies.
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And so I had to go back, look at rife and his history and the student of Tesla and rifenever talked about healing frequencies.
Rife is known for basically blowing up pathogens and viruses.
He tried to kill stuff and the time we really couldn't accurately measure frequenciesbecause there were crystals and certain, you know, frequencies of crystals.
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And he was just looking to his microscope.
And when the virus started vibrating,
You know, he knew he had the right frequencies and he just amplified it and killed it.
But Reif never talked about healing frequencies.
So then I said, where do people come up with Reif's healing frequencies?
And they're showing me this whole book of Parkinson's, this frequency, COVID thisfrequency, MS this frequency.
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It's all based on a bunch of myths like the Earth's frequency and like Solveigio'sfrequency and Schumann's resonance.
And those are all kind of more myth than science.
And that's where these frequencies come from.
And so what I concluded is that, you know, most people out there selling these devices, Ithink they do have a good intention and they believe it works.
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They just don't know better.
And then there's just those few that know, they know really well there's their, theirtechnologies don't work, but they're still are trying to sell it.
That's never a good thing.
So it's interesting.
I like the conversational element of the EFS device, right?
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Because, you know, we're big fans here just conceptually of deconstructing a situationbefore we ever make recommendations about what to do.
Right.
And until you actually adequately know somebody really deeply from their genetics, throughtheir genetic expressions, through the metabolomics and all these things.
And when you actually know where somebody's at, now you can actually make an intelligent.
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recommendation about where to start, how to proceed, right?
So in a scenario with, with the EFS, what I like about that is it sounds like the deviceis actually listening to the individual, getting to know the individual before it actually
responds.
It's kind of conversational.
Correct.
you think about almost any form of therapy, conversational elements are really part of it.
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So, you know, and I like the idea too, right?
Because it may be fixing things that we
doctors, patients, we're not even aware of, right?
So yes, I'm not diagnosed with cancer, but maybe there is some cancer growing in my bodyon the EFS machine, it will get that frequency of those cells back to normal versus, you
know, minus 35 mini volts or something like that.
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exactly.
and again, some of these modalities, just like hydrogen, there's no side effects.
We cannot do harm.
And that's always the first rule.
And so if we cannot do harm, then, you know,
then at least we're trying to help people.
But it's still important for the consumer to have help and try to figure out what are thegadgets because again, lot of people spend a lot of money and it's a shame to spending
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time and money on something that's not gonna really benefit you, right?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And we've had success with what we would call more digital PEMF also in particularsituations.
But I like the idea of this listening.
this thing to know and then amplifying what needs to be done, right?
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That's really the idea is bringing, know, biology is an economy of balance.
So it's really about how do you bring everything back into balance?
Not always about that.
Right now, how do you, you know, take it to the nth degree here or suppress that to thenth degree?
Yeah, we understand that, right?
Because our job is to get the body in balance because then the body will take over and fixwhatever needs to be fixed.
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That's just just to think that we have
70 trillion cells and each cell performs millions of chemical reactions per second.
So there's quadrillions of for example ATP produced per second.
the notion that we think that we can intervene and have a positive outcome is kind oflaughable, Incredibly complex system with so many feedback loops that you know, it's
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almost impossible to dissect it down.
I mean, I think in you know, in the age of
computer progress and AI and some other, think we're going to get there reallyunderstanding it deeply.
Right.
But I think at this juncture, it's still a little bit of a black box.
Yeah.
For sure.
Let's move on to, let's move on to molecular hydrogen.
So I first heard about molecular hydrogen, I think in 2015 and tried it, liked it, couldfeel the difference.
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was like, wow, okay, this is really good.
And then we've been using it ever since.
we've
developed a couple of products that are imprinted actually with information.
Frequencies, Frequencies, exactly, which are cool.
And we feel that too.
So tell us about your journey with hydrogen.
When did you get involved with it?
And then you ended up writing this book about hydrogen.
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Yeah, again, you know, being around biohacking and conventions and longevity, obviouslyhydrogen, like you said around 2015, it started popping up.
We all know it as a fuel for the rocket's arc.
alternative energy source, but I really wasn't aware of the extensive research thatalready was out there of utilizing molecular hydrogen as a medical device or a therapeutic
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device or regimen.
So of course I got interested in the molecular hydrogen applications, especially becauseagain, as we know now, it has so many benefits, right?
We have approximately 1100 white paper studies out there, including 200 human ones, whichis impressive.
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And it shows that it has a positive effect on over 170 common diseases.
And when you say that to the average doctor, say, that's impossible, right?
But in order to understand why it has a vast positive impact on all those diseases is ifyou understand its effect on your impact on physiology and biology, on a cellular and even
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a matter-common level.
And if you understand what its actions are, then obviously it becomes easy to understandwhy it has such a positive effect on cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, gut problems, and
even again, helping us with living longer longevity or athletic performance.
And in all those areas, it will have that positive effect just because of its simplephysiological, biological effects.
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Yeah, it's kind of working at a level that becomes a root cause, a root...
element process to the vitality of almost every cell.
And therefore, it expresses itself through a myriad of different ways.
Right.
So talk to us a little bit about that.
Talk to us a little bit about how hydrogen works.
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the main the main functions or the main physiological effects is number one, it's known asa selective antioxidants.
We all know antioxidants to neutralize free radicals.
because excess free radicals cause that oxidative stress, which is not good for aging orfor disease, right?
But the key here is to understand that hydrogen, the first element on the periodic table,is the lightest element in the universe.
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It's the smallest molecule and it is not charged.
There's no positive or negative.
So because it's so small and not charged, it can easily cross the cell membrane and enterthe cell, protecting the RNA, the DNA, the proteins, et cetera.
So, you know, an extreme example, here's cancer, right?
What is cancer?
It's your mutation of our DNA.
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What's causing that mutation?
Well, it's free radicals inside the cell, mostly hydroxyl free radicals that causing thatmutation, right?
And here we are tumor cancer.
Now, what if we have something like molecular hydrogen that simply waltzes through thecross, the cell membrane enters the cell and neutralizes those hydroxyl free radicals.
So we can see how we can manage oxidative stress and even cancer.
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growth inside the cell.
The reason why they stay selective because it does not harm the antioxidants or the ROAS,the reactive oxygen species that are important for us because free radicals are important
in our immune system fighting pathogens, viruses, cell signaling, etc.
So it leaves the good ones alone and only neutralizes the harmful ones.
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So that's the number one thing.
Number two...
anti-inflammation.
It's a strong anti-inflammatory, you know, going through the NRRF2 pathway, reducingcytokine activity and all the interleukins, etc.
So there's plenty of research again that shows all the different ways it reduces systemicinflammation.
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And we now know and even conventional medicine agrees that over 90 % of all diseases isdirectly correlated to the systemic inflammation.
So it keeps that at bay, which is very important.
And those two are actually linked.
So, you know, what's the problem with inflammation?
Why is inflammation a problem?
Well, the inflammation is a problem because it increases oxidative stress.
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That's the real reason.
So this is why when you're, when you're both having an impact on the inflammation itself,but also the underlying problem that it causes, which is excess oxidative stress.
Now you're kind of getting, you know, you're kind of getting really a central process toboth health, longevity.
disease formation, disease resolution, et cetera.
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So one of the ways I like to think about hydrogen is that it's an adaptogen.
So in the sense of, you know, certain molecules, like say ashwagandha, if your cortisollevels and your adrenoc glands are depleted and your cortisol is too low, well, it will
raise your cortisol back to a you know, cortisol curve for the day.
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Always seeks balance.
Yeah, always seeks balance.
If it's too high, the ashwagandha will lower it back into right.
So an adaptogen is something that brings something back into balance.
And that's actually what hydrogen does.
It functions as an adaptogen.
So if you don't have enough superoxide dismutase, glutathione, peroxidase, catalase, theenzymes that we have to actually, they're like the catalytic converter in our mitochondria
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to convert those free radicals, it will upregulate the expression of those genetically.
And genetically we're built differently.
Some of us are built to actually express those very efficiently.
And some of us are not built to express them very efficiently.
And if you don't know your genetics, you should, but regardless, if you take the hydrogen,you can actually bring those up, right.
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And balance that.
And then the interesting thing about leaving the good molecules alone, it has to do withthe rate of reaction that hydrogen has with them.
So it has a much slower rate of reaction with nitric oxide than it does with right?
Which is basically bleach.
or, or Drano, right?
So the fact that it has a much higher rate of reaction with, with Drano, and, a muchslower reaction with, with nitric oxide, which we need for other things means that it's
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preferentially used in those pathways.
So it's interesting that the chemistry works out to where it's actually doing what itneeds to do without doing what it shouldn't be doing.
And it has the adaptogenic function of raising your own body's capacity to deal withoxidative stress.
while it's lowering inflammation.
It's almost like the perfect tool.
It is.
It's kind of almost hard to believe because you're just talking about adaptogenic.
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So if you look at some of its other functions, it's illustrated very clearly.
For example, it promotes autophagy, right?
So it's the recycling of used proteins in our cell and so on.
So it promotes that because that way you recycle or it regulates apoptosis.
It regulates.
The key is regulate, right?
It makes sure because
apoptosis, obviously for the listeners, are constantly, you know, forming new cells.
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So at the same time, as other cells need to die off to keep that balance.
And many times that process is sluggish.
And then we end up with what's called zombie cells or senescent cells.
And those are cells that are still taking resources, but not contributing to any functionin our body.
So we need to kind of get rid of those zombie cells.
And again,
molecular hydrogen shows that it both has a positive impact and regulates apoptosis andautophagy, which again illustrates that adaptogenic property of molecular hydrogen.
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exactly.
Now that's impressive stuff.
Yeah, and so, you know, I think there's a misconception around senescent cells thatsenescent cells are bad.
There have been companies formed around this concept that we need to just go in and wipeout senescent cells.
No, we got to keep the balance.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's interesting when you do that.
They come back with a vengeance, right?
You actually made your situation worse if you go in and wipe everything out.
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So it's really to your point, it's this question of balance and how do you how do youactually keep some senescent cells?
Senescent cells serve a purpose, right?
They really serve a purpose.
But then they do get hung up with a lack of apoptosis.
They're like a cancer cell in that they basically find ways not to die, even thoughthey're sitting there taking up space, utilizing resources and not doing anything
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constructive.
And then they can be
destructor where they throw out these inflammatory cytokines.
So they're kind of a nuisance, but they refuse to die.
Right.
And so it's kind of like Tom Cruise in top gun, you know, he becomes a nuisance to all theoffice.
be possible.
Yeah.
But he refuses to die.
So anyway, being able to, you know, potentiate, appropriate apoptosis becomes a reallycritical factor, in the whole longevity space for sure.
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So that's very cool.
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So
What kinds of hydrogen are there other things you want to mention about hydrogen before wego?
I guess we have cat selective antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, apoptosis, autophagy,obviously, cytoprotective.
So once it gets inside the cell, it does protect the mitochondria, the proteins, the RNA,the DNA.
Very important when we talk about degenerative diseases like neurodegenerative diseases.
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That's why hydrogen again also in study shows clearly it not only
can cross the cell membrane, but it easily can cross the blood brain barrier and thenenter the brain cells and have a protective effect.
So when we talk about dementia, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS, traumatic brain injury,stroke, you name it, we have very positive effects there also.
So also cytoprotective.
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And I guess the last thing is, most people don't know it's not only our cells that haveDNA, our mitochondria have their own DNA.
And again, research shows that
molecular hydrogen not only has a positive effect on the cell, but actually also on themitochondria, the energy production.
So that's why we have a positive effect on longevity and also athletic performance, notonly, you know, reducing that inflammation and fighting that excess oxidative stress, but
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also producing more clean energy.
That's right.
And to your point, the mitochondria, the DNA and the mitochondria are more vulnerable.
It's not a double strand.
It's basically a loop.
You know, kind of like a bacteria would have a loop of DNA.
So there's no double strand.
So there's no matching pair with something that's damaged that knows how to fix it.
Right.
It's not like that.
So the DNA, the accumulation of, of, you know, basically damage or genetic mutations orchanges in the mitochondrial DNA accumulate over our lifetime and being able to protect
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yourself.
You know, even if you're a young athlete, if you're listening to this and you're in yourteens or twenties or whatever,
taking hydrogen now is an amazing way to help protect yourself kind of all the waythrough.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, even one study even shows it stimulates the formation of new mitochondria, right?
Because many times when you look at the books, there's the cell and there's amitochondria, but most people don't realize that cells have more than one mitochondria,
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anywhere from 100 to 100,000.
So a skin cell only has about 100 because there's not much energy that the skin needs.
of course, fight of invaders, but then a heart cell, you're the cardiologist, has 100,000mitochondria because the heart obviously needs to continuously pump blood, et cetera, et
cetera.
So, you know, gotta think 37 trillion cells and each one of them 100 to 100,000mitochondria.
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Each one of those mitochondria producing, you know, millions of ATP per second.
So we're talking about quadrillions of productions of ATP per second, yeah.
That's right.
No, it's impressive.
know,
It's interesting also, when we started using hydrogen, we started giving it to some of theathletes that we work with.
Some of them were running the full Ironman.
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Some of them were running half Ironmans, things like that.
the reports we got back were that when they would get to a break in a stage and they woulddrink hydrogen, right?
would take them...
A couple minutes to drink the hydrogen, right?
Because you drop the tablet, you drink it, blah, blah.
doesn't take that long, but say it takes an extra minute to do that.
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Yeah.
What they reported to us was at the time they spent doing that was paid back.
I don't know.
Fifty fold.
Yeah.
Right.
Because they felt like the old battery was being taken out and a new battery was being putin.
So it gets you thinking about what is the cause of fatigue?
Why do we actually get fatigued if we're exercising?
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Right.
Well, it can be.
because you've run out of fuel, right?
So that's important.
You can literally run out of fuel.
But the primary reason we get fatigued, there's two forms of exercise.
There's mental exercise.
We're thinking, we're talking, we're solving problems.
That's an exercise.
And then there's physical exercise.
Well, why do we get fatigued because of any of them?
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Well, for me, I've started to understand that the fatigue is really a function of excessoxidative stress building up.
And if you basically take care of that, like if two o'clock in the afternoon and yourbrain's now tired, you know, and maybe you ate a little lunch or whatever, but your brain
is tired.
You drink the hydrogen.
Literally, you know, this too, 10 minutes later, it's like, man, it's like, just woke upagain.
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Same thing.
If you're out mountain biking or snowboarding and you just, know, did six hard runs andlike, you're tired and you drink the hydrogen is like, okay.
Let's go again.
Let's go for it.
Yeah.
So it's really fantastic in our ability to kind of modulate.
oxidative stress and the impact that it has on us, it extends the performance envelope,whether it's mental or physical, quite honestly, is my experience with it.
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So, yeah, no, exactly right.
So to me, there's almost no limitations.
And the good thing is, of course, you can't overdo it, right?
Because people say, course, you know, there's only so much water you can drink, but we gotdifferent forms of application.
But it's like if there would be an excess, we simply exhale it, right?
So so there's no overdose or there's no
Potential side effects either.
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That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, so talk to us a little bit about dosing There are different different ways to gethydrogen And some of it is drinking hydrogen water.
There are basically canisters that will generate hydrogen Into water usually get two tofour parts per million with something like that Yeah, there are tablets where you can get
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with one tablet ten parts per million two tablets twelve parts per million three tabletsthirteen parts so it's kind of a
diminishing return but you can kind of increase the amount.
And then there are hydrogen baths that people sit in and absorb it through their skin.
And then talk to us a little bit about inhalation.
So, you mentioned the different forms of application and many times it's, you know, what'sconvenient to travel a lot, what can I take with me, so that's kind of part of it.
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You know, many times it's the cost, what can I afford?
And then often is
Am I just trying to stay healthy and prevent or do I have a major condition that I need toovercome right now?
I think those three play a role, right?
Because if I'm battling cancer or Parkinson's, you know, I want to get high dose all thetime to do whatever I can because there's no possible adverse reaction.
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So I just want to take as much as I can because I'm in this critical situation.
But otherwise, of course, I have hydrogen tablets like yours.
You pop them in some water.
You know, like you said, it's only elemental magnesium, which changes the pH of the water,which then molecular hydrogen becomes a byproduct.
It's unstable, but it doesn't matter.
We're going to drink it immediately and we get this hydrogen in our system.
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other one.
And we're alkalinizing ourselves.
Of course.
Yes.
Yes.
The other ones you have those to go bottles.
They're kind of popular with our social media guys out there.
They're not bad, but they only contain a little bit of water.
you still gotta push a button which takes five, 10 minutes.
So it's a little bit slower than your tablet.
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And they produce four to five, so a little bit less than the tablets.
So they produce a little bit less, but it's convenient too.
gotta put, again, you gotta put clean water in it or spring water in it.
It's a little fancy, push a button.
So that's your electrolysis system that basically splits your H2O in hydrogen gas.
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and oxygen gas, the oxygen escapes and then the hydrogen is put back into the water as asuspension because it doesn't form water again.
So yes, it's stable, but why do you gonna drink it anyways?
Otherwise you wouldn't have made it, right?
So those are the bottles.
Then you have hydrogen units, know, thousand, 2000, $3,000 that you can put on yourkitchen counter.
You know, if you never leave home, that's a good option.
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You don't have to wait, it kind of cleans the water, makes it pH and has the similarsystem.
And then you got your inhalation devices, which I like for people that really need tocombat a certain type of disease, especially when it's neurodegenerative, because we
inhale it through the nose, and then we know it's gonna enter the blood brain barrierimmediately with some nitric oxide in there and do what it needs to do.
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The difference, I guess, between hydrogen and inhalation is the amount of hydrogen that wecan get into our body at a certain time.
So for example, I have
You know, I have now a 600 cc flow rate at home.
What this means is it produces 600 cc's per minute.
But the hydrogen, because most people don't know the simple math, hydrogen is only 4.3 %or less of that because hydrogen becomes flammable after 4.3%.
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So it's always going to be less than that 4.3%.
So the 600 translates in 25 cc's or milligrams per minute.
But, you know, if I have regular water that only produces 1.7,
you know, cc's per minute, I would have to drink 62 gallons versus 15 minutes being on thehydrogen.
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So what I'm trying to say is it gives a much higher concentration and saturation quicker.
But really, we don't really know yet, Dr.
Gladden, unless you do, you know, how fast does the body saturate?
I know it's, you know, 1.8 to 2 in the blood per liter, but how fast is it used?
When should we take it again?
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We don't really have those parameters yet.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I'm not aware of the data on that.
I haven't really seen it because again, biology is an economy of balance.
It's not about I want to live in.
I don't want to live on a planet where I breathe hydrogen.
Right.
So I think I do think, though, that
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There are situations where inhaling it makes a lot of sense.
And I agree with neurodegenerative, probably cancer, people going through chemotherapy,radiation, things like that, where it's really very protective of the normal, the normal
cells.
and then I think also people that are doing big athletic endeavors, right?
say they're going to try to run a marathon or they're going to do whatever.
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think when you finish that race or, even if you took a break halfway through and youinhaled stuff for.
three or four minutes, you'd probably feel like a new human being.
Right.
And so I think in those situations where there's kind of big demand.
And so you have to think about that.
Who's under a lot of inflammation, who's under a lot of oxidative stress.
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Right.
And I think in those situations, you want to dial up your dose, right.
Either with more tablets and drinking more frequently or using the inhalation.
And I, don't have an insulate inhalation unit yet.
I've been looking at them.
but I want to get one because I'm curious to see, and maybe you can speak to this, whatthe impact of it is on sleep quality or things like that.
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Yeah, it's great.
My girlfriend, if she doesn't do an hour of inhalation before we go to bed, you know, shefalls asleep pretty good, but when she wakes up to go to the restroom, she doesn't fall
asleep again.
When she does the hydrogen, she goes straight back to sleep.
So she loves it.
She doesn't want to go to bed without the hydrogen.
So again, for whatever reason, it has a good impact on sleep.
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recovery too.
Yeah.
Have you used it for sleep yourself?
Yes, I use it an hour per day too, but I never am that person that says, my God, I feelthe significant difference.
And maybe because I do many different things just like you.
And I don't really say like, my God, I feel better in the long run or overall with all thethings I do.
Yeah.
I, I feel good for my age and I perform for my age.
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but it's usually when we put our patients on it, right?
Dr.
Gladden that are suffering, they feel an immediate.
difference when we put them on our tools and our strategies and our technologiesourselves, you know, we can have objective measurements, though we can also have our
objective measurements.
That's right.
Yeah.
When you get when you get yourself pretty well optimized, then you're pretty welloptimized.
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Right.
And when you add more things to it, it doesn't really improve on optimization.
Again, this economy of balance.
Maybe we're preventing continue to prevent.
Yeah.
100 percent.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, I think it's good to live in that.
in that bubble of optimization.
think that's the goal.
And I think the goal too is to, is to layer in the hormetic stresses, right?
These stresses that make us stronger, but don't break us, to kind of challenge the systemto get stronger, whether it's fasting, running, swimming, you know, being outside,
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whatever it is, you know, doing all that.
And I think when you're going to push on that piece, you know, using the hydrogen to helpyou recover.
doesn't really break down the signaling molecules that are allowing you to get stronger.
It's just protecting you from the unnecessary damage that you'd be getting by hiking forfour hours, right?
Yeah, exactly.
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No, correct.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Awesome.
So what's your inhalation device that you have at home?
I'm sure you've researched these.
Yeah, I have a few.
Well, you know, again, it depends.
The Ferrari of machines out there today to me is still the Ulight one.
You probably know Ulight USA.
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They have different devices, but their hydrogen device is really the most sturdy one rightnow.
It's a commercial device.
Unless you have plenty of money, I think they run about $14,000.
My device is $5,000.
That's what I could afford.
Some of my clients can't afford that.
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So again, is it tablets?
Do you get a $200 dollar baller?
Do you do a monthly prescription on tablets?
Do you get an inhalation device?
I guess the cheapest one out there that are decent, and I can explain that too, are about$3,900 for home use.
So that's doable because most of companies have payment plans.
But you don't want to get too cheap because a lot of these devices that are coming fromChina and other countries that are cheap, maybe $900, it's very important what the device
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is made of, the material.
And it needs to be white gold, platinum, or titanium.
And so when I discussed it in my book too, but when you're a consumer, you want to reallylook at the runtime.
The runtime is how long can you keep it running without a break?
And if the runtime is very low, one, two hours, what it means is that the material ischeap because it would start oxidizing and releasing all kinds of bad gases that you then
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inhale with your hydrogen gas.
that's no good.
You're going to do more harm than good.
So you really want something that runs five, six, seven, eight hours or longer.
And that would indicate that it's made out of platinum, titanium, white gold, those typesof things.
And so the only one available in the US might be the ULITE USA one.
But again, there's a price to that, right?
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So when I have clients, I kind of see what are their needs?
Do they have cancer?
Are they just an athlete?
What is their budget?
And what can we do the best for that person when it comes to these devices?
Yeah.
What's the company that makes the $3,900 one?
I'm sure the audience would like to know that.
Yes.
Hydroheal.
Go to hydroheal.com.
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Okay.
And what's the $5,000 one that you have?
Same.
Hydroheal.com has an HW, an HH 300, flow rate of 300, and I got the 600.
So it produces twice the amount basically in the same time.
If you want to save money, you just do the treatment twice as long.
Got it.
Time or money, right?
it's time or money always, right?
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That's it.
Okay.
Cool.
Well, that's really exciting.
So are there other things you'd like to share with the audience about hydrogen or wherethey can find your book?
think we basically covered everything.
Also, maybe your listeners, anybody that has digestive problems, GI problems, leaky gut,irritable bowel, anything with our food intolerances, hydrogen is one of those things that
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works well.
And in this case, I probably would promote the water or your tablets.
Dr.
Glenn because it comes in direct contact with the gut if you drink it first inhaling itright so like you mentioned earlier neurodegenerative inhaling makes sense but when it
comes to the gut maybe drinking makes more sense because what what we all know let's sayCrohn's disease you go to the doctor they put you on a diet and it kind of doesn't work
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anyways right because nothing really happens
But it is because the gut needs a certain electrical potential in order for the goodbacteria, the anaerobic bacteria, to colonize.
And so when there's no response, that means it's the environment that's not suitable forcolonization of the good bacteria.
So what hydrogen seems to do in two or three weeks already is to get that microvoltageback up to where it's supposed to be, minus 300, minus 400 millivolts.
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now the diet and the pro and prebiotics, now they can work because these good bacteria cancolonize.
So for people in that whole GI condition arena, which is many of us, they certainly couldalso benefit from hydrogen water.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
We use that as well in our gut protocols for that reason.
Now, good stuff.
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Well, Mike, it's been a pleasure chatting with you again.
Always.
Yeah, always.
Good to catch up.
I'm sure we'll bump into each other at one of these meetings.
So always good.
All right.
Well, good.
So people can get your book where?
Amazon or my website.
So it's called Molecular Alchemy.
You can get it on Amazon or my website.
Biohackingunlimited.com is all my books, all my information.
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It has a research page on molecular hydrogen.
We talked about your tablets are on there.
Dr.
Bladden has the recommended tablets and all the other units we talked about.
There's the links there.
You can do a little bit of research.
You also can also obviously reach out to Dr.
Gladden or myself to get a free consult to see what's best for you based on your conditionand your budget.
And we can kind of guide you to see what you need.
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And I have tablets, I have a little bottle when I travel and I have my inhalation machineat home.
So, you know, you can combine them, of course, also.
Yeah, exactly.
Good stuff.
All right.
Well, enjoy the rest of your day, Well, you're best.
Thanks for your time and see you soon.
See you soon.
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