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Welcome to "Hey Dancer" your semi-weekly dance podcast.
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I'm your host Miller Daurey and today I'm kicking off a two-parter.
It's my first series, if you will, is dance a sport.
It's one of those debates maybe or hot topics or conversations I feel like is popping
up a lot in the dance world.
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I hear teachers in class talk about it, I've seen it on social media and it's, I don't
know, just come up with dance friends of mine and honestly it might be kind of tricky,
right?
Because I mean that's why I'm doing this in two parts.
There's a lot to cover so here's the deal.
Today part one, I'm covering yes, dance is a sport.
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Part two, next week, I'm gonna flip it.
No, it's not a sport and bring you those arguments.
I'm not picking sides yet, I'm just laying out fair points, at least I think they're fair.
Stuff, I think holds water on both ends.
No editorializing, no personal hot takes, not until the end of part two anyway.
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That's when I'll share my thoughts, opinions where I lean on this issue.
Okay, first off, this whole thing hinges on one big question.
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Also before I get to the big question, do you see how I keep the suspense going here?
I just want to say that while this conversation is I see talked about a lot, I think it's
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magnified for me specifically because as I've mentioned often as someone who disappeared
from dance for three freaking decades, I was slapped in the face with lots of new stuff
about dance, the evolution of movement in class, the structure, how class is taught, but
also terms in the industry.
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And this is just one example sport.
I didn't hear dance ever being referred to as a sport in the early 90s when I did one singular
dance competition when I was on star search, which was a TV talent competition show.
Still never heard the never heard dance in sport in the same sentence.
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So that's definitely a change.
Now that's my personal experience inevitably.
There will be somebody who's like I danced in the 1940s and we always call dance a sport.
I'm just speaking for me and my journey.
I never heard it hence my surprise in hearing it so much now and wanting to investigate
further with this podcast.
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We are ready for the big question.
What is a sport?
Like how do we define it?
That's the heart of this debate or conversation or whatever you want to call it.
I want to say it's all about competition sport rules, scores, winners, others say it's
physical exertions sweat stamina pushing your body.
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And yeah, there's wiggle room there, right?
For now for part one, let's think of a sport is how the Oxford dictionary defines sport and
activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes
against another or others for entertainment or how dictionary.com defines sport as quote
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an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess.
Now it does not take a genius to figure out that dance obviously very much fits into those
definitions of sport when most people think of sports they think of athletes, right?
And that to me is at the core of this dancers are athletes.
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They're all stop dancers push their bodies in ways.
Most people can't even dream of it's not just grace or artistry though obviously that
is there to its raw athleticism strength agility endurance coordination you name it dancers
have it in spades that is not up for debate here.
This is a fact the real question is whether that athleticism plus everything else dance brings
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makes it a sport.
So let's not forget the mental game dancers aren't just nailing moves.
Corio they're memorizing and dancing combinations down to the breath down down to the fraction
of a fraction of a beat you know and if you're dancing with a partner or in groups you know
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like in a performance you're you're sinking with that person or team often under crazy
pressure especially if it's a comp and pushing through nerves injuries just to hit the stage
just to make the performance it's that kind of discipline and in head space you see an
athlete's like tennis players or sprinters or boxers that mental toughness is a huge piece
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of what makes something a sport.
So those are two arguments and proofs really that dance is a sport already you know really
on here in the podcast.
Athletes and the mental game.
Okay picture this I love that saying it reminds me of Sophia on the golden girls anyone
anyone know this picture it okay a dancer in the studio hours deep into training drenched
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in sweat muscles screaming is that sound familiar this is another huge argument dance demands
intense physical conditioning we're talking strength endurance flexibility stuff that rivals
other elite athletes like NFL players Olympic swimmers or marathon runners ballerinas for
example are holding up to 10 times their body weight on their toes and data backs that up
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I wouldn't say it otherwise from a 2021 study by Gora that link is in the show notes below
by the way football players they're hitting maybe five times their weight sprinting but
it spread across their legs not pinpointed like on their feet and toes like ballerinas wrestlers
gymnasts same deal four or five times max and it's not all on their feet.
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But it's not just ballerinas take break dancers those power moves like windmills or freezes
their generating explosive strength and core stability that rivals gymnasts holding
their entire body weight on one arm or head for seconds at a time or hip hop dancers pulling
off quick sharp isolations especially in today's time with exceedingly fast choreography
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in so much you know hip hop very bottom heavy loading the knees footwork super intense all
of that demands insane coordination and stamina matching what you'd see in a basketball
player sprinting down the court or what about salsa or tango dancers they're building endurance
through hours of partner work twisting and turning with precision under pressure dance
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is brutal honestly in a way that's kind of unreal and the training it's not just stretching
in a leotard is maybe some people might think it's cross training it's conditioning it's
periodization to peak for performances injury prevention drills sounds a lot like what
pro athletes do right but here is where it gets interesting not all dance is the same I'm
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not talking right now about styles you know like ballet tap jazz hip hop salsa I'm talking
context and setting dance as an art form focused on expression and performance versus dance
as a competitive activity that's the line I think we've got a draw if you take anything
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away from this podcast that's the big one competitive dance are e sport all dance requires
superhuman like athleticism no doubt but competitive dance that's teams or soloists hitting the
stage facing off chasing scores awards trophies that distinction matters and this from my
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experience is why the yes dances a sport crowd leans hard on competitive dance to state their
case it's got judges scoring systems structured events all homerks of what we call sports think
about those massive nationals where everyone's gunning for a trophy it's not just art it's a contest
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to dig into this a little bit deeper I reached out to my friend doctor Chelsea paradi who has
a wonderful dance podcast called passion for dance which I actually was a guest on some time ago
that link will be below doctor Chelsea is a voice in the dance world with a lot of thoughts
on this topic I actually remember I don't know quite a while ago posting something on my
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stories about dance and sport and I remembered obliquely like somewhere deep in my memory that
she responded saying that dance could be a sport so that is one of the reasons I thought to reach
out to her and ask her to focus strictly on competitive dance and here is what she said dancers
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are athletes who put in the physical training and show very high levels of skill coordination
and athleticism in performances when they compete against other dancers and so while dance isn't
always competitive when it's done with a competitive structure and judging it's a sport
now I also don't think that the sport aspects of dance are without challenges it's inherently
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difficult to objectively evaluate art but that doesn't mean competitive dance isn't a sport it's
just one where people will differ in opinion on what should score well that's why there are so
many different types of competitions and different opinions on the evaluation of our sport that said
competitive dance fits the definition of sport physically demanding high coordination of skills
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competing against one another for a ranking doctor Chelsea is clearly pointing at that competitive edge
physicality plus head to head rankings it's not flawless judging art is messy which is something that
I will very much go into in part two but yeah competitive dance for sure has that sporty DNA now let's
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zoom out a bit what about stuff like figure skating gymnastics cheerleading their artistic sure
yeah fancik let's see costumes sometimes music performance vibes but they're locked in sports figure
skating has you know spins and jumps and they're judged on so many attributes like that precision
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and execution of those really difficult technical skills when I was a kid growing up figure skating was
my favorite sport in the winter Olympics and I remember there would be and I don't know if it's
still like this but I'm guessing it is there is that first round of scoring for artistic merit and then
the second round for the technical stuff same thing with gymnastics although it's not the same with
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you know the judges releasing scores one at a time artistry versus technical or whatever it is
but you know what I mean their routines are scored down to the decimal and the judges factor in all
of their skills their tricks in each of those skills and tricks by the way have different tiers
different skill levels in an artistry plays some role although I will say that I feel like the
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evolution of gymnastics has gotten more and more trick heavy and less and less artistic that's my
own personal gripe about it because I loved when gymnastics had far more artistry but that's
another conversation and what about cheerleading they got the flipping they got the stunts in
nationals for example all three of those right figure skating gymnastics and cheerleading mix art and
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athleticism and nobody is arguing them out of the sports club competitive dance isn't any
different really it just kind of makes you wonder why dance often gets the side eye you know sometimes
doesn't it I mean you'll hear people say it's just a performance or it's way too artistic to ever be
a sport especially in academic or funding circles but when you see the physicality in competition
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it's hard to ignore the overlap right oh and check this dance is popping up in places that scream
sport breaking hit the Olympics in 2024 and it's not a fluke you've got stuff like the world
dance sport federation running ballroom comps with strict rules and rankings it's not just dance
battles anymore in the studio around the street dance is global flexing that competitive edge on the
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world stage kind of hard to argue it's not a sport when it's got Olympic cred right and that brings
me to something else I think is crucial why it's so important to think of dance as a sport it's
about respect sure but it's also practical think colleges grants funds scholarships dance
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should be on par with other sports no question right now tons of college dancers can't get
athletic scholarships or the same benefits as say soccer or track athletes recognizing dance
as a sport could unlock more funding for teams better facilities equal treatment on campus
it's not just bragging rights it's about giving dancers the resources and opportunities they deserve
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and it's also not just about the logistics there's more to it for dancers themselves especially young
up and coming dancers calling it a sport could really shift how they see their own grind
it's validation you aren't an artist only sweating it out you're an athlete owning a crazy
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tough field that mental boost can fuel confidence push you harder even help with burnout
and for society it flips the script people stop seeing dance as that that pretty thing on stage you know
and they start clocking it as a legit powerhouse of skill and grit right up there with football
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or boxing because language matters it could mean more kids picking up dance more diverse talent in
the game and honestly a culture that finally gets how wild this whole world of dance is so yeah
it's bigger than just funding it's about identity and respect inside and out okay here is where it
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gets really fun at least for me science and numbers I love this part there's this us department of
labor study oh and ET oh net data crunched by insurance providers dot com that ranks jobs by physical
demands guess which job is number one yep dancers not firefighters not roofers not NFL linebackers dancers
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they scored it on five metrics stamina explosive strength flexibility coordination and trunk
strength dancers hit 100 out of 100 in stamina flexibility and coordination and 97 overall
that's higher than pro athletes in a bunch of fields choreographers even snagged number seven
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crushing it in stamina and strength to it's crazy right now I'd actually drop this data in an
Instagram carousel not too long ago and it kind of blew up it got a lot of traction and if you
aren't following me on Instagram I recommend you do I do daily twice daily dance content between
carousels and reels and I post on my stories every morning a fun dance poll or quiz and it's where I am
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the most present active visible and consistent and all the things so I highly recommend at back to
great follow me there people went off in the comments I've got screenshots here so if you're only
listening you may want to check it out on youtube or spot a five for the video and here's what
a few people said at dancing and see something to think about as we head into the hysteria of super
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bowl weekend when the nation practically comes to a halt to watch these multi-millionaire athletes
play a game dancers are the best all-around athletes but never receive the respect and compensation
that traditional athletes do at quarry and field and yet so many college dancers can't get athletic
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scholarships or the same benefits that other athletes get at hillyry.yager.7 just recognize dance
as a sport already at catatrol and some people still say this is not a sport as you can see these
comments prove that for a lot of people this data screams sport that is what they inferred from my carousel
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I mean I can't begrudge them it's kind of hard to argue with 100 out of 100 stamina when you're
outlasting a linebacker right one more thing dancers the good ones the top ones the high level ones
are never just winging it they're deep into sports science same as any athlete think nutrition plans
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to fuel those long rehearsals and performances biomechanics to perfect a leap recovery tricks like
ice baths or PT or chiropractic or acupuncture whatever to stay in the game it's not random it's
calculated like a soccer player prepping for a match that level of prep to me at least screams dance
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is a sport so there we are I did it I got through it that's the yes side for part one dance as a sport
it's got the physical grind the competitive juice when it structured that way the stats to back it
up next time on part two we're gonna flip it and we're gonna defend why dance is not a sport
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what pulls it much more toward art instead no judgment yet i'm just laying it out letting you chew on it
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