March 20, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode, Martin Butler, Community and Events Fundraising Manager at the Royal Berks Charity and passionate singer based in Reading. Martin shares his journey of balancing responsibilities with his love for music, discussing how he finds time for his passion alongside his professional and family life. He details his experiences with singing in choirs, performing as a soloist, and songwriting.
Martin offers insights into finding time for personal hobbies, the importance of well-being, and the diverse music scene in Reading, encouraging listeners to explore local venues and support local artists. He also emphasises the value of pursuing one's passions and offers advice for those looking to develop their creative interests, reminding listeners that "never say never" when it comes to following their dreams.
TIMECODES
00:00 Episode Introduction
00:25 Welcome to Martin!
00:38 Introduction to Martin
01:24 What Martin likes about Reading
02:43 Martin’s music background
05:28 Finding time for your passions
06:15 Martin’s singing genre
07:27 Martin’s song writing process
10:13 How Martin found the music video process
12:24 Martin’s special singing highlights
14:00 What was it like to sing at The Hexagon and Purple Turtle
15:08 Tips for finding great singing performances
17:23 Final thoughts
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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(00:00):
Hi, I'm Maria, host of the My Local Marketer podcast.
In this episode, I'm speaking with Martin Butler, who alongside his day job at the RoyalBox Charity is an avid singer.
In this episode, we discuss how Martin finds time for his passion and his advice fordeveloping your passion alongside other responsibilities.
Please do share this episode with someone who you think may be interested.
(00:21):
Now, without further ado, let's jump in.
Hello, Martin, and welcome to the My Local Marketer podcast.
How are you?
morning and thank you very much for inviting me.
you're very welcome.
Well, obviously we've worked together a lot recently on the video, which we'll mentionsoon.
But for our listeners who don't know you, could you please just introduce yourself?
Hi there, my name is Martin Butler.
(00:43):
I work for the Royal Barks charity at the Royal Barks Hospital in Reading and I'm theCommunity and Events Fundraising Manager.
met through the music video, which like I said, we'll discuss in a few minutes, butbecause of the music video that shows that you are a singer, aren't you?
So you do singing in your spare time.
I sing a lot, whether it's in a choir or as a soloist, yeah, I like my singing.
(01:08):
you've been based in Reading for, you've been based in Reading for many many years.
you?
I've lived in Reading all my life, apart from a short spell where when I first got marriedI moved to Wokingham but I soon came back to Reading again.
So yeah, Reading all my life.
what do you like about reading that?
love asking people this question.
(01:28):
Reading is Reading and if you don't come from Reading you don't get it.
It's a unique place with its own style of what it does.
Reading is Reading.
There's lots to do in Reading as well whether it's music, whether it's pleasure.
You know we're lucky we've got the river that goes through and we might not be a seasidetown but you know we've got great things in the town that offers people things to see and
(01:55):
visit.
There is so much to do, I think the trick with reading though is you've got to go lookingfor it.
Once you start getting into the different groups and finding people, it's amazing, butyou've got to actually put the effort in to go and look.
for it.
Not only the groups, even in your own time you can look around them.
It's such a big town, there's people who say, I know Caversham but don't venture anywhereelse, or yeah, no Talas, but don't go anywhere else.
(02:22):
There's loads of places in Reading's and on the outskirts as well, even historical,there's lots of historical things within Reading as well.
It's a great place to be and I won't be anywhere else.
Let's get into your singing then, because obviously you're here to discuss your singing.
Like we said before, you work for Royal Barks and you have a family, So first question foryou, how do you find time for your singing?
(02:47):
I think in life you have to have an even balance between work, home and hobbies.
My hobby is music.
I guess I'm probably lucky that my family are now grown-up family, so looking back at mymusical history let's say, I started off as a choir boy at Christchurch which is at the
(03:13):
top of Kendrick Road.
and I remained in the choir even from man to boy and joined the tenor section and right upuntil after I got married once you start having a family that's where it then starts
affecting what you can do in and around your work and family.
So for me I got married that's when I moved away to Wokingham and that's when I left thechoir because I had a growing family.
(03:40):
My work was I was a retail manager
I managed Woolworths in Reading and Woolworths was one of the very first shops, guess thepioneer, of Sunday Trading.
Now Sunday Trading meant as a manager I had to work, which meant I couldn't then go tochurch and be in the choir because it was a working day for me and that was all new in the
(04:05):
retail world.
So then I had my children and my wife worked evenings.
I worked day time so we worked opposite each other so we had a balanced life as a familyand work but back in those days you know money was always tight and you couldn't always
(04:27):
afford a babysitter so I didn't sing for many years I didn't sing and it wasn't until mychildren were old enough to be at home on their own in the evenings and all grown up that
I then
went back and started singing again and that was probably about 12 to 15 years ago Istarted singing again so I had a break from singing.
(04:51):
So it's now that I have that time in my life that I can balance it easier between familylife and work which gives me some time and that doesn't only mean like singing choirs and
singing in concerts in Reading
(05:11):
I have been abroad with some of these choirs, I've been to festivals singing with otherchoirs, so I get the opportunity to do different things, but it always has to balance in
with both work and home.
I think that's a nice lesson because sometimes we go through seasons.
So sometimes in life when works are focused or families are focused, you have to pull backon other things.
(05:33):
And then other times in life, you can focus more on your hobbies.
Yeah definitely and you know times are difficult at the moment but for your own well-beingwe talk a lot about well-being these days and you can get so tied up with work and home
and the stresses of things that are going on you need that release from that even if it'syou know just a couple of hours one evening a week to go to choir and music is good it's
(06:05):
good for your heart.
it's good for your soul.
So do something that can get something out of it.
What kind of singing would you say you are in?
What genre of singing?
It's hard to place you.
I know I've worked with you.
It's not pop.
It's not folk.
It's more poppy, I think.
So it is on the pop side and I do work with a record company, MCS Records, who I'm signedwith and I have done some covers albums and if you're looking at the sort of covers I do
(06:38):
they are very poppy, very traditional, know bit of Kylie, bit of Dusty Springfield, thattype of music.
But I now record solo music and it's music which I write and I'm actually classed as
country singer.
Because the MCS records, they are based more on artists which are country.
(07:02):
But I would say I'm probably a bit different to most of their artists in that, althoughI'm classed as country, it's the music which is put to my words, which makes it very
country-fied.
But I write in a different style than most, I would say.
Yeah, I'd say you're more pop, but if you're listening to this, I'll put a link toMartin's video on the landing page, go and decide for yourself.
(07:27):
But whatever it is, it's definitely uplifting.
Yeah, I know which video you're talking about and that is The Robin.
That was one of the very first songs I wrote about 18 months ago and Maria helped me dothe video for that which is great so do take a look at that.
A lot of people say it's a real earworm, it just gets in your head and you can't get itout of your head.
(07:50):
Nothing to do with Kylie getting it out of my head.
So for me, I write music.
and I can go through moments where I can't think of anything to write.
I've just had a spell of about three to four months where I haven't written a single song.
(08:12):
Then two weeks ago I wrote two songs in one evening and it's just as you think of things,you think of subjects and you think how you can develop that into a song.
So not only thinking of
I start with lyrics and once I get lyrics I then think of how does that sound musicallyand then I meet with Henry who is the music director and executive writers of MCS Records
(08:46):
and he comes up with me with a backing track so we'll have a teams meeting and he'll knowwhat I'm thinking
with la la la la la la la la la la how the tune goes what the words are and then he'llplay some ideas and I'll go yeah I don't like that no I don't like that yeah I like that
(09:07):
and then from there that's where he builds and that's where he's great with the music thathe writes he can just pick out what would work so we did one song not long ago about three
months ago which he said it needs something and I said I think it needs pan pipe
So when I say I write very different type songs, I do write them strangely.
(09:31):
They don't always rhyme.
I write a little bit out of the box.
I always enjoy hearing about people's processes because everyone approaches something indifferent ways and I think you've got to find whatever process works best for you.
It's fine to know about other people's processes, but you have to try different things andfind out what works best for you and different things may work at different times.
(09:52):
So I am new to music writing and in my mind I always thought that I'd need to hear a tunebefore I could write any lyrics to it.
But actually I do the reverse of that now and it's definitely the lyrics come first, thenhow I think the tune will go and then we'll build the track from that.
(10:14):
Now you mentioned the Robin video before that we did together.
I believe that was your first music video experience.
So how did you find it?
I enjoyed the process because I didn't quite know how the process would go.
But I liked the fact that together we worked on a storyline of the premise of how thatwould look.
(10:38):
So it worked from the initial idea and piecing everything together to be the end product.
And it was an enjoyable process because
it had an end product.
You could always think, well it could be this or it could be that.
But by having the storyline to follow, we knew what we needed to achieve and the end goal.
(11:06):
And when you watch the video, hopefully you'll enjoy it.
We knew exactly what we doing, we went and we did it.
It was clean, it was quick.
So when you watch it you'll see it's a Christmas video and we obviously recorded it beforeChristmas.
So yeah Christmas tree up in my house, was it August?
(11:26):
I think we did it.
And then we had to wait a while because we needed the leaves to be off the trees before wecould do the end bit otherwise the context would be wrong if we'd videoed the whole thing
in the middle of summer.
The outdoor scenes as well.
Yeah, it was a long process by the fact the type of video it is.
(11:47):
However, I say it's Christmas.
It's getting just as much traction now as it did at Christmas.
Because it's not like an over-the-top Christmas song.
And when you listen to it, you'll hear that the Robin is around all year round.
And we're just coming into spring.
(12:08):
And the Robin will soon be out there singing.
So...
doesn't matter what time of year the Robin will always be there.
So for that reason the Robin is the first of my songs which on all the download sitesthat's what drives people to my music.
So you've got a lot of music experience now.
What have been your most special moments, say?
(12:32):
I think every moment can be special.
Obviously I'm in choirs.
I'm in three choirs actually.
One is called High Voltage, another one called Sing For Fun and the other one is ReadingMale Voice Choir.
And we all sing, all three choirs, is different type of music.
So what's special to me is I'm not just stuck in one type of genre.
(12:57):
All three choirs sing all three different types of music.
and I can adapt to whatever.
We all do, we do concerts with all three of them.
So each concert is a special event really.
Quite new to me is singing as a soloist.
So last year I was lucky enough to get to the final of Let's Sing Reading, where for thefirst time ever I sang as a soloist on the Hexagon stage.
(13:28):
So that was a special event.
And then actually the night after I sang at a Razor Roof event at Purple Turtle.
I've been to Purple Turtle, I've never sung at Purple Turtle.
So when you look at what's special, that was a special two nights for me that two placesyou can go to in Reading and watch people perform were two places that I actually
(13:55):
performed one night after the other.
Like many of our listeners, I've been to Hexagon and Purple Turtle.
What was it like to be on the other side, to be on the stage singing?
So I've been on the Hexagon stage before because I've been a winner of Let's Sing Readingbefore as a choir.
That is completely different.
(14:16):
You're there as a group of you and you're embracing what you're doing as a group.
To suddenly to be introduced to come on stage and you've got to walk across that stage onyour own and look out to the audience.
It's...
quite scary and then suddenly the music starts and a lot goes through your mind and youthink do I know these words?
(14:42):
Can I remember these words?
And they weren't my own songs.
I was singing Jar of Hearts by Christina Perry which I know the song Inside Out andthankfully I got through alright.
Anticipation is always worse, so you've really got to try and find a way to push throughthe anticipation and then it's so much worth it once you get to the other side.
Absolutely.
(15:02):
And yeah, it is different, quiet, soloist.
Yeah.
So what other venues are there to hear people singing and writing, would you say the bestones?
You've mentioned Purple Turtle.
Any others?
What I would say is, yeah you've got your Hexagons, you've got your Purple Turtle, anothergreat venue if you ever see advertised at concert there would be the University Great Hall
(15:23):
on London Road.
But what I would say to people is, it's not necessarily about the venue, I think it'sabout the performers that you want to see.
I can give an example, so you're probably all aware of What's On Reading,
They're great, they say what's coming up in the area and it could be some church anywherein Reading or it could be a hall somewhere but you'll see these great choirs and great
(15:57):
musical events that go on in Reading and it's very much would say underground.
People that want to go to those sort of concerts will seek out those sort of concerts andwe do have a great diversity of
music within Reading and certainly in the choir so there's male choirs, female choirs,mixed voice choirs.
(16:20):
There's just so much and I would just say seek out what's going on and what's on Readingis the best place to find that because unfortunately you don't see so much in the
newspapers anymore.
You do often see things on social media i.e Facebook etc where this choir is performinghere, there and there.
(16:42):
there there and certainly I know from Reading Male Voice Choir always advertising theirconcerts and they do one a month somewhere in the Berkshire area.
Don't be refined to just Reading because outside of Reading you know you've got yourWokinghams and your Bracknells and places like that.
South Hill Park Centre over in Bracknell is another great place, quite a smallish theatrebut they put musicals on.
(17:12):
from local theatre groups and things like that.
So yeah, be prepared to travel a little bit out of Reading.
some wonderful advice there, Martin.
Thank you.
What would you like to leave our listeners with?
I would say never say never.
If you put your mind to something it's always possible.
So if you've got a burning desire to write music, record music, there are options outthere.
(17:40):
There are...
you can buy gift days where you can have a day in the studio recording a track.
Just open your mind to...
I can do that because
You'll feel better.
Thank you so much, Martin.
I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
Thank you very much.
Hi, I'm Maria, host of the My Local Marketer podcast.
In this episode, I'm speaking with Martin Butler, who alongside his day job at the RoyalBox Charity is an avid singer.
In this episode, we discuss how Martin finds time for his passion and his advice fordeveloping your passion alongside other responsibilities.
Please do share this episode with someone who you think may be interested.
(00:21):
Now, without further ado, let's jump in.
Hello, Martin, and welcome to the My Local Marketer podcast.
How are you?
morning and thank you very much for inviting me.
you're very welcome.
Well, obviously we've worked together a lot recently on the video, which we'll mentionsoon.
But for our listeners who don't know you, could you please just introduce yourself?
Hi there, my name is Martin Butler.
(00:43):
I work for the Royal Barks charity at the Royal Barks Hospital in Reading and I'm theCommunity and Events Fundraising Manager.
met through the music video, which like I said, we'll discuss in a few minutes, butbecause of the music video that shows that you are a singer, aren't you?
So you do singing in your spare time.
I sing a lot, whether it's in a choir or as a soloist, yeah, I like my singing.
(01:08):
you've been based in Reading for, you've been based in Reading for many many years.
you?
I've lived in Reading all my life, apart from a short spell where when I first got marriedI moved to Wokingham but I soon came back to Reading again.
So yeah, Reading all my life.
what do you like about reading that?
love asking people this question.
(01:28):
Reading is Reading and if you don't come from Reading you don't get it.
It's a unique place with its own style of what it does.
Reading is Reading.
There's lots to do in Reading as well whether it's music, whether it's pleasure.
You know we're lucky we've got the river that goes through and we might not be a seasidetown but you know we've got great things in the town that offers people things to see and
(01:55):
visit.
There is so much to do, I think the trick with reading though is you've got to go lookingfor it.
Once you start getting into the different groups and finding people, it's amazing, butyou've got to actually put the effort in to go and look.
for it.
Not only the groups, even in your own time you can look around them.
It's such a big town, there's people who say, I know Caversham but don't venture anywhereelse, or yeah, no Talas, but don't go anywhere else.
(02:22):
There's loads of places in Reading's and on the outskirts as well, even historical,there's lots of historical things within Reading as well.
It's a great place to be and I won't be anywhere else.
Let's get into your singing then, because obviously you're here to discuss your singing.
Like we said before, you work for Royal Barks and you have a family, So first question foryou, how do you find time for your singing?
(02:47):
I think in life you have to have an even balance between work, home and hobbies.
My hobby is music.
I guess I'm probably lucky that my family are now grown-up family, so looking back at mymusical history let's say, I started off as a choir boy at Christchurch which is at the
(03:13):
top of Kendrick Road.
and I remained in the choir even from man to boy and joined the tenor section and right upuntil after I got married once you start having a family that's where it then starts
affecting what you can do in and around your work and family.
So for me I got married that's when I moved away to Wokingham and that's when I left thechoir because I had a growing family.
(03:40):
My work was I was a retail manager
I managed Woolworths in Reading and Woolworths was one of the very first shops, guess thepioneer, of Sunday Trading.
Now Sunday Trading meant as a manager I had to work, which meant I couldn't then go tochurch and be in the choir because it was a working day for me and that was all new in the
(04:05):
retail world.
So then I had my children and my wife worked evenings.
I worked day time so we worked opposite each other so we had a balanced life as a familyand work but back in those days you know money was always tight and you couldn't always
(04:27):
afford a babysitter so I didn't sing for many years I didn't sing and it wasn't until mychildren were old enough to be at home on their own in the evenings and all grown up that
I then
went back and started singing again and that was probably about 12 to 15 years ago Istarted singing again so I had a break from singing.
(04:51):
So it's now that I have that time in my life that I can balance it easier between familylife and work which gives me some time and that doesn't only mean like singing choirs and
singing in concerts in Reading
(05:11):
I have been abroad with some of these choirs, I've been to festivals singing with otherchoirs, so I get the opportunity to do different things, but it always has to balance in
with both work and home.
I think that's a nice lesson because sometimes we go through seasons.
So sometimes in life when works are focused or families are focused, you have to pull backon other things.
(05:33):
And then other times in life, you can focus more on your hobbies.
Yeah definitely and you know times are difficult at the moment but for your own well-beingwe talk a lot about well-being these days and you can get so tied up with work and home
and the stresses of things that are going on you need that release from that even if it'syou know just a couple of hours one evening a week to go to choir and music is good it's
(06:05):
good for your heart.
it's good for your soul.
So do something that can get something out of it.
What kind of singing would you say you are in?
What genre of singing?
It's hard to place you.
I know I've worked with you.
It's not pop.
It's not folk.
It's more poppy, I think.
So it is on the pop side and I do work with a record company, MCS Records, who I'm signedwith and I have done some covers albums and if you're looking at the sort of covers I do
(06:38):
they are very poppy, very traditional, know bit of Kylie, bit of Dusty Springfield, thattype of music.
But I now record solo music and it's music which I write and I'm actually classed as
country singer.
Because the MCS records, they are based more on artists which are country.
(07:02):
But I would say I'm probably a bit different to most of their artists in that, althoughI'm classed as country, it's the music which is put to my words, which makes it very
country-fied.
But I write in a different style than most, I would say.
Yeah, I'd say you're more pop, but if you're listening to this, I'll put a link toMartin's video on the landing page, go and decide for yourself.
(07:27):
But whatever it is, it's definitely uplifting.
Yeah, I know which video you're talking about and that is The Robin.
That was one of the very first songs I wrote about 18 months ago and Maria helped me dothe video for that which is great so do take a look at that.
A lot of people say it's a real earworm, it just gets in your head and you can't get itout of your head.
(07:50):
Nothing to do with Kylie getting it out of my head.
So for me, I write music.
and I can go through moments where I can't think of anything to write.
I've just had a spell of about three to four months where I haven't written a single song.
(08:12):
Then two weeks ago I wrote two songs in one evening and it's just as you think of things,you think of subjects and you think how you can develop that into a song.
So not only thinking of
I start with lyrics and once I get lyrics I then think of how does that sound musicallyand then I meet with Henry who is the music director and executive writers of MCS Records
(08:46):
and he comes up with me with a backing track so we'll have a teams meeting and he'll knowwhat I'm thinking
with la la la la la la la la la la how the tune goes what the words are and then he'llplay some ideas and I'll go yeah I don't like that no I don't like that yeah I like that
(09:07):
and then from there that's where he builds and that's where he's great with the music thathe writes he can just pick out what would work so we did one song not long ago about three
months ago which he said it needs something and I said I think it needs pan pipe
So when I say I write very different type songs, I do write them strangely.
(09:31):
They don't always rhyme.
I write a little bit out of the box.
I always enjoy hearing about people's processes because everyone approaches something indifferent ways and I think you've got to find whatever process works best for you.
It's fine to know about other people's processes, but you have to try different things andfind out what works best for you and different things may work at different times.
(09:52):
So I am new to music writing and in my mind I always thought that I'd need to hear a tunebefore I could write any lyrics to it.
But actually I do the reverse of that now and it's definitely the lyrics come first, thenhow I think the tune will go and then we'll build the track from that.
(10:14):
Now you mentioned the Robin video before that we did together.
I believe that was your first music video experience.
So how did you find it?
I enjoyed the process because I didn't quite know how the process would go.
But I liked the fact that together we worked on a storyline of the premise of how thatwould look.
(10:38):
So it worked from the initial idea and piecing everything together to be the end product.
And it was an enjoyable process because
it had an end product.
You could always think, well it could be this or it could be that.
But by having the storyline to follow, we knew what we needed to achieve and the end goal.
(11:06):
And when you watch the video, hopefully you'll enjoy it.
We knew exactly what we doing, we went and we did it.
It was clean, it was quick.
So when you watch it you'll see it's a Christmas video and we obviously recorded it beforeChristmas.
So yeah Christmas tree up in my house, was it August?
(11:26):
I think we did it.
And then we had to wait a while because we needed the leaves to be off the trees before wecould do the end bit otherwise the context would be wrong if we'd videoed the whole thing
in the middle of summer.
The outdoor scenes as well.
Yeah, it was a long process by the fact the type of video it is.
(11:47):
However, I say it's Christmas.
It's getting just as much traction now as it did at Christmas.
Because it's not like an over-the-top Christmas song.
And when you listen to it, you'll hear that the Robin is around all year round.
And we're just coming into spring.
(12:08):
And the Robin will soon be out there singing.
So...
doesn't matter what time of year the Robin will always be there.
So for that reason the Robin is the first of my songs which on all the download sitesthat's what drives people to my music.
So you've got a lot of music experience now.
What have been your most special moments, say?
(12:32):
I think every moment can be special.
Obviously I'm in choirs.
I'm in three choirs actually.
One is called High Voltage, another one called Sing For Fun and the other one is ReadingMale Voice Choir.
And we all sing, all three choirs, is different type of music.
So what's special to me is I'm not just stuck in one type of genre.
(12:57):
All three choirs sing all three different types of music.
and I can adapt to whatever.
We all do, we do concerts with all three of them.
So each concert is a special event really.
Quite new to me is singing as a soloist.
So last year I was lucky enough to get to the final of Let's Sing Reading, where for thefirst time ever I sang as a soloist on the Hexagon stage.
(13:28):
So that was a special event.
And then actually the night after I sang at a Razor Roof event at Purple Turtle.
I've been to Purple Turtle, I've never sung at Purple Turtle.
So when you look at what's special, that was a special two nights for me that two placesyou can go to in Reading and watch people perform were two places that I actually
(13:55):
performed one night after the other.
Like many of our listeners, I've been to Hexagon and Purple Turtle.
What was it like to be on the other side, to be on the stage singing?
So I've been on the Hexagon stage before because I've been a winner of Let's Sing Readingbefore as a choir.
That is completely different.
(14:16):
You're there as a group of you and you're embracing what you're doing as a group.
To suddenly to be introduced to come on stage and you've got to walk across that stage onyour own and look out to the audience.
It's...
quite scary and then suddenly the music starts and a lot goes through your mind and youthink do I know these words?
(14:42):
Can I remember these words?
And they weren't my own songs.
I was singing Jar of Hearts by Christina Perry which I know the song Inside Out andthankfully I got through alright.
Anticipation is always worse, so you've really got to try and find a way to push throughthe anticipation and then it's so much worth it once you get to the other side.
Absolutely.
(15:02):
And yeah, it is different, quiet, soloist.
Yeah.
So what other venues are there to hear people singing and writing, would you say the bestones?
You've mentioned Purple Turtle.
Any others?
What I would say is, yeah you've got your Hexagons, you've got your Purple Turtle, anothergreat venue if you ever see advertised at concert there would be the University Great Hall
(15:23):
on London Road.
But what I would say to people is, it's not necessarily about the venue, I think it'sabout the performers that you want to see.
I can give an example, so you're probably all aware of What's On Reading,
They're great, they say what's coming up in the area and it could be some church anywherein Reading or it could be a hall somewhere but you'll see these great choirs and great
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musical events that go on in Reading and it's very much would say underground.
People that want to go to those sort of concerts will seek out those sort of concerts andwe do have a great diversity of
music within Reading and certainly in the choir so there's male choirs, female choirs,mixed voice choirs.
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There's just so much and I would just say seek out what's going on and what's on Readingis the best place to find that because unfortunately you don't see so much in the
newspapers anymore.
You do often see things on social media i.e Facebook etc where this choir is performinghere, there and there.
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there there and certainly I know from Reading Male Voice Choir always advertising theirconcerts and they do one a month somewhere in the Berkshire area.
Don't be refined to just Reading because outside of Reading you know you've got yourWokinghams and your Bracknells and places like that.
South Hill Park Centre over in Bracknell is another great place, quite a smallish theatrebut they put musicals on.
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from local theatre groups and things like that.
So yeah, be prepared to travel a little bit out of Reading.
some wonderful advice there, Martin.
Thank you.
What would you like to leave our listeners with?
I would say never say never.
If you put your mind to something it's always possible.
So if you've got a burning desire to write music, record music, there are options outthere.
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There are...
you can buy gift days where you can have a day in the studio recording a track.
Just open your mind to...
I can do that because
You'll feel better.
Thank you so much, Martin.
I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
Thank you very much.
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