107. Unlock Your Money Potential Using Human Design with Erin Claire Jones

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Erin Claire Jones (00:00):
So like I my experience is that when people

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live their design, things juststart to flow in their lives.
Yeah. You know? It's mostlybecause they're just like in
alignment with their gifts anddoing what they're here to do.
Right.
But also that like it will keepchanging. Yeah. You know? It's
like it will be amazing and thenlike you're gonna be drawing a
different thing and it'll keepevolving. So that's what I love
about human design is that likeit has led me in in such an
amazing direction but I alsofeel like my life's gonna keep
changing and my design just likeserves as an anchor to make sure

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I like keep moving in a way thatfeels really in alignment for
me.

Kate Northrup (00:28):
Welcome to Plenty. I have an amazing guest
for you today. Her name is ErinClare Jones, and I found her on
the Internet when she startedtagging me in her post. And I
was like, who is this woman?What's happening?
And she's an incredible humandesign expert. So if you have
been feeling stuckness in yourlife, frustration, feeling like
things are not in flow, today isyour day. We're gonna learn

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about human design, what thissystem is, and how it can unlock
ease, flow, and abundance foryou. Enjoy. Welcome to Plenty.
I'm your host, Kate Northrup,and together, we are going on a
journey to help you have anincredible relationship with
money, time, and energy, and tohave abundance on every possible

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level. Every week, we're gonnadive in with experts and
insights to help you unlock alife of plenty. Let's go fill
our cups. Please note that theopinions and perspectives of the
guests on the Plenty podcast arenot necessarily reflective of
the opinions and perspectives ofKate Northrup or anyone who

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works within the Kate Northrupbrand. Welcome to the show,
Erin.
Thank you. So wait. Is it Erin

Clare or Erin? Erin. Clare is my middle
name.

Okay. Great. Yeah. Just

checking. It's confusing for people.

It's so nice, though. Erin Clare Jones.

Yeah.

She's so beautiful. Yeah. So I I fully
support it. And I meant to askyou that before we started, but
now seems like a good time.Okay.
For people who just, like, haveno idea, what is human design?
Human design. Great question.

Human design is a system based on your time,
date, and place of birth thatreveals your energetic blueprint
and how you're uniquely wired tothrive, whether it's at work, in
relationships, in life, inparenting. It basically gives us
each our own kind of roadmap tofinding flow in our lives. And
it's so hyper personalized. Ilove that. You know?
It's just like there arehundreds of thousands and

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bajillions of configurations.

Okay. Yeah. Like sort of not maybe not infinite,
but Not infinite. But But morethan anyone could memorize.

Exactly. And also it's just not that kind of
system where you look at twodesigns, you're like, oh my god,
we're the same.

Yeah. Because it's impossible.

We share this, but like then there are so
many more nuances underneath it.

What's the difference between human design
and astrology, and what are thesome similarities?

So they're both amazing systems to kind of
understand yourself. Astrologyplays a role in human design. So
human design draws fromastrology, quantum physics,
Kabbalah, the chakra system, theI Ching, kind of all to give us
this blueprint. So they're veryinterwoven in that way. You
know, I think the simplestanswer is it it's actually a
little bit hard.
I think what drew me to humandesign is that it's incredibly

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practical. Like, it doesn't justgive us amazing information, but
it tells us how to actually useit to transform our lives. And I
imagine astrology does that too,but it totally depends on the
practitioner and how they shareit. That's

You know? Very true.

And, also, I think that human design, the
focus is very much like this isyour blueprint and this is how
you operate, and you can usethis throughout your life,
whereas astrology is that plus,like, also, is what's happening
on a daily basis. Yeah. Whichhuman design has some of, but
not to the degree astrologydoes.

Right. There's not, like, a progressed chart
where I can read my human designfor this year. Like, my human
design is what oh, there is.

Okay. But it's such a wild little world
there that I think like themagic of human design is very
much like what is your essentialblueprint? Okay. Because like
that's gonna be the thing youuse to navigate anything that
comes up. And so when you lookat kind of all these other
pieces in human design,sometimes you can be like, oh,
how can I try to become thatthing versus just like staying
really grounded in who you are?

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Does that make sense?

Really grounded in who you are. Yeah. Yeah. Like
using actually how you're meantto be to thrive as opposed to
thriving through trying to besomeone who you're

not. Exactly. Yeah.

So great. And so, okay, so it weaves in astrology,
Kabbalah, the I Ching, thechakra system. Any other kind of
like lineages that are in thereto shout out?

Those are the biggest ones. And if I'm
forgetting, apologies. We'llinclude them somewhere. Great.
But those are kind of the bigpieces that really kind of shape
the chart.
Where did it come from? Do youknow the origin story? No. Oh,
it's crazy.

I don't actually know much about human design.
I'm just

gonna ask you a

bunch of basic questions.

Please do. So the origin story is wild. And I
also just wanna say if there areskeptics listening, which I
really hope that there are, youknow, this what matters to me is
not whether human design istrue, it's whether it's useful.
Yeah. And so if you're totallynew, I would just listen through
that lens of, like, is thisactually useful?
Because the origin story iswild. So the founder is a man

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named Ra Uhuruhu. He's no longeralive. But basically in 1987, he
had a really mystical experiencewhere he was walking home one
night and heard a voice. And thevoice said it's time to work.
And for eight days and eightnights, he channeled the system,
meaning he just received allthis information. And then he
spent the next twenty yearsbuilding it out. And I think
what's so fascinating is thatRob was like an advertising

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executive from Montreal. Like,he was not I think this was not
the plan for him. And so he wasin some ways a very unexpected
recipient of the information.
But it's been really wild tokinda watch it grow because when
I first discovered human designalmost ten years ago, no one
knew what it was, and it was soon the fringe. And I think I
would say probably in the pastfive years, it's grown in

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popularity so much because thereare just, like, new people
talking about it in lessdogmatic ways that I think are
more accessible to a broaderaudience. So, this story is
wild.

You know? It's amazing. And what year was that?

That was 1987. So it's pretty recent.

It's pretty recent. Yeah. So I heard about
human design. I was in this sortof like spiritual mastermind y
kind of thing around 02/2006.Yeah.
And I heard about it throughthen, but I I never so yeah. But
I never really did anythingabout And then it really wasn't
until, like, the age ofInstagram that I you know, to be

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perfectly honest, I think Ibasically heard about it the
second time because you startedusing my quotes in your
supposed.

In my Sunday word supposed. And you're like,
what is she doing?

So then I sort of, like, dug back in. So thank
you

Oh my gosh.

For bringing me back. And also thank you for
using I'm it's like such anhonor to be able to, you know
Yeah. Help someone some somehow,some way. Totally. Okay.
And so what why was it so whydid you ten years ago like, a,
did you start your business tenyears ago, or b, how did you
find human design, and why doyou have you now devoted your

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career to this?

Yeah. It not the plan also. Yeah. So I did
start my first business tenyears ago. It's not the business
that I have now.
And and I'll share about that,but I I discovered it in a very
serendipitous way. I was livingin New York City, and I went to
a friend's gathering at thelower in the lower side and met
a stranger who asked to read myhuman design chart. And I think
I was just like, tell meeverything. Like, I wanna learn

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about myself. And he gave methis mini reading that was so
insightful and accurate andalso, like, really called me
out.
I felt like nobody had put wordsto me so clearly, but also he
called me out and that I was Iwas not living any of it. I was
like, what? Is there actually,like, another way to do things?
Because so much of my design isabout not being a doer and not

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chasing and not forcing.

Are you

a projector? I'm a projector. And I was,
like, in the entrepreneurialscene in New York, and I was
chasing and hustling and just,like, going so fast. So,
anyways, that conversation endedwith him saying, Aaron, I think
you're meant to do this, and Ithink we're meant to do it
together. Like, would you studywith me and build a business
with me?
So and I'm also my design's allabout being invited in. So it
was not an immediate thing. Iwasn't, like, on a Saturday

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night, yes, I'm in. Know, I'lldrop everything. But he started
to really show me kind of thethe potential of the system, and
I was just so blown away.
Like, I had never seen anythinglike it. And I had come from a
startup background, so I startedto see immediately, like, this
would be so useful in teams.Like, if people just understood
how they could work together.And so eventually I did say yes.

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And we built a business togetherfor two years that was focused
just on human design forbusiness.

Oh, okay.

And it was a little bit early for that. Mhmm.
But that was how it all started.

Wow. Yeah. What was the business you started
before that?

So that was the first one. So we started
That was the first one. And itwas wonderful, and it was also
hard because we just, like,couldn't find a way to make it
work because nobody knew whathuman design was. And so and
It's so

rough to be ahead of the curve.

It's it was so rough, and it was and
especially when we're like,let's be ahead of the curve and
also focus just on corporate.You know? It's just like Yeah.
Wasn't like a winningcombination.

The other side.

You know? I hadn't totally realized that
yet. Yeah. And so another joboffer came up while I was
building this, and I was like, Ihave to take it. Like, I have to
support myself.
And so I walked away, and it wasreally hard because it felt like
I was, like, walking away frommy dream. And then, like, three
months later, my husband waslike, you have to, like, just
try again. So I was still atthis company. I helped open this

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beautiful space in New YorkCity, but I started building my
own human design business on theside at the end of twenty
seventeen. And my the my boss atthe time was, like, the biggest
fan of human design.
So it was such a Well, that'scool. It was amazing. And I
think what was amazing just forthose who are listening who are
entrepreneurs, I feel likethere's so much pressure out
there to just, like, go off anddo your thing full time

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immediately. And for me, it wasso stressful to do that because,
like, we weren't making it work.And so, like, I was kinda
running on fumes those entirelike, those two years.
But to actually, like, have ajob and start to build a
business, like, I felt like mynervous system was, like, so
much more available for it, andit started working.

It's

great. You know? And it just grew. And,
like, I left that bit. I left myjob when I was making more from
human design than the job, and Iwas like, now's the time.
Yes. You know? So it was it wasreally amazing, but also I think
a lot of a big difference wasthat I wasn't focused on
business exclusively anymore.Yeah. I was focused on just
individuals.
It really the time was right.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

And I thank you for highlighting that piece
around you know, people arelike, burn all the, you know,
burn all the boats. Right? Thewhole, like, there's no plan b.
And I think that there areprobably some designs. Totally.
That would be super supported bythat. I actually am someone who
does great under that sort oflevel of pressure. I sort of

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thrive on it, which I'm workingon rewiring in myself. I but
we're not all designed for that,so I'm I'm really grateful that
you said that because there canbe so much self judgment around,
like, I'm wrong if I'm doing ajob and growing my business at
the same time, but it's sobeautiful and much more
relaxing. And like ElizabethGilbert is a beautiful example
of, you know, she kept herwaitressing job until, like,

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think I didn't know that.
Until eat I almost said Thinkand Grow Rich. Super. She did
not write that book until eatThat's Eat Right Love, like,
came out. I mean, like, I thinkshe was a New York Times
bestseller or something. I'mgetting the I'm getting the
details wrong.
But she kept her job for a verylong time.

Yeah.

Yeah. Beautiful choice.

Yeah.

Okay. So things took off in a way Yes. That it
felt great to then leave your,you know, leave your full time
job Yes. Go full time with yourbusiness. At what point did you
and your husband become businesspartners?
He was starting he was helpingOf

I don't even know that

that's your setup. That was a full
assumption.

Oh, no. It is our setup. Okay. It's not how we
lead. You know?
It's not like he's not in the inthe front of the company. You
know? I'm very much like thehuman design face of the
company. My husband does so muchof everything behind the scenes,
and honestly, he's a brilliantentrepreneur and visionary,
thank god for him. He it westarted early.
So he was the one who built memy first website. You know? He

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was like, this is the time. Ithink when it was clear the
business was really working,then he was like, let's just do
this. Let's, like, build it.
And so I think that was 2019when probably we were like

So, like, relatively recent.

Relatively recently. Considered. Totally.

So cool.

It was yeah. It's been it's been amazing and
also hard and all the things.Yeah. But as can be imagined
when, like, you're just doing alot of life together. Yeah.
But we just I think knowing ourhuman designs has actually been
extraordinarily useful becauseour designs are opposite of each
other in every single way. Andso that can be really hard if we
try to be the same and reallyamazing when we, like, realize

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that we're really different.

Okay. So for those who've never read a human
design chart or maybe are likeme and they know the general
types, and I know, like so Iknow the general types, and I
know my, like, numbers with theline between them. What's that
called?

That's the profile.

I know my profile. And that's it. That's
what I got.

Those are really important pieces. Yeah.

So can you say what are can you just, like,
explain what the elements of thechart are? Yeah. You know, high
level to the point that would beuseful for

folks to

get it.

Yeah. Can I use your chart as an example?
Yes. Please do. I'm just gonnapull it up because I feel like
sometimes it can feel like thisis a lot of weird language
you're giving me.
Okay. So in human design, thereare five types. That's the
highest level. Think of themlike sun signs and astrology. So
manifesting generators,generators, projectors,
reflectors, and manifestors.
And our type speaks to how wecan use our energy most

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effectively, but also how tocreate aligned opportunities in
our lives. So you're amanifesting generator, And,
basically, what that means highlevel is that you are meant to
be a multi passionate doer. Youare somebody that probably is
not meant to stick in one lanefor your life, and you need to
keep things fresh and new andexciting, and you're also very
fast. You can often find kind ofthe fastest way to make

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something happen and not reallyhere to handle all the steps
along the way. And then anotherpiece for you is that you're not
really designed to chase afteranything.
The right things are meant tokind of show up in your world
and light up your gut, andyou're meant to kind of trust
your gut to know where to gonext. Is that clear?

Yes. So there's a little bit of the it's not
waiting for an invitation like aprojector, but it is a
responding Correct. As opposedto initiating.

Exactly. Like for me in my design as a
projector, I'm waiting forsomebody to be like, Erin, you
would be amazing at this. Like,will you help me? Whereas you're
just, like, waiting to be lit upby anything that shows up in
your world, whether it'sdirected at you or not. Mhmm.
So it could be like a podcastepisode. It could be like a
client you see on Instagram. Itcould be anything. But you're
like, yes. That.
It could be it could be sounexpected, but I think the key

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thing is that it's meant to begut driven for you and not mind
driven. Yeah. It's not like,what is the next offering I
should create? It's like, oh mygod. Like, this thing just came
up and I must do it.

Yes. Okay.

K. Then there's a piece called authority
in human design, which is one ofmy favorite pieces because it
speaks to how we best makedecisions. And so your
authority, for example, it'scalled sacral, also known as
trust your gut. It means thatyou are somebody who's meant to
make decisions in the momentbased on your gut feeling.

And is that true for all manifesting generators?

No. Oh. So this is when it kind of starts
to branch out.

Got it.

There are you know, for me, for projectors,
there's five four to five. Butfor manifesting generators,
there are just two.

Okay.

So you could either trust your gut in the
moment or trust your gut overtime and need to sleep on
things.

Okay.

Projectors Mine

is in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. That feels accurate.

Projectors are five. Manifestors are three.
Reflectors are just one possibleone, and then generators are two
like you.

And it's, I know, like, generators and manifesting
generators are more common.Correct. And then the other
types are less common.

Exactly. So generators and manifesting
generators make up 70% of thepopulation collectively. Yeah.
Projectors, 20%, manifestors,nine, and reflectors, three.
Obviously, Mhmm.
I think Right. Not because

Not every human has been typed.

No. But one thing I would say is that
sometimes manifesting generatorsand generators can feel like
when they hear that they're themajority, it's like, am I, like,
not special? Am I not rare? AndI think one thing to remember
with both of these types is,like, these types, like, they,
like, bring, like, the lifeforce and the vitality and,
like, the doing energy that,like, makes life possible. You
know?
And so, like, of course, we'regonna need more of them. And,

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again, things will just kind ofkeep branching out as we go
down.

Okay. Great. So we've got our type, then we've
got our authority. Correct. K.

We've got our profile. Mhmm. So you're 35.
There are 12 possible profiles.Any type can have any profile.
Okay. Our profile honestlyspeaks of so many parts of our
lives, but let me just give youas an example. You're three
five. So it basically means thatyou're somebody who is very
naturally entrepreneurial.You're very much meant to learn
in a very hands on way by doing.

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You're meant to kinda fail, makemistakes, learn from them, keep
growing. So for you, like, theworst thing you could do is,
like, let me, like, try to getit all perfect and, like, not
put it out there. Like, you'regonna be like, I'm gonna put it
out there, make all themistakes, keep learning, and
just, like, keep making itbetter.

Yeah. You know? Thank you. I mean, so this is a
perfect example of why humandesign is helpful because I have
always been that way. Yeah.
But because I was raised in ourculture, which is fairly
perfectionistic, and then hyperhyper because I was raised in
New England in a highly academicfamily, there was like this real
feeling of like, god, I'm solazy. Totally. Like, what's

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wrong with me? I just like doshit and then figure it out
afterwards, and I'm like, maybeI'm lazy. And then when I first
read my profile description, youknow, basically my
interpretation was you're meantto, like, fail in public and
then teach the lesson.
And I was like, oh my god.That's literally my career.

Totally.

So it was so helpful. Yeah. And then I could
stop beating myself up. Yeah.And right now, we're in the
middle of a launch, and I'm dowe're doing some things
differently.

Yeah.

It it will absolutely go off beautifully,
and I know it won't be perfect,I'm like not going to wait until
a year from now when we do thenext time Yeah. To try a few new
strategies. I'm just like,alright. Let's give it a go.
Totally.

And it's like the only way to learn. You know?
And I also I think what youshared was so key where it's not
just about, like, experimentingin your own process, but, like,
sharing that with other people.Yeah. It's like sharing the
mistakes, the failures, thesuccesses.
Like, these are the things thatmake these people so magnetic
and so relatable. But it isreally hard when they're trying
to be perfect because it's theopposite of what they're meant
to do. Yeah. Okay. My husbandand daughter both have this, and

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it's just so useful to know.
Oh, that's interesting. Mydaughter's young, but I think
with my husband, it's like he'sbeen building things his whole
life. You know? And he's justlike failure is like his friend.
And I'm like, I get so nervous,and he's just like, whatever.
Let's learn. You know? I loveit. But, like, everybody comes
to him for wisdom because, like,he's just done it. He's tried
it.
He knows it. Like, these peopleare so amazing to learn from

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because they just tried it allthemselves.

And what's your pro I'm just curious.

I'm six two. So a couple pieces around that.
One is that I'm can be veryhermetic. Time and space alone
to be in my own flow is soimportant for most of us, but
especially for those with twos.And it also is so much around
leaning into the things thatcome very easily and naturally
to me.
Think when I think about all thejobs that I've been hired for,
somebody that's just like, Iwant you to be part of this. And

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I'm like, but why? And they'relike, I don't know. Like, just
there's something. And so I feellike so much of my career has
kind of gone off that way whereit's just like doing the things
that just feel easy andrealizing that, like, that's
often exactly what people want.
And then the sixth part of myprofile is the fact that I meant
to live my life in three phases,where the first thirty years is
meant to be like trial and errorgalore, and then thirty to fifty

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is kind of processing things andembodying things. And I'm
actually meant to hit my primewhen I turned 50, which is
something to really look forwardto.

That's amazing.

But it was interesting because I met my
previous business partner when Iwas 25. Mhmm. And he was like,
this is actually a really not agreat time to partner with you
because you're just, like, inthe most experimental time.
Mhmm. And it was true.
But, like, it was and he was 50.So he was like, I'm in my very
this is my moment. And so it wasfunny looking back because he
was totally right, but it washard for us to both admit that.

That's so interesting. Yeah. And how
relaxing to know that aboutyourself.

The most.

Right? Like, we just be spend I mean, I know I'm
making the same point twice, butwe just spend so much time
beating ourselves up Yeah. Fornot being Yeah. The way other
people are or for some, like,ridiculous cultural standard.
And I love that.

But that's also, I think, the magic of
human design Right. Is I thinkwe just so often make ourselves
wrong for either being who weare or, like, somebody else for
not being, oh, like us. Yeah.And I think human design just
reminds us that we're all sodifferent. We're all meant to
build businesses differently andparent differently and partner
differently.
And I think the more I haveunderstood the designs of my
family and my colleagues and myfriends, the closer we feel. You

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know, it's like there's so muchfriction. We are trying to be a
thing that we're not. Yeah. Andso human design returns us to
that.
And also human design, in myexperience, doesn't feel
unfamiliar to people.

No. It's like coming home.

Totally. You hear it. You're like, obviously.

Right. But it was never articulated that way.

And there was never a language for

One of the things I did for my when I ran a high
level mastermind is I would runeach one of the women's human
design charts. And so for mycoaching calls with them, it
would help I would just, like,review some of the highlights
Yeah. And how especially aroundtheir, like, we're gonna get
there in a minute, sign ofliving off their design.

Not self and signature. Yeah. What was it
called? Not self and signature.

Not self signature. Yeah. So that I could
remind them during the calls,and it was cool because

Wow.

The way I was doing it with one woman would
have been totally different thananother woman. And so often,
especially as entrepreneurs orjust in any coaching
environment, we're taking theadvice of the person who's
giving the advice based on theway they did it Exactly. As
opposed to based on the way ourdesign works. So I'm I'm so glad
you're bringing this. Okay.

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So we did profile.

We did profile. So and also the list is
endless, so you're just gonnatell me when to stop and move on
to another thing. Okay. So

Well, okay. So let's get so I wanna do these I
think these next few that you'regonna do are critical. Yes. And
then in terms of all thoseshapes

Yeah. We'll do that.

We can do like, especially I wanna focus on the
ones that are around, like,purpose, career, and money, even
though literally everything canapply to that. I am aware that
there's not, like, a straight upanswer.

Yes. Okay. Okay. Great. Okay.
So the one you just mentioned isnot self in signature, which I
love because it's super simple.So it comes from our type. And
it basically means that we allhave a signpost that reveals
when we're on track and alsosignpost that reveals when a
course correct is needed. It'soff track, but it also is like,
that's inevitable. It happensfor to all of us.
And so for you to be on track isto feel satisfied. You go to bed

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and you're like, I just feellike so fulfilled with how I
expended my energy today. And,like, you drop in a bed just,
like, delightfully spent, and tobe off track is frustrated. And
so frustration will show upinevitably in your life. But if
it shows up consistently, it'sreally a moment to kind of just
step back and ask yourself, canI show up to this thing
differently?
Mhmm. A kind of secondary onefor you is peace if you are on

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track and anger if you're offtrack.

That feels accurate. Yeah. Yep.

For me to be on track is success. I feel,
like, very appreciated andrecognized in my work, my
relationships, and to be offtrack is bitter. Yeah. Which is
like, I have so much to share,yet nobody's inviting me and
nobody's asking me. Yeah.

Okay. Is there any way for a projector, like,
if they're sitting around andwaiting to be invited? Is there
anything they can do to, like,up the invites?

What a great question.

A projector. So I

just How can I help her?

Wanna have her back.

Oh my god. I love that question because I
think there are so manymisunderstandings around human
design in general. I think thatI always remind people, like,
this is really meant to be avery empowering system and not a
disempowering one. So if youhear anything that feels like,
oh, like, just let it go. And,also, maybe dig in if you're
inspired because you might alsojust, like, be hearing from
somebody who is not, like, theright resource for you.

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Yes.

Right. Just like anything. Gonna have

people who teach

the same thing, quote unquote, who teach it
through their own filter that'sgonna resonate or not resonate.

Exactly. And so I will say that no type is
meant to kind of engage with ourstrategy in human design
passively, projectors included.Okay. And so projectors are here
to be invited into things. Thatbasically means that the right
opportunities are the ones wheresomebody's like, you would be
amazing at this.
I see your gifts. Like, come andshare them. And part of why that
is is that projectors are notnatural doers. And so they need

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for somebody to see that, like,they carry all these amazing
gifts beyond how much they canjust, like, hustle and do, and
that's why the invitation isrequired. There's so much that
we can do.
I think that my business reallystarted growing when I made it
my job to make myself visible.So pitching people never really
worked for me, but I juststarted sharing. I started
sharing on podcasts and innewsletters and on Instagram,

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and I just, like, let the rightpeople resonate. Right. And even
now, like, I'll reach out topeople sometimes, but very much
it's like, hey.
I exist.

You know?

I'm, like, giving you a thing to respond
to.

Being visible, being available Yes. But not
yeah. You're not, like, doing,like, a big PR campaign.

Yeah. And it's and also part of why that
is is that as projectors, like,energy can be a little bit
intense. Our gift and I don'tknow about your sister, but,
like, we're really good at,like, seeing people very deeply
and clearly. If people are notready for that, it will feel
like too much. Perfect.
And so, like, I see theinvitation more than anything
else as a tool to protect myenergy and just make sure I'm
sharing it with the brightpeople. Yeah. And, honestly, so

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much of my life has transformed,like, of course, business wise,
but, like, friendships and theway that I engage with my
family. Because, like, it'slike, I don't need to, like, try
to be seen here. Like, it'sgonna happen or not.
And, like, I'm not gonna forceit.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. So great.

Okay. Should we talk about a few other
pieces? Well, one piece that Ifeel like is particularly fun to
talk about with you because Iforgot about this about you.
There's a piece of our designcalled channels. And channels at
the simplest level just reveal,like, our innate strengths.
You don't have to do anythingabout them. They just emerge
when you're living in alignment.So to me, three of your channels

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feel so relevant to the workthat you do, which is just a
signal that you're in alignment.It's not like go do it more.
It's like you're doing it.
You have the money channel,obviously. What is that like a
number? It's called the twentyone forty five. I call it the
management channel, but it'salso called the money channel.

Twenty one forty five money or management.

Money or management. Got it. It's not
like, oh my god. You're here tomake all the money. It's more
around the fact that, like, youare somebody who thrives when
you are autonomous and incontrol and your own boss, and
you're not designed to work foranyone else.

Mhmm.

And, also, like, you have this very
empowering energy where you canreally help others know what
they're worth and ask for whatthey're worth and, like, help
them believe in themselves. Youknow? So it's this very kind of,
like you're like, I, like, knowhow to take care of myself, but
I really know how to help othersYeah. Do the same for them.
Cool.
Makes sense?

Makes total sense.

And then another channel you have is the
twenty seven fifty, which is thechannel of nurturing. And so
you're kind of doing all this,like, intense empowerment while,
like, having the most kind of,like, nurturing caretaking
energy where people can just,really trust you to hold them.
But I think a big lesson for youis that because you're such a
natural you're so good at beingresponsible for things that you

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can do so to kind of your owndetriment and in a way that
sacrifices your own well-being.So it's how to just like take
really good care of yourself andthen of course care for others
like from that excess and alsonot try to be responsible for
things you cannot be responsiblefor.

Right. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yep. And then the last one is you have the
channel, 2,551. I call thechannel of competitiveness, but
it's also initiation. Itbasically means that you're
like, have this kind of likeshocking energy some way in some
ways where you're here to kindalike shock people out of like an
old way of doing things and arelike a much new and better way
of doing things. So it's thisvery transformative, exciting
energy, but people likeprojectors have to be really

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ready for it.

And that number is what?

2551.

20 5 50 1. Okay. That's so interesting and feels
true. Like, we I mean, I knowthat you just have it on your
phone, but, like, wait. Can youjust point on diagram to where
that is?
Like, what And knowing thatpeople who are on audio won't
know what's going on, it's justgonna take a minute.

Okay. So this is your chart.

Uh-huh. What I'm looking at is the fully colored
lines. The fully colored lines.Okay. Great.

So we didn't even go through all of them,
but, like, those three that Imentioned are the ones that
Those

are ones that you have.

Yes. A fully colored

line, you just always have. It's, like, locked
and loaded. It's your freespace. You don't have to try.
You don't

have to try.

And then are there parts of the chart that
are opportunities for growth?Absolutely. So So what would be
a couple of those?

So those are areas called our open centers,
which are the white shapes inyour design.

White shapes.

And they're basically the areas where you
are the most sensitive andreceptive to other people's
influence and can get the mosttaken off track Okay. But have
the biggest lessons to learn andhonestly the most to teach.
Okay. So do wanna hear one ofyours?

I do.

You probably won't hear all, but we'll go
through one.

Great. You can can read

On the episode.

I can read them in my blueprint later.

So you have an undefined or an open
emotional center, which meansyou're incredibly sensitive to
other people's emotions. What agift. Also, can be very
overwhelming. Yeah. Totally.
Because, like and when I sayyou're sensitive, like you can
take them on and like they canbecome your own in some ways,
and it can feel like you need tofix them or solve them or be
responsible for them. And Idon't know your daughter's

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designs, but they could have adesign where they're just like
pouring out their emotions ontoyou and you're like, I feel it
all, like how to navigate itall. And so I think a big lesson
for you is around emotionalboundaries and knowing how to
like really be a mirror forpeople and offer them wisdom
around what they're feelingbecause you have so much of it,
but to not be responsible for itin a way that isn't healthy. And
to give you an example of this,my partner has a design like

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yours. He's super sensitive toeveryone's emotions.
I, on the other hand, pour myemotions out into the world. And
so when I'm feeling like in alow or a high, like he just
feels it very deeply. And in anold version of a relationship,
he would feel like they need tobe in it with me when all I
needed to do was just feel thething. Like, I was gonna move
through it and trying to explainit was not helpful. Mhmm.
And so he's really learned to belike, I love you. Do your thing.

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Be in your emotional low, andlike, I will be awaiting you on
the other side. Yeah. So it'sbeen really helpful for us to
both navigate that because,like, my low doesn't have to be
his.
Yeah. Yeah.

What a gift to know about.

Yeah. Totally.

We haven't had that particular dynamic, but,
like Yeah. I can really go on aroller coaster around wanting to
transform some area of our lifeor perhaps an emotional one. And
Yeah. And so even though thisis, like, possibly not my
design, and I know that if youread me and Mike's charts, you'd
have whole insight on this. But,where it's like he's needed to

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learn to just, like, be thissteady while I go on the
emotional roller coaster, andthat might be a masculine
feminine dynamic.
Sounds like that could also behappening there. For

sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Amazing. And then what if, like,
Mike and I are both manifestinggenerators. Cool.
Which I know there's, like,8,000,000 different parts of the
chart. Yeah. But do you havejust, a tip for if, you know,
for if two people are the samekind of type, especially because
we parent together, we run ourcompany together, and we're
married?

So it's really wonderful to share a type
because it just creates a levelof resonance where you can just,
like, really get each other andalso hopefully encourage each
other to really kind of dowhat's in alignment. I would say
as two manifesting generators,you guys are both, like, really
here to be, like, lit up by somany things, but they might be
really different things. And soI would just really encourage
you both to, like, just makespace to kind of do your

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individual things because themore individually lit up you
are, like, the more enthusiasmand excitement you'll bring into
your home and your daughterswill feel it. I would also say,
and I don't know what thedynamic is, but because you guys
can both be quite fast accordingto your design and there can be
some nuances, like having peoplearound you to just, like, handle
the details and steps so youguys can kind of move fast and
be creative and speedy isprobably ideal. K.

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I would also say because youguys both are so capable, I
would just be really aware ofwhere you are expecting others
to move as fast or do as much asboth of you because most people
are not meant to. Noted.

Yeah. Yes. That is an ongoing frustration in my
life.

It's a big one for manifesting generalities
in general. I would sayparticularly for you.

I'm, like, three miles down the road, I'm like
Yeah. Hello? Hello? Is anyonecoming with me? Totally.
So what should I do about that?

Well, I mean, you've honestly got all the
parts of your design that wouldpoint to that in in multiple
areas. One is a manifestinggenerator. Like, people cannot
move as fast as you that aren'tmeant to. That, like, speed is
your gift. You also havesomething called the defined ego
in human design.
It means that, like, you've gota tremendous will to, like, do
what you want. When your heart'sin it, like, nobody can stop you

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and, like, you will make ithappen. Thirty percent of people
have that. Most people don'thave that, like, consistent
powerful sense of willpower. Ifind that these people are often
disappointed in others'performance mostly because
they're just not doing it likeyou.
And so I would say the dance foryou is like, how can you hold
really high standards forpeople, but also not be
unrealistic in your expectationsand just be generous of, like,

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they might not do it just likeme, but, like, they might do it
in way that really works forthem and ultimately gets the
thing done. Yeah. And then alsoyou have another part of your
design with that money channelthat it can be really hard to
delegate because it could belike, I'm just gonna do it
better, so I'll just do it. Butthat obviously is not
sustainable for you. So theanswer is not a simple one
because it's not that you'regonna like, everyone will meet
you at that level, but it's moretaking the time to pick, what do

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they do differently, and how canI, like, create space for that?

Totally. Okay. So I wanna ask you about I know
there's, like, different schoolsof thought around the in human
design and the conversationaround manifesting.

Yeah.

What's your take on it?

Yeah. So well, now I need to look at your
design. One moment. So my takeon it is that, like, I'm very I
think the more I have studiedand gotten into human design,
the less dogmatic I've becomeabout it. I don't think it's
really helpful to be like, thisis the way.
Basically, what has happened isthat there's this idea that some

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people are very specificmanifestors, meaning they are
meant to have, like, a veryspecific vision, very detailed
vision around what they wannacreate, whereas others like you
and like me are meant to benonspecific. And the idea is
that it's connecting to kind ofthe broader vision and feeling
rather than the specifics. Ithink what's important to know
is this concept did not comefrom the founder of human
design. And while I think it'suseful, it also is, like, one

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part of, like, a much biggerthing. So sometimes we kind of
overlook a lot of the otherparts of the chart when we talk
about it.
But I my experience is that it'sreally useful for people. Great.
I think for me, and I don't knowabout your experience, is that,
like, I really am not good atlike getting into the details of
what I want. I know exactly howit will feel.

No. When people ask me what I want or what my
vision is, I get reallyirritated. Totally. I don't know
why I just really don't likethat question.

I know. And like life is never like, I feel
like I, like, have the bigvision, like, it just unfolds in
way more magical ways than Icould have imagined.

Free time. It's better than what I would have
written down. Totally.

So it's so I think it's really useful. And,
honestly, the part of the chartthat it speaks to, and just for
those that are listening, if youlook at your chart, you'll see
that there are four arrows aboveyour chart. The bottom right
arrow, what you wanna look at,this one is whether it's facing
right or left. If it's facingright, you're nonspecific.
Bottom right?
Bottom right arrow.

K.

Facing right, nonspecific, facing left
specific.

Okay.

And why that is is that arrow speaks to kind
of how we view the world,whereas the people that have it
facing left, the more specificpeople zoom into things in a
much more natural way. They,like, love to look at all the
details. Whereas when it'sfacing right, like for you and
me, we zoom out, and we just,like, see the big picture. We
kinda see all the, like, subtlenuances. So that's where it
comes from.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's great. I love that.
So if someone is really wantingto lean into their design around
resources, around money, aroundcareer, what are some of the
just, like, the few areas thatthey might double down and look
at in

their chart? It's a great question. So I
think what I would look at firstis probably your type. Yeah.
Because, like, how you use yourenergy on a

daily basis is gonna make opportunities. I
mean, that's the whole thing.The whole thing. The whole but
it's a real good start.

It's a real good start. Like, say you're a
generator, and, like, as agenerator, you're really here to
be, like, lit up by what you'redoing and prioritize your own
joy, your own satisfaction. Soif you're building a career
where you're, like, sofrustrated and so not lit up,
like, it's gonna be so hard tomagnetize any aligned
opportunities your way. So maybehaving a morning, a weekend, at
nights where you can kind ofstart to do a thing that brings
you satisfaction can make areally big difference. So type

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makes a big difference.
Strategy, which is part of type,which is how you create
opportunities. So like, youknow, for you, it's like, okay,
you're here to like let thingscome to you. So just being like,
let me go out in the world andsee what sparks me. Mhmm. Like,
is there somebody and, like, letme just follow that spark when I
feel it.
Or you might be a manifestor andyou're here to initiate and
chase after things. So it'slike, let me just see what

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arises and go do that. So Ithink those are two really,
really important pieces. I wouldsay another piece is around the
profile because it speaks ourprofile speaks so much to our
purpose. You know?
Like for you, again, you're hereto, like, experiment and be
entrepreneurial and, like, kindof learn in more hands on way
and also really here to impact,a really big audience and, like,
share a very practical groundedsolutions to problems. So I

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think when we look at ourprofile, we can actually get a
little bit more clarity on wherewe wanna go. Like, if I was
talking to you in a session andyou had no idea where to go, I
with a five in your profile, Iwould say, like, what is the
problem that you wanna solve?Like, what is a thing that you
have, like, a very innovativenew solution for? Like, where do
you wanna put your energy?
If I was talking to me with atwo in my profile, I would say,
what do you do in your sparetime? Like, what comes so easily

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to you that, like, you don'teven notice it? And And if you
don't know, like, go talk tofriends. Like, what do they see
in you? Yeah.
So I think that can, like, helpus connect to those kind of
innate gifts. And there are somany pieces that can speak to it
in our design, but I think,like, profile and type are so
fundamental in that way becauseoften we're just not living in
alignment with those pieces.

Yeah. Yeah. Would you say that when people are
living in alignment with theirdesign, it gets easier to have
financial success?

I think so. I think absolutely. Like, I think
that there's it's funny becausein human design, there are so
many, like, intricate levelswhere it's like there are, like,
money gates and areas thatyou're meant to profit. And,
like, I think those things areuseful. And, also, like, if
you're not living the basics ofyour design, it's, like,
impossible to make anythinghappen.
So my experience is that whenpeople are living in alignment,
like creating opportunities in away that feels really inflow for

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them, using their energy in away that feels satisfying, like
money starts to come. Yeah. Youknow? And it's not like maybe
it's not like the most money inthe world because maybe that
would have been unsustainable.Who knows?
You know? But it's more like Ithink that things become really
sustainable and things becomevery successful in people's
lives, but they feel reallygood. Mhmm. And like I can't say
and I'm sure you've had thisexperience. I've had so many

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clients that have been verysuccessful by so many
conventional terms, theirexperience of creating that
success was miserable.

The worst.

And so I think human design helps us
know, like, how do you actuallycreate success in a way that
actually just, like, feels sogood. For sure. And there

are so many times where choosing the feeling over
just the number is going to befor sure

And I feel like you're best choice. Like I
feel like you said you made abig shift in your business.

I did. Yeah. We did. Yeah. It was great.
Yeah. We and we chose it notfrom a financial perspective. We
we said goodbye to 7 figures ofrevenue. Yeah. And we were just
like, okay.

I know.

See what happens. And then, yeah, we had our
biggest year ever. Yeah. But wedidn't do it to have our biggest
year ever because there was noplan for that.

You did it because it felt right.

We did it because it felt right.

Yeah. So, like, I my experience is that
when people live their design,like, things just start to flow
in their lives. Yeah. You know?It's mostly because they're
just, like, in alignment withtheir gifts and doing what
they're here to do.
Right. But also that, like, itwill keep changing. Yeah. You
know? It's like, it will beamazing.
And then like, you're gonna bedrawn to a different thing and
then it will keep evolving. Andso that's what I love about
human design is that, like, ithas led me in in such an amazing
direction, but I also know that,like, my life's gonna keep

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changing and my design just likeserves as an anchor to make sure
I keep moving in a way thatfeels really in alignment for
me.

Right. Because your design is like a way to
operate regardless of theexternal circumstances, but of
course, operating in that wayshifts the external
circumstances.

Exactly. It's like this is your operating
system. Right. And, like, themore you flow with it, the
better life will be. And themore you resist it, like, things
are just gonna probably beharder.
Doesn't mean you can'taccomplish and do things. You
can do whatever you want. Right.But it just might be, like, a
lot more pushing.

With as much detail as you care to share
Yeah. In a couple of minutesYeah. But I'm just curious,
like, what are the gates?

The gates. Yes.

Because I just hear about them. I don't know
what they are.

Totally. Just curious. So okay. So we talked
about your channels. Rememberthe strengths?
Yes. Those are made up of twogates.

Oh. They have one on either end?

Correct. So there are 64 gates in a human
design chart. We all have 26activated in our chart. Some of
those make up channels. So someof those make up, like,
consistent strengths that wecarry in our lives, whereas
others are just, like, kindahang in there.
And they're a quality that wecarry, but we're kind of looking
for somebody else to kind ofbring that other part. Okay. And
so the way that I like to thinkof Gates is, like, it's a really

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beautiful place to look at whenyou look at a partnership. Mhmm.
To look at, like, what are youguys creating with each other?
Like, what is the support youcan find in other people? Do you
wanna hear about one of yours asan example? It's not consistent
energy within people, so that'swhy I often think it's not
always like the first

Number one. Place to go. Yeah.

Like, for example, one of your gates I'll
share about two of yours. One ofyour gates is Gate 58, the Gate
Of Zest And Vitality. Itbasically means, like, you've
got such drive to just, like,improve things and, like, make
things better and transformthings, but you might not always
know in the moment exactly whereto put that energy. And

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sometimes being around the rightpeople will just bring it out of
you, and you're like, oh, I knowexactly where to put it. Okay.
Does that make sense? Yeah.Totally. And then another gate
that you have is like you arejust you have the gate of ideas.
It basically means that you haveway more ideas than you will
ever know what to do with.
If you try to make them allhappen, it's gonna be hard. Yes.
Idea machine. You know? Andthen, like

It's also gonna be hard on my marriage.

Correct. And so, like, when you're around the
right people my husband has thistoo. It's often like he has an
idea. Everyone's like, youshould build it. He's like,
somebody totally can.

Absolutely. Right. Like, because we're not
doing that.

I cannot build them all. You know? So
it's just good for you to knowthat, like, you have so many
ideas, and, like, they'll comeout around the right people, but
also you can't build them all.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Yeah.
Parenting. So I actually haven'treally fully run my girls
charts. Yeah. Certainly notrecently.

I'm not

sure I've done I've done my second daughter's,
but, my first is a manifestor.So yeah. And my mom's a
manifestor.

Mine too.

Oh, cool. Yeah. So, just any, like, tips for I
mean, I know you'd need to know,like, a lot more of her

chart, but, like,

tips for supporting a manifestor as her
mother.

I love that. My mom is a manifestor, so is my
sister. So I grew up in a familyof 50% manifestors.

Our little one is a manifesting generator. But,
anyway Okay. I'll I'll go look.

Okay. So, manifestors, I know we haven't
really talked about them much.They are very powerful,
impactful, provocative forces.And even from a young age, they
often wanna kinda lead thecharge Yes. And do their own
thing.
And so, obviously, as a parent,there's gonna be some boundaries
there where you can't just, gobe free, do your thing. But I
would say wherever you can giveher freedom, they kind of like

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set the terms. Great. You know?It could be like, okay.
We have one day where you callthe shots. We'll do whatever you
wanna do. Like, we are followingyour lead. So I think ways that
you can kind of support thatnatural leadership from an early
age. I think with manifestors,communication is so important.
Often they just like wanna gooff and do their own thing and
might not let anybody know andit can feel hard. So any way to
just like create a cycle whereyou're like, I'm gonna keep you

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in

the loop, you keep me in

the loop, we're just gonna keep each other
informed is really, really good.And also like manifestors, like
you can't really tell them whatto do, which of course you're
gonna have to, to some degree asa parent, but like, you know,
they're like, why can't I dothis? Like, let them know why,
explain to them, like justrespect them in that way. Like,
I think that they just be like,no. You can't because, like,
it's just not gonna work forthem and, honestly, probably not

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for most of us.

Well, it's interesting because when when
our older girl asks me thosequestions, which she pretty much
always has when I'm given aboundary, it's actually been
great because sometimes I I amaware that I don't have a good
answer. Yeah. And so it's helpedme deconstruct some internal
programming Yeah. And realizethat actually the answer is yes.
And I was just saying nobecause, like, that's what my

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parents said.
Totally. And it's like, why?Why? And so she's been, you
know, helping me too.

I love that. And, like, manifestors are very
provocative. Like, they're hereto, like, provoke and change
things and inspire, like, peopleto do things differently. So,
like, that's such a greatexample. I think one other piece
I would share is that you andMike both have, like, all this
powerful, creative, consistentenergy.
Manifestors energy really ebbsand flows. They can have, like,
weeks or days or hours wherethey're, like, on fire and so

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inspired and then, like, weeksor days or hours where they're,
like, really wanna be alone andjust like away from other
people's energy. So I would justalso give her a lot of space to
be alone and like whenever sheneeds it, you know, and not bust
into her room without asking.Great.

Yeah. Yeah. That sounds good.

Does that do you see those things in her?

I do. I totally do. Yeah. Now I'm excited to
dive into both of their charts.

It's so fun.

What art is like a favorite or maybe a few
favorite stories from clientsthat you had where they came I
mean, you told your own story,which was really great. But
where they came in, learnedtheir design, made a shift, and
had a beautiful transformationin an area of their life.

Could it

be their health, their marriage, parenting,
career.

Totally. I think one that comes to mind is
a client of mine from a fewyears ago, and I remember her
coming to me. She was amanifesting generator like you,
and she was like, Erin, like, Ihave been, like, wanting this
dream job for years. I've, like,been chasing after with my whole
heart. And, like, now that I'mhere, I hate it.
And it just became so clear inour conversation that, like, she
had just, like, created thething that she thought she

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should want Yeah. But it was notat all driven by her gut. And
she was so lucky where she couldquit the job. She literally
quit, I think, the day after oursession. Amazing.
I mean, she was very much like,okay. Let's try something new.
And I was like, just, like, seewhat you respond to. See what
sparks you. Like, don't forceit.
And a few year not a few years.A few weeks later, she met a
friend and, like, he mentionedthis role at a health care

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startup and, like, her wholebody lit up, and it was so not
what she thought she wanted todo, but, like, it just felt like
the right thing. And so it wasso fun. I watched her go build
an amazing team there. I workedfor that whole team, and then,
like, then she became anexecutive coach.
And so I think it was just socool to watch her career unfold
in a different way when shestopped forcing it.

Yeah.

I think that I have, like, so many countless
stories of families andpartners. I just can't even tell
you that I'll how often I'll sitdown with romantic and business
partners, romantic or businesspartners, where they're having
so much friction, not because,like, anything's wrong, but just
because they don't get eachother. Yeah. Like, I remember
sitting down with two where oneof them was meant to make
decisions very fast in themoment, super spontaneous. The

(47:04):
other one was meant to be veryslow.
And she was so frustrated withhim. She was like, he's just so
slow and, like, he changes hismind all the time. And I'm like,
because he's not meant to bequick. And, of course, he's
gonna keep flip flopping if,like, you're asking for an
answer immediately. Yeah.
You know? Like, if you just,like, give him space and time,
like, that's gonna be the bestthing for your collective
decisions. So I think, like,those moments have been so
powerful because they just like,the minute they understand each

(47:26):
other, they just, like, have somuch more compassion. Another
one that comes what?

Keep I've keep going. This is great.

I'm also writing my book right now, so
I'm like, I've got so manystories. Alive. I think another
one that comes to mind is andwe're sitting with this
generator client, and generatorsare very, like, masterful and
committed and dedicated. And hewas like, Erin, I'm, like,
really frustrated with mydaughter. Like, she is playing
lacrosse, softball softball,soccer, like, literally all the

(47:54):
sports.
He's like, she is not choosingone. Like, I chose one, and I
stuck with it my entire, like,high school career. And I was
like, can I take a look at herchart? Yeah. She was obviously a
manifesting generator.
And I was like, she's doing itjust right. You know? Like,
you're getting so frustrated notbecause she's doing anything
wrong or because she's flaky,but, like, she's meant to try it
all. And, like, your job is tojust, like, support that even

(48:14):
though that's not the way thatyou operate. And so it's just,
like, such a consistent theme inthese

So good.

Sessions is just, like, people just are
like, oh, like, this is my wayand this is their way. And,
like, it's okay that it'sdifferent.

Yeah. I mean, it's really just like the
ultimate celebration ofdiversity Yes. Yes. Which does
make all of our relationshipsstronger. Yes.
So but it's like, we I mean, wealways are gonna see the world
through the lens of ourselves.Absolutely. And that's such a
limitation. Right? And so reallybeing able to have this

(48:48):
practical tool.
I mean, like, tonight, I'm goingto go get Mike's I'm going to
get the girls. I'm so excited tojust be able to utilize that
more easily to seems like it'sgoing to ease any any, but many
points of frustration andfriction that aren't necessary.

Totally. And, like and I remember even looking
at my family that I grew up withand just be like, oh, obviously,
is why it was so hard. Right.You know? And so, like, it just
again, it just brings so muchunderstanding where it's like,
now I, like, know how to supportyou because people just need
really, really different things,and human design reminds us what
those things are.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So now that we really get
how useful this could be, I'msure folks are wondering, like,
okay.
How do I get my chart done? Howdo I learn about my thing? You
know, they've just heard youshare about mine. I'm sure they
want to know about theirs.

Yeah.

So I know that you have this incredible
blueprint Yes. And we'vecustomized version for our
people. Yes. So will you tellfolks at first where they can
run their or how they can runtheir chart Yeah. And then,
like, a little bit about whatthe blueprint is, and I'll tell
them what I added in.

Of course. Okay. So you can run your chart
at KateNorthrop.com/HD.

Yes.

Okay.

Correct.

I was like, did I get it right?

We'll put the link in the show notes. And, you
know, if you're on Instagram, ifyou wanna just DM me the word
design Yeah. We'll also get ithooked up there. Perfect. So DM
me the word design, and

you'll get that done. And you can look up
your chart for free. You candownload a free personalized
summary on that site. If you'relike, okay. I actually wanna,
like, learn all the things.
Tell me everything, whether it'sfor you or your kids or your
partner or your colleagues. Theblueprint is basically a 55 plus
page hyper personalized guideall about your unique design.
Just so you guys know how hyperpersonalized, there are hundreds

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of thousands of possibleversions of the blueprint. And
my favorite part about it, whywe created it, is that it's this
very, like, practicalexploration of, like, how you're
meant to operate in every areaof your life. We go it goes
through everything we talkedabout today.
Your channels, your centers,your, like, decision making, how
you use your energy, and ittalks about, like, how are what
are suggestions that you can,like, actually use this in your

(50:59):
life? What are ways that you canreally reflect on So think of it
as, like, your own operatingmanual to you. Often people will
print them out and, like, printout their family's blueprints
and put them on the bedsidetable.

I'm a % doing that. I know. Get them bound and
eliminated.

Exactly. It's just like it's just like it's a
book all about you, and I thinkI mean, I love having that.
Yeah. And I think especially inthose moments like you're saying
of, like, resistance orchallenge or things aren't
flowing to go back and be like,oh, of course, it's not flowing
because, like, I'm trying to bea thing that I'm not.

Yeah. Or I'm trying to get somebody else to
be a thing that I am thatthey're not.

Which is so often the case.

Like, with our children, with our spouses, with
people we work with, with ourmother. Totally. You know,
whatever. Whatever it

may Totally.

Okay. And I just wanna say with the blueprint,
what I love about it is thesections are very user friendly,
so sometimes people I think canshy away from systems because
they're very technical,

and

the way you've done the blueprint is very
personalized, but it's not likeI have to know how to read a
human design chart

At all.

In order to utilize my blueprint, and I
think that's really important.Because even as somebody like

That's true.

Just with the analogy of astrology, I'm like,
I actually know a lot aboutastrology, and I can read
people's charts. But even whenI'm reading stuff and people are
jargony, I'd, like, leave mybody, and I can no longer follow
along. And so I just wanna makesure people know that it's not
that.

It's not, like, here to teach you all the
intricacies of the chart. It'shere to teach you how to, like,
use your unique human design tolive your best life in every
area. Exactly. And so it's justlike, again, people, like, use
it for years.

Yes.

So and we have a very special one that
we've created together.

You do. Yeah. So this one is specifically I put
in some of those key piecesaround how you can use your
design for prosperity.

Yeah.

And there's a beautiful intro letter, and it's
branded, and so it looks likeour stuff, and it's just really
beautiful. So you can get thatat KateNorthrup.com/hd. You can
just run your design for forfree, or you can go and actually
get your blueprint, which isrobust and beautiful. Thank you
so much for being here. This hasbeen really fun.

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I've learned a lot. I'm excited,obviously.

The man amusing dinner to out their bed.

Yeah. Oh my god. I am just like a little match
ready to be ready to be lit.Yeah. So where can people follow
along and learn more about whatyou do?

So on Instagram, I'm at Erin Clare
Jones in human design blueprint,and you'll see when you go to
that page also, you caneverything's there.

Great.

Yeah. The blueprint's the key piece.

Erin Clare Jones. Yeah. And we'll put that in the
show notes.

Perfect.

Thank you for being here. This was great.

Thank you for having me.

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