January 2, 2025 • 55 mins
Revisit this gem from 2024 to start out the new year with us! In this episode, Dr. Gladden spoke with Jeff Lioon. Jeff was born into the health industry with family ties to Douglas Laboratories, and initially pursued a corporate career. After finding himself unfulfilled, he embarked on a transformative journey, including working with Ayahuasca in the Amazon. Dissatisfied with the corporate world's impact on his well-being, he left his job, explored carnivore diets, and mastered animal processing in Hawaii. Realizing his true calling in health, he returned to Austin to join his father in promoting Oligoscan technology for understanding mineral deficiency root causes. Jeff's journey reflects a shift from corporate life to holistic health pursuit. In this episode, Jeff and Dr. Gladden promote sweating for detox, avoiding processed foods, and recognizing the spiritual dimension in overall health. Tune in as they expand on detoxification pathways, the benefits of sauna usage, the importance of a nutrient-rich diet, and so much more.
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Takeaways
- Everything boils down to relationships.
- Quantum thinking allows for multiple solutions.
- Detoxing the body can lead to clarity.
- Urban environments can be toxic to health.
- Courage is essential for living your best life.
- Bio magnetism can promote healing.
- The carnivore diet can improve mental clarity.
- Oligo scan measures intracellular health.
- Mercury from amalgam fillings is a significant health risk.
- Detoxification must be approached carefully. Sauna is crucial for detoxification, especially for aluminum.
- Aluminum exposure is linked to dementia and other health issues.
- Antimony from plastics can disrupt hormones and weight loss.
- Reducing plastic use is essential for lowering antimony levels.
- Sweating is a key method for excreting toxins from the body.
- Innovative health tests provide instant feedback on mineral and metal levels.
- Animal-based nutrition, particularly organ meats, is nutrient-dense.
- Magnesium deficiency is common due to modern lifestyle factors.
- Balance in diet is crucial; avoid excessive intake of any one nutrient.
- Listening to your body is essential for health and wellness.
Dr. Gladden says the conversation with Jeff was a fascinating one. (00:55)
In quantum thinking, all things are possible. (3:26)
Dr. Gladden asked Jeff to share how he got into the health space. (5:22)
Jeff shares that he wanted to see how the world works. (7:18)
Dr. Gladden reveals how he went to Case Western, among other options. (9:45)
Steve asks Jeff what biomagnetism is all about. (11:44)
Dr Gladden asked Jeff to talk about oligoscan. (14:30)
When people go on crash diets, they get toxic and feel pretty terrible because they are releasing toxins into the bloodstream. (16:57)
Jeff recollects the first time he scanned himself using a technology his dad brought home. (19:10)
Dr. Gladden mentions using oligoscan at a Radfest meeting earlier. (22:17)
Jeff gives an example of a patient with high antimony due to drinking from plastic regularly. (24:30)
Jeff believes the sauna is great and one of the excellent healing
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Episode Transcript
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(00:01):
Welcome, everybody, to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Jeffrey Gladden, and I'm joined today by my co-host and friend, Steve Reiter.
Steve, how's it going?
It's going good.
How was your weekend, my man?
It was an amazing weekend, actually.
Yeah, I did some deep meditation on Saturday afternoon.
(00:23):
Yeah, well, I had some really great insights into life itself.
It was very, very cool.
So, the insight was that, you know, everything actually boils down to relationships.
It's all about relationships.
So, you go into, I've been vetting people to collaborate with,
(00:45):
and things are put in front of me on a pretty regular basis.
And there's a couple of things that I've come to understand that are super helpful.
And one is, number one, the project is actually not- The win of the project is not aboutthe success of the project or the financial rewards of the project.
It's really about the relationships that come out of the project, right?
(01:07):
Which is like a cool...
I don't think that switch had ever fully clicked over, right?
So, that was really cool.
And the other thing is that I've really become enamored with this concept of quantumthinking.
I think too much thought is binary, right?
People are focused on actually getting the right answer.
And I think it leads to all kinds of strife, right?
(01:29):
Geopolitical, religious, cultural, whatever.
And in quantum thinking, like in quantum computing, all things are possiblesimultaneously.
And the solution emerges in the context in which the question is being asked, right?
And so, with binary thinking, you get answers and with quantum thinking, you getsolutions, right?
(01:53):
Yeah.
And I think that we...
And solutions have a shelf life, right?
But people get married to their answers.
And so, if you understand this...
So, when I'm vetting these things, I'm looking at them from the standpoint of,
'Who are these people?' 'Are they inspiring?' 'Are they quantum thinkers?' 'Will wedevelop a great relationship in the course of doing this project and through the ups and
(02:22):
downs of whatever that is?' 'And will we end up as really like great friends at the end ofit?' And that's become my way of vetting kind of who to work with because a project can be
great.
Like, it can be a fabulous project.
But if you're with the wrong people, it's a terrible project.
So, yeah.
(02:43):
So, anyway, interesting stuff, but yeah, that was my Saturday.
Um, so how about your Saturday?
I think you were cross country skiing.
Yeah, cross country skiing up in the mountains.
I got a ton of snow up there over the last week and a half.
And so, was up there just enjoying it.
And I'm heading back this weekend.
Gonna spend, I'm gonna probably spend two nights up there instead of just one and getthree days of cross country skiing.
(03:08):
And since my Packers got knocked out of the playoffs, that kind of dates this episode, butI've got the whole weekend free.
I don't care about any other teams, although I do want Detroit to win it all.
at...
Well, that's what I...
Yeah.
I'm rooting for Detroit, too.
I was born in Michigan.
I don't think they're going to do it, but I'm rooting for them.
But actually, you know, the fact that you've dismissed the entire game structure is kindof binary thinking.
(03:32):
I'll just say that.
So, on that note, we don't care what team you're rooting for.
We'd like to welcome our guest to the show, Jeff Lioon.
And Jeff, welcome to the show.
Thank you, thanks for having me, I'm excited for this.
Yeah, good.
(03:52):
Should be fun.
So, Jeff, tell us a little bit about how you got into the health space.
Tell us a little bit about your journey.
It's an interesting journey.
I'd like for the audience to be able to resonate with who you are as a person in your ownjourney and quest and that sort of thing.
So, maybe start us off a little bit with your journey, if you don't mind.
(04:12):
Yeah, so my grandfather, father, and godfather, they started Douglas Labs back in the 70s.
So, I've always been intrigued and fascinated with the health sector.
And, that being said, I-
Tell people what Douglas Labs did.
Yeah, so they manufactured nutritional supplements and they primarily sold to healthcareproviders.
(04:35):
Yep, and now that- It's interesting because now that model has shifted and a lot of peoplewant to buy their supplements just on Amazon.
So, at the time they were one of the first ones to really sell to practitioners only.
And that's obviously shifted over the past several years but that's what they did.
Yeah, they made nutritional supplements.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
So I was always fascinated with health.
(04:56):
That being said, I really wanted to go into the real world and get my own life experience.
So, I graduated with a finance degree, entrepreneurship minor, and I moved to New YorkCity and I had an amazing opportunity to move international freight across the world.
So, I was doing that for about three and a half years and I loved it.
It was very successful.
I really enjoyed my job, but I felt like I wasn't really living my true purpose.
(05:22):
Mm.
I was quite a bit burned out.
So, in January 2020,
Tell me about the true purpose.
What was the rub there for you?
Because I've -
well, I felt like I was a cog in the machine.
I didn't feel like I was doing solely transactional deals.
I was helping people move freight, which is obviously very important for the globaleconomy, but I didn't feel like I was living to, I mean, I've always been passionate about
(05:50):
health.
I mean, I got into bodybuilding when I was in high school and I've always loved health.
I've always been aware of my habits, my tendencies, my environment.
So, I really felt that I've always wanted to be in the health space.
Mm-hmm.
But again, I wanted to get that outside.
I wanted to see how the world worked.
I wanted to get some outside experience.
I didn't want to just jump right into the family business.
So, sorry.
(06:14):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, so I kind of had a calling to take a break.
So, I went down to Peru and went on a spirit- I went to this place called Spirit Quest inIquitos, Peru and I did Ayahuasca for 10 days.
And this was actually just when the COVID pandemic was getting underway,
Hmm.
and had an amazing experience.
You know, was living in the jungle for 10 days.
(06:37):
And I got back and I lasted about a month, and I was like...
I knew that I needed to make a major shift in my life.
you this, let me ask you this about your time in the jungle and the use of ayahuasca.
Um, what, um, what was your experience with that?
How did that, I mean, that can be very powerful from what I understand.
(06:58):
I have yet to experience it, but I understand it can be, uh, very powerful.
It's, it's basically DMT, uh, combined with another plant molecule that sustains theaction of DMT because DMT is fairly short-lived.
Um...
And DMT is considered the God molecule or the gateway to the spiritual world or theuniverse or whatever else.
(07:21):
So, I'm really curious.
You went down there, obviously, with some questions in mind.
And of course, with DMT or any of those things, that's not necessarily the questions youbring, but it has its own agenda for you.
So, I'm just curious what came out of that.
Yeah, well, my major intention going down was really to detox my physical body.
I picked up some bad habits living in New York City and being in the sales room, and Ireally wanted to detox my physical body.
(07:48):
That was my major intention.
But I also gained a lot of clarity into, you know, 'What is life?' Like, 'Why am I here?'Like, 'Am I actually doing something that's fulfilling to my soul?' And when I got back
and
I went from living in the jungle back to living in my apartment in New York City and beingsurrounded by skyscrapers and concrete and, generally, some pretty toxic people.
(08:12):
I realized that wasn't an environment that was conducive for me to actually be living mytrue purpose.
But I think, furthermore, it really shined light on what I was doing day to day and Iwasn't in the arena that I wanted to be in, which was health.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's, you know, urban environments are toxic, quite honestly.
(08:36):
I mean, I've been to New York many times.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia, so I know the East Coast and been in New York manytimes.
I almost did my internship and residency at Mount Sinai there in New York.
They offered me a position, but I ended up going to Case Western in Cleveland to do that.
But I think in part because I was a little bit intimidated by the city itself.
(09:00):
Just that crush of humanity, right?
It's just like, 'Wow, it's relentless.' It's unrelenting.
So, yeah, so you had been to the jungle.
So, you had a completely, I mean, that's like going from one extreme to the other.
And now you're back in New York.
So, what did you decide to do about that?
Yeah, so I basically worked for another couple of weeks and at the time our company, I wasthe 385th employee.
(09:27):
I got in relatively early and by the time I left, they were at about 1800 employees.
So, I saw the company transform quite a bit and they brought in some upper levelmanagement.
And, you know, I was- The year before, I basically built a book of business from scratch,as an account executive.
And I was the number two sales guy in the New York office.
(09:47):
Mm-hmm.
They brought in some upper level management and I just, I'm the type of person that Ican't be micromanaged.
I need to do things the way I want to do them.
So, for me, it was just kind of like this perfect storm of events and that was when Ineeded, I knew that I needed to take a leap of faith.
And it was scary.
I mean, I didn't know what I was going to do.
I didn't have anything else lined up, but I knew that I needed to take that leap of faithand that it would be positive in the long run.
(10:10):
Nice.
Yeah, that's courage.
I think, I think life is really built on leading your living.
Your best life is really built on courage.
It's really built on courage when you can look into the unknown and say, 'No, I'm going togo', you know.
A lot of people back away from that for the concept of safety, right?
The concept of security.
And yet, there is really no security and that's more secure to actually follow your heartthan it is to do anything else, so...
(10:36):
But it takes courage.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I thought so.
And I was grateful too.
Right when I quit my job, actually, I signed up for this bio-magnetism course in NewJersey, just across the bridge.
And I did that the following week.
And this is, granted, like right when COVID was like really going into lockdown.
So, I did that course and yeah.
(10:56):
What is bio-magnetism?
So, it's basically placing magnets on different parts of the body over different organs.
And the theory is that we have different viruses and bacteria and fungi that caninfiltrate certain organs in the body.
So, these placing of the magnets can basically help promote an environment where thebacteria, the viruses can't live.
(11:20):
It was very interesting.
The- Dr.
García is the guy that does these presentations and I learned a lot.
It was just a great-
I came out of that conference saying to myself, like, 'This is the space that I wanna bein.' Whether it's this or something different, I wanna be talking about these big matter
issues and healing the body.
(11:41):
Yeah.
So, yeah, so then I went back to Pittsburgh with my family and that was, granted, rightwhen COVID, the lockdown was in.
So, I spent the next year really soul-searching and kind of figuring out what I wanted todo.
It's funny because everything really changed when I picked up this book called TheCarnivore Code.
(12:02):
I was in San Diego and I read this book and it's almost like the light bulb just went offfor me, personally.
I remember coming back from that bio-magnetism course, telling my parents like, 'I'm notgonna eat any meat because of everything that I learned in this course, how meat can have
all these different viruses or bacteria.' And it's funny because I read that book and thelight bulb went off.
(12:23):
So, the first thing I did was I did it, I wanted to prove it on myself.
So, I did the
carnivore diet for 35 days.
And, at the time, I had the OligoScan and I was comparing my before and after.
And the biggest thing that I noticed was my brain fog completely went away.
But at that moment, and my minerals also really, really rebounded, but my biggest takeawaywas that I really wanted to get closer to where my food came from.
(12:48):
So, that led me down this journey of, basically, getting into sourcing, you know, goodquality regenerative products,
working at different ranches.
And then once I did that, I really wanted to take another step forward and I really wantedto get into hunting and actually be providing this for myself.
So, I ended up moving to the big island of Hawaii to work on this ranch, this 800-acreranch, six miles up on the coast of Kona.
(13:15):
And I was hunting wild rams for this landowner.
So, it was like a dream job at the time.
Well, it's interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I got into hunting and I was living in Hawaii.
And then, I realized after about six weeks that, 'This is a great life, but I'm not,again, I'm not really living my true purpose and I'm not really helping as many people as
(13:35):
I needed to be.' So, at that moment, I decided to move back to Texas and join my father atOligoScan full-time.
Okay, so we've mentioned this word OligoScan a couple of times now.
Um, why don't you tell us a little bit about what OligoScan is.
Yeah.
So, the Oligo scan is basically using spectrophotometry to measure intracellular levels ofheavy metals, minerals, and vitamins in the tissue of the hand.
(14:02):
So, spectrophotometry is basically shining the full visible light spectrum from 200 to 800nanometers and we're applying this to the skin.
So, we're measuring, basically, the bioavailability of the elements in the tissue of theskin.
We use the hand because- for two reasons (14:15):
one, it's a major excretion point in the body.
The four excretion points are the scalp, the underarm, the hand, and the foot.
But it's also the place where the pigment is the same across all races and ethnicities, soit's standardized.
So, if we compare the OligoScan to a blood test, for example, a blood test is measuringwhat's in circulation.
It's the transportation system.
(14:37):
The body always wants to remain at homeostasis.
So, as metals come into the bloodstream, the body is going to do everything in its powerto push the metals from the blood to the peripheral tissue, the fat, the organs.
If we look at a hair test, a hair test is measuring the past three months of excretion.
The thing with a hair test is, the hair isn't a major excretion pathway.
(14:58):
We can pick up trace amounts of anything in the hair, but if somebody's holding ontometals, we're not gonna know that via testing the hair.
And then, there's the urine, which is, you know, measuring either the excretion capabilitywhen provoked or unprovoked of metals via the urine.
It's been the gold standard for a while.
So, all these different tests are really looking at different things.
(15:19):
Hair, blood, and urine are really looking at the extracellular matrix.
The OligoScan is looking at the intracellular matrix.
It's basically measuring three different things, the blood via the muscle and the smallcapillaries, the cells, and then the interstitial space, which is the beginning of the
lymphatic network.
The light-
does it actually report on those three compartments?
(15:39):
Or does it merge them all together into a single report?
Yeah, it merges them all together.
It's just, I say that because just thinking about where the light's actually going andpenetrating, it has to penetrate at least one cell membrane, otherwise we wouldn't be able
to get a reading.
So, the interesting thing too is that even though we're testing the hand tissue, I canstill tell if somebody's had a mercury amalgam filling in their mouth by scanning the
(16:05):
hand.
And that tells me that the cells are communicating with one another and that
it's showing the intracellular levels of what's actually getting into the cell.
Well, toxins are distributed throughout the body, to your point.
And, uh, fat is a, is a large reservoir for toxins, which is one of the reasons whenpeople go on crash diets, um, they can get pretty toxic, they can start to feel pretty
(16:28):
terrible because they're basically releasing, if you will, all these toxins back into thebloodstream, which is then affecting, you know, circulation to other organs and other
organs are picking it up and now they're, you know, screaming uncle, so to speak.
Uh, so...
Yeah, so it is interesting.
We don't have a single test that actually captures all the elements, right?
(16:53):
Because the kidneys are important for detox, the liver's important for detox, the stool isa major elimination pathway, of course.
Then you've got hair, you've got saliva, you've got what you're doing with skin.
So, I was just curious about the three compartments because I think, and there is some fatin the hand.
I don't know if you actually
(17:15):
scan over the fat pads in the hand.
There's a couple of fat pads, right?
The Thane or Eminence is kind of a fat pad and then all across the lateral below thepinky, there's fat there too, right?
So, if that adds anything to the accuracy of the test or if you play with that in terms oflocation on the hand.
Well, we try to avoid any major calluses on the hand, but it's funny, I was at aconference, it was at A4M last year, and this person asked me why we measured the four
(17:43):
points on the hand, and I told them, 'Well, I didn't invent this technology, so I don'tknow the true answer'.
But they told me they were like, 'Well, whoever invented it knew what he was doing becausethose four points are acupuncture points, but they're also the highest density of where
the small capillaries meet the veins.' So, he was like, 'They did a pretty good job.' So,yeah, that's...
That's the little antidote that I have on that, but...
(18:06):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, I can tell you that circulation is individual too, just like a fingerprint, right?
So, it's people's venous structures, it's a little different for every individual, butit's still an interesting concept.
So, you're using this and, basically, it's almost like poor man's gas chromatography toactually look into the tissue, right, and see
(18:35):
what's in there from the standpoint of these minerals and toxins and things.
So, yeah.
Yeah, so when my dad first brought this technology home, I was in college and I scannedmyself and I was very skeptical.
I was like,- Because my results were terrible.
I mean, I was mineral deficient and I had a lot of cadmium in my system, and aluminum.
And I was like, 'Dad, I don't really believe in this.' And, at the time, it was- for me,it was a wake-up call because I was living a college lifestyle.
(19:02):
I was drinking four nights a week, my phosphorus was super low...
You see that a lot of times with people that drink.
Yeah.
was very bad just due to being in college.
And that was, you know, at first I was like, 'I don't believe this'.
But I kept testing myself and, over the years, I started to see my test really improve.
And, you know, I've tested over a thousand people with this device over the past eightyears.
(19:25):
And it's really fascinating how some of these correlations, for example, gandolinium...
Gandolinium is a rare earth element.
We really aren't exposed to gandolinium at all.
But when I- So, most people were very low.
But when I see people that are high, I'll ask them, have you had an MRI with the contrastinjection in the past couple years?
(19:45):
Nine out of 10 times, it's yes.
sure.
Yeah, gandolinium is in there.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, so it's the amalgam fillings.
You know, there's all- I put together a deck of the top trends that I see and that I'veseen over the past eight years.
And another big one is iodine deficiency.
And we look at, well, why are we iodine deficient?
Well, we're not getting as much iodine in our diet, but I think it's really because of thehalogens, the bromide, the chlorine, and the fluoride that we're all- been really exposed
(20:12):
to.
You know, in the 70s, they started, you know, brominating the flour.
So,
we're just getting exposed to a lot more halogens, which in turn is affecting the iodine.
And iodine is one of the most important minerals, especially for pregnant women.
They did a study that the IQ of a newborn baby can be impacted by 15 to 30 IQ points foriodine deficiency.
(20:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and even if you're not terribly deficient, if you're completely replete in iodine,it can actually improve a baby's IQ by about 10 points.
So, it's pretty dramatic.
Iodine is a big deal.
And it's a big deal for every cell in the body.
It's a big deal for thyroid production, of course.
(20:55):
So yeah, super important.
Yeah, I had a chance to use your scan at a conference where we met...
The RAADFest, actually, back in September.
And it's taken us this long, I guess, to get together.
Yeah, so what are some of the other major patterns that you've seen?
Yeah, so the big one is mercury amalgam fillings, and it's usually in people over the ageof 40.
(21:21):
It's a real issue.
The million dollar question is, how do we get rid of the mercury?
You know, you can look into chelation, you can look into this common thing called OSR, butit's not legal in the US.
Zeolite has been helping, but this mercury is very insidious.
And the problem is it really gets deep into the tissue.
And I see, you know,
(21:42):
people that have had amalgam fillings, it's just off-the-chart high.
And it really affects the- Mercury really will affect vitamin D, phosphorus, selenium, andiodine, and also zinc.
So yeah, it's been interesting.
The thing is too, it's like, if somebody's got really high mercury, you don't wanna dumpall that mercury at once because the body is keeping it there for a reason.
(22:07):
If that person was to dump all the mercury at once, the person's gonna go through severe
detox reactions.
That's the problem with chelation.
You're pulling out all that toxin all at once.
And so, the kidneys are exposed to that on the way out, right?
And so, it can be a real heavy load on the kidneys to try to deal with that.
We've had really good success with saunas, quite honestly, and then using oral, metal-freekind of detox to help pull it out through the stool,
(22:36):
and out through the skin because that's- that seems to be the least toxic to the bodyright?
And we've seen dramatic drops in mercury levels for people like- Well, the other group isthe people that not only with the fillings, but people that eat a lot of fish, you know,
and we think fish is a healthy food.
And then, the next thing you know...
'Oh, I'm eating sushi all the time.' What are you eating?
'Well, you know, this, that and that.' And that's like, well, let's check your mercurybecause we see it super high many, many times.
(23:01):
So, interesting.
Yeah.
and sauna is so important, and it's a major excretion pathway, and it's just superimportant, especially for aluminum toxicity.
That's another one that I see a lot, is aluminum toxicity.
I see that a lot.
Any-
have aluminum and it's been linked to dementia, as you know.
(23:23):
So yeah, it's pretty interesting.
So yeah, you don't wanna be using these, keep-your-armpit-dry type deodorants.
So...
Yeah, and it's not only diurents are definitely the big one.
Another one is anti-acids, like the pepsidase C.
I didn't realize this, but in college, I had this alcohol flush syndrome.
(23:43):
My face would get red when I drank.
And as a college kid that was just immature, I would take these pepsidase C's before Idrank.
Little did I know that they were loaded with aluminum.
So, you really gotta be careful with over-the-counter medications, yeah.
Pots and pans.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Yeah, I've come a long way since then.
(24:06):
So yeah, aluminum toxicity is another one I see and that pairs with silica deficiency.
Silica and aluminum has antagonist synergist relationship, iodine deficiency...
Then there's the antimony, which is found in plastics.
I tested this woman about two months ago down in Florida and she was overweight, havingreally trouble losing the weight.
(24:29):
She said,
'It just won't come off.
I know my hormones are messed up...' And I tested her, and her antimony was really high.
And it's interesting because antimony is found in plastics.
And I asked her, I said, 'What kind of water do you drink?' And she said, 'Oh, I drinkbottled water.
I've been drinking bottled water for the past 10 years.' She lives in Florida.
The heat, the sunlight is leaching the plastic into the water.
(24:50):
Sure enough, she has high antimony.
She can't lose weight.
Her hormones are disrupted.
You know, it's about connecting the dots.
Do you have a strategy for getting antimony out of the system?
Is it, if somebody stops drinking from plastic containers, will it go out?
Or do you need to use a sauna there?
Yeah, I have this three-prong approach and it's basically, one, it's reducing the inputs,where it's coming in.
(25:15):
So, in our case, it'd be reducing the plastic use.
Two, maximize the outputs, so sweating, breaking a sweat.
And then three, providing the building blocks, so making sure that she's getting enoughminerals in her diet.
I also believe that plastics or xenoestrogens, a lot of the estrogens will be stored inthe liver.
(25:35):
And most people that are
experiencing some kind of illness, you got to look to the liver and the kidneys.
Usually, the liver is blocked.
So, from my research, I think potentially coffee enemas could be a good way to help theliver health.
But yeah, absolutely, sauna is one of the best ways.
Yeah, yeah, we love saunas.
(25:55):
A lot of great data on sauna, as the audience knows from longevity perspective too.
Yeah.
Gladden and Jeff, this is a question for you.
How often do you recommend clients/patients to sauna?
Generally.
yeah, I mean, the data from Scandinavia was four days a week at- for 20 minutes, actually19 minutes, at I think 175 to 180 degrees was where they got massive changes.
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Right?
So, they followed guys for 20 years and had a 55% reduction in Alzheimer's dementia, 50%reduction in cardiac events and strokes.
And then, a 40% reduction in all-cause mortality and cancer, I believe.
So,
yeah, it's a dramatic kind of thing.
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And you can increase heat shock proteins with exercise also, you know, particularly ifyou're out there sweating, doing things like that.
And I'll just interject this about cardio in general, is that we're now measuring theclotho gene
for our clients, and we can measure clotho levels.
And it turns out when you have higher clotho levels, you live longer, your kidneys arehealthier, blood vessels are healthier, your brain is healthier, and having high clotho.
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So, when you're lifting weights, you're actually lowering clotho.
When you go for a run, you actually raise clotho.
So, your cross-country skiing is raising your clotho.
And resistance training is important.
You can't get away from it, but it should never be the only thing that anybody does,right?
So yeah, anyway, it's interesting.
Yeah, I agree to that.
I mean, I usually tell people, you know, a couple times a week is great.
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Yeah, a couple times a week.
I do remember Dr.
Klinghardt from one of his YouTube videos that he mentioned that 95% of the metals arereleased in the first five minutes.
I don't know how accurate that statement was, but it just always has kind of stuck withme.
So, yeah.
So I just try to always wipe down, you know, when I'm in there.
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But I mean, sauna is just, it's great.
I think it's one of the
better healing modalities and detox modalities for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, we would agree with that.
And really, people always ask me, 'Well, should it be a Swedish sauna or an infraredsauna?' Quite honestly, it doesn't matter.
I mean, the data is out of Sweden was in, you know, the hot sauna, so to speak, butthere's data out of Japan that's very good for infrared saunas and cardiovascular disease
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and peripheral vascular disease.
I think the idea is just raise your body temperature, quite honestly.
the body temperature and break a sweat.
Yeah, I actually do a sweat lodge every Wednesday with a group down in Buda, but it'sjust, you know.
No, no, this is actually here in Texas, but it's just you leave that sweat lodge, and Imean, it's very spiritual as well, but I mean, you can just feel your body.
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You feel lighter, you feel great.
Yeah.
awesome.
So...
So, this scan, is this something people can use in their homes or what's the story withthis?
This more something you go to a physician's office to use or you keep in the trunk of yourcar.
What, what's it-?
Yeah, well, technically you could, but yeah, we sell primarily to healthcare providers andclinics just because once you get the test, it's about interpreting the test and
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understanding what you're looking at.
So yeah, right now we're primarily selling to healthcare providers and clinics of thatnature.
But the test is fairly straightforward and is very simple.
The only metric you need to know is your blood type, height and weight.
Yeah.
Well, how many people know their blood type, though?
Not very many.
I ask a lot of people this and they, and they don't know.
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So...
yeah, not many people do.
I mean, it's like 50-50.
When I do shows, I usually buy the little Eldon card kits.
They're like 10 bucks on Amazon, and you can just prick your finger and determine yourblood type.
But I always stock up on those before shows because you'd be surprised, a lot of peopledon't know their blood type.
But it has to do with the protein, the antigens, and the protein, and each of thedifferent blood types has a different atomic emission spectra, similar to the elements.
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So, it really does make a difference.
You don't wanna do the test if you don't know your blood type.
That's really interesting.
Okay.
That's, that's really interesting.
Um, yeah, we've been looking at bringing it into the practice.
I kind of wanted to have this conversation with you before we did.
Uh, but yeah, good stuff.
So, what's the, um, what's the trajectory for the company at this point in time in thetechnology?
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Do you have other things that you're planning or what's going on?
yeah.
So, the- the original developer is in France and he basically makes the calls on whatelements we add to the test.
Um, that's beyond my jurisdiction, but, um, yeah, we've been, we added tin to the test,uh, a couple of months ago, um, we've added different elements like fluoride over the past
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couple of years.
So, I believe we're just going to continue to, um, I believe the next thing we're going tobe adding is, is collagen.
Um, I, you know, I'm not a biochemist, so I'm not sure how they,
how they figure these different elements and molecules out to add.
But yeah, the goal would be to try to add as many as we can.
I personally- How many clinics?
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No, how many are you currently testing?
How many elements are you currently testing?
Yeah, 21 minerals, 15 heavy metals, and seven vitamins.
Yep, and the vitamins are really interesting.
You know, specifically the B9, when I test somebody and I see low B9 on the test, it canbe an indication that they have the MHTR genetic mutation.
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Yeah, exactly.
And what's even more interesting is the vitamin D.
And I had this conversation with Dr.
Mercola at the biohacking show this year.
It's...
When the vitamin D is low, we're not looking at blood vitamin D, we're looking atintracellular D.
When the D is low, you wanna look at the mercury because we know that mercury prevents thevitamin D receptors from absorbing it in the body.
So, the more mercury somebody has, the more the vitamin D can be affected.
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And really, that's the case with a lot of these different heavy metals and minerals.
I like to, personally, look at the heavy metals first and then look at the mineralsbecause that gives me an understanding of why they could be low in the first place.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
You mean look at the minerals first and then look at the vitamins, I think.
Right?
So, you.
Yeah.
No, that's cool.
Yeah, it's very cool.
No, I like this a lot.
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And it's the interesting thing is you get instant feedback.
It's like, you do the scan and the results are there, you know, within a minute orwhatever.
It's not like you have to send it off to a lab or someplace and wait.
That's a cool thing.
Yeah, yep, it's instant.
It takes like less than 10 seconds and the results are immediate.
So, it's, for me, it's really been about understanding the test report.
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I've spent the past couple of years and I've got some great mentors.
Dr.
John Gamble is one of them.
He's our naturopath in Australia.
He's been with the OligoScan since the beginning and he actually wrote a book calledMastering Chronic Disease, Toxicity, Deficiency and Infection.
And he talks about from his clinical experience, how these different heavy metals andminerals are
correlating with chronic disease and different infections.
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So, for me, it's really just been about trying to understand, you know, this test to thebest of my ability.
And, you know, I also am the guinea pig myself.
I mean, I've been testing myself every week for the past, you know, five years, probablytoo much.
You're not gonna see a lot of variants week to week, but I like to experiment withdifferent things and see what moves the needle.
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I can tell people what actually works.
Yeah.
So, what are some of the tricks that you've learned in all of your testing, at least foryourself?
Not that it's generally applicable necessarily, but be curious to see what you've learned.
Yeah, so the biggest ones are that, you know, when I test people, and this kind of leadsinto, you know, what I was talking about earlier about the animal-based, carnivore diet,
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the most nutrient-dense form, in my opinion, nature's multivitamin is beef liver.
And a lot of people, a lot of test reports, a lot of clinics ask me, you know, how do weincrease copper, zinc, selenium, the B vitamins?
And I'm just a true believer in animal-based nutrition.
People that don't eat a lot of animal-based meat or milk or eggs, I see them, generally,pretty deficient in their minerals.
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So, for me, and I've actually watched my own test report dramatically change.
I would have been in the MTHFR genetic mutation category back when I tested myself in NewYork City.
My B9 is now practically normal.
To me, it's been a testament of my diet.
But I tell people like, you know,
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it's just really about getting the basics down.
Environment, lifestyle, diet, exercise, breaking a sweat, reducing a lot of the badthings, like the seed oils, the electromagnetic radiation.
Dr.
Mercola talks about that.
Right now, most people have a magnesium deficiency, and I really believe that it'sprobably correlated to our exposure to computers and Wi-Fi and tablets and phones.
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Mm.
It's also probably because our soil is depleted and we're not getting a lot of that fromour food.
So, I really take the approach of getting the basics down and trying to get as much ofthis stuff from our food as we can.
I do like some supplements.
I do have some staples because we live in a world where our food just isn't asnutrient-dense as it was.
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So, I really like MSM for sulfur.
That's been the one mineral that I've really watched closely.
My test has almost got to be perfect.
But the salt thing, it's been a journey, but the sulfur, shockingly, is low.
I eat a lot of animal-based, so it's interesting.
But the MSM is one of those supplements that really moves the needle.
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Iodine is a big one.
I like to take iodine.
You can overdo iodine.
You can actually crash your thyroid if you take too much iodine, just so the audienceunderstands.
So, it's not that you always remember biology is an economy of balance here, right?
It's not about how far can you push something.
But, but so many people are iodine depleted and they've gone to sea salt instead of, youknow, salt with iodine in it, et cetera.
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That getting some iodine in, you know, on a fairly regular basis, like I wouldn't do itevery day, personally.
I might take it twice a week.
Yeah.
But because you don't want to crash your thyroid.
That's a problem.
So, yeah.
Right.
Lynn Farrow talks about that in her book.
If somebody has a lot of mercury or heavy metal and they just dive right into 10milligrams of iodine, they can have a Herxheimer reaction.
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So, you definitely do want to be careful.
reaction.
So, this is a detox kind of reaction.
It's where your body is seeing something.
It can happen in a variety of technologies, right?
So, let's say you jump in the sauna for the first time or the ozone sauna for the firsttime.
And all of a sudden you're liberating toxins, you're ozonating things, and your body isdetoxing to the point where, you know, you've liberated these toxins into your system.
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Now you're sick from those toxins.
That's what a Hertzheimer reaction really is.
So, you've got to go slow,
to the point that Jeff's making, as you kind of build back towards health.
So, just keep that in mind, yeah.
yep, exactly.
I also really like cilantro, coriander, cumin.
I do it primarily animal-based, but I think it's all about balance.
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I think it's all about listening to your body and how you respond.
I think everybody's definitely different.
Yes, spirulina and chlorella can be very helpful in the detox process also.
Yeah.
And I guess the last thing I'll say is, particularly regarding aluminum, because that'sreally what my generation and really everybody needs to be focusing on right now.
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And the big thing with that is breaking a sweat.
My mentor, Michael Fezler, he has a skincare product line named Herbilex.
They do like non-synthetic ingredient, basically, vasodilator creams that help draw thealuminum using natural ingredients.
I believe a couple of them are seaweed and
curcumin, or I think it's coriander seed.
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But, basically, they help vasodilate the skin to allow the metals to basically come outvia the skin.
So, it would be great in a sauna.
But the aluminum is basically, it's basically getting trapped.
So, antiperspirant, for example, when people put the antiperspirant on, it's blocking thelymphatic system from draining that aluminum.
And we break the aluminum down into salts and then we sweat it out via the skin.
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So,
for people like, when I'll test people and I ask them, 'Your aluminum is high, do you havea hard time breaking a sweat?' Most of the time the answer is yes.
So, for them it's really identifying where the lymphatic system is blocked and basicallyencouraging the body to sweat more.
So, it's really about the basics.
I really like to have the fundamental basics in check in making sure that what you'reputting in your body is clean and nutritious.
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Yeah, perfect.
Well, it's interesting.
So, where can people learn more about this?
Theoligoscan.com, we have a website which has a lot of information online.
I have my own podcast.
spell it for people, OligoScan?
Yeah, so it's the OligoScan, so O-L-I-G-O-Scan, S-C-A-N.com.
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Yep, I also have my own podcast called The Intracellular Podcast where I go through a lotof these trends and I go through a lot of different ingredients that I believe work.
I just had Jeff Hoyt on, he has this zeolite clannaphthalite company, Zeolite Labs.
So, one of my big-
One of my big questions is, all right, we got high metals, what do we do now?
So, for me, it's been trying to identify natural sources that can help assist the body andget rid of the metals.
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The body's only gonna get rid of what it's willing to get rid of.
You can't put a gun to the body and say, get rid of all these metals.
It's a slow process, and you don't even wanna get rid of all the metals in one day.
So, it's working with the body to get rid of the metals.
And I had Jeff Hoyt on, the founder of Zeolite Labs, and he talks a lot about this,
the body's ability to detox on its own pace.
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That's right.
And zeolite is a binder, just so people understand.
It'll bind different substances, quite honestly.
So, yeah, I also, I'll say one more thing about saunas, which is that if you're going tostart doing saunas, you need to kind of ramp up to that, too.
Because we were talking about being in there 19, 20 minutes at 180 degrees or something.
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When you first step into a sauna, you may not be able to do that.
You may be in there five, six, seven minutes to say, 'I'm done, I'm out.' And you shouldlisten to that and step back out.
And it's,
it's kind of like, it's called sauna training.
You kind of- sauna conditioning.
You kind of train and condition yourself to be able to be in there 20 minutes, 25 minutesor whatever.
So, if you're listening to this, just realize that's a piece of the puzzle, too.
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So, yeah.
Yeah.
Steve, any questions you have?
No.
interested in trying the scan out and seeing what it shows for me.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I was thinking about orcas, how they eat shark livers.
I was thinking when you started talking about eating beef livers, it's like, 'Ok, well,maybe there's something to the- maybe we're all related to orcas here somehow.'
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Yeah, well, you know, it's like any wild animal, the first thing they'll eat are theorgans.
If you look at any wild animal, first thing they'll eat is nutrient density.
Yeah, and also the Native Americans, you know, they would use the whole animal, nose totail.
So, my whole thing over, you know, my evolution now has been to, you know, after huntingis to utilize the whole animal.
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And I really believe that, you know, most people go into the store and they say, you know,they want meat, right?
So they get a ribeye or they get ground beef, right?
But that's only one third of the equation.
The second and third part of the equation is the organ meats but also the bones to get theglycine and the collagen.
And I think that it's more than just eating meat.
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We gotta eat nose to tail.
We gotta start including all these different...
It is an interesting point that you make and there is value.
I'm not a vegetarian.
We do tend to eat a lot of plants and because the highest nutrient density on the planetis in plants, right?
There's no doubt about it by a factor of like 15 or 20.
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That being said, there is value to animal protein.
And I think, you know, part of the thing with,
with animals is that if you're hunting and you know that the animals got living in a cleanenvironment where you're getting a clean liver, that's one thing.
But the liver does concentrate toxins.
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And so, if you've got a cattle that have been raised in some, you know, pen fed, what, whoknows what, and shot with who knows what hormones and antibiotics and everything else, you
don't really know what that liver is all about.
You may not actually be wanting to eat that liver.
So...
Right?
want to eat a liver from a factory-farmed cow or a wagyu cow that's been eating chocolatebars and plastic.
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You don't want to eat that liver.
No.
That's right.
That's my point.
So, I think there's value in the nutrient density of meat.
I will say this though, that methionine is high.
The amino acid methionine is high in the carnivore diet and methionine has been associatedwith accelerated aging.
So just, you know, it's back to this economy of balance.
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It's not about, it's not about all I eat is steak, right?
Five days.
Don't take that as a message here.
And it's also, I don't think it's all about all I eat is kale and asparagus.
I think really you want a mixed diet, but you really want that colorful diet.
I think you really want lots of different plants.
The body loves variety and it loves nutrient density.
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So, that's- Yeah.
Good stuff.
That's right.
Jeff, when you talk about those other two thirds of the organ meats, as well as theconnective tissue, the glycine and the collagen, how do you recommend people to get that
nutrition?
Yeah, so you can buy bones and make your own bone broth.
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You can buy the bone marrow.
Those are two great easy ways.
Me, personally, every time I hunt a new animal, I try to utilize one new part of theanimal.
So, just a quick story.
I recently discovered that the hooves are an incredible source of gelatin.
And the last year that I shot and I took, I harvested and I basically skinned the hoovesand then I put them in a crock pot.
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What you do is you basically take off the actual hoof and in the inside there's just thislike little nugget of like gelatin.
It's actually pretty good.
It's yeah, it's gelatin exactly.
So, that's maybe a little bit more advanced but a great place to start is just the bones,just making your own bone broth.
Yeah, nice.
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Well, fascinating conversation.
Really appreciate you being with us on this podcast, Jeff.
Yeah, this was awesome.
Thanks for having me and just, it's an honor to be here and share my story and hopefullyit can help impact others' lives.
Yeah, beautiful.
Welcome, everybody, to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Jeffrey Gladden, and I'm joined today by my co-host and friend, Steve Reiter.
Steve, how's it going?
It's going good.
How was your weekend, my man?
It was an amazing weekend, actually.
Yeah, I did some deep meditation on Saturday afternoon.
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Yeah, well, I had some really great insights into life itself.
It was very, very cool.
So, the insight was that, you know, everything actually boils down to relationships.
It's all about relationships.
So, you go into, I've been vetting people to collaborate with,
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and things are put in front of me on a pretty regular basis.
And there's a couple of things that I've come to understand that are super helpful.
And one is, number one, the project is actually not- The win of the project is not aboutthe success of the project or the financial rewards of the project.
It's really about the relationships that come out of the project, right?
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Which is like a cool...
I don't think that switch had ever fully clicked over, right?
So, that was really cool.
And the other thing is that I've really become enamored with this concept of quantumthinking.
I think too much thought is binary, right?
People are focused on actually getting the right answer.
And I think it leads to all kinds of strife, right?
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Geopolitical, religious, cultural, whatever.
And in quantum thinking, like in quantum computing, all things are possiblesimultaneously.
And the solution emerges in the context in which the question is being asked, right?
And so, with binary thinking, you get answers and with quantum thinking, you getsolutions, right?
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Yeah.
And I think that we...
And solutions have a shelf life, right?
But people get married to their answers.
And so, if you understand this...
So, when I'm vetting these things, I'm looking at them from the standpoint of,
'Who are these people?' 'Are they inspiring?' 'Are they quantum thinkers?' 'Will wedevelop a great relationship in the course of doing this project and through the ups and
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downs of whatever that is?' 'And will we end up as really like great friends at the end ofit?' And that's become my way of vetting kind of who to work with because a project can be
great.
Like, it can be a fabulous project.
But if you're with the wrong people, it's a terrible project.
So, yeah.
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So, anyway, interesting stuff, but yeah, that was my Saturday.
Um, so how about your Saturday?
I think you were cross country skiing.
Yeah, cross country skiing up in the mountains.
I got a ton of snow up there over the last week and a half.
And so, was up there just enjoying it.
And I'm heading back this weekend.
Gonna spend, I'm gonna probably spend two nights up there instead of just one and getthree days of cross country skiing.
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And since my Packers got knocked out of the playoffs, that kind of dates this episode, butI've got the whole weekend free.
I don't care about any other teams, although I do want Detroit to win it all.
at...
Well, that's what I...
Yeah.
I'm rooting for Detroit, too.
I was born in Michigan.
I don't think they're going to do it, but I'm rooting for them.
But actually, you know, the fact that you've dismissed the entire game structure is kindof binary thinking.
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I'll just say that.
So, on that note, we don't care what team you're rooting for.
We'd like to welcome our guest to the show, Jeff Lioon.
And Jeff, welcome to the show.
Thank you, thanks for having me, I'm excited for this.
Yeah, good.
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Should be fun.
So, Jeff, tell us a little bit about how you got into the health space.
Tell us a little bit about your journey.
It's an interesting journey.
I'd like for the audience to be able to resonate with who you are as a person in your ownjourney and quest and that sort of thing.
So, maybe start us off a little bit with your journey, if you don't mind.
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Yeah, so my grandfather, father, and godfather, they started Douglas Labs back in the 70s.
So, I've always been intrigued and fascinated with the health sector.
And, that being said, I-
Tell people what Douglas Labs did.
Yeah, so they manufactured nutritional supplements and they primarily sold to healthcareproviders.
(04:35):
Yep, and now that- It's interesting because now that model has shifted and a lot of peoplewant to buy their supplements just on Amazon.
So, at the time they were one of the first ones to really sell to practitioners only.
And that's obviously shifted over the past several years but that's what they did.
Yeah, they made nutritional supplements.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
So I was always fascinated with health.
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That being said, I really wanted to go into the real world and get my own life experience.
So, I graduated with a finance degree, entrepreneurship minor, and I moved to New YorkCity and I had an amazing opportunity to move international freight across the world.
So, I was doing that for about three and a half years and I loved it.
It was very successful.
I really enjoyed my job, but I felt like I wasn't really living my true purpose.
(05:22):
Mm.
I was quite a bit burned out.
So, in January 2020,
Tell me about the true purpose.
What was the rub there for you?
Because I've -
well, I felt like I was a cog in the machine.
I didn't feel like I was doing solely transactional deals.
I was helping people move freight, which is obviously very important for the globaleconomy, but I didn't feel like I was living to, I mean, I've always been passionate about
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health.
I mean, I got into bodybuilding when I was in high school and I've always loved health.
I've always been aware of my habits, my tendencies, my environment.
So, I really felt that I've always wanted to be in the health space.
Mm-hmm.
But again, I wanted to get that outside.
I wanted to see how the world worked.
I wanted to get some outside experience.
I didn't want to just jump right into the family business.
So, sorry.
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Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, so I kind of had a calling to take a break.
So, I went down to Peru and went on a spirit- I went to this place called Spirit Quest inIquitos, Peru and I did Ayahuasca for 10 days.
And this was actually just when the COVID pandemic was getting underway,
Hmm.
and had an amazing experience.
You know, was living in the jungle for 10 days.
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And I got back and I lasted about a month, and I was like...
I knew that I needed to make a major shift in my life.
you this, let me ask you this about your time in the jungle and the use of ayahuasca.
Um, what, um, what was your experience with that?
How did that, I mean, that can be very powerful from what I understand.
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I have yet to experience it, but I understand it can be, uh, very powerful.
It's, it's basically DMT, uh, combined with another plant molecule that sustains theaction of DMT because DMT is fairly short-lived.
Um...
And DMT is considered the God molecule or the gateway to the spiritual world or theuniverse or whatever else.
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So, I'm really curious.
You went down there, obviously, with some questions in mind.
And of course, with DMT or any of those things, that's not necessarily the questions youbring, but it has its own agenda for you.
So, I'm just curious what came out of that.
Yeah, well, my major intention going down was really to detox my physical body.
I picked up some bad habits living in New York City and being in the sales room, and Ireally wanted to detox my physical body.
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That was my major intention.
But I also gained a lot of clarity into, you know, 'What is life?' Like, 'Why am I here?'Like, 'Am I actually doing something that's fulfilling to my soul?' And when I got back
and
I went from living in the jungle back to living in my apartment in New York City and beingsurrounded by skyscrapers and concrete and, generally, some pretty toxic people.
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I realized that wasn't an environment that was conducive for me to actually be living mytrue purpose.
But I think, furthermore, it really shined light on what I was doing day to day and Iwasn't in the arena that I wanted to be in, which was health.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's, you know, urban environments are toxic, quite honestly.
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I mean, I've been to New York many times.
I grew up outside of Philadelphia, so I know the East Coast and been in New York manytimes.
I almost did my internship and residency at Mount Sinai there in New York.
They offered me a position, but I ended up going to Case Western in Cleveland to do that.
But I think in part because I was a little bit intimidated by the city itself.
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Just that crush of humanity, right?
It's just like, 'Wow, it's relentless.' It's unrelenting.
So, yeah, so you had been to the jungle.
So, you had a completely, I mean, that's like going from one extreme to the other.
And now you're back in New York.
So, what did you decide to do about that?
Yeah, so I basically worked for another couple of weeks and at the time our company, I wasthe 385th employee.
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I got in relatively early and by the time I left, they were at about 1800 employees.
So, I saw the company transform quite a bit and they brought in some upper levelmanagement.
And, you know, I was- The year before, I basically built a book of business from scratch,as an account executive.
And I was the number two sales guy in the New York office.
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Mm-hmm.
They brought in some upper level management and I just, I'm the type of person that Ican't be micromanaged.
I need to do things the way I want to do them.
So, for me, it was just kind of like this perfect storm of events and that was when Ineeded, I knew that I needed to take a leap of faith.
And it was scary.
I mean, I didn't know what I was going to do.
I didn't have anything else lined up, but I knew that I needed to take that leap of faithand that it would be positive in the long run.
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Nice.
Yeah, that's courage.
I think, I think life is really built on leading your living.
Your best life is really built on courage.
It's really built on courage when you can look into the unknown and say, 'No, I'm going togo', you know.
A lot of people back away from that for the concept of safety, right?
The concept of security.
And yet, there is really no security and that's more secure to actually follow your heartthan it is to do anything else, so...
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But it takes courage.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I thought so.
And I was grateful too.
Right when I quit my job, actually, I signed up for this bio-magnetism course in NewJersey, just across the bridge.
And I did that the following week.
And this is, granted, like right when COVID was like really going into lockdown.
So, I did that course and yeah.
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What is bio-magnetism?
So, it's basically placing magnets on different parts of the body over different organs.
And the theory is that we have different viruses and bacteria and fungi that caninfiltrate certain organs in the body.
So, these placing of the magnets can basically help promote an environment where thebacteria, the viruses can't live.
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It was very interesting.
The- Dr.
García is the guy that does these presentations and I learned a lot.
It was just a great-
I came out of that conference saying to myself, like, 'This is the space that I wanna bein.' Whether it's this or something different, I wanna be talking about these big matter
issues and healing the body.
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Yeah.
So, yeah, so then I went back to Pittsburgh with my family and that was, granted, rightwhen COVID, the lockdown was in.
So, I spent the next year really soul-searching and kind of figuring out what I wanted todo.
It's funny because everything really changed when I picked up this book called TheCarnivore Code.
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I was in San Diego and I read this book and it's almost like the light bulb just went offfor me, personally.
I remember coming back from that bio-magnetism course, telling my parents like, 'I'm notgonna eat any meat because of everything that I learned in this course, how meat can have
all these different viruses or bacteria.' And it's funny because I read that book and thelight bulb went off.
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So, the first thing I did was I did it, I wanted to prove it on myself.
So, I did the
carnivore diet for 35 days.
And, at the time, I had the OligoScan and I was comparing my before and after.
And the biggest thing that I noticed was my brain fog completely went away.
But at that moment, and my minerals also really, really rebounded, but my biggest takeawaywas that I really wanted to get closer to where my food came from.
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So, that led me down this journey of, basically, getting into sourcing, you know, goodquality regenerative products,
working at different ranches.
And then once I did that, I really wanted to take another step forward and I really wantedto get into hunting and actually be providing this for myself.
So, I ended up moving to the big island of Hawaii to work on this ranch, this 800-acreranch, six miles up on the coast of Kona.
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And I was hunting wild rams for this landowner.
So, it was like a dream job at the time.
Well, it's interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I got into hunting and I was living in Hawaii.
And then, I realized after about six weeks that, 'This is a great life, but I'm not,again, I'm not really living my true purpose and I'm not really helping as many people as
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I needed to be.' So, at that moment, I decided to move back to Texas and join my father atOligoScan full-time.
Okay, so we've mentioned this word OligoScan a couple of times now.
Um, why don't you tell us a little bit about what OligoScan is.
Yeah.
So, the Oligo scan is basically using spectrophotometry to measure intracellular levels ofheavy metals, minerals, and vitamins in the tissue of the hand.
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So, spectrophotometry is basically shining the full visible light spectrum from 200 to 800nanometers and we're applying this to the skin.
So, we're measuring, basically, the bioavailability of the elements in the tissue of theskin.
We use the hand because- for two reasons (14:15):
one, it's a major excretion point in the body.
The four excretion points are the scalp, the underarm, the hand, and the foot.
But it's also the place where the pigment is the same across all races and ethnicities, soit's standardized.
So, if we compare the OligoScan to a blood test, for example, a blood test is measuringwhat's in circulation.
It's the transportation system.
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The body always wants to remain at homeostasis.
So, as metals come into the bloodstream, the body is going to do everything in its powerto push the metals from the blood to the peripheral tissue, the fat, the organs.
If we look at a hair test, a hair test is measuring the past three months of excretion.
The thing with a hair test is, the hair isn't a major excretion pathway.
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We can pick up trace amounts of anything in the hair, but if somebody's holding ontometals, we're not gonna know that via testing the hair.
And then, there's the urine, which is, you know, measuring either the excretion capabilitywhen provoked or unprovoked of metals via the urine.
It's been the gold standard for a while.
So, all these different tests are really looking at different things.
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Hair, blood, and urine are really looking at the extracellular matrix.
The OligoScan is looking at the intracellular matrix.
It's basically measuring three different things, the blood via the muscle and the smallcapillaries, the cells, and then the interstitial space, which is the beginning of the
lymphatic network.
The light-
does it actually report on those three compartments?
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Or does it merge them all together into a single report?
Yeah, it merges them all together.
It's just, I say that because just thinking about where the light's actually going andpenetrating, it has to penetrate at least one cell membrane, otherwise we wouldn't be able
to get a reading.
So, the interesting thing too is that even though we're testing the hand tissue, I canstill tell if somebody's had a mercury amalgam filling in their mouth by scanning the
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hand.
And that tells me that the cells are communicating with one another and that
it's showing the intracellular levels of what's actually getting into the cell.
Well, toxins are distributed throughout the body, to your point.
And, uh, fat is a, is a large reservoir for toxins, which is one of the reasons whenpeople go on crash diets, um, they can get pretty toxic, they can start to feel pretty
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terrible because they're basically releasing, if you will, all these toxins back into thebloodstream, which is then affecting, you know, circulation to other organs and other
organs are picking it up and now they're, you know, screaming uncle, so to speak.
Uh, so...
Yeah, so it is interesting.
We don't have a single test that actually captures all the elements, right?
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Because the kidneys are important for detox, the liver's important for detox, the stool isa major elimination pathway, of course.
Then you've got hair, you've got saliva, you've got what you're doing with skin.
So, I was just curious about the three compartments because I think, and there is some fatin the hand.
I don't know if you actually
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scan over the fat pads in the hand.
There's a couple of fat pads, right?
The Thane or Eminence is kind of a fat pad and then all across the lateral below thepinky, there's fat there too, right?
So, if that adds anything to the accuracy of the test or if you play with that in terms oflocation on the hand.
Well, we try to avoid any major calluses on the hand, but it's funny, I was at aconference, it was at A4M last year, and this person asked me why we measured the four
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points on the hand, and I told them, 'Well, I didn't invent this technology, so I don'tknow the true answer'.
But they told me they were like, 'Well, whoever invented it knew what he was doing becausethose four points are acupuncture points, but they're also the highest density of where
the small capillaries meet the veins.' So, he was like, 'They did a pretty good job.' So,yeah, that's...
That's the little antidote that I have on that, but...
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Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, I can tell you that circulation is individual too, just like a fingerprint, right?
So, it's people's venous structures, it's a little different for every individual, butit's still an interesting concept.
So, you're using this and, basically, it's almost like poor man's gas chromatography toactually look into the tissue, right, and see
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what's in there from the standpoint of these minerals and toxins and things.
So, yeah.
Yeah, so when my dad first brought this technology home, I was in college and I scannedmyself and I was very skeptical.
I was like,- Because my results were terrible.
I mean, I was mineral deficient and I had a lot of cadmium in my system, and aluminum.
And I was like, 'Dad, I don't really believe in this.' And, at the time, it was- for me,it was a wake-up call because I was living a college lifestyle.
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I was drinking four nights a week, my phosphorus was super low...
You see that a lot of times with people that drink.
Yeah.
was very bad just due to being in college.
And that was, you know, at first I was like, 'I don't believe this'.
But I kept testing myself and, over the years, I started to see my test really improve.
And, you know, I've tested over a thousand people with this device over the past eightyears.
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And it's really fascinating how some of these correlations, for example, gandolinium...
Gandolinium is a rare earth element.
We really aren't exposed to gandolinium at all.
But when I- So, most people were very low.
But when I see people that are high, I'll ask them, have you had an MRI with the contrastinjection in the past couple years?
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Nine out of 10 times, it's yes.
sure.
Yeah, gandolinium is in there.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, so it's the amalgam fillings.
You know, there's all- I put together a deck of the top trends that I see and that I'veseen over the past eight years.
And another big one is iodine deficiency.
And we look at, well, why are we iodine deficient?
Well, we're not getting as much iodine in our diet, but I think it's really because of thehalogens, the bromide, the chlorine, and the fluoride that we're all- been really exposed
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to.
You know, in the 70s, they started, you know, brominating the flour.
So,
we're just getting exposed to a lot more halogens, which in turn is affecting the iodine.
And iodine is one of the most important minerals, especially for pregnant women.
They did a study that the IQ of a newborn baby can be impacted by 15 to 30 IQ points foriodine deficiency.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, and even if you're not terribly deficient, if you're completely replete in iodine,it can actually improve a baby's IQ by about 10 points.
So, it's pretty dramatic.
Iodine is a big deal.
And it's a big deal for every cell in the body.
It's a big deal for thyroid production, of course.
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So yeah, super important.
Yeah, I had a chance to use your scan at a conference where we met...
The RAADFest, actually, back in September.
And it's taken us this long, I guess, to get together.
Yeah, so what are some of the other major patterns that you've seen?
Yeah, so the big one is mercury amalgam fillings, and it's usually in people over the ageof 40.
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It's a real issue.
The million dollar question is, how do we get rid of the mercury?
You know, you can look into chelation, you can look into this common thing called OSR, butit's not legal in the US.
Zeolite has been helping, but this mercury is very insidious.
And the problem is it really gets deep into the tissue.
And I see, you know,
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people that have had amalgam fillings, it's just off-the-chart high.
And it really affects the- Mercury really will affect vitamin D, phosphorus, selenium, andiodine, and also zinc.
So yeah, it's been interesting.
The thing is too, it's like, if somebody's got really high mercury, you don't wanna dumpall that mercury at once because the body is keeping it there for a reason.
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If that person was to dump all the mercury at once, the person's gonna go through severe
detox reactions.
That's the problem with chelation.
You're pulling out all that toxin all at once.
And so, the kidneys are exposed to that on the way out, right?
And so, it can be a real heavy load on the kidneys to try to deal with that.
We've had really good success with saunas, quite honestly, and then using oral, metal-freekind of detox to help pull it out through the stool,
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and out through the skin because that's- that seems to be the least toxic to the bodyright?
And we've seen dramatic drops in mercury levels for people like- Well, the other group isthe people that not only with the fillings, but people that eat a lot of fish, you know,
and we think fish is a healthy food.
And then, the next thing you know...
'Oh, I'm eating sushi all the time.' What are you eating?
'Well, you know, this, that and that.' And that's like, well, let's check your mercurybecause we see it super high many, many times.
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So, interesting.
Yeah.
and sauna is so important, and it's a major excretion pathway, and it's just superimportant, especially for aluminum toxicity.
That's another one that I see a lot, is aluminum toxicity.
I see that a lot.
Any-
have aluminum and it's been linked to dementia, as you know.
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So yeah, it's pretty interesting.
So yeah, you don't wanna be using these, keep-your-armpit-dry type deodorants.
So...
Yeah, and it's not only diurents are definitely the big one.
Another one is anti-acids, like the pepsidase C.
I didn't realize this, but in college, I had this alcohol flush syndrome.
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My face would get red when I drank.
And as a college kid that was just immature, I would take these pepsidase C's before Idrank.
Little did I know that they were loaded with aluminum.
So, you really gotta be careful with over-the-counter medications, yeah.
Pots and pans.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Yeah, I've come a long way since then.
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So yeah, aluminum toxicity is another one I see and that pairs with silica deficiency.
Silica and aluminum has antagonist synergist relationship, iodine deficiency...
Then there's the antimony, which is found in plastics.
I tested this woman about two months ago down in Florida and she was overweight, havingreally trouble losing the weight.
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She said,
'It just won't come off.
I know my hormones are messed up...' And I tested her, and her antimony was really high.
And it's interesting because antimony is found in plastics.
And I asked her, I said, 'What kind of water do you drink?' And she said, 'Oh, I drinkbottled water.
I've been drinking bottled water for the past 10 years.' She lives in Florida.
The heat, the sunlight is leaching the plastic into the water.
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Sure enough, she has high antimony.
She can't lose weight.
Her hormones are disrupted.
You know, it's about connecting the dots.
Do you have a strategy for getting antimony out of the system?
Is it, if somebody stops drinking from plastic containers, will it go out?
Or do you need to use a sauna there?
Yeah, I have this three-prong approach and it's basically, one, it's reducing the inputs,where it's coming in.
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So, in our case, it'd be reducing the plastic use.
Two, maximize the outputs, so sweating, breaking a sweat.
And then three, providing the building blocks, so making sure that she's getting enoughminerals in her diet.
I also believe that plastics or xenoestrogens, a lot of the estrogens will be stored inthe liver.
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And most people that are
experiencing some kind of illness, you got to look to the liver and the kidneys.
Usually, the liver is blocked.
So, from my research, I think potentially coffee enemas could be a good way to help theliver health.
But yeah, absolutely, sauna is one of the best ways.
Yeah, yeah, we love saunas.
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A lot of great data on sauna, as the audience knows from longevity perspective too.
Yeah.
Gladden and Jeff, this is a question for you.
How often do you recommend clients/patients to sauna?
Generally.
yeah, I mean, the data from Scandinavia was four days a week at- for 20 minutes, actually19 minutes, at I think 175 to 180 degrees was where they got massive changes.
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Right?
So, they followed guys for 20 years and had a 55% reduction in Alzheimer's dementia, 50%reduction in cardiac events and strokes.
And then, a 40% reduction in all-cause mortality and cancer, I believe.
So,
yeah, it's a dramatic kind of thing.
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And you can increase heat shock proteins with exercise also, you know, particularly ifyou're out there sweating, doing things like that.
And I'll just interject this about cardio in general, is that we're now measuring theclotho gene
for our clients, and we can measure clotho levels.
And it turns out when you have higher clotho levels, you live longer, your kidneys arehealthier, blood vessels are healthier, your brain is healthier, and having high clotho.
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So, when you're lifting weights, you're actually lowering clotho.
When you go for a run, you actually raise clotho.
So, your cross-country skiing is raising your clotho.
And resistance training is important.
You can't get away from it, but it should never be the only thing that anybody does,right?
So yeah, anyway, it's interesting.
Yeah, I agree to that.
I mean, I usually tell people, you know, a couple times a week is great.
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Yeah, a couple times a week.
I do remember Dr.
Klinghardt from one of his YouTube videos that he mentioned that 95% of the metals arereleased in the first five minutes.
I don't know how accurate that statement was, but it just always has kind of stuck withme.
So, yeah.
So I just try to always wipe down, you know, when I'm in there.
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But I mean, sauna is just, it's great.
I think it's one of the
better healing modalities and detox modalities for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, we would agree with that.
And really, people always ask me, 'Well, should it be a Swedish sauna or an infraredsauna?' Quite honestly, it doesn't matter.
I mean, the data is out of Sweden was in, you know, the hot sauna, so to speak, butthere's data out of Japan that's very good for infrared saunas and cardiovascular disease
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and peripheral vascular disease.
I think the idea is just raise your body temperature, quite honestly.
the body temperature and break a sweat.
Yeah, I actually do a sweat lodge every Wednesday with a group down in Buda, but it'sjust, you know.
No, no, this is actually here in Texas, but it's just you leave that sweat lodge, and Imean, it's very spiritual as well, but I mean, you can just feel your body.
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You feel lighter, you feel great.
Yeah.
awesome.
So...
So, this scan, is this something people can use in their homes or what's the story withthis?
This more something you go to a physician's office to use or you keep in the trunk of yourcar.
What, what's it-?
Yeah, well, technically you could, but yeah, we sell primarily to healthcare providers andclinics just because once you get the test, it's about interpreting the test and
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understanding what you're looking at.
So yeah, right now we're primarily selling to healthcare providers and clinics of thatnature.
But the test is fairly straightforward and is very simple.
The only metric you need to know is your blood type, height and weight.
Yeah.
Well, how many people know their blood type, though?
Not very many.
I ask a lot of people this and they, and they don't know.
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So...
yeah, not many people do.
I mean, it's like 50-50.
When I do shows, I usually buy the little Eldon card kits.
They're like 10 bucks on Amazon, and you can just prick your finger and determine yourblood type.
But I always stock up on those before shows because you'd be surprised, a lot of peopledon't know their blood type.
But it has to do with the protein, the antigens, and the protein, and each of thedifferent blood types has a different atomic emission spectra, similar to the elements.
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So, it really does make a difference.
You don't wanna do the test if you don't know your blood type.
That's really interesting.
Okay.
That's, that's really interesting.
Um, yeah, we've been looking at bringing it into the practice.
I kind of wanted to have this conversation with you before we did.
Uh, but yeah, good stuff.
So, what's the, um, what's the trajectory for the company at this point in time in thetechnology?
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Do you have other things that you're planning or what's going on?
yeah.
So, the- the original developer is in France and he basically makes the calls on whatelements we add to the test.
Um, that's beyond my jurisdiction, but, um, yeah, we've been, we added tin to the test,uh, a couple of months ago, um, we've added different elements like fluoride over the past
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couple of years.
So, I believe we're just going to continue to, um, I believe the next thing we're going tobe adding is, is collagen.
Um, I, you know, I'm not a biochemist, so I'm not sure how they,
how they figure these different elements and molecules out to add.
But yeah, the goal would be to try to add as many as we can.
I personally- How many clinics?
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No, how many are you currently testing?
How many elements are you currently testing?
Yeah, 21 minerals, 15 heavy metals, and seven vitamins.
Yep, and the vitamins are really interesting.
You know, specifically the B9, when I test somebody and I see low B9 on the test, it canbe an indication that they have the MHTR genetic mutation.
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Yeah, exactly.
And what's even more interesting is the vitamin D.
And I had this conversation with Dr.
Mercola at the biohacking show this year.
It's...
When the vitamin D is low, we're not looking at blood vitamin D, we're looking atintracellular D.
When the D is low, you wanna look at the mercury because we know that mercury prevents thevitamin D receptors from absorbing it in the body.
So, the more mercury somebody has, the more the vitamin D can be affected.
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And really, that's the case with a lot of these different heavy metals and minerals.
I like to, personally, look at the heavy metals first and then look at the mineralsbecause that gives me an understanding of why they could be low in the first place.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
You mean look at the minerals first and then look at the vitamins, I think.
Right?
So, you.
Yeah.
No, that's cool.
Yeah, it's very cool.
No, I like this a lot.
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And it's the interesting thing is you get instant feedback.
It's like, you do the scan and the results are there, you know, within a minute orwhatever.
It's not like you have to send it off to a lab or someplace and wait.
That's a cool thing.
Yeah, yep, it's instant.
It takes like less than 10 seconds and the results are immediate.
So, it's, for me, it's really been about understanding the test report.
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I've spent the past couple of years and I've got some great mentors.
Dr.
John Gamble is one of them.
He's our naturopath in Australia.
He's been with the OligoScan since the beginning and he actually wrote a book calledMastering Chronic Disease, Toxicity, Deficiency and Infection.
And he talks about from his clinical experience, how these different heavy metals andminerals are
correlating with chronic disease and different infections.
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So, for me, it's really just been about trying to understand, you know, this test to thebest of my ability.
And, you know, I also am the guinea pig myself.
I mean, I've been testing myself every week for the past, you know, five years, probablytoo much.
You're not gonna see a lot of variants week to week, but I like to experiment withdifferent things and see what moves the needle.
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I can tell people what actually works.
Yeah.
So, what are some of the tricks that you've learned in all of your testing, at least foryourself?
Not that it's generally applicable necessarily, but be curious to see what you've learned.
Yeah, so the biggest ones are that, you know, when I test people, and this kind of leadsinto, you know, what I was talking about earlier about the animal-based, carnivore diet,
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the most nutrient-dense form, in my opinion, nature's multivitamin is beef liver.
And a lot of people, a lot of test reports, a lot of clinics ask me, you know, how do weincrease copper, zinc, selenium, the B vitamins?
And I'm just a true believer in animal-based nutrition.
People that don't eat a lot of animal-based meat or milk or eggs, I see them, generally,pretty deficient in their minerals.
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So, for me, and I've actually watched my own test report dramatically change.
I would have been in the MTHFR genetic mutation category back when I tested myself in NewYork City.
My B9 is now practically normal.
To me, it's been a testament of my diet.
But I tell people like, you know,
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it's just really about getting the basics down.
Environment, lifestyle, diet, exercise, breaking a sweat, reducing a lot of the badthings, like the seed oils, the electromagnetic radiation.
Dr.
Mercola talks about that.
Right now, most people have a magnesium deficiency, and I really believe that it'sprobably correlated to our exposure to computers and Wi-Fi and tablets and phones.
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Mm.
It's also probably because our soil is depleted and we're not getting a lot of that fromour food.
So, I really take the approach of getting the basics down and trying to get as much ofthis stuff from our food as we can.
I do like some supplements.
I do have some staples because we live in a world where our food just isn't asnutrient-dense as it was.
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So, I really like MSM for sulfur.
That's been the one mineral that I've really watched closely.
My test has almost got to be perfect.
But the salt thing, it's been a journey, but the sulfur, shockingly, is low.
I eat a lot of animal-based, so it's interesting.
But the MSM is one of those supplements that really moves the needle.
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Iodine is a big one.
I like to take iodine.
You can overdo iodine.
You can actually crash your thyroid if you take too much iodine, just so the audienceunderstands.
So, it's not that you always remember biology is an economy of balance here, right?
It's not about how far can you push something.
But, but so many people are iodine depleted and they've gone to sea salt instead of, youknow, salt with iodine in it, et cetera.
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That getting some iodine in, you know, on a fairly regular basis, like I wouldn't do itevery day, personally.
I might take it twice a week.
Yeah.
But because you don't want to crash your thyroid.
That's a problem.
So, yeah.
Right.
Lynn Farrow talks about that in her book.
If somebody has a lot of mercury or heavy metal and they just dive right into 10milligrams of iodine, they can have a Herxheimer reaction.
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So, you definitely do want to be careful.
reaction.
So, this is a detox kind of reaction.
It's where your body is seeing something.
It can happen in a variety of technologies, right?
So, let's say you jump in the sauna for the first time or the ozone sauna for the firsttime.
And all of a sudden you're liberating toxins, you're ozonating things, and your body isdetoxing to the point where, you know, you've liberated these toxins into your system.
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Now you're sick from those toxins.
That's what a Hertzheimer reaction really is.
So, you've got to go slow,
to the point that Jeff's making, as you kind of build back towards health.
So, just keep that in mind, yeah.
yep, exactly.
I also really like cilantro, coriander, cumin.
I do it primarily animal-based, but I think it's all about balance.
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I think it's all about listening to your body and how you respond.
I think everybody's definitely different.
Yes, spirulina and chlorella can be very helpful in the detox process also.
Yeah.
And I guess the last thing I'll say is, particularly regarding aluminum, because that'sreally what my generation and really everybody needs to be focusing on right now.
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And the big thing with that is breaking a sweat.
My mentor, Michael Fezler, he has a skincare product line named Herbilex.
They do like non-synthetic ingredient, basically, vasodilator creams that help draw thealuminum using natural ingredients.
I believe a couple of them are seaweed and
curcumin, or I think it's coriander seed.
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But, basically, they help vasodilate the skin to allow the metals to basically come outvia the skin.
So, it would be great in a sauna.
But the aluminum is basically, it's basically getting trapped.
So, antiperspirant, for example, when people put the antiperspirant on, it's blocking thelymphatic system from draining that aluminum.
And we break the aluminum down into salts and then we sweat it out via the skin.
(38:24):
So,
for people like, when I'll test people and I ask them, 'Your aluminum is high, do you havea hard time breaking a sweat?' Most of the time the answer is yes.
So, for them it's really identifying where the lymphatic system is blocked and basicallyencouraging the body to sweat more.
So, it's really about the basics.
I really like to have the fundamental basics in check in making sure that what you'reputting in your body is clean and nutritious.
(38:51):
Yeah, perfect.
Well, it's interesting.
So, where can people learn more about this?
Theoligoscan.com, we have a website which has a lot of information online.
I have my own podcast.
spell it for people, OligoScan?
Yeah, so it's the OligoScan, so O-L-I-G-O-Scan, S-C-A-N.com.
(39:16):
Yep, I also have my own podcast called The Intracellular Podcast where I go through a lotof these trends and I go through a lot of different ingredients that I believe work.
I just had Jeff Hoyt on, he has this zeolite clannaphthalite company, Zeolite Labs.
So, one of my big-
One of my big questions is, all right, we got high metals, what do we do now?
So, for me, it's been trying to identify natural sources that can help assist the body andget rid of the metals.
(39:44):
The body's only gonna get rid of what it's willing to get rid of.
You can't put a gun to the body and say, get rid of all these metals.
It's a slow process, and you don't even wanna get rid of all the metals in one day.
So, it's working with the body to get rid of the metals.
And I had Jeff Hoyt on, the founder of Zeolite Labs, and he talks a lot about this,
the body's ability to detox on its own pace.
(40:05):
That's right.
And zeolite is a binder, just so people understand.
It'll bind different substances, quite honestly.
So, yeah, I also, I'll say one more thing about saunas, which is that if you're going tostart doing saunas, you need to kind of ramp up to that, too.
Because we were talking about being in there 19, 20 minutes at 180 degrees or something.
(40:25):
When you first step into a sauna, you may not be able to do that.
You may be in there five, six, seven minutes to say, 'I'm done, I'm out.' And you shouldlisten to that and step back out.
And it's,
it's kind of like, it's called sauna training.
You kind of- sauna conditioning.
You kind of train and condition yourself to be able to be in there 20 minutes, 25 minutesor whatever.
So, if you're listening to this, just realize that's a piece of the puzzle, too.
(40:49):
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Steve, any questions you have?
No.
interested in trying the scan out and seeing what it shows for me.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I was thinking about orcas, how they eat shark livers.
I was thinking when you started talking about eating beef livers, it's like, 'Ok, well,maybe there's something to the- maybe we're all related to orcas here somehow.'
(41:18):
Yeah, well, you know, it's like any wild animal, the first thing they'll eat are theorgans.
If you look at any wild animal, first thing they'll eat is nutrient density.
Yeah, and also the Native Americans, you know, they would use the whole animal, nose totail.
So, my whole thing over, you know, my evolution now has been to, you know, after huntingis to utilize the whole animal.
(41:39):
And I really believe that, you know, most people go into the store and they say, you know,they want meat, right?
So they get a ribeye or they get ground beef, right?
But that's only one third of the equation.
The second and third part of the equation is the organ meats but also the bones to get theglycine and the collagen.
And I think that it's more than just eating meat.
(42:01):
We gotta eat nose to tail.
We gotta start including all these different...
It is an interesting point that you make and there is value.
I'm not a vegetarian.
We do tend to eat a lot of plants and because the highest nutrient density on the planetis in plants, right?
There's no doubt about it by a factor of like 15 or 20.
(42:22):
That being said, there is value to animal protein.
And I think, you know, part of the thing with,
with animals is that if you're hunting and you know that the animals got living in a cleanenvironment where you're getting a clean liver, that's one thing.
But the liver does concentrate toxins.
(42:42):
And so, if you've got a cattle that have been raised in some, you know, pen fed, what, whoknows what, and shot with who knows what hormones and antibiotics and everything else, you
don't really know what that liver is all about.
You may not actually be wanting to eat that liver.
So...
Right?
want to eat a liver from a factory-farmed cow or a wagyu cow that's been eating chocolatebars and plastic.
(43:04):
You don't want to eat that liver.
No.
That's right.
That's my point.
So, I think there's value in the nutrient density of meat.
I will say this though, that methionine is high.
The amino acid methionine is high in the carnivore diet and methionine has been associatedwith accelerated aging.
So just, you know, it's back to this economy of balance.
(43:26):
It's not about, it's not about all I eat is steak, right?
Five days.
Don't take that as a message here.
And it's also, I don't think it's all about all I eat is kale and asparagus.
I think really you want a mixed diet, but you really want that colorful diet.
I think you really want lots of different plants.
The body loves variety and it loves nutrient density.
(43:47):
So, that's- Yeah.
Good stuff.
That's right.
Jeff, when you talk about those other two thirds of the organ meats, as well as theconnective tissue, the glycine and the collagen, how do you recommend people to get that
nutrition?
Yeah, so you can buy bones and make your own bone broth.
(44:09):
You can buy the bone marrow.
Those are two great easy ways.
Me, personally, every time I hunt a new animal, I try to utilize one new part of theanimal.
So, just a quick story.
I recently discovered that the hooves are an incredible source of gelatin.
And the last year that I shot and I took, I harvested and I basically skinned the hoovesand then I put them in a crock pot.
(44:35):
What you do is you basically take off the actual hoof and in the inside there's just thislike little nugget of like gelatin.
It's actually pretty good.
It's yeah, it's gelatin exactly.
So, that's maybe a little bit more advanced but a great place to start is just the bones,just making your own bone broth.
Yeah, nice.
(44:56):
Well, fascinating conversation.
Really appreciate you being with us on this podcast, Jeff.
Yeah, this was awesome.
Thanks for having me and just, it's an honor to be here and share my story and hopefullyit can help impact others' lives.
Yeah, beautiful.
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