Drag Race's Acacia Forgot & Project Drag Winner Lorelei, with model Steven Dehler

On this episode of On the Rocks, get out the glam as we chat with Drag Race alum Acacia Forgot and winner of Project Drag, Lorelei, as we chat about their drag life, theatre, music, hooking up, and the current state of queer nightlife…with guest co-host model and musician Steven Dehler and your sassy host with the sassy most, Alexander Rodriguez.  Raise a glass and let the drinks begin, it’s On the Rocks! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello on the Rockers. Get ready to get glam and
sassy as we welcome RuPaul's drag Races, Akasha Forgot and
the winner of Project Drag, Lorlai the Drag Queen, with
my co host Runway and Print model and musician Stephen Taylor.
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Returning to On the Rocks is our veteran pop culture
reporter Stephen Taylor. Stephen is no stranger to the Spotlight,
working as a runway and print model who's been seen

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on Will and Grace, Drag Race, and tat Call videos.
As a musician and dancer, He's appeared in foss events,
per less shows, and his YouTube videos of him playing
shirtless piano are very very popular. Please welcome back the
Bubba bat with the Brain, Stephen Taylor. It just gets longer,
it doesn't. I'll say, you also work as a dancer

(02:20):
in nightlife. How has the go go culture changed the
most over the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I mean it's definitely, like, I guess, quieted down a
little bit. I mean, nightlife isn't the same as it
was maybe ten years ago. But I don't know, what
do you think. You go out, you're as a patron.
You go out, you don't enjoy it. Like I'm there working,
So I'm more of like a good night for me?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Is I make money? It could be a dead night
or a busy nights. I'm just happy I make money.
But I just don't see people like going up to
go gos and interacting with them. They're mostly just staring. Now, yeah,
is that true?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
I feel like, yeah, last weekend, there's a lot of
people that are out, but there wasn't a lot of
money being thrown around, like, not even just for the dancers,
but for the bartenders. I was talking a couple of
bartenders in there looking for second jobs and.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, on our hot topic today, we're going to talk
about nightlife and what is happening in La nightlife, and
then we're going in the show with Harpop in the
rocks with you have a little pop culture. Yeah, yeah,
you know, you know how I must be losing weight
in my ears because my head felt. Yeah. Welcome our guest.

(03:25):
Lorely born and raised in Southern California, she's a self
described drag industry plant based out of Los Angeles. She's
an award winning theater artist and drag performer, most recently
presented as the winner of Project Drag at Beaches Tropic
Canna and Best Drag Performance at the twenty twenty five
Precinct Awards. Additionally, she's the founder of dan NYSA Yes Yes,
an artists collective dedicated developing long form theatrical works for

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drag performers in collaboration with dian Nyja. Lorelai was awarded
the Sydney Fringe Exchange Award at last year's Hollywood Fringe Festival,
and she's set to perform her original play in Sydney,
Australia on a scholarship and along with her theatrical work.
She's been featured on OutTV, Apple TV, as well as
a number of short films and web series available for

(04:10):
streaming online. Check out her podcast to Blam every Time
I Say It, I Like that. Yes, Yes, you can
find Loralai on the road touring with the Taylor Swift
Eira's tour Drag Brunch version, which has been touring all
around the nation. She's a resident cast member. Coming to
a city near you. Please welcome Lord.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
La Oh you did is an excellent job. That was
quite a mouthful, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, well a mouthful. I'm also joined in as a
casha for God Multi State gem born into a musical family,
She's been playing music since she could walk and writing
music since she could talk. She moved to New York,
growing her presence in the queer and country music scene.
She met the love of her life and moved to
Los Angeles. She joined the Drag Race family for Season
seventeen of Drag Race. Did she go home too soon?

(04:57):
Yes she did. She's currently God Letter. She's currently working
on her debut album and traveling all around the nation.
Please welcome.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yes, sorry to interrupt you, I just had I mean
allegedly allegedly.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I want to know both of you. What was your
first exposure to drag.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Well, my first exposure was probably when I was I
had to be like in middle school or something, and
I found Sherry Vine on YouTube. Really I love her,
and I showed all my friends the ship in my
Pants and the music video and they all I was like,
just PI saying, there's like watching it, and like so
excited to show them, and then they all at the

(05:37):
end be like, what what the fun was that? And
I was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen,
and they were just like, I think you need help,
Like that's fucked up. And I just knew from them
that that was that was the path for me.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But just how much I appreciate a drag race girl
understanding and knowing the beauty of the veteran queens like
Lady Bunny, like Sherry Vine, look like Coco Peru. I
think some of these new drag race guirls just don't
understand where drag comes from, yeah, and what it means
to be a drag entertainer. It's not just the gowns
that somebody else made for you.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
And at the time I didn't even know that it
was drag. I just knew that it was just so interesting,
just the whole art of whatever they were doing. And
I just watched Coco Peru and Jerry Vine endlessly on YouTube,
and then I found Hecklena and Peaches Yes, and then
I found Drag Race and then I was like, oh,
they have competitions for this. I had no idea like
that it was even that serious.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned Sherry because I think, like
you're we're about the same age. And then we were
both children of the Internet, so we were finding like
all the queens who were posting videos up on YouTube.
So like Sherry and Coco, I remember Kelly's shoes are
you familiar with? Oh yeah, Kelly shoes cheese. So that
the Internet, and then I grew up doing musical theater,

(06:48):
so obviously there were a lot of references that Dragon
musical theater. Lakaja Foll obviously was a big one for me.
I remember like Kinky Boots came out when I was
like in middle school. That was like very hot. So
I was just of exposed through drag through these different
avenues in theater and online, and I kind of put
it all together and I loved performing and I loved makeup,
and it just felt like something I could do very naturally,

(07:11):
So that was cool.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, so how.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Did you get into drag? And it's one thing, you
know looking at the videos, But what was that defining
moment that you're like, you know what, I'm going to
try drag?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I did for Halloween for a number of years.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's that's like the gateway.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think that was a gay love Halloween. Loved dressing up,
and then I went to school in LA and I
decided to try going out a few times in drag,
just for fun, seeing what it was like, and I
kind of I kind of accidentally fell into it. It was
the type of thing where like I was just dressing
up for fun, and I think that maybe people thought
that I was looking for bookings, because that's usually what

(07:47):
you normally do when you want to start drag, and
I think I was doing it a little less consciously
than maybe I had anticipated. And then I started falling
into gigs and I loved performing, so it kind of
came naturally to me to just do it again, but
in drag, so I felt like I kind of fell
and stumbled into it a little bit and then opportunities
to start piling up. And there's so many different little
pockets of drag across LA that going across all of them,

(08:10):
you could stay in a long time of just putting
yourself out there for the first time and introducing yourself
over and over and over to new audiences. And that's
kind of what I did for a few years until
the pandemic hit. What about You? I love that.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
I grew up in San Jose, California, in a very
homeschool conservative, religious like lifestyle. So anything gay that I
found I had to find on my own, kind of
like hi, yeah, I had to hide everything. And then
I ended up moving to North Dakota for college because
I was like, I'm going to buy a farm, I'm
going to find a Christian girl. It's could be my life.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well you have now, but there's still time.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yeah, And so then I after my freshman year, I
came out as gay, and I stayed in North Dakota
throughout my whole college and every school year basically I
was like, how can I graduate to be more gay
and more gay? And then by my senior year as like, well,
I feel like the graduation, like my my thesis is drag.
So then I found drag and I was like, I
just want to try it. I tried it. I went

(09:08):
out to a show for the first time. They had
a monthly show at the American Legion, and I, I mean,
it was insane because people the closest show was four
uner miles away, so like it would pack out. And
I've still to this day never made as many tips
in one night as I would make at that show
because they go crazy. And then I went to a

(09:28):
show just to watch it and they saw me and
they're like, you're too pretty to not be performing, which
was not true, and they were like, we need to
put you in. So he put me in the next
show and I was just like a monthly cast member.
And then I moved to New York to further the craft,
and then here we are. I mean, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I want to talk about your growing up. So you
were born into a musical family. Tell the audience, like,
what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (09:51):
So my dad's side of the family, they my g
I actually just got my grandma's piano that she bought
when she was nineteen years old, and I have my
grandpa's first guitar that he bought when he was twelve,
and they have been playing music their whole life, and
everything in their life revolves around like comedy, love and music.

(10:12):
Everything is about laughter, playing music together and being with
family and growing up. I'm telling you, from this time
they got up to the time they went to sleep,
they were playing music. It was always the first thing
they did when they get up and the first thing
they do when they go to bed, and they everything
just revolved around music. We had a guitar in my
hand before I could even walk. We like it was

(10:34):
just music all the time.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Now, how did you deal with this duality? Because music
is very free expression, it's very emotional. So you had
this going on, but then you had this conservative upbringing
and then you have this sexuality that you know is
a part of you. You would think all musical family
is going to be very open and gay.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Well it was bluegrass country music, so it was very
like grass can get pretty gay, look it can, but like, yeah,
it was very like everything was kind of like religious.
But they're also like a Midwest family. Half my family's
Midwest and half of its Southern, and so within that
it's just a lot of like we don't talk about
things like we just like to keep things light and
you push everything under the rug.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So what happened when you actually did come out.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Well, I was looking at a lot of my friends
who were coming out to their families and being like
pushed away and like like disowned, and the parents would
always use this argument of like either you're gonna be
straight or we're gonna disown you and you're never gonna
have family, and kind of giving them this ultimatum and
knowing that my parents loved me, I mean all parents
love their kids for the most part.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
And for the most part, but it's the assumption.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I'm like, what if we gave them the ultimatum? And
so when I came out to my parents, I was like,
I'm gay. My bag's packed. If you don't accept me
right now, I'm walking out the door and you'll never
talk to me again. And I mean it worked. So
they came around and they were like we'll figure it out,
and what we love you, we support you, we want
to be there. And then now, like my dad is

(11:59):
on the LGB ty board for his company. They work
Pride every year, they come to all my shows, like
they're like race, yeah, they like love everything, yeah, And
It's funny because people don't know that you have a
musical background too.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
When did you start playing piano?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I was eight.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, my dad played the guitar.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
And then he like, I don't even want to date
myself because I said, like, he bought a keyboard from
Circuit City, just like best.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Fine. I know, well I.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Got my first keyboard from my uncle in prison, who
couldn't have it anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So I didn't have a better story.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I'm gonna just steal that one, and that sounds way
better than mine. But yeah, he got like those little
dinky like forty keyboards, not even liketh of a piano,
and I was like, I just like picked it up
one day and then never looked back.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
But you can play everything from like Final Fantasy overtures.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, I got really last year. Yeah, I was very serendipitous.
Long story short, ended up. My piano teacher ended up
living around the corner for me, so I was able
to walk to lessons for over ten years.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
She taught me.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
She taught me like specializing in sight reading through this
girl of Sherwood is they teach at Juilliard and stuff.
So it was yeah, so I could just pick up
whatever and play it.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
At my house. We have my mom's piano. It was
her first piano she got when she was five years old,
and she'd played piano religiously her whole life. But that
piano sits sits up the house.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
I like piano.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm talking about arts and being part of our culture, Lorelai.
Theater is a huge part of your life. How did
you get into the theaters scene? And where was that division?
Because you're able to mess drag in theater now, but
there probably was a choice. It's like, am I just
going to be a stage person or am I gonna
go after being a drag quen?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah? I think that when I was growing on, my
mom was very into going to the theater, so she
would always bring me along, and I more than I
have two older brothers, and out of all the children,
I gravitated to theater the most, and I always enjoyed
being an actor. I think what it was, though, is
that I really enjoy like tricking people and I enjoy
being like an agent of chaos, and I think like

(14:00):
acting definitely is a part of that. And I do
enjoy like the technique of performing and all that, But
in my heart, I enjoy being disruptive, and what I
like about drag is that it feels like a formalized
performance that can be disruptive and it can change every
single time, and it's not something that needs to be
played the same every single time. I do think that

(14:21):
some drag queens, I feel like there's this like boomer
or this like this like belief that like drag queens
who are draguans who do theater, they're really theater actors
who weren't very good at doing theater, so then they
decided to do drag. And I never thought of it
that way. I really think as of myself as like

(14:42):
a theater artist, where drag is my medium, and I
use drag as a method of the storytelling, and I
appreciate it separately from like acting with a script or
like performing a song in a show. I feel like
drag has its own performance theory and it has its
own practice, and that's what excites me about it. So
that's kind of why gravitated to drag over just doing

(15:04):
like the commercial theater route, because I have a lot
of friends who live in Los Angele, Los Angeles as
fold actors, so everybody knows the commercial like acting route
and that just never really appealed to me. I liked
being an artist and I liked making my own thing,
and I enjoyed that about drag.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
There is an assumption though, like like I know that
Susie too has to deal with that's like, oh, she's
tap dancing again. It's like, but that's she's a theatrical talent.
But now we're seeing this on Broadway, where we're seeing
drag queens on Broadway, which is huge. So it was like, yeah,
there's validity there. And I think as a good drag
when you need to be able to perform in many
different mediums and we know theater is really really difficult,

(15:39):
it was fresh. But along with that assumption too is oh,
drag race girls don't really sing or when they release
a single it's either all wrapped kind of like you know,
it's not really singing, or it's all auto tuned. How
do you deal with that stigma? Because you are a musician,
I mean before you ever did drag, you are a musician.
We know that we know that you know how to sing,

(16:00):
you know, you know, you know how to play guitar,
you know how to how to songwrite. So how do
you deal with that kind of stigma. It's like, oh,
another drag race girl singing when that was always their first.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
I mean, for me, I think it's more internal. I
think that a lot of the girls who have come
before me on drag race, who released music for them.
For most of them, I should, at least from what
they say, drag comes first, and then music is also
a secondary passion of theirs, where for me, I always
knew from a young age that my path would be passion.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
I mean, and I love it apology anyway.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Passion and so quote the Peppermint. But no, so my
path I alway knew it was going to be music,
and I just didn't know how that path would go.
And then I found drag and I saw Tricksy doing
country music and drag, and I was like, she said
something where she's like, there's thousands of like men named

(17:11):
Brian doing country music, but there's one Trixie Mattel doing
country music. And that really struck a nerve with me
because I was already doing drag at the time, and
I was like, Oh, what if this is my path
to do country music? So music has always been my
number one and that was always my my like my
north Star. Then I found how to add drag to that.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Tell us about your debut album, like what should we expect?

Speaker 5 (17:37):
My debut album is called Hollywood Hillbilly. There is a
Kickstarter live.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right now, there's.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
A few days left, no, So it's called Hollywood Hillbilly
and it is kind of my love letter growing up
in California. I've always loved California. My it's always been here.
And then since living in LA, there's a lot of

(18:03):
controversy that people say, I'm not in an La queen.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I was gonna ask, where do you consider home? Because
you were born in San Jose, you studied in North Dakota,
then you really kind of grew into your skills in
New York, and now you're back in LA for like
four years.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Right, I've been here for three years now. By the
time I got on Dragrace, I was already for two years.
And everyone keeps still to this day. When I go out,
people come up to me and they're like, so, how
does it feel to finally be inn La girl? And
I'm like, I been here a girl. So this is
like my love letter to La, to California. Every song
has some kind of root in like whether it's lyrically

(18:35):
musically in LA and California and the history of it,
and so I'm really excited because it's like, also, country
music has a lot of roots in LA. There's a
lot of famous country music artists that have come out
of California, out of La. La is like the third
largest country scene in the country, and I think that
needs to be seen more. So that's kind of the

(18:56):
vibe of it. It's going to be rock and roll.
It's going to be a scene of the decades from
like fifties to current of like Sunset, Boulevard of Love.
It like everything, yeah, love it, love everything in La Laura.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like, let's talk about Project Drag. You are the winner
of this year's Project Drag. How many how many competitions
were there?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Was?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Like, how many weeks was there? Yeah, it was eleven weeks.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Eleven weeks so Los Angeles. Blaye was a guest judge.
We were there for your infamous night. I have to
set the scene. So the tension was high. I thought, oh,
a local drag competition, how cute? Nothing cute about this.
They were out for blood and I was a guest judge,
and I thought, all the judges. We were just gonna
be like, yes, yes, hahaa, I have a few drinks. No,
it was we got a heated debate because it was like,

(19:39):
you know, it was like there was one hundred thousand
dollars that stake on. There wasn't, but it had that
energy and it's you know, it was a really good,
fierce competition. Why were you in the competition, Simon? I
was it was really nice not in the debate. And
then they gave me all the ship stuff to say that, like,
because you're not a regular judge, so say the ship
stuff that nobody else wanted to say. I like the

(20:00):
third round, you'd be like Paula, yes, like but here's
the thing that had a cam on the judges And
I didn't realize that it was on the whole time.
So my friend was texting, he was like, do you
realize the faces you're making?

Speaker 5 (20:13):
I used I used to stand behind sorry, I used
to stand behind the judges, and people would also post
pictures of me being like, oh my, I look at
Acasia's face because like I would give some not to you,
but like and they were like, girl, you cannot stand
behind the judges anymore, and ever since. Then, I was like,
I need to find this somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's tough, but I saw things on stage that were
like show quality, big show quality. Yeah, the night I
was there, it was TV shows. I saw some really
great stuff. I saw some not great stuff too. But
you were smurfet You had backup dancers, you had the
blonde or the yellow wig, you had the outfit, you

(20:53):
had everything. Can you talk about that fatal moment?

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
So I was stressing up a Smurfette, And at this
point in the competition, I really wanted to win. I
already had one win and it's eleven weeks, so the
whole game is like trying to rack up as many
wins as you can before the finale. And I really
wanted to win. And I remember like crafting this performance,
being like this isn't a winning performance. If I can

(21:18):
nail this, this is a winning performance. And so I'm
out on stage and there's a little deck right in
front of the DJ booth, a little like it's like
a little panel of wood that you can definitely step onto,
and I had before in the competition, and so I
got up there to like kind of dance and I
was like shaking my ass and I started to feel
myself teeter off of this box and it was really

(21:42):
quind of quite cartoonish way. I teared on this box
for probably about ten seconds before I fall back.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I was gonna say, time stopped. And it was
like like in a movie, you see, because you were
doing this and I could see in your mind. Do
I grab onto the DJ stuff and live, yes, but
then you would have pulled all the DJ stuff up?
Or do I just fall back and hope for the best.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
And I remember just thinking like there was a moment
where I was like, I just have to let go,
and I just like it fell back. And so there
was the server down there who was serving food to
someone and he caught me. But I fell into someone's
like to Tazeki or whatever. First, So my first off
it has like a little bit Harisa on it.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
And then I like the collector's item now, but I got.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I mean you saw it. I got up and I
just kept going.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Because you're a show person. Yes, I show much go on.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean, it could have been worse, but I was lucky.
I was totally fine, surprisingly enough, and it was that way.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
The wag was huge well, and when you fell. From
our point of view, all we could see was the
heels in the air and was like yellow hair. It
was so comical. But there was that moment that we
didn't know what's gonna happen. I mean, looking back, it
was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Honestly, was kind of beautiful because you're playing a cartoon
and it was very Looney Tunes the way you were
like WHOA, just kept going forever and then it was
like that. It was very cartoony, and I like that honestly,
now that I think about it. That's where you meta.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's very like, it's very Laura Ling the sense it's
a very meta performance. Yeah, there's always like very certain
diffidous things that happened during the Laura like performance that
make it, like I feel that's very I agree.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So, but I have to talk about what was happening beyond, because,
like I said, every every evening was a full competition.
It wasn't like, oh, we're going to keep all this
stuff for the finale. I mean, U queens like brought it.
But you were doing that on top of touring around
the nation with the Taylor Swift Brunch Yes on the weekends,
and I mean around the nation. I don't mean like

(23:30):
oh Riverside, I mean like around the nation. How the
hell did you put all that energy into the competition,
leave for the weekend, come back and have to like
on a Monday at full time job, at a full
time job.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, it was quite It was stressful, but I think
that I, you know, Project Drag. I wanted to do
Project Drag for a long time.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's been around for thirteen years and.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
They only bring it back every few years. So since
our last winter before me, it was four years since
the last competition. So when it was announced, I knew
I had a lot going on, but I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna submit because I know that
I have something here, and worst case scenario, even if
I go home first whatever, I'm on this tour and

(24:12):
I could just go back to the tour and it's
not a big deal. So I kind of just kept
coming in every single week, not with the mindset of like, well,
this is the week I'm going to go home, but
more so just being like I don't know what's going
to come next week, and I'm just gonna take it
week by week and see how far I get. And
it took me all the way to the end, and
it took me to the win. And I think really
it was just about I had. I was very fortunate

(24:32):
with this opportunity with the tour that I was able
to basically double stack some incomes with like a full
time job and then this other drag job. So then
I was able to you know, outsource of work and
outsource responsibility. I had the help of like designers, and
I had the help of like set builders and prop designers,
and I just asked for help whenever I could. And

(24:54):
I was grateful for that because I've been doing drag
in LA for eight years and it was it felt
like the win for Project Dragon. I felt kind of
like a thesis of my eight years in Los Angeles
and using my network and using my leaning on my
community when I needed it, and they were there for
me and occasion included, you know, I mean a Casha
was there.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
She was there supporting all every week.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
I think I missed like one week.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah that was it.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
But I love when that happens, when you see drag
race girls supporting local because you were that local girl too.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I always say at my shows, because like it's it
almost sounds empty when queen, when your girls are like, oh,
support local drag and like every's so oversaid, but like
the way I always phrase it because it's truly what
I believe is these girls take the same amount of
time as I take to get ready. They put the
same amount of time, if not more time into their
drag as I do. Why are we not paying them

(25:41):
as much? Why are we not paying?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Like?

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Why are we not supporting them? Why are we not
going to these shows? Because they're doing basically the same
thing that we're doing. And many times I show up
to shows that I like travel around the country for
and these girls are running circles around me and I
mean still book me, I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Show.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
I'm just saying, like some of these girls they do
like flips and ship and all these things, and I'm
just like, they like break their back for their art
the same way that we do. So why why do
they not get the same support as we do?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Lord? Like, what's what's the thought of local queens towards drag?
Was drag wasays we need to do something vocal exercise.
But I know, like maybe five years ago, there was
just this like division and animosity towards like oh well,

(26:33):
they're getting rid of the local queens to make room
for this week's drag Race girls. Also, it was like,
I have to be on drag Race to be a
drag queen. And I think that that idea has shifted,
has it not?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I agree? I think that I think that in these
later seasons of Drag Race there's a lot more like
equity between like local girls and girls who like go
on the show and then come back into these communities.
I can only speak from my own personal experience, and
I've lived in Los Angeles and I've seen drag Race
over many years while living in Los Angeles. My experience
is that usually once girls do drag Race, if they

(27:05):
move anywhere, they usually want to move to Los Angeles always.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's that's the thing. And so I can see how
that can be, how that can build a little resentment.
It's like, hey, I've been making it here for years
and years, and then you come in because you were
on a few episodes sometimes and now you know your
bookings for the next year are taken care of. That
has to not feel good.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Sometimes, Yeah, it's a little top it's definitely it makes
the scene definitely a little bit more competitive, but At
the same time, I think that we're kind of coming
into a new generation of drag with that are so
much younger crowd, and they're really interested in the hosts
who are hosting like every week in West Hollywood, and
they go to these nights and they enjoy the community aspect,
and they're getting to see each other. I think it's
because they're maybe just so often like at home or

(27:44):
on their phones or something. I think that they're really
gravitating to see each other in person and they're getting
We're getting back into a spirit of being like very
protective of the space and everything like that, which I
think is really good. And I think that drag race
girls are coming in and they're respecting that and they're
like they're like ascertaining like who the local girls are
and like, you know, because there is kind of a
little bit of a social hierarchy within the drag scene,

(28:08):
you know what I mean, just on a million factors,
including like if you're a part of any drag family,
how long you've been doing drag, if you have any titles,
all that matters. And I think that what's happening now
is people were really starting to take pride in that
identity here in Los Angeles, and I think that we
see drag race queens coming into Los Angeles and respecting
that a little bit more and respecting those dynamics and

(28:29):
letting those queens who have you know, work their way
up like cash in on some of those opportunities as well.
You know, when a drag race girl comes and does
like a big show over at Beaches Tropic Canada, we
get like local girls that also get up on stage
with them and perform alongside them. When Akasha came into
you know, fat Slot in Los Angeles, in downtown with.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
A precinct, save precinct.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Hello, save precinct, by the way, you know, she was
performing alongside like every other local queen that gets booked
for that show. And I think that we're starting to
get to like an equal in that.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
And also I think it's really cool to see how,
like especially in elast and who almost all of the
regular shows, the weekly shows are all local girls. And
you see, you do, like she was saying, you see
so many drag race girls going out and supporting me shows.
But it's not like that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
You notice who doesn't go out and support some of
the shows too.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Oh that is true.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oka.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
That is there's some people. There's some queens that I
was like, they live in Los Angeles what.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I've seen, and you know, like there's so many drag queens. Yes,
but the drag circle is very small. Do not bring
your bridges and people talk. So if you act a
full backstage, everybody's gonna know. Yeah, and I've heard of
these dras yes, yeah, yeah, when they're like, oh, I
need my own space and separate from Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Think a lot of places have a lot less patience nowadays.
I mean because there are now been a substantial amount
of root girls. They're like, well, why are you acting
this way?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of other options we can choose from.
So it's like, if you are to have an girl,
don't make me called pork chop.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's like you're number four hundred and thirty five out
of five hundred. Relax.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Literally, Michael's down the street.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
She will kind of.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeh, she don't make show up, show out and kind
of it okay and not remember that.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I love her to death. It was fresh, okay,
our first hot topic. And if you want to, you know,
option out because you know, whatever has the drag race
franchise gotten too big? Is there too much drag Race

(30:42):
right now? So there's usually all stars, there's usually a
foreign when was the last time we had a break? Addition,
lo and so a lot of people are comments used
to be passionate ways drag Race Ethiopia coming to But

(31:05):
is there such thing as too much as an implosion
of of the drag Race franchise? Is it eating itself?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
I think that the answer is no, Okay, because I
think that with all the different I don't personally watch
all the franchises, but I think because you have.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
A life with well, I mean you have to literally
watch TV twenty four.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Well as I watched Big Brother live streams twenty four
hours a.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Day, did you tack guys bulge? Which one are they
gonna do?

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I feel they're gonna end up having like a like
a you remember you just have like MTV where they
play music videos all day long.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
They're just gonna have a channel that's just gonna be.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
They already have really like channel.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I was on Fire TV. There's a drag race and
it just plays it twenty four of them.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, but I think it is important to have all
these different drag races because in a lot of these
smaller countries you might think, like drag Race Belgium, you like,
how many seasons can they really.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Have a draw.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
But then it's like it does open the door for
different people who like I might not be watching it,
but someone out there is watching it. And there might
be someone who might be from Belgium. But then now
they live in like who knows where, and they see
it like, oh my god, this could be me. One
day I go back and I can actually have a
chance at drag Race. And so I think it is
beneficial for someone somewhere. I don't think that person's me,

(32:23):
but I think that I do. I don't think there's
too much drug race.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
I think that visibility is important because I mean, I mean,
look at what we're having right now, we were just
having a marriage equality being attacked, So the visibility, obviously
we still need it. It might seem like a lot to
us because we're inundated, we're in the community, we see
it a lot, but like people outside our community probably
don't see as much as we do being inside of it.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Plus the next top models allowed to take up as
much space as they do, why can't we Yeah, why
can't drag race.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
But I think it's just at the end of the day,
is so important because we're still having all of our
rights challenge, We're probably going to get our marriages taken away.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Like who knows what's gonna happen. But yeah, and you
have to say, like my grandma's first experience with the
queer community was a drag brunch because it's so fun,
it was so welcoming. Also, does your mom at drag brunch? Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Do you think every fan of like X Factor watches
every country of X Factor?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
There's like there's like American Idol, it's not necessarily all
funny Got Talent. Got Talent has every country.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
It's like it's like all those reality shows.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
But there's also another side to that though, are they
diluting the product? Such as are the challenges tired? Now?
You know how many bad snatches? Did you hear that
next season it is gonna be the first season that
they're not going to have a ballroom challenge?

Speaker 5 (33:42):
I did see that. Honestly was my season because.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah, next season apparently that one of the nausis they
made is the next season is gonna be the first
season you guys.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Do Okay, to be fair, if they swayed the ball,
we did not. We fucked up the.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah, there's no balls next season they castrated them.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Carated. Iuded with that passionate about dragway, but feel but
I also feel like maybe some of the judges are
a little tired. The jokes are becoming a little tired.
I mean, is it are they eating its own product?

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think this my season was very interesting because I
think I'm interested to see where it goes for season eighteen.
Because my season was the first season that we were
so meta where almost all the girls on the season
were so young that their only exposure to drag was
Drag Race, so all their references were drag Race, And
it was the first season where it was like drag
Race within drag Race. So I think that it's almost

(34:52):
a rebirth for the drag Race uh image.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I think drag in general is it's always evolving, so
it's always relevant. And because it's always relevant, it'll always
have a place like where people are going to be
wanting to watch it because like there's so many like
episodes where there's something that's doing something that's relevant to
the time, that's happening at that time, especially like the visually, artistically,
culturally whatever, like there's always something like so I feel

(35:16):
like drag, like drag Race will still continue regardless.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I feel like I feel like.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Drag Race has it used to be like the cutting
edge of drag, and I don't think it's that anymore. Really.
I think that, like, I think that it has given
an avenue for like a lot of other mediums to
pick up drag and give it a platform for it.
And I think we're when I when I think of
like Queen's going on Broadway and doing like really like
insane shit on Broadway with like the stuff that I

(35:42):
see on drag Race almost feels like elementary and it's frustrating.
Then like watching like another season of like a bad
Snatch game, No shade, I love your season.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I'm sorry, you're right next to me. No they didn't.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
They didn't, aver Paul said, but it was historically bad.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
It was really bad.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Better there was.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's but I quit.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's like I feel like they It's interesting that what
you said about your season about how everyone is so
young and how it's so meta, because I also feel
like that was reflected in the casting of the show
where I feel like they're starting to rely a lot
more on these like family ties, so like Sam Starr
being related to Trinity or.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
That's not like American Ida went into like everyone had
to have a sob story for them to be like
you hear.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
That piano come in, You're like, oh God.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
But it's the it's the post modern era of Drag
Race where they no longer have like they can't tread
the water of like figuring out like who is relevant
during a single season.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
It's a curated storyline to like they need.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
To think about the storylines that they're producing. And I
think that they're looking at the people that have already
been on the show and being like, how can we
keep these families, how can we keep these likes coming
in Race franchise.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Because they also have built him social media following, and
then they need to see who's mimable, who's gonna give
us the catch up? They're gonna be like, oh, so
and so is your drag daughter.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Oh I have to support them because I love this one,
this Drac queen already.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Now, Lord, like, how important is it for you to
be on Drag Race? Because that used to be like
everybody's number one bucket list thing. Is that a part
of your dream?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Is? I mean, I would love any opportunity to showcase
my drag on like a huge platform. Drag Race is
an option always. I don't feel it necessary for me
to be a successful drag queen. I think there are
definitely some drag queens who their only avenue to success
will be being on drag race, right. I'm not one
of those drag queens. I really believe in my vision

(37:43):
and I really believe in what I do, And even
if it's gonna take me like years and years and
years and years and years and years to get there,
then I'll be the oldest bitch there and I'll be
doing it, do you know what I mean. It's like,
I really believe in myself in that sense, and something
like drag Race is a golden ticket into the industry.
It is an opportunity for like a lot of eyes
to be on you as I look at the camera

(38:04):
over there. I am just grateful for any opportunity to
showcase my craft. But I know in my heart of
hearts that I know what I'm doing and I have
a thesis behind what I'm doing. And I just take
it day by day. And that was how I felt
during Project drag and it got me there. So who knows.

(38:25):
I think I.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Would I think, what do you think you think okay
with drag Race? I mean I think you would kill
drag Race. I think you have I think you have
that like the like I mean, this is the best
way possible. I think you have that like freak mentality
that like takes it back to like old school ru Paul,
old school like that like that weirdness that RuPaul loves,

(38:47):
I think is what you have. But you also have
the glamour, you have the experience, you have the talent
to back it up. And honestly, I love like what
you were saying about how you feel without drag Race,
because that's exactly how I felt before I like applied
for this last season. Was I was like, if I
never get drag Race, I think I'll be okay. And
I finally got to.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
That I don't need this. That's a growing sentimental.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
And like what I was doing in country music in
the LA scene, I was like, I feel very comfortable
with what I'm doing and like where my trajectory is
going if I have drag Race. I would love that opportunity,
but I don't think I need that, and that's exactly
how I felt. And then releasing I felt like releasing
that expectation is what brought it to me.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, then we have to look at the success of
the Little Show That Could Dragula. It started off as
a YouTube show. The second season they had to fund
through go fund me and they did it. Then they
went to AMC shutter, I mean, and the show has
really taken off, and that's given a whole voice. King
of Drag is a new competition show. You were at

(39:47):
the premiere again you supporting drag Kings.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
And oh my god, I love that show. It was
so good.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah. What do you think it was about your audition
tape that got you booked for.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
I think it's a few things. One I listened. I
texted Magami one day, who's one of my friends from
before she was on Drag Race, and I was like, like,
what do you what do you do with these rules?
Would you with all these things? And she was like,
don't listen to it, just do you?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Just do you?

Speaker 5 (40:15):
And so I did that, and I think within that,
I I think there was a few like director points
that I added in there, the way I structured it
that I think helped me. But I think the biggest
thing was the difference of my approach to drag doing
country music. And I was like, I don't want to
be doing gay bars.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
I don't want to.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
I mean, I want to book me.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
My favorite there's a gay bar order with a lisp,
but you are not being and I love them so much.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
I was like, at the time, it was like my
passion was country music, and I was performing in all
these these straight dive bars in drag with the band
doing country music. And that's why Ellie never heard of me.
It's because they're not going to this dive bar and
fucking Topanga Canyon to see me perform music. There's they're
only staying within WIHO and so me explaining that to

(41:12):
the producers through my tape being like, I want to
take drag to dive bars, I want to do music.
I want to take it to the grand ole opry,
like I want to take it to a place that
no one else is taking it, no one else is
trying to take it. And I think that and as
well as my sobs, I was like, I think the
SOB story. I know, it's like it feels so like that,
it feels like it makes me feel guilty to say,
but like the SOB story of like what is the

(41:34):
thing that the tragic thing that makes you you? And
explaining that to them, And I think I have a
very unique story that I don't think they've they've never
seen before. So I think that also helped so find
the unique where's my camera? Find where she find? Find
the unique tragedy in your life that has really disrupted

(41:57):
you and just sell it to the camera. That's all
you need.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
We all have that tragedy.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, it's all and everyone has something.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, I feel this is my sat is all over again.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
I would want to that was another tragedy all I
don't know s at Okay, I talk about the why
do you think I went to North Dakota because I
couldn't get in any world?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay, I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I don't want to say it, but now I want
to drag you.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yeah, drag you. Oh, they would never take me. They
would have never taken an essay. I had what's the
SAT score average score like eleven hundred. I think I
had like three hundred. It was like humiliating.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I think your name is five hundred. It was.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
It was humiliating, and that's why I went to North
Dakota because they don't give a shit about test scores there.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I'm going to talk to you both about the feminine
and masculine energy that you bring to your drag, but
also how it has affected you in personal life. Loralai,
you used to have a mustache, no, but that was
playing with the masculine feminine energy and you, coming from

(43:06):
a very conservative men were supposed to be like you.
We're gonna have a farm and have the wife and
the overalls. There's these expectations and these norms that both
of you have kind of like crumbled. But how how
did it play a part in your personal life dealing
with I'm supposed to be a man, I have these
feminine qualities or energy. How did that affect your personal

(43:27):
life and how is it meant for you to be
able to explore that through your dreg. I never really.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Felt like it compromised my masculinity because I feel like
when I'm in drag, I don't really feel as I
look like this. I don't really set out to.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
You never looked more feminine I will say it is highly.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Is covered up. That's when I look for those feminis.
But like I know, has lots of different ways to go,
and one of them is a female impersonation. And I
never felt that I was like a female impersonator, and
I never felt like the type of drug that I
was doing was that of impersonating a woman in particular.

(44:09):
I always felt like, you know, I'm just an exaggerated
feminine person. But well, you know, once I got out
of drag and stuff, you know, these are real nails
that I have attached to my hand that I like
walk around with with like in my day to day
like a normal life. Yeah, like when I get out
of Dragon like ooh, sorry, just touched. Sorry, when I
get out of Drag, these are still in my hands.

(44:30):
So I like to kind of like allow that to
be a fluid thing for myself. And I don't really
judge it, and I don't you know, it's a little
difficult for maybe like dating or something like that, but I.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Find like that's our next topic. By the way.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Oh well, the guys that I fuck like that, so
they don't really mind it. But I don't know, what,
do you feel the same way.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Before I had my boyfriend, I would never put drag
in my profile of anything because I felt like it
was like frowned upon. Because when I lived in NORTHA,
I had a boyfriend who we watch all anything drag
we watched together. We watched you know back in the
day when they were eliminated, they would do like a
makeup tutorial. They would all these the watch pack and
all those things. We would watch all of it. We watched.

(45:12):
I mean, we don't watch it anymore, but we used
to watch Jeffree Starr, like James Charles, like every Yes canceled.
We don't watch anymore. I would pay, but like we
watched every like make up anything, everything, drag, everything, everything.
And I started doing drag and it became a very
like he was like, don't touch me when you're in drag.

(45:32):
He barely came to my shows.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
And I've heard this very often.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
And he and every time I would like try to
like kiss him or anything when I was in drag,
because like obviously I thought he was my life. He's
like don't He's like, don't kiss me, don't touch me.
I'm not dating a woman. The fact that he thought
I looked like a woman at that time. Is honestly,
I saw videos. My best friend from college just came
and visited. She showed me some of the videos from

(45:58):
my drag dress. I did not look like a woman,
so very flattering. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
But wait a minute, I do have to say, though,
when you're in drag you are gorgeous. Well now, so
hung out with you seven years ago. No, we were
roaming in the streets of San Diego. You were in
your little manly booty shorts. Yeah, I mean there's quite
a difference between you as a boy.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
So yeah, well, thank you. Well me saying thank you
for my booty shorts, it was fresh. Well, talking about
like your your question about like masculinity and feminity and
balancing that something that I really take pride in, which
I think is very different to the normal view on

(46:37):
drag is. I really like the difference of the binary
and I like feeling very feminine when I'm in drag,
and I like feeling very masculine when I'm out of drag,
and I don't like to blur those lines at all.
And even on Drag Race, when I showed like my
hairy butt in drag that was so hairy.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
The rest of you is not Harry.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Maybe the rest of me is very hairy. I like
I shave, I mean, I shave everything. I mean I
am on a I am on on a armpit hair
growing journey right now, which means everything has to have
sleeves if I want to feel the feminine fantasy, which
is great for the summertime. I mean, I chose it.
I chose the perfect timing. But like, I really love

(47:20):
that that binary which most people they they love the
androgyny of drag, and I like the binary of drag.
I like feeling and with with I feel like with
my drag persona, it's like I like feeling very feminine,
but like a drag I don't feel like that like
I'm giving woman. It's like a dragged out woman, you

(47:41):
know what I mean. Like it's like like I don't
I'm not giving, like oh I'm giving fish, Like oh
I'm trying to like serve.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
No, it's like a persona. It's like Dolly Parton to me,
is not a woman. She's she's a persona.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
And and that's exactly what. Yeah, yeah, she's she's wading.
My car should get up. I didn't forget to leave
the car. Probably sweating.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
There's a few other things to get to and I
know that we're running out of time. LORELEI heading to
Sydney Fringe is huge.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yes, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Are you nervous? No? Your voy's gotten super It's a confidence.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I feel like, I feel excited in honor to like
bring like a theater piece.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
That I you won that scholarship from the Hollywood French Yes,
are you familiar? Hello? Hello? Yeah, it's a huge honor
for audience that doesn't know Hollywood Fringe or any French festival.
It's a huge honor. But you can't just be like, oh,
look what I did. No, it has to be.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I try to put quality into what I do. And
I'm excited that it got selected. And yeah, I am nervous.
It's gonna be interesting to see, like what Australians think
of me. What if they don't like the fact that
I don't course it all the time, or the fact
that I only wear whatdedge hip pads, they might be
really upset about that.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
I mean, I have I love drag Race down Under.
I don't think they're gonna be upset. I think I
think they're gonna love I've been been to Sydney and
I think I think you have a great time there.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
No, I think you're gonna kill.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
They like they yeah they Yeah, Sidney would love like
alternatives there.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
But here's the thing. More projects that go to French
festivals like Baby Reined. Here was the hottest show that
came from a failed fringe festival appearance. We really yeah,
his show was a failure when when he first did it,
it was like what do you like? Yeah, and it
became a huge show on Netflix.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Oh my god. Me on drag Race, it was a
huge failure.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
And sore, like what what can Sidney fringe is? Is
it sablam?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
So is our podcast in the show.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But it was based on something that you had done before,
right Yeah, So my co.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Us on shipblam Annie, we used to host you have.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
To say it like this blam yeah head.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
My face always does have an exclamation, has that effect
when you read it. But my friend and I antibiotics,
we used to host drag shows together. So the show
that we wrote this theater show. It's called Queen out
Verb and it's kind of a vaudeville style show about
a drag bar that gets threatened by oil executives who

(50:31):
want to build a build a fracking drill over these
two drag queens is home gay Bar. So that's what
the show is about. And it's like an hour long absurd,
dark comedy and so for if anyone in city Australia
is listening, you can expect shenanigans and antics and also
a little bit of heart.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Or if you own a theater book book the show.
Oh yeah here in the US.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, we're you know, we're also always commissioning. We're writers.
So if you have an idea for a play or something,
you know, let us know. We're open to that. But yeah,
we're really excited about it. And if anyone's listening they
want to see the show, contact your local regional theater
and see if you can get us in there.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And both of you are traveling the nation all the time.
You have gigs, Like I look at your Instagram and
like oh, because I'll text you like hey, you want
to do happy ho are You're like, oh, I'm in
this state. I'm like whatever, Okay, now I'm sorry, I've
hour for hours. Yeah I know, I'm always happy and
it's every hour and lour like you've been traveling with
with a Taylor Swift show, which is huge. I have

(51:29):
to know, drag on the road, you're in a separate town.
You know you're the star of the weekend because you're fresh.
What kind of shannannigans are happening on the road or
are you good?

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I'm just here to work, and.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
I mean personally for me. When I go on the road,
I have like a routine where I land, I get
to my hotel and greater and then I like, don't
go to bed until I get on the wait. I
want to see everything. I want to see a museum.
I want to see the city. I want to go party.

(52:06):
I want to kiss a boy. I want to do
anything that I can in the city, and I want
to see it all. I want to go to every
gay bar. I want to stay there till it closes.
I like, I don't Everyone's like, oh, I need to go,
I need to rest before the gig. Now I go
out and I stay out. I'm all about partying.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I love it. Do you have gentlemen over to your
hotel room?

Speaker 5 (52:27):
I mean maybe.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (52:33):
I mean I mean when it went in town, I mean,
if it happens, it happens. But like I'm I'm down, Definitely,
I think that's our time.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I gotta go.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I have a happy hour to get to.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But I'm the same. You know, we did a gig
in San Diego. It's just I was like, I must
want to go out and I want to see everything.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Yeah, one the next time, I'm going to be an Elpaso.
I want to see it all. I want to party
until the bar is closed and then I want to
go to brunch. I want to get drunk before you
get on my plane.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I always want to go to the stories.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Scue me. I'm gonna tie me up. I'm gonna sometimes
I'll do like three gigs in a weekend, or like
I did like World Pride World Pride in like six nights.
I got a total of eight hours of sleep and
I ate and sashed, but I ate half of a
breakfast burrito in that timeframe and it was like the
best week. And I just love to like I just

(53:35):
want to see it all.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I just want to do.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Everything and then I'll come home and I'll recover.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, I'm the same way. I like to see everything.
I like to like I'm a big like learner. I
like to like see like what people are doing. I
want to do like as the locals do.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Are you hooking up though? Are you on? Are you
on the apps when you travel? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Okay, I'm hooking up when I can. Okay, some cities
are flowed, so.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
You always can, they're not when you.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Can.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Should I?

Speaker 5 (54:02):
That's not the See My question is not should I?
It's can I? What can I fit into this timeframe?
Not oh, should I do this? Should I do that?
It's how much can I do right now?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
But in some of these cities, the boys are top
in some of these cities, and you know.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
What, sleep with them and get the story, get the
soil to be there's like a thousand men two feet
away from you. Yes, to go to Sacramento, go to Ohio,
go whatever. And it's like nearest person is twenty six
miles and they'll still drive, but they don't have all
their teeth.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
I went to college in one of those places north
and then this guy I've had men message me from
like fifty miles away, being like I can be there
in like an hour and a half. Can can you
have me? And I'm like no, But then I'm also
like maybe something now I'm especially like, oh, you can
be here an hour and a half, just enough time.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I could watch two because it's a drag race Ethiopia.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Or I can have two people before you. I can't.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I can.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
I can line them up.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Like just just like that in hell.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But also, you know what, I got a girl if.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
I had a nickel. You know what.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I love the gay community.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I don't remember what the hell.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Well, girl, you're dressed, you're gonna rob me. You're a
dressed as a robber.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You have your Robert ever though every robber you and.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Oh no, wonder you don't sleep on the people. I
have been robbed many times by many people, and they've
always looked like this.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
It only took once for me, and I'm like, okay,
now I know you put everything away before.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Oh I've been robbed the girl, I haven't robbed. I've
been robbed dumb point before. Oh no, not grinder, but
like I've been yeah, gun point Andy.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Okay. We have so many other questions, but we need
to do our little pop culture round up. Stephen Taylor,
are you ready? Yes, exactly can you, mister t There
we go. It's trying for hot topics on the rocks

(56:27):
with Alexander better pour yourself a nuts. This is hot,
It's really hot.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
That's hot.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
True story in a corner drinking. We finally achieved this.
We've been we've been trying it for ten years now.
All right, what's happening pop culture?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Was?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Well, I forgot to talk about movies because this is
actually has has been a summer of movies finally, finally. Yeah,
it feels like we finally have like an array of
movies that so many people have been wanting to see
or just like just one after the other.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
But remember summers were always for blockbusters. Why are you lefting?

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Oh, because I probably have not seen it.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
You probably have not. So like a hotel, you're busy.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
You're lining them up, okay, like lining them up right,
like yeah, yeah, yeah, ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
I'm like, I'm texting my grander hook as I'm like,
can you meet me in the movie heater? I'm about
to say twenty eight years later?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Please, we have twenty years twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
It'll be through four people by then. But no, So
we're talking about like movies and having this song. We
had Jurassic World, me Birth, we got Bailey Johampson, everything. Yep,
love them. The we got Superman, we got Fantastic Four,
we got Naked gunn and Comedy, we got Slapstick Comedy again, which,
by the way, how adorable is Pamela Anderson and Liam Niece's.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Like nobody could have ever protected that. That's the craziest
matchup I have ever seen the mine and it's so cute.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Like it's like every time I see like a little
posts on on like Twitter, because I refuse to call
it anything else, I'm just like I had to listen.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
To they like really have affection for each other. You
can tell bread and deserves to just have a good
time with everything he's been through.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
See, my family was a very big fan of the
original Naked Gun and I have watched that movie at
least twenty times because my parents would watch it all
the time.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Hilarious. Yeah, Judge, judging.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
By the female role in that movie, Pamela Anderson is
if you're doing like an older version of that, she
is the person who seeing her, I was like, this
is exactly who needed to be.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
It was it was because it was a perfect callback.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
But then having you know our nineties heart throb, you
know Pamela Anderson, you know that she was.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
The first Playboy I ever bought, the only one I've
ever seen. I still haven't. Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
I was on like the premiere straight podcast.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Bront but we got the naked gun. I know what
you did. Last summer did well as well? We did
already came home. Yeah, oh yes, and it did well.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
It did like like like we're not even talking about like,
you know, we have Fantastic Four, which is about to
hit like five hundred million. You got Superman that's hitting
about six hundred million dressed dress.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, but Jurassic World is about hitting eight hundred million.
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
That's all happened in June. So you're having like nearly
two billion dollars worth into the movie theaters.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Are you guys actually fans of superhero movies?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Though I'm not, I am. I am a comic nerd
for sure. You you, I mean you.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
It's not that you look like a comic nerd. You
look like a comic book. But so I feel like
you were, like I feel like you would like superheroes.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I can see the superpower from here.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Oh my god, well all I see his table.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
But here's the thing, people were not studying. Four guys later,
I'll tell you fuck guys. They named it after me.
I'm passionate about my hand bookse No, but people were
not spending money going out to movies. Because so the
people are now doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Yeah, and they're and they're and the thing is is
like they're spending money, but spending money. But the thing is,
there's so many good movies I've been coming out in
a row that the second week it falls off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Are they good?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
They are?

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
I think the movies that I've been coming out of
and really like great quality for their genre. I mean, Liam,
you know, Nigga Gun Slaptick Comedy is back. I'm really
excited for scary movies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
They're coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
They're bringing back in a Feris and we have the
brothers are writing again. I think it's going to be
super appropriate for the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
But we need it right now. We just need to
be silly and we just need to lie. We need
good film.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
But you know that the one thing about recessions and
when the you know, the economy and government, that ship goes,
that goes to ship. We get really good art, we
get really good film, we get really good television.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Because at this point, like what is there to lose. Yeah,
you know, it's like that's why I feel like there's
so many risks to take in art, and that's when
you get the best art because it's like, oh, well,
at this point, what do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Nothing? Nothing, So let's just throw it out there. What
I love though, because Hollywood is just not leaning on
like reboots, so we have a mix. Jurassic Park is
obviously an old franchise, Naked Gun is obviously an old franchise,
but we have new material that's very minded. Like weapons,
we got weapons. We got uh yeah, so like what
was the other way that we had to get together?

(01:01:26):
We got more body horror. I think the horror genre.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Has been taking over the industry, not even just in
film but video games. We got like Silent Hill, like
we got Resident Evil. We got lots of like horror
that has been taking over the genre and being really
really good at it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
But this has been a record summer for box office
money right well, especially for horror.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Like we got Sinners. Sinners was already breaking records. Blue
Crass music, Yeah, Megan Megan's that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
Was a huge I don't know if that because that
was that already out that well, because I went.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Into it on DVD down the street right now, So because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I did not knows I love the first make it
because it went from the second it went from horror
to sort of like more common.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
That was like an action.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, it wasn't the same, which is fine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Like if you liked that, you didn't like the transflag
bob that she wore in that one scene. Did you
notice that? See I, But you didn't even notice that.
I bet you even knowed that she was wearing a
transplant bob.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Sure I would have if I saw the film.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Okay it was fresh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Now, Okay, I know this is old news because I
looked up yesterday to see twenty eight years later and
today was the last day to see in theaters and
I did not make it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
But it didn't make the cut because I didn't want
to see it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
But then someone told me there was a giant eight
penis in the movie, and I was like, I kind
of want to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
It's silly, and Murphy he just was like, all right,
but it's not even his own penis, so he's in
it again, Yeah he was. I didn't see. We all
thought it was a zombie in the preview.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
So ever, I have never seen the show, but my
boyfriend's a huge fan, so we watched twenty eight days
later and twenty eight weeks later yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
It's a great film, yeah, twenty eight weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
I'm not the biggest fan. But anyways, and so now
I'm like, I really want to see it, but I
want to see it in theater. But today was the
last day. And now I'm like, really sad because I'm
gonna streaming.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Parker is already streaming it is it is, but but
well not streaming in the sense like you can just
watch it anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You have to buy it to pay twenty bucks. Yeah, yeah,
to rent it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Or I watched twenty eight days later on not sponsored
Pluto TV, and those ads fucking killed me. It's horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I'm not even geared towards us.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
It was it was like slot machine ads and it
was twenty minutes of them commercials.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
I'm still really confused why like it still is to
rent and to buy it is still the same price.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Well, let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Why is it still like twenty bucks to rent it?
And because nobody really wants to talk on the New Jurassic.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
But like, if you're going to spend twenty bucks on it,
then why not I just own it? But like, why
do we have the rent option? If it's literally going
to be just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
But there's a post a post apocalyptic penis.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
In it, I will talk because it's all the sound
you get. You can literally just google just Lily, Google
Google Google penis.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
From twenty eight years later, and then you'll fake there's
a postal poka.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
If there's a post apocat penis on it, I will
pay for I will pay to buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
And I will just yeah, I mean to send it
to you for free.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I can literally just screenshot it, Okay, screenshot and
send it to me and I won't charge hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
And then you know, I said a hundred I could
rent it for cheaper. Baby. But I think we're getting
it is that the trend is that people are spending
money to go back into the theater, which I think
was great because theaters should movies should be seen on
a big screen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, and that's what it's been nice this summers that
we've actually had like like week after week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
June was crazy. I mean we literally had you know, Superman,
but we also had Mission Impossible that came and left
and nobody remembered that. That was before that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
That was months months and before that was before summer.
But like when summer happened, would say, like June we
had like that's when we had the get array of
just like five six movies one after the other. They
were all really good quality movies for the genre that
they were in. You know, like three of them made
over five half a billion dollars. That's a ton of
fucking money. And then you have these independent films that

(01:05:31):
are doing small budget films that are still get making
a lot of money. Weapons July Summer Together, Liam Naked Gun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
When was the last time that you went to a theater?

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Did last week? I went to go see Together? I
have amc Like, did you like the theaters?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
That wasn't Dave Franco's real Pinos? Sorry, I know, but
he was a cutie in that he's cuting everything he does. Yeah,
I just but like she was this acting all around him.
She's his life in real life. I know, we all yeah,
but she has actually all over him. What was the
last movie you went to see?

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
This sounds so this is humiliating, but that the last
movie that I wasn't invited to that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
You just showed up as a premiere that I.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Wasn't invited to was honestly, Oh no, I did pay
to go see Wicked. Before that is probably a year ago,
and before that is probably five years before that that
I went to the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Is it because you're traveled or because sound the guys
lined up? She has the guys lined up? She won.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
I don't think movies now are as original as they
used to be. And I don't like a remake except
for the naked gun I really into because that was
like very nostalgic for me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
And it's also not even a remake. He's supposed to
be the son of Leah Leslie Nielsen's character.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Oh, I'm not into like the I don't like the
the live actions I don't like. I just think I
don't know. And I'm also like a binge eater, and
like I'm a binge eater and the popcorn gets me
every time, and then I leave feeling so sick, and

(01:07:14):
I just can't keep doing that. Like every week.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You are a wealth of knowledge. I mean, I am
who I am, And.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
I will go see Wicked Part two when it comes out,
and then after that, who knows the next time we'll
see me. I will say that, actually, the summer has
been there's been the most movies that I've wanted to see,
and I considered getting it a list to get just
to see it, just to see them, because before this summer,
every summer, just every year everything, I don't really care
about any of these movies. And this is the year that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
That was the entire point, that's the point of my
my pop culture report, is that this is the first
summer we've had in a long time. We've had an
array of quality movies that everyone's really enjoyed, and the
money has shown that. Yeah, like we've all gone out
of the sea, but the AMC list is gold. That
would have been if you had before this this run

(01:08:10):
of summer, then it would have been worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
All right, Thank you Stephen Doller for pop culture. We
are out of time, but there's just certain things that
we need to ask you about. What in a nutshell
what's the podcast about? And you guys are off season
right now. You guys ended season two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
We're off season right now. Blam is a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I told you have to say it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I told you Slam. You telling me how to say
my own podcast. I know it's not funny, that's crazy,
but it's a podcast. We we we get down to
the bottom of lifestyle, we get down to the uh,
to the bottom of philosophy of life, to the bottom
of culture, and we bring you all along for the ride.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
It's really fun because you think, oh, it's just you know,
sassy queens, but it's it's it's more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
We like we take a topic each week and we
deep dive on the topic until we should lam. Yeah,
so what stop exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
How can we contribute to your kickstart?

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
You can first of all, follow me my on Instagram.
I need followers and I love attention. Yeah, you can
line yeah, follow me there a case forgot, and then
on my kickstart if you literally go to kickstart and
type in a cash forgot, type in Hollywood, Hillbilly, any
of those buzz words. You can donate. I have different
things different like levels of donation, and I mean nothing

(01:09:30):
goes without like I'm not a prize, but like a
gift or whatever. There's things like custom merch that will
never be made again. You can like custom guitar picks, bandanas.
You can get like uh CDs of the album when
it comes out. You can get vinyls of the album
when it comes out, you can get even more like

(01:09:50):
personalized things. There's all different levels, so you can donate
to that and then that will be coming out, be
rolling out at the later this year with the first single.
I'm also going to be I'm starting this new web
show because I'm very I have a lot of family.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I do have time for all.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
I don't know, I don't really sleep and I so
I have a lot of family history in La. I
have my grandpa grew up with Judy, with Shirley Temple.
My my uncle was killed by Bugsy seagull. My I
have a lot of family history. I have family members

(01:10:30):
who were in ben Her, the original ben Her.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
Very like wealthy oil investors back in the day. Did
the money find me? No, they spent it all. But
I have like a lot of history in La and
I love La history. So I'm starting this new series
on h on YouTube called Freaking the Streets, and it's
about telling different historical things about La because I think

(01:10:58):
it is so interesting and I think La is the
coolest city in the world and I want to show
everybody that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
There's a lot of history here that we don't even
know about exactly, and the cultures that we don't even
hear from.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
And that's the thing is, there's so many cultures that
build the city, and there's so many like untold stories
and so many things that were bulldozed and build over
that we don't even know about. And I think those
stories need to be told. And I don't think that
I'm the only one telling them, but I think that
I want to use my platform to tell them. And
I love learning about it, and I like, my boyfriend
is tired of listening to me talk, so I'm going

(01:11:30):
to talk to the camera instead. He's gonna be holding
the camera, so I'm gonna be talking to him still,
but like, at least it's gonna be do a camera.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
All right, Final question for you both. We know the
drag community is under attack politically socially. How can the
queer community best support the drag community? And people like, oh,
it's the same community, No, it's really not.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
I have said this since, I mean, we got to
asked this a lot like and doing like drag race
press and stuff, And I still stand by what I say.
I believe that the biggest thing you could do is
just be yourself and to express yourself unapologetically, which is
what I did in North Dakota. When I started doing drag,
I knew that it was frowned upon. I knew that

(01:12:17):
the possibility of me being killed or hate crimed or
beat up was very high. And I think having the
bravery to just be yourself and unapologetically and express yourself
unapologetically is enough to make your voice heard and set
the tone for this country.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
But as a gay man, how can I best support
my drag family?

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Just? I mean, I really think it just comes down to,
I mean, these gay boys. I see them down at
santi Alli, I see them in Weeho, I see them
in the valley, I see them everywhere. Wear your crop tops,
wear your short shorts, say you're slang, do your thing,
and and likes talking to you and apologetically because I

(01:13:04):
think that like, it's not about like saying something specific
or doing something specific. I think just you living as
authentically as you can is the most important thing you
can do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah, I would say that, And I would also encourage
people to take the time to kind of learn about
drag and the work that we do. Because I think
that a lot of times people consider us the life
of the party, or they think of us as like
ornamental to their night out, and we are putting ourselves

(01:13:37):
in our bodies in a public forum to be perceived,
but also to indicate to people that this is a
safe space for them. And I think that every time
that we go out and drag where imagining a possibility
where different identities and different types of people can exist altogether.
And whether that it's someone who's just in short shorts
or someone who has a scheme mask on like me,

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we can all and we can all cohabitate. And I
think that it's a manifesto that we're building together in
real time. And I think that more people would behoove.
It would behoove more people to kind of understand that
role of drag as it pertains to you know, a
day to day like socio political contexts, And I would say, like,

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support your local drag queens, tip your local drag queens.
It helps us keep our jobs going, but also like
it helps us create more spaces, it helps us network more,
and it helps us create more like community. And I
think that that's the job of the drag queen is
to be able to like rally the community and kind
of serve as like a beacon, whereas a lighthouse for
people who might need help finding their way. So I

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think people can understand the role of a drag queen
a little bit more from that lens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
And I think it's also understanding how a drag queen
gets to a drag show. We see them come out
on stage and we're like, oh my god, we don't
realize how danger it is is for you to step
out in public in drag to even get your Uber.
Certain uber drivers will say no to a drag queen,
or you walking by yourself to go backstage at Mickey's
or whatever. That's dangerous, and you've taken all that to

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put on a great show.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I think the like.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
I think also, like you were saying, how drag queens
it's their their duty to kind of be the beacon.
I think it's also, like like you said, our duty
to like take on that danger for the community. And
I've always been someone who if I get hurt, if
I get attacked, if I get any killed, anything, God

(01:15:38):
for bid, not gonna work Jack on Wood. I think that,
like me, if I if something like that happens to
me in the justice of my community. I see that
as a win, and I see that as like a
beautiful thing. And I think that a lot of queens
believe that and take that kind of responsibility onto themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
We talk about everything on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
To end on that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
My God, but what do I was like, yeah, oh, okay, yeah,
it meant to drag queens, you know, and the power
that you take walking down the street.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
But also, I mean, it takes all of us. A
lot of people see us as like the forefront of
the community and things, but like it takes all of us.
And I mean, like I know it seems very like
like annoying to pick oh, like the Weiho gays like
who are wearing nothing, but it's like they're them freely

(01:16:36):
living as themselves. Is huge. It takes the lesbians. It
takes the entire like alphabet of like LGBT people for
us all to have what we have, And it takes
all of us living freely to have what we have.
It's not just us, it's also the straight people who
support us, who have a stance in the government to

(01:16:59):
addvoct cake for us. So it's not just like on
our shoulders side, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Having conversations that we're not afraid to say what we
think and to not just be yes. People like my
whole thing about do we have too much drag race?
And you guys brought up such a great point. It
could mean something to that one person in some random location,
like don't I didn't even think about that, so, oh
my lord, So tell everybody where we can find and

(01:17:27):
follow you. Laura.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
You can follow me on Instagram. That's where I am mostly,
so if you want to cut up in kiki with me,
you can follow me at Yes Laura I y E
S l O r E l E I. I'm also
on tik talk. I have some performance videos on there
if you're interested in my work, and that's Yes Underscore Laurala.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
And you can find me on all social media platforms apparently, well,
you can find me on Grinder, but I will you
recognize me and Dragon recognize me as the boy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Hat emoji cowboy hat emoji.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
It's only one cowboy. I will have you know what
do your research next time?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
It's three.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
No, it's just the cowboy had emojion Grinder. But anyways,
on all social all on all other social media. You
got me with these drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
You're not here for.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Pet No.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
You can find me all social media at a Case Forgot.
That's Instagram, Twitter, YouTube to find my new show. I'm
going to have a new podcast out that I'm working on,
which of course you guys will be on at some
point and TikTok everything at a Case Forgot. I am
lucky enough to be very original with my name and
I got all of the social media handles at a

(01:18:43):
Case Forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Stephen Taylor, follow you only Stephen Taylor and that's it
pretty much. Yeah. A big thank you uh to Xavier,
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