What if your biggest business challenge is actually your greatest opportunity for personal growth?
In today’s fast-paced, high-pressure world, intelligent and driven professionals often find themselves overwhelmed by internal and external challenges. But what if those obstacles aren't setbacks at all? What if they're powerful feedback mechanisms pointing toward deeper alignment and lasting fulfillment?
* Discover how anxiety, frustration, and even external business chaos can serve as internal guides toward clarity and growth.
* Learn a practical, real-world approach to identifying the root causes of professional problems by reframing them through the lens of self-awareness.
* Explore how recognizing the emotional patterns in leadership and business can transform reactivity into inspired, objective decision-making.
Listen now to uncover how your business challenges can become the most direct path to purpose-driven growth and personal mastery.
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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:
03:50 - Carly's Turning Point: From External Blame to Internal Clarity
06:36 - Understanding Your Body and Business as Feedback Systems
08:03 - Emotional Triggers and Strategic Misalignment
10:43 - The Importance of Digging to the Root Cause
14:26 - Balancing Emotional Highs and Lows in Business
19:26 - Fulfillment vs. Elation: Redefining “Feeling Good”
22:55 - Practical Tools to Move Beyond Emotional Reactions
28:43 - Defining Personal Development and Purpose
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MEMORABLE QUOTE:
"It doesn't look like it now, but you got this and everything is perfect the way it is. You'll see it later, but don't worry, you're right on track."
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Agi Keramidas (00:00):
What if your biggest professional challenge
is actually your greatestopportunity for personal growth,
revealing deeper truths aboutwho you are and guiding you to
align with fulfilment? Welcometo personal development mastery,
(00:21):
the podcast that helpsintelligent, busy professionals
develop self mastery anddiscover their calling so you
can thrive in a fulfilling,purposeful life. I'm your host,
Agi Keramidas, and this isepisode 502 in today's fast
paced world, we often findourselves overwhelmed by
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challenges, both external andinternal. But what if those
obstacles aren't setbacks atall? What if they are feedback
mechanisms pointing towardalignment and fulfilment? By
listening to this episode, youare going to discover how these
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perceived obstacles can serve asinternal guides towards clarity
and growth. You will also findout the three mistakes high
achievers make when they areunder pressure, and you will
learn a practical approach toidentifying the root causes of
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professional problems. If youare an entrepreneur seeking
deeper meaning in your work, ora leader navigating business
challenges, then this episode isfor you before we dive in. If
you have been resonating withthese conversations and feel
like you are at crossroads inyour life, I offer one to one
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coaching to help you gainclarity and step into your next
chapter with confidence. If thatsounds interesting, reach out to
me and let's have aconversation, and now let's get
started with the episode. Today.
It is my real pleasure to speakwith Carly peppin. Carly, you
are an international speakerconsultant and expert in human
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behaviour and strategic businessgrowth with over 15 years of
experience, you are passionateabout helping leaders align
their business growth withpersonal fulfilment by
transforming internal challengesinto catalysts for success.
Kelly, I'm delighted to have youwith me today. Welcome,
Carly Pepin (02:38):
yeah, thank you for having me. I'm looking forward
to it
Agi Keramidas (02:42):
me too, and let me straight away. Then say that
what I would like to exploretoday with you is, how can I
will say our listeners, and bythat, I will explain
intelligent, driven individuals.
So how can she or he use thechallenges that they face,
(03:04):
generally, but mainly inbusiness, the challenges they
face in business as a tool or amirror, if you want, for
personal growth and in simplewords, what I wanted to discuss
is, you know, understanding thefeedback we get from the
challenges that we face beforewe go there, I would like you to
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share some key defining moment,perhaps from your journey that
is relevant to this. So we canthen speak about that in
particular, yeah,
Carly Pepin (03:44):
yeah, yeah. This is a really inspiring topic, and
definitely important, I know,for business owners, because we
are not short of challenges, soit's helpful to understand them
to a greater degree. So yeah. Sofor myself, when I had first
started, before I'd started thisbusiness and kind of gone on
that journey. I was living inLos Angeles, and I actually love
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the city. Now. It's one of myfavourite places to live,
definitely on this planet, andI've gotten to travel a lot, and
I've lived a couple places, butthis is still my favourite place
to live. But before, I hated it,and I just assumed that my
challenges and my anxiety and mydepression were here because of
the city that I lived in and thepeople in it, and all this fun
(04:25):
stuff that I was blaming it for.
So I made a decision to move,and when I moved, I decided that
the best option was to,apparently, go as far away as
possible, which was Australia.
And once I got there, I'm all bymyself, by the way, now I'm all
by myself. All my problems aregone, which I realised were
distractions from everythingthat was actually happening
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inside me. And that's when Irealised it wasn't on the
outside that the issues were. Itwas on the inside. So all those
challenges I was having inbusiness and life, it was all
actually coming from the inside,not the outside. And having that
visceral experience of kind ofripping everything away was
really helpful for me. To startworking on it, and I had to take
a deep dive into how I wasliving my life, what I was doing
on a day to day basis. And whatI started to do is I started to
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get to know myself more,understand what my unique core
values were, what my uniquepurpose was, and even the even
just getting those small detailsand starting to restructure and
reframe my life and evenbusiness around those things on
a daily basis, started torapidly clear up my own anxiety,
and then the depression was goneas well. And it's pretty
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amazing, because, like, I mean,some sometimes people will say
they're like, oh, I want to getrid of my anxiety forever. And
I'm like, I don't I love myanxiety because it pops up every
time I get off track and Icertainly like, I'll literally,
like, be trying to do somethingthat I'm not meant to be doing,
and I get anxiety, and I stepback, and I'm like, I hear you.
I hear you. I got it. What am Idoing right now? And I'll pay
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attention, and I'm like, why areyou doing this? Because I
thought I should, I thought Ihad to. I thought I was supposed
to, right? And it's like, stayfocused on the core values of
the company, stay focused onyour own core values and quit
getting distracted. And that'sbeautiful. I get anxiety when I
get distracted and go the wrongdirection, so it's quite a gift
in my perception. Yeah, listento your body. We all have our
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own unique quirks that give usthat feedback. But that's when I
really started to understandthat, like even those personal
symptoms are also giving ussymptoms that can relate to
what's going on in our life, inour business,
Agi Keramidas (06:30):
it is indeed great that you have this kind of
guiding system or reminders yourefer to the anxiety if you Stay
off of track. And I justrealised now that you say that I
have something similar, also,which is small accidents. So
wherever I stay off track, Iwill hurt myself, not not a lot,
(06:54):
but enough for me to payattention. So it is I have a
different thing. So it's greatto for it, to understand what
what the body talks about. Andyou know you said, and I think
that's really the important thatyou had the realisation that the
issues were on the inside andnot on the outside. And that's
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always the case, and it's manypeople choose not to see the
truth of that, because in someways it is more difficult. It
certainly is more difficult toassume responsibility and
realise that it's inside. In anycase, this is a very interesting
(07:38):
topic, so thank you for bringingit up. I don't know if you want
to add anything to that beforewe before I change the sound
too, but it is very interesting.
So
Carly Pepin (07:49):
yeah, and I think as human beings, we're quite
fascinating. We kind of discounthow often the internal affects,
like the external right, like wecould even be building something
within a company, and ouremotions are also dictating the
direction it goes again. This iswhy we have the external
dynamics where it's like we workon the business strategy. We
make sure the strategy is clear,the core values are clear, and
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make sure it's aligned right.
And then it's kind of refinerepeat, refine repeat, refine
repeat, refine repeat. Butsometimes we get so off track.
And we're either getting offtrack because something very
challenging happened, and we'reresenting the situation, and
we're avoiding it because we'reemotional about it, in a sense,
right? We're emotional, we'reresentful, we're frustrated, so
now we're trying to avoid it,and that can change the
trajectory of potentially yourcompany and what you're doing,
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which still doesn't mean yourvisions off before, just means
you went through a challenge,and we don't even notice it
because we're so frustrated. Butthen there's also, like, shiny
object syndrome, right? Andthat's an infatuation where you
might go and see someone doingsomething else, and you're like,
well, now I want to do that. Andthen all of a sudden you're
going completely off thetrajectory again of your core
values, your vision, yourmission and your purpose,
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because all of a sudden you havean infatuation with something
which is another emotion, andit's it's funny, because we want
to be positive, that this wouldbe an overly positive you have
so many staffed associations oftoo many positives, you're not
actually seeing the truth of thesituation. Because, in reality,
every challenge has supports,and every support has challenge.
That's why we say every failurethere's success in it, and
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that's easy for us to see. Wewant to see it because we don't
like pain. But as humans, we'readdicted to pleasure. However,
every support, every success,has some failure in it, because
you can't build somethingwithout destroying something
else simultaneously. You know,it's quite interesting. I got to
go through that with one of myclients during COVID. He during
COVID, he just decided to jamwhile other sectors in his
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industry, other businesses andstuff in his industry, were
shutting down and taking abreak. He jammed, and he jammed
hard. And he was really getting,like, over excited about the
pleasure of success, and we kindof got to go through and I said,
well, as you're starting to getthe success, I was like, where
are all these extra cost.
Consumers coming from you know,I was like, who was servicing
them before? And he started tosee businesses close. And I was
(10:05):
like, Can you see what is alsohappening? I was like, you're
building your company likecrazy. I was like, but it's also
taking business away from otherpeople as well. And it's a
really humbling thing to realisethat you can't have one without
the other, but not having thatillusion helps us to move
forward with more objectivity,so that we're not run by our
emotions and we can actuallymake like, more objective
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decisions. You know?
Agi Keramidas (10:30):
Thank you, Carl.
Let's talk about, you know, whatwe really started talking about,
and that was the actualfeedback, or understanding the
feedback that we get from thechallenges. I think, in a way,
the reason why we should lookfor them as the feedback should
(10:52):
be obvious, but please mentionthe the importance of it in the
beginning, and then give me anoverview of how one would look
at the challenges, particularlyprofessional or business
challenges, as a catalyst forgrowth.
Carly Pepin (11:18):
Yeah, so whenever we're having business
challenges. Again, our businessis also a feedback. You know, I
kind of got to give you exampleof how my body is a feedback.
You gave one about how your bodygives us feedback. But remember,
your business is also a feedbackmechanism as well. It also has
symptoms within it that's tryingto show you that something's
awry, right? So, whenever we'rehaving these challenges in our
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business, it's like, it's, whatdo we do? What questions are we
asking? And instead of justlooking at the surface of it,
it's like, just keep going withthose questions. You know,
sometimes I'm in a call for anhour, and we ask question after
question after question afterquestion after question after
question until you can find theroute, right? Because it was
interesting. I was talking to acolleague of mine, and there was
one company that it was like,all this problem was happening
(12:02):
with, like shipping, and peoplewere getting all the wrong
items. And it was crazy, becauseit was really impacting, like,
their returns, and they werelosing money, and then all of a
sudden, when you get back to thevery core of it, like, instead
of going back and being, like,shipping, fix the problem,
right? Like, why are you sendingout the wrong stuff? What they
found out is they just keptdigging and digging and digging
and digging, and it took them alittle while to find that one
(12:24):
printer that they had wasprinting incorrectly. And it was
like printing like the barcodesand the things wrong. So
everyone was getting everythingelse wrong, and all of a sudden,
it's just, all they had to dowas replace, like one of the, I
forget what it's called, but oneof the parts in the machine
right. And then all of a sudden,their whole problem is fixed. So
it's like, that's what I say.
You don't just want to go inthere and say, Hey, we have a
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problem. You just need to makesure that you're shipping it to
the right place, because wecan't do this anymore. You
diagnose the crap out of it,until you get to the root cause.
You know, yeah, diagnose thecrap out of it. Get to the root
cause, because it might besomething, in this case, it was
something tiny that was causinghuge, huge, huge ripples, right?
And so that's why we really wantto pay attention to that. And
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that's part of moving beyond ouremotions, where, as business
owners, sometimes we can getemotional about those dynamics.
And I've seen this too, youknow, I've worked in
environments where it's thisway, where when something's
going wrong, they get emotionalbecause their company is
impacted, and that's you notworking on the internal side.
And so all of a sudden you'reemotional on the outside. But
then in that case, people areusually trying to run around and
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correct the problem on thesurface because they're so
scared, and everyone's trying tomake it not their fault because
they don't want to get introuble, right? And so when we
have those emotions, we can'treally lead people to find the
root cause of the problem. Theydon't want to look for it.
They're too scared to get introuble. And so that's part of
us balancing our own internaldynamic as well. You know,
because as leaders, it's like,how do we guide people and
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inspire them to search for theroot to search for the actual
problem, which is interestingand another really fun one,
which is kind of just feedbacklike that we get from
individuals and people. So, youknow, I talked a little bit
about how we as humans are alittle bit addicted to pleasure,
right? We want to avoid pain.
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Yeah, for sure, we also are
Agi Keramidas (14:12):
smiling, because you say
Carly Pepin (14:15):
a lot, it's a pretty good habit of ours. It's
a solid habit. So we all haveit, by the way, just varying
degrees at different times. Butwhat you'll notice as well is
that pleasure comes in the formof being proud and being puffed
up about ourselves, like we wantto be great. That's also the
addiction that we have, andthat's the pleasure we want to
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be better. We want to beamazing, and we often want to be
better than other people, right?
The truth is, we're all equal.
That's actually the genuinetruth. So we don't want to be
worse than someone else, or lessadvanced or less knowledgeable,
or less this or less that. Wewant to be better. We want to be
the smartest in the room. That'sthat pleasure addiction. Here's
the cool part, right? We'regetting feedback on this on a
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regular basis, and so let's sayyou're at work and you had a
great. Day, right? You had agreat day, an amazing day. All
day long, you accomplishedsomething awesome. Your clients
are telling you, you're just thebest ever, and then all of a
sudden you come home and yourromantic partner just slams you,
you know? And you're like, Whatis going on? Like, you're such a
Debbie Downer, I had such agreat day. That is actually a
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structure in place for us whenwe get too proud for something
to come in, to humble us, tobring us back down to size.
Because guess what? You got asuper ego. You got so puffed up
about yourself. You got soaddicted to that dopamine rush,
that pleasure of being puffed upby others, that someone had to
come in and be like, Hey, you'restill human. Get off that high
(15:40):
horse, get off that pedestal.
Let me remind you of all thestuff that you're mucking up
right now, right? And so it'sfunny, because we forget that,
and we get upset with criticism,and you'll see the reverse as
well. If you had an awful day atthe office, if things were a
nightmare, if just so manyfailures and it was exhausting,
you'll come home and those arethe days that somehow your
partner is, like, reallysupportive, and like, connects
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with you, and you're like, Thisis what I wanted the other day,
you know? But you can't have itthe other day right now, you put
yourself in the pit. You putyourself below homeostasis,
right? So before you were abovehomeostasis, now you're below
homeostasis, and you havesomeone coming in to bring you
back where just to centre,that's all, that's all we're
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doing. We're just getting tocentre. So if you work on
balancing those internal pridesthat you get addicted to, but
also those eternal shamesimultaneously, you have less of
the volatility in other areas.
Sometimes it'll happen at home,but it also happens at the
office, and you'll see it oncertain days where you get
puffed up by maybe a superior ormaybe get puffed up by clients
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or something else, or maybe eventhe outside world, and then
you're getting slammed, likeover here. And it's fun, because
you can see this in politics isso obvious, where you see people
putting Elon Musk on a pedestal,right now, Donald Trump on a
pedestal, but you also seesimultaneously, people putting
them in a pit, right so you'rewatching this balance of like,
don't get too high on yourself.
Don't forget this also exists.
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And we're going to remind youyou're just human, you know. And
both are necessary, both thecriticism and the support. And
if they get too low onthemselves, and they're judging
themselves, which everyone does,by the way, like they'll attract
all those praisers to like,bring them back up. And you're
watching The dichotomy like livein politics right now, which is
really fun, but you can alsowatch it in your life, which is
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really important.
Agi Keramidas (17:28):
It certainly happens. Thank you for this. It
certainly happens in life thatthe bad things and good things
seem to happen in pairs, somehowand once, once someone starts to
reflect back in the life, it isquite, you know, obvious, and
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when you were describing aboutthe the prides and the same sort
of the pleasure and the pain, orthose to the the image that
comes to my mind in these casesis, you know, the pendulum that
will inevitably swing from sideto side. And the more we are,
the more we look at the actualfinal movement. And not that the
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whole thing that the higher upyou go, the less movement there
is. So the lower down you are,the more you see these extremes,
or they can feel like extremesanyway, so it's a great, you
know, reminder that both arepart of life. Yes, of course, we
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all are wired to seek pleasureand avoid pain. But on the other
hand, we have to realise that itis inevitable to have pain in
life and it is also impossibleto have only pleasure. So it's,
you know, it's, it's some thingsthat life is like that, and as
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an extension, of course, abusiness or elements of our life
or our relationship will matchthat or mirror that to some
extent.
Carly Pepin (19:10):
And this is the really cool part too, because
what like, you don't have to getrid of feeling good. I just
like, I'd like to change how weview that, right? So instead of
trying to, like, feel good, getthose dopamine hits and get all
the pleasure and get those manicstates of, like, elation, right,
which you can crash after it'slike, going up on a roller
(19:30):
coaster, eventually hit the peakand you go down, down, down,
down, down, down. That's whypeople will say, after they go
to those events where theyreally hype you up, they'll be
like, I have a hangover the nextcouple days. That's because you
puffed yourself up so high, andyou got yourself so elated that
your body crashed and burned tobalance you out, to get back to
equilibrium. But fulfilment andinspiration is very different,
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because that you feel energised,you feel alive, you love your
life. And the funny thing is,is. There's you already see the
pleasure and the pain and thepain and the pleasure. Like, in
that state, there's something ineach individual that's so
inspiring to them, right? Whichis often what we bring into our
companies. By the way, I lovedoing this with with owners,
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where we can connect that thingto why they built the company.
And they're like, oh my gosh, itmakes sense. This is my life,
and I'm like, it is your life.
You don't just build a business.
And it's not random. Sometimespeople think it's random because
they haven't made the linkbefore. It's not random for
anyone. It's not and the coolthing about that is that's where
inspiration lies, and thenyou're energised in the reality
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that you're gonna go seek a goalthat you know is painful.
There's pleasure in seeking thatgoal and getting that
achievement in your business,but you're very aware of the
challenges that come along theway. There's no illusions there,
and you're going to do itanyways. You're looking forward
to going through that pain,because the pleasure and the
fulfilment that you get alongthe way is so inspiring to you
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that it's worth going throughthat pain. And you don't get
burned out there, you don't getexhausted, you don't give up
there. And that's why it's soimportant to understand like
yourself and your companysimultaneously. Because, yeah,
you're part of the living,breathing entity of your
company. Let's make sure you'realive and inspired, and let's
get you all linked up withwhatever you built, and make
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sure you know it's there, andhave that flow down into your
employees. Because, I mean, yousee it worldwide, like the more
people are inspired, the morethey sign up for your vision,
you know, and the more they wantto help you with your vision.
So, yeah, there's reallyinspiring things that you
Agi Keramidas (21:35):
can do. Carly, what I would like to move back
to you said you were sayingearlier about being able to move
beyond our emotions when thecrisis or a challenge happens or
things go wrong, like thatprinters printing the wrong
barcodes, I would like to askyou to give us something
(22:02):
actionable, or perhaps atechnique or a tool. Because,
you know, it's saying aboutmoving beyond our emotions is
one thing, but we all know verywell that sometimes even the
thought of moving beyond theiremotions at that time seems like
there is not such thing. We kindof get sucked into the emotion.
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And so I would like to hearsome, something practical, if
possible, something that one cando to, you know, regain
composure
Carly Pepin (22:38):
Absolutely, first things, first time, to learn how
to catch it. So just know thatthat may take you a little bit
of time to learn how to catchwhen your emotions are kind of
going awry, especially whenwe're starting to get into the
proud states or the elatedstates, because we've been also
trained that those are good notrealising, like you said, the
good's been going with the badand the Bad's been going with
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the good all exist simultaneouson time. So when we see it, we
don't have to be on theemotional roller coaster. And
that's the important part.
That's where we can actually,like, just get more
accomplished, achieved. And Idon't know about you, but I feel
better when I'm not on anemotional roller coaster. So
when we have challenges, right,things that frustrate us, things
that we're struggling with, wewant to sit there and ask how
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it's serving us, and how it'sserving what's important to us.
I was just working with this,with a CEO who's going through,
like, a really challenginglawsuit, right? And part of it,
it's like, well, how is thisfinancially empowering you,
right? How is this financiallyempowering you? How is this
empowering you in business? Howis this empowering you as a
leader, and as we're goingthrough it. It's like, okay,
then what's missing? And we hada good laugh, because I was
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like, man, like, they're givingyou some great personal
development, right? I was like,we actually went through how
much he's invested in it. And Iwas like, was that a worthwhile
investment for what you got outof it? And he's like, yeah,
yeah, for sure. And I was like,and can you keep going through
it, and will you still get moreout of it? And he's like, I got
this, I got this. And so atfirst, it's the emotion behind
it, and the frustration and theanger, because you're not seeing
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the gift that these challengesare bringing when you go in and
see the gift. Guess what? Now,when they're in the courtroom,
do you think they're going to beangry, frustrated, yelling and
annoyed, or do you think they'rejust going to sit back and be
like, I'm grateful, like, kindof crazy, but I'm actually
grateful that I'm going throughthis and I don't have to be the
emotional volatile one, and thenthe other person's emotionally
(24:25):
volatile. It's really afascinating experience to
actually see and witness. And Ihad someone else who went
through this as well, where theywere stuck in a court case, and
we did some work on this aswell, and they cleared it, and
they said, I was like, How'd itgo? They were in a custody
battle with their kids, and thiswas pretty wild, but they I was
like, how did it go? And she'slike, it went great. She's like,
(24:47):
it didn't matter what he said. Ididn't cry, I wasn't frustrated.
She just, I said, sat there. Ididn't have any emotion. He
couldn't impact me at all. Andit was like, and he was just off
his rocker. He was. Going crazy.
The judge looked at him like hewas the nut job. He's like, it
really helped my my case, and Iwas, like, awesome, awesome. And
so that's what I say. It's like,we want to clear that
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resentment, because, you know,I'm giving you examples of,
like, court cases and stuff, butthat also flows into our
business as well. And so findout how it's serving you. Find
out what gifts it's giving you.
And if you say, Carly, I don'tknow, I can't then you're not
looking hard enough keeplooking. Look, look, look, look,
look, look, look, I will sitthere for if I have to do an
hour on someone on just oneparticular thing, just to make
sure that they get it and nailit like you're gonna get it and
(25:31):
nail it. It's very important foryou to actually see how these
specific circumstances areserving you, because then you're
very objective and they don'timpact you emotionally. The
other dynamic when we look atthat other side, right? Because
we have the dichotomy within usthat's also wanting to get only
the pleasureful situationsyou'll have, situations that you
encounter, and this is whereit's a little trickier to catch.
(25:52):
But if you're looking atsomething and you're so elated
about it, and it's all good andit's all amazing, you're not
asking quality questions on whatare some of the challenges that
actually come with it, right?
And so I was working with anindividual, and we were going
through the expansion of thebusiness in this very specific
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way, right? And they're all laidabout, and I can tell I was
like, Man, this person has notlooked at this objectively Yeah,
like, they have not, like, noteven slightly, and so they're
really proud and they're reallypuffed up, which simultaneously
the wife at home is beating themup like crazy because they're
all high on I laugh because Isay it's like, we get high on
our own supply, of, like, ourpride, like, getting high on
(26:36):
your own supply, my friend. Sobasically, we go through and you
start to ask, what are some ofthe drawbacks of that? Like,
what are some of the drawbacksof what you're doing? Let's look
at the other side until you cansee there's the equal drawbacks
to benefit. And then all of asudden you get objective. And as
we're going through it, like, atthe end of it, I was like, how
you feel? And they're like,good. And they're, I'm they
(26:58):
said, I've realised that the waythat I was putting this together
like it would have crashed andburned, like it wouldn't have
even happened, because I wasn'teven looking at the other side,
and so I wasn't even planningfor these obvious pitfalls that
were in the way. And that's whathaving too much elation can do.
It can make you ignore the otherside, and that makes you ignore
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the pitfalls that you canprepare for. So this is like a
leadership tool, right? Ifyou're not facing and looking at
both sides of things, thenyou're either ignoring the
pitfalls or you're ignoring thestrengths. And when you can see
both of that, what are you yourobjective, right? We're just
subjective. So those are qualityquestions that you can ask. And
the real trick is starting to beable to catch when you get,
(27:41):
like, too high, too low, toohigh, too low, and that's that's
tricky. That's definitelysomething we're not taught.
Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (27:50):
this is indeed, thank you for this tool. It is a
tool, and seeing the askingquality questions and seeing the
equal benefit of the gift. Yourefer to it as a gift, and being
objective, these are very usefulCarly as I will start wrapping
(28:15):
things up for today. The firstthing I wanted to ask you was,
where do you want to direct ourlistener who wants to find out
more?
Carly Pepin (28:26):
Yeah, I'd love them to go to my website, which is
West Coast growth advisors.comand they can contact me directly
there. They can hop over toLinkedIn, whatever they prefer.
Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (28:37):
that's great. And I have also two quick questions,
and the first one is, what doespersonal development mean to
you?
Carly Pepin (28:48):
Yes, so personal development, to me, means that
we're actually developing arelationship with ourselves.
There's nothing missing insideof us, but it's really getting
to know who you are, what you'rehere for the strengths you have
like and everything like,everything that's important
about you, and kind of reallybeing able to cultivate and
craft that in a way that you cancreate a life that every day you
(29:11):
wake up and you say, I get to dothis. You know, no matter
whether or not it's challengingor not, like it will be
challenging. I want you to, Iwant you to face so many
challenges and do so manyamazing things in your life and
be like I didn't think I couldachieve this, but I had more
energy doing it because I didwhat I loved. That's personal
development.
Agi Keramidas (29:30):
Indeed. You remind me of what Jim Rohn used
to say, it was easier. You wishyou were better. Yeah. And
Carly, hypothetically, if youcould go back in time and meet
your 18 year old self, what'sone piece of advice? You would
tell her, yes,
Carly Pepin (29:47):
it doesn't look like it now, but you got this
and everything is is reallyperfect the way it is. You'll
see it later, but don't worry,you're right on track. Yeah. Do.
Agi Keramidas (30:00):
Very nice. I want to thank you so much Carly for
this conversation. It was, Ibelieve, enlightening and
useful. I'm wishing you all thevery best with carry on with
your mission and your purpose. Iwill leave it to you for your
part in wisdom to the to thelisteners,
Carly Pepin (30:23):
yeah, definitely, really dedicate your life not
just to focusing on things onthe outside, but also the
inside. It's finding thatbalance of focusing on what's
important to you and creatingthat in the world where you
actually realise like how muchyou can do and what you're
capable of. And no purpose. No.
Excuse me. No person on thisplanet is more able to achieve
that than someone else. So,yeah, if you don't believe in
(30:47):
yourself yet, just go toCourses, go to workshops,
teachers, anything possible tomake sure that you start to to
let that seed plant inside youand and keep it growing. Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (31:03):
I hope you found this episode enlightening. If
you have been resonating withthese conversations and feel
like you are at the crossroadsin your life, I offer one to one
coaching to help you gainclarity and step into your next
chapter with confidence. If thatsounds interesting, reach out to
(31:28):
me and let's have aconversation. And until next
time, Stand out. Don't fit in
What if your biggest professional challenge
is actually your greatestopportunity for personal growth,
revealing deeper truths aboutwho you are and guiding you to
align with fulfilment? Welcometo personal development mastery,
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the podcast that helpsintelligent, busy professionals
develop self mastery anddiscover their calling so you
can thrive in a fulfilling,purposeful life. I'm your host,
Agi Keramidas, and this isepisode 502 in today's fast
paced world, we often findourselves overwhelmed by
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challenges, both external andinternal. But what if those
obstacles aren't setbacks atall? What if they are feedback
mechanisms pointing towardalignment and fulfilment? By
listening to this episode, youare going to discover how these
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perceived obstacles can serve asinternal guides towards clarity
and growth. You will also findout the three mistakes high
achievers make when they areunder pressure, and you will
learn a practical approach toidentifying the root causes of
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professional problems. If youare an entrepreneur seeking
deeper meaning in your work, ora leader navigating business
challenges, then this episode isfor you before we dive in. If
you have been resonating withthese conversations and feel
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chapter with confidence. If thatsounds interesting, reach out to
me and let's have aconversation, and now let's get
started with the episode. Today.
It is my real pleasure to speakwith Carly peppin. Carly, you
are an international speakerconsultant and expert in human
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behaviour and strategic businessgrowth with over 15 years of
experience, you are passionateabout helping leaders align
their business growth withpersonal fulfilment by
transforming internal challengesinto catalysts for success.
Kelly, I'm delighted to have youwith me today. Welcome,
Carly Pepin (02:38):
yeah, thank you for having me. I'm looking forward
to it
Agi Keramidas (02:42):
me too, and let me straight away. Then say that
what I would like to exploretoday with you is, how can I
will say our listeners, and bythat, I will explain
intelligent, driven individuals.
So how can she or he use thechallenges that they face,
(03:04):
generally, but mainly inbusiness, the challenges they
face in business as a tool or amirror, if you want, for
personal growth and in simplewords, what I wanted to discuss
is, you know, understanding thefeedback we get from the
challenges that we face beforewe go there, I would like you to
(03:27):
share some key defining moment,perhaps from your journey that
is relevant to this. So we canthen speak about that in
particular, yeah,
Carly Pepin (03:44):
yeah, yeah. This is a really inspiring topic, and
definitely important, I know,for business owners, because we
are not short of challenges, soit's helpful to understand them
to a greater degree. So yeah. Sofor myself, when I had first
started, before I'd started thisbusiness and kind of gone on
that journey. I was living inLos Angeles, and I actually love
(04:04):
the city. Now. It's one of myfavourite places to live,
definitely on this planet, andI've gotten to travel a lot, and
I've lived a couple places, butthis is still my favourite place
to live. But before, I hated it,and I just assumed that my
challenges and my anxiety and mydepression were here because of
the city that I lived in and thepeople in it, and all this fun
(04:25):
stuff that I was blaming it for.
So I made a decision to move,and when I moved, I decided that
the best option was to,apparently, go as far away as
possible, which was Australia.
And once I got there, I'm all bymyself, by the way, now I'm all
by myself. All my problems aregone, which I realised were
distractions from everythingthat was actually happening
(04:45):
inside me. And that's when Irealised it wasn't on the
outside that the issues were. Itwas on the inside. So all those
challenges I was having inbusiness and life, it was all
actually coming from the inside,not the outside. And having that
visceral experience of kind ofripping everything away was
really helpful for me. To startworking on it, and I had to take
a deep dive into how I wasliving my life, what I was doing
on a day to day basis. And whatI started to do is I started to
(05:09):
get to know myself more,understand what my unique core
values were, what my uniquepurpose was, and even the even
just getting those small detailsand starting to restructure and
reframe my life and evenbusiness around those things on
a daily basis, started torapidly clear up my own anxiety,
and then the depression was goneas well. And it's pretty
(05:29):
amazing, because, like, I mean,some sometimes people will say
they're like, oh, I want to getrid of my anxiety forever. And
I'm like, I don't I love myanxiety because it pops up every
time I get off track and Icertainly like, I'll literally,
like, be trying to do somethingthat I'm not meant to be doing,
and I get anxiety, and I stepback, and I'm like, I hear you.
I hear you. I got it. What am Idoing right now? And I'll pay
(05:52):
attention, and I'm like, why areyou doing this? Because I
thought I should, I thought Ihad to. I thought I was supposed
to, right? And it's like, stayfocused on the core values of
the company, stay focused onyour own core values and quit
getting distracted. And that'sbeautiful. I get anxiety when I
get distracted and go the wrongdirection, so it's quite a gift
in my perception. Yeah, listento your body. We all have our
(06:14):
own unique quirks that give usthat feedback. But that's when I
really started to understandthat, like even those personal
symptoms are also giving ussymptoms that can relate to
what's going on in our life, inour business,
Agi Keramidas (06:30):
it is indeed great that you have this kind of
guiding system or reminders yourefer to the anxiety if you Stay
off of track. And I justrealised now that you say that I
have something similar, also,which is small accidents. So
wherever I stay off track, Iwill hurt myself, not not a lot,
(06:54):
but enough for me to payattention. So it is I have a
different thing. So it's greatto for it, to understand what
what the body talks about. Andyou know you said, and I think
that's really the important thatyou had the realisation that the
issues were on the inside andnot on the outside. And that's
(07:15):
always the case, and it's manypeople choose not to see the
truth of that, because in someways it is more difficult. It
certainly is more difficult toassume responsibility and
realise that it's inside. In anycase, this is a very interesting
(07:38):
topic, so thank you for bringingit up. I don't know if you want
to add anything to that beforewe before I change the sound
too, but it is very interesting.
So
Carly Pepin (07:49):
yeah, and I think as human beings, we're quite
fascinating. We kind of discounthow often the internal affects,
like the external right, like wecould even be building something
within a company, and ouremotions are also dictating the
direction it goes again. This iswhy we have the external
dynamics where it's like we workon the business strategy. We
make sure the strategy is clear,the core values are clear, and
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make sure it's aligned right.
And then it's kind of refinerepeat, refine repeat, refine
repeat, refine repeat. Butsometimes we get so off track.
And we're either getting offtrack because something very
challenging happened, and we'reresenting the situation, and
we're avoiding it because we'reemotional about it, in a sense,
right? We're emotional, we'reresentful, we're frustrated, so
now we're trying to avoid it,and that can change the
trajectory of potentially yourcompany and what you're doing,
(08:34):
which still doesn't mean yourvisions off before, just means
you went through a challenge,and we don't even notice it
because we're so frustrated. Butthen there's also, like, shiny
object syndrome, right? Andthat's an infatuation where you
might go and see someone doingsomething else, and you're like,
well, now I want to do that. Andthen all of a sudden you're
going completely off thetrajectory again of your core
values, your vision, yourmission and your purpose,
(08:56):
because all of a sudden you havean infatuation with something
which is another emotion, andit's it's funny, because we want
to be positive, that this wouldbe an overly positive you have
so many staffed associations oftoo many positives, you're not
actually seeing the truth of thesituation. Because, in reality,
every challenge has supports,and every support has challenge.
That's why we say every failurethere's success in it, and
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that's easy for us to see. Wewant to see it because we don't
like pain. But as humans, we'readdicted to pleasure. However,
every support, every success,has some failure in it, because
you can't build somethingwithout destroying something
else simultaneously. You know,it's quite interesting. I got to
go through that with one of myclients during COVID. He during
COVID, he just decided to jamwhile other sectors in his
(09:43):
industry, other businesses andstuff in his industry, were
shutting down and taking abreak. He jammed, and he jammed
hard. And he was really getting,like, over excited about the
pleasure of success, and we kindof got to go through and I said,
well, as you're starting to getthe success, I was like, where
are all these extra cost.
Consumers coming from you know,I was like, who was servicing
them before? And he started tosee businesses close. And I was
(10:05):
like, Can you see what is alsohappening? I was like, you're
building your company likecrazy. I was like, but it's also
taking business away from otherpeople as well. And it's a
really humbling thing to realisethat you can't have one without
the other, but not having thatillusion helps us to move
forward with more objectivity,so that we're not run by our
emotions and we can actuallymake like, more objective
(10:26):
decisions. You know?
Agi Keramidas (10:30):
Thank you, Carl.
Let's talk about, you know, whatwe really started talking about,
and that was the actualfeedback, or understanding the
feedback that we get from thechallenges. I think, in a way,
the reason why we should lookfor them as the feedback should
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be obvious, but please mentionthe the importance of it in the
beginning, and then give me anoverview of how one would look
at the challenges, particularlyprofessional or business
challenges, as a catalyst forgrowth.
Carly Pepin (11:18):
Yeah, so whenever we're having business
challenges. Again, our businessis also a feedback. You know, I
kind of got to give you exampleof how my body is a feedback.
You gave one about how your bodygives us feedback. But remember,
your business is also a feedbackmechanism as well. It also has
symptoms within it that's tryingto show you that something's
awry, right? So, whenever we'rehaving these challenges in our
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business, it's like, it's, whatdo we do? What questions are we
asking? And instead of justlooking at the surface of it,
it's like, just keep going withthose questions. You know,
sometimes I'm in a call for anhour, and we ask question after
question after question afterquestion after question after
question until you can find theroute, right? Because it was
interesting. I was talking to acolleague of mine, and there was
one company that it was like,all this problem was happening
(12:02):
with, like shipping, and peoplewere getting all the wrong
items. And it was crazy, becauseit was really impacting, like,
their returns, and they werelosing money, and then all of a
sudden, when you get back to thevery core of it, like, instead
of going back and being, like,shipping, fix the problem,
right? Like, why are you sendingout the wrong stuff? What they
found out is they just keptdigging and digging and digging
and digging, and it took them alittle while to find that one
(12:24):
printer that they had wasprinting incorrectly. And it was
like printing like the barcodesand the things wrong. So
everyone was getting everythingelse wrong, and all of a sudden,
it's just, all they had to dowas replace, like one of the, I
forget what it's called, but oneof the parts in the machine
right. And then all of a sudden,their whole problem is fixed. So
it's like, that's what I say.
You don't just want to go inthere and say, Hey, we have a
(12:45):
problem. You just need to makesure that you're shipping it to
the right place, because wecan't do this anymore. You
diagnose the crap out of it,until you get to the root cause.
You know, yeah, diagnose thecrap out of it. Get to the root
cause, because it might besomething, in this case, it was
something tiny that was causinghuge, huge, huge ripples, right?
And so that's why we really wantto pay attention to that. And
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that's part of moving beyond ouremotions, where, as business
owners, sometimes we can getemotional about those dynamics.
And I've seen this too, youknow, I've worked in
environments where it's thisway, where when something's
going wrong, they get emotionalbecause their company is
impacted, and that's you notworking on the internal side.
And so all of a sudden you'reemotional on the outside. But
then in that case, people areusually trying to run around and
(13:27):
correct the problem on thesurface because they're so
scared, and everyone's trying tomake it not their fault because
they don't want to get introuble, right? And so when we
have those emotions, we can'treally lead people to find the
root cause of the problem. Theydon't want to look for it.
They're too scared to get introuble. And so that's part of
us balancing our own internaldynamic as well. You know,
because as leaders, it's like,how do we guide people and
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inspire them to search for theroot to search for the actual
problem, which is interestingand another really fun one,
which is kind of just feedbacklike that we get from
individuals and people. So, youknow, I talked a little bit
about how we as humans are alittle bit addicted to pleasure,
right? We want to avoid pain.
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Yeah, for sure, we also are
Agi Keramidas (14:12):
smiling, because you say
Carly Pepin (14:15):
a lot, it's a pretty good habit of ours. It's
a solid habit. So we all haveit, by the way, just varying
degrees at different times. Butwhat you'll notice as well is
that pleasure comes in the formof being proud and being puffed
up about ourselves, like we wantto be great. That's also the
addiction that we have, andthat's the pleasure we want to
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be better. We want to beamazing, and we often want to be
better than other people, right?
The truth is, we're all equal.
That's actually the genuinetruth. So we don't want to be
worse than someone else, or lessadvanced or less knowledgeable,
or less this or less that. Wewant to be better. We want to be
the smartest in the room. That'sthat pleasure addiction. Here's
the cool part, right? We'regetting feedback on this on a
(14:56):
regular basis, and so let's sayyou're at work and you had a
great. Day, right? You had agreat day, an amazing day. All
day long, you accomplishedsomething awesome. Your clients
are telling you, you're just thebest ever, and then all of a
sudden you come home and yourromantic partner just slams you,
you know? And you're like, Whatis going on? Like, you're such a
Debbie Downer, I had such agreat day. That is actually a
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structure in place for us whenwe get too proud for something
to come in, to humble us, tobring us back down to size.
Because guess what? You got asuper ego. You got so puffed up
about yourself. You got soaddicted to that dopamine rush,
that pleasure of being puffed upby others, that someone had to
come in and be like, Hey, you'restill human. Get off that high
(15:40):
horse, get off that pedestal.
Let me remind you of all thestuff that you're mucking up
right now, right? And so it'sfunny, because we forget that,
and we get upset with criticism,and you'll see the reverse as
well. If you had an awful day atthe office, if things were a
nightmare, if just so manyfailures and it was exhausting,
you'll come home and those arethe days that somehow your
partner is, like, reallysupportive, and like, connects
(16:01):
with you, and you're like, Thisis what I wanted the other day,
you know? But you can't have itthe other day right now, you put
yourself in the pit. You putyourself below homeostasis,
right? So before you were abovehomeostasis, now you're below
homeostasis, and you havesomeone coming in to bring you
back where just to centre,that's all, that's all we're
(16:22):
doing. We're just getting tocentre. So if you work on
balancing those internal pridesthat you get addicted to, but
also those eternal shamesimultaneously, you have less of
the volatility in other areas.
Sometimes it'll happen at home,but it also happens at the
office, and you'll see it oncertain days where you get
puffed up by maybe a superior ormaybe get puffed up by clients
(16:43):
or something else, or maybe eventhe outside world, and then
you're getting slammed, likeover here. And it's fun, because
you can see this in politics isso obvious, where you see people
putting Elon Musk on a pedestal,right now, Donald Trump on a
pedestal, but you also seesimultaneously, people putting
them in a pit, right so you'rewatching this balance of like,
don't get too high on yourself.
Don't forget this also exists.
(17:05):
And we're going to remind youyou're just human, you know. And
both are necessary, both thecriticism and the support. And
if they get too low onthemselves, and they're judging
themselves, which everyone does,by the way, like they'll attract
all those praisers to like,bring them back up. And you're
watching The dichotomy like livein politics right now, which is
really fun, but you can alsowatch it in your life, which is
(17:25):
really important.
Agi Keramidas (17:28):
It certainly happens. Thank you for this. It
certainly happens in life thatthe bad things and good things
seem to happen in pairs, somehowand once, once someone starts to
reflect back in the life, it isquite, you know, obvious, and
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when you were describing aboutthe the prides and the same sort
of the pleasure and the pain, orthose to the the image that
comes to my mind in these casesis, you know, the pendulum that
will inevitably swing from sideto side. And the more we are,
the more we look at the actualfinal movement. And not that the
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whole thing that the higher upyou go, the less movement there
is. So the lower down you are,the more you see these extremes,
or they can feel like extremesanyway, so it's a great, you
know, reminder that both arepart of life. Yes, of course, we
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all are wired to seek pleasureand avoid pain. But on the other
hand, we have to realise that itis inevitable to have pain in
life and it is also impossibleto have only pleasure. So it's,
you know, it's, it's some thingsthat life is like that, and as
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an extension, of course, abusiness or elements of our life
or our relationship will matchthat or mirror that to some
extent.
Carly Pepin (19:10):
And this is the really cool part too, because
what like, you don't have to getrid of feeling good. I just
like, I'd like to change how weview that, right? So instead of
trying to, like, feel good, getthose dopamine hits and get all
the pleasure and get those manicstates of, like, elation, right,
which you can crash after it'slike, going up on a roller
(19:30):
coaster, eventually hit the peakand you go down, down, down,
down, down, down. That's whypeople will say, after they go
to those events where theyreally hype you up, they'll be
like, I have a hangover the nextcouple days. That's because you
puffed yourself up so high, andyou got yourself so elated that
your body crashed and burned tobalance you out, to get back to
equilibrium. But fulfilment andinspiration is very different,
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because that you feel energised,you feel alive, you love your
life. And the funny thing is,is. There's you already see the
pleasure and the pain and thepain and the pleasure. Like, in
that state, there's something ineach individual that's so
inspiring to them, right? Whichis often what we bring into our
companies. By the way, I lovedoing this with with owners,
(20:15):
where we can connect that thingto why they built the company.
And they're like, oh my gosh, itmakes sense. This is my life,
and I'm like, it is your life.
You don't just build a business.
And it's not random. Sometimespeople think it's random because
they haven't made the linkbefore. It's not random for
anyone. It's not and the coolthing about that is that's where
inspiration lies, and thenyou're energised in the reality
(20:38):
that you're gonna go seek a goalthat you know is painful.
There's pleasure in seeking thatgoal and getting that
achievement in your business,but you're very aware of the
challenges that come along theway. There's no illusions there,
and you're going to do itanyways. You're looking forward
to going through that pain,because the pleasure and the
fulfilment that you get alongthe way is so inspiring to you
(20:58):
that it's worth going throughthat pain. And you don't get
burned out there, you don't getexhausted, you don't give up
there. And that's why it's soimportant to understand like
yourself and your companysimultaneously. Because, yeah,
you're part of the living,breathing entity of your
company. Let's make sure you'realive and inspired, and let's
get you all linked up withwhatever you built, and make
(21:18):
sure you know it's there, andhave that flow down into your
employees. Because, I mean, yousee it worldwide, like the more
people are inspired, the morethey sign up for your vision,
you know, and the more they wantto help you with your vision.
So, yeah, there's reallyinspiring things that you
Agi Keramidas (21:35):
can do. Carly, what I would like to move back
to you said you were sayingearlier about being able to move
beyond our emotions when thecrisis or a challenge happens or
things go wrong, like thatprinters printing the wrong
barcodes, I would like to askyou to give us something
(22:02):
actionable, or perhaps atechnique or a tool. Because,
you know, it's saying aboutmoving beyond our emotions is
one thing, but we all know verywell that sometimes even the
thought of moving beyond theiremotions at that time seems like
there is not such thing. We kindof get sucked into the emotion.
(22:25):
And so I would like to hearsome, something practical, if
possible, something that one cando to, you know, regain
composure
Carly Pepin (22:38):
Absolutely, first things, first time, to learn how
to catch it. So just know thatthat may take you a little bit
of time to learn how to catchwhen your emotions are kind of
going awry, especially whenwe're starting to get into the
proud states or the elatedstates, because we've been also
trained that those are good notrealising, like you said, the
good's been going with the badand the Bad's been going with
(23:00):
the good all exist simultaneouson time. So when we see it, we
don't have to be on theemotional roller coaster. And
that's the important part.
That's where we can actually,like, just get more
accomplished, achieved. And Idon't know about you, but I feel
better when I'm not on anemotional roller coaster. So
when we have challenges, right,things that frustrate us, things
that we're struggling with, wewant to sit there and ask how
(23:22):
it's serving us, and how it'sserving what's important to us.
I was just working with this,with a CEO who's going through,
like, a really challenginglawsuit, right? And part of it,
it's like, well, how is thisfinancially empowering you,
right? How is this financiallyempowering you? How is this
empowering you in business? Howis this empowering you as a
leader, and as we're goingthrough it. It's like, okay,
then what's missing? And we hada good laugh, because I was
(23:43):
like, man, like, they're givingyou some great personal
development, right? I was like,we actually went through how
much he's invested in it. And Iwas like, was that a worthwhile
investment for what you got outof it? And he's like, yeah,
yeah, for sure. And I was like,and can you keep going through
it, and will you still get moreout of it? And he's like, I got
this, I got this. And so atfirst, it's the emotion behind
it, and the frustration and theanger, because you're not seeing
(24:05):
the gift that these challengesare bringing when you go in and
see the gift. Guess what? Now,when they're in the courtroom,
do you think they're going to beangry, frustrated, yelling and
annoyed, or do you think they'rejust going to sit back and be
like, I'm grateful, like, kindof crazy, but I'm actually
grateful that I'm going throughthis and I don't have to be the
emotional volatile one, and thenthe other person's emotionally
(24:25):
volatile. It's really afascinating experience to
actually see and witness. And Ihad someone else who went
through this as well, where theywere stuck in a court case, and
we did some work on this aswell, and they cleared it, and
they said, I was like, How'd itgo? They were in a custody
battle with their kids, and thiswas pretty wild, but they I was
like, how did it go? And she'slike, it went great. She's like,
(24:47):
it didn't matter what he said. Ididn't cry, I wasn't frustrated.
She just, I said, sat there. Ididn't have any emotion. He
couldn't impact me at all. Andit was like, and he was just off
his rocker. He was. Going crazy.
The judge looked at him like hewas the nut job. He's like, it
really helped my my case, and Iwas, like, awesome, awesome. And
so that's what I say. It's like,we want to clear that
(25:08):
resentment, because, you know,I'm giving you examples of,
like, court cases and stuff, butthat also flows into our
business as well. And so findout how it's serving you. Find
out what gifts it's giving you.
And if you say, Carly, I don'tknow, I can't then you're not
looking hard enough keeplooking. Look, look, look, look,
look, look, look, I will sitthere for if I have to do an
hour on someone on just oneparticular thing, just to make
sure that they get it and nailit like you're gonna get it and
(25:31):
nail it. It's very important foryou to actually see how these
specific circumstances areserving you, because then you're
very objective and they don'timpact you emotionally. The
other dynamic when we look atthat other side, right? Because
we have the dichotomy within usthat's also wanting to get only
the pleasureful situationsyou'll have, situations that you
encounter, and this is whereit's a little trickier to catch.
(25:52):
But if you're looking atsomething and you're so elated
about it, and it's all good andit's all amazing, you're not
asking quality questions on whatare some of the challenges that
actually come with it, right?
And so I was working with anindividual, and we were going
through the expansion of thebusiness in this very specific
(26:14):
way, right? And they're all laidabout, and I can tell I was
like, Man, this person has notlooked at this objectively Yeah,
like, they have not, like, noteven slightly, and so they're
really proud and they're reallypuffed up, which simultaneously
the wife at home is beating themup like crazy because they're
all high on I laugh because Isay it's like, we get high on
our own supply, of, like, ourpride, like, getting high on
(26:36):
your own supply, my friend. Sobasically, we go through and you
start to ask, what are some ofthe drawbacks of that? Like,
what are some of the drawbacksof what you're doing? Let's look
at the other side until you cansee there's the equal drawbacks
to benefit. And then all of asudden you get objective. And as
we're going through it, like, atthe end of it, I was like, how
you feel? And they're like,good. And they're, I'm they
(26:58):
said, I've realised that the waythat I was putting this together
like it would have crashed andburned, like it wouldn't have
even happened, because I wasn'teven looking at the other side,
and so I wasn't even planningfor these obvious pitfalls that
were in the way. And that's whathaving too much elation can do.
It can make you ignore the otherside, and that makes you ignore
(27:18):
the pitfalls that you canprepare for. So this is like a
leadership tool, right? Ifyou're not facing and looking at
both sides of things, thenyou're either ignoring the
pitfalls or you're ignoring thestrengths. And when you can see
both of that, what are you yourobjective, right? We're just
subjective. So those are qualityquestions that you can ask. And
the real trick is starting to beable to catch when you get,
(27:41):
like, too high, too low, toohigh, too low, and that's that's
tricky. That's definitelysomething we're not taught.
Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (27:50):
this is indeed, thank you for this tool. It is a
tool, and seeing the askingquality questions and seeing the
equal benefit of the gift. Yourefer to it as a gift, and being
objective, these are very usefulCarly as I will start wrapping
(28:15):
things up for today. The firstthing I wanted to ask you was,
where do you want to direct ourlistener who wants to find out
more?
Carly Pepin (28:26):
Yeah, I'd love them to go to my website, which is
West Coast growth advisors.comand they can contact me directly
there. They can hop over toLinkedIn, whatever they prefer.
Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (28:37):
that's great. And I have also two quick questions,
and the first one is, what doespersonal development mean to
you?
Carly Pepin (28:48):
Yes, so personal development, to me, means that
we're actually developing arelationship with ourselves.
There's nothing missing insideof us, but it's really getting
to know who you are, what you'rehere for the strengths you have
like and everything like,everything that's important
about you, and kind of reallybeing able to cultivate and
craft that in a way that you cancreate a life that every day you
(29:11):
wake up and you say, I get to dothis. You know, no matter
whether or not it's challengingor not, like it will be
challenging. I want you to, Iwant you to face so many
challenges and do so manyamazing things in your life and
be like I didn't think I couldachieve this, but I had more
energy doing it because I didwhat I loved. That's personal
development.
Agi Keramidas (29:30):
Indeed. You remind me of what Jim Rohn used
to say, it was easier. You wishyou were better. Yeah. And
Carly, hypothetically, if youcould go back in time and meet
your 18 year old self, what'sone piece of advice? You would
tell her, yes,
Carly Pepin (29:47):
it doesn't look like it now, but you got this
and everything is is reallyperfect the way it is. You'll
see it later, but don't worry,you're right on track. Yeah. Do.
Agi Keramidas (30:00):
Very nice. I want to thank you so much Carly for
this conversation. It was, Ibelieve, enlightening and
useful. I'm wishing you all thevery best with carry on with
your mission and your purpose. Iwill leave it to you for your
part in wisdom to the to thelisteners,
Carly Pepin (30:23):
yeah, definitely, really dedicate your life not
just to focusing on things onthe outside, but also the
inside. It's finding thatbalance of focusing on what's
important to you and creatingthat in the world where you
actually realise like how muchyou can do and what you're
capable of. And no purpose. No.
Excuse me. No person on thisplanet is more able to achieve
that than someone else. So,yeah, if you don't believe in
(30:47):
yourself yet, just go toCourses, go to workshops,
teachers, anything possible tomake sure that you start to to
let that seed plant inside youand and keep it growing. Yeah,
Agi Keramidas (31:03):
I hope you found this episode enlightening. If
you have been resonating withthese conversations and feel
like you are at the crossroadsin your life, I offer one to one
coaching to help you gainclarity and step into your next
chapter with confidence. If thatsounds interesting, reach out to
(31:28):
me and let's have aconversation. And until next
time, Stand out. Don't fit in
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