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May 5, 2025 38 mins

What if healthcare focused less on disease and more on creating health? In this episode, Dr. Melinda Ring talks with Dr. David Rakel, a trailblazer in integrative medicine and professor and chair of the University of Wisconsin Department of Family Medicine and Community, to explore Salutogenesis — a transformative approach that shifts the focus from illness to well-being.

Watch on Youtube: https://youtu.be/XN1jPxzWCoE

[00:00:00] – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

  • Dr. Melinda Ring introduces Dr. David Rakel, a pioneer in integrative medicine.

  • Overview of today's discussion on Salutogenesis and its impact on healthcare.

[00:02:06] – Dr. Rakel's Journey to Integrative Medicine

  • Dr. Rakel shares his path from rural Idaho to becoming a leader in integrative health.

  • Key moments that sparked his interest in shifting the focus from disease to health.

[00:06:00] – The Need for a More Holistic Healthcare Approach

  • Discussion about the frustration with the current healthcare system's focus on specialists.

  • Dr. Rakel advocates for a more comprehensive, generalist approach to healthcare.

[00:09:09] – What is Salutogenesis?

  • Dr. Rakel defines Salutogenesis, the science of health creation.

  • The story behind the term and how it applies to healthcare today.

[00:13:19] – The Shift from Disease Care to Health Creation

  • Dr. Rakel highlights the need for a new healthcare model that focuses on health and wellbeing.

  • The importance of looking at what’s right with a person instead of focusing on disease.

[00:17:18] – The Value-Based Care Model vs. Traditional Healthcare

  • Dr. Rakel explains the value-based care model, focusing on patient outcomes, cost-efficiency, and improved experiences.

  • How the traditional RVU model leads to unnecessary tests and treatments.

[00:20:10] – The Challenge of Reducing Polypharmacy

  • Dr. Rakel discusses the dangers of polypharmacy, where patients are prescribed multiple drugs.

  • How a Salutogenic approach can reduce the need for excessive medications.

[00:23:06] – Integrative Medicine and Functional Medicine: A Double-Edged Sword?

  • Dr. Rakel and Dr. Ring discuss the use of functional medicine tests and supplements, comparing them to traditional medical practices.

  • The importance of using a Salutogenic approach without falling back into old patterns.

[00:27:00] – The Role of Primary Care in Health

  • Dr. Rakel emphasizes the value of primary care and how increasing investment can improve overall healthcare outcomes.

  • How primary care can reduce emergency visits and improve health equity.

[00:29:47] – Addressing Healthcare Disparities and Primary Care Challenges

  • Dr. Rakel discusses how the current healthcare system creates disparities, especially when access to primary care is limited.

  • The need to make primary care more equitable to improve patient outcomes.

[00:32:55] – The Need for a Comprehensive, Team-Based Approach

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