Pride Month: Fashion/Underwear Designer Andrew Christian Spills the Tea

On this episode of On the Rocks, we celebrate Pride Month with fashion designer and the Patron Saint of men’s underwear Andrew Christian as we talk about his growing up, coming out, getting into fashion, building his empire, and we find out all about his recent decision to retire the company…with your sassy host, Alexander Rodriguez. Raise a glass and let the drinks begin, it’s On the Rocks!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Media. Hello. On the Rockers, we celebrate pride mind
with fashion designer and a patron saint of men's underwear.
Andrew Christian is back and he's got a big announcement.
We're gonna get deep and get honest and a little
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Let's get the show on the road, shall we. When
it comes to men's underwear, a few brands have less
left a lasting impression as Andrew Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's known for its innovative designs, body positive ethos, and
perfect blend of style and comfort. Andrew Christian has earned
a reputation as one of the most iconic names in underwear,
especially within the gay community. From humble beginnings to create
an empire, he's made gay mainstream, not only at the
center of gay media and social media, He's appeared on
reality TV shows like RuPaul's Drag Race, Millionaire Matchmaker, The

(02:03):
Johannis Dickinson Modeling Agency, and more. He kicked off this
Pride month with a startling announcement that he was straight no,
just kidding, that he was retiring and he's closing up shop.
What are the gays to do? He is here to
spill the tea. Please welcome back to On the Rocks,
Mister and Juke Chris Young.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, so you know this was the first podcast I
ever did.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh, I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I was petrified the first time I did it because
I had no idea what I was getting into. That
is interesting, much fun.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That was years and years ago ago.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think you old studio.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you and Stan Zimmermann hold the record
for the most guest co hosting guest appearances. That's funny. Well,
you seem like a natural now. You've been on like
an every podcast, every TV show, like everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, it's like, I'm I've done this how many times?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes? We media's been a little bit different for you
this last week. We're going to get into that, but
I want to remind our listeners and your fans you know,
I keep forgetting it's been twenty five years that you've
been in this business, and so the young generation of gays,
they're wearing your underwear left and right. They're wearing your
underwear is Jim clothes. They're wearing your underwear is like

(03:15):
outfits out to the grocery store. But people are still
shocked to find out about how you got started. In
your very emotional posts that you made on social media,
you talked about growing up in Fresno as a Latino
kid in Section eight housing, and a lot of people
are like, what you know, because we know Andrew Christian
from the Empire owner, you know, and founder, What was

(03:36):
childhood like for you?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Childhood was tough, you know, growing up a minority, growing
up a gay kid, where it wasn't accepted, you were
made fun of. I remember being taunted and teased when
I was a kid, people calling me a beaner, being
called faggot, even before I knew I was gay. So
it wasn't easy growing up in a small town being

(04:00):
that different, being very different than what the perceived norm was.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, especially growing up in Section eight housing. I mean
that has its own stigma to it.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It does, you know, I mean, I remember like that
government cheese, that big block and that government butter, that
big block. You know, isn't that.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Weird to think about where your life is now and
looking back how that was your beginning?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
It is and like the amount of success I've had
while you're going through that journey, you're not even thinking
about it because you're so involved in just hustling and
making it happen. And you know.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
What did you learn about life early on that you
still subscribe to to this day.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well being Mexican American. My family were farm workers, and
I think that instilled within me like a hard work ethic,
which I've always carried through with everything. And I remember
telling my employees when I first started and had no employees,
I always tell them your job, I've done your job before.

(05:05):
I packed those orders. I packed those boxes, I've made
the invoices. Funny story, when I first started, I would
have boutiques call me wholesale customers, and I'd answer the
phone like I was the receptionist and changing my voice
and be like, Okay, let me put you on hold,
let me get Andrew, and then come to the phone

(05:26):
like it was a bigger company than it was.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's hilarious, but that's what we do. I remember in
the early days of my podcasting, I would send out
from a fake email like the media Center and on
the rocks, but like you know, and it was just me.
But that's how we do. And I think growing up
that way I was raised. You know, I was the
only Mexican in my private school growing up. That's not
because we had money. My more worked three jobs to
put me through school, so I could never afford like
the new shoes, the new anything. And I was called

(05:50):
being her so many times. But it kind of it
teaches you how to be okay on your own and
it gives you a little courage.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
And I think that's where my creative vidy came from
in fashion, because I couldn't afford the name brands that
all the other kids were worrying. All the other kids
at my school were much more well off than we were,
so I had to be creative and sort of create
my own aesthetic. And you know, out of out of
adversity comes you know, creativity.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And you were that kid that was in your sketchbook
and you made your own clothes.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I did. I did. I was, you know, even when
I was in high school. I was like making clothes
and like selling them in like little boutiques in town.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's insane. I mean, that's so that's so funny. But
what kind of kid were you in high school? Did
you have a lot of friends? Were you part of
the musical theater group? The emo group?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Like? What what group were I was a band geek?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
What did you play in?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I played the clarinet.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now you play the skin flute? Okay, clarinet. Why is
the clarinet? That's such a random instrument.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean it's very valid, right.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Really, It's like the band teacher knew. He's like, we're
prepping you.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And I was kind of like friends with all the outsiders,
which happened to be gay as well, but we weren't
out at the time, which was kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You know, you connected without connecting, you knew that there
was something. Yeah, what kind of underwear did you like
wear as a kid?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
How big of underwear was was a part of your life?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, I think it's part of any gay man's life
growing up to like go to the underwear section and
see the boxes of the guys with with you.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Know, the the bulges. Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I remember my mom would get the Frederick's of Hollywood
catalog you go, and like the back five pages were
like men and like the underwear with elephant trunk, and
I was like, so I may have stole a few
of those, grabbed him out of the trash, and she
was done with them.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
That is really funny because my only access, and it
was before I really realized what I was really looking
for and at it was like the J. C. Penny catlog.
It was a Sears catalog and it would always be
pages twenty eight to like thirty two would be the
men's underwear and I would just stare and turn the
page and turn the page and it was the guys
with the bulgeites and in their tidy whities, and that's
pretty much all we had back then. But very much

(08:12):
that was my awakening. When did it click for you
that you realized that you really were different than the
other boys, You.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Know, when they would call me fagot and I didn't
know what that was, you know, that was that was
really hard to go through.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
What would you say was your first kind of not crush,
but the first time you realized it's like, oh, I
have an attraction to a guy.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
In high school definitely, like you know, being at seventh
period p and like the football team and the waterway
the water polo team, and it was very home erotic.
They're all showering together, and.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That's the gayest thing. People don't realize. It's like, you know,
watch your drag queens, not gonna make us gay, like
what you make us go through. I remember science camp
we had to shower all along one thing and that
was the first time I saw hair on a guy's
body because one of the kids had gone through peborty early.
That makes us gay? You want us to wrestle each other? Okay, right,
when did you come out to your parents?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I came out when I was twenty years old. Okay,
to my parents when I had my first boyfriend. So
I introduced my mom to my first boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You're like, I'm gay, and here's you're right. What was
his name?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh god, you.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Forgot your first boyfriend's name. His name was Craig Craig,
Craig Craig and Fresno.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
No here in La.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh Okay, okay, Craig in La has like in my mind,
like beach blonde stripped hair, but Craig and Fresno was
like a whole different kind of now vision. What did
your parents say? Because you come from a Latino we
know Latino households are conservative.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
So my coming out story was a bit anti climatic
because I told my mom and she was like, I know,
She's like, I've known since you were four, And I'm like,
why didn't you tell me? Like you would have saved
me a whole lot of stress.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So it was just that easy. And then yeah, how
long did your first boyfriend us? Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
God, like maybe six months? Seven months?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's not bad for a first, right because usually first
is like ooh a month, Like ooh. What do you
appreciate most about your Latino culture? You know, right now
we're dealing with so much in the US, especially here
in Los Angeles, as to how much of our culture
do we celebrate, how much of our culture do we
mesh with our American identity? But what do you love
most about your Latino culture?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think I love how I think I love the
closeness how we are with our family members and the
amount of affection we show to each other. And for me,
that's translated over into my chosen family. I always make
sure to tell my friends that I love them, check
in on them.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You never told me you left me. You never checked
in on me. And I'm a Rodriguez. So how did
you go from you know, sketching and all that, then
you went to fit them.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I didn't go to fitam.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I couldn't afford to go to fitam.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I thought you went to film.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, I went to La Trade Tech. I moved to
LA And when.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
What's La Trade Tech?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's a it's a community college in downtown La.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I have a fashion center there.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
But I would imagine a fashion center in La is
still a fashion center in La?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, it wasn't like some janky little.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like well, I was a little rough around the edges
then a rough neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
What kind of fashions were you working on? Like what
was your early aspirations? Do you think you were doing
women's clothing? Uh?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I was doing Yeah, I was doing a little bit
of everything. I was doing women's clothing and men's clothing.
And you know, I put myself through school working at
little boutiques and also making clothes on the side and
selling them at different boutiques in La and just over
time I sort of like gradually just started drifting more
and more into men'swear.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
What classes were your best and which classes were your worst?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
They were all good. I liked all my fashion classes.
It was so easy.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, well, I mean, I guess it's easy if you.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Love like what you're studying and what you're.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I mean, so I went to I went to university
to study theater because I was a big musical theater.
I was not good at many of the classes, like improv.
I was terrible at voice and movement awful, Shakespeare awful. Like,
I was so bad. I was like, maybe I just
can't do this. We didn't have any classes like that
that you even though you wanted it.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You were just like fashion school.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
No no.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I thought it was so easy, and like people were
dropping out. I'm like, like, this is the easiest thing ever. Now.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I remember when Andrew Christian came out, it was male
and female clothing. The brand was in the closet a bit. Yes.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Uh, we were trying to branch out. We started out
with men's and then we added women's right about the
time that I was on the jianistick. In some modelag agency,
you'd go and look back at that episode you can
see like we did a big photo shoot with men
and women.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah I remember, but yeah, I just didn't take.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
So we just went harder and like with the men's stuff,
with the gay stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And how did how did creating your own company go about?
Because a lot of fashion people to go work for
like a major label, and they'll work as a designer
for them for years and years and years. How did what?
At what point in your life you're like, oh, no,
I'm going to start my own brand because that's pretty
gutsy and maybe not the best choice. But I worked
for you.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, I worked for a few different fashion companies in
LA and I just thought, I mean, if these idiots
can do it, I can do it. And so I'm like,
you know, I never wanted to have any regrets in life,
so I'm like, let me put like one hundred percent
into this. And I remember being like young, and my
friends were like going out, you know, to the bars
and clubs, and I was staying at home on like

(13:46):
Friday night, Saturday night. They're like sewing samples, you know,
to take the trade shows to show the store buyers.
I was actually sewing them myself, Like.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Did you ever have to take any type of side
job not fashion related, like retail or something that was
just awful, Thankfully not.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I've always every job I've had has been in the
fashion industry, like behind the scenes and design and production.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Now you have a pretty good handle on the business
side of stuff too, which a lot of people, especially
and I hate to stereotype it in gay commerce and
gay business. Owning business is just not something it's like
spend spend, spend, party, party party. Where did you kind
of learn the business side of things from the fashion industry,
you know.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You know, I started out small and just like you know,
I made a little bit of money, and all that
money just went back into the company, just you know,
growing it bigger and bigger and bigger. So you know,
there were some really really lean, lean years I start.
I didn't get success. I wasn't successful until like ten
years after I started my company. People don't realize that,

(14:55):
so people think it's like this overnight succeeds. It was not.
It was like ten years of barely making it and
I had no backup plan. It was this or nothing.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, and like you said, you were doing everything from
cutting the samples to designing to putting them together, to
answering the phones, to packaging off the made invoices, that's insane. Yeah,
was there any point in the early years that you
were just like, you know what, this this is too much?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
There are a few there are a few points where
I didn't want to give up. What kept you going
that I didn't have a backup plan.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It was fresh. So the brand came out and you
focused on gay men, which at that time was it
was a big risk because we didn't have anything. And
I think soon after there was Ginch Gunch, Aussie bum.
That's all I can kind of remember from from that era.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
And at that time, most designers were shying away from
being openly gay, and I lean into it and my
marketing was for gay people, and I think that's what
resonated with people, was we're a gay company for gay people.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
And you have totally changed the way people wear underwear.
Look at underwear. It's not just a functional garment anymore.
I mean, you go to your website, there's an underwear
for every type of person, for every type of occasion,
from porn to harness to sexy to you know, gimware
to t XL. You've really evolved to kind of change

(16:27):
even patterns and colors. I was never really singing in
men's underwear, and now it seems that so many brands
are trying to emulate that. Is it a little bittersweet
that you've trailblazed and created this atmosphere for other underwear
companies to come out with sexy, playful underwear, because I mean,
you're responsible for that, but they've also taken it on
their own, right.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I mean I was like the first out here, so
I kind of opened the door for a lot of them.
So you know, what do they.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Say, imitation is the sincere's form of flattery.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, So let's talk about the Janis Dickinson modeling agency.
I remember like it was yesterday because reality TV really
wasn't what it was now. The whole concept of the show,
seeing guys half naked, seeing Janus the way that she was,
and then seeing you there. It was so different for TV,
and it was different for gay culture to see such

(17:24):
an overtly celebration of the male form and all the
drama that went with it. But it was so fun
and it was intoxicating to watch. People don't realize this
about you is that you are actually very shy. You know,
we've seen you on Pride floats, we've seen you on TV,
we've seen you every we've seen you on stage for
every kind of show, just command an audience. But BEE
don't raising you're you're kind of quiet and shy.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, when I'm on stage, I definitely have like my
persona and my personality and I don't know, it's like
a switch. You turn it on and yeah, there I am.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
So what was it like doing that reality show? Because
you were pretty much there in the focus.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
One thing I did? I think people don't understand that
reality back then in you know, the twenty and twenty
tens was very different, Like everybody watched these shows like
you were out there and like it wasn't so like
entertainment wasn't so diffused as it is now, like into
so many like small little segments like so like Janis

(18:24):
Dickens and Molly Agency was a huge show.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It was. I remember everybody was watching a gay, straight,
old young Everybody was entranced with it. But that's a
lot for you because we know Janni's had a big personality.
He also had TV people telling you like this is
what's happening. And then all the drama.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Right, Yeah, I don't know, maybe she just likes me
or something. I don't know, but yeah, knowing what I
know now, I would have been a lot more nervous
like going into that show.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
So maybe I was just excited to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I was like, oh, wow, this is a great opportunity, like,
you know, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
At what point in the business did things start to
shift and you're like, Okay, this has taking traction. I
can breathe a little bit, let's go to the next step.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, one of the big shifts was when we released
our car wash video, which went viral, yes, which you know,
nobody had ever seen anything like that, like these hot
guys in underwear.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Getting a wet, getting a wet, apologizing for me, and.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, it just went viral. You know. It was crazy,
Like every time I looked at the fuse, it was
like one hundred thousand more, one hundred thousand more.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
And still to this day. Yeah, and then you did
like the laundromat scene, which was so hot. Yeah, looking
back at those videos, they were so well done that
they stand the test of time today. You could release
them today and people be like, oh, that's a new video.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Here's the thing though, Like it was a point in time,
I don't think you can go viral like that anymore
because I don't know. I have a feeling that, like
you know, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, if there's any gay content,
I believe that they out at all. And I don't

(20:09):
know if it has to do I think part of
it might have to do with the political climate we're in.
But I even saw the shift before that, and I've
seen it with other gay entertainers and artists that you know,
even like I'm good friends with Sherry Vine. Her videos
don't go viral like they used to.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, well we've had Sherry on a number of times.
It was also at a time that we weren't seeing
that kind of like, we weren't seeing gay guys be
so overtly sexual in a mainstream way. But everybody was
watching these videos. Did you ever have any trepidation or
did anybody ever say, hey, you know what, you're going

(20:47):
to be limiting yourself in terms of the fashion industry.
You're going to be just that gay brand. You're not
going to be taken seriously. Did anybody ever say that
to you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I had people within the industry tell me that, and
I was like, no, you're wrong, and this is our
strong point, Like this is like I wouldn't be who
I am if I wasn't gay. Yeah, I wouldn't. I
wouldn't be successful if it wasn't gay.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Right, But you're not walking around with like, you know,
your balls hanging out. You know, I've never seen you
in a speedo out and about just like at the clubs.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, mean you're kind of conservative sometimes.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh I guess I just haven't been to the right parties.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's hit the pool girl.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
So let's talk about your marketing. You've done every type
of marketing music videos, like we said with your models,
pride appearances, viral TikTok videos, product and corporations in porn,
mainstream TV. Looking back, what really worked for the company
and what was a bit of a misstep.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think what really worked was you know, like you know,
doing these videos that were gay theme, gay content. I
would say probably one of my missed up, like you
mentioned before, was you know, doing the women's clothing, which
I love doing women's clothing, but it just didn't take
like I'm really good at men's clothing. I'm really good

(22:09):
at accentuating the male body, and you know.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Very good for all all shapes and sizes of the
male body. There's undies with extra material, there's undies with
the little push up bra for your junk.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
There's some with hardly any material, nor material at all.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yes, what are the biggest assumptions people have made about you?
You know, the man behind the designs.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think the biggest assumption is that I sleep with
all the models, hot models, all the time. But for me,
I kind of feel like like a drag mother, you know,
like there are my children and I'm like watching over
them and I try to, you know, teach them right
and steer them in the right direction. And you know,

(22:57):
you know this as well as I do. They don't
always take my advice, and some of them kind of
go off the deep end.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And okay, but let's be honest. We are gay men.
The models that you are surrounded by are gorgeous. They're
like the perfect specimen of that you have to react
or look sometimes. I mean, you're just a gay human.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I mean initially, like when I first meet them, you know,
I think they're hot or like, otherwise I wouldn't have
casted them. But then after you start working with them,
it becomes more like a family. And I was also
a little bit different because all the models that I
used in Andrew Christian were not professional models. They were like,

(23:42):
you know, regular guys off the street, and they knew
how to have fun and not be so serious with it.
And I think that resonated on video and prison campaigns.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a playful brand,
right and it was full of it was fun enjoy.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, it was authentic.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah. Yeah. Was it hard for you looking back at,
you know, building your empire in making friends evenly even
meeting business people, you know, when I hang out with
you out in about like oh the Tan Christian, the
Center Christian. You know, people know what your brand is immediately.
But was it hard for you to kind of separate

(24:23):
who wanted to be your friend, who wanted to be
close to you, not just for what you could provide
them in terms of the people you hung out with,
not just for free product or put me in your campaign.
Was that always in the back of your mind?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh, definitely, especially in Los Angeles. Yeah, I know you
have to think about that, Like people you know are
always trying to climb up the ladder.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, has it been a little isolating over these last
twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It has been a little isolating, to be honest. You know, like,
as you become more successful, you're your group of friends
become smaller and smaller.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Isn't that funnier because you're and in more and more
cities and everybody knows you more and more. Isn't that weird?
How that's that's the opposite of what happens in your
personal life. Right.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
But over the past few years, I have been spending
more time in Palm Springs and I've made like a
good core group of friends there that like I trust
and I know, just like me for being just for Andrew,
not Andrew Christian.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, and let's put an end to the rumor. Your
name is actually Andrew Christian. It's not like a brand name.
It's not like a drag name that you made up.
That is actually your your name. Yes, yeah, Okay, looking back,
how have you changed the most personally since starting this company?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
How have I changed most personally? I don't know. I
have a lot more underwear now.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
No, I mean, like who you are when you look
back at that at that kid that was eating government cheese,
and having to sketch and make your own clothes to
building this and knowing that you did this on your own.
You know, you had your support with your team and
you know, a partner, but it's it's you. It was
you answering the phone, it was you doing that.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think the I think the biggest thing is like
having a positive change and influence on people. I hear
so many stories of you know, these kids growing up
in these small towns, you know, in the Midwest or
in Texas, and Andrew Christian was their only linked to
LGBTQ culture and it kind of saved them, like they

(26:28):
felt like they were a part of something and it
helped them to come out of the closet. And I
hear the story over and over, and you know, I
didn't start my company with that, you know, in mind,
but you know, I think that's what I'm most proud of,
is that I had that kind of a positive effect
on people feeling connected with the community.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And even the website. The website's not just about selling
your product. You know, there's fun videos, there's sex tips,
there's dating advice, there's interviews with drag queens and porn stars,
like it really is like a lifestyle window into the
gay world.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, yeah, it has to be like reflective of
our culture.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And what I really like is you have like photo contests,
like you'll have a Pride photo contest, you have a
bubble Butt contest, You'll have like Muscleman contest, and you
share all the submissions that come from around the world,
and it's interesting to see the different body types and
what people are confident about and what's considered sexy from
person to person. The idea of what a sexy guy
looks like is totally changed.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
And I think it's good to like let people compete
whether they live in La yes, or they live, you know,
in some small little town and people like that. And
we just let the fans decide and you know, vote
on it, and people love it. Yeah, it's a lot
of fun. Actually, it's fun going through the submissions too.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
There was a time everybody's like, oh, you have to
have a size twenty eight waste to wear into Christian
You expanded, you had a thick brand for guys that
are thick everywhere. You went up to two x L.
What was that kind of transition? And I have to
say gay bodies have changed ever since COVID. You know,
I think some of us write Tony, some of us

(28:09):
didn't recover from those COVID days of uber eats three
times a day, you know, and we kind of went
out the other side of it, like you know what,
it's it's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think gay bodies have definitely changed. We actually used
to make size extra small and we started who it
would sell, and like we stopped, like like a year
and a half ago, we stopped making extra smalls extra small.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean that's small.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty tiny. But probably about twelve
years ago we tried doing to excel and it didn't fly.
It does the inventory just sat there. They're like, Okay,
this doesn't work. But then right after COVID, we did
a little test and I was like, okay, there's something
with this is like moving. And then you know, I

(28:58):
decided to do my thick collection for bigger guys, and
we did a whole campaign and which was actually like
a lot of fun shooting.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Such a fun photo shoot. And even today Cake Moss,
who's a drag queen in West Hollywood, she posted her
her part of the photo campaign and how much it
made her feel good.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
About herself, and I feel like that campaign looks like
a like a movie poster or something, or some reality show.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
It really really does like some Spanish like soap opera,
you know, with all the thick Yeah, do you have
any regrets in looking back something you wish you would
have done or you wouldn't have done with the company?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I mean that's huge to say. I don't know how
many people can look back the last twenty five years
of their life and be like, m you know, I
should have done this or that was not right.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I mean I always gave it one hundred and ten
percent because I never wanted to have any regrets, and
like that's one of the reasons why star the company.
I'm like, Okay, this is a big long shot, but
let me try it, because I don't want to be
somebody who's like, oh I could have done this, but
I didn't. Like, let me try it, and if it
doesn't work, then it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, it was fresh. We talk about getting older in
the gay community, it's like the dreaded disease. You obviously
are by no means old, but we've seen you grow
up before our eyes. When we look at some of
these early pictures. You haven't aged much at all, you know,

(30:35):
but there's something in your eyes that has changed. We
have seen you mature in a few different ways. What's
it like, kind of maturing in front of gay culture
in the spotlight.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's not easy. I mean, as you know, gay culture
is very youth oriented. Yeah, especially in Los Angeles. Yeah,
it's very very youth oriented.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Do you think that that's changing a bit?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I think it is changing a lot, you know, because
with the whole rise of like the daddy, you know,
all these boys are looking for a daddy.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Just to pay their bills and buy them eggs. Fieller
take with casts. But there must have been a lot
of pressure on you body wise, you skin wise, like
you having a bad day, even where you just want
to be grumpy.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know. I think I just try to be the
best version of myself that I can be. I'm never
going to be perfect. I'm never going to have the
perfect body, and that's all you can do, you know.
I work out regularly. I moisturize religiously.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
We've seen your gym pics. So let's talk about mean girls.
Part of having a gay business is dealing with mean girls.
Some of us gays just cannot seem to support other gays,
even though you've been the victim of mean girls on
social media and in business and even chitter chatter here
by slided models or whatnot. How have you dealt with that?

(32:03):
And what is your message now to all those mean
girls out there?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what, if at least they're talking about me, yes,
so there must be something that they're jealous of or
that you know, if they weren't talking about me, then
then I should be worried.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
It is weird though, these keyboard warriors that have to
say something about everything. So like you came out with
two XL and people had something to say about that.
It's like, right, what do you take an issue with?
You know, I don't understand, but that still has to
play on your mind. You know, we as human, psycheist
scientific fact, we pay more attention to negative comments than
we do to positive comment, right comments.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Because you'll have like you know, ninety comments that are
positive and one or two that are bad, and then
you focus on those two. So I think, like, mentally
it's good to just you know, take take an e's
off of the social media sometimes and not be so
focused on it. Which is hard. Yeah, I have to

(33:06):
keep reminding myself, of course, it is.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
A big part of your company. Is not just you,
It's not just the sexy outputs and looks, but the models.
The models have been part of the brand. It's funny
when we look back at some of the early campaigns.
Some models have come and gone, some models have stated around,
some models have gone on to become their own major influencers.
But it is funny when we see it's like God,

(33:30):
that person needs to be so popular and in everybody's
mind and in everybody's fantasy. It's like I haven't heard
from or seen them in years. What do you think
about when you remember all of these models that have
come and gone.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean I've gone through like it feels like so
many different generations of models. Like there was my first
like core like trophy boys. I remember before we even
coin that term, Andrew Christian started that term, which I'm
still in contact with. One of them, Daniel Mihagani, which
is a great person. Yeah, like super great guy. He

(34:11):
was like in one of my first like campaigns. Yeah.
And then like I've had so many models, a lot,
a lot, and like.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I said, a lot of them have kind of taken
the brand, used the brand to launch their own stuff.
Do you ever feel slighted by any of the models
that are just like, Okay, thanks and now I'm doing
my own thing.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
No, no, I mean I know they're not going to
be with me forever, so you know, if I could
inspire them to do something, then why not.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
All right, now that you're closing shop, who have been
some of your favorite models to work with? You're just like, oh, love,
love love.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Oh geez, there's been so many corazy. Yeah cool because
he's just like, like, he's funny and so sassy in
such a trouble maybe yeah, and he doesn't seem like
he would be yeah. Yeah, he doesn't seem like he
would be. So he's kind of like my ride or die.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, all right, you traveled around the world with these models.
Do you have any horror funny stories that you're just like,
oh my god, I can't leave that happened, but I did.
You don't have to use names.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, you know what they say, what happens behind stage
stays behind stage.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well, you're closing shop, now's the time to spell the tea.
There has to be some funny story.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So once we were sponsoring White Party, okay when White
Party was huge. This is probably I think twenty twelve,
like way back then, thirteen years ago. And part of
the show was the guys we did an underwear fashion show.
This is during the pool party in the daytime, and

(35:59):
part of the show was okay, guys, put a towel
around yourself, take off your underwear and throw the underwear
out in the crowd. One of the models took the
towel off and threw it into the crowd.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Just naked.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, okay, that was not part of the show. And
so the organizer was like freaking out because you know,
the hotel where they were hosting it. They but then
afterwards it's like, oh no, it's great, everybody's loved it.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Would you better do it again next year? But it
must have been a nightmare, dealing with models, flights, people
missing their flights, people getting too drunk, people disappearing.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Models, you know, walking on a run way and just
kept walking and fell off. Yes, that has happened.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh lord, And again we did talk about we assume
that Andrew Christian is having sex all the time, he's
partying all the time. How much sex have you had
over these last twenty five years? How much has sex
been a part of your life?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh geez, I'm a gay man. Are for numbers? Are
you asking?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
No?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Was it a lot? Was it?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I wouldn't say a lot, but I would say like
a normal amount for a gay man, like average in
La God.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So six times a week? Okay, I'll work that box
six times a week. All right, Let's get to the
nitty gritty. After twenty five years, why close up shop?
Why now? What was that defining moment for you to
make that decision?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
So the whole fashion landscape has just changed and buying habits,
especially among younger LGBTQ youth. You know, they're buying three
dollars underwear of TMU and SHN, which is you know,
being subsidized by the Chinese government, so they're selling these
things at a loss. I can't compete with that, you know,

(37:52):
in that format. You know, it's the same thing that's
happening with gay bars. You know, gays aren't supping supporting
their own gay businesses, so it's hard to stay in business.
So you know, I kind of I see the trend
in where it's going, so I decided to you know,
step out with some grace now and on my own

(38:15):
terms while we're still happening and hot, and yeah, I'm
gonna I'm going to release my final collection in October.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
So I remember when you made the announcement, which is
just this last week, because were you shocked. I wasn't
shocked per se, because you hadn't really said like that
was what we were going to do. But I could
kind of feel that there was an energy shift for you.
But I'm on social media in the morning. It's just
to see what's happening, news wise, influencer wise, just you know,

(38:46):
to see and I think you had posted it and
I think, like literally it was like posted two minutes ago,
and then.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I texted you, like yeah, the first person to text me.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
It was a very emotional post. And people that meet
you know that you're a great person. You're a loving person,
but you're also you keep people at a certain distance
in terms of how much you share about your personal life.
This post was very intimate, It was very definite. After
you press post and the comment started to come in,

(39:19):
was there any part of you that was like, oh God,
I should have waited, or do I really want to
be doing this No.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I mean, it wasn't a decision I took lightly. You know,
it took me a while to come to this decision.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
But it's one thing to make that distance yourself, and
it's another one to press posts and then it's out there.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah. Once I did it, I'm like, okay, it's out there.
And then the text started coming in. I'm like, okay,
there's no going back now, I can't take it down or.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, and the company will close. There's no way that
it's going to continue on.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's just yeah, unless you know, unless you know, I
get an offer to purchase the company, which I actually did,
you know, last year, reach out to some some big
fashion brands out there, and nobody wanted to make an offer.
And I also think that's part of like the political
climate where people are brand brand, where brands don't want

(40:13):
to spend money on a gay brand. They don't want
to purchase a gay brand.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And your brand has become so much. If it was
just an underwear line, I could see somebody like, okay,
it's it's it's underwear. But it's become so much from
outfits to eco friendly to to like fetishwear to everything
to gym cloth, it's it's a little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah. So my my final collection is called Bespoke. Yeah,
and so it's a small capsule collection. It's based off
of things that I would actually wear myself, so it's there.
They're timeless pieces that will be with you for a while,
and it's kind of like my love letter to everybody

(40:56):
who's ever supported me over the years.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
How long will this be available for? Has it already
all been designed?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Everything's designed?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
How weird was it working on your final collection? Knowing
like this this is it?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
It was a little bittersweet, Yeah, a little emotional, you know,
because I've been doing this for, you know, over twenty
five years, you know, and there's definitely a comfort in
doing the same routine over and over and I love designing,
So yeah, it was definitely a very emotional time designing

(41:34):
my final collection.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Is it going to be at a fashion show? As
like a grand finale party? What's it going to beat? Pelick?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I don't know. You know, this happened like I just
made the announcement less than a week ago, and everything's
happening so fast, and a lot of people have been
asking me, is there going to be a final fashion Joan.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I haven't even thought about it, but they're better. Maybe
I should New York, Miami, Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I'm just I mean, we'd have to go out
with a real big bang.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, one hundred percent all celebrity rock band, the whole bit.
And then how soon is like is the site going
to stay up? How soon or how like? How quickly
do people need to get as much stuff as they can?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, every month we have a different collection, so if
you see something in that collection, you need to get
it otherwise it's going to be gone. But I'm projecting
like through the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So like December thirty first is the last day to
buy anything. Yeah, that's so crazy to think about. I
need to so I do not leave the house, even
if I'm going to the grocery store, even if I'm
going to rehab, like whatever I'm doing, I do not
leave without the the bro glow. And then the top
of is the instant finisher, right, everybody always asks me.
Everybody always asks like, oh, and so I was traveling

(42:47):
Sacramento last weekend and I ran out and I was like,
oh my god, what I'm gonna do? Then I see
this announcement what am I going to do? So I
better buy like too many cases.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Now I'll stock you up.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
When I start looking at my frosty this Now, man,
you're going to know that I'm that I'm.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
The INCIDENTT Airbrush is good. Oh I would say it's
better than Mac to be honest, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Really really good. And if you have a hangover and
just feel boo boo, it's it's it's it's good. What
do you think the biggest challenges are today for a
business owner?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I think the biggest challenge is just marketing, you know,
like I was saying about YouTube before, like Instagram. You know,
we used to market on Instagram and Facebook. And I
believe that these companies are are discriminating against gays.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Algorithms we know are are not working towards anything.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
That's I'm surprised there hasn't been anybody coming out. There
hasn't been a scandal, like somebody inside one of these
companies saying yes, they're discriminating against gay people.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm sure that's a whole story there. I think the
powers that be controls so much of that in terms
of NDAs and right, I mean, I think after the
Dost settles after we get I mean, come back to
normal again, whatever that looks like. I think a lot
of the facts will come to light and we're gonna
be like, holy crap, I can't believe all of this
was what's going on. All the questions that I got

(44:11):
when we announced that you were coming on the show,
and I'm sure that you got text after text after
text is what's next? Because you said in your post,
this is a period of transformation, which means you transform
into something else.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Right, I mean, creativity doesn't retire, right hundred percent, And
somebody with your energy that has worked twenty four to
seven for all of your life.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I can't imagine you're gonna wake up and watch Judge
Judy all day.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
You know, I'm not sure yet. Maybe you know, it
might be something with mentoring LGBTQ youth. Maybe it might
be something. You know, this political climate that we're in,
our community hasn't been attacked like this in decades, so
maybe it goes more into like political activism. Maybe I

(44:58):
maybe I get a podcast.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
One hundred percent, But there's nothing that's on your mind
that you're like, oh, I know that this is where
I'm going to go into.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
No, not at the moment.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
What if you opened up a school for queer.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Artists that would be interesting?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, like your own fit them. You're like, if you
fit them, I got my own fit them right, fabulous.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
In any kind of artistry, not just fashion.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, Okay, we'll talk, we'll talk.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It was fresh.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
We know that gay culture has definitely changed over the years.
How have your consumers changed and how do you engage
that because you've kept your finger on the pulse a
little bit ahead of what people want, for as, for instance,
having gender neutral clothing like your plaid skirts that would
go out of stock every single time you posted them.
And who would have thought that that would have been popular?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh? Those skirts were crazy, Like I couldn't keep a man.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah. My friends get saying, can you, you know, get
some from me. I'm like, no, there's no more.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Even I have a very good friend who will remain
nameless because they'll get mad if I mentioned his name.
He brought me like the zipper was ripped out of
the skirt and I'm like, he got a little a
little aggressive with his boy and wanted me to fix
the zipper, which I did.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, because you're because you're a giver, But how have
your consumers changed.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think they've become more of a more of a
cross cross of the LGBTQ community. You know, we're not
just like pigeonholed into this one category. You know, we
have stuff for bigger guys. We have stuff for more

(46:43):
conservative guys, which you know, you're kind of boring. We
have you know, the lingerie underwear, which you're more like sexy,
and you know, we have the fetish war So it's
become more of a cross section of the LGBTQ plus community.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think you've helped a lot of people explore their fantasies.
So I totally know of people that will go to
their banking investment job in their suit and underneath they're
wearing some of your LAUINGERWTE wear, which I think is
such an exciting exploration.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah. I met this guy who's a lawyer and he
wears my jock straps and he's like at work and yeah,
that's kind of hot.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Right, yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
And then also like you know, like I sell sex
toys on my website and it kind of makes it
easier for people to like explore that part of themselves
because they can, you know, order this and then you know,
just toss in, you know, little dildo or cockering and there.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Your life has been part of a drastically changing cycle
over the last couple of years. Who would have thought
that you and I would be in the motherless club,
you know, such a such a shock to people like
you and me. You know, every gay person says, oh,
I'm close to my mom. But from what I know

(47:56):
and from you meeting my mom a million times, she
was one of your biggest fans.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
She was.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It is so hard to think that in the course
of a couple of years, all of that, from one
day to the next, was gone. Yeah again, you weren't
close to your mom sadly passed away unexpectedly. How have
you coped working through that? And now kind of closing
this chapter of your life, you're kind of saying goodbye

(48:22):
to a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, and she was, you know, she was my biggest champion,
you know. You know, it was just really difficult because
I never got to say goodbye. She wasn't sick, and
it was it was hard on me, you know, like
I had taken her down to Porteviorda. We were on vacation.
We had this amazing week down there, and then you know,

(48:48):
a week after being back, she just passed away. But
I can take solace in the fact that she was happy.
All her friends, you know, told her like, oh my god,
Andrew treating me like a queen, and you took me
here and I went here, and she met Sherry Vine
down there and they hit it off. And but it's

(49:10):
really like having friends like you and Sherry Vine that
have helped, you know, get me through this.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
It must be hard to still have to be the
face of such a positive brand with like the party
life and then having to deal with this grief. And
we know, in the gay circle, we're so reticent to
talk about grief and our emotional feelings. Even though grief
affects us all. It puts us in a whole different category.
Some of our friends don't know how to deal with that,
even you know, after a couple of years have passed,
you know, it is very isolating too. How did you

(49:41):
deal with it?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
It's very isolating, And when it first happens, people are
very very supportive, but it's when it becomes like a
month later and nobody's there and you're still going through.
A year later, you're a year later, you're still going
you know, your first Christmas without without your parent, You're
still going through the grief, but everybody's kind of moved along.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it's yeah. And then you can't control when
it hits you either, you can. It could be something
so ridiculous, and then you're just like, it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Could be a smell, it could be you know, you're
in the middle of Trader Joe's. Yeah, just small little
things remind you of them.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, all right, what are you gonna do on your
first day off one am?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I absolutely nothing. I don't believe that though, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
You're not gonna set your long room. No, you're gonna
wake up in Palm Springs probably probably. Is it gonna
be weird when you close the door to your to
your location in Glendale for the last time.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean it's been a part of my life.
I've actually been doing this twenty eight years. Wow, I
started Andrew Christian in nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Most of your consumers are not even think they weren't.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Even born Jesus, I feel old. It's gonna Yeah, it's
gonna be weird because it's been like a habit for
so long and something that I've loved doing. I mean,
how many people can say that they've worked at a
job that they've loved doing.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I've gotten to see the world and.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Gotten to see the world. It meets so many great
people too, so many great people from everywhere around the world,
from you know, Oklahoma, from just yeah. It's been amazing,
all right.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
In closing, Uh, what's your message to your models and
your employees?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
My message is you got this. You can do it.
I did it and you can do it.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Any advice for some young gay Latino kid thinking of
starting his own business.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
It's going to be hard. It's not going to be easy.
Nothing's going to be handed to you. But you you
know that the truth is inside you and you can
do it.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
All right? And what's your message to your fans?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
This is a goodbye for this chapter, but I'm not
going away. I'll still be here so until the next chapter.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Who girl, we talked about it all we did? Where
do you want fans to continue to find and follow
you on Instagram?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And your Christian I ntl TikTok the Andrew Christian?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
What else do we have everything? And go to the
site and buy what you need now.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, I get what you need now. Yeah, before it's gone. Okay, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Right, we're going to see you back next week because
we are going to continue Pride season with our Go
Go episode. So but this was all about you. Thank
you so much for your years of coming on the
show and your support.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Thank you for your friendship Alexander Well and the.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Events that we've done cause some mischief here in.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
The Silver Fox and Long Beach.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Oh God Girl, Pump Spring, San Diego. Oh yeah, all right,
Well you're not gone yet, so there's still there's still
some time and we're gonna have to go out with
a bang, with a big fashion show. So go buy
your Edgit Christian underwear. Enter his contest. You have a
context that's still going on here.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
We still have the Pride contest going on right now.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, so people just take a picture of themselves yeah
and send it in and you can win.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
What a lot of money?

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah, it's like three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, so do that. Well, that's all folks. It's been
our chat with Andrew Christian. It's always a grab bag
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