What if the voice of self-doubt isn’t your enemy, but the doorway to your most peaceful, purposeful, and courageous life?
If you’re outwardly “successful” yet still feel not-enough, isolated, or stuck in your head, this conversation shows how to shift from overthinking and overachieving to inner alignment, so you can live and lead without the constant pressure cooker of proving yourself.
- Discover a practical way to separate from self-doubt instead of obeying it using breath and simple heart-focused presence.
- Learn how courageous honesty and sharing your doubts dismantle loneliness and deepen relationships at work and at home.
- Learn repeatable practices that build real fulfillment, not just more goals.
Hit play now to learn the head-to-heart path Mario Lanzarotti uses with founders to quiet doubt, amplify self-trust, and create success that actually feels like success.
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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:
02:40 - Mario Lanzarotti's Background and Personal Journey
03:26 - Turning Point: Understanding Self-Doubt Through Meditation
07:14 - The Relationship Between Self-Doubt and Loneliness
12:38 - Living in the Heart: A Practical Approach to Overcoming Self-Doubt
18:19 - Transitioning from Head to Heart: Practical Strategies
24:00 - The Role of Self-Love in Addressing Self-Doubt
29:36 - Finding Fulfillment and Alignment in Life
33:38 - Personal Development Insights and Closing Reflections
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MEMORABLE QUOTE:
"Keep going, make your mistakes, and trust the journey."
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VALUABLE RESOURCES:
Connect with Mario on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lanzarottimario/
Mario's website: https://www.mariolanzarotti.com/
Mario's TEDx talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeOX5Zu36M
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Coaching with Agi: https://personaldevelopmentmasterypodcast.com/mentor
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Agi Keramidas (00:00):
How to transform self doubt into self trust and
build a life that is alignedwith who you really are. Welcome
to personal development mastery,the podcast for intelligent,
busy professionals who haveachieved success but feel
something's missing and areseeking clarity, purpose and
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fulfilment. Each episode helpsyou grow by inspiring aligned
action through practicalinsights you can actually use.
I'm your host. Agi Keramidas.
Join us every Monday for aninsightful conversation with a
guest, and it's Thursday for ashorter episode where I reflect
and share with you. This isepisode 542 if you are looking
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to overcome self doubt and livewith greater alignment, this
conversation explores how selfdoubt is actually the doorway to
your most peaceful, purposefuland courageous life. Keep
listening to discover practicalways to separate from self doubt
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Instead of obeying it, andtransform it into self trust.
Before we start, if you resonatewith the topics we discuss on
the podcast, and you arenavigating a transition, or
perhaps feeling cold, to a nextchapter that is more purposeful
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and intentional, I offer one toone coaching and mentoring to
help you get clear, reconnectwith what truly matters and move
ahead with confidence to explorewhat that could look like for
you, visit personal developmentmastery podcast.com/mentor or
just tap the link in the shownotes. Now let's get started. My
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yesterday is Mario. Lanzarote,Mario, you are the founder of
aligned founders, a globalmovement helping high performing
men scale their businesseswithout sacrificing their peace,
purpose or relationships. Youhave coached over 2000 founders
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in 15 countries have built amulti six figure coaching
business, and you delivered aTEDx talk with nearly 3 million
views on how to stop doubtingyourself. Mario, welcome to the
show. It's such a delight tohave you with me today.
Mario Lanzarotti (02:40):
Agi, thank you so much for having me on your
show, and I'm excited to diveinto the conversation.
Agi Keramidas (02:46):
And so in my end, I'm looking forward to exploring
with you, building trust inourselves and stop doubting
ourselves. I know it is a bigpromise to make, but that will
be you know, the main topic Iwant to discuss with you before
I go there, and I will go therein a moment. But can you tell us
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briefly, what was the turningpoint for you in your self
doubt, to perceive it in thedifferent way that led you
afterwards to the talk and thework that you have done?
Mario Lanzarotti (03:26):
Yeah, that's a great question. I would say this
started when I began meditating,because until then, I I
understood doubt as a voice oftruth. So when doubt was telling
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me I'm not working hard enough,I'm not good enough, I tried to
improve myself, like so many do,and so that led me down to a
path of self improvement, whereI gained a lot of skills in
communication, in organisation,in planning, and that definitely
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helped, and it also got me tobecome more more effective in
the way that I work. And so Iachieved more, but it was always
very short lived, because thedoubt never stopped, and I was
always left with, I don't feelgood enough. I'm not doing
enough. And it was always thisvoice of not enoughness, this
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voice of scarcity. And no matterhow many goals I achieved, you
know, I sold my first businessin New York, and I thought that
after that, I must feel likethey're the king of the world.
And I didn't very far from that.
And so I began to question mysolution to self doubt, because
my solution to self doubt wasjust work harder, perform more,
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achieve more. And that justclearly didn't work. And. Years,
then I started meditation, andin meditation, I learned to
separate myself from the doubt.
I learned to recognise thatdoubt is a part of me, but it's
not who I am. And so with thatseparation, I understood that I
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don't actually have to do whatthe doubt tells me to do. And
that may sound like a smallthing, but it was a huge
breakthrough for me, because Irealised that this is simply a
voice inside of me, and thatvoice wants something. It has a
need. And if I treat the voicelike it's a part of me that
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simply wants something, then Ican understand, begin to
understand that maybe that partof me isn't asking me to achieve
more, but it's asking me to paymore attention, and specifically
pay more loving attention,because I started to do this
simply by sitting, breathing andjust like putting my hand on my
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heart. And the moment I didthat, the voice became really
quiet, really quiet, and I waslike, this is interesting. I'm
not achieving more, I'm notdoing more, I'm not working
harder. I'm not doing anythingactually. I'm just sitting here
taking deep breaths, observingthat voice and putting my hand
on my heart, and all of asudden, the voice is getting
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quiet. I was like, this is veryinteresting. So maybe this, this
doubt, isn't this bad, evilenemy that has been chasing me
and telling me that I'm not goodenough my whole life. Maybe this
is something different. And thatwas the point where I started to
ask myself, well actually, whatif doubt was a good thing?
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Because if I use doubt in theway that I just described to
you, and I just sat more,meditated more, took deeper
breaths, and basically was morecompassionate with myself than
what's actually helping me dothat, and it's the doubt that's
helping me do that.
Agi Keramidas (07:14):
Thank you for this, the way that you shared
the story, and I think the theability to separate, even for
brief moments, from that, theself doubt in the case, the case
that you were describing, butfrom any stream of thinking that
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takes you in a way that youdon't want to go it is an
ability that it's not a smallthing to be able to see that, to
separate yourself from that,rather than, you know, identify
with with it. Let's talk aboutself doubt. So you started
(08:00):
already with self doubt, and Iwould love to stay with that and
discuss something that you talkabout in your TED Talk, which,
by the way, I will say also thatit is, in my humble opinion, it
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is an outstanding dog. So I willanyone watching us, I would
definitely, and the link will bein the show notes watch it, but
there was something that I willstart with, and you were talking
about self doubt, havingloneliness as its ally. So in
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other words, they go hand tohand, so self doubt causes you
to become lonely, and thenloneliness feeds on self doubt.
So I would like to start withsome with a comment. Your
comment on that, because I thinkit's important to understand
that self doubt is not somethingthat affects only us.
Mario Lanzarotti (09:05):
Yeah, big time. Think about this. Most
every human being has selfdoubt. The people that say they
don't, they're usually afraid toadmit it, and those are other
deeper issues going on there.
But every human beingexperiences self doubt, and
that's just a very normal thingthat takes place. But the
problem happens is when wepretend that we don't, and when
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we then make self doubt to bethis, this sign of weakness,
this confirmation of weakness.
And this happens in myexperience more in men than in
women, and when we don't sharethat, when we don't, when we're
not real about that, we isolateand we retreat. And you can be
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you can be in a room with lovingfamily, friends, spouse,
children, and you can feeldeeply a. On, and that's not
because you are alone, butthat's because you isolate with
a part of yourself. It's like,there's a, there's this, like,
imagine there's a, there's acorner in your psyche that you
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do not allow anyone to know thatit's there. And so essentially,
you're only showing you know.
You're showing, a limited,reduced version of yourself, and
you're saying about the rest ofthat version that's not worthy
of being seen, of beingacknowledged, of really existing
actually. And so loneliness isalways the result of that. And
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if you don't know that, thenyou're going to look for
external measures. Then you'regoing to go, oh, you know, my
wife doesn't love me enough, mymy my colleague doesn't praise
me enough, my father doesn'tappreciate me enough. You're
going to stop projecting it toyour relationships, because you
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don't know that you're carryingthat on the inside, so you're
looking for it on the outside,and that then causes all the
problems in relationships,because now you distance
yourself from people becauseyou're looking to get something
from another person that theycannot give you. And the sad
part of this is completelyunconscious, so you have no no
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understanding that this istaking place, and you can't even
do something about this. Andthis is what I see. A lot
happening in our society, isthat we, we fear being singled
out, being rejected for ourinherent human vulnerability.
That in this case I call selfdoubt.
Agi Keramidas (11:42):
Indeed, I like how you said it the human
vulnerability. And you say thatin order to step out of this, or
that is to share that selfdoubt, that piece of you that
you have been possiblywithholding from from public
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views, to share it, but withsomeone who you trust, and you
talk about sharing it with in acourageous way, because it, and
from my experience, it doesrequire a certain amount of
courage to express somethingthat is vulnerable or that you
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feel might reveal a weakness ofyou or might open you up to
other people's judgments. Ithink you can understand where
I'm going with that. So talk tous about this, sharing our self
doubt courageously.
Mario Lanzarotti (12:45):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because
if you ask what people want,more or less, people all give
you the same answers. They wanta good career, they want a
healthy body. They want goodrelationships. Maybe they want
to travel, a nice house, a nicecar. You know, these are things
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that every human being wants,but then you ask, Why do you
want that? And then you getdeeper, and then you people want
these things because theyprovide them with a sense of
safety, with a sense of peace,with a sense of happiness. And
essentially, in essence, we allwant internal experiences, and
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we just think that theseexternal experiences are only
possible through material orrelational success in inherent
ways that we control. But then,when you look at it, all of the
things that we desire, they areheart qualities. They all live
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inside the heart. And what I'veseen is that even though we
often attach ourselves towanting the the positive things
in life, like I only want tofeel happy, I only want to feel
peace, I only want to feel joy,I only want to feel great about
myself. That's not a that's nota human experience. It's just
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that's not life. And when we tryto make that this way, we end up
suffering more than actuallyintended. And what I've seen is
the more you live in your heart,the less that actually matters.
What I mean by that is, when youlive in your heart, you
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essentially live a moreunfiltered experience of life.
When you live in your heart, youcan almost, you can be fully
present to sadness, and thenwhat you're experiencing is
actually aliveness, becausealiveness is being present with
what's what's taking place,without labelling it good or
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bad. And when we live in ourminds. Space, we think, we
rationalise, we strategic, weput a strategy on, on
everything, and that alwaysleads to suffering. But then in
the heart space, there's thisthere's this place of like, I
don't know what's going tohappen, and it doesn't matter. I
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know what's here, and I knowwhat's now, and I know it's
alive and courage the gateway tothat when you're, when you when,
when you doubt your capabilityto start your own business. I
got it all right, that's normal,cool. And now what? Nothing
changes. You can doubt thatexperience, and you can say,
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Look, you know what? It doesn'tmatter. I live in my heart and I
will take a courageous step. Andthe courageous step might be you
hiring a business coach, or yougoing to a seminar, or you put
handing in your three monthsnotice at your job, right? It
could be so many things that areall dependent on you living in
your heart space. In the heartspace, you act on faith you say
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I don't know what's going tohappen, and that's okay. I will
do what I need to do based onwhat's true for me in this
moment right now, and whenyou're living inside of that,
you're no longer held back bythe conversation that takes
place up here that so often overcomplicates your way of living
life.
Agi Keramidas (16:24):
Mario, you in your answer you mentioned a few
times, live in in your heart.
There is perhaps some in somepeople, some kind of lack of
clarity on what that means. Ofcourse, you gave some
(16:47):
explanations with sitting withyour emotion or with your self
doubt. But what I wanted to askmore than that is practically
for someone. And you know, Iwould assume that most people
listening are living in theirhead, at least, perhaps, you
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know, not 100% of the time, butthe majority of their time. And
I will hold my hand up, and Iwill say, I am one of them,
honestly, however, living in theheart, it is, in many ways, it
is, I personally see it as aspiritual evolution. I will use
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this phrase, but it doesn'tmatter how one calls it. It is a
more, let's say advantageous wayof living, certainly more at
peace, more aligned with ourtrue nature as beings and so on.
My question is, what can one do?
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You mention meditation? Let'ssay one does practices
meditation. What is somethingelse one can do to travel more
into that journey from, as yousay, the beautifully in your
talk, the journey from the headto the heart.
Mario Lanzarotti (18:19):
Yeah, that's a great question. And you know,
the what we have to understandabout that is that that old age
saying the mind thinks and theheart knows, and what that
actually means is that when youlive in the heart, you live in
truth, and we all knowultimately what is true for
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ourselves. We know what we want.
People often say this. It'slike, oh, I don't know what I
want. I don't know what I want,and I'm and I often challenge
people, and I say, I think youdo know what you want. You're
just too scared to own what youactually want. You know that you
don't want to be in this career.
You know that you don't want towork with these clients. You
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know that you don't want to besingle. You know that you don't
want to live in the UK in thecold weather, and you want to
move to Greece. You know thatyou you know you already know
this is the this is the attitudethat we have to take. And when
you come from a place of truth.
You're now also living at therisk of losing your ego in your
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your constructed self, the busy,constructed way that you have to
think that you have to live yourlife and look, I have compassion
for this, because I've beenthrough this many, many, many,
many times, and I'm goingthrough it right now in many
different ways, because my mindis telling me go left, and my
heart is telling me go right,and the heart is very silent.
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It's very clear. It doesn't haveto make a great bravado. It
doesn't have to give me a dramachaos, none of it. It's just
saying you're supposed to gothis way. And the mind then goes
and creates. It's all of theselimitations, all of this. But
what if this happens? What if Ilose my job? What if I lose the
approval of my family? What ifno one likes me anymore? What if
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people cancel me online? Oh, myGod. Oh my God. And the heart
just keeps saying, hey, goright. Keep going right. And so
in order for one to to to makethis transition as smooth as
humanly possible. In myexperience is you have to slow
down. If you don't slow down,nothing else matters, because
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you're not going to hear it andyou're going to be caught up in
the jungle of your mind, in thein the in the radio station that
keeps telling you, I'm not goodenough. I can't do this. I'm not
ready. It's too late. You'regoing to be caught up there. And
so you have to slow yourselfdown. And that starts by taking
(20:52):
deep breaths and by actuallyslowing down your movement.
Literally, people think slowingdown is like, this complex
style, this is this? Like, whatdo I have to do? Like, this is
done the seminar. I'm like, nowalk slower, Drink slower, eat
slower. Just move slower. Slowdown. Your speaking tone, all of
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these things help your bodystart to move into into a into a
peace response, right? Your yournervous system starts to
regulate, starts to slow down.
And when that happens, you'regoing to be confronted with two
things. You're going to beconfronted with all of the stuff
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that you've been running from,which is the I'm not good
enough, I've I've missed out onlife. People don't like me. I'm
a loser, I'm a failure. All ofthose limiting beliefs that
we've been running away from,they're going to come up, and
you're not going to like that.
It's going to feeluncomfortable. Some anger will
pop up, some sadness will comeup, some guilt, some shame. And
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when you sit through that, whenyou breathe through that,
there's going to be peace,there's going to be clarity, and
then you're going to get theseintuitive moments of like, call
Agi, ask him to be on hispodcast. Go book the ticket to
Dubai. Quit your job, buy thatbook, let go of that person, and
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it won't make sense in manycases, because your mind will
go, Yeah, but, yeah, but, butthe moment you follow it, you're
going to you're building trustin the heart. And you do this
day after day. Literally, thiscan be a daily practice, and
over the next course of months,you've built so much trust in
your heart that now you knowthis is a path for me that I can
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trust, and it's resulting in inbeneficial experiences in my
life. So why wouldn't I justkeep going down, walking down
that path?
Agi Keramidas (22:59):
Thank you, and I will only add to that when you
have this kind of inspiredthoughts or ideas or that come
up, or knowing that comes upmany times because it is and
again, I will speak from mypersonal experience because it
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is impractical to take action onthem straight away at where you
are, and because they can besubtle, they can be forgotten. I
was keeping a diary of thesekinds of thoughts so that I can
refer to those inspired ideasthat I had, so I'm just adding
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that as something that helped meto keep track of because there
can be a lot
Mario Lanzarotti (23:51):
that's a good One, that's a very practical
Agi Keramidas (23:55):
one. Mario
Unknown (23:58):
in
Agi Keramidas (24:00):
facing self doubt and expressing our self doubt to
others, and all these things wehave discussed so far, I want to
add in the mix the element ofself love, or as you said in
your talk to fill our cup, ourself love tongue, that's how you
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say it. So explain to us alsothe relevance of that, and
specifically with in terms ofself doubt.
Mario Lanzarotti (24:38):
Yeah, that's a great one. So the way that I got
to this is from what I sharedearlier, when I realised that if
I stop running from self doubt,and if I stop making it an
enemy, and if instead I sitdown, I take deep breaths, I
place a hand on my heart. And Iallow myself to actually feel
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what I haven't allowed myself tofeel. That very act is an act of
love. It's an act of lovetowards the self that I've been
running from because the selfthat's creating the thoughts
around I'm not good enough, Ican't do this. I'm not ready.
That's a part of myself thatI've been abandoning, that I've
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been rejecting, that I've beendenying. And it's so
interesting, once you do thiswork, you will understand, for
instance, a lot of people havehave a fear of putting
themselves out here, like doinga podcast, recording content,
doing a TEDx talk, because theywill say, What if people judge
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me? What if people reject me?
But I can guarantee you, it'severy time. It's not because of
some something that someone'sactually saying in their life.
It's because of of is areflection of how they are
relating to the part ofthemselves that's scared. That
part is saying, oh my god, oh mygod. What if people judge me?
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And what do they do? And theygo, you don't matter. Shut up. I
don't want to hear you. So theypush it away. So they go, work
harder, study more, learn more,achieve more. But if you
actually let that part come upand give it love in the way that
I showed and explained, thatpart is going to feel loved,
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that part will feelacknowledged, seen, listened to,
and in that way, you're meetingyour own needs, and that's how
you fill up the self love tank.
And this is different from whata lot you see in this, in the in
the popular culture, whereas thesense of like, just love
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yourself, you know, just just,you know, take a bubble bath and
do something that's good foryou, that that's nice. I'm not
saying that's bad thing, youknow, sure, but this goes way
deeper. This is about actuallyhealing the relationship that
you have with all of yourself,because everything that you're
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lacking on the outside is areflection of what you're
lacking on the inside. If you'relacking money, you are not
taking the actions to get themoney. Why you're not taking the
actions? Because there's someform of doubt or fear that you
have that is preventing you fromtaking that action. If you're if
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you don't have a greatrelationship, is because you're
either choosing the wrongpeople, or you are the wrong
person. You're not showing up asa kind, loving, courageous, warm
person, you're holding back, andthat's because of the
relationship you have withyourself. And so this kind of
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shift empowers you beyondmeasure, and it gives you back
the power that you've alwaysbeen looking for outside of
yourself, and then you realisethat it has always been within
you. And to me, that's the mostbeautiful thing, definitely.
Agi Keramidas (28:13):
And thank you for this way of explaining how it is
the word acceptance came to myself acceptance, you know,
especially of the parts of usthat we that are, let's say the
dark ones, or the ones that theyare not Showing Mario, there is
(28:39):
for someone listening right nowthat I have, I've had quite a
few conversations with people,and there seem to be all in a
similar situation with whichmeans external success. It's
actually you have experiencedthat as well, and so have I
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success without fulfilment orwith an element of disconnect,
or something lacking despite,you know, having ticked all the
boxes? So for someone listeningwho fits that criteria, what
would you tell them what's one,perhaps one courageous step they
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could take towards alignment,fulfilment, or anything else
that might be on the other sideof this?
Mario Lanzarotti (29:36):
Yeah, it's a great question. And what comes
up for me, there is a lack offulfilment I often see is a
reflection of a lack of beingtrue to yourself. Because people
are intelligent, we all have anatural intelligence. That's
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speaking to us at all times.
24/7, call it intuition, andthis is pretty much what I to
piggyback on earlier. This isthe voice of the heart, and it's
been speaking to you this wholetime, but you've been so busy
chasing goals, trying to makeit, trying to prove something to
the world or to yourself thatyou've been pushing away this
(30:22):
voice, and I would say the firstplace that you have to start if
you want to live a fulfilledlife, you have to become quiet,
and you have to slow down, andyou have to start listening more
than you're thinking. This isnot a figuring it out process,
and this is where most peoplestruggle, because they're so
especially successful people inthe material sense, they're so
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used to being in control oftheir lives, of figuring
everything out in their ownmeans that they're always
thinking. And this is not athinking process. This is a
listening where you might take apen and a journal and you ask a
question. You're like, Okay,what's what does a fulfilled
life look like, actually, to me?
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And then you don't think aboutthat, but you listen, you notice
what comes up. This is okay,that kind of relationship. I
want to live in this country. Iwant to work only one day a
week, and all these things startcoming up, and then you have a
list, like you said, you have alist of other things that you
can actually go through, and youcould apply this new say, What
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would fulfilment look like in myrelationships? And then my you
might get an answer that says,you know, it would look like
being true, being and speakingthe truth and actually making
peace with people and resolvingconflict and taking
responsibility, maybe, andsaying I forgive you, or saying
I am sorry, and you'll you'll bemet with a list of items, of
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things that you can do and when,when that comes through. Now you
are moved back into a place ofalignment, and once you're in a
place of alignment, you thinkfrom a place of truth, and
that's when you can restructureyour life. That's when you can
restructure your business oryour career in a meaningful way.
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But if you don't do that, youwill be creating the next
chapter from the persona thatcaused the chapter that's called
I'm not fulfilled, and you'rejust going to continue the same
process that leads you to thesame place you know. To conclude
with that one of my favouritequotes in the world by Albert
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Einstein. He said you can fix aproblem with the same level of
thinking that created it, andthis is what most of us are
doing. We're trying to use thisone here, instead of stepping
into this one. What?
Agi Keramidas (32:54):
What is the best place for someone who has
listened to us and wants toexplore more and find out more
about you, Mario, where will youdirect them?
Mario Lanzarotti (33:06):
Yeah, thank you for that question. I would
say the best way is connect withme on LinkedIn. I'm very active
there, almost Monday, prettymuch Monday to Friday. Just find
me. Use my name, MarioLanzarote. And what I would say
is, I'd love to hear what didyou think about the podcast?
What did you learn? What wasyour biggest takeaway, and
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maybe, is there something thatshifted for you just be by
listening to this podcast? Andyeah, that's that's really my
invitation. I'd love to hearfrom people.
Agi Keramidas (33:38):
Thank you, Mario.
I also have two quick questionsthat I always ask my guests. And
the first one is, what doespersonal development mean to
you?
Mario Lanzarotti (33:52):
Personal Development to me, means
mastery. It means learning tomaster the art of living in
alignment with who I am and withthe life that I am creating.
Agi Keramidas (34:16):
And hypothetically, if you could go
back in time and meet your 18year old self. What's one piece
of advice you would give him?
Mario Lanzarotti (34:27):
That's a tricky question, because if I
give him a piece of advice, itwould change the way he acts
Agi Keramidas (34:35):
only if he listens it.
Mario Lanzarotti (34:42):
Yeah, it would, it would alter the course
of my life, and it would changewhere I end up. And that would
probably mean that you and Iwouldn't have this conversation
today, and so I will stay, staywith my with my philosophy, and
I say, I wouldn't say anything.
I'd say, you know, keep going,bro, keep you're going to make.
Make a lot of mistakes, makethem, and maybe I would just say
thank you, thank you.
Agi Keramidas (35:07):
And I will also say thank you, Mario for this
captivating conversation. I wantto wish you all the very best
with your mission and making adifference. And I will leave it
to you for your parting wordsand any message for the listener
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of this conversation,
Mario Lanzarotti (35:33):
thank you, Agi, really appreciate the
conversation with you and finalparting thoughts, Agi, listen to
your heart. It already speaks toyou. It's already revealing to
you what's right for you, andsurrendering to that voice,
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giving into that voice, will bethe scariest thing that you're
going to do in your life, and itwill be the best thing that
you're going to do in your life.
Agi Keramidas (36:09):
Thank you for listening to this conversation
with Mario Lanzarote. I hope ithas given you a fresh
perspective on turning selfdoubt into a guide for courage,
fulfilment and self trust. Ifthis conversation inspired you
or gave you somethingmeaningful, consider supporting
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How to transform self doubt into self trust and
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to overcome self doubt and livewith greater alignment, this
conversation explores how selfdoubt is actually the doorway to
your most peaceful, purposefuland courageous life. Keep
listening to discover practicalways to separate from self doubt
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Instead of obeying it, andtransform it into self trust.
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yesterday is Mario. Lanzarote,Mario, you are the founder of
aligned founders, a globalmovement helping high performing
men scale their businesseswithout sacrificing their peace,
purpose or relationships. Youhave coached over 2000 founders
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in 15 countries have built amulti six figure coaching
business, and you delivered aTEDx talk with nearly 3 million
views on how to stop doubtingyourself. Mario, welcome to the
show. It's such a delight tohave you with me today.
Mario Lanzarotti (02:40):
Agi, thank you so much for having me on your
show, and I'm excited to diveinto the conversation.
Agi Keramidas (02:46):
And so in my end, I'm looking forward to exploring
with you, building trust inourselves and stop doubting
ourselves. I know it is a bigpromise to make, but that will
be you know, the main topic Iwant to discuss with you before
I go there, and I will go therein a moment. But can you tell us
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briefly, what was the turningpoint for you in your self
doubt, to perceive it in thedifferent way that led you
afterwards to the talk and thework that you have done?
Mario Lanzarotti (03:26):
Yeah, that's a great question. I would say this
started when I began meditating,because until then, I I
understood doubt as a voice oftruth. So when doubt was telling
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me I'm not working hard enough,I'm not good enough, I tried to
improve myself, like so many do,and so that led me down to a
path of self improvement, whereI gained a lot of skills in
communication, in organisation,in planning, and that definitely
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helped, and it also got me tobecome more more effective in
the way that I work. And so Iachieved more, but it was always
very short lived, because thedoubt never stopped, and I was
always left with, I don't feelgood enough. I'm not doing
enough. And it was always thisvoice of not enoughness, this
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voice of scarcity. And no matterhow many goals I achieved, you
know, I sold my first businessin New York, and I thought that
after that, I must feel likethey're the king of the world.
And I didn't very far from that.
And so I began to question mysolution to self doubt, because
my solution to self doubt wasjust work harder, perform more,
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achieve more. And that justclearly didn't work. And. Years,
then I started meditation, andin meditation, I learned to
separate myself from the doubt.
I learned to recognise thatdoubt is a part of me, but it's
not who I am. And so with thatseparation, I understood that I
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don't actually have to do whatthe doubt tells me to do. And
that may sound like a smallthing, but it was a huge
breakthrough for me, because Irealised that this is simply a
voice inside of me, and thatvoice wants something. It has a
need. And if I treat the voicelike it's a part of me that
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simply wants something, then Ican understand, begin to
understand that maybe that partof me isn't asking me to achieve
more, but it's asking me to paymore attention, and specifically
pay more loving attention,because I started to do this
simply by sitting, breathing andjust like putting my hand on my
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heart. And the moment I didthat, the voice became really
quiet, really quiet, and I waslike, this is interesting. I'm
not achieving more, I'm notdoing more, I'm not working
harder. I'm not doing anythingactually. I'm just sitting here
taking deep breaths, observingthat voice and putting my hand
on my heart, and all of asudden, the voice is getting
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quiet. I was like, this is veryinteresting. So maybe this, this
doubt, isn't this bad, evilenemy that has been chasing me
and telling me that I'm not goodenough my whole life. Maybe this
is something different. And thatwas the point where I started to
ask myself, well actually, whatif doubt was a good thing?
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Because if I use doubt in theway that I just described to
you, and I just sat more,meditated more, took deeper
breaths, and basically was morecompassionate with myself than
what's actually helping me dothat, and it's the doubt that's
helping me do that.
Agi Keramidas (07:14):
Thank you for this, the way that you shared
the story, and I think the theability to separate, even for
brief moments, from that, theself doubt in the case, the case
that you were describing, butfrom any stream of thinking that
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takes you in a way that youdon't want to go it is an
ability that it's not a smallthing to be able to see that, to
separate yourself from that,rather than, you know, identify
with with it. Let's talk aboutself doubt. So you started
(08:00):
already with self doubt, and Iwould love to stay with that and
discuss something that you talkabout in your TED Talk, which,
by the way, I will say also thatit is, in my humble opinion, it
(08:21):
is an outstanding dog. So I willanyone watching us, I would
definitely, and the link will bein the show notes watch it, but
there was something that I willstart with, and you were talking
about self doubt, havingloneliness as its ally. So in
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other words, they go hand tohand, so self doubt causes you
to become lonely, and thenloneliness feeds on self doubt.
So I would like to start withsome with a comment. Your
comment on that, because I thinkit's important to understand
that self doubt is not somethingthat affects only us.
Mario Lanzarotti (09:05):
Yeah, big time. Think about this. Most
every human being has selfdoubt. The people that say they
don't, they're usually afraid toadmit it, and those are other
deeper issues going on there.
But every human beingexperiences self doubt, and
that's just a very normal thingthat takes place. But the
problem happens is when wepretend that we don't, and when
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we then make self doubt to bethis, this sign of weakness,
this confirmation of weakness.
And this happens in myexperience more in men than in
women, and when we don't sharethat, when we don't, when we're
not real about that, we isolateand we retreat. And you can be
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you can be in a room with lovingfamily, friends, spouse,
children, and you can feeldeeply a. On, and that's not
because you are alone, butthat's because you isolate with
a part of yourself. It's like,there's a, there's this, like,
imagine there's a, there's acorner in your psyche that you
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do not allow anyone to know thatit's there. And so essentially,
you're only showing you know.
You're showing, a limited,reduced version of yourself, and
you're saying about the rest ofthat version that's not worthy
of being seen, of beingacknowledged, of really existing
actually. And so loneliness isalways the result of that. And
(10:36):
if you don't know that, thenyou're going to look for
external measures. Then you'regoing to go, oh, you know, my
wife doesn't love me enough, mymy my colleague doesn't praise
me enough, my father doesn'tappreciate me enough. You're
going to stop projecting it toyour relationships, because you
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don't know that you're carryingthat on the inside, so you're
looking for it on the outside,and that then causes all the
problems in relationships,because now you distance
yourself from people becauseyou're looking to get something
from another person that theycannot give you. And the sad
part of this is completelyunconscious, so you have no no
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understanding that this istaking place, and you can't even
do something about this. Andthis is what I see. A lot
happening in our society, isthat we, we fear being singled
out, being rejected for ourinherent human vulnerability.
That in this case I call selfdoubt.
Agi Keramidas (11:42):
Indeed, I like how you said it the human
vulnerability. And you say thatin order to step out of this, or
that is to share that selfdoubt, that piece of you that
you have been possiblywithholding from from public
(12:04):
views, to share it, but withsomeone who you trust, and you
talk about sharing it with in acourageous way, because it, and
from my experience, it doesrequire a certain amount of
courage to express somethingthat is vulnerable or that you
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feel might reveal a weakness ofyou or might open you up to
other people's judgments. Ithink you can understand where
I'm going with that. So talk tous about this, sharing our self
doubt courageously.
Mario Lanzarotti (12:45):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because
if you ask what people want,more or less, people all give
you the same answers. They wanta good career, they want a
healthy body. They want goodrelationships. Maybe they want
to travel, a nice house, a nicecar. You know, these are things
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that every human being wants,but then you ask, Why do you
want that? And then you getdeeper, and then you people want
these things because theyprovide them with a sense of
safety, with a sense of peace,with a sense of happiness. And
essentially, in essence, we allwant internal experiences, and
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we just think that theseexternal experiences are only
possible through material orrelational success in inherent
ways that we control. But then,when you look at it, all of the
things that we desire, they areheart qualities. They all live
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inside the heart. And what I'veseen is that even though we
often attach ourselves towanting the the positive things
in life, like I only want tofeel happy, I only want to feel
peace, I only want to feel joy,I only want to feel great about
myself. That's not a that's nota human experience. It's just
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that's not life. And when we tryto make that this way, we end up
suffering more than actuallyintended. And what I've seen is
the more you live in your heart,the less that actually matters.
What I mean by that is, when youlive in your heart, you
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essentially live a moreunfiltered experience of life.
When you live in your heart, youcan almost, you can be fully
present to sadness, and thenwhat you're experiencing is
actually aliveness, becausealiveness is being present with
what's what's taking place,without labelling it good or
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bad. And when we live in ourminds. Space, we think, we
rationalise, we strategic, weput a strategy on, on
everything, and that alwaysleads to suffering. But then in
the heart space, there's thisthere's this place of like, I
don't know what's going tohappen, and it doesn't matter. I
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know what's here, and I knowwhat's now, and I know it's
alive and courage the gateway tothat when you're, when you when,
when you doubt your capabilityto start your own business. I
got it all right, that's normal,cool. And now what? Nothing
changes. You can doubt thatexperience, and you can say,
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Look, you know what? It doesn'tmatter. I live in my heart and I
will take a courageous step. Andthe courageous step might be you
hiring a business coach, or yougoing to a seminar, or you put
handing in your three monthsnotice at your job, right? It
could be so many things that areall dependent on you living in
your heart space. In the heartspace, you act on faith you say
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I don't know what's going tohappen, and that's okay. I will
do what I need to do based onwhat's true for me in this
moment right now, and whenyou're living inside of that,
you're no longer held back bythe conversation that takes
place up here that so often overcomplicates your way of living
life.
Agi Keramidas (16:24):
Mario, you in your answer you mentioned a few
times, live in in your heart.
There is perhaps some in somepeople, some kind of lack of
clarity on what that means. Ofcourse, you gave some
(16:47):
explanations with sitting withyour emotion or with your self
doubt. But what I wanted to askmore than that is practically
for someone. And you know, Iwould assume that most people
listening are living in theirhead, at least, perhaps, you
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know, not 100% of the time, butthe majority of their time. And
I will hold my hand up, and Iwill say, I am one of them,
honestly, however, living in theheart, it is, in many ways, it
is, I personally see it as aspiritual evolution. I will use
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this phrase, but it doesn'tmatter how one calls it. It is a
more, let's say advantageous wayof living, certainly more at
peace, more aligned with ourtrue nature as beings and so on.
My question is, what can one do?
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You mention meditation? Let'ssay one does practices
meditation. What is somethingelse one can do to travel more
into that journey from, as yousay, the beautifully in your
talk, the journey from the headto the heart.
Mario Lanzarotti (18:19):
Yeah, that's a great question. And you know,
the what we have to understandabout that is that that old age
saying the mind thinks and theheart knows, and what that
actually means is that when youlive in the heart, you live in
truth, and we all knowultimately what is true for
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ourselves. We know what we want.
People often say this. It'slike, oh, I don't know what I
want. I don't know what I want,and I'm and I often challenge
people, and I say, I think youdo know what you want. You're
just too scared to own what youactually want. You know that you
don't want to be in this career.
You know that you don't want towork with these clients. You
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know that you don't want to besingle. You know that you don't
want to live in the UK in thecold weather, and you want to
move to Greece. You know thatyou you know you already know
this is the this is the attitudethat we have to take. And when
you come from a place of truth.
You're now also living at therisk of losing your ego in your
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your constructed self, the busy,constructed way that you have to
think that you have to live yourlife and look, I have compassion
for this, because I've beenthrough this many, many, many,
many times, and I'm goingthrough it right now in many
different ways, because my mindis telling me go left, and my
heart is telling me go right,and the heart is very silent.
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It's very clear. It doesn't haveto make a great bravado. It
doesn't have to give me a dramachaos, none of it. It's just
saying you're supposed to gothis way. And the mind then goes
and creates. It's all of theselimitations, all of this. But
what if this happens? What if Ilose my job? What if I lose the
approval of my family? What ifno one likes me anymore? What if
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people cancel me online? Oh, myGod. Oh my God. And the heart
just keeps saying, hey, goright. Keep going right. And so
in order for one to to to makethis transition as smooth as
humanly possible. In myexperience is you have to slow
down. If you don't slow down,nothing else matters, because
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you're not going to hear it andyou're going to be caught up in
the jungle of your mind, in thein the in the radio station that
keeps telling you, I'm not goodenough. I can't do this. I'm not
ready. It's too late. You'regoing to be caught up there. And
so you have to slow yourselfdown. And that starts by taking
(20:52):
deep breaths and by actuallyslowing down your movement.
Literally, people think slowingdown is like, this complex
style, this is this? Like, whatdo I have to do? Like, this is
done the seminar. I'm like, nowalk slower, Drink slower, eat
slower. Just move slower. Slowdown. Your speaking tone, all of
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these things help your bodystart to move into into a into a
peace response, right? Your yournervous system starts to
regulate, starts to slow down.
And when that happens, you'regoing to be confronted with two
things. You're going to beconfronted with all of the stuff
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that you've been running from,which is the I'm not good
enough, I've I've missed out onlife. People don't like me. I'm
a loser, I'm a failure. All ofthose limiting beliefs that
we've been running away from,they're going to come up, and
you're not going to like that.
It's going to feeluncomfortable. Some anger will
pop up, some sadness will comeup, some guilt, some shame. And
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when you sit through that, whenyou breathe through that,
there's going to be peace,there's going to be clarity, and
then you're going to get theseintuitive moments of like, call
Agi, ask him to be on hispodcast. Go book the ticket to
Dubai. Quit your job, buy thatbook, let go of that person, and
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it won't make sense in manycases, because your mind will
go, Yeah, but, yeah, but, butthe moment you follow it, you're
going to you're building trustin the heart. And you do this
day after day. Literally, thiscan be a daily practice, and
over the next course of months,you've built so much trust in
your heart that now you knowthis is a path for me that I can
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trust, and it's resulting in inbeneficial experiences in my
life. So why wouldn't I justkeep going down, walking down
that path?
Agi Keramidas (22:59):
Thank you, and I will only add to that when you
have this kind of inspiredthoughts or ideas or that come
up, or knowing that comes upmany times because it is and
again, I will speak from mypersonal experience because it
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is impractical to take action onthem straight away at where you
are, and because they can besubtle, they can be forgotten. I
was keeping a diary of thesekinds of thoughts so that I can
refer to those inspired ideasthat I had, so I'm just adding
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that as something that helped meto keep track of because there
can be a lot
Mario Lanzarotti (23:51):
that's a good One, that's a very practical
Agi Keramidas (23:55):
one. Mario
Unknown (23:58):
in
Agi Keramidas (24:00):
facing self doubt and expressing our self doubt to
others, and all these things wehave discussed so far, I want to
add in the mix the element ofself love, or as you said in
your talk to fill our cup, ourself love tongue, that's how you
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say it. So explain to us alsothe relevance of that, and
specifically with in terms ofself doubt.
Mario Lanzarotti (24:38):
Yeah, that's a great one. So the way that I got
to this is from what I sharedearlier, when I realised that if
I stop running from self doubt,and if I stop making it an
enemy, and if instead I sitdown, I take deep breaths, I
place a hand on my heart. And Iallow myself to actually feel
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what I haven't allowed myself tofeel. That very act is an act of
love. It's an act of lovetowards the self that I've been
running from because the selfthat's creating the thoughts
around I'm not good enough, Ican't do this. I'm not ready.
That's a part of myself thatI've been abandoning, that I've
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been rejecting, that I've beendenying. And it's so
interesting, once you do thiswork, you will understand, for
instance, a lot of people havehave a fear of putting
themselves out here, like doinga podcast, recording content,
doing a TEDx talk, because theywill say, What if people judge
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me? What if people reject me?
But I can guarantee you, it'severy time. It's not because of
some something that someone'sactually saying in their life.
It's because of of is areflection of how they are
relating to the part ofthemselves that's scared. That
part is saying, oh my god, oh mygod. What if people judge me?
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And what do they do? And theygo, you don't matter. Shut up. I
don't want to hear you. So theypush it away. So they go, work
harder, study more, learn more,achieve more. But if you
actually let that part come upand give it love in the way that
I showed and explained, thatpart is going to feel loved,
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that part will feelacknowledged, seen, listened to,
and in that way, you're meetingyour own needs, and that's how
you fill up the self love tank.
And this is different from whata lot you see in this, in the in
the popular culture, whereas thesense of like, just love
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yourself, you know, just just,you know, take a bubble bath and
do something that's good foryou, that that's nice. I'm not
saying that's bad thing, youknow, sure, but this goes way
deeper. This is about actuallyhealing the relationship that
you have with all of yourself,because everything that you're
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lacking on the outside is areflection of what you're
lacking on the inside. If you'relacking money, you are not
taking the actions to get themoney. Why you're not taking the
actions? Because there's someform of doubt or fear that you
have that is preventing you fromtaking that action. If you're if
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you don't have a greatrelationship, is because you're
either choosing the wrongpeople, or you are the wrong
person. You're not showing up asa kind, loving, courageous, warm
person, you're holding back, andthat's because of the
relationship you have withyourself. And so this kind of
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shift empowers you beyondmeasure, and it gives you back
the power that you've alwaysbeen looking for outside of
yourself, and then you realisethat it has always been within
you. And to me, that's the mostbeautiful thing, definitely.
Agi Keramidas (28:13):
And thank you for this way of explaining how it is
the word acceptance came to myself acceptance, you know,
especially of the parts of usthat we that are, let's say the
dark ones, or the ones that theyare not Showing Mario, there is
(28:39):
for someone listening right nowthat I have, I've had quite a
few conversations with people,and there seem to be all in a
similar situation with whichmeans external success. It's
actually you have experiencedthat as well, and so have I
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success without fulfilment orwith an element of disconnect,
or something lacking despite,you know, having ticked all the
boxes? So for someone listeningwho fits that criteria, what
would you tell them what's one,perhaps one courageous step they
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could take towards alignment,fulfilment, or anything else
that might be on the other sideof this?
Mario Lanzarotti (29:36):
Yeah, it's a great question. And what comes
up for me, there is a lack offulfilment I often see is a
reflection of a lack of beingtrue to yourself. Because people
are intelligent, we all have anatural intelligence. That's
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speaking to us at all times.
24/7, call it intuition, andthis is pretty much what I to
piggyback on earlier. This isthe voice of the heart, and it's
been speaking to you this wholetime, but you've been so busy
chasing goals, trying to makeit, trying to prove something to
the world or to yourself thatyou've been pushing away this
(30:22):
voice, and I would say the firstplace that you have to start if
you want to live a fulfilledlife, you have to become quiet,
and you have to slow down, andyou have to start listening more
than you're thinking. This isnot a figuring it out process,
and this is where most peoplestruggle, because they're so
especially successful people inthe material sense, they're so
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used to being in control oftheir lives, of figuring
everything out in their ownmeans that they're always
thinking. And this is not athinking process. This is a
listening where you might take apen and a journal and you ask a
question. You're like, Okay,what's what does a fulfilled
life look like, actually, to me?
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And then you don't think aboutthat, but you listen, you notice
what comes up. This is okay,that kind of relationship. I
want to live in this country. Iwant to work only one day a
week, and all these things startcoming up, and then you have a
list, like you said, you have alist of other things that you
can actually go through, and youcould apply this new say, What
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would fulfilment look like in myrelationships? And then my you
might get an answer that says,you know, it would look like
being true, being and speakingthe truth and actually making
peace with people and resolvingconflict and taking
responsibility, maybe, andsaying I forgive you, or saying
I am sorry, and you'll you'll bemet with a list of items, of
(31:53):
things that you can do and when,when that comes through. Now you
are moved back into a place ofalignment, and once you're in a
place of alignment, you thinkfrom a place of truth, and
that's when you can restructureyour life. That's when you can
restructure your business oryour career in a meaningful way.
(32:15):
But if you don't do that, youwill be creating the next
chapter from the persona thatcaused the chapter that's called
I'm not fulfilled, and you'rejust going to continue the same
process that leads you to thesame place you know. To conclude
with that one of my favouritequotes in the world by Albert
(32:37):
Einstein. He said you can fix aproblem with the same level of
thinking that created it, andthis is what most of us are
doing. We're trying to use thisone here, instead of stepping
into this one. What?
Agi Keramidas (32:54):
What is the best place for someone who has
listened to us and wants toexplore more and find out more
about you, Mario, where will youdirect them?
Mario Lanzarotti (33:06):
Yeah, thank you for that question. I would
say the best way is connect withme on LinkedIn. I'm very active
there, almost Monday, prettymuch Monday to Friday. Just find
me. Use my name, MarioLanzarote. And what I would say
is, I'd love to hear what didyou think about the podcast?
What did you learn? What wasyour biggest takeaway, and
(33:27):
maybe, is there something thatshifted for you just be by
listening to this podcast? Andyeah, that's that's really my
invitation. I'd love to hearfrom people.
Agi Keramidas (33:38):
Thank you, Mario.
I also have two quick questionsthat I always ask my guests. And
the first one is, what doespersonal development mean to
you?
Mario Lanzarotti (33:52):
Personal Development to me, means
mastery. It means learning tomaster the art of living in
alignment with who I am and withthe life that I am creating.
Agi Keramidas (34:16):
And hypothetically, if you could go
back in time and meet your 18year old self. What's one piece
of advice you would give him?
Mario Lanzarotti (34:27):
That's a tricky question, because if I
give him a piece of advice, itwould change the way he acts
Agi Keramidas (34:35):
only if he listens it.
Mario Lanzarotti (34:42):
Yeah, it would, it would alter the course
of my life, and it would changewhere I end up. And that would
probably mean that you and Iwouldn't have this conversation
today, and so I will stay, staywith my with my philosophy, and
I say, I wouldn't say anything.
I'd say, you know, keep going,bro, keep you're going to make.
Make a lot of mistakes, makethem, and maybe I would just say
thank you, thank you.
Agi Keramidas (35:07):
And I will also say thank you, Mario for this
captivating conversation. I wantto wish you all the very best
with your mission and making adifference. And I will leave it
to you for your parting wordsand any message for the listener
(35:31):
of this conversation,
Mario Lanzarotti (35:33):
thank you, Agi, really appreciate the
conversation with you and finalparting thoughts, Agi, listen to
your heart. It already speaks toyou. It's already revealing to
you what's right for you, andsurrendering to that voice,
(35:57):
giving into that voice, will bethe scariest thing that you're
going to do in your life, and itwill be the best thing that
you're going to do in your life.
Agi Keramidas (36:09):
Thank you for listening to this conversation
with Mario Lanzarote. I hope ithas given you a fresh
perspective on turning selfdoubt into a guide for courage,
fulfilment and self trust. Ifthis conversation inspired you
or gave you somethingmeaningful, consider supporting
the show. It's like buying me acoffee in return for the value
(36:31):
you received. Visit personaldevelopment mastery
podcast.com/support or just tapthe link in the episode
description. YouUntil next time, stand out don't
fit in.
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