What if the key to success wasn’t about working harder, but about aligning with your true purpose and allowing reality to work in your favor?
Many of us feel stuck, chasing success through effort alone, yet something seems missing. In this episode, Owen Hunt, also known as Bootsy Greenwood, shares how Reality Transurfing transformed his approach to life. He explains how we can align our heart and mind, read the signs life presents, and create a life of joy and purpose—without forcing the outcome.
- Discover how to align your heart and mind for effortless success.
- Learn why emotions and energy play a bigger role in achieving goals than logic alone.
- Gain a practical exercise to identify your purpose and take meaningful action today.
Listen now to uncover the secrets of Reality Transurfing and start moving toward your most fulfilling life with clarity and ease!
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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:
06:05 Understanding Alignment and Emotional Aspects of Success
09:11 Introduction to "Reality Transurfing"
13:22 Practical Application of Reality Transurfing
17:42 Reading the Signs and Celebrating Actions
21:27 Balancing Heart and Mind
26:51 Practical Exercise for Listeners
32:10 Resources and Final Thoughts
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MEMORABLE QUOTE:
"Dude, don't go to college - don't pay all that money!"
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VALUABLE RESOURCES:
Owen Hunt: https://bootsygreenwood.com/
Mastery Seekers Tribe: https://masteryseekerstribe.com
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Agi Keramidas (00:00):
What if the key to success wasn't about working
harder, but about aligning withyour true purpose and allowing
reality to work in your favor?
Hmm, interesting. Huh. Then thisepisode 482 is for you mastery
seeker. Welcome to personaldevelopment. Mastery, the
(00:29):
podcast that helps intelligent,busy men and women develop self
mastery and discover theircalling so you can thrive in a
fulfilling, purposeful life. Iam your host. Agi Keramidas, by
listening to this episode, youare going to discover how to
align your heart and mind foreffortless success. You will
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learn why emotions and energyplay a bigger role in
acknowledging goals than logicalone, and you will gain
practical exercise to identifyyour purpose and take meaningful
action today, before we dive in,remember, my fellow mastery
(01:10):
seekers, if you want to godeeper into the episode, join us
at our free community, themastery seekers tribe for more,
go to mastery seekers, tribe.comnow let's get started. Today.
I'm delighted to speak with Owenhunt or Bucha Greenwood. Owen,
(01:30):
you are known as the Blue Collarmystic, and you are an
entrepreneur, stand up,comedian, Hollywood producer and
coach. You are passionate abouthelping others discover and
align with their life's purpose.
And through your work, you makecomplex spiritual and
(01:54):
metaphysical conceptsaccessible, helping people
embrace their authentic selves,harness their creative potential
and manifest their dream lives.
Oh, and welcome to the show.
It's a pleasure to speak withyou today.
Owen Hunt (02:08):
It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for
having
Agi Keramidas (02:10):
I'm really looking forward to this
conversation. I was as I wastelling you earlier, there are
some things about your story andwhat you teach that I'm very
intrigued about in particular.
And I will briefly, I will onlymention that and leave it aside
for the moment. That book thatyou read, the Russian mystical
(02:32):
book that really changed the waythat you see things or see
reality, for that matter. Sowhat I would like to start Owen
with is give us a little bit ofa background of the person that
you were before, because I knowthat just over 10 years ago, you
were at a very different placethat you are today.
Owen Hunt (02:59):
Sure. So, you know, I would say 10 years ago, so or
so, yeah, maybe even longer thanthat, I was just looking for
answers. I didn't know what Iwanted to do, and I had picked
up a lot of different spiritualbooks and different ideas over
time, and I'd found myselfpretty lost, pretty listless,
(03:19):
and just working as a bartender.
Just, I had just gone through abreakup. I, you know, I was at
one of those places in life thatwas kind of, you know, felt like
a bottom shelf, emotionally and,and so I was, yeah, just pretty,
pretty turned around and kind ofconfused and, and then I found,
I found a book that really kindof tied a lot of the ideas that
(03:40):
I found in other books togetherin a way that just really just
hit right for me, and I realizedthat I could be in alignment
with myself. And this mightsound like so simple and
fundamental to people, but itwas a huge epiphany for me,
especially at the time, becauseI really thought that you either
had to be a broke creative oryou had to go and just do the
(04:03):
logical, most, you know, mostpractical life that we would be
miserable at in corporateAmerica, or whatever that meant
for you, you know that it waskind of one or the other. It was
like either you play and havefun and be kind of a degenerate,
you know, which sort of, youknow, whatever you know, no
judgment. Or you become, youknow, a very uptight and stiff,
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you know, blue or white collar,you know, type of worker or
whatever, right? And so I didn'treally see much of a gap between
those two possibilities. And Ihad spent most of my life, just
chasing fun and pleasure up tothat point and just, you know, I
mean, hey, whatever I'm I hadsome amazing experiences doing
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that, but by realizing that Icould be in alignment with
myself, that I could, like, livea deeper purpose and give a
little bit more back, but alsoenjoy. And have pleasure in what
it was that I was doing,providing as a service, that was
a huge epiphany for me. So thatstarted a whole new journey, and
started me learning a lot moreabout spirituality, its
(05:10):
concepts, and getting someinteresting opportunities to
experiment and try this stuffout.
Agi Keramidas (05:19):
Thank you. And you know you said, you talked
about the epiphany ofunderstanding that to be in
alignment with with ourself. Ithink you called it something
like that, and that is, it mightsound simple, but how many
people actually have taken thetime to understand that. And you
(05:41):
know, when you say alignmentwith ourself, you first need to
understand who is the self,before you are really it is not
that question, I think, has avery, has infinite depth. It is.
It might sound like a simplequestion, so that was a very. I
understand why it must have beenan epi funny for you to Yeah,
Owen Hunt (06:05):
I think that I had seen a lot of friends of mine
who were successful really justby being themselves. And they
kind of had a natural ability tosort of know who they were,
whereas I had a little bit moreof a struggle to kind of parse
that out and figure it out formyself and see it and you know,
(06:26):
like you said, it's an ongoingjourney. It's not something that
really ever stops. But when Isaw the way that they interacted
and how reality sort of favoredthem, and then I read the book,
it's like, oh, well, duh. Thisis why, you know, like, here are
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the reasons why there are somereal emotional aspects to
success. You know, people talkabout the regiment and the
logical progression and all ofthese types of things. But the
truth of it is, is reality isnot linear, not whatsoever. All
kinds of things are happening.
We can't calculate all theinfinite variables over time and
and so there are some veryemotional aspects to success
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that I think people oftenoverlook. But if we look at some
of the more unhealthypsychological people, like
people who are narcissists orsociopaths or psychopaths, they
almost always find a way to win,and it's usually at someone
else's expense. But yes, what'sinteresting is, it doesn't have
to be at anyone else's expense.
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Like, you can win without, youknow, harming other people.
Like, that's totally possible.
But the problem is, I think alot of good people carry a lot
of guilt.
Agi Keramidas (07:48):
This is already beginning to be very
fascinating, because you talkedabout the emotional aspects to
success, and I think many of us,myself included, have found
myself in a situation where Iwas taking all the right
actions, doing all the thingsthat, you know, I was told I
need to do, or following theguru or whatever, and I did not
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have the same results as someoneelse who was doing exactly the
same action. So when you saidabout the emotional aspect to
success, that is oftenoverlooked, that resonated. So
that's that's great. Let me askthen, since you mentioned the
book, it is called Realitytransurfing, and I read here in
(08:38):
your description, you said itwas the most complete and
comprehensive model of realitythat you had ever read up to
that point. So let me start.
Tell me what is the coreprinciple? If there is one core
principle of reality,transurfing and or anything else
you want to offer us anintroduction to the book, and
(09:00):
then we can take it deeper towhere, you know, follow the
Who's the first the rabbit hole?
Yeah,
Owen Hunt (09:12):
for sure. Well, there is a lot to unpack. I'll do my
best to shortcut it, as that'smy claim, anyway, but, but, I
mean, kind of a lot of it goesto what we were talking about a
little bit earlier. Is, isalignment and being truly in
alignment with yourself, thatyour heart, we're two part
beings. We have a heart and wehave a mind. And they can be
(09:35):
buddies. They can work on thesame team. Very often they do
not work on the same team. Themind has its own set of I guess
you could call it software, youknow. And the heart has its so
in the model, the heart isconnect, connected to infinity.
So in infinite possibilitiesexist simultaneously in reality,
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right? Infinity? Is amathematical certainty. So
because of that, it's less aboutlike trying to create and change
reality, and more what theauthor calls choosing, and the
way that we do that is by beingin alignment, by having our
heart and mind on the same team.
And he says, When you identifyyour true goal, it turns your
life into a celebration. And sothe key point there is when you
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identify your true goal, so it'snot necessarily by attaining it.
And this is why people are soprocess focused, right? Like
it's not about the destination,it's about the journey. And some
of these more maybe clichetruths shed in a different
light, but it's once you do seethe thing that you are really
excited about sharing, andyou're passionate about you have
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curiosity for at that point yourlife, you get excited, you get
motivated. And this sort ofhappens naturally, as opposed to
forcing yourself through a bunchof drudgery, which the mind
would if the mind is leading,then the mind is going to be
like, oh, we need to do thisthing because it makes the most
sense. It pays the bills. Itdoes this and blah, blah, blah.
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Now this doesn't mean that youcompletely devalue your mind.
The problem is is the mind isnot supposed to lead. The mind
should follow and figure outlogistics. The mind is capable,
as the author says, of takingold bricks and turning it into a
new structure, but it can'tcreate anything new of itself.
All new discoveries come fromthe heart. All new discoveries
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come from that infinity space,right? Like, as smart as the
smartest person is, they don'tdiscover anything based on what
has already been discovered. Youknow what I mean? Like, they
don't they bring something newin from this space that he calls
the space of alternatives, orthe space of variations, which
is synonymous to the dream worldin the model, and I think, a lot
of other esoteric models, but Ihad never put that together,
(11:47):
either. So that's the main gist.
There are some reallyinteresting phenomena that he
points out in the book, forinstance, the way that energy
works and or many of the waysthat energy works, energetic
informational structures or orentities or pendulums, which are
(12:09):
essentially clusters of energyor flows of energy that we often
tap into and we lose our ownidentification because of so an
example of that might be areligion or a sports team or a
governmental body or politicalparty, once we kind of give
ourselves over to one of thesestructures, we become a
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different version of ourselves.
And instead of reallyexemplifying who we are at a
deep level, we take on theattributes of whatever it is
that we're serving. Similar toEmerson, you know, talking about
if, if you were, let's say,someone who was a representative
of of a certain industry or acertain thought system, then he
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could tell you what your opinionwas going to be before he even
asked you, right, because you'rereally serving whatever that
thing is, as opposed to yourown. Take your own experience,
your own individuality. So it'sreally about getting back to
individuality more than anythingelse, and identifying the snags
and the trip wires that existthat keep us from being our true
(13:18):
selves.
Agi Keramidas (13:22):
Thank you for this explanation. The way I I
understand what you said aboutidentifying our true goal, or
the way you were describing thetrue goal, the word purpose came
to mind. I suppose it is asimilar thing, if not the same
thing. I see you nodding, butand I know, and I've read, and I
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felt personally, when you doalign with your heart's calling.
I might not, I might notnecessarily mean the ultimate
true goal, but the calling ofthe moment, you find that you
are in flow, that you haveenthusiasm, that synchronicities
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happen. So this, this is great,and as great as it is, I believe
it is only the first part,because once I am identifies, I
will say my true goal, andactually, we might talk a little
bit about how to do that also,but let's say we have identified
(14:31):
it. Then what? Because the roadto success might not it might
not be as easy. So that's what Iwanted to ask. How reality
transurfing helps in that part.
So once I have realized thatidentified my true goal, my
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purpose, what? Is the way that Iwill go there. What tweaks do I
need to make? How should Iapproach things? And also,
because you often have used theword reality, and even the book
talks about it has the titlereality, that's how I would like
to hear your thoughts. How toapproach that, especially under
(15:18):
the prism of reality. I hope myquestion makes sense. I think it
Owen Hunt (15:25):
does. So let me know if my answer makes it and we
can. We can iterate if itdoesn't, but I think I know what
you're asking, and essentiallywhat the author talks about in
the book is that there's aconstant flow of options and
alternatives coming into thisreality here in the third
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dimensional space, if we want tocall it, that material reality,
from the infinite space, or thespace of variations, the dream
world, whatever you want to callit. And so you could think of
this life as kind of a movie,right? Like we're moving through
time. So as we're doing that,what we're what our sort of job
is, is to key off of the flow ofalternates and to read the signs
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that are taking us to ourultimate goal. And there's a
couple of things. First of all,we must take action that's
absolutely essential. You know,there's a lot of people in
spirituality that are just like,do meditation, do meditation.
And there's nothing wrong withmeditating. Meditating is good.
It's good to be present. But thepoint of being present is not to
just basically surrender to themoment and be a victim. The
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point of being present is to beable to compose the frame and
work toward your goal, towardyour end goal, and so as you're
taking those actions, you readthe flow, and then you take what
action seems like the best foryou. He calls it the rustle of
the morning stars. It's likewhen your heart just knows
something, when you justinternally know something, then
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you do that thing. And so youmove toward that and every
action that you take, youcelebrate the action. And that's
kind of a similar idea as theBhagavad Gita, but, but
basically, you take the action,you celebrate that action, if,
if you get the result great, ifyou don't even better, the flow
is still taking you to yourgoal. And so you have that sort
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of of an approach where itdoesn't really matter,
everything's unfolding exactlyas it should. So you keep that
perspective and that frame inmind as you take action toward
your goal, you have no choicebut to get to it anyway. And you
know, sometimes you might itmight take a while, and that's
all right, you're not in a hurrybecause you've already
identified your true goal, andyour life's a celebration now
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because you're pursuing it.
Agi Keramidas (17:42):
I completely agree goes without saying with
the action that you say thatit's necessary to take action
it. I think that is obvious forme and for men. I know it's not
often, but sometimes it'sportrayed like all you need to
do is ask and nothing to do andyou will receive. Of course,
(18:05):
that is not the case. The otherthing you said, you talked about
reading the signs along the way.
So I would like to hear a bitmore about this. Tell me a bit
more about reading the signs.
Owen Hunt (18:20):
Sure. So in our heart, we either feel
comfortable or discomfort ordiscomfort whenever we consider
something. So one test you coulddo is to flip a coin, and then
whatever the coin comes up, seehow you feel. You know what I'm
saying, like, like, if it comeson heads, I'm gonna do it. If it
goes on tails, I'm not gonna doit. And then it comes on tails,
and you're like, Oh, I've kindof wanted to do it. Now, you
(18:42):
know what you wanted to do,right? You just got to trick
yourself. You can do muscletesting and stuff as well, but,
but the heart is very binary.
Your intuition is very yes orno, and if it's a maybe that
means no. So it should feelinternally like, yes, absolutely
this, and then it should be inalignment with the mind as well.
(19:05):
Like, okay, this makes sense,right? But that should be
secondary from the intuition ofthe heart or the soul or, you
know, those are synonymousterms, but, um, but yeah, that's
basically the gist is thatyou're going off of your
intuition and how it feels toyou, and that's your first and
most important point of contact.
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And then you take thatinformation, and then you use
your mind to filter it, and thenyou decide whether or not it's
the appropriate time to takeaction or not. And so a big part
of it is, is being present,being able to be calm and
patient in the flow and knowthat you know these options are
going to open up. And then youjust take action when the door
(19:51):
opens, as opposed to trying toforce it open. And you listen to
your your intuition on whichDirect. To go when there are
opportunities available, and ifit doesn't feel good, then you
don't do it. You know, it's assimple as that. So that's kind
of how we're keying off of thesite. And those may come up to
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for different people indifferent ways. You know, some
people see a, you know, adifferent kind of thing in in
their mind, or have a differenttype of a feeling about it, or
maybe even see something inreality that or overhear
something that's like, oh, that,that you hear, overhear someone
say something about somethingyou've been thinking about, and
(20:33):
it's a strange synchronicity.
So, you know, little things likethat can help us lead to that,
that flow, that path. You know,it's like a breadcrumb trail a
bit. You know where it's likeyou follow the next breadcrumb
and the next one. But if you'rethinking about it in a traffic
analogy, you know, you're behinda car, maybe, and you're trying
to get through all the traffic.
You're looking in front of you,but you're also looking down the
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street too, to be like, Okay,well, if I pass this guy, then
I'll go around the next one andon right. And so you're seeing
where you are and where you'regoing, and then keying off the
options in the moment that youhave, and then you just simply
just check your own feelingsabout it. Or you can muscle test
couple different ways to muscletest about a decision, and then
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you can take it that way,because I think that's going to
show up in your body as much asit will, you know, in your in
your mind or in your heart.
Agi Keramidas (21:27):
I believe it does, and learning to listen to
it, that is a different topic. Iliked very much you. You talked
about celebrating the actionregardless of whether you get
the outcome you wanted or not,and this is an art in itself,
being able to do that. What Iwanted to ask is, obviously, it
(21:53):
does get easier, shall we say,to celebrate when you actually
get what you want. How do youpropose, or does the book refer
to dealing with, let's say not,fulfillment of the outcome, or I
(22:14):
would use it in quotation marks,failure, or, you know, on things
don't go the way that we wantedto go, is there some kind of
technique or mindset tweak orsomething else that can guide
you through that, perhapsdifficult or even dark time?
(22:36):
Because, and I will speak frommy experience, these are the
times when the voice of the mindbecomes way much more loud, and
no matter how much you want tolisten to the heart that you
normally do, the fears andEverything that comes up becomes
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very, let's say, persuasive. Sowhat, what do you propose with
dealing with something likethat?
Owen Hunt (23:08):
Yeah, that's a great question, and it's something
that, yeah, it takes a lot ofpractice to start to work with
that. And that's why it's athat's why it's
Agi Keramidas (23:18):
practice indeed.
Yeah, the
Owen Hunt (23:19):
mind is gonna it's gonna do what it's gonna do. It
is very loud and the heart isgenerally quiet. So we have to
learn how to put the mind atease. And that's what a lot of
the book talks about with someof the elements of reality and
how it works. So what it kind ofdoes is it kind of helps us, you
know, see things in a differentway, so that we're not trying to
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control so much. It's reallyabout coordination more than
anything else. That would be thethe word that's, that's the one
there. Because if you're, youknow, if you're cocky or
confident, that's not really inbalance. And then if you're, you
know, insecure, that's out ofbalance. And so to be kind of
neutral in the thing, andunderstand that your mind can't
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know everything. It's alwaysgoing to try to get control over
a situation, try to controlthings and people. But as soon
as that happens, you're in a anagenda, you know. And so that
agenda is not going to begenerally rewarded
energetically, especially bypeople, you know. They're going
to sense that off of youimmediately. So So you want to
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just stay open as much as youcan in the flow, and when
certain circumstances don'tunfold the way you thought they
should, that doesn't mean thatyou've failed. It just means
that you need to iterate andtweak your process a little bit
and stay focused. It's it's anopportunity to to to solve a
problem. And the problems thatcome along, they don't have to
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be complicated. There can bevery simple solutions to complex
problems that pop up in aninstant, but the most important
thing is to stay calm and notget into cortisol, because
something didn't go exactly likeyou thought it should, and
that's the. Mind. That's themind always trying to have
control over things. But onceyou start to see this sort of
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work in reality, it's likeriding a bike, you know, like,
at first I need some trainingwheels, and then, you know,
Dad's on the back and he'spushing you or whatever, but
before you know it, you'retearing off going through the
neighborhood, right? And so ifyou never saw a bike before, and
then all of a sudden you saw oneyou'd never seen anyone ride it.
You might be like, I don't knowhow that's even possible to do,
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but then you see it happen, andthen when you see it happen,
your own reality and youactually do it well, it becomes
easier and easier for the mindto kind of calm down and stop
trying to control every singleoutcome. That's the biggest
block, I think, is that we havethis very specific image in our
head, and we try to make realityconform to it, when instead,
what we need to do is createthat image and the feeling that
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accompanies it, and thenbroadcast that feeling out to
the universe, which is a mirror,which will reflect it back to
us, and it won't necessarilylook exactly like we pictured in
our mind. Maybe it willsometimes, I don't know, for me,
it never really has, but that'snot the point. The point is the
essence of it, the essence ofthe goal, what it what it
represents, and how it feels,not necessarily a specific range
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of expression where every littledetail matches this idea that we
had in our head.
Agi Keramidas (26:29):
So you're saying that broadcasting the feeling
rather than the image of youknow what we want to achieve or
be or do or have? Yes,
Owen Hunt (26:42):
I am. I think the image, the point of the image,
is to evoke the emit, thefeeling, Yeah, correct. I
believe so.
Agi Keramidas (26:51):
I agree. Sounds very, very intuitively. It
sounds very correct. There WasYou mentioned a couple of times
about the heart and the mindworking either collaborating or
not working together, and youtalk about an analogy with the
(27:14):
car and the driver. So tell me,share this with us, because I
think it's something very usefulas analogies. Very much help.
Yeah, sure.
Owen Hunt (27:26):
I love this analogy.
So yeah, if you've driven a car,you know, you've got someone
driving in the driver's seat andsomeone in the passenger seat
riding what we call shotgun herein the States, but the heart
should be the driver of the carand leading where it is that
you're going. It should besomething where you know
internally, at a deep level,what it is that you're doing and
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why you're doing it. You havethat true north pointing in that
direction, and that's leadingyou in the direction that you're
going, whereas the mind is likethe Navigator. It's reading the
map back when we had them, youknow, the mind is the GPS.
Maybe, you know, like pingingoff of the different options in
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the flow and being like, Oh,this will be the most practical
path to get there. So our mindis great. It just needs to take
its rightful place in thepassenger seat, helping the
heart to navigate what it wants.
And that's, I think, one of thebiggest stumbling blocks, is
that we often put, you know, thelogic in front. And I'll be real
(28:32):
honest and say, I don't think wereally do much of anything from
a logical place. Even people whoassume that they're logical
really aren't that logical.
They're mostly making emotionaland impulsive decisions and then
justifying it with logic alreadyanyway. So I think it helps to
acknowledge that fact and justsay, Okay, what is it that I do
really want? Like, what is thatthing? What am I passionate
(28:53):
about? What am I truly curiousabout? Like, where's my
curiosity guiding me? And howcan I open up and accept that.
So that's where, that's, yeah,that's the analogy in general,
the heart should be the driverand the mind the navigator,
playing, you know, co Captain,you know, right second, second,
command.
Agi Keramidas (29:17):
That's great, own what? What's one practical thing
that you can advise ourlisteners a mastery seeker right
now that based on what theconversation that we had so far,
what's something that thelistener can do today or
(29:38):
tomorrow towards what we havebeen talking about, alignment
and so on. Sure
Owen Hunt (29:45):
I would say, Okay, I'll give a really simple
exercise. You could just make atwo column list and then write
down what your heart wants, whatyou might like, you know, bucket
list items, things that areinteresting to you. I mean, take
as much time as you need write.
2030, 4050, things, whatever onone column, like heart. This is
what brings me joy. This is whatI like, walking, gardening. You
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know, it doesn't matter,actions, activities, even
things, objects that you youknow your heart likes. Write
that on one side of the piece ofpaper, and then on the other
side, make a mind column, andthen write down all the things
that your mind is challenged byand enjoys, if that's chess or,
you know, remodeling homes orwhatever. And then start to see
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where those two things line up,see what activities that your
heart and mind have in common.
And then you get a little bitmore of insight into yourself
and and what is in, you know,congruence with you, you might
find some surprises in there.
Hearts are kind of kinky, I'llbe honest.
Agi Keramidas (30:48):
Because once one takes the the time and invest
the time to actually do thesekinds of exercises carefully.
And you know, there aresurprises that come, there are
tears that might come. There areso many realizations. And as you
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can probably tell, I'm talkingabout from experience. Owen,
where do you want to direct thelistener of this conversation
that wants to find out moreabout you and what you do and
how to help Sure,
Owen Hunt (31:28):
yeah, I have a website that has pretty much all
that information on it there.
It's probably the mostconvenient place to find some
things. I've got quite a fewgifts and freebies and things
like that on the website, andthen I've got links to
everything else on my socialmedia and all that. It's just
Bootsy greenwood.com you canalso find me on YouTube. I make
(31:48):
a lot of videos there at BootsyGreenwood, and then Instagram,
at Bootsy Greenwood. BootsieGreenwood is my handle on social
media, so if you're looking forme, that's where you can find
me. And it's pretty much acrossall platforms. So yeah, website
bootsygrewood.com and thenBootsie Greenwood on the
internets. Thank you.
Agi Keramidas (32:10):
That's great. And before I have a couple of final
quick questions to ask you, Istill have one more about the
book. We're talking about aquick one, and that's it. If you
had to explain the concept ofreality transaction to a 10 year
old, how would you simplified itso that the child could get
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something and do something withtheir life?
Owen Hunt (32:37):
Probably the 10 year old, the 10 year old could teach
me better than I can teach the10 year old. You know, I
honestly believe that. I mean,that's kind of what I'm sort of
attempting to do with all thisstuff, because it is a pretty
there are a lot of differentideas in the book that are
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presented, but ultimately, it'sreally about being your best
self and giving your gift to theworld. And so if that's
something that people areinterested in, they want to
learn how they can win and alsobenefit the rest of society
humanity, that's what it'sabout. It's a win, win. It's
finding your finding the bestthing that you can do, and doing
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that for as many people as youcan,
Agi Keramidas (33:25):
and a couple of final quick questions on for
you. And the first one is, whatdoes personal development mean
to you?
Owen Hunt (33:37):
Well, personal development is really important
to me. I think we're alwaysgoing into development or
degradation, so it's essentialif you want to continue to
develop, to put energy andeffort into it. And it gets
hard. Sometimes it's not alwayseasy, but it's a lifestyle.
Personal development is alifestyle. It's not something
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that you sit down and do onetime, it's something that you
have to be consistent with andcontinue to move down the road,
you know? So that's whatpersonal development is. To me.
It's a, it's a challenge, it's anecessity. It's like moving
around, going to the gym,whatever fill in the blank that
you need to do, writing,whatever it is that you do.
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It's, it's, it's a, it's, it's ano, non negotiable and
Agi Keramidas (34:24):
hypothetical question. If you could go back
in time and meet your 18 yearold self, what's one piece of
advice you would give him
Owen Hunt (34:33):
so many pieces of advice you
Agi Keramidas (34:36):
can only have one.
Owen Hunt (34:40):
Yeah, don't go to college.
Oh, my God. I had a great time.
I have no regrets, but if Icould go back to my 18 year old
self, I'd be like, Dude, youknow, just don't even go. Don't
go to don't pay all that money.
You.
Agi Keramidas (35:00):
Owen, I want to thank you very much for this
fascinating conversation. Ienjoyed very much, and there
were some insights there. So Iappreciate you very much for
this. I want to wish you all thevery best with your journey and
your mission. I will leave it toyou for your final part in
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wisdom.
Owen Hunt (35:22):
Oh, don't take this stuff too seriously. You know,
we're all gonna die anyway. Andtry to keep that in mind and
just try to have as much fun. Imean, like I said, kind of like
I said, I was a pleasure seekerbefore I learned all this. And I
think that people, we kind ofcome in a circle and around like
(35:43):
a spiral. As we as we grow, wego out and it's okay to enjoy
life. It's okay to have fun. Youknow, this stuff is important,
but it's not so serious. Life isa cosmic joke, and let's find
ways to enjoy it as much aspossible. So I want people to,
yeah, find their joy and theirbliss and follow that and yeah,
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if I can help in any way morethan happy to much love.
Agi Keramidas (36:14):
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And I ask for one simple, quickfavor, if you like this podcast,
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you. And until next time, standout, don't fit in.
What if the key to success wasn't about working
harder, but about aligning withyour true purpose and allowing
reality to work in your favor?
Hmm, interesting. Huh. Then thisepisode 482 is for you mastery
seeker. Welcome to personaldevelopment. Mastery, the
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podcast that helps intelligent,busy men and women develop self
mastery and discover theircalling so you can thrive in a
fulfilling, purposeful life. Iam your host. Agi Keramidas, by
listening to this episode, youare going to discover how to
align your heart and mind foreffortless success. You will
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learn why emotions and energyplay a bigger role in
acknowledging goals than logicalone, and you will gain
practical exercise to identifyyour purpose and take meaningful
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go to mastery seekers, tribe.comnow let's get started. Today.
I'm delighted to speak with Owenhunt or Bucha Greenwood. Owen,
(01:30):
you are known as the Blue Collarmystic, and you are an
entrepreneur, stand up,comedian, Hollywood producer and
coach. You are passionate abouthelping others discover and
align with their life's purpose.
And through your work, you makecomplex spiritual and
(01:54):
metaphysical conceptsaccessible, helping people
embrace their authentic selves,harness their creative potential
and manifest their dream lives.
Oh, and welcome to the show.
It's a pleasure to speak withyou today.
Owen Hunt (02:08):
It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for
having
Agi Keramidas (02:10):
I'm really looking forward to this
conversation. I was as I wastelling you earlier, there are
some things about your story andwhat you teach that I'm very
intrigued about in particular.
And I will briefly, I will onlymention that and leave it aside
for the moment. That book thatyou read, the Russian mystical
(02:32):
book that really changed the waythat you see things or see
reality, for that matter. Sowhat I would like to start Owen
with is give us a little bit ofa background of the person that
you were before, because I knowthat just over 10 years ago, you
were at a very different placethat you are today.
Owen Hunt (02:59):
Sure. So, you know, I would say 10 years ago, so or
so, yeah, maybe even longer thanthat, I was just looking for
answers. I didn't know what Iwanted to do, and I had picked
up a lot of different spiritualbooks and different ideas over
time, and I'd found myselfpretty lost, pretty listless,
(03:19):
and just working as a bartender.
Just, I had just gone through abreakup. I, you know, I was at
one of those places in life thatwas kind of, you know, felt like
a bottom shelf, emotionally and,and so I was, yeah, just pretty,
pretty turned around and kind ofconfused and, and then I found,
I found a book that really kindof tied a lot of the ideas that
(03:40):
I found in other books togetherin a way that just really just
hit right for me, and I realizedthat I could be in alignment
with myself. And this mightsound like so simple and
fundamental to people, but itwas a huge epiphany for me,
especially at the time, becauseI really thought that you either
had to be a broke creative oryou had to go and just do the
(04:03):
logical, most, you know, mostpractical life that we would be
miserable at in corporateAmerica, or whatever that meant
for you, you know that it waskind of one or the other. It was
like either you play and havefun and be kind of a degenerate,
you know, which sort of, youknow, whatever you know, no
judgment. Or you become, youknow, a very uptight and stiff,
(04:26):
you know, blue or white collar,you know, type of worker or
whatever, right? And so I didn'treally see much of a gap between
those two possibilities. And Ihad spent most of my life, just
chasing fun and pleasure up tothat point and just, you know, I
mean, hey, whatever I'm I hadsome amazing experiences doing
(04:47):
that, but by realizing that Icould be in alignment with
myself, that I could, like, livea deeper purpose and give a
little bit more back, but alsoenjoy. And have pleasure in what
it was that I was doing,providing as a service, that was
a huge epiphany for me. So thatstarted a whole new journey, and
started me learning a lot moreabout spirituality, its
(05:10):
concepts, and getting someinteresting opportunities to
experiment and try this stuffout.
Agi Keramidas (05:19):
Thank you. And you know you said, you talked
about the epiphany ofunderstanding that to be in
alignment with with ourself. Ithink you called it something
like that, and that is, it mightsound simple, but how many
people actually have taken thetime to understand that. And you
(05:41):
know, when you say alignmentwith ourself, you first need to
understand who is the self,before you are really it is not
that question, I think, has avery, has infinite depth. It is.
It might sound like a simplequestion, so that was a very. I
understand why it must have beenan epi funny for you to Yeah,
Owen Hunt (06:05):
I think that I had seen a lot of friends of mine
who were successful really justby being themselves. And they
kind of had a natural ability tosort of know who they were,
whereas I had a little bit moreof a struggle to kind of parse
that out and figure it out formyself and see it and you know,
(06:26):
like you said, it's an ongoingjourney. It's not something that
really ever stops. But when Isaw the way that they interacted
and how reality sort of favoredthem, and then I read the book,
it's like, oh, well, duh. Thisis why, you know, like, here are
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the reasons why there are somereal emotional aspects to
success. You know, people talkabout the regiment and the
logical progression and all ofthese types of things. But the
truth of it is, is reality isnot linear, not whatsoever. All
kinds of things are happening.
We can't calculate all theinfinite variables over time and
and so there are some veryemotional aspects to success
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that I think people oftenoverlook. But if we look at some
of the more unhealthypsychological people, like
people who are narcissists orsociopaths or psychopaths, they
almost always find a way to win,and it's usually at someone
else's expense. But yes, what'sinteresting is, it doesn't have
to be at anyone else's expense.
(07:33):
Like, you can win without, youknow, harming other people.
Like, that's totally possible.
But the problem is, I think alot of good people carry a lot
of guilt.
Agi Keramidas (07:48):
This is already beginning to be very
fascinating, because you talkedabout the emotional aspects to
success, and I think many of us,myself included, have found
myself in a situation where Iwas taking all the right
actions, doing all the thingsthat, you know, I was told I
need to do, or following theguru or whatever, and I did not
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have the same results as someoneelse who was doing exactly the
same action. So when you saidabout the emotional aspect to
success, that is oftenoverlooked, that resonated. So
that's that's great. Let me askthen, since you mentioned the
book, it is called Realitytransurfing, and I read here in
(08:38):
your description, you said itwas the most complete and
comprehensive model of realitythat you had ever read up to
that point. So let me start.
Tell me what is the coreprinciple? If there is one core
principle of reality,transurfing and or anything else
you want to offer us anintroduction to the book, and
(09:00):
then we can take it deeper towhere, you know, follow the
Who's the first the rabbit hole?
Yeah,
Owen Hunt (09:12):
for sure. Well, there is a lot to unpack. I'll do my
best to shortcut it, as that'smy claim, anyway, but, but, I
mean, kind of a lot of it goesto what we were talking about a
little bit earlier. Is, isalignment and being truly in
alignment with yourself, thatyour heart, we're two part
beings. We have a heart and wehave a mind. And they can be
(09:35):
buddies. They can work on thesame team. Very often they do
not work on the same team. Themind has its own set of I guess
you could call it software, youknow. And the heart has its so
in the model, the heart isconnect, connected to infinity.
So in infinite possibilitiesexist simultaneously in reality,
(09:59):
right? Infinity? Is amathematical certainty. So
because of that, it's less aboutlike trying to create and change
reality, and more what theauthor calls choosing, and the
way that we do that is by beingin alignment, by having our
heart and mind on the same team.
And he says, When you identifyyour true goal, it turns your
life into a celebration. And sothe key point there is when you
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identify your true goal, so it'snot necessarily by attaining it.
And this is why people are soprocess focused, right? Like
it's not about the destination,it's about the journey. And some
of these more maybe clichetruths shed in a different
light, but it's once you do seethe thing that you are really
excited about sharing, andyou're passionate about you have
(10:42):
curiosity for at that point yourlife, you get excited, you get
motivated. And this sort ofhappens naturally, as opposed to
forcing yourself through a bunchof drudgery, which the mind
would if the mind is leading,then the mind is going to be
like, oh, we need to do thisthing because it makes the most
sense. It pays the bills. Itdoes this and blah, blah, blah.
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Now this doesn't mean that youcompletely devalue your mind.
The problem is is the mind isnot supposed to lead. The mind
should follow and figure outlogistics. The mind is capable,
as the author says, of takingold bricks and turning it into a
new structure, but it can'tcreate anything new of itself.
All new discoveries come fromthe heart. All new discoveries
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come from that infinity space,right? Like, as smart as the
smartest person is, they don'tdiscover anything based on what
has already been discovered. Youknow what I mean? Like, they
don't they bring something newin from this space that he calls
the space of alternatives, orthe space of variations, which
is synonymous to the dream worldin the model, and I think, a lot
of other esoteric models, but Ihad never put that together,
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either. So that's the main gist.
There are some reallyinteresting phenomena that he
points out in the book, forinstance, the way that energy
works and or many of the waysthat energy works, energetic
informational structures or orentities or pendulums, which are
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essentially clusters of energyor flows of energy that we often
tap into and we lose our ownidentification because of so an
example of that might be areligion or a sports team or a
governmental body or politicalparty, once we kind of give
ourselves over to one of thesestructures, we become a
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different version of ourselves.
And instead of reallyexemplifying who we are at a
deep level, we take on theattributes of whatever it is
that we're serving. Similar toEmerson, you know, talking about
if, if you were, let's say,someone who was a representative
of of a certain industry or acertain thought system, then he
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could tell you what your opinionwas going to be before he even
asked you, right, because you'rereally serving whatever that
thing is, as opposed to yourown. Take your own experience,
your own individuality. So it'sreally about getting back to
individuality more than anythingelse, and identifying the snags
and the trip wires that existthat keep us from being our true
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selves.
Agi Keramidas (13:22):
Thank you for this explanation. The way I I
understand what you said aboutidentifying our true goal, or
the way you were describing thetrue goal, the word purpose came
to mind. I suppose it is asimilar thing, if not the same
thing. I see you nodding, butand I know, and I've read, and I
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felt personally, when you doalign with your heart's calling.
I might not, I might notnecessarily mean the ultimate
true goal, but the calling ofthe moment, you find that you
are in flow, that you haveenthusiasm, that synchronicities
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happen. So this, this is great,and as great as it is, I believe
it is only the first part,because once I am identifies, I
will say my true goal, andactually, we might talk a little
bit about how to do that also,but let's say we have identified
(14:31):
it. Then what? Because the roadto success might not it might
not be as easy. So that's what Iwanted to ask. How reality
transurfing helps in that part.
So once I have realized thatidentified my true goal, my
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purpose, what? Is the way that Iwill go there. What tweaks do I
need to make? How should Iapproach things? And also,
because you often have used theword reality, and even the book
talks about it has the titlereality, that's how I would like
to hear your thoughts. How toapproach that, especially under
(15:18):
the prism of reality. I hope myquestion makes sense. I think it
Owen Hunt (15:25):
does. So let me know if my answer makes it and we
can. We can iterate if itdoesn't, but I think I know what
you're asking, and essentiallywhat the author talks about in
the book is that there's aconstant flow of options and
alternatives coming into thisreality here in the third
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dimensional space, if we want tocall it, that material reality,
from the infinite space, or thespace of variations, the dream
world, whatever you want to callit. And so you could think of
this life as kind of a movie,right? Like we're moving through
time. So as we're doing that,what we're what our sort of job
is, is to key off of the flow ofalternates and to read the signs
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that are taking us to ourultimate goal. And there's a
couple of things. First of all,we must take action that's
absolutely essential. You know,there's a lot of people in
spirituality that are just like,do meditation, do meditation.
And there's nothing wrong withmeditating. Meditating is good.
It's good to be present. But thepoint of being present is not to
just basically surrender to themoment and be a victim. The
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point of being present is to beable to compose the frame and
work toward your goal, towardyour end goal, and so as you're
taking those actions, you readthe flow, and then you take what
action seems like the best foryou. He calls it the rustle of
the morning stars. It's likewhen your heart just knows
something, when you justinternally know something, then
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you do that thing. And so youmove toward that and every
action that you take, youcelebrate the action. And that's
kind of a similar idea as theBhagavad Gita, but, but
basically, you take the action,you celebrate that action, if,
if you get the result great, ifyou don't even better, the flow
is still taking you to yourgoal. And so you have that sort
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of of an approach where itdoesn't really matter,
everything's unfolding exactlyas it should. So you keep that
perspective and that frame inmind as you take action toward
your goal, you have no choicebut to get to it anyway. And you
know, sometimes you might itmight take a while, and that's
all right, you're not in a hurrybecause you've already
identified your true goal, andyour life's a celebration now
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because you're pursuing it.
Agi Keramidas (17:42):
I completely agree goes without saying with
the action that you say thatit's necessary to take action
it. I think that is obvious forme and for men. I know it's not
often, but sometimes it'sportrayed like all you need to
do is ask and nothing to do andyou will receive. Of course,
(18:05):
that is not the case. The otherthing you said, you talked about
reading the signs along the way.
So I would like to hear a bitmore about this. Tell me a bit
more about reading the signs.
Owen Hunt (18:20):
Sure. So in our heart, we either feel
comfortable or discomfort ordiscomfort whenever we consider
something. So one test you coulddo is to flip a coin, and then
whatever the coin comes up, seehow you feel. You know what I'm
saying, like, like, if it comeson heads, I'm gonna do it. If it
goes on tails, I'm not gonna doit. And then it comes on tails,
and you're like, Oh, I've kindof wanted to do it. Now, you
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know what you wanted to do,right? You just got to trick
yourself. You can do muscletesting and stuff as well, but,
but the heart is very binary.
Your intuition is very yes orno, and if it's a maybe that
means no. So it should feelinternally like, yes, absolutely
this, and then it should be inalignment with the mind as well.
(19:05):
Like, okay, this makes sense,right? But that should be
secondary from the intuition ofthe heart or the soul or, you
know, those are synonymousterms, but, um, but yeah, that's
basically the gist is thatyou're going off of your
intuition and how it feels toyou, and that's your first and
most important point of contact.
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And then you take thatinformation, and then you use
your mind to filter it, and thenyou decide whether or not it's
the appropriate time to takeaction or not. And so a big part
of it is, is being present,being able to be calm and
patient in the flow and knowthat you know these options are
going to open up. And then youjust take action when the door
(19:51):
opens, as opposed to trying toforce it open. And you listen to
your your intuition on whichDirect. To go when there are
opportunities available, and ifit doesn't feel good, then you
don't do it. You know, it's assimple as that. So that's kind
of how we're keying off of thesite. And those may come up to
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for different people indifferent ways. You know, some
people see a, you know, adifferent kind of thing in in
their mind, or have a differenttype of a feeling about it, or
maybe even see something inreality that or overhear
something that's like, oh, that,that you hear, overhear someone
say something about somethingyou've been thinking about, and
(20:33):
it's a strange synchronicity.
So, you know, little things likethat can help us lead to that,
that flow, that path. You know,it's like a breadcrumb trail a
bit. You know where it's likeyou follow the next breadcrumb
and the next one. But if you'rethinking about it in a traffic
analogy, you know, you're behinda car, maybe, and you're trying
to get through all the traffic.
You're looking in front of you,but you're also looking down the
(20:57):
street too, to be like, Okay,well, if I pass this guy, then
I'll go around the next one andon right. And so you're seeing
where you are and where you'regoing, and then keying off the
options in the moment that youhave, and then you just simply
just check your own feelingsabout it. Or you can muscle test
couple different ways to muscletest about a decision, and then
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you can take it that way,because I think that's going to
show up in your body as much asit will, you know, in your in
your mind or in your heart.
Agi Keramidas (21:27):
I believe it does, and learning to listen to
it, that is a different topic. Iliked very much you. You talked
about celebrating the actionregardless of whether you get
the outcome you wanted or not,and this is an art in itself,
being able to do that. What Iwanted to ask is, obviously, it
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does get easier, shall we say,to celebrate when you actually
get what you want. How do youpropose, or does the book refer
to dealing with, let's say not,fulfillment of the outcome, or I
(22:14):
would use it in quotation marks,failure, or, you know, on things
don't go the way that we wantedto go, is there some kind of
technique or mindset tweak orsomething else that can guide
you through that, perhapsdifficult or even dark time?
(22:36):
Because, and I will speak frommy experience, these are the
times when the voice of the mindbecomes way much more loud, and
no matter how much you want tolisten to the heart that you
normally do, the fears andEverything that comes up becomes
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very, let's say, persuasive. Sowhat, what do you propose with
dealing with something likethat?
Owen Hunt (23:08):
Yeah, that's a great question, and it's something
that, yeah, it takes a lot ofpractice to start to work with
that. And that's why it's athat's why it's
Agi Keramidas (23:18):
practice indeed.
Yeah, the
Owen Hunt (23:19):
mind is gonna it's gonna do what it's gonna do. It
is very loud and the heart isgenerally quiet. So we have to
learn how to put the mind atease. And that's what a lot of
the book talks about with someof the elements of reality and
how it works. So what it kind ofdoes is it kind of helps us, you
know, see things in a differentway, so that we're not trying to
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control so much. It's reallyabout coordination more than
anything else. That would be thethe word that's, that's the one
there. Because if you're, youknow, if you're cocky or
confident, that's not really inbalance. And then if you're, you
know, insecure, that's out ofbalance. And so to be kind of
neutral in the thing, andunderstand that your mind can't
(24:02):
know everything. It's alwaysgoing to try to get control over
a situation, try to controlthings and people. But as soon
as that happens, you're in a anagenda, you know. And so that
agenda is not going to begenerally rewarded
energetically, especially bypeople, you know. They're going
to sense that off of youimmediately. So So you want to
(24:24):
just stay open as much as youcan in the flow, and when
certain circumstances don'tunfold the way you thought they
should, that doesn't mean thatyou've failed. It just means
that you need to iterate andtweak your process a little bit
and stay focused. It's it's anopportunity to to to solve a
problem. And the problems thatcome along, they don't have to
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be complicated. There can bevery simple solutions to complex
problems that pop up in aninstant, but the most important
thing is to stay calm and notget into cortisol, because
something didn't go exactly likeyou thought it should, and
that's the. Mind. That's themind always trying to have
control over things. But onceyou start to see this sort of
(25:08):
work in reality, it's likeriding a bike, you know, like,
at first I need some trainingwheels, and then, you know,
Dad's on the back and he'spushing you or whatever, but
before you know it, you'retearing off going through the
neighborhood, right? And so ifyou never saw a bike before, and
then all of a sudden you saw oneyou'd never seen anyone ride it.
You might be like, I don't knowhow that's even possible to do,
(25:31):
but then you see it happen, andthen when you see it happen,
your own reality and youactually do it well, it becomes
easier and easier for the mindto kind of calm down and stop
trying to control every singleoutcome. That's the biggest
block, I think, is that we havethis very specific image in our
head, and we try to make realityconform to it, when instead,
what we need to do is createthat image and the feeling that
(25:53):
accompanies it, and thenbroadcast that feeling out to
the universe, which is a mirror,which will reflect it back to
us, and it won't necessarilylook exactly like we pictured in
our mind. Maybe it willsometimes, I don't know, for me,
it never really has, but that'snot the point. The point is the
essence of it, the essence ofthe goal, what it what it
represents, and how it feels,not necessarily a specific range
(26:20):
of expression where every littledetail matches this idea that we
had in our head.
Agi Keramidas (26:29):
So you're saying that broadcasting the feeling
rather than the image of youknow what we want to achieve or
be or do or have? Yes,
Owen Hunt (26:42):
I am. I think the image, the point of the image,
is to evoke the emit, thefeeling, Yeah, correct. I
believe so.
Agi Keramidas (26:51):
I agree. Sounds very, very intuitively. It
sounds very correct. There WasYou mentioned a couple of times
about the heart and the mindworking either collaborating or
not working together, and youtalk about an analogy with the
(27:14):
car and the driver. So tell me,share this with us, because I
think it's something very usefulas analogies. Very much help.
Yeah, sure.
Owen Hunt (27:26):
I love this analogy.
So yeah, if you've driven a car,you know, you've got someone
driving in the driver's seat andsomeone in the passenger seat
riding what we call shotgun herein the States, but the heart
should be the driver of the carand leading where it is that
you're going. It should besomething where you know
internally, at a deep level,what it is that you're doing and
(27:46):
why you're doing it. You havethat true north pointing in that
direction, and that's leadingyou in the direction that you're
going, whereas the mind is likethe Navigator. It's reading the
map back when we had them, youknow, the mind is the GPS.
Maybe, you know, like pingingoff of the different options in
(28:09):
the flow and being like, Oh,this will be the most practical
path to get there. So our mindis great. It just needs to take
its rightful place in thepassenger seat, helping the
heart to navigate what it wants.
And that's, I think, one of thebiggest stumbling blocks, is
that we often put, you know, thelogic in front. And I'll be real
(28:32):
honest and say, I don't think wereally do much of anything from
a logical place. Even people whoassume that they're logical
really aren't that logical.
They're mostly making emotionaland impulsive decisions and then
justifying it with logic alreadyanyway. So I think it helps to
acknowledge that fact and justsay, Okay, what is it that I do
really want? Like, what is thatthing? What am I passionate
(28:53):
about? What am I truly curiousabout? Like, where's my
curiosity guiding me? And howcan I open up and accept that.
So that's where, that's, yeah,that's the analogy in general,
the heart should be the driverand the mind the navigator,
playing, you know, co Captain,you know, right second, second,
command.
Agi Keramidas (29:17):
That's great, own what? What's one practical thing
that you can advise ourlisteners a mastery seeker right
now that based on what theconversation that we had so far,
what's something that thelistener can do today or
(29:38):
tomorrow towards what we havebeen talking about, alignment
and so on. Sure
Owen Hunt (29:45):
I would say, Okay, I'll give a really simple
exercise. You could just make atwo column list and then write
down what your heart wants, whatyou might like, you know, bucket
list items, things that areinteresting to you. I mean, take
as much time as you need write.
2030, 4050, things, whatever onone column, like heart. This is
what brings me joy. This is whatI like, walking, gardening. You
(30:06):
know, it doesn't matter,actions, activities, even
things, objects that you youknow your heart likes. Write
that on one side of the piece ofpaper, and then on the other
side, make a mind column, andthen write down all the things
that your mind is challenged byand enjoys, if that's chess or,
you know, remodeling homes orwhatever. And then start to see
(30:28):
where those two things line up,see what activities that your
heart and mind have in common.
And then you get a little bitmore of insight into yourself
and and what is in, you know,congruence with you, you might
find some surprises in there.
Hearts are kind of kinky, I'llbe honest.
Agi Keramidas (30:48):
Because once one takes the the time and invest
the time to actually do thesekinds of exercises carefully.
And you know, there aresurprises that come, there are
tears that might come. There areso many realizations. And as you
(31:09):
can probably tell, I'm talkingabout from experience. Owen,
where do you want to direct thelistener of this conversation
that wants to find out moreabout you and what you do and
how to help Sure,
Owen Hunt (31:28):
yeah, I have a website that has pretty much all
that information on it there.
It's probably the mostconvenient place to find some
things. I've got quite a fewgifts and freebies and things
like that on the website, andthen I've got links to
everything else on my socialmedia and all that. It's just
Bootsy greenwood.com you canalso find me on YouTube. I make
(31:48):
a lot of videos there at BootsyGreenwood, and then Instagram,
at Bootsy Greenwood. BootsieGreenwood is my handle on social
media, so if you're looking forme, that's where you can find
me. And it's pretty much acrossall platforms. So yeah, website
bootsygrewood.com and thenBootsie Greenwood on the
internets. Thank you.
Agi Keramidas (32:10):
That's great. And before I have a couple of final
quick questions to ask you, Istill have one more about the
book. We're talking about aquick one, and that's it. If you
had to explain the concept ofreality transaction to a 10 year
old, how would you simplified itso that the child could get
(32:35):
something and do something withtheir life?
Owen Hunt (32:37):
Probably the 10 year old, the 10 year old could teach
me better than I can teach the10 year old. You know, I
honestly believe that. I mean,that's kind of what I'm sort of
attempting to do with all thisstuff, because it is a pretty
there are a lot of differentideas in the book that are
(32:59):
presented, but ultimately, it'sreally about being your best
self and giving your gift to theworld. And so if that's
something that people areinterested in, they want to
learn how they can win and alsobenefit the rest of society
humanity, that's what it'sabout. It's a win, win. It's
finding your finding the bestthing that you can do, and doing
(33:22):
that for as many people as youcan,
Agi Keramidas (33:25):
and a couple of final quick questions on for
you. And the first one is, whatdoes personal development mean
to you?
Owen Hunt (33:37):
Well, personal development is really important
to me. I think we're alwaysgoing into development or
degradation, so it's essentialif you want to continue to
develop, to put energy andeffort into it. And it gets
hard. Sometimes it's not alwayseasy, but it's a lifestyle.
Personal development is alifestyle. It's not something
(33:58):
that you sit down and do onetime, it's something that you
have to be consistent with andcontinue to move down the road,
you know? So that's whatpersonal development is. To me.
It's a, it's a challenge, it's anecessity. It's like moving
around, going to the gym,whatever fill in the blank that
you need to do, writing,whatever it is that you do.
(34:18):
It's, it's, it's a, it's, it's ano, non negotiable and
Agi Keramidas (34:24):
hypothetical question. If you could go back
in time and meet your 18 yearold self, what's one piece of
advice you would give him
Owen Hunt (34:33):
so many pieces of advice you
Agi Keramidas (34:36):
can only have one.
Owen Hunt (34:40):
Yeah, don't go to college.
Oh, my God. I had a great time.
I have no regrets, but if Icould go back to my 18 year old
self, I'd be like, Dude, youknow, just don't even go. Don't
go to don't pay all that money.
You.
Agi Keramidas (35:00):
Owen, I want to thank you very much for this
fascinating conversation. Ienjoyed very much, and there
were some insights there. So Iappreciate you very much for
this. I want to wish you all thevery best with your journey and
your mission. I will leave it toyou for your final part in
(35:20):
wisdom.
Owen Hunt (35:22):
Oh, don't take this stuff too seriously. You know,
we're all gonna die anyway. Andtry to keep that in mind and
just try to have as much fun. Imean, like I said, kind of like
I said, I was a pleasure seekerbefore I learned all this. And I
think that people, we kind ofcome in a circle and around like
(35:43):
a spiral. As we as we grow, wego out and it's okay to enjoy
life. It's okay to have fun. Youknow, this stuff is important,
but it's not so serious. Life isa cosmic joke, and let's find
ways to enjoy it as much aspossible. So I want people to,
yeah, find their joy and theirbliss and follow that and yeah,
(36:07):
if I can help in any way morethan happy to much love.
Agi Keramidas (36:14):
I hope you have found this episode enlightening.
And I ask for one simple, quickfavor, if you like this podcast,
think of someone else you knowwho might find it useful and
share it with them by doing soyou'll not only help the podcast
grow, but also add value topeople you care about. So thank
(36:37):
you. And until next time, standout, don't fit in.
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