Leadership development is a $370 billion global industry – but how much of that investment is actually paying off? In this episode of the HRDQ-U In Review podcast, host Sarah sits down with Dr. Jack Phillips, founder of the ROI Institute, to discuss how organizations can demonstrate the true value of their leadership development programs. Jack reveals the need to go beyond anecdotal feedback and measure real-world impact.
Jack shares why fear often keeps organizations from evaluating their programs and explains how shifting the mindset – starting with business needs and involving leaders in setting measurable objectives – can drive better outcomes. He breaks down his approach to connecting training efforts to ROI, discusses common evaluation mistakes, and offers tips for collecting credible, executive-ready data.
Whether you're a leadership development professional, an HR leader, or a business executive, this episode offers straightforward, actionable insights to help you design programs that truly move the needle and demonstrate the value of leadership development programs.
What You’ll Learn:
Chapters & Time Stamps
00:00 – Introduction
01:08 – Jack’s Background
03:17 – Why Organizations Avoid Measuring Leadership ROI
04:47 – Executive Buy-in and Key Takeaways
06:06 – Connecting Development to Business Needs
07:03 – Letting Leaders Choose Impact Measures
09:15 – Sharing Results with Credibility
10:44 – How Long It Takes to See ROI
12:25 – Going Beyond Learning: Level 3 & 4
13:46 – Where to Learn More
Action Items
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