November 18, 2025 • 60 mins
What if your business was a temple?
In this week’s episode, Kate talks with Asha Ramakrishna—priestess, molecular biologist, and author—about Sacred Commerce: an emergent framework bridging capitalism and consciousness. Asha reveals the four ethos of sacred commerce—Feel Good, Be Wealthy, Give Back, and Liberate—and shares how merging the magical and the logical allows us to heal our relationship with money and purpose.
They explore Blue Lotus as a sacred symbol of rebirth, Lakshmi energy, human design as a business map, and how knowing your dharma type can guide your offerings and marketing in an energetically aligned way.
In this episode you’ll discover:
✨ The four ethos of Sacred Commerce
✨ Why pleasure is essential to prosperity
✨ How wealth, dharma, and liberation interconnect
✨ Using astrology and human design to decode your “soul map”
✨ Blue Lotus, Lakshmi, and ceremony as allies in business
✨ Why your conscious sun holds your key to expression
“Sacred commerce is about merging the magical and the logical—heaven and earth, sun and moon—so that business becomes a bridge to liberation.” — Asha Ramakrishna
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00:00 Kate opens with the magic of Asha’s arrival and the portal of Blue Lotus
03:10 What is Sacred Commerce? A bridge between capitalism and consciousness
07:42 The four ethos: Feel Good, Be Wealthy, Give Back, Liberate
14:10 Blue Lotus, Lakshmi, and the sacredness of abundance
20:30 How to redefine wealth and permission to prosper
26:15 Giving back through widening your energy sources
33:20 Bridging spirituality and capitalism with ceremony and offering
38:40 Vedic astrology and human design as business maps
46:00 The conscious sun and incarnation cross: finding your instructions
54:00 How stories and oral tradition unlock transformation
59:00 Discovering your dharma type and archetype for sacred work
1:03:00 Where to learn more and connect with Asha
Links and Resources:
The Priestess Code: Awakening the Modern Woman by Asha Ramakrishna
Your Soul Map: Liberation, Human Design, and the BIPOC Experience by Asha Ramakrishna & AC Brown
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Asha RamaKrishna (00:00):
And part of this moving, bridging from
capitalism is merging themagical and the logical, merging
the sun and the lunar.Everything in your chart is
intended to support the fullexpression of your conscious
sun, and we come back to the sunagain. Right? Not only
biologically connect to it,connect to the sunrise and the
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sunset, but also you have a veryunique expression of what you're
here to fully express and shineabout.
Kate Northrup (00:30):
Hello. Today's episode is so delicious and
divine. When Asha Ramakrishnawalked into my podcast studio, I
could just feel that we weresuddenly in a portal, and you'll
hear about that at the beginningof the episode. So she is the
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steward of an incredible body ofwork called Sacred Commerce,
which is a bridge from where weare now with, a version of
capitalism that certainly doesnot work for everyone. And it is
a bridge to a more beautifuleconomic possibility for us all.
So in this episode, we talkabout the four ethos of sacred
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commerce. One of which is, is itactually spiritual to be
wealthy? And she says yes, andwe'll find out why. We also talk
about how to dec decode yourspecific instructions for
stewarding the work that wantsto come through you in this
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lifetime in a very specific waythat is unique to you using both
Vedic astrology and human designas supporting bodies of work for
that. Asha is a priestess.
She has a background inmolecular biology and business
development. She is thebestselling author of Awakening
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the Modern Woman, The PriestessCode, Awakening the Modern
Woman, and also the co author ofYour Soul Math, Liberation,
Human Design, and the BIPOCExperience that she co wrote
with AC Brown. She is a modernday priestess. She is delicious.
She is fascinating, and I cannotwait for you to expand into
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sacred commerce with Asha.
Welcome to Plenty. I'm your hostKate Northrup and together we
are going on a journey to helpyou have an incredible
relationship with money, time,and energy and to have abundance
on every possible level. Everyweek, we're gonna dive in with
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experts and insights to help youunlock a life of plenty. Let's
go fill our cups.
Disclaimer (02:52):
Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the
guests on the Plenty podcast arenot necessarily reflective of
the opinions and perspectives ofKate Northrop or anyone who
works within the Kate Northropbrand.
Kate Northrup (03:04):
Hey. Hey. Welcome. Thank you for being
here. I'm so excited to dive inwith you, Asha.
Okay. So you walked in just nowwith an offering, and I feel
like we're sitting in thislittle energetic portal because
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of several things that justhappened in the last ten minutes
since you walked in the door.Yeah. And you were just saying
before we started recording thatyou don't know why you're
surprised that this was theoffering, and so let's go.
Asha RamaKrishna (03:41):
I What is happening there? Don't know why
I was surprised that Blue Lotusis the offering for sacred
commerce, but also it deeplylanded because it merged not
only the lineage where I knowthat much of sacred commerce
began, or at least there'shistorical evidence that it was
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very alive. Spirituality,temples, priestessing, mystics,
magicians were involved incommerce. And in Egypt, Blue
Lotus is everywhere, right? Itis part of the mythology and
also the depiction of thattransformation of from the muck,
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you sort of rise up to meet thesun, and as this plant meets the
sun, it flowers and in fact hasan internal sun as well, right?
Because the blue lotus ispurple, but then in the center
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is very yellow. Anyway, sothere's that connection, and
then there's connection with myHindu tantric lineage,
Sanatandharma is another namethat's given to the philosophy,
and that flower is part of amystery that involves the womb,
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sacred sexuality, our ability tocreate, our ability to bring
life and also bring death, andso it all came together. And
then I walked in with my BlueLotus, like, Let's have some
tea. Let's put some in yourcoffee, and then I see your
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dress, and I think it's likesome of the flowers are blue
lotus, and you're like, oh mygod, and then you just ordered
blue lotus I essential did,
Kate Northrup (05:47):
which was so interesting, Quite frankly until
this moment, I knew nothingabout Blue Lotus, so you're
telling me currently everythingI know. I want to know more
about I just, I love theuniverse, goddess, so much
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because you had reached outwhenever you had reached out,
and then we were back and forthabout timing, and then this day
worked for both of us, and hereyou are. We happen to be
recording this. Well, that's notthe day this goes live. We are
recording it on a full mooneclipse, full moon eclipse in
Virgo, and you also told me it'sthe day of Lakshmi.
(06:35):
So and she is connected to theblue lotus
Asha RamaKrishna (06:38):
or not? You know, she's the Probably not.
Goddess goddess of sustenanceand wealth and Abundance. And
abundance. Yeah.
So I yeah. I think that we arereally being supported in this
conversation. That's so cool.And I mean, I'm so grateful for
that because as a steward of abody of work, you just kind of
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show up and you do your best topromote the thing that sometimes
feels like it's a little aheadof its time, but then also you
try to bring it so that it'saccessible to people, right?
It's like probably most of thepeople that work with you are
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these people that are suchconscious people that have
something really special tobring, and maybe they're a
little ahead of their time.
Kate Northrup (07:30):
Yeah. And
Asha RamaKrishna (07:32):
the part wrestling and the mystery of
marketing, the thing that isahead of its time, is that you
just really do have to wrestlewith it, and you have to pull
from here and pull from here andpull from here, and like, Okay,
am I explaining it? I think it'sless that Sometimes it can be
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that people are shy to bevisible, but I think it's more
that some of these people justhave such a deep service,
purpose, dharma, that it livesin many realms of the mystery,
and so you're trying to pullfrom the twelfth dimension. And
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then how do I make it so thatsomeone who's here in this
dimension in this moment who'scontending with very alive
things like kids being aroundand Apple
Kate Northrup (08:29):
sauce sticks.
Asha RamaKrishna (08:29):
Applesauce in the chair and living and tending
to our families and all thiskind of stuff. How do we
remember that these other realmsare also here just to be of
service to?
Kate Northrup (08:48):
And as I'm listening to you, what I'm so
aware of is that as businessowners, as people who are
marketing, what you were sayingis you're here to steward this
particular body of work. And andand right now, it's around
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sacred commerce, and we're gonnadive into what that means and
what are the elements and how wecan bring that into our own
lives and businesses and andlives whether we have businesses
or not. And what I'm aware of isthat marketing can feel to me
sometimes very I don't want tosay robotic is not the word, but
(09:36):
it can just feel very three d,and I'm so and I love, I do, I
love marketing. I love it, butthe part of it I love is what
you are touching on, which isbeing a weaver between the
unseen and the seen, andactually understanding that as
someone who is bringing a bodyof work to the world and
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stewarding that body of work,that it is our responsibility to
speak on behalf of what iswanting to come and further our
culture forward in a particularway. And for some people, they
are gonna just be really aheadof the curve, and so it may not
like super hit in this lifetimein the way that, you know, Goop
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did.
Like, let's say, write like thevagina. They're like, this this
candle smells like my vagina.That was like a moment in time.
That wouldn't have worked in thesixties. I'm sure somebody had
an idea, but like, right?
It worked in '20 whatever whenGwyneth Paltrow came out with
that candle, and I'm suresomebody on her team came up
with the idea. So I'm justexcited about this idea that we
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can our personality selves, ourego selves can step further into
the background to be able tosteward these bodies of work and
speak on behalf of them onbehalf of the divine, not so
much on behalf of, like, hey. Iwanna be visible. But it's like,
no. No.
No. No. Sacred commerce needs tobe out here for more people, so,
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like, let me do everything I cando on the human sphere to
support that.
Asha RamaKrishna (11:16):
Yeah. It's really the priestessing of a
body of work. And I want to comeback to what you said about
being ahead of our time, right?Because I will say that this
body of work came to me in 2015,and I started bringing it out,
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but it also needed to grow withme, grow with the way that I was
looking at businesses, sodifferent kinds of businesses,
the way that I supporteddifferent businesses or the way
that I was stewarding my ownbusinesses, and there is
something about the tenacity ofcontinuing with the thing that
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it may not feel like it's fullycooked, but it's gonna be.
Kate Northrup (12:04):
And so if you don't mind telling us, what is
sacred commerce? Okay. So I knewyou were gonna ask me that. And
answer in whatever way you want.You could answer in
Asha RamaKrishna (12:22):
an interpretive And I think I
didn't sleep because I was like,how am I gonna answer this? But
something
Kate Northrup (12:28):
And luckily, we have the whole episode to answer
that question.
Asha RamaKrishna (12:31):
Alright. Beautiful. Because yesterday,
you and I had a conversationabout personal decisions that we
were making, and you said it's afeeling, and you didn't need to
say anything. Right? Because itstuck with me because what I
felt was that you pulled from arealm and you couldn't unfeel
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that thing.
And in many ways, sacredcommerce is that because it is
this emergent thing. Part ofwhat we're proposing here is
that we know that capitalismdoesn't exactly work for
everybody. Right? It's not meantto, first of all. It wasn't
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structured to work foreverybody.
It was meant to benefit certainpeople. Right? And so what I'm
proposing is a bridge because wecan't also Many of us don't have
the privilege of saying, Well,I'm opting out. Peace I'm not
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doing this. I'm gonna have ahomestead.
No, I'm putting kids throughcollege. I'm taking care of my
mom. Also, I don't want my kidsto be responsible for me when
I'm in my, you know, elder shipyears. And so I have a personal
responsibility to be in thesystem, but also help evolve it.
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Because like any evolutionaryprocess, it takes time.
Right? And you have to plant theright seeds at the right time
sometimes, and if it's not theright time, we'll keep watering
the thing, and maybe you getsomebody to put fertilizer in
and collaborating, and thesymbiosis allows for the thing
that felt like it was ahead ofits time for other people to be
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like, Oh, now it's ripe. Like,Now is the right time. So that
feeling is really about a fewthings, that we get to feel
good. I think that's a lot ofyour work too, right, is
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teaching people how to haveharmonious nervous systems.
Kate Northrup (14:53):
Yeah. Right? That actually it is our bodies,
especially as women, but allhumans' bodies, are designed for
pleasure. That's actually theway we were designed. We have an
entire organ in the female bodydedicated to pleasure.
That's its only function. That'sthe clitoris. Why is it that we
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would be born that way if weweren't meant to feel good? And
yet, so many thousands of yearsof religious programming, of all
sorts of patriarchalindoctrination have conditioned
us to believe that sufferingbuys us something, and that a
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certain amount of suffering isrequired in order to quote
unquote earn the right to feelgood. Yeah.
Right? And then there's all theyears of oppression, like, it's
just it's a quagmire, and yetfeeling good is part of the
metabolism of that history.Yeah. And I'm curious with the
Asha RamaKrishna (16:03):
Blue Lotus. Because it is an aphrodisiac.
Oh. Yeah. Really?
Yeah. Cool. I know. That's sointeresting.
Kate Northrup (16:13):
I know. Okay. So as we draw up to be born in the
mud, in the muck, in thedarkness, which we all were born
in the dark, Right? Like, that'swhere we all come from. There's
an element of then coming intothe sun, blossoming, becoming
becoming that flower, and thatthere's some inherent property
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in that that actually turns onour pleasure centers.
Am I understanding thiscorrectly?
Asha RamaKrishna (16:39):
I guess I would say that I mean, it's a
big mystery, right? Which is thebest. Yeah, because part of my
uncovering in leadingpilgrimages to Egypt and India
is really being a student ofwhat have people done before?
Yes. You know, I am not one, asmuch as we can romanticize the
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ways of the past, I think it'sbeautiful, and there's a part
that we do need to sort ofconnect to that, there's also a
reason why it's not why certaintraditions or certain ways of
being are not current right now.
Kate Northrup (17:17):
Thank you for the sanity of that.
Asha RamaKrishna (17:19):
Uh-huh.
Kate Northrup (17:19):
I just really want to earmark how sane that is
because there is such a tendencyto just be like, Oh no, it Oh
was no, it was and it's like,Yeah, well, it's not happening
now and there's probably a goodreason.
Asha RamaKrishna (17:34):
Yeah, there probably is a good reason, and
also because this is the timethat we live in now. So let's
see here. It's like, what wouldwe do? Kate and I would just
have our temple in Miami, and wewould make offerings. No, we
have to be with the people.
We have to share. Seduce peopleinto loving God is what I say is
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my job.
Kate Northrup (18:00):
I love that. Right?
Asha RamaKrishna (18:02):
It's like, come over
Kate Northrup (18:03):
here. This
Asha RamaKrishna (18:04):
is so nice. Have some tea.
Kate Northrup (18:06):
Oh, It's
Asha RamaKrishna (18:07):
so good. But but the mystery of the sun, it
actually, there's a biologicalreasons there too, which I think
you've also been connected to islike how much we have been kept
from being in the sun, and howDon't even get
Kate Northrup (18:23):
me started on the American Dermalogical Society
and how they have vilified thesun. Now obviously, sure,
clearly I'm somebody who needsto wear sunscreen, but not as
much as we
Asha RamaKrishna (18:36):
think. We need the sun. It's metabolically
important. Exactly. To start ourday, to end our day, to regulate
our hormone cascade,
Kate Northrup (18:47):
especially To feed our as mitochondria.
Asha RamaKrishna (18:49):
To feed the mitochondria. Yeah, so there's a
lot of biological things that Ithink these mysteries speak of
without speaking of them andthat we can be observers of
those mysteries and utilizeelements that make sense, you
know?
Kate Northrup (19:05):
I love that. On this day of Lakshmi
Asha RamaKrishna (19:10):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (19:10):
Yeah. Which I feel is just
Asha RamaKrishna (19:13):
A blessing.
Kate Northrup (19:13):
Such a blessing. I would love to so sacred
commerce, it sounds like, wasbefore its time in 2015. It
really is a bridge between ourcurrent system of capitalism and
and a and a more beautifulfuture that works for more
people.
Asha RamaKrishna (19:31):
That works for more people. So the first ethos
is feel good. The second ethosis be wealthy.
Kate Northrup (19:39):
Wow. And what does that mean?
Asha RamaKrishna (19:41):
Yeah. So I think it gets to mean whatever
you want it to mean for you.That's the beauty of an emergent
methodology, right, is that youget to define what wealth is for
you without, romanticizing, overspiritualizing abundance and
being like, my bank account saysnegative, but I'm abundant. Yes,
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my love, we are. And also, weneed to materialize that realm.
So it's kind of actually, it'sreally about bringing the other
realms, the other dimensions,down into this three d realm so
that it can be an overflow, sothat our normal lives can be an
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overflow. So the way that I amproposing, I think that each
person does need to havepermission to create the kind of
wealth that they want. It's alot of what I think I do. It's
like you have permission to bewealthy. You have permission to
make that much money.
You have permission to put thatmuch money away. You have
permission to invest that much,right? It's okay for us to do
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this. That does not make us lessspiritual. It doesn't.
I'm so happy that I get toprovide for my family. It brings
me a lot of joy, and I know thatwhen we're a little bit
tumbling, my daughters feel it,and it's okay as long as we have
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these very honest dialoguesabout what this means, this
doesn't define us, this momentdoesn't define us because
there's buckets of money justwaiting for us right around the
corner. So anyway, the way thatI am proposing that wealth can
happen is by us looking at whatis wealth and dharma. In this
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Sanatana dharma, there are thesefour fulfillments of the soul.
One is dharma, which is purposeor values.
Two is artha, which is actuallywealth. Third is kama, which is
pleasure. Right? It's likeyou've got to be on purpose,
you've got to have money, thenyou can enjoy the money. That's
the energy of lakshmi.
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It's the enjoyment of what istoo. And then finally is the
liberation or moksha, which Ithink traditionally they believe
that it's more like when youpass to the next realm, but I
think that there is aconversation that we can have
about what liberation looks likeright now. Right here. Yeah. And
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so knowing your dharma, knowingwhat that purpose archetype is
for you that you're here towrestle with, to contend with,
to sort of bring from the otherrealms is an important piece.
The other piece is we useastrology, and you can use other
ways of knowing yourself, butit's really about knowing
yourself. Knowing yourself andwhat actually makes the most
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sense for you to customize theway you speak about what you are
steward of, which like humandesign is amazing.
Kate Northrup (22:47):
Customize the way you speak about what you are a
steward of. So it's likebasically there's a specific way
that we were all cosmically,divinely designed for to speak
on behalf of this particularbody of work. And there are
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actually instructions for that,and they can be found in
astrology. I know you're astudent of Vedic astrology. They
can be found in human design,and I wanna come back to those
things, so I'm putting a pinthere because we're going deep
there.
But I wanna go back because yousaid part of ethos number two is
being wealthy. Yeah. And youreally give people permission.
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Yes. Like, you get to have thatamount of money.
You get to invest that. You getto be able to support your
family. You get to be able tosend your kids to college. You
get to create wealth. No.
It doesn't make you notspiritual to do those things. I
wanna dig in a little bit therebecause there's so much that
comes up for people around, isit okay? Do I get to thrive? And
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does my thriving automaticallydetract from someone else's
ability to be wealthy. What do
Asha RamaKrishna (24:10):
you think? Well, you know, I mean, I think
we're just like stepping intoethos number three, which is
give back. Okay, But give backis not just about giving to
charities. It's actually aboutwidening the scope of where you
source energy from. Because Ithink in this personal brand
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arena that we're all in
Kate Northrup (24:33):
What even is this?
Asha RamaKrishna (24:34):
I'm like, why do people want to see my photo?
Another photo of me on thisthing? And they're like, yes,
they want that. I'm like, okay.
Kate Northrup (24:40):
Isn't it wild and weird? It's super weird. But if
we can sort of be like, okay,I'm the spokesperson this body
of work, it can just be likeFair.
Asha RamaKrishna (24:50):
Cool.
Kate Northrup (24:50):
Just use my face, I guess. Exactly. Weird.
Asha RamaKrishna (24:54):
But why so in this like kind of way of
thinking about personal brands,we also have been tapping into a
limited source of our energy,which is ourselves. Yeah. That's
it. It's me. How much energy doI have?
Do I have enough time? Do I havethe capacity? What's happening
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to my kids? What's happeningpolitically? Like, how do I
contend with that?
And so when we are only sourcingfrom ourselves, then we're like,
I can't watch the news. And thenwe're not paying attention to
what's happening around theglobe and what's happening to
our siblings in other countriesthat we should should be paying
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attention because we contributeto either the well-being or not
of other nations, right? And soin this giving back, what I'm
proposing in widening the scopeis actually bringing it to
ceremony as a way to tappinginto other realms, other
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assistance, so that we open theAkash or the records of all of
life and say and the Akash says,Oh, you need something from the
three d realm. Let me help youwith that, and then you get your
Blue Lotus that you're like, Ihave to get this thing.
Kate Northrup (26:19):
Yeah, so I don't know why.
Asha RamaKrishna (26:22):
And I think that people even listening to
this know what I'm talkingabout. Totally. Right? It's like
the thing shows up and you'relike, oh, I actually thinking
about that, but there are otherrealms also that are not as
obvious, And so these otherrealms get to support us. Maybe
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when you were talking about thegoop thing and you said it was
probably somebody in her teamthat brought this idea, that is
being sourced from anotherrealm.
Right. Yeah. I mean,
Kate Northrup (26:56):
and who knows? Maybe it was Gwyneth, but
regardless. I wanna say herethat for those listening where
it's like, okay, so Asha, weschedule the day today. I have
no idea it's the day of Lakshmi.I know nothing about Blue Lotus.
I happen to order Blue Lotus. Iwear a dress with Blue Lotus.
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Asha has this beautiful tattooof Blue Lotus She on her brings
the Blue Lotus offering becauseit is the offering of sacred
commerce, and this body of workis really ripe. So there's this
invitation that's alwaysavailable. And like, this can be
our daily lives.
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I imagine this sort of thinghappens to you all the time.
Like for some people, it's like,oh, that sort of thing is just
like random coincidence. Oh,weird. That one time 10 ago that
that yeah. No.
Like, I imagine that's how youlive. Is that true? I mean, for
some of the time. For some ofthe time. Right.
Asha RamaKrishna (27:57):
Yeah. Course. I mean, you know, have my
moments.
Kate Northrup (28:00):
But this could be our way. Like being that
supported by all the unseenrealms, it could be that easy,
which goes back to feel good.
Asha RamaKrishna (28:11):
I think it's I deeply believe that this is the
way. I deeply believe that thisthe way, and I am in pursuit of
how that gets to be more andmore and more for me, for my
loved ones, and for people who Iimpact. It's the belief, it's
the feeling. We go back tofeeling. I believe there can be
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another way.
And I wanted to come back towhat you said about all the
things that surface, coming backto like, Oh, be wealthy, like,
right? I come from Venezuela, soI'm Indian in Venezuela, and
many of us who are immigrantshave this survival guilt, this
sort of like, I'm doing well,and then if we have family
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members watching us on socialmedia, it's like, What? You live
that way? And I think that thathappens even if you're not an
immigrant, right? If you'reaware of the world, you know
that the way that you liveencompasses privilege,
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encompasses blessings, and wedon't know what to do with that
part of life that is a lakshmi,opposite of lakshmi.
Okay. Right? That is devoid offeeling gratitude, that is
devoid of feeling the pleasuresof life. And it's a complex
(29:40):
thing to address for sure inpodcast episode, You in one
could
Kate Northrup (29:46):
write a full dissertation
Asha RamaKrishna (29:48):
Around all of this. I still believe that it is
our birthright to be wealthy.And so the more and more people
who believe this, who have thisfeeling I may in this moment, my
bank account may look a certainway, but I have this feeling
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that I am meant to embodyLakshmi. The more and more and
more people who ground thatrealm of Lakshmi, the more that
we start solving this. Now, thatdoesn't mean that you're on your
own, right?
Kate Northrup (30:28):
Like I'm doing Lakshmi over here, you do you.
That's not what you're saying.
Asha RamaKrishna (30:33):
I'm a little saying that, but I'm also saying
because you've widened thescope, because it's not just
about you as an individual, bothfrom an energetic standpoint and
also from a financialstandpoint, widen that scope
too. Widen the scope of what doyou want to contribute to
(30:54):
flourishing in life? For me,it's buying land back. We've
started as a family to buy landfor conservation, but I really
want to be on the trajectory ofbuying land back for indigenous
tribes. My huge why, right?
I have my immediate whys ofretirement, college, da da da,
(31:18):
that huge why is like, oh, I'dlove to be a part of freeing
lands.
Kate Northrup (31:25):
And is that in The United States? Is that
globally?
Asha RamaKrishna (31:28):
I mean, we started in our backyard,
literally in our backyard. Wegot together with neighbors and
we bought 10 acres so that it'sconservation land. So it
benefits everybody, right?
Kate Northrup (31:40):
Yes, it does.
Asha RamaKrishna (31:41):
Green benefits everybody, and then the next
Kate Northrup (31:43):
Hello, just like, let's just talk about oxygen.
Yes. Basic. Yes, yes, and
Asha RamaKrishna (31:48):
freeing it up so that not another house gets
built. Like, do we really needmore houses built? I don't know.
Kate Northrup (31:54):
Actually, we we don't. There's a there's a
currently today, there's moreinventory than necessary in
certain markets. I mean, course,that's
Asha RamaKrishna (32:04):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (32:04):
That is a vast oversimplification. But I also
wanna say for anyone listeningwho's still got the little, I
don't know. The data actuallydoes show us that there are
enough resources on planet Earthto for everyone to live a good
life. This is true. This is inthe book The Sum of Us by
Heather McGhee.
This is in the book The Soul ofMoney. It speaks to Buckminster
(32:25):
Fuller's work. And so I justwant to say that because it is a
beautiful spiritual principlethat the that the zero sum model
is not true. And actually, it istrue that there are enough
resources. Now the way resourcesare used, the distribution of
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resources, like, that all aresystems that need to be
reinvented.
But for anybody just curious,like, there's enough.
Asha RamaKrishna (32:56):
There's enough.
Kate Northrup (32:57):
And and my thriving actually, literally,
right, like in just even in theway the banking system works in
The United States, right, when Iearn money and I put it in the
bank, it literally immediatelygoes out to be loaned to
somebody else. Like, that's howbanking works.
Asha RamaKrishna (33:13):
Mhmm.
Kate Northrup (33:13):
So literally, when money comes into me, it
unless I'm keeping it under mymattress, which I'm not, that
would be ridiculous, it is goingimmediately.
Asha RamaKrishna (33:23):
It's circulating.
Kate Northrup (33:24):
It is circulating. Even if I'm just
keeping it in my high yieldsavings account. Right? Like,
it's high yield because they'relending it out to somebody else
to then use it for theirbusiness, for their mortgage,
for their, you know, who evenknows what. That's so cool.
Not to mention the fact that, ofcourse, like, you know, it
blesses your children to theirgoing to college. Now they're
gonna bless other people withtheir vocations and their
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presence and, you know, andbeing able to hire people and
being able to create anincredible work environment
where people can take enoughtime off and be with their
families and go to the soccergame at three in the afternoon.
Like, all that stuff. Like, itreally does matter. Those sorts
of things are abundance.
Like, far beyond money in yourbank account is is is time, is
is joy. Of course. Okay. So wegot to ethos three. Yeah.
(34:10):
I wanna know, do you wanna godeeper into the layers of sacred
commerce, or do we wanna circleback to Vedic astrology and
human design and getting theinstructions for how you are
meant to bring your body of workto the world?
Asha RamaKrishna (34:22):
Think the final thing I would say about
giving back is that part ofbridging from capitalism is that
in that widening of the scope,also having us think of what do
I want to contribute in? What doI wanna amplify in this world?
(34:44):
And giving of our energy or ofour ecosystem that we build to
support that as a part of it.Even the notion of using an
offering for a body of workplugs me into a certain plant.
It's so good.
(35:05):
Right? Even that And so then,even if I don't know everything
there is to know about BlueLotus, my curiosity has peaked
year after year after year. Imean, it's been at least five
years that I've been in themystery of the Blue Lotus, and I
just found out, like two weeksago, that it definitely has a
(35:30):
component in my lineage thatrelates to the womb, that
relates to the sacred sexuality,that relates to purifying all
the things that we hold as humanand soul beings that have lived
through things and, we'recarrying certain things and has
(35:53):
part of its role is thepurification of that. So I also
think that, oh yeah, part of itsrole is also to anoint us with
pleasure, with power, withwealth, and what does it mean
when we broaden that scope andsay, I'm a steward of that for
(36:17):
beyond just myself.
Kate Northrup (36:19):
Right. Like on behalf of my corner of the
universe, I'm doing this. Andwhat's so cool about an offering
that is a living being, likeflower, is that there is an
essence. There is a frequency.So whether you are mentally
knowing all the things aboutBlue Lotus or not, and of
(36:42):
course, like you're learningevery day, it's working no
matter what.
And that's what's so powerfulabout essential oils, about
offerings, about working withthese different essences. They
are working on us. Yeah. Withoutus needing really to do a whole
lot about it, which I reallylove because it breaks down the
(37:03):
construct of like I'm onlyvaluable, I'm only doing
something. I'm only valuable,I'm only worthy if I'm doing.
It can be done for us and Andthrough
Asha RamaKrishna (37:15):
I also wanna bring up that every body of work
that someone is stewarding isworking at different realms,
therefore there probably is anoffering for your body of work
and for someone else's body ofwork.
Kate Northrup (37:33):
And how might someone connect with that? Like
if I wanted to connect in withthe offering related to relaxed
money, how might I start withthat?
Asha RamaKrishna (37:45):
Yeah. I mean, my eyes went to your flower.
Kate Northrup (37:48):
Was brought by a guest last week on the podcast.
She just showed up with aflower. It was so nice. What is
that flower? I'm not good atthat.
My mom's really amazing at
Asha RamaKrishna (38:00):
that, so I wanna say chrysanthemum, but no,
right? I don't know.
Kate Northrup (38:03):
Maybe. I don't know. I'll text my mom a photo
later and
Asha RamaKrishna (38:06):
ask her. But I think it's first starting with
curiosity. It's okay to not getit right the first time. It's
like, oh, you know, I thinkstarting with the basics is
always good. Right?
Frankincense, gold, myrrh, startwith those. The three kings. You
know, queens, whatever,magicians. Right? The three
(38:28):
magicians.
Kate Northrup (38:29):
Yeah. Start
Asha RamaKrishna (38:31):
with those.
Kate Northrup (38:31):
Great. I love that.
Asha RamaKrishna (38:32):
Yeah. And then, you know, for people who
are connected to Mary Magdalene,then it's Frank Spikenard. Oh.
Right? So start with that.
Whatever it is that feels likeit's a part of you, start with
that, and then it gets to evolveand be like, oh, you're playing
in this realm of ceremony? Well,here's this other thing. Right.
Kate Northrup (38:56):
Because when you open the door, it then knows
it's welcome. Yes. Yeah. Yes.Okay.
That's really cool. And wecreated this Well, I partnered
with someone named Robin Jonesto create a relaxed money blend
that she really she's likeessentially like is an olfactory
divination person. Like, she'sshe's a a nose diviner, and she
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was able to call in through hervast multi decade knowledge of
flower of of plants vibrationand essential oil. And also just
because she's super psychic, shewas able to call in the absolute
perfect oils to create thisrelaxed money blend to be a
quickening agent for the work.So it may be our offerings ever
(39:46):
like multilayered with manydifferent because maybe we
already have it with the RelaxedOf Money
Asha RamaKrishna (39:52):
course, and it gets to evolve. Maybe it's then
deciphering, well, what are theelements that are in the blend
and what are those plantsExactly or what what those they
mean? What's the energy? Yeah,and then bringing the physical.
Because there's a distillationprocess with the oils, which is
beautiful, but there's alsosomething really beautiful about
(40:13):
having the actual plant.
Oh,
Kate Northrup (40:15):
I'm gonna do that when I teach the program. I'm
gonna bring them into my space,like the physical plants of all
of them.
Asha RamaKrishna (40:23):
Thank you for that. That's really powerful.
Isn't it beautiful to just lookat the petals?
Kate Northrup (40:29):
Right? If I were
Asha RamaKrishna (40:30):
to put oil in there, which
Kate Northrup (40:32):
No. Wouldn't don't see it. Yeah. The blue
lotus oil,
Asha RamaKrishna (40:35):
think, would be, like, nasty to take But this
kinda lets you tap into theother realm, the mystery of the
thing.
Kate Northrup (40:43):
Yeah. And to just be with it.
Asha RamaKrishna (40:45):
And to just be with it, and then it gets to
inform you. It gets to informyou in your sleep, it gets to
inform you when you're writingcopy, it gets to inform you when
you're speaking into the camera,it gets to inform you in ways
that, yes, our logical brainsare not going to get, and part
of this moving, bridging fromcapitalism is merging the
(41:08):
magical and the logical, mergingthe sun and the lunar, merging
the heaven and the earth. It isabout that, because today, one
overrides the other. 100%. So inorder to bring back to harmony
(41:31):
and to balance, we have to playwith this.
Do you notice how quiet it got?Uh-huh. Like, that is
information. I can't evenbelieve how quiet it got. I have
no idea what was making soundbefore, but something got really
quiet as a way of even listeningto that, leaning into that.
(41:55):
Parts of us are like, Oh, wait,what?
Kate Northrup (41:57):
Yeah. And if we are paying attention, the
universe is speaking at alltimes through everything. Yeah.
So one of the ways that we aregiven instructions is through
our astrological charts andthrough our human design. Yeah.
And obviously, you have a vastknowledge of both of these
(42:20):
systems. You co wrote anincredible book about human
design specifically, and youstudy Vedic astrology. And so
I'm just curious, first of all,I'm going to sneeze. You can
just edit that out. I'm curiousif you can invite us into how
(42:46):
your knowledge of astrology,your knowledge of human design,
how we can start to figure outwhat our instructions are using
those modalities for sharing ourbody of work in specific ways
that we're designed for.
Because it's not you know, theway you would do it is not the
same I would do it. And and and,you know, the problem with the
internet is we can just see somuch of what everyone else is
(43:09):
doing, or at least a verycurated version of it. And so it
can really kick up this feelingof like, oh, they're doing it
like that. That's working. Ishould do it like that.
And in fact, that's not our bestplace to start. Probably our own
design and our own astrology isa much better grounding place.
Asha RamaKrishna (43:25):
I think it's a starting point, and I I think a
lot of Vedic astrologers differin the way they see this. Like,
I just heard that this personthat I really respect thinks
that our astrology is 70% andour free will is 30%. And I'm
like, I think it's the opposite.I think that our astrology is a
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starting point of when themoment we were born. And as we
bring consciousness and truthand bliss, we get to explore
evolution from that.
So I think at any point, ifastrology is boxing you in, that
may not be the way to use it.It's meant to liberate you. It's
(44:10):
meant to let you have a startingpoint. I just wanted to say that
because I think that we canbecome so attached to whatever
the thing is in that we forgetthat actually what we're
intended to do is to begin toliberate from the karmic cycle
and come into a dharmic cycle.And how we come into a dharmic
(44:33):
cycle, aside from knowing whatyour archetype is to work on in
this lifetime, is also theexploration of the other
archetypes within the chart.
Now that may not help somebodywho's like, Wait, okay, but
let's come back. Let's comeback, Asha. I wanna bring that
up because it's also aboutopening the scope of not tying
(44:53):
you in. If at any point you feeltied or bound by your chart, I
don't think it's the correctuse. I think you're staying in a
karmic cycle.
So coming back, the way that Iinterpret, the way that I look
at someone's business and theway they want to make money is I
(45:18):
use the Vedic astrology chart tosort of understand the big soul
messages. How you communicate,how you synthesize emotional and
mental information, what you'rehere to bring forth and evolve.
Human design is one of my loves.I came into human design twenty
(45:40):
years ago, if you can believethat. My daughter was three
years old.
Kate Northrup (45:44):
Very early adopter.
Asha RamaKrishna (45:46):
Yes. But I was in a place, my daughter is a
reflector, and I was in a placeas a mother down on my knees of
like, I don't know what to dowith this kid. We had essential
oils, we had lavender baths,dimming the lights. We were
doing everything and this kidwas still you know, definitely
(46:07):
not harmony. Wow.
And her name is Dharma, by theway.
Kate Northrup (46:11):
Of course it is.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:12):
So I was like, I left my job. I mean, I was
like, how do I really How do Ibring peace to my home? And
someone said, Have you triedhuman design? And I was like,
No, bring it on. We were thisshort of going to Guatemala to
go see a shaman, And you had myfirst was like back when it was
(46:36):
like tele classes, right?
Kate Northrup (46:39):
I love a good tele seminar.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:40):
That was so fun, right?
Kate Northrup (46:41):
Live for them.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:42):
You know? And then I made the mistake of
having, well, not the mistake,it was great. My partner, Glenn,
was in the class, and it was allabout raising kids using human
design and we were both on thereand early on we started learning
about it. So for I would say thefirst seven years, for me it was
just I started seeing what Ineeded to do to bring harmony to
(47:06):
the space, and then I took it tomyself like, oh, okay, how does
this work for me? How does thiswork for my marriage?
And then people started askingme about business, like how do I
use that for business? And sothat's kind of how it evolved.
And for me, it's like I loveastrology, but there's something
(47:28):
about human design for me thatreally makes it so specific and
so practical. And it allowssomebody to have an evolutionary
process with a certain energy.Even how you market, even who is
attracted to you, like, whateverthing they're going through in
(47:50):
life Remember how yesterday Iwas saying to you, you're like,
What's a four one?
I'm like, Oh, I'm the kind ofperson that people come to when
they're at a crossroads. NiceNice to to know for your
marketing.
Kate Northrup (48:01):
Hang out a shingle. I talk about that. It's
so straightforward.
Asha RamaKrishna (48:06):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (48:06):
Okay. So I think many people listening know about
the high level types. Yeah. Andthen just, you know, I know that
this is like, again, we couldtalk for a year long class about
human design in business. Yeah.
But if you were to give us onenugget that somebody could go
look into in their own humandesign that would support them
(48:30):
in their business, what mightthat be? Beautiful. Two things.
Asha RamaKrishna (48:37):
First is taking a look at how many open
centers you have and how manydefined centers you have. The
number of open centers speaks toyour sensitivity to other people
around you, and that's hugeinformation. We're talking about
nervous system. How do yousource yourself so that you can
(49:00):
show up to the thing that yousteward? Where you have
definition, you haveconsistency.
So it's just kind of good toknow what's the balance here,
Right? General. Second, maybemore super specific, so part of
why I wanted to coauthor thatbook, Your Soul Map, is I wanted
(49:21):
to speak to the part of humandesign that is about re
indigenizing the parts, becausehuman design really comes from
the foundation of the I Ching,of the Hindu chakra system, of
the Kabbalah, of quantummechanics. And I wanted to
reindigenize those parts. And soto that, if you were to look at
(49:47):
your whole chart, all thenumbers, all the colors, like
the lines, everything, just knowthat everything in your chart is
intended to support the fullexpression of your conscious
sun, and we come back to the sunagain, right?
Not only biologically connect toit, connect to the sunrise and
the sunset, but also you have avery unique expression of what
(50:11):
you're here to fully express andshine about, And all the other
things get to support that.
Kate Northrup (50:17):
And that's your conscious son? That's your
conscious You're here to fullyconsciously Yes. Express.
Asha RamaKrishna (50:22):
And you can get fancier and then go to the
unconscious side with the rednumbers. You know, you can can
do that. But that's the numberone. Number two within that
specificity would be to look atthe incarnation cross, which is
your conscious sun, consciousearth, unconscious sun,
unconscious earth, and the playof those. The way that I propose
(50:46):
people get to know that is byreading the stories of the I
Ching because it's an oraltradition.
It's like why people listen tothis conversation versus reading
your blog about the thing.Totally. Right? There is an oral
tradition. There is somethingthat happens that emerges and
that people go like, Oh, that'sfor me.
(51:07):
Yeah. Right? And when you readstories, even if we are, you
know, like, I don't have timefor that. I don't have time for
stories. We are transformed bystories.
Kate Northrup (51:18):
Yeah, we are. And we remember them. It goes in in
a different part of our brainthat it like gets back, gets
through the front guards in acomplete, like it's like stories
go in the back door or the sidedoor. You know, it's like the
third door, that it's just, youdon't have to go through the
velvet ropes, you don't have towait in line, like It's not
(51:40):
being guarded by the prefrontalcortex and all the logic and all
the, right? It goes in.
Asha RamaKrishna (51:46):
And from your work, why do you see that we
have such a resistance to that?To Stories. To I listening to
Kate Northrup (51:56):
think it's because we've been conditioned
to be hyper masculine andlogical, and that things need to
make sense, and things need tohave a purpose, and things need
to be linear, and things need tobe informational, and things
need to have an immediate ROI,and we've lost touch with the
mystery, and we've lost touchwith the results that are
(52:17):
invisible. So story is like,what's valuable about that? I
mean, literally everything. Butif we can't be like, oh, that's
marketable in X, Y, Z way andgonna get you an ROI of this,
then it's been cast out. And I'mso grateful to live at a time
where we're just right endingthat.
(52:38):
Mhmm. You know? Mhmm. Okay. Ilove this so much.
So the incarnation cross, andspecifically, we would read the
pieces of the I Ching that haveto do with those particular
numbers when we go to the andsome people I just want you to
know, like, I I know that somepeople are listening to this and
have no freaking clue what we'retalking about, and what you can
(52:59):
do is you can read Asha's bookand learn about this. And then
you can also go do your researchabout the incarnation cross in
your human design, and theinformation is out there. So let
this be that initiation point.If you're feeling excited, even
if you're confused, just learnmore.
Asha RamaKrishna (53:17):
Yeah. And you know, as I'm right now teaching
people how to be like level onehuman design readers, I was, you
know, I opened up my own book,and I was like, actually this is
a really good resource becausein this resource we look at high
expression, low expression. Anda little bit more like nuggets
(53:41):
here for marketers, you can lookat those low expression, high
expressions as the way that youeducate people on bringing them
from the low expression to highexpression. Woah.
Kate Northrup (53:55):
Right? Oh, I'm so excited about that. K. Pulling
out your book today to learnmore. And you know what use case
I'm thinking of as you're sayingthis?
So I've been and this is likefully Yeah. On a whole different
direction, but I've beentraining a Claude AI content
creator assistant.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:13):
Uh-huh.
Kate Northrup (54:14):
And one of the ways I'm gonna use this is to
bring this information in tofeed into my project knowledge
database so that Claude, whenthey're helping me with my
marketing and copy, can weave inmy highest expression traits and
also the bringing my people fromtheir lowest expression into
(54:36):
their highest expression in theway that I'm meant to do it.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Kate Northrup (54:41):
Like that's a fun thing.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:42):
Yeah, because I think sometimes when we're in
our genius, we don't reallyactually know what we're doing.
Kate Northrup (54:48):
I would say nearly 100% of
Asha RamaKrishna (54:50):
the time. Yeah, so we don't know what
we're doing, and so sometimesit's like we've gotta look at a
map and say, Oh, that's who Iam. By a certain seasoned age,
you've pretty much addressedsome of the things in your
unconscious side, right? Youknow. Maybe when you're 20, you
don't know, and it's goodinformation to have, like, Oh,
(55:12):
this is what I'm growing into.
I look at the conscious as like,you're fully aware, this is you,
this is a part of you that youknow, and then the unconscious
is the part that life presentsto you so that you get to know.
Kate Northrup (55:25):
Yeah. So beautiful. Okay. Yes. As we land
the plane here, is thereanything else that you would
want people to know about sacredcommerce and this body of work
that you are currently usheringinto the world, because now is
its time?
Asha RamaKrishna (55:41):
Yeah. Thank you. I do even though the the
astrology can be super sexy andso many layers to it, I really
feel deeply know that knowingthe archetypal soul energy that
(56:02):
you are here to embody isessential. When I received that
I have the archetype ofPriestess, I was a molecular
biologist. I, you know, I waslike, I don't know what that is,
but I am deeply intrigued.
Kate Northrup (56:21):
How did you receive that information?
Asha RamaKrishna (56:22):
So part of what I now do is that I offer
people a way to know what yourdharma type is. But at that
time, I went to go see thiskarma healer, who's a Sufi karma
healer. My youngest was two. Andhe said, You are a priestess.
Kate Northrup (56:43):
And you're like, No, I'm a molecular.
Asha RamaKrishna (56:45):
Yeah. I'm like, What? I am a struggling
mother. Thank you very much.
Kate Northrup (56:50):
That's amazing.
Asha RamaKrishna (56:52):
And twenty years later, my deep curiosity
of what that meant in my day today life I have a life where I'm
like, My life requires a lot outof me, right? And weaving this
(57:16):
mystical side with this verylogical, pragmatic side was an
endeavor. You know, maybe again,back to what we were saying,
ahead of its time, but also thepursuit of the thing that is
ahead of its time. Now it's likeeveryone's a priestess. Yay.
Kate Northrup (57:34):
Mean, maybe not Maybe in our circles.
Asha RamaKrishna (57:37):
Yeah. Maybe in our circle.
Kate Northrup (57:38):
Know, if if nine times out of 10, if you say
you're a priestess, people arelike, what? What? But, yeah, a
100%. Okay. That's reallybeautiful.
So you do have that offering,and is that part of when
somebody joins your Mastermind,your Sacred Commerce Mastermind,
is that something that theyreceive?
Asha RamaKrishna (57:56):
Yes, and it's also available for anyone, too.
Kate Northrup (57:59):
Great. Yeah. Okay. Amazing. That's really
cool.
That's such a beautifuloffering.
Asha RamaKrishna (58:04):
Yeah, because it's not about archetype work,
it's about connecting to thoseother realms of what has my soul
come here to be and express, andsometimes it's growing into that
thing.
Kate Northrup (58:18):
Yeah. Like me, you know? Oh, yeah. Totally. So
beautiful.
Thank you for being here. Thankyou for showing up on this day
It in feels really magical, andmystical and just, yeah, really
perfect. So if people want toconnect with you, learn more,
buy your book, join your things,where should they go? What
(58:41):
should they do?
Asha RamaKrishna (58:42):
So if they want that dharma type, so the
website, ashayisnow Great. Andforward slash soul Awesome. S o
u l.
Kate Northrup (58:49):
We'll put it in the show notes.
Asha RamaKrishna (58:50):
Thank you. Then Instagram is where I really
like putting the efforting ofspeaking about what sacred
commerce is and how we can beseduced into bridging away from
capitalism.
Kate Northrup (59:06):
It's so exciting. It's so exciting. I'm I'm
really, like, thrilled to have afront row seat to what you are
creating. It feels reallyresonant with me.
Asha RamaKrishna (59:14):
So Thank you.
Kate Northrup (59:14):
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And part of this moving, bridging from
capitalism is merging themagical and the logical, merging
the sun and the lunar.Everything in your chart is
intended to support the fullexpression of your conscious
sun, and we come back to the sunagain. Right? Not only
biologically connect to it,connect to the sunrise and the
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sunset, but also you have a veryunique expression of what you're
here to fully express and shineabout.
Kate Northrup (00:30):
Hello. Today's episode is so delicious and
divine. When Asha Ramakrishnawalked into my podcast studio, I
could just feel that we weresuddenly in a portal, and you'll
hear about that at the beginningof the episode. So she is the
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steward of an incredible body ofwork called Sacred Commerce,
which is a bridge from where weare now with, a version of
capitalism that certainly doesnot work for everyone. And it is
a bridge to a more beautifuleconomic possibility for us all.
So in this episode, we talkabout the four ethos of sacred
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commerce. One of which is, is itactually spiritual to be
wealthy? And she says yes, andwe'll find out why. We also talk
about how to dec decode yourspecific instructions for
stewarding the work that wantsto come through you in this
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lifetime in a very specific waythat is unique to you using both
Vedic astrology and human designas supporting bodies of work for
that. Asha is a priestess.
She has a background inmolecular biology and business
development. She is thebestselling author of Awakening
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the Modern Woman, The PriestessCode, Awakening the Modern
Woman, and also the co author ofYour Soul Math, Liberation,
Human Design, and the BIPOCExperience that she co wrote
with AC Brown. She is a modernday priestess. She is delicious.
She is fascinating, and I cannotwait for you to expand into
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sacred commerce with Asha.
Welcome to Plenty. I'm your hostKate Northrup and together we
are going on a journey to helpyou have an incredible
relationship with money, time,and energy and to have abundance
on every possible level. Everyweek, we're gonna dive in with
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experts and insights to help youunlock a life of plenty. Let's
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the opinions and perspectives ofKate Northrop or anyone who
works within the Kate Northropbrand.
Kate Northrup (03:04):
Hey. Hey. Welcome. Thank you for being
here. I'm so excited to dive inwith you, Asha.
Okay. So you walked in just nowwith an offering, and I feel
like we're sitting in thislittle energetic portal because
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of several things that justhappened in the last ten minutes
since you walked in the door.Yeah. And you were just saying
before we started recording thatyou don't know why you're
surprised that this was theoffering, and so let's go.
Asha RamaKrishna (03:41):
I What is happening there? Don't know why
I was surprised that Blue Lotusis the offering for sacred
commerce, but also it deeplylanded because it merged not
only the lineage where I knowthat much of sacred commerce
began, or at least there'shistorical evidence that it was
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very alive. Spirituality,temples, priestessing, mystics,
magicians were involved incommerce. And in Egypt, Blue
Lotus is everywhere, right? Itis part of the mythology and
also the depiction of thattransformation of from the muck,
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you sort of rise up to meet thesun, and as this plant meets the
sun, it flowers and in fact hasan internal sun as well, right?
Because the blue lotus ispurple, but then in the center
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is very yellow. Anyway, sothere's that connection, and
then there's connection with myHindu tantric lineage,
Sanatandharma is another namethat's given to the philosophy,
and that flower is part of amystery that involves the womb,
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sacred sexuality, our ability tocreate, our ability to bring
life and also bring death, andso it all came together. And
then I walked in with my BlueLotus, like, Let's have some
tea. Let's put some in yourcoffee, and then I see your
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dress, and I think it's likesome of the flowers are blue
lotus, and you're like, oh mygod, and then you just ordered
blue lotus I essential did,
Kate Northrup (05:47):
which was so interesting, Quite frankly until
this moment, I knew nothingabout Blue Lotus, so you're
telling me currently everythingI know. I want to know more
about I just, I love theuniverse, goddess, so much
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because you had reached outwhenever you had reached out,
and then we were back and forthabout timing, and then this day
worked for both of us, and hereyou are. We happen to be
recording this. Well, that's notthe day this goes live. We are
recording it on a full mooneclipse, full moon eclipse in
Virgo, and you also told me it'sthe day of Lakshmi.
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So and she is connected to theblue lotus
Asha RamaKrishna (06:38):
or not? You know, she's the Probably not.
Goddess goddess of sustenanceand wealth and Abundance. And
abundance. Yeah.
So I yeah. I think that we arereally being supported in this
conversation. That's so cool.And I mean, I'm so grateful for
that because as a steward of abody of work, you just kind of
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show up and you do your best topromote the thing that sometimes
feels like it's a little aheadof its time, but then also you
try to bring it so that it'saccessible to people, right?
It's like probably most of thepeople that work with you are
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these people that are suchconscious people that have
something really special tobring, and maybe they're a
little ahead of their time.
Kate Northrup (07:30):
Yeah. And
Asha RamaKrishna (07:32):
the part wrestling and the mystery of
marketing, the thing that isahead of its time, is that you
just really do have to wrestlewith it, and you have to pull
from here and pull from here andpull from here, and like, Okay,
am I explaining it? I think it'sless that Sometimes it can be
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that people are shy to bevisible, but I think it's more
that some of these people justhave such a deep service,
purpose, dharma, that it livesin many realms of the mystery,
and so you're trying to pullfrom the twelfth dimension. And
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then how do I make it so thatsomeone who's here in this
dimension in this moment who'scontending with very alive
things like kids being aroundand Apple
Kate Northrup (08:29):
sauce sticks.
Asha RamaKrishna (08:29):
Applesauce in the chair and living and tending
to our families and all thiskind of stuff. How do we
remember that these other realmsare also here just to be of
service to?
Kate Northrup (08:48):
And as I'm listening to you, what I'm so
aware of is that as businessowners, as people who are
marketing, what you were sayingis you're here to steward this
particular body of work. And andand right now, it's around
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sacred commerce, and we're gonnadive into what that means and
what are the elements and how wecan bring that into our own
lives and businesses and andlives whether we have businesses
or not. And what I'm aware of isthat marketing can feel to me
sometimes very I don't want tosay robotic is not the word, but
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it can just feel very three d,and I'm so and I love, I do, I
love marketing. I love it, butthe part of it I love is what
you are touching on, which isbeing a weaver between the
unseen and the seen, andactually understanding that as
someone who is bringing a bodyof work to the world and
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stewarding that body of work,that it is our responsibility to
speak on behalf of what iswanting to come and further our
culture forward in a particularway. And for some people, they
are gonna just be really aheadof the curve, and so it may not
like super hit in this lifetimein the way that, you know, Goop
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did.
Like, let's say, write like thevagina. They're like, this this
candle smells like my vagina.That was like a moment in time.
That wouldn't have worked in thesixties. I'm sure somebody had
an idea, but like, right?
It worked in '20 whatever whenGwyneth Paltrow came out with
that candle, and I'm suresomebody on her team came up
with the idea. So I'm justexcited about this idea that we
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can our personality selves, ourego selves can step further into
the background to be able tosteward these bodies of work and
speak on behalf of them onbehalf of the divine, not so
much on behalf of, like, hey. Iwanna be visible. But it's like,
no. No.
No. No. Sacred commerce needs tobe out here for more people, so,
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like, let me do everything I cando on the human sphere to
support that.
Asha RamaKrishna (11:16):
Yeah. It's really the priestessing of a
body of work. And I want to comeback to what you said about
being ahead of our time, right?Because I will say that this
body of work came to me in 2015,and I started bringing it out,
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but it also needed to grow withme, grow with the way that I was
looking at businesses, sodifferent kinds of businesses,
the way that I supporteddifferent businesses or the way
that I was stewarding my ownbusinesses, and there is
something about the tenacity ofcontinuing with the thing that
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it may not feel like it's fullycooked, but it's gonna be.
Kate Northrup (12:04):
And so if you don't mind telling us, what is
sacred commerce? Okay. So I knewyou were gonna ask me that. And
answer in whatever way you want.You could answer in
Asha RamaKrishna (12:22):
an interpretive And I think I
didn't sleep because I was like,how am I gonna answer this? But
something
Kate Northrup (12:28):
And luckily, we have the whole episode to answer
that question.
Asha RamaKrishna (12:31):
Alright. Beautiful. Because yesterday,
you and I had a conversationabout personal decisions that we
were making, and you said it's afeeling, and you didn't need to
say anything. Right? Because itstuck with me because what I
felt was that you pulled from arealm and you couldn't unfeel
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that thing.
And in many ways, sacredcommerce is that because it is
this emergent thing. Part ofwhat we're proposing here is
that we know that capitalismdoesn't exactly work for
everybody. Right? It's not meantto, first of all. It wasn't
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structured to work foreverybody.
It was meant to benefit certainpeople. Right? And so what I'm
proposing is a bridge because wecan't also Many of us don't have
the privilege of saying, Well,I'm opting out. Peace I'm not
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doing this. I'm gonna have ahomestead.
No, I'm putting kids throughcollege. I'm taking care of my
mom. Also, I don't want my kidsto be responsible for me when
I'm in my, you know, elder shipyears. And so I have a personal
responsibility to be in thesystem, but also help evolve it.
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Because like any evolutionaryprocess, it takes time.
Right? And you have to plant theright seeds at the right time
sometimes, and if it's not theright time, we'll keep watering
the thing, and maybe you getsomebody to put fertilizer in
and collaborating, and thesymbiosis allows for the thing
that felt like it was ahead ofits time for other people to be
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like, Oh, now it's ripe. Like,Now is the right time. So that
feeling is really about a fewthings, that we get to feel
good. I think that's a lot ofyour work too, right, is
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teaching people how to haveharmonious nervous systems.
Kate Northrup (14:53):
Yeah. Right? That actually it is our bodies,
especially as women, but allhumans' bodies, are designed for
pleasure. That's actually theway we were designed. We have an
entire organ in the female bodydedicated to pleasure.
That's its only function. That'sthe clitoris. Why is it that we
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would be born that way if weweren't meant to feel good? And
yet, so many thousands of yearsof religious programming, of all
sorts of patriarchalindoctrination have conditioned
us to believe that sufferingbuys us something, and that a
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certain amount of suffering isrequired in order to quote
unquote earn the right to feelgood. Yeah.
Right? And then there's all theyears of oppression, like, it's
just it's a quagmire, and yetfeeling good is part of the
metabolism of that history.Yeah. And I'm curious with the
Asha RamaKrishna (16:03):
Blue Lotus. Because it is an aphrodisiac.
Oh. Yeah. Really?
Yeah. Cool. I know. That's sointeresting.
Kate Northrup (16:13):
I know. Okay. So as we draw up to be born in the
mud, in the muck, in thedarkness, which we all were born
in the dark, Right? Like, that'swhere we all come from. There's
an element of then coming intothe sun, blossoming, becoming
becoming that flower, and thatthere's some inherent property
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in that that actually turns onour pleasure centers.
Am I understanding thiscorrectly?
Asha RamaKrishna (16:39):
I guess I would say that I mean, it's a
big mystery, right? Which is thebest. Yeah, because part of my
uncovering in leadingpilgrimages to Egypt and India
is really being a student ofwhat have people done before?
Yes. You know, I am not one, asmuch as we can romanticize the
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ways of the past, I think it'sbeautiful, and there's a part
that we do need to sort ofconnect to that, there's also a
reason why it's not why certaintraditions or certain ways of
being are not current right now.
Kate Northrup (17:17):
Thank you for the sanity of that.
Asha RamaKrishna (17:19):
Uh-huh.
Kate Northrup (17:19):
I just really want to earmark how sane that is
because there is such a tendencyto just be like, Oh no, it Oh
was no, it was and it's like,Yeah, well, it's not happening
now and there's probably a goodreason.
Asha RamaKrishna (17:34):
Yeah, there probably is a good reason, and
also because this is the timethat we live in now. So let's
see here. It's like, what wouldwe do? Kate and I would just
have our temple in Miami, and wewould make offerings. No, we
have to be with the people.
We have to share. Seduce peopleinto loving God is what I say is
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my job.
Kate Northrup (18:00):
I love that. Right?
Asha RamaKrishna (18:02):
It's like, come over
Kate Northrup (18:03):
here. This
Asha RamaKrishna (18:04):
is so nice. Have some tea.
Kate Northrup (18:06):
Oh, It's
Asha RamaKrishna (18:07):
so good. But but the mystery of the sun, it
actually, there's a biologicalreasons there too, which I think
you've also been connected to islike how much we have been kept
from being in the sun, and howDon't even get
Kate Northrup (18:23):
me started on the American Dermalogical Society
and how they have vilified thesun. Now obviously, sure,
clearly I'm somebody who needsto wear sunscreen, but not as
much as we
Asha RamaKrishna (18:36):
think. We need the sun. It's metabolically
important. Exactly. To start ourday, to end our day, to regulate
our hormone cascade,
Kate Northrup (18:47):
especially To feed our as mitochondria.
Asha RamaKrishna (18:49):
To feed the mitochondria. Yeah, so there's a
lot of biological things that Ithink these mysteries speak of
without speaking of them andthat we can be observers of
those mysteries and utilizeelements that make sense, you
know?
Kate Northrup (19:05):
I love that. On this day of Lakshmi
Asha RamaKrishna (19:10):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (19:10):
Yeah. Which I feel is just
Asha RamaKrishna (19:13):
A blessing.
Kate Northrup (19:13):
Such a blessing. I would love to so sacred
commerce, it sounds like, wasbefore its time in 2015. It
really is a bridge between ourcurrent system of capitalism and
and a and a more beautifulfuture that works for more
people.
Asha RamaKrishna (19:31):
That works for more people. So the first ethos
is feel good. The second ethosis be wealthy.
Kate Northrup (19:39):
Wow. And what does that mean?
Asha RamaKrishna (19:41):
Yeah. So I think it gets to mean whatever
you want it to mean for you.That's the beauty of an emergent
methodology, right, is that youget to define what wealth is for
you without, romanticizing, overspiritualizing abundance and
being like, my bank account saysnegative, but I'm abundant. Yes,
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my love, we are. And also, weneed to materialize that realm.
So it's kind of actually, it'sreally about bringing the other
realms, the other dimensions,down into this three d realm so
that it can be an overflow, sothat our normal lives can be an
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overflow. So the way that I amproposing, I think that each
person does need to havepermission to create the kind of
wealth that they want. It's alot of what I think I do. It's
like you have permission to bewealthy. You have permission to
make that much money.
You have permission to put thatmuch money away. You have
permission to invest that much,right? It's okay for us to do
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this. That does not make us lessspiritual. It doesn't.
I'm so happy that I get toprovide for my family. It brings
me a lot of joy, and I know thatwhen we're a little bit
tumbling, my daughters feel it,and it's okay as long as we have
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these very honest dialoguesabout what this means, this
doesn't define us, this momentdoesn't define us because
there's buckets of money justwaiting for us right around the
corner. So anyway, the way thatI am proposing that wealth can
happen is by us looking at whatis wealth and dharma. In this
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Sanatana dharma, there are thesefour fulfillments of the soul.
One is dharma, which is purposeor values.
Two is artha, which is actuallywealth. Third is kama, which is
pleasure. Right? It's likeyou've got to be on purpose,
you've got to have money, thenyou can enjoy the money. That's
the energy of lakshmi.
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It's the enjoyment of what istoo. And then finally is the
liberation or moksha, which Ithink traditionally they believe
that it's more like when youpass to the next realm, but I
think that there is aconversation that we can have
about what liberation looks likeright now. Right here. Yeah. And
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so knowing your dharma, knowingwhat that purpose archetype is
for you that you're here towrestle with, to contend with,
to sort of bring from the otherrealms is an important piece.
The other piece is we useastrology, and you can use other
ways of knowing yourself, butit's really about knowing
yourself. Knowing yourself andwhat actually makes the most
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sense for you to customize theway you speak about what you are
steward of, which like humandesign is amazing.
Kate Northrup (22:47):
Customize the way you speak about what you are a
steward of. So it's likebasically there's a specific way
that we were all cosmically,divinely designed for to speak
on behalf of this particularbody of work. And there are
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actually instructions for that,and they can be found in
astrology. I know you're astudent of Vedic astrology. They
can be found in human design,and I wanna come back to those
things, so I'm putting a pinthere because we're going deep
there.
But I wanna go back because yousaid part of ethos number two is
being wealthy. Yeah. And youreally give people permission.
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Yes. Like, you get to have thatamount of money.
You get to invest that. You getto be able to support your
family. You get to be able tosend your kids to college. You
get to create wealth. No.
It doesn't make you notspiritual to do those things. I
wanna dig in a little bit therebecause there's so much that
comes up for people around, isit okay? Do I get to thrive? And
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does my thriving automaticallydetract from someone else's
ability to be wealthy. What do
Asha RamaKrishna (24:10):
you think? Well, you know, I mean, I think
we're just like stepping intoethos number three, which is
give back. Okay, But give backis not just about giving to
charities. It's actually aboutwidening the scope of where you
source energy from. Because Ithink in this personal brand
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arena that we're all in
Kate Northrup (24:33):
What even is this?
Asha RamaKrishna (24:34):
I'm like, why do people want to see my photo?
Another photo of me on thisthing? And they're like, yes,
they want that. I'm like, okay.
Kate Northrup (24:40):
Isn't it wild and weird? It's super weird. But if
we can sort of be like, okay,I'm the spokesperson this body
of work, it can just be likeFair.
Asha RamaKrishna (24:50):
Cool.
Kate Northrup (24:50):
Just use my face, I guess. Exactly. Weird.
Asha RamaKrishna (24:54):
But why so in this like kind of way of
thinking about personal brands,we also have been tapping into a
limited source of our energy,which is ourselves. Yeah. That's
it. It's me. How much energy doI have?
Do I have enough time? Do I havethe capacity? What's happening
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to my kids? What's happeningpolitically? Like, how do I
contend with that?
And so when we are only sourcingfrom ourselves, then we're like,
I can't watch the news. And thenwe're not paying attention to
what's happening around theglobe and what's happening to
our siblings in other countriesthat we should should be paying
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attention because we contributeto either the well-being or not
of other nations, right? And soin this giving back, what I'm
proposing in widening the scopeis actually bringing it to
ceremony as a way to tappinginto other realms, other
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assistance, so that we open theAkash or the records of all of
life and say and the Akash says,Oh, you need something from the
three d realm. Let me help youwith that, and then you get your
Blue Lotus that you're like, Ihave to get this thing.
Kate Northrup (26:19):
Yeah, so I don't know why.
Asha RamaKrishna (26:22):
And I think that people even listening to
this know what I'm talkingabout. Totally. Right? It's like
the thing shows up and you'relike, oh, I actually thinking
about that, but there are otherrealms also that are not as
obvious, And so these otherrealms get to support us. Maybe
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when you were talking about thegoop thing and you said it was
probably somebody in her teamthat brought this idea, that is
being sourced from anotherrealm.
Right. Yeah. I mean,
Kate Northrup (26:56):
and who knows? Maybe it was Gwyneth, but
regardless. I wanna say herethat for those listening where
it's like, okay, so Asha, weschedule the day today. I have
no idea it's the day of Lakshmi.I know nothing about Blue Lotus.
I happen to order Blue Lotus. Iwear a dress with Blue Lotus.
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Asha has this beautiful tattooof Blue Lotus She on her brings
the Blue Lotus offering becauseit is the offering of sacred
commerce, and this body of workis really ripe. So there's this
invitation that's alwaysavailable. And like, this can be
our daily lives.
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I imagine this sort of thinghappens to you all the time.
Like for some people, it's like,oh, that sort of thing is just
like random coincidence. Oh,weird. That one time 10 ago that
that yeah. No.
Like, I imagine that's how youlive. Is that true? I mean, for
some of the time. For some ofthe time. Right.
Asha RamaKrishna (27:57):
Yeah. Course. I mean, you know, have my
moments.
Kate Northrup (28:00):
But this could be our way. Like being that
supported by all the unseenrealms, it could be that easy,
which goes back to feel good.
Asha RamaKrishna (28:11):
I think it's I deeply believe that this is the
way. I deeply believe that thisthe way, and I am in pursuit of
how that gets to be more andmore and more for me, for my
loved ones, and for people who Iimpact. It's the belief, it's
the feeling. We go back tofeeling. I believe there can be
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another way.
And I wanted to come back towhat you said about all the
things that surface, coming backto like, Oh, be wealthy, like,
right? I come from Venezuela, soI'm Indian in Venezuela, and
many of us who are immigrantshave this survival guilt, this
sort of like, I'm doing well,and then if we have family
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members watching us on socialmedia, it's like, What? You live
that way? And I think that thathappens even if you're not an
immigrant, right? If you'reaware of the world, you know
that the way that you liveencompasses privilege,
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encompasses blessings, and wedon't know what to do with that
part of life that is a lakshmi,opposite of lakshmi.
Okay. Right? That is devoid offeeling gratitude, that is
devoid of feeling the pleasuresof life. And it's a complex
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thing to address for sure inpodcast episode, You in one
could
Kate Northrup (29:46):
write a full dissertation
Asha RamaKrishna (29:48):
Around all of this. I still believe that it is
our birthright to be wealthy.And so the more and more people
who believe this, who have thisfeeling I may in this moment, my
bank account may look a certainway, but I have this feeling
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that I am meant to embodyLakshmi. The more and more and
more people who ground thatrealm of Lakshmi, the more that
we start solving this. Now, thatdoesn't mean that you're on your
own, right?
Kate Northrup (30:28):
Like I'm doing Lakshmi over here, you do you.
That's not what you're saying.
Asha RamaKrishna (30:33):
I'm a little saying that, but I'm also saying
because you've widened thescope, because it's not just
about you as an individual, bothfrom an energetic standpoint and
also from a financialstandpoint, widen that scope
too. Widen the scope of what doyou want to contribute to
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flourishing in life? For me,it's buying land back. We've
started as a family to buy landfor conservation, but I really
want to be on the trajectory ofbuying land back for indigenous
tribes. My huge why, right?
I have my immediate whys ofretirement, college, da da da,
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that huge why is like, oh, I'dlove to be a part of freeing
lands.
Kate Northrup (31:25):
And is that in The United States? Is that
globally?
Asha RamaKrishna (31:28):
I mean, we started in our backyard,
literally in our backyard. Wegot together with neighbors and
we bought 10 acres so that it'sconservation land. So it
benefits everybody, right?
Kate Northrup (31:40):
Yes, it does.
Asha RamaKrishna (31:41):
Green benefits everybody, and then the next
Kate Northrup (31:43):
Hello, just like, let's just talk about oxygen.
Yes. Basic. Yes, yes, and
Asha RamaKrishna (31:48):
freeing it up so that not another house gets
built. Like, do we really needmore houses built? I don't know.
Kate Northrup (31:54):
Actually, we we don't. There's a there's a
currently today, there's moreinventory than necessary in
certain markets. I mean, course,that's
Asha RamaKrishna (32:04):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (32:04):
That is a vast oversimplification. But I also
wanna say for anyone listeningwho's still got the little, I
don't know. The data actuallydoes show us that there are
enough resources on planet Earthto for everyone to live a good
life. This is true. This is inthe book The Sum of Us by
Heather McGhee.
This is in the book The Soul ofMoney. It speaks to Buckminster
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Fuller's work. And so I justwant to say that because it is a
beautiful spiritual principlethat the that the zero sum model
is not true. And actually, it istrue that there are enough
resources. Now the way resourcesare used, the distribution of
(32:46):
resources, like, that all aresystems that need to be
reinvented.
But for anybody just curious,like, there's enough.
Asha RamaKrishna (32:56):
There's enough.
Kate Northrup (32:57):
And and my thriving actually, literally,
right, like in just even in theway the banking system works in
The United States, right, when Iearn money and I put it in the
bank, it literally immediatelygoes out to be loaned to
somebody else. Like, that's howbanking works.
Asha RamaKrishna (33:13):
Mhmm.
Kate Northrup (33:13):
So literally, when money comes into me, it
unless I'm keeping it under mymattress, which I'm not, that
would be ridiculous, it is goingimmediately.
Asha RamaKrishna (33:23):
It's circulating.
Kate Northrup (33:24):
It is circulating. Even if I'm just
keeping it in my high yieldsavings account. Right? Like,
it's high yield because they'relending it out to somebody else
to then use it for theirbusiness, for their mortgage,
for their, you know, who evenknows what. That's so cool.
Not to mention the fact that, ofcourse, like, you know, it
blesses your children to theirgoing to college. Now they're
gonna bless other people withtheir vocations and their
(33:45):
presence and, you know, andbeing able to hire people and
being able to create anincredible work environment
where people can take enoughtime off and be with their
families and go to the soccergame at three in the afternoon.
Like, all that stuff. Like, itreally does matter. Those sorts
of things are abundance.
Like, far beyond money in yourbank account is is is time, is
is joy. Of course. Okay. So wegot to ethos three. Yeah.
(34:10):
I wanna know, do you wanna godeeper into the layers of sacred
commerce, or do we wanna circleback to Vedic astrology and
human design and getting theinstructions for how you are
meant to bring your body of workto the world?
Asha RamaKrishna (34:22):
Think the final thing I would say about
giving back is that part ofbridging from capitalism is that
in that widening of the scope,also having us think of what do
I want to contribute in? What doI wanna amplify in this world?
(34:44):
And giving of our energy or ofour ecosystem that we build to
support that as a part of it.Even the notion of using an
offering for a body of workplugs me into a certain plant.
It's so good.
(35:05):
Right? Even that And so then,even if I don't know everything
there is to know about BlueLotus, my curiosity has peaked
year after year after year. Imean, it's been at least five
years that I've been in themystery of the Blue Lotus, and I
just found out, like two weeksago, that it definitely has a
(35:30):
component in my lineage thatrelates to the womb, that
relates to the sacred sexuality,that relates to purifying all
the things that we hold as humanand soul beings that have lived
through things and, we'recarrying certain things and has
(35:53):
part of its role is thepurification of that. So I also
think that, oh yeah, part of itsrole is also to anoint us with
pleasure, with power, withwealth, and what does it mean
when we broaden that scope andsay, I'm a steward of that for
(36:17):
beyond just myself.
Kate Northrup (36:19):
Right. Like on behalf of my corner of the
universe, I'm doing this. Andwhat's so cool about an offering
that is a living being, likeflower, is that there is an
essence. There is a frequency.So whether you are mentally
knowing all the things aboutBlue Lotus or not, and of
(36:42):
course, like you're learningevery day, it's working no
matter what.
And that's what's so powerfulabout essential oils, about
offerings, about working withthese different essences. They
are working on us. Yeah. Withoutus needing really to do a whole
lot about it, which I reallylove because it breaks down the
(37:03):
construct of like I'm onlyvaluable, I'm only doing
something. I'm only valuable,I'm only worthy if I'm doing.
It can be done for us and Andthrough
Asha RamaKrishna (37:15):
I also wanna bring up that every body of work
that someone is stewarding isworking at different realms,
therefore there probably is anoffering for your body of work
and for someone else's body ofwork.
Kate Northrup (37:33):
And how might someone connect with that? Like
if I wanted to connect in withthe offering related to relaxed
money, how might I start withthat?
Asha RamaKrishna (37:45):
Yeah. I mean, my eyes went to your flower.
Kate Northrup (37:48):
Was brought by a guest last week on the podcast.
She just showed up with aflower. It was so nice. What is
that flower? I'm not good atthat.
My mom's really amazing at
Asha RamaKrishna (38:00):
that, so I wanna say chrysanthemum, but no,
right? I don't know.
Kate Northrup (38:03):
Maybe. I don't know. I'll text my mom a photo
later and
Asha RamaKrishna (38:06):
ask her. But I think it's first starting with
curiosity. It's okay to not getit right the first time. It's
like, oh, you know, I thinkstarting with the basics is
always good. Right?
Frankincense, gold, myrrh, startwith those. The three kings. You
know, queens, whatever,magicians. Right? The three
(38:28):
magicians.
Kate Northrup (38:29):
Yeah. Start
Asha RamaKrishna (38:31):
with those.
Kate Northrup (38:31):
Great. I love that.
Asha RamaKrishna (38:32):
Yeah. And then, you know, for people who
are connected to Mary Magdalene,then it's Frank Spikenard. Oh.
Right? So start with that.
Whatever it is that feels likeit's a part of you, start with
that, and then it gets to evolveand be like, oh, you're playing
in this realm of ceremony? Well,here's this other thing. Right.
Kate Northrup (38:56):
Because when you open the door, it then knows
it's welcome. Yes. Yeah. Yes.Okay.
That's really cool. And wecreated this Well, I partnered
with someone named Robin Jonesto create a relaxed money blend
that she really she's likeessentially like is an olfactory
divination person. Like, she'sshe's a a nose diviner, and she
(39:23):
was able to call in through hervast multi decade knowledge of
flower of of plants vibrationand essential oil. And also just
because she's super psychic, shewas able to call in the absolute
perfect oils to create thisrelaxed money blend to be a
quickening agent for the work.So it may be our offerings ever
(39:46):
like multilayered with manydifferent because maybe we
already have it with the RelaxedOf Money
Asha RamaKrishna (39:52):
course, and it gets to evolve. Maybe it's then
deciphering, well, what are theelements that are in the blend
and what are those plantsExactly or what what those they
mean? What's the energy? Yeah,and then bringing the physical.
Because there's a distillationprocess with the oils, which is
beautiful, but there's alsosomething really beautiful about
(40:13):
having the actual plant.
Oh,
Kate Northrup (40:15):
I'm gonna do that when I teach the program. I'm
gonna bring them into my space,like the physical plants of all
of them.
Asha RamaKrishna (40:23):
Thank you for that. That's really powerful.
Isn't it beautiful to just lookat the petals?
Kate Northrup (40:29):
Right? If I were
Asha RamaKrishna (40:30):
to put oil in there, which
Kate Northrup (40:32):
No. Wouldn't don't see it. Yeah. The blue
lotus oil,
Asha RamaKrishna (40:35):
think, would be, like, nasty to take But this
kinda lets you tap into theother realm, the mystery of the
thing.
Kate Northrup (40:43):
Yeah. And to just be with it.
Asha RamaKrishna (40:45):
And to just be with it, and then it gets to
inform you. It gets to informyou in your sleep, it gets to
inform you when you're writingcopy, it gets to inform you when
you're speaking into the camera,it gets to inform you in ways
that, yes, our logical brainsare not going to get, and part
of this moving, bridging fromcapitalism is merging the
(41:08):
magical and the logical, mergingthe sun and the lunar, merging
the heaven and the earth. It isabout that, because today, one
overrides the other. 100%. So inorder to bring back to harmony
(41:31):
and to balance, we have to playwith this.
Do you notice how quiet it got?Uh-huh. Like, that is
information. I can't evenbelieve how quiet it got. I have
no idea what was making soundbefore, but something got really
quiet as a way of even listeningto that, leaning into that.
(41:55):
Parts of us are like, Oh, wait,what?
Kate Northrup (41:57):
Yeah. And if we are paying attention, the
universe is speaking at alltimes through everything. Yeah.
So one of the ways that we aregiven instructions is through
our astrological charts andthrough our human design. Yeah.
And obviously, you have a vastknowledge of both of these
(42:20):
systems. You co wrote anincredible book about human
design specifically, and youstudy Vedic astrology. And so
I'm just curious, first of all,I'm going to sneeze. You can
just edit that out. I'm curiousif you can invite us into how
(42:46):
your knowledge of astrology,your knowledge of human design,
how we can start to figure outwhat our instructions are using
those modalities for sharing ourbody of work in specific ways
that we're designed for.
Because it's not you know, theway you would do it is not the
same I would do it. And and and,you know, the problem with the
internet is we can just see somuch of what everyone else is
(43:09):
doing, or at least a verycurated version of it. And so it
can really kick up this feelingof like, oh, they're doing it
like that. That's working. Ishould do it like that.
And in fact, that's not our bestplace to start. Probably our own
design and our own astrology isa much better grounding place.
Asha RamaKrishna (43:25):
I think it's a starting point, and I I think a
lot of Vedic astrologers differin the way they see this. Like,
I just heard that this personthat I really respect thinks
that our astrology is 70% andour free will is 30%. And I'm
like, I think it's the opposite.I think that our astrology is a
(43:47):
starting point of when themoment we were born. And as we
bring consciousness and truthand bliss, we get to explore
evolution from that.
So I think at any point, ifastrology is boxing you in, that
may not be the way to use it.It's meant to liberate you. It's
(44:10):
meant to let you have a startingpoint. I just wanted to say that
because I think that we canbecome so attached to whatever
the thing is in that we forgetthat actually what we're
intended to do is to begin toliberate from the karmic cycle
and come into a dharmic cycle.And how we come into a dharmic
(44:33):
cycle, aside from knowing whatyour archetype is to work on in
this lifetime, is also theexploration of the other
archetypes within the chart.
Now that may not help somebodywho's like, Wait, okay, but
let's come back. Let's comeback, Asha. I wanna bring that
up because it's also aboutopening the scope of not tying
(44:53):
you in. If at any point you feeltied or bound by your chart, I
don't think it's the correctuse. I think you're staying in a
karmic cycle.
So coming back, the way that Iinterpret, the way that I look
at someone's business and theway they want to make money is I
(45:18):
use the Vedic astrology chart tosort of understand the big soul
messages. How you communicate,how you synthesize emotional and
mental information, what you'rehere to bring forth and evolve.
Human design is one of my loves.I came into human design twenty
(45:40):
years ago, if you can believethat. My daughter was three
years old.
Kate Northrup (45:44):
Very early adopter.
Asha RamaKrishna (45:46):
Yes. But I was in a place, my daughter is a
reflector, and I was in a placeas a mother down on my knees of
like, I don't know what to dowith this kid. We had essential
oils, we had lavender baths,dimming the lights. We were
doing everything and this kidwas still you know, definitely
(46:07):
not harmony. Wow.
And her name is Dharma, by theway.
Kate Northrup (46:11):
Of course it is.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:12):
So I was like, I left my job. I mean, I was
like, how do I really How do Ibring peace to my home? And
someone said, Have you triedhuman design? And I was like,
No, bring it on. We were thisshort of going to Guatemala to
go see a shaman, And you had myfirst was like back when it was
(46:36):
like tele classes, right?
Kate Northrup (46:39):
I love a good tele seminar.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:40):
That was so fun, right?
Kate Northrup (46:41):
Live for them.
Asha RamaKrishna (46:42):
You know? And then I made the mistake of
having, well, not the mistake,it was great. My partner, Glenn,
was in the class, and it was allabout raising kids using human
design and we were both on thereand early on we started learning
about it. So for I would say thefirst seven years, for me it was
just I started seeing what Ineeded to do to bring harmony to
(47:06):
the space, and then I took it tomyself like, oh, okay, how does
this work for me? How does thiswork for my marriage?
And then people started askingme about business, like how do I
use that for business? And sothat's kind of how it evolved.
And for me, it's like I loveastrology, but there's something
(47:28):
about human design for me thatreally makes it so specific and
so practical. And it allowssomebody to have an evolutionary
process with a certain energy.Even how you market, even who is
attracted to you, like, whateverthing they're going through in
(47:50):
life Remember how yesterday Iwas saying to you, you're like,
What's a four one?
I'm like, Oh, I'm the kind ofperson that people come to when
they're at a crossroads. NiceNice to to know for your
marketing.
Kate Northrup (48:01):
Hang out a shingle. I talk about that. It's
so straightforward.
Asha RamaKrishna (48:06):
Yeah.
Kate Northrup (48:06):
Okay. So I think many people listening know about
the high level types. Yeah. Andthen just, you know, I know that
this is like, again, we couldtalk for a year long class about
human design in business. Yeah.
But if you were to give us onenugget that somebody could go
look into in their own humandesign that would support them
(48:30):
in their business, what mightthat be? Beautiful. Two things.
Asha RamaKrishna (48:37):
First is taking a look at how many open
centers you have and how manydefined centers you have. The
number of open centers speaks toyour sensitivity to other people
around you, and that's hugeinformation. We're talking about
nervous system. How do yousource yourself so that you can
(49:00):
show up to the thing that yousteward? Where you have
definition, you haveconsistency.
So it's just kind of good toknow what's the balance here,
Right? General. Second, maybemore super specific, so part of
why I wanted to coauthor thatbook, Your Soul Map, is I wanted
(49:21):
to speak to the part of humandesign that is about re
indigenizing the parts, becausehuman design really comes from
the foundation of the I Ching,of the Hindu chakra system, of
the Kabbalah, of quantummechanics. And I wanted to
reindigenize those parts. And soto that, if you were to look at
(49:47):
your whole chart, all thenumbers, all the colors, like
the lines, everything, just knowthat everything in your chart is
intended to support the fullexpression of your conscious
sun, and we come back to the sunagain, right?
Not only biologically connect toit, connect to the sunrise and
the sunset, but also you have avery unique expression of what
(50:11):
you're here to fully express andshine about, And all the other
things get to support that.
Kate Northrup (50:17):
And that's your conscious son? That's your
conscious You're here to fullyconsciously Yes. Express.
Asha RamaKrishna (50:22):
And you can get fancier and then go to the
unconscious side with the rednumbers. You know, you can can
do that. But that's the numberone. Number two within that
specificity would be to look atthe incarnation cross, which is
your conscious sun, consciousearth, unconscious sun,
unconscious earth, and the playof those. The way that I propose
(50:46):
people get to know that is byreading the stories of the I
Ching because it's an oraltradition.
It's like why people listen tothis conversation versus reading
your blog about the thing.Totally. Right? There is an oral
tradition. There is somethingthat happens that emerges and
that people go like, Oh, that'sfor me.
(51:07):
Yeah. Right? And when you readstories, even if we are, you
know, like, I don't have timefor that. I don't have time for
stories. We are transformed bystories.
Kate Northrup (51:18):
Yeah, we are. And we remember them. It goes in in
a different part of our brainthat it like gets back, gets
through the front guards in acomplete, like it's like stories
go in the back door or the sidedoor. You know, it's like the
third door, that it's just, youdon't have to go through the
velvet ropes, you don't have towait in line, like It's not
(51:40):
being guarded by the prefrontalcortex and all the logic and all
the, right? It goes in.
Asha RamaKrishna (51:46):
And from your work, why do you see that we
have such a resistance to that?To Stories. To I listening to
Kate Northrup (51:56):
think it's because we've been conditioned
to be hyper masculine andlogical, and that things need to
make sense, and things need tohave a purpose, and things need
to be linear, and things need tobe informational, and things
need to have an immediate ROI,and we've lost touch with the
mystery, and we've lost touchwith the results that are
(52:17):
invisible. So story is like,what's valuable about that? I
mean, literally everything. Butif we can't be like, oh, that's
marketable in X, Y, Z way andgonna get you an ROI of this,
then it's been cast out. And I'mso grateful to live at a time
where we're just right endingthat.
(52:38):
Mhmm. You know? Mhmm. Okay. Ilove this so much.
So the incarnation cross, andspecifically, we would read the
pieces of the I Ching that haveto do with those particular
numbers when we go to the andsome people I just want you to
know, like, I I know that somepeople are listening to this and
have no freaking clue what we'retalking about, and what you can
(52:59):
do is you can read Asha's bookand learn about this. And then
you can also go do your researchabout the incarnation cross in
your human design, and theinformation is out there. So let
this be that initiation point.If you're feeling excited, even
if you're confused, just learnmore.
Asha RamaKrishna (53:17):
Yeah. And you know, as I'm right now teaching
people how to be like level onehuman design readers, I was, you
know, I opened up my own book,and I was like, actually this is
a really good resource becausein this resource we look at high
expression, low expression. Anda little bit more like nuggets
(53:41):
here for marketers, you can lookat those low expression, high
expressions as the way that youeducate people on bringing them
from the low expression to highexpression. Woah.
Kate Northrup (53:55):
Right? Oh, I'm so excited about that. K. Pulling
out your book today to learnmore. And you know what use case
I'm thinking of as you're sayingthis?
So I've been and this is likefully Yeah. On a whole different
direction, but I've beentraining a Claude AI content
creator assistant.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:13):
Uh-huh.
Kate Northrup (54:14):
And one of the ways I'm gonna use this is to
bring this information in tofeed into my project knowledge
database so that Claude, whenthey're helping me with my
marketing and copy, can weave inmy highest expression traits and
also the bringing my people fromtheir lowest expression into
(54:36):
their highest expression in theway that I'm meant to do it.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Kate Northrup (54:41):
Like that's a fun thing.
Asha RamaKrishna (54:42):
Yeah, because I think sometimes when we're in
our genius, we don't reallyactually know what we're doing.
Kate Northrup (54:48):
I would say nearly 100% of
Asha RamaKrishna (54:50):
the time. Yeah, so we don't know what
we're doing, and so sometimesit's like we've gotta look at a
map and say, Oh, that's who Iam. By a certain seasoned age,
you've pretty much addressedsome of the things in your
unconscious side, right? Youknow. Maybe when you're 20, you
don't know, and it's goodinformation to have, like, Oh,
(55:12):
this is what I'm growing into.
I look at the conscious as like,you're fully aware, this is you,
this is a part of you that youknow, and then the unconscious
is the part that life presentsto you so that you get to know.
Kate Northrup (55:25):
Yeah. So beautiful. Okay. Yes. As we land
the plane here, is thereanything else that you would
want people to know about sacredcommerce and this body of work
that you are currently usheringinto the world, because now is
its time?
Asha RamaKrishna (55:41):
Yeah. Thank you. I do even though the the
astrology can be super sexy andso many layers to it, I really
feel deeply know that knowingthe archetypal soul energy that
(56:02):
you are here to embody isessential. When I received that
I have the archetype ofPriestess, I was a molecular
biologist. I, you know, I waslike, I don't know what that is,
but I am deeply intrigued.
Kate Northrup (56:21):
How did you receive that information?
Asha RamaKrishna (56:22):
So part of what I now do is that I offer
people a way to know what yourdharma type is. But at that
time, I went to go see thiskarma healer, who's a Sufi karma
healer. My youngest was two. Andhe said, You are a priestess.
Kate Northrup (56:43):
And you're like, No, I'm a molecular.
Asha RamaKrishna (56:45):
Yeah. I'm like, What? I am a struggling
mother. Thank you very much.
Kate Northrup (56:50):
That's amazing.
Asha RamaKrishna (56:52):
And twenty years later, my deep curiosity
of what that meant in my day today life I have a life where I'm
like, My life requires a lot outof me, right? And weaving this
(57:16):
mystical side with this verylogical, pragmatic side was an
endeavor. You know, maybe again,back to what we were saying,
ahead of its time, but also thepursuit of the thing that is
ahead of its time. Now it's likeeveryone's a priestess. Yay.
Kate Northrup (57:34):
Mean, maybe not Maybe in our circles.
Asha RamaKrishna (57:37):
Yeah. Maybe in our circle.
Kate Northrup (57:38):
Know, if if nine times out of 10, if you say
you're a priestess, people arelike, what? What? But, yeah, a
100%. Okay. That's reallybeautiful.
So you do have that offering,and is that part of when
somebody joins your Mastermind,your Sacred Commerce Mastermind,
is that something that theyreceive?
Asha RamaKrishna (57:56):
Yes, and it's also available for anyone, too.
Kate Northrup (57:59):
Great. Yeah. Okay. Amazing. That's really
cool.
That's such a beautifuloffering.
Asha RamaKrishna (58:04):
Yeah, because it's not about archetype work,
it's about connecting to thoseother realms of what has my soul
come here to be and express, andsometimes it's growing into that
thing.
Kate Northrup (58:18):
Yeah. Like me, you know? Oh, yeah. Totally. So
beautiful.
Thank you for being here. Thankyou for showing up on this day
It in feels really magical, andmystical and just, yeah, really
perfect. So if people want toconnect with you, learn more,
buy your book, join your things,where should they go? What
(58:41):
should they do?
Asha RamaKrishna (58:42):
So if they want that dharma type, so the
website, ashayisnow Great. Andforward slash soul Awesome. S o
u l.
Kate Northrup (58:49):
We'll put it in the show notes.
Asha RamaKrishna (58:50):
Thank you. Then Instagram is where I really
like putting the efforting ofspeaking about what sacred
commerce is and how we can beseduced into bridging away from
capitalism.
Kate Northrup (59:06):
It's so exciting. It's so exciting. I'm I'm
really, like, thrilled to have afront row seat to what you are
creating. It feels reallyresonant with me.
Asha RamaKrishna (59:14):
So Thank you.
Kate Northrup (59:14):
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