Point of Relation Podcast

In this special bonus episode, Thomas leads us on a guided meditation to help ground us into our bodies and tune in with potentiality. He explores the mystical understanding of inspiration and how spiritual practice can help us to be more open and sense the potential of the future.

This meditation is intended to help us integrate the learnings from the previous three episodes in our four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and C...

Thomas Hübl is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology and its implications for our collective evolution as a species. In developing this technology, humans have unintentionally imbued it with our own biases and traumas. 

Thomas and Angel reflect on what’s needed for our indiv...

Thomas is joined by Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, Randima Fernando. They discuss how technology hijacks our dopamine response and reinforces trauma symptoms. Randima explains the downstream consequences of the “attention economy,” including social media’s addictiveness and its negative impacts on our psychology.

He and Thomas explore how better technology education, along with mindfulness practices, can offset the...

Thomas is joined by the author of the New York Times bestseller, On Our Best Behavior, and the host of the podcast “Pulling the Thread”, Elise Loehnen. They discuss what she calls the ‘cultural shadow’ of women - the ideas and behaviors that women have been socialized and conditioned to reject - and how women can embrace their complicated totality instead of repressing their authentic selves.

Elise’s recent book examines women’s so...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career in what she calls “heart work” - bringing people together to share their stories and ...

Thomas explores the idea of spiritual insight and how having a consistent, disciplined, contemplative practice can increase the depth of meditation and allow genuine insights to emerge. As we travel through life, we can learn to see the movement that is inherent in everything and use our soul’s energy to realize our potential and discover where we are called to belong.

Thomas considers this idea of “finding your way” and how we can...

Thomas is joined by neuroscientist, education philosopher, and social entrepreneur Dr. Sará King, and clinical professor of psychiatry, co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, and Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute Dr. Dan Siegel.

They discuss the concept of Intrapersonal Neurobiology - an interdisciplinary approach to understanding how our minds create our experiences, with an emphasis on the benef...

Thomas is joined by writer, speaker, and meditation teacher Sebene Selassie. She provides guidance and wisdom for meditation instructors and beginners alike. She and Thomas discuss ways to create a consistent, coherent, and long-term practice, even when meditation feels difficult or overwhelming due to trauma.

Sebene explains key elements, such as mindfulness and compassion, that can help us build a strong foundation and observe wh...

Thomas is joined by celebrated business thinker, social entrepreneur, Founder of "The Week", and author of Reinventing Organizations, Frederic Laloux. They discuss how hierarchy relies on certain people having power over others, and how this concept is antithetical to our true human nature, despite being deeply ingrained in society.

They explore Frederic’s work to help organizations shift to a “self-managing” model, and what it tak...

Thomas discusses two forces that drive us as human beings: the will to become, and the will to belong. He explores how our formative parental relationships can either encourage or subdue our drive to become our authentic selves and how our early strategies to compensate for scarcity can influence our path as adults. 

Thomas emphasizes the relationship between becoming and creativity and notes the harm caused by inhibiting a child’s...

Thomas is joined by wholeness advocate, thought leader, and legendary Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter, Alanis Morissette.

They discuss how to adhere to your values while passionately pursuing your life’s purpose, and how to re-connect to your authentic self after experiencing trauma. Alanis shares the somatic practices that helped her to overcome dissociation and experience embodiment again, and the pivotal role that art and...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, political candidate, and former US Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, and author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the trauma faced by public servants, including those in law enforcement, and what can be done to foster healing and end cultural stigmas around therapy and mental health challenges. 

Harry opens up about how h...

Thomas Hübl explores what motivates people to walk the spiritual path, and how it can be difficult to discern our true calling when our personal and societal environments are fragmented. He explains how being present with and processing our experiences allows us to fulfill our spiritual karma, heal inherited wounds, and close narrative circles that originated in the past.

Thomas defines karma as an unconscious energy that presents ...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, spiritual teacher, outspoken activist, and the founder of the Center for Transformative Change - Reverend angel Kyodo williams. They discuss the healing power of being seen as your true self, and how this creates the conditions for collective healing.

Rev. angel explores how systems of power and oppression have created divisions in our society and undermined our sens...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the profound impact of Bob’s time doing undercover work to infiltrate mafia crime families. He experienced intense shame and guilt from deceiving the people he was investigating, despite believing that the work was necessary. 

He and Thomas discuss how Bob overcame the isolation and trauma ...

Thomas answers questions submitted by listeners. He explores how post-traumatic learning and growth can occur both individually and collectively. Collective healing is a powerful force that can help our societies evolve by surfacing past wounds that need to be addressed, giving us the opportunity to restore our social ethics, and helping to prevent similar traumatic events from occurring in the future.

He also discusses what causes...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by humanitarian, writer, and social entrepreneur Zainab Salbi. They discuss the difficult nature of working in the humanitarian space to address the many injustices that people, particularly women, face worldwide. Zainab explains how being open and vulnerable about her own traumatic experiences gave her the compassion and inspiration needed to tell women’s stories and work to e...

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by poet, author, speaker, and leadership consultant, David Whyte. They discuss the deep benefits of learning to hold both happiness and difficulty at the same time. David shares some of his poetry and the personal experiences that helped him to directly observe the interconnectedness of all living beings.

He and Thomas explore our individual and collective reluctance to be vuln...

Thomas is joined by PhD trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of "Unbroken", MaryCatherine McDonald.

They discuss Dr. McDonald’s work to redefine our understanding of trauma and eliminate the stigma surrounding it. Using scientific research, and through the lens of her own experiences with trauma and grief, Dr. McDonald has developed a definition of trauma that describes it as “an unbearable emotional experience that lacks ...