191: Lyme Disease, Brain inflammation and Immune Dysfunction (What You Need to Know) - with Dr. Eboni Cornish - ReversABLE

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Josh Dech - CHN (06:53.388)Dr. Ebony Cornish, welcome to the show.

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Eboni Cornish (06:59.207)Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
Josh Dech - CHN (07:00.778)I am, I'm excited, you're excited to be here. We're covering some topics that in hundreds of episodes now, we have never covered, never. In fact, at the time of our recording right now, we published I think 166 and I've never covered Lyme disease, brain imaging and these links to chronic inflammation and what it does to us. So I'm thrilled about this. First of all, what is Lyme disease? So many of us hear about it.
We hear it in the media, the news, we know someone who's got Lyme and maybe that has to do with ticks. What is Lyme disease and why should we care?
Eboni Cornish (07:36.199)So Lyme disease is an umbrella term for vector borne diseases, right? So they are transmitted by a deer tick and there are other vectors as well like mites and other vectors. And what happens, these ticks are so smart and so creative that they carry numerous different bacteria with them, all right?
and they can transmit it to the human host. So the most common one we think about is something called Borrelia bedorphoride. That's the deer tick, it's transmitted. You traditionally think of it as a bullseye rash, joint pain, fatigue, headache. However, it can fool you because some patients don't even recall having.
a tick bite or a rash and that's why it's a debilitating and chronic illness because and at the same time, some people have falsely negative test results. So in my state, Virginia, we have an actual legislation that says if you have a negative Lyme disease test, you legally cannot be turned away or told that you don't have Lyme disease because the tests are not
sensitive and that means the test by lab core and quest so you get a lot of false negatives so that's one bug and then there are numerous other co-infections which are other bugs i look at them like kind of cousins you know siblings or say two beryllium or dorphri and those are things that call babesia bugs call bartonella and those are the two most common but there are tons of others
Josh Dech - CHN (09:06.862)Hmm.
Eboni Cornish (09:30.341)or Lyckia, Mycoplasma, and they too are transmitted by this tick bite. And they have so many different clinical presentations, anywhere from joint pain to chronic fatigue to astabilitating as multiple sclerosis symptomology, psychiatric presentations or neuropsychiatric manifestations of disease.
night sweats. it's broad symptoms. So the way I look at Lyme disease, I don't look at it as one thing. If you're at your doctor and you're having what we call nebulous symptoms, or you're being kicked out because the doctor's office because nothing is helping you get better, then that is something no matter where you live that you should be evaluated for because the symptoms can be chronic and devastating to so many people.
Josh Dech - CHN (10:29.464)So you get this tick bite.
You don't always have a bull's eye rash then, right? It's often assumed you would. You don't remember getting bit. You come down with any of these symptoms, fatigue, joint pain, headaches, whatever it might be, and it's worth getting assessed. But then you go and get assessed and your doctor says, hey, we did the Western blot test or whatever other kind of lab core quest diagnostic tests. They came up negative. You don't have Lyme disease. How would somebody listening to this right now know if they do or don't have Lyme disease if the tests keep coming up negative and they match all the symptoms and there's no other real diagnosis?
Eboni Cornish (11:01.201)They need to find someone who understands the disease. That's first and foremost, because that is the most common reason that I see chronic tick-borne disease patients. They've been kicked out of doctor's offices or given anti-depressants or pain medication, or just told, go see psych. And they're still struggling with these symptoms that affect numerous.
Eboni Cornish (11:28.711)We call Lyme the great imitator because it's frequently misdiagnosed as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, quote unquote fibromyalgia, which I think is a catch can term, chronic fatigue, or just depression and anxiety. So when you go to a Lyme specialist, and I'm treasurer of what's called ILADS, which is International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society. So it's like over 500 doctors from around the world.
Josh Dech - CHN (11:42.819)Mm-hmm.
Eboni Cornish (11:57.607)that specialize in vector borne diseases because that's what Lyme is. And you can get either more quality tests, some of which I use are things like IgenX or Vibrant Labs or T-Labs. There are certain diagnostic tests that are more what we call sensitive to tick borne diseases. Or you have a doctor who's a doctor and they use their clinical judgment, right? Because
There are so many broad symptoms associated and they treat you clinically. But it's important not to ignore that and not to be dismissed and to do your due diligence to find that help you need because most of time it's not all in your head.
Josh Dech - CHN (12:43.342)I want to ask you a question and I'm not sure where you stand legally on this one what you're allowed to say what you're not allowed to say or even your personal suspicions there is a lot of suspicions that I think have a reasonable grounding that Lyme disease is actually a man-made illness that it may have been a government experiment or that it came from a lab on the East Coast which is Lyme central and that may be where things started and spread what are your thoughts on that?
Eboni Cornish (13:08.145)Yeah, I've definitely heard those theories. And, you know, they sound like it makes, it could make sense. However, I'm more into the research piece, right? So I know from a biological standpoint, because that's where I stand, what we've seen in the literature is transmissions by vectors and even transmissions between rodents and deer and lime, deer ticks, et cetera, to humans.

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as the most common transmission that I see in my office.
Josh Dech - CHN (13:42.702)You should have been a politician. Ebony, what are your thoughts on that?
Eboni Cornish (13:47.943)Hey, I probably would have had not medicine been so attractive. So, you know, that was the second thing on my list.
Josh Dech - CHN (13:53.302)Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you can tell me I'm not allowed to say or I'm not allowed to have a vote, that's fine. But do you buy into the fact that it might be manmade or this idea?
Eboni Cornish (14:03.825)Well, I mean, I think it's valid. Every side has some valid points, right? So I can't disregard someone's thoughts or opinions, but what I think is fair as a physician is that I stay rooted in what I have seen scientifically through my patient population. Yeah, vote for me. I mean, it's real, it's true. That's the real answer.
Josh Dech - CHN (14:22.038)Ebony Cornish for governor. You got my vote. That's great. That's perfect. All right. Fair enough. And one of the issues that we run into with something like this is it can be so politically heated. And I realize that I think it's a very respectful way to answer that question because
I mean, I don't know what it looks like. I mean, maybe that could compromise your position or the integrity of your career. I wouldn't do that to you by any means. So I appreciate how you answered that. But looking at what we know now, I mean, COVID proven to be manmade. They just released a bunch of files on JFK not to go down the rabbit hole. Like, turns out the CIA did kill him. Like there's a lot of really shady shit coming out. And so I sometimes do wonder about these diseases, which seem to have almost come out of the blue.
with no real known history to my knowledge beforehand. And we say, look how sick people are getting. What could be causing this? These random symptoms, but they keep it on track. So the vector borne illnesses, it comes from somewhere and it's transmitted by a bug or that's your vector. And then these bacteria or these co-infections, maybe there's parasitic infections with it. They infect a person. That person then comes down with these conditions of chronic fatigue, muscle aches, fibromyalgia, et cetera.
They go and get their testing done. Doctor comes up positive or negative. Either way, they say, okay, you know what came up negative, I'm gonna see a specialist who says, yes, you have Lyme. What are the next steps from here?
Eboni Cornish (15:48.519)Well, you know, you can't necessarily say every specialist say, yes, you have Lyme, right? You can say the specialist is gonna do their due diligence and determine if that's their diagnosis, you know, officially, because most of the time it is, right? Most of the time it is, if they have gone through that journey and will find the evidence. But I just don't want people to think, oh, every specialist says you have Lyme, you know, you gotta do, you know, you gotta do your work. That's the Ebony for Governor piece. But at the same time, um...
Josh Dech - CHN (15:52.888)sure.
Josh Dech - CHN (15:59.074)But if they confirm that diagnosis, yeah.
Josh Dech - CHN (16:10.222)course. Sure. Do your due diligence. Yeah. Right.
Eboni Cornish (16:16.807)You know, it depends on the patient. Now for my practice, I use everything depending on the nature of that infection. Like that's how I got started working with Dr. Amen years ago in 2010. They would send patients to the practice I was working at the time, which was a Lyme practice, and say, hey, this person has mood problems, but their brain scan is really different. It looks like inflammation.
This doesn't make sense for depression, anxiety or PTSD or bipolar. What else is going on? And then we start doing our digging and we're like, aha, you know, there's tons of literature that talks about neuropsychiatric manifestations, but there's also real data. So what I'm saying is every patient is different. I use from herbs to natural path, the math, even though I'm an MD, I find value in that.
I calm the immune system, I treat the gut, I treat any other imbalances before I go in there and just start targeting and killing the bugs because you have to think about it. Lime's been around since the, you know, we've seen Borrelia since I say that's been published. Okay. It's been around for years. However, the caveat is, like you said earlier, a lot of people get it. What makes the people who arrive to my office special?
Josh Dech - CHN (17:29.678)Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.
Eboni Cornish (17:41.731)is because they have all of those other conditions. May that be gut or inflammation in their body from other things like mold disease or genetic mutations that make them unable to detox or just a wide variety, even sleep apnea and thyroid problems. As simple as that can make someone have more of a debilitating course after having this exposure as another patient.
So what I do is I treat families and say, hey, your treatment might be completely different from your sister's because it's all based on what is going on holistically in that person's body. So I got a big old toolbox and everyone gets some tools and they get their own treatment, but it's really based on the big picture.
Josh Dech - CHN (18:29.302)I like that. And that's again, a perfect approach. And so many doctors.
Especially MDs in the traditional system. We'll look at your symptoms. They'll categorize it like a cookbook We call it cookbook medicine. They go check check check. Here's your symptoms. Therefore. Here's the drug If it doesn't work come back and see me in three months I'll give you more of this drug or I'll give you a different drug come back and see me in three more months and people are left for years battling random illnesses and then we get superheroes coming in going You know what you are your own unique physiology biology. This is impacting you individually. We're gonna look at all your stuff. We're gonna go through

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see what kind of herbs or pharmaceuticals, what kind of remedies, what kind of what it sounds like is pre-treatment to get their immune system balanced and their body prepared for you to go in and kill off a bunch of these bugs. Now my understanding is I don't know nearly as much about Lyme as I think I should given the line of work that I'm in but my understanding is that Lyme is this lifelong incurable condition but you're here saying well we can go in do all this work then go and kill off these bugs.
Is there a cure to Lyme if you can get, whether it's Bartonella, Babesia, Borrelia, like whatever bacteria or co-infection, can you kill those? The body will correct itself? Or are you left immunodeficient or with autoimmune conditions after the fact?
Eboni Cornish (19:47.355)Well, that's excellent question. Here's the deal. It depends on when you get treated. Okay? So sure, if you appear, which I never see, I wish I see this, a person who got bitten, they have a tick bite, they might've gotten bitten yesterday, and they're nice, young, robust, great immune system, you can give them a treatment course based on how long they have symptoms, so I don't have like a deadline per se, and they're fine.
versus others who have more like coexisting conditions as you were mentioning earlier, the goal is to get these vector borne diseases in remission. It's kind of similar to how we do viruses, right? We never say, we're gonna cure your virus. We suppress it. And because Borrelia bedorphoridae, number one, is so smart that it creates this tricky biofilm.
on it, right? It, that protects it from being killed and allows for it to stay hidden from your immune system. And some of these organisms, Borrelia bedorferi, Bartonella and Babesia, names your listeners may not have heard of, they go into your cells, give their DNA to you, and then your immune system
starts fighting you. So that's that autoimmune phenomenon. The fancy word for it is molecular mimicry. It mimics you. So it's smart enough to do that. It has this protective coating called a biofilm. And at the same time, it wreaks such havoc in some patients that they do become immunocompromised and unable to completely eradicate the body. So when I tell the patients, look,
Josh Dech - CHN (21:41.507)Mm.
Eboni Cornish (21:43.291)By the time you've seen me, you've had this for more than a few years, and you most likely have some other imbalances that are causing your immune system to already be compromised, we're gonna build your body up so that we can tackle all the imbalances you have at baseline from a functional medicine standpoint, and then fight this thing.
this bug or bugs, because it's usually they call them co-infections because they all can call exist in remission. Like we have all the millions of other bugs that are living in our body. You know, that's what I mean about this vector and these vector borne illnesses. You have to ask yourself, well, what makes that person special and unique? Why someone can't get into remission and someone else can't. So that's what it is. It's gaining remission.
and not necessarily unfortunately cure. So that's how I like people to look at it and keep in with how we view viruses.
Josh Dech - CHN (22:46.03)Okay, so I want to dig into this a little bit because we talk about trading DNA. You say it gives its DNA to you and then this process of molecular mimicry. So your body identifies this thing. It says it looks just like me, but something's iffy. So I'm going to attack both this thing and myself. That's right.
Eboni Cornish (23:07.185)That is absolutely right. And so your immune system becomes all fired and hijacked. So it becomes overstimulated because it starts attacking you. And so you release all these chemical markers. And so then you have this underlying fire brewing, this high level of inflammation. And at the same time, your immune system is fighting off your own cells. May that be in the brain?
May that be in the thyroid, so the brain causing autoimmune conditions in the brain. May that be thyroid problems, hormone problems, cortisol problems, gut issues, and just other systemic illnesses. I get a lot of patients who come to my office and they may have been misdiagnosed as just rheumatoid arthritis. And then when we get down and get to the nitty gritty and we start treating some of these infections, they get better.
Or when it really gets cool and exciting is when I have a patient who suffers from one of these vector borne diseases, may that be most commonly Borrelia bedorphoridae, Babesia and Bartonella, then they get it and they have these autoimmune tests. So this rheumatologist has seen them and they have all these markers for autoimmune disease, but they don't present with the symptoms of that autoimmune disease.
and then they start getting better. And in fact, you can start seeing in some cases that marker for autoimmune go away once you treat the underlying infection. So I look at every autoimmune disease as being triggered by something either genetic or something toxic in our body and Lyme disease is no different. So I always encourage people who have rheumatologic disease, make sure you're ruling out.
these organisms.
Josh Dech - CHN (25:10.062)You're all caught up there? That's right. Have you recorded on Riverside before? cool, so you know how it works. Yeah, we're good. Okay, so let me throw a next question at you. I'm in the process right now of actually trying to challenge autoimmune disease as a concept. Now obviously we can see what we see with the lenses that we have. So my specialty is in Crohn's, colitis, and severe IBS. And the concept that Crohn's and colitis are autoimmune
Eboni Cornish (25:12.155)Yes.
Eboni Cornish (25:16.155)Yes.
Josh Dech - CHN (25:38.506)idiopathic, so unknown cause conditions that are just based on genetics, I believe to be entirely inaccurate, entirely false. And we've got hundreds of cases of people now fully reversed. We have to legally say remission. But the long and short of it is most of these people, 30 to 50 % have no antibodies at all. Zero. The ones that do, very few are actual auto antibodies. And many of these auto antibodies can be present and not actually still have your body attacking yourself.
We know that genetics play a small role. They don't work in a vacuum. Your environment, toxins, microbes all affect them. And something I've started to pick apart and tell me this may or may not apply to Lyme. And by the way, if you know anybody in a lab who's like, want to run this study, let me know and we'll connect. What I want to do is an antibody called P. Anka. I'll break down briefly for the listeners. Perinuclear anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic antibody. So this P. Anka is present in 70 %

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of all ulcerative colitis cases, give or take. And what it is is an antibody that attacks these neutrophils. Now neutrophils eat, right? Like phagocytosis, we call it, like Pac-Man, they'll swallow something into the belly and digest it, break it down. Well, this antibody is said to attack your neutrophils. And I thought, what if it's not? What if there's a toxin or there's a microbe or something in your body? Because I believe our bodies have so much innate intelligence wired into them that there's too many checks and balances for autoimmunity to occur.
And so this is where I'm starting. said, what if this antibody is not attacking the neutrophil? It recognizes there's something inside of its belly it can't digest. And instead of accumulating or these cells dying off and re-releasing, it produces an antibody to kill what's inside of its belly. And the neutrophils are being attacked with a bystander effect, right? They're kind of just in the way. And if we could actually split one of these neutrophils and put it in a dish with somebody who's got these P. Anka antibodies.
cut it in half and say, okay, what is this antibody attacking? The insides of the neutrophil or the neutrophil itself? And that would disprove this autoimmune theory, at least for this one particular antibody. Do you think that concept has potential to far reach more autoimmune type conditions? Like in Lyme, we're saying, look, it's molecular mimicry. Your body's attacking yourself. Is there a chance with this concept that your body is too intelligent to do that?
Josh Dech - CHN (27:59.416)and there might be something deeper we just don't understand yet.
Eboni Cornish (28:03.323)I would honestly say that at least 70 to 80 % of all autoimmune diseases are triggered by immune system dysregulation. May that be a dysregulation or imbalance with what's called the T helper cells and other what we call cytokines or chemicals that are produced and cause this overwhelming inflammation, fire in the body.
And like you said earlier, when we were talking about that molecular mimicry, meaning these organisms share their DNA, well, it's even bigger than that. Let's talk about things like biotoxins or mold illness, which also can trigger autoimmunity. Let's talk about these viruses like COVID, Epstein-Barr, and a lot of the herpes viruses. And we know.
viruses have molecular memory. That's what they're known for, integrating their own DNA. So I have seen, and this is just clinically, you know, we don't, don't need a test for this, but I agree in your research, but I see autoimmune disease resolve in patients when they look and treat the underlying root cause, because I think, yes, there's genetic risk.
But I am a big believer that so many patients with autoimmune diseases who may not fit that classic picture, I can't tell you how many people I see with autoimmune mixed connective tissue disease. And then they're put on all of these things that might compromise the immune system or Crohn's or lupus. And they're placed on these immunocompromising agents that in a sense, they wanna get the immune system more structured.
and more organized so it stops attacking your cells. But at the same time, it neglects the fact that there is always a trigger for this problem. And if you don't figure out the trigger or triggers, then we're in trouble. And even may it be the toxins in our environment, our foods, our lifestyle, even lack of sleep, all of those things can cause and contribute to an overwhelming
Eboni Cornish (30:28.103)under an inflammatory burden that gives your body the ability to become more susceptible to some of these toxins like mold, Lyme, other infections to have that possibility to cause that molecular mimicry and trigger this autoimmune response. And I totally agree with you. It's something, as you said, in the belly that's causing this. And I treat a lot of patients with inflammatory bowel disease. I've had Crohn's patients, also the rate of colitis.
and they've had the antibodies as well. Now we can never generalize this. I don't want anyone listening to us saying this is every single person, right? But I have had cases whereby they might have had Borrelia bedorphi in their gut or underlying chronic tick-borne diseases. And when you calm down that immune system, those gut symptoms get better. So that's one thing I always advocate for my patients who come to my office with autoimmune disease.
Josh Dech - CHN (31:03.48)course.
Eboni Cornish (31:27.301)Yes, you probably have autoimmune triggers, but let's figure out why. I always ask my patients with autoimmune disease, why do you have autoimmune disease? Most of the time, I don't know. Or they might say, yeah, my mother had it. I was born this way. So if they say, I don't know, then that's when I gotta do some digging. I gotta do some research.
Josh Dech - CHN (31:41.56)Sure, we assume it's genetic,
Josh Dech - CHN (31:49.024)It's an interesting concept to pursue. I mean, if we say you have these autoimmune conditions and it's obviously got to have a trigger and there's different legs to that table, like leaky gut, plus a stimulant of some kind, plus genetic predisposition, there's legs to the autoimmune disease table. But if you remove all of those, you remove all the triggers and the immune system balances itself and the symptoms go away, why can't we call it a cure? Why do we still have to call it remission?
Eboni Cornish (32:15.247)I think because people can still flare up later. You know, and I think if you tell someone, you're cured, and then they go back to an unhealthy lifestyle, or they get another exposure, or they go back to that moldy environment, and where they have those insults on the body that then cause their immune system to be compromised, things may flare up again. You may have a relapse.
So I think it's when people hear that word cure, they're like, ooh, I'm done. Let me go back to my old ways. Let me go back to eat my sugar. Let me go out to drinking. Let me go out, you know. And they think it's gone for the rest of their lives where when you start having this inflammatory burden, this molecular mimicry, this low immune system, you gotta be careful because if you get that burden back up, it might come back.
So you really, and I see that, I'll see a patient, they'll have a positive ANA, which is an autoimmune marker for the listeners, and they won't have any other markers high for rheumatology, nothing else. We treat them, that ANA, which is a marker for inflammation, goes away. Rejoice, rejoice. Rheumatologist is like, I don't want to see you anymore anyway. Whatever you're doing, keep it up. They go back to good old unhealthy lifestyle or get another infection.
especially with COVID or other viruses and boom, ANA's back up, symptoms are back up. So because of the fact that things can relapse is a problem.
Josh Dech - CHN (33:44.046)Well, but I think that's inevitable though. Right, but that's an inevitability. mean, I guess my question is, is the word remission patient protective or medically inaccurate? It's like saying, well, I went out and I jumped off a two story building and I broke my leg. My leg is healed, so my wound is quote cured. I went back and jumped off the building again. Does that mean my leg break was just in remission or did I do something dumb to injure myself again?

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So I suppose I pose the question again, if somebody's eating a bad lifestyle, they're living in a moldy environment, like we get sick for three reasons, some kind of toxin, some kind of microbial infection and some sort of deficiency. There's really nothing else, right? So if we go back to imbalancing those things that make us sick, is it the fact that I was just in remission or did I get cured and I made myself sick once again?
Eboni Cornish (34:20.187)Mm-hmm. Right.
Eboni Cornish (34:35.867)Well, I think the tricky thing with vector-borne illnesses is what I said earlier, is that they do have that ability to shift into this biofilm in cyst form and lay dormant. I mean, they even had studies where they sacrificed monkeys after they were treated with ib-rocephan for 30 days, and this was in the 70s, and you still cultured these monkeys afterwards when they died.
Eboni Cornish (35:03.051)and they still had Borrelia bedorferi in the DNA. Okay? So we have that evidence. That stuff is out there. That's real deal. And so because of that, our understanding is that especially with, if we're gonna concentrate just on what people traditionally know as Lyme is Borrelia bedorferi, it does create that cyst wall that's a protective layer around it. It does have that molecular
Mimicry so we can't necessarily say we're gonna have all new DNA one day. That's great. That doesn't happen That's not reality if something's in your DNA. It's gonna be in your gene pool It's connected to you and so it does go into remission for this disorder So that's what I mean. It's it's a different morphology than most so sure we can say you got strep throat or you got this or you broke your leg You're cured. Yeah out of here
but they don't have that same kind of mechanism of transmission and resistance as this does, as Borrelia midorferi, as Babesia, as Bartonella, and as viruses, you know? They get into you. They're a part of you.
Josh Dech - CHN (36:08.119)Mm.
Josh Dech - CHN (36:13.719)Right.
So to beat this one to death then, I mean, the reason we still have these relapses then is because whatever that trigger that toxin that imbalance of that microbe that infected us, the only reason then, unless I'm misunderstanding, we keep getting sick or go back into these relapses from remission is because we never actually removed the thing that made us sick. Is that more accurate to say that your immune system is permanently imbalanced? So you'll flare up in any given chance randomly, or is it to say that there's still something in there? We just don't know how to
Eboni Cornish (36:21.799)Okay.
Josh Dech - CHN (36:47.6)fully remove it and then rebalance your immune system.
Eboni Cornish (36:51.441)think the latter is appropriate. think that, you know, and you have to remember we have, Lyme isn't that special. We have tons of other bugs in our body that can potentially activate, do the wrong thing and make us ill, right? So Lyme is no different. It's just more aggressive. What happens is just like you said, it goes into your DNA. It goes into this cyst or biofilm form. It lays dormant. You're living your life.
You're perfectly fine. And then there's that risk of another insult. So it's like chronic disease in nature. You get a risk because your body is compromised for whatever reason. May it be another infection, may that be emotional stress, not sleeping, poor dieting, other toxins, and moldy building. And that may flare back up. I think of it kind of like Michael Jackson, you know, the video thriller. It's like he walks in the graveyard.
Josh Dech - CHN (37:48.225)Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (37:49.927)pulls all the zombies up and they start dancing. You know, that's what Lyme does. That's what COVID can do. That's what a lot of bugs can do. They flare up what you weren't even thinking about or what you might not have known was in you. And that's the majority of my patients. They may have had Lyme transmitted in utero from their mother. They may have had Lyme 20, 30 years ago and they were fine and hanging out and living their best life. And then boom, you get this compromised state.
Josh Dech - CHN (38:09.24)heard of that.
Josh Dech - CHN (38:17.048)Wow.
Eboni Cornish (38:18.605)of inflammation and low immunity or other infections and then party is over and the zombies are waking up.

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Josh Dech - CHN (38:25.58)Yeah, that's much less thrilling for your life than Michael Jackson. That's so it is really just hidden infections that continue to come back, which I suppose still leaves some hope that one day maybe we'll have the ability to fully remove these things, which we could use the big daunting C word of cure for some of these autoimmune conditions, I suppose, theoretically.
Eboni Cornish (38:30.044)Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (38:45.521)We need people like you to keep doing the research and asking the right questions. That's only way we're going to get those official cures. People like you, people who are inquisitive and educating so many people about these problems, where somebody listening might say, I want to do that too. Because that's what we need out there. We need intellectual curiosity in order to beat these.
Josh Dech - CHN (39:11.886)Yeah, we do. Unfortunately, the general public and much of the scientific community is not always conducive to curiosity if it goes against the accepted narrative, but screw those guys, whatever. I have been removed, banned from many Reddit communities for Crohn's colitis and I cite all my stuff. I answer a question, hear my thoughts, here's the research articles, here's how I interpret these and what I've seen in practice.
Eboni Cornish (39:23.963)Hahaha
Josh Dech - CHN (39:35.5)And I've been banned from these because they don't want to hear it. Right. It's this genetic thing and I'll have it for life. And this is my story now, which is its own psychology altogether. But let's continue the psychology brain train. You mentioned something about brain imaging. They see these inflammation that might be incongruent with depression, anxiety. When someone comes in with Lyme and you're doing brain imaging, you're looking for inflammation. First of all, what are you doing for imaging? What are we looking at?
And then what can it tell us about your diseases, your symptoms, even maybe your roots and what to do for your healing process?
Eboni Cornish (40:11.527)And that's what I am very passionate about because I know I'm passionate about all of this. Don't get it wrong. I just don't want to be banned off Reddit. So don't get me banned off Reddit, know, being friends. But no, but honestly, neuroinflammation is the big missing piece when it comes to understanding all these neurological conditions.
Josh Dech - CHN (40:15.392)We should have started with this. All right.
Josh Dech - CHN (40:22.252)No, screw Reddit. Reddit's a cesspool.
Eboni Cornish (40:40.517)because the brain is key, it's connected to the gut, it's connected to every part of our body, and what is the first symptom you usually have when you're sick? I'm tired. That's a neurological problem. I have a headache. I'm this. Those are all rooting back to the brain. And whenever I see a patient, you know, because I have an intensive program at Aiman Clinic where
It's like two weeks and I focus only on neuroinflammation and I do this for all other patients as well. So when you're coming to me and you're telling me I have neurological symptoms, may that be depression, anxiety, insomnia, you know, or any of the other symptoms we've mentioned that can be associated with vector-borne diseases or other infections or those as severe.
as Parkinsonian features of multiple sclerosis. anything that involves the brain, which is the majority of symptoms presenting to the office, I send them, a lot of them, for SPECT scan imaging. That's what we do here at Amen Clinic. And I collaborate with psychiatrists who also do SPECT scan imaging for their
patients who have mental health because we know mental health is brain health. There's really one thing brain health is mental health. And then for me, I look at these underlying infections and I call it neuroinflammation means the brain is on fire. So what a SPECT scan is, it's a 3D image of your brain. It's not like an MRI or CT. It's a 3D. So it's looking at your brain like if I
Cut your scalp open and skull right now took the brain out and looked at it. So it's a beautiful 3d image of your brain it shows you What areas of the brain are working hard? what areas of the brain are not working hard enough and if that brain is Inflamed and dr. Amen with all his you know over we have like over 200,000 scans
Eboni Cornish (43:05.913)at the 11 amen clinics around the country that they've done over the years, you have a certain algorithm. So for psychiatry, there are certain patterns that might be in keeping with mood disorders like PTSD patterns or depression or anxiety, ADHD, traumatic brain injury. And then from a neuro-inflammatory standpoint, I look at certain features
Eboni Cornish (43:33.927)that we call inflammation. That could be from toxins. That could be from mold or a lime. So it kinda helps you know what questions to ask. So it doesn't give you a definitive diagnosis, but it really helps you know what questions to ask. And you won't know unless you look if this is really a neuroinflammatory process or brain process at all. You need to look.
So that's why I love it. I mean, it changed my world when I learned how to diagnose and interpret spec scans because it just made a whole lot of difference in how I treated my patients.
Josh Dech - CHN (44:16.014)I'm looking at a spec scan right now and it's really neat. I'm seeing some of them that show it looks like almost drawing like a 3D image of a brain with all the deeps and grooves. Some of them are almost like a rounded play-doh and they're highlighted with different colors and green and purples and pinks. It's kind of pretty. And so these spec scans...

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Are they as necessary as something else? Like for example, I went in recently did an organic acid test and that's a urine test for the listener. And that one tells you all kinds of stuff, both cellular health, metabolic health, all that good stuff. And I can see in my markers, things like kinelinic acid. I can see my kind of Neuric acid markers. And we looked at this and was like, I think I got some brain inflammation. It might be a mold issue, which lines up my symptoms. So why would I go and get like a spec scan?
What's the benefit of that versus something like an organic acid test where I'm getting some of these other inflammatory markers that could show my brain's having trouble?
Eboni Cornish (45:10.789)You can have a test, but that doesn't take away from me or anyone being a clinician. You can have all the testing in the world, but is it really impacting you at this point in time? And that's why you need to look, because you can have neurotransmitter imbalances, mold imbalances, Lyme disease, all kinds of studies that are positive.
Josh Dech - CHN (45:18.028)Right, yes, yes.
Eboni Cornish (45:40.059)But if you don't look, you can't say confidently that that is an inflammatory product because I see it all the time. The reason I learned is, you know, I told you earlier that psychiatrists would look at the 3D imaging and our wonderful tailored, you know, algorithms diagnostic tool to determine what disorders might be from a psychiatric nature. Okay.
But then when you look at and cross out mental health and you know that it's truly brain health, you want to find out, wait, what else is going on? Right. So it's like someone saying, Hey, you have this neurological disorder. it really neurological disorder or is your brain being triggered for inflammation? And so many times I'll see patients who come to my office and yes, it might be
pretty pictures on the scan, they mean a lot because some areas might have deficits and you're not getting brain blood flow to those areas or they may be too active and you can't shut your brain off. So no matter how many wonderful things I give you, your brain is in such a hyperactive state that it's not going to respond or you may have a this is what I've seen so many times you're being treated for years.
Eboni Cornish (47:06.385)for all these things, neurological, IV antibiotics, this and that, I get a brain scan and it's like, oops, that person has frontal temporal dementia. I can't treat that. And they have all the markers, all the O test, all the Mo test, and that might be irreversible. Or wait, you didn't tell me that you're suffering here, yes, but you also had a traumatic brain injury that we didn't know about and we're not supporting your concussion history or.
Josh Dech - CHN (47:16.91)sure.
Josh Dech - CHN (47:21.121)Mmm, that's good.
Eboni Cornish (47:34.243)you have a pattern that's in keeping with sleep apnea. And the coolest part of all is what I see so often as I see patients who present with patterns that are in keeping with PTSD or what's called the vagus nerve that's overstimulated, where they're in a constant fight or flight and their brain can't calm down. And that's when I'm saying, wait, wait, wait, I can give you all the treatments and treat all these tests imbalances.
But unless I calm your brain, then you're not gonna respond as well. So those might be patients who you do something called limbic system retraining first. You calm down the vagus nerve, you calm down those pathways, and then the brain feels safer to start healing. Or you might have to deal with trauma. I mean, how traumatic is it being sick for numerous years?
Eboni Cornish (48:30.777)investing in all tests and changing doctors and taking so many drugs and meds and supplements and still not being better. That's trauma within and of itself. And then you might need other modalities of treatment, like something called EMDR, which doctors at AMIC Clinic are big fans of, and biofeedback, which help calm that limbic system, help treat trauma, and then the brain is calmer.
So that's the point, you don't wanna miss that because sure, you can have abnormal tests all day long, all day long. But when you look at that brain, you can say, wait, let me find out this person isn't really inflamed anymore, we're just dealing with a limbic system that won't calm down and boom, I give them GABA, limbic retraining, L-theanine, something that calms them down. It's like, wait, okay, great, you're feeling better.
or wait, you got sleep apnea. You know, those things are real and you won't know until you look. And that's when it changed my practice, because I was just like you. Oh yeah, they have all these tests. me treat, treat, treat. Oh, it's not working. I'm gonna keep, keep, treating, keep this. Let me give you 70 supplements. You're taking 80 pills a day. And then if I looked at your brain, it would help kind of consolidate what I'm recommending and keep us focused.
Josh Dech - CHN (49:48.194)That is such a good answer. And this is why you're the brain specialist. I'm not Ebony. That was perfect. That is so good. I don't think I could have answered that even in my own field as beautifully as that. It's so many moving parts. I would love to get a SPECT scan. I'm up here in Canada. So we'd be making a trip down to get one done. When someone goes into your clinic to get a scan done, can we talk about like what it costs, what's involved, what that looks like to come into your clinic to get some of this work done?
Eboni Cornish (49:59.175)thank you.
Eboni Cornish (50:17.915)So your closest clinic, what part of Canada? Because it'll either be Washington State, because we have clinics in Washington State. We have three clinics in California. So Walnut Creek, LA, Costa Mesa. We have Dallas, we have Phoenix. We have my clinic, which is in DC area, Chicago. We have Atlanta, Fort Lauderdale, New York. So we have clinics everywhere, you know, around the country.
Josh Dech - CHN (50:21.152)Alberta.

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Josh Dech - CHN (50:43.798)I the question is where do I want to go on vacation? That's great. Yeah, braincation. We're all about it.
Eboni Cornish (50:46.583)Exactly. Why not? It's a brain vacation. Hello brain vacation. There you go. See, then you find out what's really going on there. So you would go to one of your local clinics and there are different methods you go through. we have the full psychiatric panel where you see a psychiatrist. They'll interpret if there's mood disorders, they'll get you on holistic treatments for your brain health.
And then you can see a functional medicine doctor like myself. I'm associate medical director, but I'm also functional medicine. So I look at the root cause. So they'll tell you why you're feeling this way. And I'm like, what, what's going on in the brain? Or you can take the treatment approach of calling and saying, Hey, I have medical problems. I've heard you, you're talking about Lyme, you're talking about intensive treatment, you're talking about, you know, autoimmune disease. I don't necessarily know.
if my mood is affected, but I still want to get a brain scan. So you do that separately. That's when you would say, you I want to see Dr. Cornish for a scan only eval. You would still get that scan at the closest clinic. And then because we do telehealth, no matter where you live, you would have to just travel to the closest area, amen clinics, get your scan and then see that doctor.
But the prices are all over because it depends on what you want. Because you can have one scan, you can have two scans, concentration scan and baseline scan. You can see psychiatry and functional medicine. You can just see psychiatry, but I'm sure your listeners are more inclined to see functional health as well. You can get that medical sample. you know, it depends on what.
Josh Dech - CHN (52:36.866)These are all different scans, hey?
Eboni Cornish (52:39.193)Yeah, and it depends or you can even have the ability to say I'm really tired of having this neuroinflammation All these doctors are failing me and then you have the ability to have a two week in person Camp kind of speak where you get all your diagnostic testing from Lyme to mold to environmental toxins to gut work And then you get your IVs, know, depending on what you need may that be NAD or glutathione or antibiotics
You get your treatment care. You sit with a doctor twice a week for two weeks. You get your coaching, your nutrition. So that's like even the intense, that's our neuroinflammatory intensive program. So it's something to meet everyone's budget and their needs. It just depends on what that person is interested in. But I highly recommend getting that looked at. you're having neurological changes, and this isn't like a commercial, this is real.
You know, this is what has changed my entire paradigm because like I said earlier, you really won't know until you look you want and it's not going to show up necessarily. It may not show up necessarily on an MRI. Some of these problems or a CT scan, which are one dimensional. So that's what I think is so cool is that it's a wide wide variety of services from functional only to functional psychiatry.
to mental health only so it's all across the board even till intensive. So can't give you the prices of all of that. So you just have to reach out and find out whatever you are interested in and be crafted to your needs.
Josh Dech - CHN (54:14.36)Sure, sure, I need a catalog.
Josh Dech - CHN (54:20.078)I think that's brilliant. It's what kind of patterns are you seeing in brain scans of somebody with Lyme disease? You talk about inflammation in the brain. What sort of things are we seeing and how does that impact the brain function?
Eboni Cornish (54:31.239)All right, so I know it's listeners, but I want you to imagine this. So let's talk about the 3D image of your brain. And you're gonna walk through this with me. So I want you to put your hands here. Do this, you. Yeah, put your hands on top of the head, you. And put your thumbs on the side, okay? Now, the top of your head here is something called a parietal lobe. That's at the top of your skull, okay?
Josh Dech - CHN (54:44.344)Unless you're driving, put your hands on the wheel.
Eboni Cornish (55:00.259)That's an area where you can see this pattern, all right, where they have what we call deficits or decrease in blood flow, which we think of as inflammation. It's a fancy word called scalloping. Okay. So that's kind of where you look for that. And you can also have focus problems and the like. And then on the sides where you got your thumbs, that's called the temporal lobe. You know, that's right above kind of, we're kind of thinking about if you're listening,
Josh Dech - CHN (55:19.054)Okay.
Josh Dech - CHN (55:22.926)Kind of on the temples there,
Eboni Cornish (55:29.985)near the side of your head around to your a little bit past your ear. That's the part that's responsible for kind of memory and kind of like your language. So when you're having those problems and then in front of your hands, you go into your forehead, that's the frontal lobe. So that's where you're having problems with focus and other things executive function. Then you go all the way back like if you're doing a nice stretch on the beach and at the bottom,
You have two things all the way the bottom. can't really feel it. You can't really feel many of this, but it's called the cerebellum. And that's, that's the boss that controls the front of the brain that sends all the signals. And then you have another low back here called occipital that's responsible for your vision. So when you visualize that that's 3d, I see that. Okay. And with toxicity, you can have, because we're looking at blood flow, decreased blood flow.
in those areas we talked about. And it shows up as a deficit and what people think of as holes on this surface area. That just means blood's not getting there, you know? So that could be on the top, that could be in the front and then the back. Or you may see on a second part of the scan, which is called the actin, where you're looking real deep down. So we couldn't even put our hands there. It's like real deep down in the brain. And that's where you're seeing those areas I talked about earlier.
that stay in fight or flight. And I know I've overwhelmed your listeners with big words. I know like what? Click. But at the same time, it's so awesome because you have this area in the brain, these two areas specifically that are responsible for fight or flight and keeping you anxious. And that's called the limbic system. That's the basal galeothalamus. It keeps you in overdrive, day in and day out, thinking about anxiety, those when you can't turn your brain down.

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Eboni Cornish (57:28.111)And then you have this really cool area which can tell you if you have OCD or you you put them all together, you might have trauma or you're looking at the front, you might have ADHD pictures. And then the money shot is when you look in the back at the cerebellum and you can have decreased blood flow. So when I told you executive functioning, you're not functioning. So in TIG-borne diseases,
I'll see different patterns. I'll see those deficits I referred to, which are called scalloping, where theirs looks like holes because there are decreased activities in areas of the brain at the top and the back and the sides. It's just like inflammatory. Or when I look deeper into that brain, it's like lights out. It's either lights out, meaning there is really no activity going on, you know, and it's just like quiet.
as we call it, or it can be lights on, too much, too much activity in the brain. And that's another sign of inflammation. So you look at the brain, you look at the history, and you can compare two studies, one when your body's all revved up, and then one when you're chilling out, that's called baseline, and see differences, which is what makes brain scans so cool. And you can't do that.
or evaluate inflammation from really from just test alone. You get all the test positive ever. If you test, you're gonna come up positive. So don't misunderstand. I test, I do mole treatment. do pans and pandas. I do lime. I mean, it's not anything you don't do because you're in functional medicine from hormones. You gotta look at the functioning person. But when it comes to the brain,
Josh Dech - CHN (59:06.712)Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (59:20.943)I really love looking at it and my patients laugh so much because I'm like, I can't wait. I can't wait to look at your brain. I cannot wait. And especially if it's not inflammatory. That's when it's like, look, these bugs may not be as active. These toxins may not be as active. So let's find out what's really going on. Let's calm that brain down or let's figure out if it's that time you hit your head a few years ago. Let's figure out what else we need to be doing.
Josh Dech - CHN (59:26.35)You
Eboni Cornish (59:48.015)So that is so awesome. It's the best thing ever.
Josh Dech - CHN (59:49.838)That's incredible. No kidding, that's wild. So the natural question to ask then, you look at one of these scans, you see these lights out spots, like the brain is just not active or incredibly inactive. How are we alive and functioning? How do we even get through the day if we got these supposed holes in the function of our brain?
Eboni Cornish (01:00:08.293)Well, it's not, that's what it looks like. It's not actual holes. It's decrease in blood flow. And that's the one thing when people look at scans, that's why I was mentioning people like, my God, there's holes. No, that just means it's not that much uptake in that particular area. So you still have blood flow going through your brain, but when you compare it to what normal should look like, it's decreased. And those deficits,
Josh Dech - CHN (01:00:10.71)Yeah, of course.
Eboni Cornish (01:00:37.007)are what provide that imaging abnormality. So you're not walking around with a hole in your head. You're not walking around without getting blood to your brain, but it's just a difference in the amount that you have versus what is required and normal. So that's the kind of the way I like to look at it. So it's deficits. That's what I mean. What areas of your brain are working too hard and what areas of the brain are not?
Josh Dech - CHN (01:00:44.814)That's good news,
Josh Dech - CHN (01:00:56.696)Okay. Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (01:01:06.309)working hard enough. So that is looking at activity.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:01:11.074)Got it. So it's kind of like I've got low energy because I've got some kind of toxin. I'm not eating the right food. So I'm deficient in basic nutrients. So my body will ramp up my adrenal glands to produce extra energy to kind of get me through the day. So like it has ways of going about a little bit of compensation, but you're not dead. It's not like your heart stopped beating because you're low energy. I gotcha. Okay. Not dead.
Eboni Cornish (01:01:35.303)You're not dead, but it's the brain has this, you know, beautiful thing about it. Cause it's like, you know, a laser effect. And I tell people all the time, like let's say even something as simple as sleep apnea, you're walking around snoring, you don't want to use your CPAP. So you're killing brain cells. You're killing them. When the brain cells die, they're gone. But it's so much cooler because when they're damaged,
they can be repaired. So if we catch, and that's why we do brain imaging, because we can look at areas of your brain that are damaged, and then we can get scans afterwards and see the results of the hard work you put in because there'll be improvements. So it's looking at those damaged, those areas that aren't working well enough, how to get the juice it needs to get it going, but know that it can, the body can heal itself. And so can the brain, unless you let it go too far.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:02:34.03)That's amazing. It really is an amazing system. You know, as a little anecdote, used to be a paramedic. think I started that was probably 19, maybe 20. And it was a pretty awesome career. And one of the things that we had heard a story about was all the way back in a little town of Chatham, Ontario. And this was probably 2010. There was a little boy who fell through the ice in the river. And, you know, typical what two minutes of that oxygen your brain starts dying off. And this little boy was under the water for 45 minutes.
Eboni Cornish (01:03:00.1)Mm-hmm.

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Josh Dech - CHN (01:03:03.254)And by the time they pulled him out and revived him, he was perfectly fine. No lasting brain damage. What happens there? Why is your body able to preserve the brain like that? Is it the colds that stop cellular respiration? Like what happens in a situation where you're submerged without oxygen? Okay, well there you go. Sorry, dude. Yeah, moving on. I'll just pull it back and edit this part out. Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (01:03:16.945)Well, you just said it, you just answered it. You just stole my thunder, man. Next question.
Next question everybody I Should give you the white coat today, man. You just just stole my thunder I was gonna try to do it all fancy, but that is it is what it is. Yeah Yeah, okay in another way but no honestly,
Josh Dech - CHN (01:03:31.288)Thank you, thank you, great. that's a bummer. We'll edit this part out, we'll re-ask the question again. So your brain has these preserving mechanisms, yeah. That's really rad, that's super cool. So your body's like this brain, I need it for everything. Whatever we have to do, everything else will be shut down and compromised so that I can preserve this thing. That's bananas to me. Like what an amazing bit of innate intelligence in our hardware, isn't it? Just blows my brain.
Eboni Cornish (01:03:59.353)It is. The body is so amazing. It's so amazing. And so is the brain, I'm telling you.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:04:02.51)Well, here's what I want to do. Oh, it is. It's incredible. I'm going to give you a thunder stick back to you here, Ebony. We've covered a lot of ground. Now I want to throw it back open mic. Anything we haven't mentioned, anything we haven't talked about fun facts, things you want somebody to know or like takeaways. Like, dude, you need to know this before anything else. What do you want to say?
Eboni Cornish (01:04:23.513)Another disorder that I treat a lot is chronic strep called PANDAS. So that's called pediatric, so kids, autoimmune, like we talked about earlier, autoimmune, so this ties in autoimmunity, neuropsychiatric, so psychiatric, symptoms, which can be associated with strep, with tick-borne disease, with other infections, mycoplasma, pneumonia.
things of that nature. So what happens is this, your child, and even in adults, can get an exposure to a bug, like strep throat, or tick-borne diseases, or viruses. And then overnight, their personality just changes. They're more anxious, they start bedwetting again, they're more volatile, they're arguing, you know, they're just regressing and they're
Schoolwork and their handwriting they have these ticks where they might be doing the same thing over time. You just don't recognize your child It's not a bad child. You need to get them evaluated because there are markers that could be associated with chronic strep chronic Lyme chronic viruses and Mycoplasma and you can't treat that with mood medications. So that's just another disorder. So if any listener has a child
and their mood change, during this time with COVID, you know, and being indoors as well with moldy buildings and homes, if your child's personality is changing, then you need to think about a root cause because that is something that is missed so often, but it's so rewarding to the families when you see it because you got to think of these complexes in kids. And also brain health and mental health.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:06:14.54)Hmm.
Eboni Cornish (01:06:18.541)Mental health is brain health. So if you're listening and you're suffering from any type of condition that impacts your mood, you're on all these meds that aren't working, you're out there struggling, find a root cause. Because if your mood disorder is due to one of the things we've been mentioning today, you can't treat that with an antidepressant.
or anti-psychotic, you can't, you deserve to have the ability to research what your real problem is, because it may not be all in your head. And to the other listeners who might be struggling, they've tried so much, they got baskets of supplements, baskets of antibiotics, and they've been diagnosed with LOD, they've seen Naturopath, they've seen this person, they've seen that, and they're still struggling, well that's when you need to look.
for to, you know, intense kind of getting in there, looking at that brain, getting, you know, like I talked about the neuroinflammatory program, you can get in there and get, you know, aggressively treated or at least seeing what your brain shows so you can find out what the dominant player is at this point in time. So it's all about hope and knowing that if you have something there is
most likely a contributing factor. Just don't walk around just saying, my doctor's right, I'm crazy, or hey, it is quote unquote fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue, which are nebulous terms. Get the help you need. Don't stop trying.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:08:00.311)Mm-hmm.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:08:03.854)I love that. And unfortunately, these a lot of these doctors, especially your GP is not really going to know what to do with it. They're not going to know where to send you. And that's why this podcast exists. That's why we have guests like you on. So you can listen to this and you can say, Hey, this sounds like me. I'm going to pursue something. And you know what? I like the cut of Ebony's jib. Let's see if we can get ahold of her.
Ebony, where can someone find you if they're like, hey, I really like the way you work. I think this would be a really cool fit. I'd love to come visit you, see you, follow you on social. Where do you want to send somebody?
Eboni Cornish (01:08:35.911)So, um, AIMing Clinic, like I said, I'm at the AIMing Clinics. Um, we have one in Virginia where I do, I have like 11 medical licenses because I do a lot of telehealth. Eleven, yeah. I keep it up. I know because with COVID. Yeah, because with COVID you had to, right? It suffering people. People are suffering and there are not a lot of people who think like us, right? There are not a lot of doctors like you mentioned earlier with a GP.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:08:46.511)Jeez
That's so many. Yeah, no kidding. There's you got your thunder back. You're great. Yeah. Yeah.

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Josh Dech - CHN (01:09:01.624)Yeah.
Eboni Cornish (01:09:04.709)known as time in the GP office in 15 minutes to do this kind of work. So the Amy clinics, I'm in the DC area and that phone number is 703-880-4000. You can also reach me through my assistant, which is D R Cornish. So my name is C O R N I S H assist a S
at amenclinics.com. Look at me with my spelling bee coming back. You can also find me on Instagram at dr.ebbanycornish, you know, E-B-O-N-I-C-O-R-N-I-S-H or at the amenclinics.com.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:09:47.79)Bang on.
Eboni Cornish (01:10:02.179)Instagram or even Dr. Amen because they share a lot of stories that are posted in links and you can also go to our website at www.amenclinics.com. All of those are great ways if you wanted to get in touch. Like I said, our clinic, we have them all over the country. We do telehealth because that's important.
And we just gotta, you know, this brain health is so important in this, and especially chronic infections and how they contribute to it. So, man, I love this stuff. And, you know, if you can do that, that's great, but just know that you need to find someone who can help you. You deserve that. You know, God didn't create us to suffer. Our body is beautiful and we can heal. And that's the real deal. You can.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:10:37.538)Amazing.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:10:56.586)I that's amazing. I subscribe to that. I don't believe we've ever been created for disease. It's just a byproduct of the unfortunate modern world we live in, which is not compatible with our own biology anymore. So.
Eboni Cornish (01:11:08.111)It isn't.
Josh Dech - CHN (01:11:09.258)Dr. Cornish this has been one hell of a conversation I've learned so much and I really appreciate your time your experience and expertise being here just sharing everything I'm gonna make sure everything that you just listed it's all in the show notes If you guys are driving like shit, missed that phone number. Everything's gonna be in the show notes name Instagram website phone number email. It's all gonna be there for you guys to get connected to and I'll look forward to hearing your stories. If you do go see Ebony just send me an email Let me know how it went. I want to know all about it
On that note, thanks so much for listening guys. We'll see you on the next one.

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