139: Shadow Money, Frequency & How Money Heals Through Us with The Money Shaman

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Ry Schwartz (00:00):
Money can find me even when I'm a hot mess. Right?

(00:02):
Money can find me even when I'mso imperfect and dealing with so
much of my own inner b s that Iam not evaded by money. And that
just relax my own system. Right?
It relax my system so much whenI can feel like I'm available to
money even when. Right? And ifthis consciousness of money has
this intelligence and thisgrace, as long as I'm creating

(00:25):
this agreement of like, youknow, right now I am in intense
victimhood and limitation and Iwelcome you.

Kate Northrup (00:31):
Have you ever thought that money is a
consciousness? So today, I havekind of an eye opening
conversation with the moneyshaman aka Hendrix Black. These
are both pen names of thisparticular person, and he is a
really revolutionary thinkerabout energy and frequency and

(00:54):
the consciousness and encodingof money. So if you are really
wanting to open up to magnetizemore abundance to heal your
relationship with money, thisconversation is a must listen to
because he talks about anddescribes powerful practices

(01:14):
that we can all do to transmuteour energetics around money in
real time. So enjoy theconversation with the money
shaman.
Welcome to Plenty. I'm your hostKate Northrup and together we
are going on a journey to helpyou have an incredible
relationship with money, time,and energy. And to have

(01:40):
abundance on every possiblelevel. Every week, we're gonna
dive in with experts andinsights to help you unlock a
life of plenty. Let's go fillour cups.

Disclaimer (01:54):
Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the
guests on the Plenty podcast arenot necessarily reflective of
the opinions and perspectives ofKate Northrup or anyone who
works within the Kate Northrupbrand.

Hi. Hey. Welcome. Thank you for being here. I love

how you just switched that on.

That was so cool. Yeah. You're just like Like da.
My show started.

If I go from like cold to like a warm hay, like
it's gonna come out so awkward.It's like, hey. No. That was
awesome.

Actually, we had a voice lady on this morning,
Tracy Goodwin, and, we discussedhow within seven seconds,
someone has decided based onyour opening Right. If they
trust you, if they feelconnected to you, and if you're
authentic, and whether or notthey would buy from you. Gosh.
No pressure. Yeah.
Talked about how turning that onthat fast and being like,
welcome or whatever is actuallyprobably terrible for business.

(02:42):
So Yeah. That's a whole otherconversation.

I know. Right?

But but anyway. Cool. Yes. Welcome to Miami.

I am so happy to be here.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Money. Money.
Yeah. So you've been a writerfor a long time.

Long time. Yeah.

Money writing. Making money Yes. Making money
writing. So you are aprofessional writer. Yep.
Have been for twenty years.Started off in screenwriting?

Started off in screenwriting in 2000 I would
say. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

It's been

a while. Okay. So you just had stories in your
head, and you wanted to writethem down? Or how did that
happen?

Yeah. So, I mean, I went more through it like a
traditional schooling path,marketing, that whole jam.
Started working in corporate andit was in 02/1967. So I had
always like been a storyteller,not like a verbal storyteller.
Right?
I was like the quiet kid in thecorner. He's like, don't talk to
me about anything. Right? Yeah.But in my alone space bubble,

(03:37):
right?
It was like nothing but story,nothing but character, nothing
but arcs. Right? And evolutionsand you know, all these journeys
that I wanted to experience inmy own body Mhmm. Yet didn't
have enough form and enough lifeto actually live out. Right?
So I created characters to livethese stories out essentially.
And that was always true. Right?Like, my idea of fun as like a

(04:00):
15 year old kid was sitting in acoffee shop with like one of my
three friends and talking aboutstories. Right?

Yeah. And

one day, like when I was like 15 or 16, like, me
and my friend were talking aboutstories. Right? And we're like,
how cool would it be about tohave a story about this guy who
ages in reverse. Right? I'mlike, I should totally write
that.
And I didn't. And then in02/1967, Benjamin Bunn comes out
and I'm watching the trailer andI'm like, Hollywood stole it.

(04:28):
You know? And of course, theydidn't. I found out later it was
a short story in 1912 from likeScott F.
Fitzgerald. Right? But in my inmy mind, they stole And I'm
like, they'll never do thatagain.

Yeah.

Right? Yeah. I hated my job. Right? Hated my
corporate job.
And this was kind of like, yeah,at the beginning of kinda like
February when, you know,recession was hitting and
layoffs were coming from everydirection. I'm like, I wanna get
laid off. I wanna writescreenplays all day. So I

(04:58):
started learning how to writescripts, like, at the office,
like, in the cubicle. Yeah.
And the stories just startedflowing. And I wrote my first
screenplay, like, literally,like, while trying to get laid
off. And I didn't get laid off,so I just quit and started
writing full time right thereand then. And I was so naive and

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that was such a superpower atthat time. Right?
Like, I thought it should beeasy. I felt entitled to the
ease of, of course this is gonnahappen. Right? And these rules
of it being hard to break injust never felt like they
applied. I'm like, that'ssomeone else's game.
Like, that's not my game. So Iremember like sitting in

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suburban Montreal, right? Justlike getting lists of agents and
production companies. And youknow, the first time I saw CAA,
which is like the biggest agencythere, I'm like, CAA? I'll call
CAA.
Why wouldn't I call CAA?

Off CAA. I think

I I think I literally like called CAA and
got the receptionist. I'm like,is this CAA? And, you know,
quick hang up. But there wasjust like such a belief in what
I was doing and such a belief inthe stories I was telling that
I'm like, of course, this isgonna happen. So within a matter
of like two or three months, Ihad my first manager in that
space and Wow.

(06:15):
Things just kind of likestarted, you know, spiraling
from there. So,

yeah. Was cool.

It was so much fun.

Yeah. So much fun. Yeah. I think that what
you're speaking to about justbeing like, oh, yeah. No.
This being hard doesn't apply tome. Right. That's not gonna be
my experience, is probably whyyou just took all the actions
you took, and why it did end upbeing perhaps easier Right. Than
it might be for someone who hasthe paradigm that it's gonna be

(06:44):
hard.

Reflected on that, and I think there was a huge
advantage in living in Montrealat the time. Right? And not in
whatever morphic field iscreated out of Hollywood
screenwriting and what it meansto be one and what it means to
try to break in as one. Right?And I never got exposure to the
quote unquote agreements thatpeople make when they play that

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game.
Right? Like it just wasn't Youjust

didn't know.

It wasn't part of my reality. Right?

Beautiful.

So in the agreement I made around a screenwriting
career was like, I will write anepic script. I will, you know,
write a few agents and producerswho would be so so fortunate to
get their hands on it. And in mymind, they're so lucky. Right?

I'm like, I'm giving you the opportunity to
read my script.

Right? Whereas in that ecosystem, you're battling
and fighting and jockeying forattention and having this
anxious energy about it and thatjust wasn't my reality. Right?
So it was a fun game to play.Right?
With that level of So

much. Yeah. So I found you well, it turns out I
knew you before. But I thoughtthat I came across you from your
book, Shadow Money, which wehave right here as the money
shaman. I heard you on KellyBrogan's podcast.
Yeah. And I actually had neverlistened to an episode of her
podcast before, but I've knownKelly for a very long time. And

(08:06):
her podcast kept being suggestedto me. Okay. So I was like,
well, surely if the podcast appthinks I would like it, maybe I
will.
So I go in and I see all theepisodes and I see the money
shaman, and I'm like, what'sthis? Mhmm. So I listen, I love
the episode, and I get you know,and then I reached out and got
your book at the same time tosee if you would come. And I'm

(08:29):
curious, but actually now itmakes sense given you explaining
what you were like at 15. Butmost people, I don't think are
like, great, let me embody thisdifferent identity

Sure.

To write a book. Right. How did that happen, and
why did you where did the moneyshaman come from?

Gosh. That's a good question. Yeah. I think one
major component to it is thatfor I mean decades ever since I
can like imagine being a human,I've had nowhere to really hang
my existential hat. Right?
Like there's never been asolidity of a claim of I am a
screenwriter. Right? And I writemovies or I am a copywriter and

(09:14):
I write for launches or I am arelationship coach. Like there's
just been kind of this fluiditybetween roles and what I can
embody in every given moment,right? And what I noticed and I
noticed this early on in myscreenwriting career just less
consciously and I did it lessintentionally.
Right? But the name HendrixBlack, which is another one of

(09:34):
my pen names first came to me asa screenwriter. Right? Oh. And I
realized that the way I wouldwrite as Ryan Schwartz was very
different than how I would writewhen I put Hendrix Black on a
title page.
Right? I'm like, there'ssomething to this. That's so
cool. Ryan Schwartz is a littlebit timid. He takes a little
less risks.
Right? Whereas Hendrix Blackseems to just not give us.

(09:57):
Right? Exactly. Just say it.
Just go to the places where RyanSchwartz wouldn't. Right? And it
wasn't necessarily this alterego thing. It was what I felt or
experienced as this new set ofenergetic clothing. Right?
That it would just be there. Itwasn't this conscious
intentional thing that I neededto do to be that. It was kind of

(10:17):
this energy signature I wouldjust tap into and click into and
I would be that. Right? So Iguess one thing I learned that
still feels very much true as Iembody these different roles is
different names have differentenergy signatures that have
access to different pools ofinformation.
Right? So when I'm writing asHendrix Black, it seems like he
has immediate instant access toinsight in certain realms that

(10:42):
it just pours through. Right?Whether that's in one on one
client sessions or in bookwriting.

Yeah.

It's just there. Right? And same with Money
Shaman. So yeah. That is wild.

Yeah. It's interesting because right before
you came, I was chatting with adifferent guest, and she
actually started her businessunder a pseudonym. Mhmm. Because
her business is aroundsexuality.

Right.

And she was working in finance. Mhmm. And
she just knew it wouldn't beokay. And she said the same
thing. Yeah.
Which is that she just suddenlywas in under the new name. And
like there wasn't an issue oflike, oh, now I have to unravel
all this old patterning andwhatever, and I have to find a
way to will myself to be It wasjust like, nope. When I put on

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these heels and this outfit andI'm in this name, I am her. The
end.

Right. Yeah. It's So cool. Because it's not this
linear thing where you have todrop a story and change
identity. Right?
It's like

Once again, that takes time and amateur therapy
and blah blah blah. One the ofthings I loved in your book,
Shadow Money, was thisinvitation to go all in and do
all the practices. Right. Ofcourse. Mhmm.
That you said, and also if youdon't Mhmm. It will still change
you.

Yes. Absolutely.

Just that, I was reading it and I was like, gosh,
this is audacious. Mhmm. And andI love it. And I love it because
as a writer

Yep.

I can feel myself

Mhmm.

Sometimes, and it depends on where I am in my
cycle, and it depends on howspicy I'm feeling, all of those
things. But I can find myselfsometimes backing away

Right.

From the command. Yeah. Or backing away from what
I know is true, and what I knowis true is that it is true that
an energy signature when youread it and when you engage with
a text is going to change youeven if you don't do the
exercise.

100%.

That alone because there's a there's a what
is that? Like, tell me more.

It's a transmission is really the short way of
saying it. Right? And if I wereto try to break that down
scientifically, I would failmiserably. Right? But
essentially, it's this.
Right? I'm writing from acertain place of awareness,
place of consciousness. It'sstreaming from a source of
intelligence that is quoteunquote beyond me, but also
being embodied through me.Right? And a reader is

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connecting with that.
Right? So there is an energeticreconfiguration happening
through that exchange. Right?That's really the simple version
of it. And I remember writingthat in the book.
Right? I remember wanting tocommunicate this sense of
inherent relaxness and ease Iwas feeling from the

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consciousness of money, right?Where so many of the teachings
that I had consumed in, youknow, the manifestation space or
the, know, heal all your shadowspace, right? All these spaces
always felt like the reward wason the other side of quote
unquote the work. Right?

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And that as long as I have theseblocks and these beliefs and
these agreements and theseshadows and these ancestral
patterns, I can't be that or Ican't have that. Right? And that
just felt like such a such anunwinnable game. And even if it
were winnable, who is thecharacter playing it within it?

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Right?
So I think one of the keymessages that I received while
writing this book wasessentially creating this, I
think I called like realitydistortion fields, right? Where
money can find me even when I'ma hot mess. Right? Money can
find me even when I'm soimperfect and dealing with so
much of my own inner BS that Iam not evaded by money. Right?

(14:26):
And that's just relax my ownsystem. Right? It relax my
system so much when I could feellike I'm available to money even
when. Right? And if thisconsciousness of money has this
intelligence and this grace aslong as I'm creating this
agreement of like, you know,right now I am in intense
victimhood and limitation and Iwelcome you.
Right? And you are welcome here.Right? It's just a greater, more

(14:50):
inclusive, expansive way ofoperating even as we do the
work. So

It's so beautiful. And I don't know if
you know that our what what wedo in this company is we teach a
program called Relaxed Mind. Sothe fact that you're using that
word is so resonant with me, andanything we can do to find
safety and relaxation in oursystems is gonna be magnetic to
money and everyone else. Becausewe know when we're with someone

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who's anxious, desperate,hypervigilant, any of those
things, it can be actually quiterepulsive energetically. It
doesn't feel good.
At least maybe sometimes weactually can be a match, so
maybe you know, as we changeover time, it feels worse and
worse. But but for money aswell, which you talk about that

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money is a consciousness. Right.So what is money?

Gosh. Yeah. So I'm just gonna, like, give the most
basic definition. Right? Wecould say it is and we could say
that it's an entry of means.
Right? We could say that it haspower. We could say that it is
used as currency as exchange.Right? But what I was receiving
is, like, those limitations areas limiting as saying a human is

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a worker or a human is aproducer or a human is this.
Right? It's undignified Right.To some degree. Right? So money
is ultimately a consciousnessthat gets expressed through
these ways of operation.
Right? It is used as a way ofvalue exchange. It is used as a
way of, you know, yep,exchanging value, creating

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value. Right? And all these waysare beautiful, but at its core
root, I see it and view it andexperience it as a consciousness
just like we are seeking healingresolution and wholeness.
Right? And money is on thatjourney as well. Right? There is
wounded money. There is moneythat is more, I guess, healed on
its journey, and it kind ofseeks those stewards who can

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welcome it with awareness, withconsciousness.
Right? Recirculate it withgratitude. Right? And just be
aware of what they're workingwith in that exchange. So

So in your concept, when money comes
through us and we're relating toit in ways that are not rooted
in shadow and projection. Right?So ways that are are more awake
or healthier, more loving, thenwe actually are shifting the
energy of money as it comesthrough

us. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's funny that so I was reading this, and
I was reminded, I had a clientwho works with big money, like
multi million, you know, like$103,100,000,000 dollar funds,
and she's working with peoplewho are billionaires all the
time. Right. And she comes frommoney. Yep.
And I remember I said to her acouple years ago, I said because

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we were just kind of talkingabout the energy of money and
the energy of capital and and,like, where it comes from, where
it's been, and how I don't knowif the word that comes to me is
like corroded the system hasbeen historically. And I said to
her, all money is dirty money,and it wants to be healed
through you.

That's exactly it.

And it was so cool to essentially read a
similar concept, and I was like,then maybe it's true. Yeah.
There you Like, I feel like whenpeople from disparate
backgrounds Mhmm. Differentcorners of the world Mhmm. Come
to the same conclusion Right.
It must be true. Totally. Yeah.Yeah. So did that just drop in
for you?

That just dropped in. Yeah.

Like where do you remember where you were sitting?

I was working with a client. Okay. Right? In a
totally different context.Right?
It wasn't even in let's heal ourmoney stuff context. Right? But
we were going over her differentsources of revenue. Okay. Right?
You know, she had her businessrevenue that was coming in
through, you know, the servicesshe was offering. And she was
also working with aninheritance. Right? She was

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dealing with some family stuff.Right?
And there was some conflictaround how much she should be
getting. Right? And a bit offamily turmoil there. Right? It
became immediately clear thatlike, know, this money isn't the
same as this money.
Right? This one here has a tonof charge. Right? It feels like

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there's violence within it.Right?
That as it's arriving, it'sarriving with this signature of
chaos. Right? And is it themoney's fault? No. Right?
But money is of the waterelement in my belief and
experience, and it's highlyimpressionable to the energies
that are projected onto it.Right? So when that money is

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passing through channels withconflict, with anger, with
hostility, with senses ofvictimhood, with senses of
control or oppression or allthese signatures, money is
recrystallizing around theseintents. Right? And then when it
arrives in someone's field,they're relating with something
that you could say has certaindistortions.
And those distortions are gonnamanifest how they manifest

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depending on the constitution ofthat person. Right? Whereas this
revenue source that was comingfrom her service was very clean,
was very light. Right? Herclients were so grateful for the
work she was doing.
There was a sense that they weregetting tremendous value from
the work she was doing and shefelt tremendously rewarded for
that service. Right? That feltpristine, almost like it was

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life giving and nourishing. Sothat's really kind of one of the
initial signals I had. Right?
That like, not all money is thesame. Right? There are different
vibratory qualities to itdepending on the journey it's
passed through, depending on theintent that has been impressed
upon it. Right? You can look ata much larger example that of,
know, lottery wins.

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Right? And there's so much dataaround, you know, the chaos that
often ensues through massivewindfalls. Right? And there
could be a multitude of theoriesof why that happens. Right?
And you could look at it throughmany different lenses. But from
my perspective, a lottery isessentially made up of millions

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of people who have bought $10 ofticket with a certain complex of
save me, right? Desperation. Andthere are likewise millions of
micro curses when their numbersdon't get called. Right?
That immediate reaction of Ididn't win and almost cursing
the winner of I would have donesomething better. I deserved it

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more. Right? So that big pool ofmoney, right, is already encoded
with forms of desperation, withanger, with agitation, with even
a sense of, I think I called inthe book financial
schadenfreude. I hope they loseit, desiring ill will upon
someone who has money.
So unless that steward has thecapacity to sense into what

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they're actually receivingbeyond a number. Right? But the
actual energetic constructthey're welcoming into their
field and has ways to identifywhere they may be vulnerable to
that, right, their own internalhooks to it, and then their own
ways of transmuting that, ofcourse, it's gonna generate

Yeah. Different forms of chaos. Yeah. So with
your client who was coming intothis inheritance that had an
energetic signature of chaos orpain or, you know, some money we
receive through, even traumaticmeans.

Of course. Yeah.

How do we then help money to heal in our hands?

Right. So one thing I've noticed is money tends to
heal and transmute faster thanhumans do. They money doesn't
form identity around woundingpatterns in the same way that
humans would. Right.

Right? Like Similar to animals, really.

Exactly. So so money has this desire and this
thrust back towards wholeness.And I believe all consciousness
does. But money, I think, justelementally will get there
faster. Mhmm.
Right? I think the waterexperiments, I think it was
doctor

Imoto. Correct. Can't remember his first name.

Right.

But, yes, doctor Imoto.

Yeah. Similarly. Right? He could restructure
water with different prayers anddifferent tones and different
even kind of vocalizations.Right?
Really quickly, like how itwould restructure

from And we all can. Exactly. It's not like he's
like a magician. Absolutely.

Yes. Right? So if we were to just ground this in
practicality

Yeah.

Right? Like, if you if one was receiving a sum of
money, right, and it could be,you know, from a very common
example, you know, of a client.Right? You know, I've received
this as a copywriter. Right?
A client hires me and brings meon, and it's a service I offer
and a service that client paysfor. Yet sometimes I'll feel the
spike of the save my business.Right? Or the spike of this

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better work or the spike of allthese unconscious unworded
energetics that I'm receivingwithin it. Right?

Oh, I have had that experience.

Yeah. Like $10,000 from one client isn't the same
as 10,000 from another.

It just isn't.

Right? And it gains better judgment. Sometimes we'll
receive that and we'll ignore itand we'll push it aside and
we'll be like, well, this mightjust be my thing right now. And
then inevitably, there will besome, you know, amplification of
the chaos with that client orthat money or something that
happens that causes some form ofdisruption. Right?

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So even in that example, right,if I were receiving, you know,
$10,000 that felt energeticallyunclean, right, there's just a
brief moment of, like, five orten minutes sitting with that
transaction. Like, literallylooking at that transaction on
the Stripe screen or on myaccount. Right? And just tuning
into its field. Right?
What am I feeling into here?What am I sensing within this?

(24:36):
What is it evoking in me? Right?Is it evoking patterns in me
that feel like I'm not worthy ofthat, that I can't deliver on
that, that the expectation I'mputting out there isn't aligned
with what I could actuallyprovide.
Right? So it's just anopportunity to sit with that and
then just witness that moneycompassionately as a
consciousness. Right? So I havea process in this book that I've

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also used in my relationshipcoaching. I call just fierce
grace shadow witness.

Yeah. So beautiful.

And it's just a matter of operating from this
space of fierce grace, not awounded part that just wants to
heal. Right? But I call it thespace of essentially wide open
awareness pulsating with graceand compassion. So the father
principle, the mother principle,and operating from that space
and just witnessing what yousee. Right?

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Like, I see you're agitated.Right? I see you're fearful.
Right? I see that you come withso much, you know, loaded
expectation.
Right? And just witness it backinto wholeness. Right? Let it
continue revealing its layersand witnessing in it witnessing
it in it without trying to fixit. Right?
Just being there with it. Yeah.And what I found especially with

(25:49):
money is that it just unfurls.Right? It unfurls so quickly
when you can just witness it inits journey.
Right? Because how often doesmoney get witnessed? Right? Like
humans complain about no one'shere to witness us. Right?
No one's offering us a space,but money? No one's witnessing
money. Right? So the moment youjust give it five minutes, ten

(26:10):
minutes to be with it and let itreveal its signatures to you.
Yeah.
It's game changing.

I mean, what you're describing is very
similar to parenting. Mhmm. Ifind with my kids, you know, we
have a six year old and a nineyear old, and when one of them
is dysregulated, spun out,having big feelings, certainly,
shaming them, blaming them,trying to suppress that Right.

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Is not the move. Yeah.
Right? So and trying to get themto stop Right. Is definitely not
the move. Yep. And trying to fixit, also not the move.
So what you're describing, Ihave seen over and over and over
again with my children when Isit with them as regulated as I

(26:56):
can manage in to that moment andjust witness and say, Yeah, I
see you're scared. I see you'resad. It's okay to be sad. I
mean, we just did it thisweekend. I was with my daughter,
and we were at UniversalStudios, and we were on a
carousel.
And she, in that moment,realized that all the rest of

(27:18):
the group was doing somethingwithout her, without us, and she
was missing out. And she got soupset, and she started to cry,
and she was like, they did itwithout me, and da da da da, and
I said, yeah, it's sad. Theywent without us.

Right.

We're on a carousel. You can be sad on a
carousel.

Yeah.

And so we were just there, and so fast, she had
a cry. Right. Within ninetyseconds, full joy ecstasy on
Totally. A And then we weredone.

Yeah.

And it was just such a great example of like, if
we can be I mean, that'sparenting, but it's the same
with ourselves. It's the same. Ilove that you're bringing this
to money. Yeah. That we canactually be the healers of
money, which is, I find, atremendous amount of power in
that invitation because so oftenwe're waiting to make a certain

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amount of money to feel like wecan be a certain way, or we're
waiting to heal a certain amountbefore we can x y z.
And it's like, no. No. No. Ihave complete and total agency.

For

sure. And I can contribute as the bestower Yeah.
Of grace. Absolutely. GraceRight.
To money. Yeah. Like, that'sreally cool. Totally. And a big
turnaround.

Yeah. And why wouldn't you do it? Right? Like
Yeah. Money is flowing throughour experience at all times.
Right? Like, a few minutesbefore coming here, right, I was
at this, like, really awesomelittle coffee shop. Like, I
don't know if you've noticed

the one I have to ask

you which one. With the airplane. Right?

Oh, yeah.

The And you order

an airplane? I think it's called airplane
coffee. Yeah. Yeah. So The best.

Exactly. So I walk in there, and I'm like, this is
cool. I'm in an airplane even

though I

was in an airplane yesterday. Right? And, you

know Yeah. But they happy be a coffee shop.

I'm like, why am I so happy to be in this airplane
right now? I hate being inairplanes. But I'm in that
coffee shop. Right? And I'm I'mappreciating the creativity that
goes into that.
I'm like honoring. Someone hadthis concept. They brought it to
fruition. How freaking awesome.Right?
And then I'm at the cash. I'mpaying for this coffee, and
that's a sacred exchange. Right?Money is moving. Right?

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So in that brief second, it'shonoring money. Like, thank you
for partaking in thistransaction. Thank you for
empowering this experience here.Right? And it's blessing it for
the next recipient.
Right? It's like honoring themfor what they're providing.
Right? And it's like, we havedozens of these opportunities
every day, right? To thank themoney flowing through us and

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blessing it as it moves forward.

Right?

And if you were to view or take on the concept of
money as an evolvingconsciousness, much like how a
human will no longer beavailable for certain types of
behaviors as it grows inconsciousness and awareness. And
it's like, hell no. I'm notavailable for that type of
relationship anymore. Right? Ifyou can take on the same concept

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with money and see money as anevolving consciousness that may
be increasingly more availabletowards stewards who would honor
it, who would be in rightrelationship with it, who would
bless it and recirculate it withgrace and love, then I think it
also begs to yeah.
It also suggests that thatperson will be more open to

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receiving more sums. Right? Andmore capacitated to actually
create these harmonious flows

Mhmm.

Right everywhere they go. So I don't know. I tend
to appreciate that

I love that. Concept. Yeah. What about for
folks who really are feelinglike money is the problem? Yeah.
Or like, I'm just not good withmoney. So I'll tell you a
specific example that comes upin our in our work.

Of course.

I am a firm believer Mhmm. That financial
stewardship Mhmm. Is one of theprimary ways to create an
abundant life. Where the way tofeel like it's finally enough is
to beautifully care for what wealready have

Love that.

As well as earn more. But many of our people
think the way to Mhmm. Create asense of enough is to make more.
Right. And that can be part ofit.
But I start with, what are youdoing with what you already
have? Right?

Of course. Yep.

And what I hear from our clients sometimes is, I
I'm just not good at that. Mhmm.Or that feels boring. Mhmm. Or I
have other more exciting,interesting things to do, and I
don't have time Yeah.
For that. So I'm just curious,like, what would be your

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response to that particularprojection or or pattern of
avoidance because we're like,it's boring. It doesn't actually
sound that fun.

Right. Yeah. Mean, I guess like first off with
compassion. Right? I'vecertainly been there.
Right? I've certainly been inSame. The thrill of generating
versus the, you know, perceivedmonotony of tending to. Right?
So I've been there.
Right? And I'll yeah. I'll justbe very clear about it. The
moment I started tending to whatwas already in my presence.

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Right?
Being very mindful of what wasin my account, how those bundles
are being stewarded, what wasmeant for what purpose. Right?
Getting very intentional aboutthat, very directed and creating
clear containers and intentionsfor my money, my income grew.
Right? Like, it just did.
Right? Rather than havingavoidance here and thrill

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seeking here. Right? Which is avery unsustainable way of
operating. That was perfect.
There we go. Right? Yeah. So Ithink like going deeper in that
conversation, you know, tuninginto the avoidance. What are we
afraid of seeing?
Right? Is there an avoidancebecause it's boring? Is there an

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avoidance because we believe weshould be further along? Is
there an avoidance because wedon't want to get clear about
how quote unquote irresponsiblewe've been and shame ourselves
for that. Right?
So I think the more honest wecould be about those various
layers of avoidance, the quickerwe can progress through it. And
once again, this is where thatinner stance of fierce grace is

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so important because you're notgoing to do that work through
the lens of your inner judge,right, and your inner critic
who's just gonna berate you andbeat you over the head with it.
Yeah. Right? But it's like, youknow, I see you're ashamed of,
you know, how you've circulatedmoney.
I see that you wish you didthings better. Right? Like
getting clear on all theseelements that are going to that

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avoidance, I think, is massive.Right? And massively important.

Can you describe more about fierce grace? One of
the things I love that you saidis that many places that we
learn about shadow work, it issaid that shadow work requires
courage. And you're like, yeah,not really. Yep. So so share why
courage doesn't really feel likethe word for you.
Yeah.

I remember I think it was probably around like
seven years ago when I first gotinto shadow work. And I remember
doing a session with someone whois pretty renowned in the men's
space around it. Right? And wewere doing a session. At one
point, he's like, you know, I soappreciate your courage for
going there.
And I'm like, what? Like, thatdoesn't track. You know? Like, I

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almost don't feel like I wascourageous. Right?
Like and then I kinda zoomedout, and I'm like, I think we're
operating from different placeshere in this work. Right? Like,
the space of fierce grace, theway I see it, right, is like, I
am already transparent to allthat is. I can hide that stuff
if I wanted to. Right?

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Like, whatever it is you believesustains life and animates you
into existence, you're alreadytransparent to it. It already
sees all that there is to see.Yeah. Right? So if you could
slip into that place, right, andyou know you are already loved
and upheld and supported by thatcurrent or that field, however

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you wanna define it, courageisn't necessary there.
Right? Courage to me is whatcomes online when there's also
this fear. It's part of thatpolarity. Right? And what parts
of you would be quote unquoteafraid as it's going through
shadow work?
It's typically the part that Irefer to as a shadow suppressor.

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The part that feels like if thiswas seen and known to the world,
I would be abandoned, condemned,judged, beaten, like, the
things. Right? And once again,we have compassion for that
part. Right?
We certainly hold that partwithin this field of fierce
grace as well, but we don't letit run the show. Right? It's not

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leading that charge of shadowwork. Another way I think I like
to put it is like all parts geta seat at the table, but they
don't get to host the dinner.Right?
It's like, who hosts the dinner?Right? So that's kind of a
question to sit with. Beautiful.Yeah.

One thing that comes up is this feeling for
women specifically of, well, Ijust want to be in my feminine.
And somehow there's an idea thatbeing in our feminine is
antithetical to dealing withmoney in a conscious way. Right?

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Can you just riff on that?Masculine and the feminine, and
I mean, obviously, we all havemasculine and feminine in us,
but in our community,specifically, is primarily
women.

For sure.

And there can be this goddess, I just wanna be in
my feminine, which can lead tolimpness. Fair enough. So, like,
now I have no structure, and I'mall flow.

Yep. Yeah. Yep. In my experience, money requires
masculine containment itself.Right?
That is literally what anaccount is. It is saying you can
be received here.

Right? Put it here.

And I have I have a plan for you. Right? I have a
strategy for you. I'm gonna carefor you. Right?
So if I see money itself mostlyas a feminine force. Right?
Water element, it flows through,it needs containment, it lands
within containment and then youchoose how it gets contained.
Right? Like, you know, I'm notgoing to abandon you in this

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dark corner of an account that Inever check.
Right? I'm gonna have you herein this high interest savings
account where I know you areexpanding and flowing and doing
your thing, or I'm going toallow you to play in this high
yield, maybe riskier, you know,territory here. Right? And do
your thing. Right?
You know, have fun. Right? Soyeah. In my view and experience,

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money itself does need masculinecontainment. So that is one part
of the conversation.
Right? And it doesn't mean awoman who wants to be like, 99%
of her life and her feminineneeds to be the one creating
that containment. Right? She cancertainly hire people for that
or have a partner, a spouse,right, who cares for that and
creates that containment. Thenext part of that conversation,

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right, I would be I wouldsuggest is, like, how that money
gets received and generated.
Right? So money itself could befeminine, but it doesn't mean
that the way of generating it,right, or receiving it needs to
be all masculine or allfeminine. Right? And here I see,
you know, countless ways toreceive money, right, or to

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generate it or to welcome it in.Some are more feminine oriented.
Some are more masculineoriented. I see typically, you
know, four ways of moneyreceivership. Right? Value
exchange is the one where mostfamiliar with. Right?
I create this product, thisservice, and sell it. Right?
That's one way. Right? And theone I'd say that's the way that
most people are most comfortablewith.

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Right? And I'd say that'strending towards a more
masculine way of receivership.

Right? I produce. I get paid.

Totally. Exactly. But there's also, you know,
investment opportunities. Right?Which is like money expands.
It multiplies. Right? Throughwho are you within that expense?
You're kinda relaxed. You'rekinda letting money do this
thing, and you're trusting inthat.
Right? So that is more of afeminine way of

Yeah. Receiving. Yeah. I mean, think about that.
I have never thought about itYeah.
This way before except for inthis moment, but I think about
it like pregnancy Mhmm. Whereit's like you just you really
don't have to do anything, andyou just end up making a human.
Totally. Wild. Incredible.
Very similar to investment.Yeah. Where you put, you know,

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you put the seeds, you put themoney in there, and then it just

Yeah. Gross. And then some some folks will like
feel like they need to overlymanage it. Right? Because they
wanna feel like they have somemore active of a role.
Right? And this goes intodeservedness. Right? You know,
that it's Right. That I don'tdeserve it unless I worked for
it, unless I bled for it, unlessI did something.
Right?

I have to have suffered a certain amount.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's, you know, another way
of receivership. And you canhave a business partner or a
life partner that is far moreopen in one of these channels
than another.
And it's beautiful when twopartners are particularly open
in different directions. Right?So I could be amazing at
creating value and exchangingvalue. Right? And my partner

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might be incredible at receivingflows of pure generosity or pure
fortune.
Right? And life justcontinuously works in her favor.
Right? And how beautiful that'sno less valid or more valid than
my way. Right?
Generosity is a whole otherconversation being open to that.
Fortune is another one. What isa natural limit to how lucky one

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can be before they feel likethey're gonna get attacked for
being lucky and fortunate.Right? But, yeah, there's
literally countless ways one canreceive.
Some are more feminine oriented,some are more masculine
oriented. And I think justreally being honest about how
one wishes to receive and howone feels most predisposed
towards receiving

Yeah.

And playing with it. But also knowing that you
have containment for where thatmoney,

you know Mhmm. Flows into. I'm curious your
opinion. You know, you said,okay. Well, you could absolutely
be, you know, 99% more in thatfeminine flow, but there does
need to be those containers, Icompletely And agree how much do
you think we need to actuallybuild, maintain, be aware of

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those containers ourselves?
Because something I see isavoidance can continue by being
like, my husband's handlingthat, or like, I pay somebody
for that instead of actuallybeing engaged with our own
resources.

Totally. Yeah. Sometimes I will look at an
account just to say hi to themoney. Right? Like, that's it.
Like Yeah. Not even necessarilytracking. Was it up 2% or down
this? But just

like, hey. What's up?

Good to

see you.

Right? Thank thank you for being here. Thank you
for continuing to expressyourself. Thank you for
expanding and contracting anddoing the things you do. Right?
And just even tuning in. Right?Like, how are you feeling?
That's it. Kind of how I wouldrelate to a really good friend.
Right? Just being there checkingin. How are you?

Yeah. Right?

I think for what money provides in our lives.
Right? Just having a sense ofconnection to it frequently.
Right? And not this dismissal ofsomeone else will take care of
it, which always has theundertone of I don't want to
deal with it.

Right. Right? Like, imagine if that, you know,
back to parenting.

For sure.

Right? Like, if I only had someone else caring for
my children Right. I would nothave a good relationship with
them. Mhmm.

Yeah.

Right? So so same same. Or if I had someone else
going on dates with my husbandRight. Like Yeah. I wouldn't
like, I'm not gonna outsourcethat.

Yeah. You can't outsource relationship. So it's
really Right. Really comes backdown to do you subscribe to the
paradigm where money isrelational or not? Right?
And if you believe it is and ifit feels more true in life
affirming and enriching andexpanding for it to be
relational, then just take thosebasic steps towards making it
relational. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. In your experience and in your
work, because you work withcouples as well Yeah. With your
pen name Hendrix Black. Mhmm.
Yes.

Correct.

Yes. Just in case people wanna check out that
work. Yep. What are the overlapsthat you see between life force
energy, eros, and financialenergy, the consciousness of
money?

Yeah. Big question.

I mean, that's like a whole

yeah. For sure. Right? I will start off by
saying, right, that, like, in myexperience on working on both
sides, how we relate to ourpartner, right, has a
disproportionate effect on ourdeservedness and receptivity
field. Right?
And to put it more bluntly,right, if I, for example, didn't

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believe my partner was worthy ofreceiving that which she desires
to receive, then she's going tocarry that sense of deprivation.
She's gonna feel thatdeprivation for me and that's
gonna resonate through herfield. So I think on the
couple's level, before we evenget into circulating Eros and

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pleasure and capacity toactually feel it run through our
bodies. Mhmm. Right?
First, we have to get clear.Right? Do I truly, if I'm being
absolutely honest with myselfhere, desire the world for my
partner. Do I want to see him orher in their fullest expression
of life and joy and pleasure? DoI truly believe they're

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deserving of that?
And when I ask people this, theanswer is typically at first, of
course, right? Wouldn't I?Because I'm supposed to and I
want to and I'm a good husbandor I'm a good wife, right? Then
I'm like in the safety of thisconversation, is that a 100%
true or 50% true? Right?
Then you start kinda likegetting into that murkier
territory, right? Of how manycouples still have some level of

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unchecked resentment. Right? Andunchecked feelings of, you know,
I didn't get what I want. Sothey can't get what I want or I
gave up what I wanted.
So I'm kind of on board themgetting what they want, but not
all the way. Right? And I thinkone very clear question that any

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listener can ask themselves,like, is a, do you know what
your partner or spouse wantsmore than anything in the world
to feel, to receive? Do you knowthe answer to that question? And
b, if they experienced it, howwould you feel in witnessing
them?
I think just those two questionscan reveal a ton of information
that

It's really good.

May be very affirming of your relationship
or give you really clear insightof things you can take a closer
look at that can totally takeyour relationship to a new level
within the next few months.Because, yeah, we have these
wounded parts and identitiesthat have gone through, you
know, in some cases, hell withour partners. Right? And they
leave certain imprints andthey're not permanent. But yeah,

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it's our job to get clear there.

Yeah. A 100%. So what about when we bring money
into the conversation withpartnership? That's one of the
greatest sources of pain forpeople is money in relationship,
but it's also a great source ofpossibility.

Of course.

Yes. So tell me about your ideas around the
energy of money and theparallels or lack thereof with
those energies and pathways of,like, pleasure and desire.

Sure. Yeah. I'll say this. Right? When I was
single and alone, right, it wasa lot easier to essentially
quote, quote, unquote, manifestmore money at will.
Right? It was linear. Right?When you're in a partnership,
especially an intimaterelationship, you're now in a

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shared field. Right?

Yes.

Like your partner's stuff is within your field and
you're just kinda like doingthis dance. Right? And you might
feel particularly open and youmight have a single conversation
with your partner aboutbudgeting and it feels like it
just like dead ends the room.Right? And you're like, I'm
trying to be magnetic and openand you're talking about why we

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shouldn't buy $12 almond butterfrom Whole Foods.
This this is not it. Right?

Not a real example.

I'm we're downgrading to peanut butter
now, right? And if I see almondbutter, so you are in these
shared fields, right? And theseexchanges leave certain imprints
around what is this capacity ofreceivership within my family,
within my primary spousalrelationship. Right? So yeah, to

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that end, right, sexual energyis incredible.
Incredible to circulate becausethat is not this linear
calculated thing. Right. Right?It gets you out of this like,
yeah, called scarcity. Right?

Right. Because there's not like a certain
amount Yeah. Of erotic energy wehave every month. And we have to
have to budget it in like, it'sendless. Totally.
It's infinite. It's infinite.

Right? So, yeah, like, being in practice, right,
of how much can you receivehere? How much can we generate?
How much can we enjoy? Not aswork, not as a manifestation
practice as an expression of mylove and your love and my desire
and your desire.
But I think within thatcultivating there's some can we

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go into practices here? Yeah.Yeah. Sweet. Right?
So I think cultivating a fieldof co generosity is massive in
that realm, right? Of desiringfor your partner to feel
ecstatic and loved and pleasuredand all these things. Right? And
doing so for no other reasonthan wanting to experience them

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in that joy. Right?
Totally. Reminding them thatthis isn't a trade and I'm gonna
get mine after and blah blahblah. Right? But just like how
much can we cultivate this fieldof open generosity of relishing
in each other's pleasure andjoy, right? And all the
different forms and expansionsthat could take.
I think that has such a powerfulmagnetic pull when it comes to

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finances.

Totally. And what you're describing, which I've
never thought about, is sort oflike financial we could practice
financial compersion. And so forthose who don't know, compersion
is when someone when youliterally get off on your
partner feeling pleasure.

Right.

And I think we probably all can find that in
ourselves because I mean, Icertainly know that when Mike's
really happy, I'm really happy.And that's an incredibly simple
example of it, and there arelayers, and I think all of us
are wired differently. But Iwonder, and it's something I'm
gonna play with, if we can, notonly in practicing that with our

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partner around erotic energy andphysical pleasure, but also how
much can we begin to wireourselves to practice that also
financially with that field ofgenerosity. And one thing that
we've talked about in RelaxedMoney, I don't know what I call
it, but I'm gonna start callingit financial conversion as of
today. It's this transference ofthe difference between seeing

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someone else thrive and thinkingbecause they're having that,
that means I can't have it.
And instead, experiencing it notas evidence that I can have it
too, but as literally witnessingsomeone having something and
allowing ourselves to experiencephysically Yep. That we are

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having it too. This happened tome with two specific girlfriends
Mhmm. Witnessing them mothering

Mhmm.

Because I did not have a wonderful experience in
my first year of motherhood. Itwas hard at best. Mhmm.
Traumatic for sure. Mhmm.
And yet I witnessed them, andthey were like and this was
years later. Mhmm. And they werein clearly, were having a hard
time too because just having ababy is hard. But they were in

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ecstasy on some level, likeliving their deepest joy. And I
just was like, I'm gonna watchtheir Instagram stories.
I'm gonna talk to them. I'mgoing to receive this as going
back in time and on an energeticlevel, getting to have it as
five years ago, Kate.

Right.

And I do think it changed me.

Yeah. What a practice.

That is a good

use of social media.

Yeah. Was great use of social media.

That is a book. Yes. Well,

maybe it is, but but what you were saying about
expanding that field ofgenerosity, but I don't think
it's about like, oh, they'rehaving it, and I'm not. It's
almost in the melding of unitywhere it's like, you're having
it, therefore I'm having it.

You nailed it. That's exactly it. Right?
There's no self abandonment init. No.
It is full in of itself.

Right? Yeah. It's not selflessness in any No. It's
like the more we allow thatperson to have it, the more we
get to have it.

For sure. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.

So that is a huge practice. Right? In all the
forms, right, including I loveyour social media version of it.
Another aspect of that that Ithink is so simple yet powerful,
especially for couples. Like,there are so many gifts
available when you are inpartnership, right, for creating
these fields.
I don't have a good name forthis one. Maybe you could give

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it a better name because you'relike in phase. Right? But for
lack of better word, like,desires fulfilled. Right?
Like, if you shared with yourpartner, right, on a Friday
night, like over the next month,I would love to experience the
reality where, right? And itcould be erotic or it could be
non erotic, right? It could justbe A

fun date night question.

This experience that you really want to have.
Yeah. Right? And over the nextfew weeks or the predetermined
time period, your partner getsto create the conditions for
that experience, gets to createthat experience for you. Right?
And even if in your moment ofclaim, right, you feel those

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parts of you that are like, oh,this might be asking too much
because there's always that edgeand that's good. Right? Invite
that edge. Right? Can I take upthis much space?
Is this a burden? Am I askingtoo much while they're already
doing so much? Right? So allowall that to be present. Right?
It's not about avoiding allthese parts that have a say,

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it's about including them andthen having the experience or
even with that, even with thequote unquote limitation, it
could still manifest and itstill does manifest. And over
time, over the course of a year,right, if you each have one
claim per month, right? That's24 experiences that would have

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previously felt out of reach orunavailable for an abundance of
reasons. And you will havecultivated this expectation that
what I desire and claim happens.

Is so good. Yeah. And you get to have fun

along the way. Right? It's like

What a cool practice. Totally. Okay. We're
definitely doing that.

Yeah.

That's great.

Mhmm.

And, you know, and and for for anyone listening
where money is an area thatthey're wanting to cultivate
more expansion, some of thesecould be somewhat related to
money healing in whatever way.You know? Yeah. And also just
the wiring of permission, youknow, stoking the fire of

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permission to imaginepossibility because those
pathways can go dormant.

But

as soon as we let something flow there again, they
come back alive Yeah. I wouldimagine pretty quickly.
Similarly to how money, like yousaid, does transform quickly.

Yeah. Yeah. And this is about patience with your
partner. Right? That first time.
Right? If someone hasn't claimedsomething for themselves in a
while, right? It could be like,oh, I don't know. I just want
something simple. Let me

A cup of warm tea in bed.

Right?

Yeah. Which sounds nice. Sounds so good. Now
that

you say it, I'm like that.

Totally. That every month. That.

Yeah. A massage and tea. Right? That's that's all I
need.

Right? Best.

Yeah. But gently and compassionately allowing
them to safely expand. Right?Like, it could be as simple as
saying, I'm available for more.Right?
I'm available to meet you inwhatever that claim is. Right?
Nothing is too much. You'reperfect as you are. Right?
Like just these reminders towarm up that space. Not like a

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business meeting. It's like, sowhat do you wanna experience
this month? Right? Let's get iton the calendar.
I'll send you a Google invite.Right? We'll get it done. Yeah.
Although that might have itdone.

That might have it done.

Now that I sent it, I'm like

I feel like actually

Like when I use the Texan accent, it kinda works.
Yeah.

I don't know. Like, one of my love languages
actually is a calendar invite.

Totally. So Yeah.

You give me a calendar invite and
reservations, and I'm like

I think I was feeling your enjoyment of the
Google Calendar, and I'm like,I'm saying this like a bad
thing.

I'm married to a Virgo. Love a plan. I love being
directed. Yeah. I'm all aboutit.

I'm a Virgo.

Oh, really?

Ask me

how I like the kitchen.

Right? No dishes anywhere. Amazing. Yeah. August
26.

Yeah. Yep. Love that.

But yeah. Like that desires fulfilled practice,
that's gonna be promptly renamedby the time this podcast comes
out.

Good. But I actually really like it. I don't
know. I mean, just to to reflectback.

Yeah.

If that felt good.

Right.

Like Yeah. Because who doesn't wanna do a
desires fulfilled practice?Totally. I don't know

that one.

It feels Maybe the name will stick. Maybe it
will. Maybe it will. Okay. Yeah.
So as we wrap up here, I knowtoday on the day of the
recording, though not on the daythis is released Yeah. You have
a new book out.

Correct.

Yes. It is called

Conversations with Money.

Conversations with Money. Yeah. And it is the
precursor to this volume, ShadowMoney. Right?

Yep. Exactly. So before I wrote this one, right,
I was getting all the downloadsright

from How do these I just need to know, like, you
sitting in the woods? Do youmeditate? Gosh. What's
happening? Are you making eggs?

I am making eggs. I am I am in the gym. Right? Like,
there's reason I don't have avlog because it's really just me
in the gym or me making eggs.Literally those two things.
You just like encapsulated 95%of my life. Uh-huh. Yeah. So
initially, these downloads werehappening in client sessions
that had nothing to do withmoney, but everything to do with
money. Uh-huh.

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Right? And then I found myselfgiving guidance that felt
outside the norm of somethingthat quote unquote Ryan or
Hendrix would be sharing. Right?Sharing like, you know, this
money flow in your life hascertain encodings of
vengefulness in it. Right?
It's like

A vengefulness.

Vengefulness. Right? This money is encoded to,
you know, disrupt thisrelationship or that. Right? So
it's like this information wascoming through in those
directions.
And then outside of those clientsessions was more of the kind of
like overarching paradigmswithin this book. Right? Money
as consciousness. Money as thewater element. Money as coming

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in through four differentprimary channels.
Right, of value exchange, ofinvestment, of fortune. Right?
So all these bits of informationstarted piecing together between
these client sessions more thanlike just have private alone
time running on the treadmill orrunning around the gym. Right?
Whatever it was.
So I started transcribing themmostly verbally audio because

(59:27):
I'm not a scribe scribe. Right?What a weird job scribes must
have had back in the day. Right?Literally walking around with a
felt pen.
Yeah. And that became kind ofthe source material for shadow
money, light money, and lovemoney, which are still to be
released. Coming. And I wasn'tplanning on releasing the big

(59:48):
one conversations with money.I'm like, this is a big editing
editing job to sense make allthese notes.
Right? And then more recently,it just felt really important to
not just have all thatinformation in one book. Right?
Because the three volumes areshorter. This one really
encapsulates everything up tonow.

(01:00:10):
But also have it be moreformatted from that source that
I was receiving it.

Kate Northrup (01:00:16):
Yeah.

Ry Schwartz (01:00:17):
Right? So that the reader can connect with what I'm
connecting with there.

Yeah.

Right? Versus just my writing as the money shaman.

So good. Yeah. Yeah. I love this. Yeah.
And I wanna say as we wrap uphere, just like I'm aware of for
folks listening who havecreative urges, you being here
is evidence. You also said, youknow, actually this book is
coming out today and I don't dobig hoopla whatever, I do my

(01:00:46):
work and then I do my thing withit. And there's infinite
permission in that because Ithink that, at least in my
industry, there is a tendency tohold back on our creations
because there's an idea of I'mnot far enough along yet. I
don't have a big enoughplatform. I don't wanna do I'm

(01:01:07):
having a baby.
I can't do a lot. Right. And youbeing here is evidence of you
getting the download, writingthe thing. I don't know how you
ended up on Kelly's podcast, butregardless. And then it's like
in the world Right.
And here we are. So reallytrusting Yeah. That these
messages, if they're comingthrough you Yep. Their time has

(01:01:27):
come, and they have a destiny oftheir own.

I got chills when you said that. They have a
destiny of their own. That'sgood. Yeah. And they do.
Right? They absolutely do. Itotally believe in, you know,
strategic immediacy. Right? Soit's not this total blind, I'm
just gonna put it

out there and Right. Whatever. Right? It'll
But I mean, you obviously knowhow to market. Right.
Yeah.

And at the same time, my first book under
Hendrix Black was called TheSeven Initiatory Fires of Modern
Manhood. Terrible title. It'ssuch a mouthful. Right? So hard
to recommend.
It's like, I can't even say it.

But the secret lives of the men you love Yeah.
I have on my bedside, and thatis a great title.

Number one in Isn't that what it's called? Poetry
right now. Yeah. Okay. Neverthought I would have a number
one in erotic poetry.
Right? Love that. And it's on mymom's coffee table.

So yeah. Before she even read a word. So good.

But yes, similar story. Right? It's like the
immediacy of putting out whatyou've created and then allowing
it to

have a life of its own

while also being strategic and stewarding it
within the world. Right? I donot like delay at all. Right? By
the time I released my firstbook, when it came time to
market it, I'm like, I'm overit.
Totally. Right? Like I

don't Totally.

Like I don't wanna be on a podcast sharing these
ideas that were true to me twoyears ago. Right? That felt
inauthentic. I know. And I

remember world of traditional publishing.

I know. And it's weird. It's tricky. And I did
promote it, but it felt like aperformance. And it was a
performance to some degree.
Right? So I totally believe inthese creative pursuits, finding
their place in the world as soonas you know, they're ready to be
revealed.

So cool.

And then allow them to kinda grow and expand and
steward it.

So yeah. So beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for
being here today. Yeah.
Thank you for this conversation.So if people wanna connect,
learn more, buy your books,follow your work, where should
they go?

Gosh. So at Hendrix dot black on Instagram.

Hendrix with an x.

X. Yeah. At money shaman official for money shaman
work. All the books are onAmazon.

So Okay. Yeah. Amazing. We'll put everything in
the show notes. Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you again for

being there.

This was so fun.

Yeah. Loved it. Thank you so much.

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