The Truth About Vaginas: Dr. Sule Breaks Down Myths, Safety & Intimate Wellness | For Mannerless Women - Legally Clueless

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to for Manalist Women. I'm your host Adela on Jango,
and this is a space that is committed to naturing
a new generation of shamee free women who are ready
to meet their best self. And in this episode, we
are unpacking the vagina with doctor Soule, who is a
general and cosmetic gynecologist. I am so excited to finally

(00:31):
have you on the show. I think you've been on
the top of my mind since we began for Manalist Women,
because in the conversations about women owning their bodies, we
have to talk about the body pods that are tumbled
to be spoken about. And I love how you tackle

(00:52):
misinformation disinformation on your social media.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I love everything you're doing with a Laura, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So I'm giving your flowers before we begin, and thank
you for making time to be on the show with us.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Having yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, I want this episode to really be a deep
dive into vaginas and I'm so excited because I just
feel like in my thirties is when I started being like,
hang on, there's no shame around this.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
There's no shame even around the world, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
And so a good place to start is, what are
some things that fascinate you or.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know, you're always like wow when.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You think about vaginas in just their being, is it
something they're able to do that people don't talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is it the nerves? And like, what's something that's fascinating
around vaginas?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I mean everything, which is I mean the reason why
I became againacologist to begin with. But really it is
truly fascinating. I think firstly, most of the women or
actually most people confused vagina and volven use that interchangeably,
so even just to understand what vulva is and what
vagina is because everybody, yeah, everybody calls it vagina, Yeah,

(02:08):
when they're referring to the valva, so which is basically
the valve, is the external genitalia, the lebia majora, the
labia minora, the entrance of the vagina, and then now
there's the actual vagina itself, which is a muscular tube.
But I think yes, one of the things that you
valuded to that's really interesting is the number of nerves,
like millions of nerves in that Gritorius, Like truly, probably

(02:31):
no other body part with that many nerves, you know,
So that's really fascinating the fact that it's a self
cleansing organ, which I love to tell women about, Like,
this is not like your mouth where you have to
brush your teeth and your tongue because you eat food
and now the gun has to come up. This is
nothing like that, literally self cleansing organ. So I think
that's really fascinating and of course alludes to how women

(02:53):
take care of their you know, the feminine hygiene.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
The other thing that really interests me, just fun fact
is the rugi. Okay, so the vagina is actually ribbed.
It's a ribbed organ. So it has like pharrows, yeah, right,
all along, and then as you get older and towards menopaus,
those farrows decrease. They get less and less, and they
thin out, and the blood supply to the vagina decreases

(03:19):
and the nerve endings kind of lose sensitivity and the
gland stop producing as much lubrication. So I always say
that if someone showed me a picture of the vagina,
I would always know whether this is a young woman
or an old woman just by how it looks, because
of how it changes, like it becomes you know, thinner, less,
pink less, rugge, almost flat, and actually that's one of

(03:42):
the ways in which you know, cosmetic and ecology comes
into the picture because we're trying to reverse all of that. Yea,
So I think that's a really fun that is interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
So like you could look and tell someone.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
That definitely look and tell that this is you know,
someone in menopause or someone not in menopause for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love how you light up, and it means that
you are doing the work that you truly are passionate
about and that's why you do it so well. And
so maybe we can tap into like now that we
understand what the external and sometimes we use you know,
wrong baby interchange valve of vagina. One thing that I

(04:19):
always used to find fascinating with my late mom, we
used to do a lot of breast cancer awareness and
even things around your breast because they so much shame.
Women would come when the lamp has progressed into something
else and they didn't even catch the lamp or any
dimpling or any change because they actually don't know how

(04:42):
their breasts look like. They don't touch them, they don't
there's a shame around it. And I and that's breasts
vaginas have I think another layer of shame.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
As well, so we don't know what's normal.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
And because we don't know what's normal, we don't know
when maybe something we could have caught something earlier.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right, So what's normal what's not?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, it's a really interesting question, and I totally agree
with you. And I always like to refer back to
the breast as well. You know, when you know what's normal,
then you know what's not not exactly. I have a lecturer, actually,
Professor an Kiharash is the president of FIGO, and when
she was my lecturer, she used to say that the
reason women get valve or cancer is because they never
use a mirror. She always used to say that, and

(05:30):
the reason is because you never look at what it's,
what it was where younger, what it is when you're older,
what it's becoming, what's off? You know, And it's perfectly
fine to say I think this is off, and then
you know, see your doctor and we go like, no,
that's actually normal. That's perfectly fine. But actually if you
never look and you never use a mirror, you will
never know. So in terms of what's normal and what's abnormal,

(05:51):
especially in the outer appearance, we basically have you know,
the valva, and then we have the vagina. Sometimes women
can't tell even when there's something off inside. You know,
you've felt it or your partner felt it, or something
was off, you know. But there's a lot of variation
in actually what's normal, and maybe that's the thing that

(06:11):
confuses women. You know, we have variation in size, we
have variation in color. We have variation, you know, in texture,
and by size I mean both, you know, Libya Majora
and Libya minora. Some women will have like a slit
like liberal minora. Some women will have like a flower
petal kind of libyal minora. And they'll think, you know,
because mine is like this, then the slit like is

(06:31):
abnormal or the other one is up there. There's variation
in color. For a lot of women. After breastfeeding, they
get a lot of hyper pigmentation, so then it gets
darker or even through certain medications or through certain hygiene practices,
it gets darker, and then they think that that's actually okay.
But maybe the medication you're taking is causing this, and
maybe you need to go off that medication. So there's

(06:54):
a lot of variety. I usually like to tell women
that there isn't quite normal and abnormal, So to speak,
if everything is okay. Of course, if you have like
a blister, you know, if you have a wound, if
you have something eaching, if you have a rash, if
you have something that's past is coming out, that's obviously abnormal.
If there's pain, of course, all of that is abnormal.

(07:15):
But on a regular day, when nothing is going on,
what's normal and abnormal is actually defined by you, and.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's what you exactly what was the baseline of normally Exactly, it's.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Defined by you. What feels comfortable, what is now uncomfortable.
You're the one to actually walk to a doctor's office
and say, you know what, before I used to have
better lubrication, that it feels kind of yeah, because nobody
will know that for you, truly, it's only you. So
I usually say normal and abnormal is basically the comfort
level that you have and the esthetic. Things could be

(07:47):
perfectly okay and nothing happened, but you just don't like
the way it looks anymore, maybe after having a baby change,
and that's perfectly normal to say, you know what, I
don't like the way it looks right now. So for me,
I really go by what my patients are saying, unless
of course there's an obvious pathology, you know, for example,
if you have happies, it's gonna be there. I can
see it, you can see it. It's truly abnormal and

(08:08):
we have to treat it. But on a regular day,
when everything is normal, ask you, how do you feel,
you know, if, for example, there's an abnormality in your
sexual function. So for example, some women will have babies
or they go into menopause and the libya minoral will
get really long, to the point that they're unable to
have sex comfortably or unable to do their daily activities normally.
They can't walk, they can't run, they get chafing, they

(08:30):
get rubbing against the libyas. That's not normally because now
you cannot do your regular activities. So the scope of
normal is so very wide that truly, I say, it's
for you to say today this does not feel okay,
or today this doesn't look okay. You've heard of the
world of volvers, oh, yes, like in.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
The exactly, So there's so many types. I think I
heard of it from your page, yes.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, yeah, one of my followers actually posted it. Well,
and that actually never I've never actually physically in many
pictures and when you see the number of variations, it
can be confusing. There's like forty variations and then you say, okay,
where do I fit in what's normal? And sometimes you
probably won't even fit in, So what's normal for me
again is defined by you.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, And you know what is so sad is that
I think maybe we have been trained to think that
our valve needs to look one part way away, you know,
and if some if it doesn't, then you don't even
speak up because you're like, something is wrong, absolutely, and
now just keep it to myself.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But that wall, I saw it on your pages, like
over they're fat.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
There's so many different types, so some countries have more
than others. And I think partly one of the reasons
where the confusion comes in is also because when we're
when we're raised, nobody really tells us about what anatomy
looks like, you know, like what is it supposed to
look like? You just kind of grow up and then
you look down there one day and yeah, you know,

(09:54):
this is how this one looks like. You know, and
also nobody gives you the right nomenclature. Nobody tells you know,
this is the gluitarists, this is the lebya of nobody
tells you any of.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
That because of the shame, because of the same about
and the.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Shame is cultural, it's religious. Sometimes it's just upbringing. You know,
it's something to be hidden, not talked about. It's shameful.
You shouldn't talk about it before you're married, you shouldn't
talk about it after. You shouldn't talk about it when
you're old. You shouldn't talk about it when you're a child.
Like it's at what point did you actually, you know,
get permission to talk about it?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
And in one spaces it's almost like if you talk
about vaginas, what we're talking about is sex, and I'm like,
this is not synonymous. It's some synonymous shape. This is
so intriguing to me. And before we move into because
you know, I really want to understand more about cosmetic guynacology,
which is you're one.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Of two in Kenya doing this.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
With the mirror, so that the woman watching can probably
try this today.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
How how should I do? What should I do with
the mirror?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
So I mean, really it's a very personal thing women.
You know, sometimes you want to go after a shower
and you're very comfortable. Some practitioners say, put the mirror
on the floor and then stand with their legs are
part and just have a look at the mirror and see,
you know, what's going on. Some people prefer to do
it when they're laying down. Some people prefer to it's
just kind of like tampon in such. Yeah, there's different
ways to do it. And Pele prefer to put a

(11:22):
leg on a bed or a toilet it or whatever
and just have a look and see and just you know,
kind of take mental notes or what it looks like today,
what it looked like before, what seems to have changed.
You know, is there once again, just like the breast,
is there any rash? Is there? Any redness? Is there
any discharge that's off? Is there anything growing that you
don't like? Is there any pigmentation that's off? Is there

(11:42):
any dimpling? Is there? And you know, truly it's a
variety of things. And because I don't expect my clients
to be a doctor, anything that seems off, you can
literally just come and say this is off to me.
I'll be like, oh, that's actually perfectly normal. I get
patients a lot who come with probably pieces of the
hymen that have remained, and they just don't disappear over time,

(12:04):
and they're like, I'm not gonna something hanging out to
me Vigi, and I'm like, no, that's just your hymen.
It just never disappeared with time, you know. So truly
it's just about making a pattern, making a pattern of
what was normal, you know is normal, and what now
just seems getting reassurance from your obiguan is perfectly Yeah,

(12:24):
it's perfectly normal. It's perfectly okay to be told, actually
there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And I think it was.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's you're exercising that muscle of agency in your body,
knowing right, and then when you're you know, you come
and see doctor sulan. She says, no, this is normal
because you've added more more information to what you knew,
what you didn't know before. Okay, So now let's get
to this thing that I'm completely green on, right, which

(12:53):
is cosmetic gynecology.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Because you are a cosmetic gynecologist, so what is the same.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
So a cosmetic gynecologists is basically a gynecologist who deals
with female sexual dysfunction and aesthetic appearance of the valv
and the vagina. So basically, what we, in simple terms,
need to do is to make sure that your intimate
wellness is okay, your sex life is fine, you're comfortable,
you're pain free, and then also optimizing that, you know,

(13:23):
being able to, for example, make love endings more sensitive,
being able to help you lubricate better, being able to
give you tightness. So everything that concerns sexual and reproductive function,
but also esthetics. We do, you know, things like Libya plastics,
Vagina plastics, c literoroplastis want to make your valver look

(13:46):
closest to what is acceptable to you. You know, we
do FGM reconstruction, you know, for people who've been mutilated.
We do want to restore function, but we also want
to restore esthetic, you know, and you don't actually have
to have a gune mutilation. You can actually wake up
in the morning and say, I don't like the way
this looks. I need to change, either change because of
aging or change because of child bearing. Because of those

(14:09):
are the two major things that do change the appearance
of our volver, either aging or child bearing, you know.
So basically our work is to restore sexual function and
also to improve esthetic appearance. So to be a cosmetic gynecologist,
well you have to be a doctor yeaest. And the
reason I like to emphasize this is because a lot
of people are getting a lot of what we call
cosmetic gynecologist services in spas, in places that you'll get in,

(14:34):
you know, like say from a beautician. I have nothing
against beauticians, but you're not a cosmetic gynecologist, yes, And
I think it's important to be clear with your clients,
you know, So first you have to be a doctor,
then you have to be a gynecologist. There you have
to be a cosmetic gynecologist. So if you're not a doctor,
you can never be a cosmetic gynecologist. If you're not
a gynecologist, you can never be a cosmetic gynecologists. Cosmetic

(14:57):
gynecologists are obedui ns with some specialized in cosmetic and ecology. Now,
the thing about cosmetic and ecology, there's no one main
course around the world. It's different procedures that we split
into different courses, and then we travel all over the
world learning from the best experts. So there's an expert
in vaginal surgery, for example, virginal plastic somewhere, then you

(15:19):
go and you learn under him, and then they give
you certification and then you become an expert in that field,
these experts in PRP plate litterachy plasma treatment, these experts
in FGM reconstruction, these experts in Libya plastic and so
it's very many courses that we split down, we break
them down. We go and meet the highest expert level
and they train us like by hand, they hold your

(15:41):
hand and they tell you this is how you do it.
And many people feel like, oh, this is really easy.
And women give bath all the time. They get tears
and I can just you know, whip it all up
and they can just repair and it's going to be fine. Like, no,
these are three four hour procedures. These are precision. We
use suitures that sometimes we can barely see with our
own eyes. We need like a loop because there's so fine,
it's such delicate, precise work. It's like you have to

(16:04):
have a very symmetric eye. You have to love symmetry.
Like for me, I can look at evolve and tell
by millimiters what's off in terms of symmetry, Like I
don't need a ruler. I don't need anything because it's
something that you do over and over and over again
and exactly, and your eye becomes very trained in symmetry.
Very trained, your hands become you get muscle memory of
fine work. So it's not just something simple. It's something

(16:26):
that people train very long to do. And the reason
why I like to emphasize the process is because it's
important for you if you choose to get into cosmetic
gynecology as a patient, to know who your provider is.
You need to be able to get into for example,
the KPDC registrancy. Okay, this is actually a doctor. Let's
just start there and then you can see Okay, this
is actually a kaynecologist. Okay, this is someone who's trained.

(16:48):
So they'll give you all their certificates and all the
work that they've done. So for me, mine is like
from Dubai and Poland, so happy to give those. They'll
show you the before and afters of the work that
they've done. Like it's a really important process. Just like
plus surgery. You can't just you know, like jump into it.
You can't be a cosmetic gynecologists and be something else.
You know, you can be a gynecologist, meaning so I
deliver patients, I take care of their pregnancies, I take

(17:10):
care of their babies, I take your fibroids of gynecological
cancer and all that. But at the same time, my
specialty is cosmetic gynecology. So you cannot, for example, be
a cosmetic gynecologist and also be a pediatrician. Yeah, you
can only be a gynecologist and a cosmetic dynecologist. So
you still do your basic obedu and stuff, and then
that's your sub specialization. So for example, if you're a

(17:33):
fertility specialist, there's the basic obeduan and then now you
specialize in fertility and so that's basically what cosmetic gynecologists
gynecologists do and what it actually is.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
This forst and foremost congratulations because this is a lot
of work. Is like in a lot of time put
into trading, there's only two of you.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yes, yes, there's there's some undertraining yet you know, mostly
it's because it's not a specified registered field in Kenya.
So the two of us do really try to push
forward and to see how we can get it registered
so that it's a sub specialization that's recognized by the board.
But right now we do practice it because the demand
is there, we are trained in it, it's available and

(18:15):
you know, very well established in other countries. So that's
how we do it, right now and can of course
we're wanting to train more.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And can I just say thank you
for I think you gave me, which I think is
always a gift when you give someone the gift of
unlearning something.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
So the first time we ever met, we.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Did an Instagram live about handful practice that we're going
to get to. But even in terms of talking about
cosmetic guynecology, I think I had a very shame informed
view of like why.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Would you want to change anything? What are you doing?
And like all of these things.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, and I really had to unlearn and say, not
only is it necessary in moments of maybe a trauma
informed moment, a FGM situation or something that went on
during pregnancy, but a woman should have the agency to
say this is the aesthetic I want exactly, you know

(19:19):
what I mean, and have a space that is safe
and inform part to get it.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
And I really had to be like why do I
think like this? What am I think? It's that shame
you carry on like don't touch the bacha?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
What are you doing? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I just actually want to thank you because that
and learning helped me be like, oh yeah, that speaks
to agency right, But we talked on harmful practices, right,
it kind of follows us whenever we're having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I've heard of two that we're just treated.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I think once I knew how powerful my vagina, I'm like, please,
I'm not going to put anything in or around that
is strange, because like this thing is powferable.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Why am I interfering with? Like how wonderful it's moving?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
The first one was I remember seeing a visual of
a woman standing over a burner and it's like, oh,
we're steeming it so that the vagina smells good, and.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was just like, what is going on? That was
the first one I saw.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
The second one was one of my female friends said, oh, yeah,
you know, I've been thinking of going for a vajay
shaw and I remember being like what is that and
she's like, oh, it's like a facial be for your vagina,
And I was like, so why I don't understand because
questions when I was thinking about when I go for
a facial, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Pretty rigorous, right, and there's a reason and there's a.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Reason, and even then I was just like, wait, but
why what is happening and for who? Who wants this
vagina to look at a certain way that you're falling
over backwards to please. And so what are some of
the harmful practices that we're doing outside of budga shows?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And like the steaming.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's called seeming. It's costuming, it's called seeming. Yeah, Well,
before I even get into.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
The practices, I think the why, the why is really important. Right,
there has been a reason why you're okay, theological person,
that's the reason why you're doing something right. And so
a lot of women suffer from real problems. Honestly, I'm
not going to discount the reason that takes them to
those practices, because women experience things like laxity. Right, so,

(21:42):
after child bearing or even with age, you get that
this looseness in the vagina. You know, you don't it
doesn't feel the same, and it's real, and many women
don't know how to express it. They don't even know
how to bring it up with their doctor. Shame. There's
not just shame in admitting it, but so shame in
seeking help for it, because you're like, how am I

(22:03):
going to walk into a doctor's office and tell them
I think I have looseners? Like do you not have
bigger problems? You know, so even just the fact that
you know that kind of issue, but also even being
able to tell your obituan after delivering that, you know what,
before the baby, like maybe you want my obiguane And
now things are just different because it may not necessarily
be something that your partner may be willing to talk

(22:25):
about because they know that if it is existing, it's
happened because of his children, you know, because of the
babies that you gave birth to, and they wouldn't want
to shame you. They wouldn't want to make you feel
bad about it, and you know, they care about your feelings.
If you know it's a good partner, they care about
your feelings. So it's not something that you would easily
bring up with them. So this laxity. Some women experience
really bad dryness, either because of breastfeeding or because of menopause.

(22:49):
Some women experience, as I mentioned, you know, lengthening of
the libya minora or even the Libya majora. Some women
in menopause experience a decrease in the fat content of
the libya. So maybe initially they were like, you know,
more youthful, and then now they're flatter and now they're
you know, saggy, and they're like, okay, is this a thing?
I don't like the way it looks, especially if you're

(23:10):
like a fairly you know, sexually active person, but even
just for yourself, you know, just like, this looks so different.
Why does this look the way it looks? It didn't
look like it didn't look like this before. And so
especially with the feminine hygiene in terms of the freshness,
it literally kills me every time. Because in the variations
of our anatomy, we also have variations in scent. Not

(23:31):
everyone smells the same, and there's no particular smell. There's
no lavender or it's supposed to smell like that, Like
it's actually an internal organ, so it's not gonna smell
you know, great. It has a scent, which is not
necessarily a bad scent, because when it's a bad scent,
that's the time you need to see your kynecologists because
your discharges off. But there is a sense to it,

(23:54):
and let's all be honest, there is a sense too,
because sometimes I get patients coming like, oh, the scent
is so off, it's so often slash it's normal. It
is actually this is what it is, especially younger patients
who haven't had time to explore themselves, you know enough.
So basically what women are seeking in terms of you know,
harmful practices is tightness, freshness, lubrication. But sometimes some of

(24:17):
these harmful practices also promise to treat gynecological conditions. And
that's well for me, I'm just like, oh my goodness,
this is ridiculous. Your period pain will disappear, your fibroids
with that career exactly, your hyper pigmentation will disappear, your
cysts or variant cysts will disappear.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And that's so risky.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Your periods will become regular with this whatever it is,
And I'm like, that is insane. None of that is
going to happen if you don't seek medical care, because
those are serious kinnecological symptoms that need serious gynecological attention.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
So you're not going to get tightness by whatever it
is that you're inserting. And so for me, some of
the harmful practices that you know we're looking at is
yo Ni.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, you spoke about that in our life.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
It al Yearni and cousins ye and everything that it
comes exactly, you need oils you need sweets, you need passories,
your nee inserts, your n.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I don't know creams, candy. Literally, yes, you only candy
I saw the other day. I was just like, this
is this is now?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Truly this is an ethnical also because you're really I
don't have the problems, but you're taking women for idiots
because and it's wasting time, because I actually have a
real problem. By the time you're saying you're dealing with cysts, exactly,
I shouldn't be in a doctor's office exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So a lot of these practices are unnecessary, harmful, unregulated, unregulated,
And that's the craziest part about it. You know, it's
willing by a willing seller. In all honesty, I'm gonna
go get something like a sackcloth, put whatever it is
that I need to put in it, and I'm gonna
sell it to you. And some studies around the world

(26:15):
have broken down youry products and seeing what's inside them,
and some of them contain really high levels of estrogen
sufficient enough to cause vaginal cancer in future. Some of
them call contain things like calcium hydroxy. You know the
little paperbag that you get inside your hand your new
hand bag with the little crystals inside. It's supposed to
make it dry. It's an anhydrous pellette that's supposed to

(26:39):
absorb moisture. So basically they'll take the same pellets, put
in any product, insert it into the vagina. It will
remove all the moisture from the vagina, and it will
give you an illusion of tightness when it's actually dryness.
It's actually more and that dryness is so harmful because
it will put your pH off, you'll get infections. And
the honest truth is that you see as doctors, we

(27:03):
cannot necessarily always outrightly reveal some of the things that
we see. But some of the things that I've seen.
I've seen even a person who left a NI product
inside Haver vagina for just slightly longer than what was
regulated or recommended, and she got a terrible abscess it
ate through the walls of have vagina. I literally had
to take her to theater, cut out all the rotten part,

(27:25):
and stitch it back together. And these are the things
that nobody tells you because you're just like, oh, yes,
I want tightness.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
You know the story, And I'm trying to not choke
up because I'm just like, not only have you failed
on the promise exactly? You've got damage. Yeah, you've caused damage.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And you've not just caused vaginal damage, You've caused emotional
trauma which this person is later going to have to
deal with because the medical condition. She had to literally
get to surgery because of this. And the truth of
the matter is she did one tightness and there was
other ways of doing it. You could actually I still
achieved exactly what you needed to achieve. So other than

(28:04):
your new products, we also have the steaming you know,
the vadget shows. And remember initially I said, this is
a self cleansing organ. Yes, what are we cleaning?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like what I always said? I'm like me, do I
know this thing?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
It just handles itself clean, you know. So I don't
know this team that's rose flavor exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I know, like and we scented and all that because
you want to create the illusion of freshness or you
want to change the skin around the valver. And to me,
that's well, because I've dealt to the bunds, you know,
scults from someone from processes like this exactly, from processes
like this, and now we have a whole new issue.
We have to involve a plastic surgeon. We have to

(28:44):
do grafting, maybe say from another part of your body,
to put skin on your valve, because all the skin
got scalded off. And even if you say, you know,
I'm going to be careful and all that, truly what
are you what are you trying to achieve? What are
you actually why exactly what are you trying to cheap?
Because if if it's a particular smell, then truly get

(29:04):
over the fact that it has a scent. It has
been like this since the day you were born.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And the scent isn't fat.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's not a bad sence.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, Let's also who taught you it's bad?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
That is it?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Who said this?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Who ingrained it in you? You know? And that's basically
maybe getting to the roots of the problem. So wanting tightness,
wanting freshness, one thing, a more youthful appearance, you know,
all of those are Okay, I'm not going to sit
here and disqualify those needs. Women do have those needs.
But truly there are safer ways of doing it. The

(29:38):
little and sometimes it's part of the vadgetials, the woods
and the little jickos that exist that have their special
kind of chuckle and their special kind of scent other
than being a fire has, so to speak, other than
being literally burn yourself, they also release carbon monoxide, which
is canceerogenic, which is medically proven that carbon monoxide can

(30:02):
cause cancer, you know in organs. Maybe not today, maybe
not you know tomorrow, but in a few years time,
you know, and both vulval and vaginal cancer. Like what
would you tell yourself if you had vaginal cancer from
something that you didn't even need to do, like it
truly wasn't even necessary.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Is it worth this risk?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Exactly? Is it worth the bunds? Is it? What the
infections is it? What the altered pH the skulls, and
just the general harm that it's causing you. And also,
as you mentioned for whom for a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Of times, as women, like how our body should look
is dictated by what's socially acceptable acceptable, and that will
make in many situations you be chosen by a man
that the man your vagina needs to not like ruses exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
And sometimes it's brought about by culture, but sometimes it's
also just unrealistic beauty expectations of society. Sometimes it's even
weird things like the porn industry they're like, oh my goodness,
if this do looks like this in porn, this is
how it should look. Absolutely not. You don't have to
look like that. So these influence from all sorts of areas,
from maybe difficult upbringings, from culture, from religion, from the

(31:16):
beauty industry, from the porn industry, from male dominated world,
from so many areas, and it's a lot for women, truly,
it's a lot to be able to deal with, to
be able to say, I mean enough, I'm normal, this
is okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
So you should Could we just say, as a blanket statement,
would I be right to say you if matters vagina
should be left to gaynecologists.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, And then if.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
You want a procedure for as you defined it, then
we're talking about a cosmetic gynecologist. Yes, it shouldn't be.
That should just be our rule of thought. It should
not be in a spa, Yeah, it should not be.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
In the lady who talks at bridal shower spear.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Please know that's the rule of them.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
So we're not disqualifying what you're seeking, but don't seek.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It there, seek it the right way.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yes, So let's talk alternatives.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Right, So if someone is Okay, so we've we've said
the scent man, guys, let's just accept accept and you
accepting it's not that and it really bad. It's to
be like, it's a wonderful embracy. It's a wonderful sense
is wonderful sense. If my issue is esthetics or tightness

(32:39):
or I'm not getting as wet as I used to,
what are the alternatives that can help me address it?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
When I come to see you.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Doctor, say what should I be here listening out for
you when you're saying.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
These So, of course our consultations generally start to with
you telling me what you feel is off right, because
sometimes you just need a reassurance and a pattern the
buck and yeah, this is not a problem, but sometimes
it's an actual problem. So you being able to describe
it to me, like this is what I'm feeling, and

(33:17):
then you know truly if it is valid, then we
will deal with it. We also do something called a
female sexual function Index. So basically what I'm doing is
giving you questionnaires that tell me about what your intimate
wellness and sex life is like. And we're scoring you
because we want to rescore you after our treatment, so

(33:39):
we can technically and realistically see that this treatment has
caused improvement in what we give to you in the
first place. This is not just like I kind of
feel better. No, we need like solid you know, points
where we can say this was like this and now
it's like yeah, checking. So it's actually it's a medical procedure.
It's science, and with science you have to be able

(33:59):
to see before and afters of things, you know, and
if it's esthetics, you know you will be able to see,
like the surgical work, what a woman looked like before
and what she looks like after. So we do give
the questionnaires. Sometimes if we suspect that a person maybe
may have something like body this move fair, we will
do an assessment and if you're not able to you know,

(34:20):
assess very well, we may send you actually to your
therapist or to your psychiatrist and say, please come back
with this letter saying that you actually don't have body
this morphing, that I can actually proceed with the surgery,
because you may be one of those people who has
body this morph and then tomorrow you the surgery will
not be.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Enough tory because it's not about.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Then wanting more. You'll not be satisfied with whatever you
get because you have a psychiatric condition that does not
allow you to see that this was bad and now
it's better, you know, So you keep coming back and
you will also see other parts of your body that
you don't like. You'll be like, Okay, now I need
a breast job and I need a bucket, and it'll

(35:00):
o end, you know. So we need to assess that truly,
and not all patients need this assessment, but majority to
do we're able to kind of tell, like, this person
looks like they could have bodied this small fee, and
then just those people who say, look, I don't even
actually care what it looks like. I just needed to
be tighter because I've had five babies. Each of those
babies was over five kilos.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm telling you things, please and.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
That we don't need to do very deep assessments, but
we do have to have it at the back of
our mind that what if this person actually has a
psychiatric condition that doesn't allow them to have this. So
there's a lot that you do that we have to assess.
We have to assess that you're actually of sound mind
to receive such a sign. But everybody does it, but
some people will do it and not everybody needs it,
but some people actually do and then we go through
the kind of procedures that are available. So for example,

(35:48):
if the Libyas are lengthened, we could do a Libya
plus thy, meaning we could shorten them. If they're chafing
against each other. You can't run, you can walk, you
can have sex comfortably. Truly, they need to be smaller,
and we get women who have very large ones, you know,
sending all the way up to their thigh. Cosmetic gynecology wise,
it needs to be just one centimeter and not be
way below the Libya majora. It's way below the Liberal majora.

(36:11):
That's a problem. It's going to cause functional issues and
you may not like the way it looks. So that's
one of the you know, ways we could alter the
length and even the shape and even the color pattern
because some women have it you know, dark at the
top and at the bottom, and we could even that
out by surgery.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I didn't know you could do that magicians.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's very interest. So that's one of the things we could.
For example, for older women who lose the fat content
in the Libya majora and they become like kind of saggy,
we could do a filler. For example, we could do
a Libya majora plastic. We could do a LiPo and
fill the liberal majora with fat to make them more youthful.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
This is so interesting. I did not know these things
were possible.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
So that's possible, and that's for esthetics as well. It
doesn't necessarily have sexual function, but it helps. It looks
a little bit better for you, you know, especially for
women who maybe are aging. Of women who've lost a
drastic amount of weight. I don't know if you've heard
of ozenpic vulver, No I haven't. Yeah, so a lot
of women who are on a zeen pic or any
other jail pit and to lose a lot of fat
in their volver and then they get that kind of sagging,

(37:14):
so they may want a filler. You could do a
fat filler, or you could do a high uronic acid filler,
which is just a twenty minute procedure in the office,
and it's a more youthful shape because you cannot control
the areas of your body that are losing fat or
losing weight. So we're getting a lot of that in
terms of fellers for women who are on you know,
a drastic weight loss, not everybody's valver gets affected, but

(37:35):
some women do. You could have a vaginoplasty, so you
could have a non surgical vaginoplasty or a surgical vaginoplastic.
So with non surgical vaginoplasty, we're looking at things like
radio frequency treatment or laser. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Like I'm just literally like memorized by everything you say.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Okay, Like radiofrequency isn't radiotherapy. Yeah, frequency is a thermal treatment,
radio therapy, cancer treatment. So this thermal treatment helps to
build collagen in the vagina, build new blood vessels, and
make the nerve endings more sensitive, and make the glands
in the vagina start lubricating for themselves. So this is
a treatment that we like to use for reproductive age women. Basically,

(38:18):
we are restoring the tightness and the lubrication and we're
making your body do it for you. Your body starts
to produce more collagen, your body starts to produce more lubrication.
The downside of non surgical treatments is that with time,
that effect does die down and then you do need
a touch up. And that's the honest truth of it,
you know, because collagen gets broken down systematically in the

(38:41):
body with time and with aging, so you need to
rebuild it up. But basically non surgical painless.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I call it the lunchtime I did not know you,
like when you're talking about one earlier, like it's twenty minutes, Like.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
What, yeah, absolutely so, and then you feel the tightness.
But the other thing about both radio frequency and laser
is that you get better sensitivity, which is again why
I like to really insist that the doctor you're seeing
is a cosmetic andnecologist because they need to not only
know how their machine works, but the science of what
it's doing to you. They need to explain it to
you in a term that you understand that you know what,

(39:16):
I'm building collagen, I'm building blood vessels. I'm going to
get better in our endings. And this is why sex
is going to feel better for me. And in one year,
my body will break down the collagen and I'll make
new one through this procedure.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
That makes sense. Yeah, and you're even expecting things. You
can understand what's happening with your exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
So they need to understand the physiology behind it, but
also how their machine works, because not all machines are
the same. Some are radio frequency, some are laser, some
are ultrasound baits, and they need to know what works
well for whom and why not everybody's going to get
laser not everybody's going to get radio frequency, and so
they need to know that this is for you because
of this, because I've studied this, because it's taken me

(39:52):
so many years to actually understand what works for you.
So some women have had maybe just one baby and
they didn't have a really bad tear. Baby wasn't big,
and non surgical treatment works. But women who've had consecutive,
very close together big babies, they do need probably a
surgery because with surgery, we just cut out a tiny

(40:13):
piece of a tiny a significant piece of the vagina
and we bring it back together and so you get
you know, the tightness that you wanted, and that doesn't
kind of fade with time unless you have another delivery.
So usually I try to tell my patients you're either
you know, looking to be done with deliveries, or we're
looking to redo this after you have another baby, or
you're looking to have a cesarean section, because I don't

(40:35):
want my very detailed workness just so there has to
be also, you know, indications of why we do this.
And then We also do things like clatorial plastics, not
just for women who've had f GM, but this is
clitoral surgery. Some women have a very large hood for

(40:58):
the clitoriest and the way that critorist works is that
if the hood is very large, it protects the criatorists
and it doesn't get exposed and women get really poor sensitivity.
So sometimes it makes sense to reduce the hood a
little bit just to have a little more exposure for
better sensitivity. Not everybody needs this, but some women have

(41:18):
such a longhood that it goes way beyond even their
liberal majority and minora. And we don't know why this
happens to certain people, but if it's that you know,
lengthy or that's you know, full, it does need to
be brought back a little bit. And some women will say, okay,
you know what. Some of men just kind of do
it manually for themselves, but some women will actually say,
you know, I can't keep you know, manipulating myself every

(41:40):
time that I need to have intercourse. I'm going to
just like have the surgery and get that and done with.
We also do actually intimate lightning, so even the hyper
pigmentation that comes that people go to crazy that that's
actually a cosmetic and ecology procedure, because what we do
is we have specials. It's like, well right now Africa

(42:03):
is and producing them. So we get our products from
Europe mostly like Spain, Sweden, and then it's a seven
step process. It's a ninety days process, Like seven step
in the clinic takes four hours and then another ninety
days at home. So we're monitoring, we're taking photos, we're
seeing that it's getting lighter, we're testing your skin before,
like it's such a process not just apply this cream.

(42:25):
I once got a patient, she was nineteen years old,
and hyperpigmentation, unfortunately presents itself a lot more in lighter
skin women, in fairer skin women, because the contrast is
so sharp with the light skin and the dark skin.
Not that darker skinned women don't get it. They do
get it, but it's just not as visible and it's

(42:46):
not as obvious. And so she went and she got
this intimate lightening cream and I took photos of it
because it literally shocked me. No name, no manufactured date,
no expiry date, no contents, no regulatory nothing, so we
don't even want it to We have no idea. What

(43:07):
on earth this is her skin in her entire volver
and mid size peeled off, all of it. How painful
all of it. It was literally like, you know, second
third degree burns. She needed grafting. We actually had to
graft her skin.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
We don't even know even who to report or whose account.
What is this thing?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I mean, she knows the shop, and of course when
she was she couldn't actually walk, that's how bad it was.
And she goes back to the shop. It's literally willing
buy a willing seller. There's nothing you can do. Nobody
forced you to buy it. Regulators and regulated substances, you
know nothing. I remember looking at the two. I mean
it had a name. It was a foreign name, but

(43:48):
I'm like, this means nothing. It could mean flower. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
And also we don't know now the ingredient.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
What is We don't We don't even know the because
when we know the contents, then we know the antidote. Yes,
you know, so if it's like hydrogen peroxide, then I
know what to do. But if there's no contents, no manufacturing, no, no,
this is a product of X country. Nothing on the tube.
And I'm one hundred percent sure she's not the only one. Yeah,

(44:16):
so all of this is available, It just needs to
be done in a regulated manner for women, for example,
who want tightness. Because cosmetic gynecology procedures are expensive, kegles
are free.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
You know, I was telling you about this this TikTok lady.
I think she's a guy in the States, and she
does this excess like kegle exercises.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, it's aerobic exactly because you're just said, no one.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Knows, and she has a song play and she when
she does this, it means oh, so she'll do hmm with.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
The bead like type. I you know, I stumbled upon
her and then I followed her because.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I just thought, this is such a fun way for
us to do the thing with it, and it's free,
and it's free.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
That's the most important thing, because every time I give
this information, all this stuff is so expensive. And that's
the truth. It is the honest truth. Cosmetic gynecology is
not accessible to everyone. But there are things that you
can do that costless and that are free. But most importantly,
it needs to be safe because this is the most
intimate part of your body. This is not the time
to be skimping out on stuff. This is not the

(45:30):
time for I'm going to take this cheaper option.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Because it's the cheaper option, really cheaper, because it's the
harmful option.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's harmful, and then you're not seeing any change.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
So you keep buying and buying and buying, even if
you're the one who gets away with maybe not getting
an infection, which is also an expensive exacting But even
here you're buying and buying and buying, and it's valid.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
You what you're seeking, it's valid.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
So perhaps it's just like organizing yourself and saying, okay, doctors,
like I think I can only see you in two
years exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And so there's something I was
saying before I got.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Into the I went talking kind of colleges.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Kegles are free.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I love telling my patients after they've had a vaginal
delivery and if they haven't, you know, kegles are great.
The science behind keggles is a little bit tricky because
you need to do so many for you to you know,
just kind of like be back to where you were
before baby, for example. So scientifically says you need about
three thousand, six hundred kegles a day, which is a
very difficult number to achieve, you know, and that's scientifically.

(46:38):
Of course, most people won't treat it, but I'm gonna say, like,
do what you can. You do what you can. Nowadays
we have special pelvic flow chairs. It does eleven thousand
kegles for you in half an hour. Yes, yes, better
than an invasives. Just sit fully close on your chair
and it does. It does it true magnetic energy and

(46:58):
it just does the kegles for you do at thirty minutes.
And it helps not just like with your kegles, but
you know generally with your pelvic floor for women who
have you know, mild urinary in continents, it helps that
as all because it's strengthening the whole pelvic floor. It's
not isolating particular muscles. So that's another thing. You know. Fine, yes,
still costs, but you know it's nobody cut you up,

(47:19):
nobody inserted anything. You sat on a chair, fully clothed
and you're good to go.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
You know, this is so interesting, This is that I
did not know exist.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, so those are the alternatives that are you know,
that are available. So no need to harm yourself, no
need to go for something because it's cheap or because
you know your friends spoke about it or whatever. Just
I feel like the most intimate part of your body,
give yourself the.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Best, yeah, and don't. And I think also the shame
leads us to this buying these things, the desperation.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
You know, women's a lot of women like the relationships
are breaking down because of the lack of intimate wellness
or with sexual dysfunction. So sometimes women are doing this
to preserve a relationship, to preserve our marriage. So I
don't want to sit here and say, why are you're
doing this? No, you do have a reason, and your
reason is valid. You want to keep your relationship together.

(48:12):
But this is actually something that could potentially break that
relationship even further. You know, if you're having you and
break you and your mental health and just your general
well being and even your just yourself esteem, how you
view yourself, you could really regret it afterwards. And then
that's another thing that now you're trying to you know,
sort out and rebuild afterwards, Like is it actually you know,
worth it?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
This is so interesting and I think it also speaks
to this a podcast I listened to sometime back and
we spoke about it.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
In the last season we had Doctor Kenya.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Who all the incredible Kenyan female doctors always mentioned the
other they're like and so she mentioned you, and we
were talking about halle Berry was speaking about estrogen cream
right and wanting to enjoy sex.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Even in her age.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I think she's fifty nine now, and I remember being like, yeah,
why first, it's almost frowned upon. To enjoy sex as
a woman, or to know what you like or to
seek sex as a woman is like found upon. And
so even conversations around I want maybe this procedure because

(49:28):
maybe after kids or whatever the case is, I'm not
feeling the sensation where.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I want to enjoy it. It's important, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I think even that affirms like yeah, and when you
go to the doctor, there's no shame.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
It's like, yeah, we want you to enjoy the things
we want to enjoy. How do we get there?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And so I think it's really important even just having
this conversation to affirm that and also to affirm the alternatives.
You don't have to do something that's going to lead
you to theater. We're having burns.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You can't want like please these other options.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, there's something you talk about that it's very interesting,
intimate wellness?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yes, did I get it right? What is that?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
When? If you define that, what is that, I'd.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Say it's when a woman's intimate life is in order.
You know, it's a pain free, comfortable, confidence space in
terms of how she explores intimacy, regardless of her partner,
within herself. It's basically, you know, my intimacy is in order,

(50:36):
which a lot of us, you know, probably don't enjoy
a lot of studies have said that. And these are
Western studies, but these are not even like African studies
that about sixty percent of women can't actually have an orgasm? Yes,
and that is crazy. And these are people who actually
went and reported to a doctor. So how much is unreported? Right?

(50:59):
In the little percent that's left, women still will probably
not understand even the kind of you know, augusm that
they have. You know, there's vaginal litoral as you know, penetrative,
non penetrative. So intimate wellness is such personal ownership. It's
you understanding, you know, is my intimacy truly in order?

(51:19):
Am I pain free? Am I comfortable? Am I confident?
Am I enjoying this? Because it's not mechanically, we're not
doing it for the sake of doing it. We're doing
it to get some form of enjoyment. So for me,
is that process in order? For you? And because for women,
our intimate wellness is so multifaceted, it starts in our mind,
you know, like when you're stressed, you could literally be

(51:40):
thinking about your washing machine during sex.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Ye, this thing not get my luves and that.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
From my child was so for us it isn't the mind,
and that process is a little bit more straightforward. For them,
their issues are much less. You know, they have a
rectile dysfunction, they have premature ejaculate. That's more or less it.
For us, it's so many things. It's sensitivity, it's drying us,
it's it's you know, social, it's social. It's just multifaceted.

(52:11):
So when all those facets facets are in order, then
you can say, truly, I do have intimate illness. And
when either of them is not, then you can present
it to whomever is relevant, you know, whether it's your
doctor or real therapist or whomever, and you should be
able to present it at any One of my oldest
patients is eighty eight, and.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
She comes with her husband.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
She actual cosmetic gynecology treatments. And every time I tell
people this, they're like, oh my goodness, they actually like
having sex.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yes, and they should.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
They should have been in a vel. Yeah, you know.
And so one of my patients once told me, she said,
you're a gynecologist for all seasons. I'm like, yeah, you
know what I am, because I have teenagers and then
I have the eighty eight year old. And it just
means that for every area of your life, you need
to be able to be able to connect with the
gynecologists and enjoy that area, whether it's pregnancy, whether it's delivery,

(53:03):
whether it's even a hysterectomy, because fibrides were giving you
issues and now you actually want just relieve from that.
You know, for all the seasons, you should be able
to enjoy, you know, your reproductive and sexual health to
the fullest. So you should be it's not an age issue,
and we should do everything in our capacity to allow
you to enjoy. Whatether it means giving you a homeown,

(53:24):
what it means, giving you radio frequency treatment, whether it
means giving you a non surgical treatment, a surgical treatment,
whatever it is for you to attain that intimate wellness,
so that then you also own it and say, you
know what, me and my doctor, this is where we
have arrived, you.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Know, And what I was gonna say, it's funny and
there because I was going to say, and I think
it starts with like owners.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
It's ownership right for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And even in terms of even just your eighty eight
year old station two, I'm just like goals how I
want to age. It's that there's no you should want
to enjoy things. And even when we I know the
vagina is expansive beyond sex, but even with sex, it's

(54:11):
that you should own the process. It's not for someone else.
You are also part of the process, so you should
enjoy it. And you have the voice to say I'm
not enjoying it because maybe I'm getting older, I'm not
getting as lubricated as I once used to.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
What do I do? You know? And there are things
that can help me with this for me to enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Because so the only one who knows what it's like
to live in your body. Your doctor has no idea exactly.
The people around you have no idea, including your actual partner.
You inhabit your own body, so you're the one to say,
you know what I need this better, and I deserve
but I needs You're.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Right, and so that's why I keep on saying I'm
very thankful for helping me and learn it because I
think I had the privilege of age and the vagina
that I have that I hadn't been in a situation
where I'd be like, excuse.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Me, nothing, I was saying.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So now I'm just like, no, it's part of agency,
it's part of women owning their bodies.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
And so to the woman watching who is first inspired
to grab a mirror tonight with that leg but your toilet,
like start to intimately get to see what your.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
V china looks like? What is one thing you want
to leave her with?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Like we've talked about intimate wellness, we've talked about the alternatives.
You've affirmed the why, which I think is so powerful, Like,
if there's something you feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
With that matters, what's like one thing you want to
leave her with?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Aunts listen to your body because you deserve the best.
You truly deserve the best, honestly, don't you know, sit
in a corner. Don't not talk about it because other
people are not talking about it, don't share away from it,
don't fail to bring it up because you don't know
how your partner is going to percive it, or society

(56:07):
is going to pacive it. It's you truly deserve the best,
to deserve too. It's your right. It's actually your right
forget everything that you've been told before forget you know,
don't talk about it, it's shameful or whatever. Who does that?
Women who do that are promiscuous or the mann it's
but enjoy it, enjoy it, speak up about it. It

(56:30):
is your right, and you deserve the absolute best reproductive
and intimate health.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I love that, very affirming.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And another thing I want to thank you for is
that you said you were going to share a link.
Is that so we can even be able to check
if doctors are registered.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Exactly what they're registered for.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
So that's clearly in the description, just our way of
like even starting that process of like steering away from
things that can harm you and you being exclused to okay.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
What am I while I mean in other countries exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And of course we're also going to share all the
links for how you can connect with doctor Suley and
the incredible work that she does. So whether it's you
just want to follow her because she shares such educational things.
I'm just like, wow, you made it so simple for
me to understand what's happening here, or you know, book
a session with her to go for a consultancy and

(57:27):
see the incredible work she's doing even in changing what
the pregnancy.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Journey is for women in Africa. Incredible work you're doing.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
So I have to thank you for all that work
and for coming on the show.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Thank you for having me. It's been amazing. I really appreciate.
I appreciate the space that you've created for women just
to be able to understand themselves. Very few people, you know,
kind of push the envelope like that. Women have a
lot of conversations around you know, themselves and their health,
and you know what's right and what not like this.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yes, I think it's so thank you, Thank you, Thank
you so much, and I hope you enjoyed this episode.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
If you have, made sure you share.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
It with another woman in your life who is on
her way to Mondo.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Listeners and check out the description for all the links
that I just spoke about, and don't

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Forget to subscribe as well so that you do not
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