March 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Transform anxiety with insights from Dr. Steve Peters' groundbreaking book, "A Path Through the Jungle." Discover how to manage your inner 'chimp,' the emotional side that thrives on impulsivity and often leads us into negative emotional territory. In this mini-series, Dr. Liz will challenge your perceptions and you’ll learn the art of reshaping your beliefs.
We'll discuss the importance of confronting limiting beliefs, drawn from past events, and how they influence your life choices.
Actionable steps and real-life examples will guide you through understanding how these emotions can be redirected into constructive energy.
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See more about Dr. Peters at https://chimpmanagement.com
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey everyone, dr Liz, here Today we're
talking about a book called A Path Through
the Jungle a psychological health and
well-being program to develop robustness
and resilience.
It's by Dr Steve Peters, professor Steve
Peters, p-e-t-e-r-s.
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This is a life-changing book and I actually
sought permission from him to talk
extensively about this book because at one
point I thought I would do a series on it,
like 10 episodes, okay, five episodes, a
whole new podcast, I don't know.
It really is probably one of the books
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that's changed my life the most and how I
think about anxiety, depression, plans, and
that's saying a lot to say that in my 50s,
when I studied psychology.
A lot to say that in my 50s, when I studied
psychology, change methods have read
hundreds of books in my life, taken
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professional workshops, all kinds of stuff
for the last well, more than 30 years,
because I started studying psychology
actually in high school.
I took a high school special program to
study psychology two hours a day and then
got a bachelor's in psychology, then a
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master's, a PhD, in clinical psychology.
So again, most of my life I have been
studying psychology.
So it's quite a statement to say this is a
life-changing book.
Just to let you know that, it was
recommended to me, by a client actually,
and I bought a paper copy of it.
There's a Kindle copy, but I highly suggest
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the paperback because it's not your typical
self-help book.
It is laid out almost like it's not a
boring textbook.
It's an exciting textbook Okay pictures,
graphics, little inlays.
It's amazing really.
So visually it kept me very interested.
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Now I will say I took my time reading it.
Normally a book of this size 300 something
pages I could get through it.
Normally a book of this size 300 something
pages I could get through.
I mean, if it's literature or fiction, I
finish it in two or three days.
If it's nonfiction, maybe a week or two,
maybe a month.
This one took me months to get through
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because I wanted to absorb the information
really well.
I'd go back and reread it, I would do some
of the exercises that he suggested in it
and I really wanted to get a good handle on
the material.
So I read it very slowly.
Actually Now I'm reading other books during
that time as well, not just this one.
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But I purposely slowed down for this one so
that I could learn the concepts really well.
So we're not just going to talk about it,
we're going to talk also about some of the
basic concepts in it that he presents.
Dr Peters, this is one of the times that I
wish the podcast was visual.
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You know a lot of people record the record
their podcasts and put it on YouTube and
all of that.
I don't tend to do that because, honestly,
that takes a much higher effort in terms of
makeup, cameras, lighting, all that stuff.
I have always been an audio-based podcast,
but I will try my best to describe the
handouts to you so that you get a visual
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picture of them as we go.
Here we go.
He starts with the basic concept of your
chimp versus your human.
The chimp is that feeling part of ourselves
that doesn't really think, and what the
chimp does is its job is to detect a
problem and then signal to us that there is
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a problem.
Okay, and usually that is through negative
emotions.
Now, negative emotions are not there to be
endured, despite what the Buddhists say.
Okay, we all have negative emotions.
Actually, we all have pain and suffering,
but they're not there to just simply be
endured.
They're actually there to prompt us to act
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in various ways, and really what they need
is converting into constructive action.
So often what they prompt us to do is not
very constructive.
Okay, act out, do things that are not good
for ourselves overeat, drink, addictions,
gambling, that type of thing Create drama,
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create conflict in our relationships.
Sometimes do things that aren't so safe for
us, like get in our car and drive really
fast or tune our loved ones out, ignore
good advice or people trying to help us.
There's all kinds of ways that it's not
constructive action when the negative
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emotions are there.
But ultimately, what the chimp is trying to
tell us is that, hey, there's a problem,
there's a problem, there's a problem, you
need to handle this.
But the chimp is emotional, it's reactive,
it's defensive, it can't plan, it's
impulsive, but it is trying to protect us
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and help us.
It's like a bad friend.
I say that is trying to be a friend to us,
trying to tell us something, be connected
to us, but isn't giving us very good advice,
sort of like the friend who says oh, don't
worry about you, know your health, go ahead
and eat the chocolate cake, it's okay, All
right.
So there's the chimp.
The chimp thrives on drives too.
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We all have basic human drives.
An example of some drives are the drive for
power, sex partnership.
The drive for security is very, very high
in us humans Security in terms of food and
shelter.
People do all kinds of things to get it.
Territory is a basic drive.
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Troop, herd, a sense of belonging is a big
drive for a lot, a lot of people.
Again, people vary on how strong these
drives are in them.
Another one is dominance, which is ego
drive.
That's an ego-driven drive.
Sometimes it's parental.
A nurturing drive comes up.
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Often it's mental stimulation,
inquisitiveness.
That's a basic human drive to be curious
about what's around us and how to
understand what's around us.
Now, why do we all have these drives?
To keep us safe.
That's it To keep the species going.
That's it To keep us all surviving and
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hopefully to keep us safe again.
So remember that the chimp thrives on
drives and when a drive is being threatened
it will send us some negative emotions,
detect a problem and signal us with the
negative emotions.
I had a neighbor in South Florida who had a
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very strong territory drive.
So I lived in a townhouse and there were
two parking spaces in front of mine and two
parking spaces in front of hers and when I
first moved in her mom was still driving,
but her mom aged, and then they only had
one car but she would park her car sort of
like kitty-cornered, you know crooked, so
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that she took up both of those parking
spaces.
You know crooked, so that she took up both
of those parking spaces.
And even if she didn't do that, if, let's
say, a repair person came to my house and
happened to park in her space because it's
right there in front of my house too, she
would go ballistic, okay.
And she said I had to ask permission, and
you know that's disrespectful and you know
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all this stuff, and you know that's
disrespectful and you know all this stuff.
So I learned pretty quickly she had
extremely high territory drive and as long
as I realized that and as permission, she
was fine.
But boy, if it ever got violated, even by
accident, I didn't tell people to park
there.
You know they just show up and park
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wherever right and they'll park as close to
your house as they can get, regardless of
whether it's marked a guest spot or not.
But even if it was by accident, it was.
You know she blamed me right, it was my
fault.
So once you know someone's drives, you can
choose how to address them drives.
You can choose how to address them.
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Now, luckily, I don't like a whole lot of
conflict, so I didn't do stuff on purpose
to piss her off.
Basically, I could see how you hear stories
about neighbors getting into wars like that,
and that's because of things like that that
maybe they're not conflict averse or they
really don't care about the other person,
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or their drive for power is higher than
their drive for security Because, honestly,
a more friendly relationship with your
neighbor, it gives you a bigger sense of
security.
You don't have to be scared of them.
They're going to do something to your
property.
So all these drives come into play
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different ways.
That's just an example of one of them.
So the chimp thrives on drives.
We all have drives.
The chimp sends us a message until we pay
attention.
That's it.
The chimp sends messages until we pay
attention.
That's it.
The chimp sends messages until we pay
attention.
So it'll continue to make things
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uncomfortable for us until we pay attention.
We have a human part.
The job of the human part is to find a
solution and reassure the chimp.
Okay, the human part is thoughtful,
rational, able to pause, problem solve.
It's time focused, it makes decisions, it
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makes plans.
It is trying to protect us just like the
chimp is and help us.
But it's more like a helpful friend who
says you know your health is really
important, but that chocolate cake is no
big deal.
Let's go take a walk after dinner.
Okay, that's the human side.
Now, remember, I didn't name these.
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It says Peters who named them, but I just
think that they are laid out clearly and it
just intuitively makes sense to me like
this.
Now, the other thing that informs our human
is our programming.
He calls it what's in your computer.
I would say what's in your subconscious
mind, sometimes what's in your conscious
mind too, because our programming gives
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information to our human.
The chimp gives information to our human.
So imagine this little triangle going on
and both arrows are pointing to the human,
trying to give it information so that it
can find a solution and then reassure the
chimp.
Now we have different types of programming
or subconscious beliefs.
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The first type is helpful autopilots, and
these are things that are like they sound.
Autopilots are automatic in us and they pop
up when we need some help.
A helpful autopilot is like I can only do
my best.
I can make a plan and start small.
I have a choice about who I want to be and
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how I am in the world, how I want to
interact.
Something may happen unexpectedly and a
helpful autopilot could pop up and say, oh,
I can handle whatever happens, I can sort
it out, I'm capable of going with the flow
would be a helpful autopilot.
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When necessary, I make plans.
I generally stick to them, but I'm able to
adjust if they need adjusting would be a
helpful autopilot.
So it's things like this and people have
their own individual ones.
I have heard lots and lots of good, helpful
autopilots over my years presenting this
information.
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Also just listening autopilots over my
years presenting this information.
Also just listening, when you listen to
someone talk, when you really listen deeply,
you will hear helpful autopilots pop up.
Helpful autopilot is the serenity prayer.
Higher power, grant me the serenity to
accept the things I cannot change, courage
to change the things I can, and wisdom to
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know the difference.
That's a helpful autopilot.
I mean you can imagine someone in recovery
saying that let's say every day for 90 days
at the beginning of the recovery, but for
years and years and years.
It's repeated so much it's applied to
different situations becomes a helpful
autopilot.
Some prayers become helpful autopilot.
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So prayers that are set in different
religious faiths become helpful autopilots.
There's the prayer of Saint Francis, which
if you're familiar with Sarah McLoughlin,
she did a beautiful musical version of that
prayer.
This can become a helpful autopilot.
It was one for me when I was going through
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a really difficult time at one point, right
before I entered recovery myself.
And it says Lord, make me an instrument of
your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon when there is
doubt, faith when there is despair, hope
when there is doubt, faith where there is
despair, hope where there is darkness,
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light where there is sadness, joy.
And then there's a second one I'm going to
read to you, so if you don't want to hear
it, you can, you know, hit that fast
forward button on your podcast.
Oh divine master, grant that I may not so
much seek to be consoled as to console, to
be understood as to understand, to be loved
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as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive, it is
in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is
in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Now, I don't believe in the patriarchal God,
let's say.
I have my own, what I call freaky, deaky
higher power.
But this was a great comfort to me.
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It helped guide my behavior at a time when
I felt very out of control.
But that is what I would call a helpful
autopilot that I drew strength from.
Okay, so helpful autopilot.
Same form are human when the chimp's
sending a message and freaking out and
saying, oh my god, what do we do?
What do we do?
There's a problem.
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What else informs our human?
Next level is unhelpful gremlins.
Unhelpful are destructive, automatic
behaviors or beliefs, but they are more
changeable than the third level, which is
goblins.
These are the same as griblins but they're
more resistant to being removed, and
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goblins often stem from childhood or
traumatic experiences like I'm not safe,
I'm never safe, I'm worthless.
That's an unhelpful goblin.
I don't deserve a good life or to be loved
by a good person.
I fail at whatever I try to do.
I'm not as good as everybody else.
Those are the level of a goblin Gremlin
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would be.
Mistakes are not okay, but I make them
sometimes.
I have to win.
It's best to win.
I feel bad if I don't.
But you don't go to the level of saying I'm
a loser if I don't win.
The helpful autopilot there would be.
I tried my best and you don't always win.
Even when you try your best, it's all too
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much, I'm unable to cope.
That would be unhelpful gremlins.
If you take it to the level of I'm unable
to cope and unable to reach out for help.
No one's ever going to help me or want to
help me, because I'm worthless.
And you're entering the territory of the
goblin, okay.
So gremlins and goblins right, worse to be
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a goblin than a gremlin.
Now, his book is about changing these
unhelpful gremlins and goblins recognizing
them first, of course, then changing them
and changing them in various ways.
Now, I'm a hypnosis specialist, so here
comes hypnosis for you.
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Personally and professionally, I believe
that hypnosis is a way to change those
unhelpful goblins and gremlins.
Sometimes these core beliefs get
established in childhood, sometimes it's
adolescence, sometimes, if it's due to
trauma, it's in adulthood even, and then
our subconscious mind just latches onto
them and gathers evidence for them and
lives our life as if they're true, instead
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of really combating them.
And sometimes this has to do with parenting,
but sometimes it's teachers, siblings
something random that happens friends that
can instill these really negative deep
beliefs in us.
Deep beliefs in us and the power of
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hypnosis to heal and change.
That is just incredible.
That's what I've seen over the years, after
I became trained in the technique to do
exactly that, and you've heard me talk
about it on the podcast before.
It's called core healing.
Because we're healing core beliefs, we're
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healing these unhelpful goblins that make
us do stuff we don't want to do or sabotage
us or make us feel bad about ourselves.
These are all goblins that come up and do
that.
Now, the task here is to replace the
unhelpful gremlins and goblins, the
negative beliefs.
To replace the unhelpful gremlins and
goblins, the negative beliefs, with helpful
autopilots To install that when negative
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emotion comes up.
It is a catalyst for change.
It's just a signal for us to do something.
It's neither positive or negative, actually
okay, but it's just simply a signal for us.
It's a flag hey, something's going on, you
need to handle it.
You need to take a signal for us.
It's a flag hey, something's going on, you
need to handle it, you need to take a look
at it.
You need to change something here or
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something needs to change.
Sometimes we're not always in the power
position to change something that's causing
us distress, but we can absolutely change
what we're doing with that distress.
You've heard me say this before.
I do not think that it is all about thought
change.
I know that is odd, coming from a cognitive
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behavioral therapist.
Most CBT therapists, a lot of coaches these
days, think it's all about thoughts,
thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.
I don't believe that.
I think that people, events, outside forces
affect us, some of us more deeply than
others, and that depends on your own
sensitivity level, and we don't always
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control that Like, yes, we are affected by
the world we live in, but where I do agree
with them is all right.
Let's recognize that.
Let's recognize what we can control, what
we can change and what we can handle and
work on releasing the pain and suffering
around things that we can't.
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That would be a helpful autopilot.
I can't change everything, but I can work
on releasing the suffering so that I am
able to move forward in my life, to live
with a greater sense of ease.
All right, so how do we do this?
We say what's the emotion, feeling being
expressed?
Why did the chimp send this message?
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What constructive action do we convert the
feeling into?
Or what belief do I have to challenge and
replace?
Now, if we choose a constructive action, we
need to celebrate we've completed the
action, because chimps like bananas is what
Peter says and I do too.
Most of us humans react very well to reward,
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even if it's very small.
There's all kinds of ways to celebrate and
I always say look for creative ways that
don't cost money to celebrate.
Sometimes it's like, all right, taking a
walk.
For me, it's often okay, I'll do this task
and then I'll get to exercise.
It's a wonderful way to celebrate.
For me, I mean a cup of tea, taking a drive
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somewhere you want to go, calling a friend.
Sometimes it is larger for doing really
major stuff, we have a bigger celebration.
We naturally do this in our lives.
When someone graduates high school or
college or, in the US, eighth grade or
kindergarten or fifth grade too, we have a
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celebration.
We have a graduation for them.
My daughter even had a preschool graduation,
which was super cute, let me tell you, so
cute.
I definitely miss those days.
I was a parent who, like, cried during all
of those.
The kids are so cute, so we naturally do
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this.
So when you're thinking about oh my gosh, I
chose a constructive action instead of a
destructive action Wonderful, how am I
going to celebrate Now if you're
challenging a belief?
The task there is to choose a simple truth
that resonates with you and helps.
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Now, this is harder than it sounds.
I learned pretty early on through my
hypnosis training that the reason that
affirmations don't always work, you know
because when we're going along here and
you're thinking is that just an affirmation,
a helpful autopilot?
No, it's not.
It's really not, because affirmations don't
work.
If you really don't believe them, your
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subconscious mind will come in and be like
you don't really believe that.
We're not doing that, that's never going to
happen, okay.
But this is sometimes why people get
disappointed by manifesting.
But they're like but I've been manifesting,
I've been writing it down and all this
stuff.
Do you really believe that this is possible
for you?
Because if you don't, that's what's
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happening.
We've got to take some baby steps here and
get there step by step.
We've got to do something.
You believe that is possible for you to get
to this other result.
So let me give you some examples of this
simple belief life is not fair.
That's a simple belief that can resonate
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with you.
If you're challenging a belief a gremlin
could come up of oh my God, I never get
what's owed to me.
It's like, yeah, life is not fair and I
sometimes don't get what's owed to me.
Can I think of even one instance of getting
something that really was owed to me?
That's a yes.
Then we're eliminating the never.
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Okay, I never get anything that's owed to
me, but still, life is often not fair, so
we make it something that's reasonable.
Most things work out in the end, and if it
doesn't, I'll figure it out.
Will this matter tomorrow?
That's challenging to believe.
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If you have trouble thinking of these, I
often say to think about your own values,
your own top values.
So one of my top values for parenting when
my kids are smaller is I wanted them to
trust me and feel like I am reliable, like
mommy always shows up, and so I was having
a problem leaving work on time.
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I'd get involved in writing notes or doing
some marketing or something, and it would
be like I gotta go pick up the kids from
school.
Oh my God, I'm going to be late.
And so I thought no, I don't want to be
late.
I want them to really believe that I will
be there on time and I am reliable, and so
I set my alarm differently.
The alarm wasn't go pick up the kids.
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The alarm became create trust in my
children, be reliable for my children.
That's what the alarm becomes.
It taps into your values when you're
challenging a belief.
There was a point of time in my life where
I really believed I was going to die early,
at like 53.
So when I passed the 53 birthday.
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It was a huge celebration, believe me,
because I had worked on this my whole life,
pretty much.
But there was still some lingering little
like maybe, maybe I will make it past 53.
But I had a father die at 53.
His dad had died at 53.
And so I got it set into my mind at 18,
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when my father died, that I'm going to die
at 53.
Okay, that's what I mean by significant
events that can form these beliefs.
So I had this negative belief going on and
it prevented me from doing all kinds of
things.
There's been times in my life when I've
thought about changing careers or buying a
huge purchase, like, let's say, a new car
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or something like that, and I would think
to myself, well, what's the point of that?
Like, I can hang in here.
I'm only going to be alive another 10 years
or something.
So it really truly formed my life like that.
Like maybe I shouldn't look for a new
partner after my divorce, I'm not going to
be around.
Well, finally, at one point I saw the
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psychic and I'd say I've only seen two
psychics in my whole life, so I'm not
someone who goes to psychics a lot, but
somehow I ended up with her and she looked
at me and she said, wow, like it's all over
you, all over your aura, that you really
believe this.
But, newsflash, you're not going to die at
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53.
And I cried.
I was like what I mean?
It was not relief, I was like, oh my God,
this is awful news.
Like this means I have to take
responsibility for my life.
Now I have to live it in a different way.
It was a high change event in my life and
she said to me I want you to start to
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notice people who are older in their you
know, 70s, 80s, who have their mind about
them, because part of my fear was like, oh,
I'll get Alzheimer's, like my mother did,
and you know, I don't want to grow old and
be out of my mind and have dementia.
She said that's not going to happen either,
and so you're going to start looking for
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examples of older people who are sharp as a
tack, live their life to the fullest, keep
doing things that they love to do, whether
they're working or not working.
And in doing that action it began to change
my own belief about aging, my own aging, my
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own responsibility in life.
So that's one way to do it right Now.
The book A Path Through the Jungle.
I don't think he recommends psychics enough
in his book.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
He recommends more changing this on the
cognitive level.
But we're choosing beliefs that we can hold
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on to.
So let's take that same example.
For me, Belief would be well, I might die
at 53, but I might as well live my life
well until then.
That would be a belief I could hold on to.
Let's say, that's in between versus like
you're not going to die, I'm not going to
die.
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I just, you know again, didn't completely
believe that until after my 53rd birthday.
Over time I've developed a whole list of
believable beliefs, autopilot support
statements that people can choose from.
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But they've got to choose one that is
helpful, that is believable to them, that
resonates with them even so, sometimes when
we're working on anxiety, they'll look down
this list and choose a support statement to
say to themselves when anxiety arises.
And one of them is it's okay to make
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mistakes, I can, can handle being wrong.
And one time someone read this one and then
she said, oh, I don't believe that at all,
I'm not gonna pick that one, okay.
I found it so amusing, so we kept moving on
down the list.
There's like 20 or something, until we
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found one that did resonate.
If you wanted to transform that one, it
might be.
It's not okay to make mistakes, but they
happen anyway sometimes.
I am human and they may happen anyway.
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That would be a compassionate one.
So we're not challenging that part that
says it's not okay to make mistakes.
No, we're working with it.
It's still not okay, but it still happens,
and so when it happens I can remind myself
that I'm human and I can hope that nothing
awful happens from one of my mistakes.
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You can see how these come If you have any
experience with anxiety or OCD,
particularly the thought-based ones and I
work with those.
You can really get yourself into a
conundrum here around support statements.
Part of the treatment for OCD in particular
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is actually not challenging those
statements that people don't believe
directly.
It's coming at them sideways and that's
what we're doing here too.
Let's say, I may not wash my hands as many
times as I need to, and maybe I get a
really bad disease and end up in the
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hospital If we could keep going with this
one.
We're just going to stop right there.
But I don't want OCD to control my life.
I want to feel a sense of freedom.
I want time back in my life to do other
things.
So I'm going to take the risk that I may
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get sick if I don't continue to wash my
hands.
Now, that's believable I can take the risk,
as believable to people and that's hard to
tolerate sometimes.
So we talk about distress, tolerance.
How do we tolerate it?
What do we say to ourselves to tolerate it?
What do we do?
Sometimes we have to get really active to
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tolerate it and to take our minds off of it.
People often think about, like the quiet
activities journaling, meditating,
breathing.
Those don't always work.
Okay, sometimes you have to get really
active working out, doing squats, taking a
run, going for a drive, calling a friend
and talking it out.
Those are more active and sometimes those
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are necessary, depending on the energy of
what's going on Now.
Sometimes a support statement can be
practical and other times it could be more
spiritual.
One of the spiritual items on my list is my
bad times are just lessons that my soul
chose to have.
In this physical experience.
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I always find ways to survive even the most
difficult circumstances.
That's a spiritual statement.
It can be a great comfort and a helpful
autopilot for someone who really needs it
in that moment.
Okay, if you want something to do at the
end of this podcast this week, today,
tomorrow, identify an unhelpful gremlin
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when it pops up and identify a helpful
autopilot as well.
Once you start doing that, you'll see them
all over the place in yourself, in other
other people, when they talk.
You'll start to notice them, and when the
unhelpful gremlin pops up or an unhelpful
goblin pops up, then see if you can find a
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helpful autopilot that replaces it.
Again, this isn't easy.
This is why people like me exist Because
it's not easy.
We all get stuck in our own thought pattern
sometimes and we can't think of an
alternate.
I see this all the time.
People freeze in front of me.
They really can't think of an alternate.
It's like okay, well, I have some prepared
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for just this situation.
Let's see if any of these fit for you.
Let's see if any of these are believable
enough for you to remind yourself when the
unhelpful gremlin or goblin pops up.
Or always a possibility let's see if we can
heal these with hypnosis.
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We'll go back to the time period that
created them and do some healing around
them.
All right, people.
Next week I'll talk about anxiety in terms
of the chimp model.
So I alluded to it some today, but I didn't
really cover the whole thing in terms of
how he covers it in A Path Through the
Jungle, so keep your ear out for that
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episode.
Okay, I hope you're healthy and safe, peace.
Hey everyone, dr Liz, here Today we're
talking about a book called A Path Through
the Jungle a psychological health and
well-being program to develop robustness
and resilience.
It's by Dr Steve Peters, professor Steve
Peters, p-e-t-e-r-s.
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This is a life-changing book and I actually
sought permission from him to talk
extensively about this book because at one
point I thought I would do a series on it,
like 10 episodes, okay, five episodes, a
whole new podcast, I don't know.
It really is probably one of the books
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that's changed my life the most and how I
think about anxiety, depression, plans, and
that's saying a lot to say that in my 50s,
when I studied psychology.
A lot to say that in my 50s, when I studied
psychology, change methods have read
hundreds of books in my life, taken
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professional workshops, all kinds of stuff
for the last well, more than 30 years,
because I started studying psychology
actually in high school.
I took a high school special program to
study psychology two hours a day and then
got a bachelor's in psychology, then a
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master's, a PhD, in clinical psychology.
So again, most of my life I have been
studying psychology.
So it's quite a statement to say this is a
life-changing book.
Just to let you know that, it was
recommended to me, by a client actually,
and I bought a paper copy of it.
There's a Kindle copy, but I highly suggest
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the paperback because it's not your typical
self-help book.
It is laid out almost like it's not a
boring textbook.
It's an exciting textbook Okay pictures,
graphics, little inlays.
It's amazing really.
So visually it kept me very interested.
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Now I will say I took my time reading it.
Normally a book of this size 300 something
pages I could get through it.
Normally a book of this size 300 something
pages I could get through.
I mean, if it's literature or fiction, I
finish it in two or three days.
If it's nonfiction, maybe a week or two,
maybe a month.
This one took me months to get through
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because I wanted to absorb the information
really well.
I'd go back and reread it, I would do some
of the exercises that he suggested in it
and I really wanted to get a good handle on
the material.
So I read it very slowly.
Actually Now I'm reading other books during
that time as well, not just this one.
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But I purposely slowed down for this one so
that I could learn the concepts really well.
So we're not just going to talk about it,
we're going to talk also about some of the
basic concepts in it that he presents.
Dr Peters, this is one of the times that I
wish the podcast was visual.
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You know a lot of people record the record
their podcasts and put it on YouTube and
all of that.
I don't tend to do that because, honestly,
that takes a much higher effort in terms of
makeup, cameras, lighting, all that stuff.
I have always been an audio-based podcast,
but I will try my best to describe the
handouts to you so that you get a visual
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picture of them as we go.
Here we go.
He starts with the basic concept of your
chimp versus your human.
The chimp is that feeling part of ourselves
that doesn't really think, and what the
chimp does is its job is to detect a
problem and then signal to us that there is
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a problem.
Okay, and usually that is through negative
emotions.
Now, negative emotions are not there to be
endured, despite what the Buddhists say.
Okay, we all have negative emotions.
Actually, we all have pain and suffering,
but they're not there to just simply be
endured.
They're actually there to prompt us to act
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in various ways, and really what they need
is converting into constructive action.
So often what they prompt us to do is not
very constructive.
Okay, act out, do things that are not good
for ourselves overeat, drink, addictions,
gambling, that type of thing Create drama,
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create conflict in our relationships.
Sometimes do things that aren't so safe for
us, like get in our car and drive really
fast or tune our loved ones out, ignore
good advice or people trying to help us.
There's all kinds of ways that it's not
constructive action when the negative
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emotions are there.
But ultimately, what the chimp is trying to
tell us is that, hey, there's a problem,
there's a problem, there's a problem, you
need to handle this.
But the chimp is emotional, it's reactive,
it's defensive, it can't plan, it's
impulsive, but it is trying to protect us
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and help us.
It's like a bad friend.
I say that is trying to be a friend to us,
trying to tell us something, be connected
to us, but isn't giving us very good advice,
sort of like the friend who says oh, don't
worry about you, know your health, go ahead
and eat the chocolate cake, it's okay, All
right.
So there's the chimp.
The chimp thrives on drives too.
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We all have basic human drives.
An example of some drives are the drive for
power, sex partnership.
The drive for security is very, very high
in us humans Security in terms of food and
shelter.
People do all kinds of things to get it.
Territory is a basic drive.
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Troop, herd, a sense of belonging is a big
drive for a lot, a lot of people.
Again, people vary on how strong these
drives are in them.
Another one is dominance, which is ego
drive.
That's an ego-driven drive.
Sometimes it's parental.
A nurturing drive comes up.
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Often it's mental stimulation,
inquisitiveness.
That's a basic human drive to be curious
about what's around us and how to
understand what's around us.
Now, why do we all have these drives?
To keep us safe.
That's it To keep the species going.
That's it To keep us all surviving and
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hopefully to keep us safe again.
So remember that the chimp thrives on
drives and when a drive is being threatened
it will send us some negative emotions,
detect a problem and signal us with the
negative emotions.
I had a neighbor in South Florida who had a
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very strong territory drive.
So I lived in a townhouse and there were
two parking spaces in front of mine and two
parking spaces in front of hers and when I
first moved in her mom was still driving,
but her mom aged, and then they only had
one car but she would park her car sort of
like kitty-cornered, you know crooked, so
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that she took up both of those parking
spaces.
You know crooked, so that she took up both
of those parking spaces.
And even if she didn't do that, if, let's
say, a repair person came to my house and
happened to park in her space because it's
right there in front of my house too, she
would go ballistic, okay.
And she said I had to ask permission, and
you know that's disrespectful and you know
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all this stuff, and you know that's
disrespectful and you know all this stuff.
So I learned pretty quickly she had
extremely high territory drive and as long
as I realized that and as permission, she
was fine.
But boy, if it ever got violated, even by
accident, I didn't tell people to park
there.
You know they just show up and park
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wherever right and they'll park as close to
your house as they can get, regardless of
whether it's marked a guest spot or not.
But even if it was by accident, it was.
You know she blamed me right, it was my
fault.
So once you know someone's drives, you can
choose how to address them drives.
You can choose how to address them.
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Now, luckily, I don't like a whole lot of
conflict, so I didn't do stuff on purpose
to piss her off.
Basically, I could see how you hear stories
about neighbors getting into wars like that,
and that's because of things like that that
maybe they're not conflict averse or they
really don't care about the other person,
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or their drive for power is higher than
their drive for security Because, honestly,
a more friendly relationship with your
neighbor, it gives you a bigger sense of
security.
You don't have to be scared of them.
They're going to do something to your
property.
So all these drives come into play
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different ways.
That's just an example of one of them.
So the chimp thrives on drives.
We all have drives.
The chimp sends us a message until we pay
attention.
That's it.
The chimp sends messages until we pay
attention.
That's it.
The chimp sends messages until we pay
attention.
So it'll continue to make things
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uncomfortable for us until we pay attention.
We have a human part.
The job of the human part is to find a
solution and reassure the chimp.
Okay, the human part is thoughtful,
rational, able to pause, problem solve.
It's time focused, it makes decisions, it
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makes plans.
It is trying to protect us just like the
chimp is and help us.
But it's more like a helpful friend who
says you know your health is really
important, but that chocolate cake is no
big deal.
Let's go take a walk after dinner.
Okay, that's the human side.
Now, remember, I didn't name these.
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It says Peters who named them, but I just
think that they are laid out clearly and it
just intuitively makes sense to me like
this.
Now, the other thing that informs our human
is our programming.
He calls it what's in your computer.
I would say what's in your subconscious
mind, sometimes what's in your conscious
mind too, because our programming gives
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information to our human.
The chimp gives information to our human.
So imagine this little triangle going on
and both arrows are pointing to the human,
trying to give it information so that it
can find a solution and then reassure the
chimp.
Now we have different types of programming
or subconscious beliefs.
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The first type is helpful autopilots, and
these are things that are like they sound.
Autopilots are automatic in us and they pop
up when we need some help.
A helpful autopilot is like I can only do
my best.
I can make a plan and start small.
I have a choice about who I want to be and
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how I am in the world, how I want to
interact.
Something may happen unexpectedly and a
helpful autopilot could pop up and say, oh,
I can handle whatever happens, I can sort
it out, I'm capable of going with the flow
would be a helpful autopilot.
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When necessary, I make plans.
I generally stick to them, but I'm able to
adjust if they need adjusting would be a
helpful autopilot.
So it's things like this and people have
their own individual ones.
I have heard lots and lots of good, helpful
autopilots over my years presenting this
information.
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Also just listening autopilots over my
years presenting this information.
Also just listening, when you listen to
someone talk, when you really listen deeply,
you will hear helpful autopilots pop up.
Helpful autopilot is the serenity prayer.
Higher power, grant me the serenity to
accept the things I cannot change, courage
to change the things I can, and wisdom to
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know the difference.
That's a helpful autopilot.
I mean you can imagine someone in recovery
saying that let's say every day for 90 days
at the beginning of the recovery, but for
years and years and years.
It's repeated so much it's applied to
different situations becomes a helpful
autopilot.
Some prayers become helpful autopilot.
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So prayers that are set in different
religious faiths become helpful autopilots.
There's the prayer of Saint Francis, which
if you're familiar with Sarah McLoughlin,
she did a beautiful musical version of that
prayer.
This can become a helpful autopilot.
It was one for me when I was going through
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a really difficult time at one point, right
before I entered recovery myself.
And it says Lord, make me an instrument of
your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon when there is
doubt, faith when there is despair, hope
when there is doubt, faith where there is
despair, hope where there is darkness,
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light where there is sadness, joy.
And then there's a second one I'm going to
read to you, so if you don't want to hear
it, you can, you know, hit that fast
forward button on your podcast.
Oh divine master, grant that I may not so
much seek to be consoled as to console, to
be understood as to understand, to be loved
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as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive, it is
in pardoning that we are pardoned and it is
in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Now, I don't believe in the patriarchal God,
let's say.
I have my own, what I call freaky, deaky
higher power.
But this was a great comfort to me.
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It helped guide my behavior at a time when
I felt very out of control.
But that is what I would call a helpful
autopilot that I drew strength from.
Okay, so helpful autopilot.
Same form are human when the chimp's
sending a message and freaking out and
saying, oh my god, what do we do?
What do we do?
There's a problem.
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What else informs our human?
Next level is unhelpful gremlins.
Unhelpful are destructive, automatic
behaviors or beliefs, but they are more
changeable than the third level, which is
goblins.
These are the same as griblins but they're
more resistant to being removed, and
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goblins often stem from childhood or
traumatic experiences like I'm not safe,
I'm never safe, I'm worthless.
That's an unhelpful goblin.
I don't deserve a good life or to be loved
by a good person.
I fail at whatever I try to do.
I'm not as good as everybody else.
Those are the level of a goblin Gremlin
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would be.
Mistakes are not okay, but I make them
sometimes.
I have to win.
It's best to win.
I feel bad if I don't.
But you don't go to the level of saying I'm
a loser if I don't win.
The helpful autopilot there would be.
I tried my best and you don't always win.
Even when you try your best, it's all too
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much, I'm unable to cope.
That would be unhelpful gremlins.
If you take it to the level of I'm unable
to cope and unable to reach out for help.
No one's ever going to help me or want to
help me, because I'm worthless.
And you're entering the territory of the
goblin, okay.
So gremlins and goblins right, worse to be
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a goblin than a gremlin.
Now, his book is about changing these
unhelpful gremlins and goblins recognizing
them first, of course, then changing them
and changing them in various ways.
Now, I'm a hypnosis specialist, so here
comes hypnosis for you.
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Personally and professionally, I believe
that hypnosis is a way to change those
unhelpful goblins and gremlins.
Sometimes these core beliefs get
established in childhood, sometimes it's
adolescence, sometimes, if it's due to
trauma, it's in adulthood even, and then
our subconscious mind just latches onto
them and gathers evidence for them and
lives our life as if they're true, instead
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of really combating them.
And sometimes this has to do with parenting,
but sometimes it's teachers, siblings
something random that happens friends that
can instill these really negative deep
beliefs in us.
Deep beliefs in us and the power of
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hypnosis to heal and change.
That is just incredible.
That's what I've seen over the years, after
I became trained in the technique to do
exactly that, and you've heard me talk
about it on the podcast before.
It's called core healing.
Because we're healing core beliefs, we're
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healing these unhelpful goblins that make
us do stuff we don't want to do or sabotage
us or make us feel bad about ourselves.
These are all goblins that come up and do
that.
Now, the task here is to replace the
unhelpful gremlins and goblins, the
negative beliefs.
To replace the unhelpful gremlins and
goblins, the negative beliefs, with helpful
autopilots To install that when negative
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emotion comes up.
It is a catalyst for change.
It's just a signal for us to do something.
It's neither positive or negative, actually
okay, but it's just simply a signal for us.
It's a flag hey, something's going on, you
need to handle it.
You need to take a signal for us.
It's a flag hey, something's going on, you
need to handle it, you need to take a look
at it.
You need to change something here or
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something needs to change.
Sometimes we're not always in the power
position to change something that's causing
us distress, but we can absolutely change
what we're doing with that distress.
You've heard me say this before.
I do not think that it is all about thought
change.
I know that is odd, coming from a cognitive
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behavioral therapist.
Most CBT therapists, a lot of coaches these
days, think it's all about thoughts,
thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.
I don't believe that.
I think that people, events, outside forces
affect us, some of us more deeply than
others, and that depends on your own
sensitivity level, and we don't always
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control that Like, yes, we are affected by
the world we live in, but where I do agree
with them is all right.
Let's recognize that.
Let's recognize what we can control, what
we can change and what we can handle and
work on releasing the pain and suffering
around things that we can't.
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That would be a helpful autopilot.
I can't change everything, but I can work
on releasing the suffering so that I am
able to move forward in my life, to live
with a greater sense of ease.
All right, so how do we do this?
We say what's the emotion, feeling being
expressed?
Why did the chimp send this message?
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What constructive action do we convert the
feeling into?
Or what belief do I have to challenge and
replace?
Now, if we choose a constructive action, we
need to celebrate we've completed the
action, because chimps like bananas is what
Peter says and I do too.
Most of us humans react very well to reward,
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even if it's very small.
There's all kinds of ways to celebrate and
I always say look for creative ways that
don't cost money to celebrate.
Sometimes it's like, all right, taking a
walk.
For me, it's often okay, I'll do this task
and then I'll get to exercise.
It's a wonderful way to celebrate.
For me, I mean a cup of tea, taking a drive
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somewhere you want to go, calling a friend.
Sometimes it is larger for doing really
major stuff, we have a bigger celebration.
We naturally do this in our lives.
When someone graduates high school or
college or, in the US, eighth grade or
kindergarten or fifth grade too, we have a
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celebration.
We have a graduation for them.
My daughter even had a preschool graduation,
which was super cute, let me tell you, so
cute.
I definitely miss those days.
I was a parent who, like, cried during all
of those.
The kids are so cute, so we naturally do
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this.
So when you're thinking about oh my gosh, I
chose a constructive action instead of a
destructive action Wonderful, how am I
going to celebrate Now if you're
challenging a belief?
The task there is to choose a simple truth
that resonates with you and helps.
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Now, this is harder than it sounds.
I learned pretty early on through my
hypnosis training that the reason that
affirmations don't always work, you know
because when we're going along here and
you're thinking is that just an affirmation,
a helpful autopilot?
No, it's not.
It's really not, because affirmations don't
work.
If you really don't believe them, your
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subconscious mind will come in and be like
you don't really believe that.
We're not doing that, that's never going to
happen, okay.
But this is sometimes why people get
disappointed by manifesting.
But they're like but I've been manifesting,
I've been writing it down and all this
stuff.
Do you really believe that this is possible
for you?
Because if you don't, that's what's
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happening.
We've got to take some baby steps here and
get there step by step.
We've got to do something.
You believe that is possible for you to get
to this other result.
So let me give you some examples of this
simple belief life is not fair.
That's a simple belief that can resonate
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with you.
If you're challenging a belief a gremlin
could come up of oh my God, I never get
what's owed to me.
It's like, yeah, life is not fair and I
sometimes don't get what's owed to me.
Can I think of even one instance of getting
something that really was owed to me?
That's a yes.
Then we're eliminating the never.
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Okay, I never get anything that's owed to
me, but still, life is often not fair, so
we make it something that's reasonable.
Most things work out in the end, and if it
doesn't, I'll figure it out.
Will this matter tomorrow?
That's challenging to believe.
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If you have trouble thinking of these, I
often say to think about your own values,
your own top values.
So one of my top values for parenting when
my kids are smaller is I wanted them to
trust me and feel like I am reliable, like
mommy always shows up, and so I was having
a problem leaving work on time.
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I'd get involved in writing notes or doing
some marketing or something, and it would
be like I gotta go pick up the kids from
school.
Oh my God, I'm going to be late.
And so I thought no, I don't want to be
late.
I want them to really believe that I will
be there on time and I am reliable, and so
I set my alarm differently.
The alarm wasn't go pick up the kids.
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The alarm became create trust in my
children, be reliable for my children.
That's what the alarm becomes.
It taps into your values when you're
challenging a belief.
There was a point of time in my life where
I really believed I was going to die early,
at like 53.
So when I passed the 53 birthday.
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It was a huge celebration, believe me,
because I had worked on this my whole life,
pretty much.
But there was still some lingering little
like maybe, maybe I will make it past 53.
But I had a father die at 53.
His dad had died at 53.
And so I got it set into my mind at 18,
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when my father died, that I'm going to die
at 53.
Okay, that's what I mean by significant
events that can form these beliefs.
So I had this negative belief going on and
it prevented me from doing all kinds of
things.
There's been times in my life when I've
thought about changing careers or buying a
huge purchase, like, let's say, a new car
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or something like that, and I would think
to myself, well, what's the point of that?
Like, I can hang in here.
I'm only going to be alive another 10 years
or something.
So it really truly formed my life like that.
Like maybe I shouldn't look for a new
partner after my divorce, I'm not going to
be around.
Well, finally, at one point I saw the
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psychic and I'd say I've only seen two
psychics in my whole life, so I'm not
someone who goes to psychics a lot, but
somehow I ended up with her and she looked
at me and she said, wow, like it's all over
you, all over your aura, that you really
believe this.
But, newsflash, you're not going to die at
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53.
And I cried.
I was like what I mean?
It was not relief, I was like, oh my God,
this is awful news.
Like this means I have to take
responsibility for my life.
Now I have to live it in a different way.
It was a high change event in my life and
she said to me I want you to start to
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notice people who are older in their you
know, 70s, 80s, who have their mind about
them, because part of my fear was like, oh,
I'll get Alzheimer's, like my mother did,
and you know, I don't want to grow old and
be out of my mind and have dementia.
She said that's not going to happen either,
and so you're going to start looking for
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examples of older people who are sharp as a
tack, live their life to the fullest, keep
doing things that they love to do, whether
they're working or not working.
And in doing that action it began to change
my own belief about aging, my own aging, my
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own responsibility in life.
So that's one way to do it right Now.
The book A Path Through the Jungle.
I don't think he recommends psychics enough
in his book.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
He recommends more changing this on the
cognitive level.
But we're choosing beliefs that we can hold
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on to.
So let's take that same example.
For me, Belief would be well, I might die
at 53, but I might as well live my life
well until then.
That would be a belief I could hold on to.
Let's say, that's in between versus like
you're not going to die, I'm not going to
die.
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I just, you know again, didn't completely
believe that until after my 53rd birthday.
Over time I've developed a whole list of
believable beliefs, autopilot support
statements that people can choose from.
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But they've got to choose one that is
helpful, that is believable to them, that
resonates with them even so, sometimes when
we're working on anxiety, they'll look down
this list and choose a support statement to
say to themselves when anxiety arises.
And one of them is it's okay to make
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mistakes, I can, can handle being wrong.
And one time someone read this one and then
she said, oh, I don't believe that at all,
I'm not gonna pick that one, okay.
I found it so amusing, so we kept moving on
down the list.
There's like 20 or something, until we
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found one that did resonate.
If you wanted to transform that one, it
might be.
It's not okay to make mistakes, but they
happen anyway sometimes.
I am human and they may happen anyway.
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That would be a compassionate one.
So we're not challenging that part that
says it's not okay to make mistakes.
No, we're working with it.
It's still not okay, but it still happens,
and so when it happens I can remind myself
that I'm human and I can hope that nothing
awful happens from one of my mistakes.
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You can see how these come If you have any
experience with anxiety or OCD,
particularly the thought-based ones and I
work with those.
You can really get yourself into a
conundrum here around support statements.
Part of the treatment for OCD in particular
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is actually not challenging those
statements that people don't believe
directly.
It's coming at them sideways and that's
what we're doing here too.
Let's say, I may not wash my hands as many
times as I need to, and maybe I get a
really bad disease and end up in the
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hospital If we could keep going with this
one.
We're just going to stop right there.
But I don't want OCD to control my life.
I want to feel a sense of freedom.
I want time back in my life to do other
things.
So I'm going to take the risk that I may
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get sick if I don't continue to wash my
hands.
Now, that's believable I can take the risk,
as believable to people and that's hard to
tolerate sometimes.
So we talk about distress, tolerance.
How do we tolerate it?
What do we say to ourselves to tolerate it?
What do we do?
Sometimes we have to get really active to
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tolerate it and to take our minds off of it.
People often think about, like the quiet
activities journaling, meditating,
breathing.
Those don't always work.
Okay, sometimes you have to get really
active working out, doing squats, taking a
run, going for a drive, calling a friend
and talking it out.
Those are more active and sometimes those
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are necessary, depending on the energy of
what's going on Now.
Sometimes a support statement can be
practical and other times it could be more
spiritual.
One of the spiritual items on my list is my
bad times are just lessons that my soul
chose to have.
In this physical experience.
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I always find ways to survive even the most
difficult circumstances.
That's a spiritual statement.
It can be a great comfort and a helpful
autopilot for someone who really needs it
in that moment.
Okay, if you want something to do at the
end of this podcast this week, today,
tomorrow, identify an unhelpful gremlin
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when it pops up and identify a helpful
autopilot as well.
Once you start doing that, you'll see them
all over the place in yourself, in other
other people, when they talk.
You'll start to notice them, and when the
unhelpful gremlin pops up or an unhelpful
goblin pops up, then see if you can find a
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helpful autopilot that replaces it.
Again, this isn't easy.
This is why people like me exist Because
it's not easy.
We all get stuck in our own thought pattern
sometimes and we can't think of an
alternate.
I see this all the time.
People freeze in front of me.
They really can't think of an alternate.
It's like okay, well, I have some prepared
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for just this situation.
Let's see if any of these fit for you.
Let's see if any of these are believable
enough for you to remind yourself when the
unhelpful gremlin or goblin pops up.
Or always a possibility let's see if we can
heal these with hypnosis.
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We'll go back to the time period that
created them and do some healing around
them.
All right, people.
Next week I'll talk about anxiety in terms
of the chimp model.
So I alluded to it some today, but I didn't
really cover the whole thing in terms of
how he covers it in A Path Through the
Jungle, so keep your ear out for that
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episode.
Okay, I hope you're healthy and safe, peace.
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