February 27, 2025 • 66 mins
Hey there, fellow nerds! In this episode of Scene N Nerd, your favorite dynamic duo, Sarah Belmont and Will Polk, are wrapping up Black History Month by giving a shoutout to the amazing Madeline Anderson—the first Black woman to produce and direct a documentary film. Her groundbreaking work, including her contributions to "Sesame Street" and the documentary "Integration Report One," really highlights why we need more representation in media. (0:00)
Next, they dive into the freshly dropped trailer for "Andor." Buckle up as they chat about its dramatic vibe and how it sets the stage for the upcoming season. Will shares his hot take on the unique strategy of dropping three episodes at once, while Sarah spills her mixed feelings about the pacing and overall impact. (5:00)
Then, it's time for the main event! The hosts break down the penultimate episode of "Paradise." Tensions are through the roof as characters confront their pasts amid a global crisis. The emotional rollercoaster is brought to life through the complex dynamics between Cal and Xavier, showcasing the human element during all that chaos. (14:15)
Finally, they wrap things up with their thoughts on the latest episodes of "Invincible." Expect some frustrations about the pacing and character development, especially when it comes to Mark and Eve's relationship. The duo discusses the need for stronger narratives and character arcs as they look ahead to what’s next. (50:50)
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✍️ Episode References
Madeline Anderson
https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/filmmaker-madeline-anderson
Sesame Street
https://www.sesamestreet.org/
The Electric Company
https://www.pbs.org/
Infinity Factor
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070494/
Integration Report One
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240364/
I Am Somebody
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070495/
Andor
https://www.starwars.com/series/andor
Paradise
https://press.hulu.com/shows/paradise/
The Boys
https://www.amazon.com/The-Boys/dp/B08D6V7C4P
Love and Basketball
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200000/
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>> Sarah (00:00):
Greetings nerds. This is Scene a Nerd I'm your host Sarah Belmont and
with me as always is our Mr. Producer Will Polk How are you doing
tonight Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this Thursday evening?
>> Sarah (00:10):
I'm doing good. It's the end of February.
>> Will (00:13):
It is. This month is like zip by.
>> Sarah (00:15):
All right, do you want to start with the Black History
Month entertainment moment? Last one?
>> Will (00:21):
Yeah, yeah, last one for this month.
Hope everyone's been enjoying these features and like I said I try to dig
a little deeper and just like actors and that kind of
stuff. So today I have
a pioneering filmmaker and television
producer. Her name is Madeline Anderson
and she is often credited as the first
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black woman to produce and direct a documentary
film. she was also the first black woman to
produce and direct the syndicated TV series
and also the first
black employee at a New York based public TV station. And
she was also first the first black woman to join a film
editors union. And so some of the things that
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folks probably are very familiar with that she had
a role in was Sesame Street. She was an in
house producer for ah, Sesame street and the Electric Company on
the children's show Builder Workshop. And
the syndicated TV series that she did was was
a program in the in the 70s called
the the Infinity Factor and it was
basically teaching math and science
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to themes show that
was targeted towards inner city youth.
And so that was the syndicated
show that she did. And as far as the documentary,
the documentary was called Integration Report
one which she was the producer behind
that and it was a documentary
about the planning for the first march on
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Washington in the 1960s. So that was
the film that she was credited as a director for. And she also
did another one called I Am Somebody and did some shorts
tribute to Malcolm X. So drop a link to
the Smithsonian where you can like read all
about her. There's a great video about her experiences and stuff
in their ah cinema, their Cinema plus Conversation
series as part of the oral history projects at the
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Smithsonian. And I'll drop that in the show notes where folks can
learn more about her and her work.
>> Sarah (02:15):
That's cool. That's very cool.
Yeah and I, I think it's been, I think it's been
good with all the spotlights and yeah
expand like dropping little pizz pieces
of entertainment history and
knowledge. I think that's always good.
>> Will (02:32):
Yeah for sure. I mean I know, I know in, in doing
this Weekly, on our. For our show,
I really did, like I said, try to go little bit
deeper than, you know, what are the top 10 black films or
that kind of stuff. You know, I was really trying to, like, learn.
Learn some new things for myself because I did not know about Madeline
Anderson prior to doing, our, prep for this week.
(02:52):
And then also, Yeah. So, you know, so hopefully,
educate our listeners as well.
>> Sarah (02:58):
Can I. Okay. I just have a question about the top 10
black films.
>> Will (03:02):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:03):
Is, Love and Basketball anywhere on that
list?
>> Will (03:07):
yeah, it is. Well, I guess it depends if you go by
genre. so. Yeah,
so, yeah, well, I tried to make sure it was, like, things
sort of in our. In our space if.
But, But, yeah, Love Basketball is one of them, as far as,
like, I think overall.
>> Sarah (03:22):
But I respect that because I adore that
movie.
>> Will (03:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:26):
Yeah, it's arguably one
of the blackest movies that I'm really
familiar with. I
mean, I just. I just adore that movie so
much. And, Do you want to play
again? I just.
I. I own it on DVD and everything. I
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watched it so many times when I was, after it
came out, so. So I. I think that
that is a requirement, so I just wanted to make sure.
>> Will (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely there. Yeah, I got to check now.
You know, we have to see if it's, like, in the film registry, because, I mean,
if it's even eligible. But it might be at this point because it's just,
you know, been around for several years. But,
yeah.
>> Sarah (04:08):
was it, I think, early 2000s? I
want to say like 2001? Yeah, because
because when. When their. Their high school days,
it was the, like, early 90s
to mid-90s. So. Yeah. Yeah, that.
That sounds about right. All right,
well, to jump onto another one of
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Will's favorite topic that he was gonna ask me
about during the pre show, but decided not to,
figured what he would get with my answer.
And, So the Andor trailer
dropped earlier this week, and I watched a good
75% of it. Not because it was
bad. Not because it was bad.
Yeah, I just. I
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don't want to know anything.
>> Will (04:54):
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.
>> Sarah (04:56):
I saw. I saw stuff, and I
was like, that's cool. It looks great. It looks.
It looks good. Moving on.
>> Will (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I
mean, it was a definite, definite vibe with the. With
the, Steve Earl song, you know, the Revolution Starts
Now. and, I thought it was. I know I
saw. It's, like, mixed reactions to folks about the,
you know, the, the
score that they used in the trailer. Some people really liked it.
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I really liked it. I thought it was a perfect capture. Yeah,
I thought it was perfectly captured and really, you know, captures. I
mean that song really is captures.
the whole thing about the Rebellion,
which, you know, started out as a local thing and then became
a. A big. In Star wars
universe, galactic movement.
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and so, And also
I thought the visuals, I think it. For folks who've
watched Andor, you know, that yes
there was action, but it was really a lot more drama,
a lot more intense.
The politics and stuff and the growth,
obviously the growth of the Empire was really more. You
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know what that first season was. Was all about and
Andor's, you know, journey as far as
his coming into getting
recruited, you know, falling into the Rebellion
and and all. But, So I thought the trailer was
just like a lot more like geared to people.
Geared towards people who, who. Who
think the traditionally of
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Star wars, like the, you know, laser battles and
start starships and stuff flying around, that kind of stuff.
But I, you know, I'm looking forward to it. And, and also just to
remind folks too that when the episode it
is, going to be dropped over four weeks. and
each week it dropped the three
episodes, you know, for, for
the Chronicle, I guess a year in Cassian's,
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journey as. As we. As the, you know,
final, you know, final episode, Rogue
One. So.
>> Sarah (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, like that. That's.
That's also kind of why I stopped watching because it was a reminder
that Krennic's in this. And I'm like, okay, so they're
gonna end it very similarly to how Rogue One
ends.
>> Will (07:12):
Yeah, yeah. It'll get us right to that moment
where we see. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (07:16):
When we first meet Cassian.
>> Will (07:18):
Yep.
>> Sarah (07:20):
so. But what is. What is
your take on this three episode a week
rollout? So it's a. What is it, a five
week stretch? Four week stretch?
>> Will (07:30):
Four week stretch? 12.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (07:34):
And also, can I. Can I just also throw out another
thing because it's Disney plus they're doing
this and they're also dropping them all on a Tuesday.
>> Will (07:43):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
I believe it is still Tuesday. Yeah.
So, yeah. As far as the dropping it, you
know, so when you think about the first season, I mean, they're,
they're, they're. We're in three episode
arcs.
>> Sarah (07:59):
Oh, yeah. So attracts with that like
one at a time and it worked out fine.
>> Will (08:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I thought so. Too. So yeah,
I, I, I don't know. I'm, I'm mixed, I have mixed
feelings about it, to be honest. On the one hand, it's just
like great because basically I'm like, okay, I just
need to know that I just need to block out like, you know, basically
a feature film length block of time to like watch these
three episodes because if I don't, I'm gonna get
spoiled. but on the other hand, to your point. Yeah. I
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mean the one episode a week rollout
was great. So I don't, you know, so
maybe it's something in the, in their data or metrics
they were, that is driving them to do it
because it's clearly a choice.
>> Sarah (08:40):
Oh, absolutely. I mean we,
we just got adjusted to this whole
let's drop between one to three
episodes premiere. I mean
dropped three episodes
and, and the shorter seasons and you're dropping a
hunk and it's just that, ah, I just
(09:01):
wonder where that stems
from, you know, who thought. And then you
have Netflix within the last year and a half
have been doing the whole Part one,
Part two, Cobra Kai. You get
three parts. Yeah.
>> Will (09:19):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (09:20):
Well, it just, it's it's very,
I don't know if it has something to do with streaming
services trying to.
Because streaming services first found success
with the binge and, but also
are not finding sustainability with the
binge because once you binge it, you
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turn off your subscription and move on. So
then you're trying to entice with these properties
that, you know, viewers are going to
come on board like they, they've already
started the journey, they might as well finish it, so to
speak. So it's kind of like this little trail.
But I'm sure that the, and,
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or especially because what you were saying too about
how each chunk is one year and
this is like going into this, we know
that there's going to be a lot of, it's going to be very fast
paced in terms of time. So
I can understand that from a
story perspective, it's good.
(10:24):
but it'll, it'll just be interesting to
cover. yeah.
>> Will (10:29):
It definitely will. It definitely will because I know it'll. Oh
yeah, we'll, we'll have to do figure out our
scheduling matrices as far as
with the overlap of and, or
Last of Us and a little bit of Daredevil
as well.
>> Sarah (10:45):
So I don't think there should be that much
overlap with Daredevil I was looking at.
>> Will (10:50):
Yeah, I think this is, I think it's just one week If I recall.
Maybe.
>> Sarah (10:54):
Well, yeah, but I think there's a way where
there wouldn't be any. but we can talk about that
later.
>> Will (11:00):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (11:02):
so. All right, well that leads us
into the last chunk of news, which leads us into
our main topic of conversation tonight.
Paradise Season 2. So
it's been renewed and as mentioned
when we first started covering the show by Will,
the showrunner has already noted that
season two is in the bag.
>> Will (11:24):
Yep.
>> Sarah (11:26):
So written. It's just written. It's not been
filmed.
>> Will (11:29):
Right. Yeah, I wish it were, I wish it were film. Cause.
Yes, but hopefully we'll get, I think I
recall Fogelberg said that they were planning on trying to get
it out, in 2026. So if, if they
were, if they were renewed and thankfully they,
they did get the renewal. And I love the, I know you shared
with me, Sterling K. Brown's, little
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real.
The hand. Yeah, that was, that was, that was like Chef's kiss. As far as
just like why this, not only
why he's just so awesome, but why the show is so awesome.
>> Sarah (11:59):
But yeah, yeah, I, I,
I thought it was good too. And then
the whole, all of the videos
yesterday that came out was
Supernatural and the boys being
reunited on the Boys for the final
season. I was just like, oh, they one up,
Sterling.
(12:22):
Because I mean I've said like I
watched a fair amount of Supernatural,
I've watched a lot more of
their whole like Jared,
Jensen and Misha just on the road going
to all of the Supernatural cons and talking about the
behind the scenes hijinks, like the stories
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they tell and how they were still
able to make a show like a
23 episode a season show
for 15 years
is, it's just, it's, it's beyond
anyone's like.
>> Will (12:58):
And still talking and still talking to each other
especially. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's great.
>> Sarah (13:04):
yeah. And their families are so tied. It's
just, it's so funny. I mean it was with Crypti
behind the scene, it was only a matter of time. I mean once,
once Jeffrey Dean Morgan, you got the father
involved, you're just like, yeah, yeah,
all of the kids have to come and play. so
very excited for both season two of ah, paradise
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and the final season of the
Boys.
and that just brings us to the penultimate
episode of Paradise Season 1. The
Day Sinatra and Xavier confront
the past and return to the harrowing day that brought
them to Paradise. but before we
get there, it starts off on
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October 28th, 1962 with the
Cuban Missile crisis.
So here's my thing,
here's my question. And the little
thing that just kind of bothered me
and kind of makes me want to,
just scan because I swear
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this sound motif
of the light flickering we've
heard like since the first episode.
>> Will (14:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:17):
Yes. Okay. Okay. I
always thought it was a ticking clock.
>> Will (14:24):
I did too. You know, I didn't know, it was a sort of
background atmospherics for me. I did not know if it
was a ticking clock or what. But you're right. I mean, it's been
there. It's been there. Yeah. There's like several things
this episode that as I was, as I
was watched it twice, but
several things that just came back into
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focus throughout this episode. and you know,
we talked about before how there's
no wasted piece of dialogue or scenery or
anything in this show. And to your point, that sound
was definitely not one.
>> Sarah (14:57):
Yeah, I just, I really like
that. And it also took me a while and it
also. Even at the end of
the cold open in the past with this
general who's nameless for us,
and he just starts turning on and off the switch.
I was just like, okay, you're going a bit crazy.
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I was like, I don't know. But then the beauty
is so much happens between
then and the payoff.
>> Will (15:28):
Yes.
>> Sarah (15:29):
Completely have. Like you. You don't.
It's just the seed has been
planted. The dialogue
that Cal's the wrong person and he makes the
wrong choice,
which. Which is what Xavier believes.
>> Will (15:45):
Right.
>> Sarah (15:46):
As the story unfolds, we find out
that no, there was a different switch. And that
all goes back to the beginning. It is, it is a
great episode and a great,
It felt like a mini disaster
movie.
>> Will (16:01):
It did, it did.
>> Sarah (16:02):
And down to the horrible,
like kind of insane
newscast.
>> Will (16:09):
Yeah, it's funny about those newscasts. So I
was reading the writer of the show of this
episode mentioned, that they
actually pre recorded all those newscasts.
And so when the cast was watching it while
they were filming, that was their like genuine
reactions whenever,
whenever they were watching the. The broadcast,
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on. During. In the. In the. Outside the Oval.
So you know, they're really trying to get that, you know, that 9,
11, you know, whatever, you know, whatever disaster feeling that
people, you know, that really gut react. Action. So yeah, I mean,
just the level of detail that they went. They put into this,
into this episode and you know, just, you know, and
you know, just given the nature of what my m. What I, you know, what
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I. It was really Intense. I watched this episode twice
and it hits, it just hit. Even though when you know what's coming,
it still hits just as hard, probably even more so the second go
around when, when I, whenever I
was watching it because I mean you should really
the get into it and just having, not
only, not obviously not to this global scale of what we
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saw in this episode, but just, just in my own personal
experience and having, and the type of work
that I do professionally, being in
that room with people who are having to
make decisions like what the president was,
what Cal and everyone and his advisors,
you know, it definitely, you know this, this
episode just resonated with me on just so many
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levels. because, because of the stat intensity and
just the decisions that were having to be made and,
and, and the, the dialogue and
everything about it. So yeah, I mean this was just,
was, you know, I, I, this one was one.
After I watched it the first night, I was just, I just sat there
for just a moment because to your point, it was just the
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disasters and the cascading impacts from the
disasters, which I thought was really captured pretty. You know
they, they did a good job of just sort of fleshing
all that out. And I will get into it more but as a sort of
opening thoughts of the episode as well.
>> Sarah (18:11):
Right. Right. And the,
I mean it, it comes to light
fairly quickly that the, it's a
combination of things because at the beginning of the season
there was speculation like okay, was it
missiles or that
like was it a natural
disaster? So they, and
(18:35):
I like how both are true
because what we learn is that a super
volcano erupts in the Antarctic and
that causes a massive tsunami to occur,
which leads to horrible
stuff. Simultaneously you
got a bunch of leaders who are
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looking at land that is off the board
and then also an opening to
get their own land and leads
to a missile crisis again.
so you have, you have, you have. Though
I just, I can appreciate that
it wasn't one or the other, it was
both. Which makes a lot of sense
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for the very
complicated
dynamic that we were
presented with in the present day between Cal
and Xavier on Cal's final
night of life.
>> Will (19:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:34):
There has to be a better way to say that.
>> Will (19:36):
Oh no, no. Yeah. No, I mean it just,
it painted. You know, we've always wondered, I mean
we've gotten bits and pieces of
what, you know, we knew
that because of that fateful day something
happened, but then seeing it
all play out and, and, and you
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know, we get the, we get the Flashback, you know, in prior
episode of Cal trying to tell
Xavier it's, you know, not good
for, you know, tell your wife maybe it's not a good time to go to
Atlanta. And, and then of course in
this episode when they're you know,
when Xavier has the realization that, you
know, that Cal knew that there was no way that
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she was going to make it.
and, and just, and just every, you know, and
in that moment over there on the tarmac where, you know,
it was no, it was no longer a president, Secret Service
agent, it was man, father to father, husband
to husband. And that, and I think that was the other element of that
was so strong about this episode in
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that, you know, it was the human element of it.
Yeah, you had all this, all these catastrophes going
on around the world, but
it was just, you know, so, but it took the
big. And then it really brought it,
beautifully acted and
executed back
to this grounded level of like in this
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crazy thing where Kyle is trying to make decisions about
what's going on, Xavier's trying to get the President
out. They're still having those human, very human
moment of us like trying to, you know,
Xavier, you know, frantically trying to get to Terry,
the directions as far as how to get out there
and try to get her to the airport, the Air Force base so she
can step with them and everything
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and, and, and, and then they're on that
tarmac and, and Cal's like, look,
get your head out of your, you know, get your head. You got two kids
on this plane. You know, there's 8 billion people out here, who would love to
have your seat. Are you coming with me or not? And just like really
help trying to pull Xavier back into focus.
And also just seeing Xavier, who's always
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like, whenever they've had their previous interactions, it's always so,
you know, so level headed and cool.
But seeing that passion and pulling that, you know,
and, and Cal pulling that.
>> Sarah (21:58):
Well, it was a different, it was a different,
to your point, it's, it's not what
we saw in the previous episode where
somebody has done him wrong and he wants
vengeance and so he's going to go a bit
crazy and put on a show.
No, it was the other where it was
hopelessness and I think it was more, that conversation
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is more about Cal also
self, self servingly trying to say,
focus on your wins, on those you're able to save.
Don't focus on the one you were, you had to let
go and couldn't, and
we can't hold this up. And I
think why it worked, is
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because
you are able to connect the
microscopic to the
larger picture so well,
because you have the speech. Like how throughout this
entire episode, it's unsettling. It's
rattling him. The secret
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of the bunker,
and also this impending
disaster that has been weighing
on him. And now that it's finally coming to
fruition, he's just like.
And I'm still lying, and I'm
still telling everyone it's going to be okay.
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My janitor is still cleaning this
house and
acting like everything's gonna be fine.
And I, What surprised
me more, not maybe not surprised, but I think what
stuck out to me also was more about
how Xavier, you're having
to balance the whole. And both of
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them are having to balance
that. Yeah. Yeah. You're worried
about your wife, you're worried about your children. The world
is going to shit right now. You still have a job to
do.
>> Will (23:59):
Yep.
>> Sarah (24:00):
Still have a job to do. And it. And
I think it was a very. It was a
tight tightrope because
his job is the only reason
why he's able to get him
and his kids, potentially his wife, on
that plane.
>> Will (24:19):
Yep.
>> Sarah (24:20):
You know, that's the only reason.
So, to. For. He can't.
He can't abandon ship.
He has to stay the ground. Because he's just
like, I can't lose them all.
This is my. It. I just. I
thought that was very well done. And,
(24:40):
And I just also. I mean,
to your point about the human element,
it's also the, the
turning of the people.
that. That escalation when
suddenly the staff turn
on them. Them. Because they're like,
(25:01):
oh, they can. They're getting out and leaving us
behind. so.
So, yeah, which. Which,
A whole nother thing. I mean, I mean,
selfishly. Selfishly, I
really. I really like this episode because, again, I'm
right.
>> Will (25:23):
there's a monster. She's a. She's a straight up monster video.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:27):
She's not. Have you watched any movie? Like,
she's not.
>> Will (25:32):
I was messing with bad things.
>> Sarah (25:34):
It's just so funny to me.
>> Will (25:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:38):
But. But, yeah. So. So they end up
getting on the plane.
And, right after
Robinson shoots,
Ryan in the head. Yeah.
>> Will (25:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:51):
Because he was about to turn his gun on Xavier. Because he
was not getting on that helicopter.
>> Will (25:56):
Nope. He was not clear for Versailles. And
actually, you know, one of the things I thought, you know,
ever since they. They reveal this
whole protocol, the Versailles protocol, and it
gets to the larger philosophical Things that was also, you know, at
display with this episode with. To your point, about
people realizing that some are. Some are going to be
(26:16):
going out, like Xavier and President, and
some are going to be stuck behind, like Marcia. You know,
I was like, why? You know,
I guess the term Versailles, you know, it
was basically, you know, as we all know, you know, the, the
pilots in France where the, you know, kings and.
And, four former French kings
(26:38):
will, you know, go, ah, and everything.
And. And, you know, I thought about. It was just like, you know, that's a
good, I guess, analogy or, you know, or whatever
for. For, for this bunker for paradise.
I, was interested. I was like, that's interesting. They called it that, but it's actually
really is like the haves and have nots, because.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (26:57):
I was just like, they didn't build an ark.
They didn't. An arc. They built a bunker that
they knew could only hold a certain amount of people.
And that's also why they
couldn't tell everyone, right, Is because
the more people. So you.
Again, you understand
(27:18):
the, The. The logic in
it, Even though it's,
it's. It is a bit of a moral
dilemma at the end of the day, especially
when things start to go wrong
and suddenly you're looking face to
face with. With a staff member
who, has a sick son, and you're
(27:41):
like, I. I sure I will
do what I can.
What are you supposed to say? Yeah,
yes, yes, my theory. I. I do have a theory
that she's the one who killed Cal. but.
Yeah, yeah, I think. I think that's an. That's an
obvious one. Yeah. Which makes me think
it's probably not gonna happen.
(28:03):
but. Because I also just
wonder, like, they're in Colorado and distance and
all of that. I have. I have a lot of. Of
questions about the people who survived.
Yeah.
>> Will (28:18):
Yeah. Because they had. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, obviously, you
know, as far as the president, his staff, I
mean, I noticed, you know, the one plane that went down was like, Congress
and the judiciary. So, you know, it was
clearly. It was a lot of these people
who were the 25, 000 that were going to go to this
bunker. We're going to be, you know, it's really like continuity of
(28:38):
government at this point.
>> Sarah (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (28:41):
especially as you see the other geopolitical
things going on around, you know, and it does. You know,
and also I think, you know, we. We talked about
whenever we were theorizing early on, like, are there other
bunkers? And paradises around the US
or around the world. And I think, you know, clearly, I think
this episode establishes that. Yeah, there's,
(29:03):
you know, people knew this was coming, didn't know, like,
when it was coming. especially. I thought it was pretty interesting whenever
the president's like, you know, bring the nerds in
and so.
>> Sarah (29:15):
So you still stand by the theory that there are
multiple blunkers in the.
>> Will (29:19):
U.S. i don't know about in the U.S.
but I, do think that there are maybe
some in other parts of the world.
>> Sarah (29:27):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That I can buy in. I
don't think that. I've never thought that there was more than one
bunker in the US that's not.
>> Will (29:35):
Or if they're. Yeah. Or if there may be some safe. It might be. I
don't know if it's like the level of paradise. There might be some safe houses. Because the
generals did say they were going to. Fought, you know, they were going to, like, land in St.
Louis. So.
>> Sarah (29:45):
Yeah, but I, I. I don't. I
don't. That was number
two. And, and they don't know how well the safe
house would hold up. But this is
speculation for another time before, because we kind
of jumped ahead inadvertently, and failed
to talk about the nuclear football of it all and the red
codes versus blue codes, which is
(30:07):
payoff to the,
The open. The cold open, because
as. While they're on Air Force One,
Cal, Cal has a.
Not a meltdown, but he.
He, His
frustration escalates and it's
getting. He's getting the word that
(30:30):
there is pretty much about to be a
nuclear attack. And so he has to make a
decision whether or not to launch the nukes.
And, And, with the nuclear football.
And that leads to Samantha trying
to tell him what to do.
And this again, like
California, from what we've seen of
(30:52):
him, I can
appreciate. And this is across the board for all the characters. All the
characters here are consistent.
And yes,
this is one of the few times when we've
seen him really be a
leader and be authoritative
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and, clearly know it's always
been in him. Like, you don't. You don't have a father
like he did and not have that in
you. It's just that the father has always
kind of,
smothered, that out of him. Because
like my father says, go,
yeah, but he's. He's the one. And he's
(31:35):
just tired of everyone else making
decisions and.
And he. He decides.
And what I can also appreciate is is because
it's Cal. It's like not everyone even
realizes this. Right. like
what he actually did, which we learned
that that general who we
(31:57):
saw at the beginning of the episode,
built or had built a fail fail
safe. And they said blue code
codes. And now, now correct me if I'm
wrong, Will.
>> Will (32:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:09):
So essentially what we're told is the blue
codes will turn off
everything in the world.
>> Will (32:17):
Yeah. It's electromagnetic pulse. Yeah. So it's.
Okay, so it's emp and.
Yeah. So. Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:25):
How, how was the plane still flying
after.
>> Will (32:30):
So that was the tracking. So that's when, you know,
as Cal, two things. One, just wanted to
get to what you were saying with Cal. And then I'll answer a
question about why the plane was up
really to your point about characters being
consistent. And, and this
was very much the case. And I could
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not help but think about the first episode,
when Cal and Xavier when had the, had the,
the initial interview because again they, again they referenced that in this
episode too. but the thing that he
talked about was this, you know, he want, you know, how he wanted to be a school
teacher and we, you know, all, all his background, but he,
the thing that he said was he just, you
know, you know, he knows that at the end of the day he's
(33:13):
hoping he's a decent enough person to base. I'm paraphrasing,
but decent enough person to be able to
be behind this desk and make the hard decisions.
And, and, and to that point when we saw,
you know, all the build up with him, look, like you said, seeing the
janitor, talking to him and just say, look, you know, it's going to be bad,
you should leave. And, and, and
(33:33):
basically telling American people the truth.
you know, when the chips were down, Cal did
and you know, did the right thing. And like you
said, it was to give everyone a choice.
And again it was that moral dilemma that
we saw between him and
Sinatra where
Sinatra was like, no, don't, you know.
(33:55):
Yeah, don't, you know, just set off the attack.
So you know, because you know, she
was really wanting to like make sure that
this bun, you know, the paradise was. Would
give the, the 25 000, you know, a real chance to
restart the human race. And, and of course to get
to your second point. Yeah, with the pulse
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that, you know, when you, I think, you know, he said whenever
he activated it was like about 20 minutes to
landing. So you, you, you know, when you
saw on the screen, you could see like the The, The.
The The. The pulse,
like track, you know, growing across
the globe. So I guess, you
know, so he calculated, you know, again with all the training
(34:38):
and protocols and stuff, he calculated like, he
knew that if they were about 20 minutes out from.
From the bunker that, you know, as far as
the impact of the emp, they would be
able to land. And again, clearly, And clearly when they
designed, you know, the facility, you know,
they made it, you know, they had definitely some
(34:59):
countermeasures to the emp, so that's why all the computers and stuff are
still working there.
>> Sarah (35:03):
Right, Got it, Got it. Okay. Just
wanted to make sure I understood about why.
Why the plane was still in the air after. After
he did what he did. but
I thought that the
conversation between Samantha and,
Cal was interesting just
because the previous episode, the
(35:25):
parallel with the conversation to shut down
paradise when.
When that's like you put. You
shut it down and we go back
into like that first day and.
And everyone realizes they're in a, In
a cave and it's just as.
(35:45):
So, so similar. And to see the
choice that she made, like technically both
of them made the same choice. They
both shut. Shut it down.
even though the. The alternative for
Samantha was. Was not as
high, high stakes as it was for Cal.
But But yeah, I
(36:07):
appreciated that parallel between.
>> Will (36:09):
The previous episode and also
the episode prior to that when we see their. Their final
conversation, their con, their conversation,
the day of his death, as far as who's
in charge, of the
Of Paradise. Yeah, you know,
I just think, you know, it just. Again, this. This.
(36:29):
I'm so glad that they, they held the
actual day of events to this, to the
penultimate because it just. It just
pays off all the things that we've seen
in these. In the prior six episodes.
you know, really resolves a lot of questions. But, you know, there's still.
There's still some, you know, many that are still still out
(36:50):
there. namely, who. Who is the real killer.
Because we do learn that as. As you noted,
the DNA didn't match anyone in the. In the system. In the
Yep.
>> Sarah (37:02):
In the bunker. It did not match anyone in the bunker.
So it. It came from.
Supposedly it came from someone
outside. Yeah, I say that just
because I wouldn't put it past a writer to
come up with some way where like
they. There was a switch and.
Yeah. Anyway, but
(37:24):
I, What?
>> Will (37:26):
No. No. Good.
>> Sarah (37:27):
Oh, Yeah. Yeah, I,
I still like all. All.
>> Will (37:32):
Ah.
>> Sarah (37:33):
At this rate, guys, you should have jumped on
the moment I said it. And during, when we were talking the pilot,
Terry killed Cal. Okay. Come on.
So obvious.
>> Will (37:43):
I don't think it's Terry though. I don't think she has time.
>> Sarah (37:46):
I. She had three years.
>> Will (37:49):
Yeah, true, but. Yeah, but you know,
I don't know. I think that.
>> Sarah (37:55):
I don't know. But I would also like to point
out second episode I said at that
point, I was like, we have not
met the killer.
>> Will (38:04):
You did say that. You did say that.
>> Sarah (38:06):
Say that verbatim. And Will shot me down
hard. He was like, hell no. It's totally. Some of blah,
blah, blah. No. Okay,
now that's. That's what I'm going with.
We don't know and it's a theory. So.
So, my odds are in my favor that we. I am
correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(38:27):
yeah, yeah. I still stick your hands.
>> Will (38:32):
Yeah, but we have met Terry though, so it can't be her
now.
>> Sarah (38:35):
Oh, well, yeah, we have met her now, but not when
I said it.
>> Will (38:39):
Oh, you said it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (38:41):
like we're still led to believe that she died, which
is total spell not a mile away. We knew she was
alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Which, which she's alive, but so are
a bunch of other people. Yeah,
those were a lot of calls. A lot of
stuff. The whole rebuilding.
(39:01):
And. And yeah, I just. I don't
know how next week is gonna go with the
finale or anything.
But what I will say
is that, all
this episode did for me, besides the things
that I've previously mentioned is really make me
want season two to just be like,
(39:22):
okay, show us Terry's
journey. Yeah, because.
Because we've been stuck in paradise
for parade episodes. Okay.
I would like to, Now that we've seen the
day, the events of the day.
I would like to like, like
(39:43):
watch a show that's just about those people. Because
that seems very interesting.
>> Will (39:48):
Oh yes, basically.
It totally does. I mean basically the rest of the world is back in the
dark ages.
>> Sarah (39:54):
Roughly to be
a have not. And. And also
someone. Why I think Terry's perspective would be
interesting is because she was on the list.
And you could bring in some other people who we've seen in
this episode too. But if they ever want to make a spin
off. I'm. I'm probably, I'm thinking they probably
(40:15):
won't knowing the showrunner, but who
knows? you could, you could totally
do one from, from the
survivors.
>> Will (40:24):
yeah, I think that's. Yeah, I think, I think
you're Actually. Right. I think they'll probably. What they'll do is
they will have present
day, in
paradise, you know, as far as like, you know,
you know, the fallout from the events of season one.
But.
Also I think, I think the flashbacks will be a
(40:45):
mix of like, as you said, the
journey for all the people who did
make it, on.
>> Sarah (40:52):
That day and who did crash the
bunker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then that whole, that
whole whole Thing.
>> Will (41:03):
Yeah, because. Yeah, they did. Yeah. Because you
know, they sent the expos exposition out there and
you know, they, you know, we, as we do. As we know,
Billy, you know, they
did note that they found someone, when we were listening to
the recordings on the tablet. So.
>> Sarah (41:19):
Yeah. And then they killed him. Yeah, well, they killed
all of them.
>> Will (41:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because.
>> Sarah (41:25):
Because which, which I like, like
she made it very clear I
didn't. I wasn't going to kill them. They wanted to bring
someone back and so they could. They couldn't
just kill that one person. They had to kill, them all
because then word would have gotten out
and all of that stuff. And like,
I,
(41:48):
I find that interesting. And then she says,
Samantha says, to Xavier at the end of
the episode. Do you know where your daughter is? We already
knew that this whole hostage thing was going to happen.
I found it. I found it odd though, if
she's such a villain, maybe this is just a
villainary misstep. You
(42:08):
basically give him what he wants,
only. Only then for you to pull out the
leverage. Like, he didn't have to do that.
You didn't have to promise to get his wife back. He
could have just used the daughter the whole time, but
whatever. so,
so, so she uses the daughter
(42:28):
to Because now he.
She needs him to actually find the
killer of Cow. Because
now I could be wrong,
but to me,
apparently Samantha ain't
ain't on the DL that. That the
tablet has been found. And Jeremy,
(42:51):
last episode was holding a whole court
of people explaining the tablet.
So. So I don't. I don't know.
I. It's still a mystery to me about
Samantha's motive on finding the killer
because before it was just about the tablet, but the
tablet's free and out and.
(43:12):
And that secret's
gonna like. So. But she still wants to
find the killer. So.
>> Will (43:19):
Yeah. Yeah. So the tablet's still it out. The tablet's out
in the open now. Jeremy, you know, we said if you watched
the preview, you know, we saw the night of
when Xavier, Shut
that.
>> Sarah (43:32):
Did not watch the preview. I did not watch the preview.
>> Will (43:34):
Okay. Okay, I won't say anything then. yeah, if, but
folks, if you have watched it, if, you know, you know, but
the, night of the
incident, though, when Xavier did take things over, I mean, Jeremy was
already, like I said, he was already out there talking and, and
the, the, the, you know, the things have been
set back and you know, the other person that we didn't see in this
(43:54):
episode was Gabby Durabi.
>> Sarah (43:57):
Yeah. So that's why I like this episode.
>> Will (44:00):
Yeah. But,
but you know what, her role
in all of this also,
as we, as we move forward now, given that, you know,
things have been reset within,
within paradise. how,
you know, what, you know, what's our role
in all this? And, and, and
(44:23):
what, you know, is, you know, Kyle was clearly going to
her to, you know, get therapy as far as just
dealing with the consequences of his decision. And,
and, and, and, and all,
and all. And, and also just to
show, you know, and also just. And again, getting back to
their motivations. I know we got wrapped around in semantics last
(44:44):
week about, why
Sinatra and, you know,
his motivations for, for keeping the, keeping the experiment
going. Ah, keeping the, keeping. Well, almost. Well, I guess,
Well, I guess it's somewhat of a social, social engineering
experiment for, for the Robbie and
Samantha. I guess it's just her, I guess her private
little therapy,
(45:06):
thing as far as the memorial to her son.
but, yeah, so, you know, that's the sort of one
of those wild cards. And I think it'll maybe have, you
know, something. I don't know if it'll
play into the larger discovery
of someone, you know, of
people being outside of the, outside of the bunker if
(45:26):
the Robbie knows that or not.
>> Sarah (45:28):
okay, okay, so you're confusing me. So you're
speculating right now on the next
week's episode.
>> Will (45:35):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:35):
Okay. Based off of the preview. And you think
that so, not the preview.
>> Will (45:40):
Just, just off of like, just off of like what, what happened
in episode six as far as, like, the
knowing that Jeremy has the tablet out there in the open, knowing
now that people in the bunker have been reset.
>> Sarah (45:51):
Right.
>> Will (45:54):
and, and what
role the Robbie is going to have
in helping out, you know, helping
either Sinatra or helping Xavier, you know,
with getting his, daughter back
from the. Okay, yeah,
yeah, because I still think she's the wild
card here.
>> Sarah (46:14):
that's, that's fine. That's fine.
>> Will (46:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (46:17):
I, I, I have, I, I don't care about her
at all.
Do not care. She's a pick me girl.
She him on the second episode.
Good riddance. Don't care.
She's the most inconsistent out of all of them.
>> Will (46:37):
I think she's a wild card. I mean that's, that's, that's been
her consistency. She's unpredictable.
>> Sarah (46:42):
Sure, sure, sure. But I also feel
like you give her way too much credit. But.
Yeah, yeah. Like, I
don't know, like out of. The
only thing I can really say
is the way what they
showed us about her in her history with
especially Samantha is that
(47:05):
her whole prior to actually
being in there, like she's the architect,
the social. She picked the people.
>> Will (47:14):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (47:15):
Okay. And she also
specifically. And I don't know how much Samantha
was involved in it, but I know Samantha was
not very much involved in the picking of Xavier. I
was all the
Robbie. And that right now there
is why I call her a pick bean girl. But
(47:36):
so, so she, so
I. So that parallel with.
With Cal in this episode, having to face
people, knowing
he hasn't been truthful
about the ex.
The what the toll
(47:57):
that this is going to occur or what is coming.
So people could be in the right place and
be with the people. There was no
preparation like that held a
weight. And from what we saw in that
second episode with Thurabi, she was also
dealing with that weight as well. Knowing that she had
picked people but also being haunted by the
(48:19):
faces of those. She had to say no.
So that's the only thing I can really delve
into her character. I don't think beyond
that she really knows.
I feel like it was clear. I feel like
she knew. I forget how and
when, but it did come to light.
(48:42):
Like she's aware that there were people.
And because she kept hounding Samantha about
like, what are you hiding? And she, she couldn't
believe, like, oh, we. We could
be up there.
>> Will (48:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:55):
Yeah. What. So,
yeah. But any,
Any who. I think,
I think we covered it all.
>> Will (49:05):
Yeah, yeah. I think we hit all the major, major
points. for sure. Okay.
Yeah. Well.
>> Sarah (49:11):
And then now we have to,
summarize the most recent two
episodes of Invincible that we both were
talking before the show and kind of have the
same opinion about where. It's just
the. Okay, we. These two
episodes are filler and
(49:32):
they, they just. I could
see the, the points
that they were trying to, ah, move things
along. I mean, the first episode, you were
my hero,
has. Has this like, very
odd setup
where we, where, where Mark is on a
(49:55):
date and the next thing we know, these people show up,
fight master and drop kick. And he's suddenly
taken to the future where there's a
villain, conqueror or leader there
who they, they need Mark to
defeat on their behalf. and
because we're dealing with time travel, there is
(50:15):
a cool passing of
the marks where you kind
of realize, or are tipped off at the beginning
that, yeah, he makes it out alive, but
he ain't too happy about it. and that's
because when you deal with Invincible and
you deal with time travel, Mark inevitably
(50:36):
kills someone.
>> Will (50:37):
Yep.
>> Sarah (50:37):
Okay. Whether it's, whether it's
time travel or dimension, if you go through a circle
spinning thing, he ends up
killing someone. And
I just, I like that line where
after he does it, they, they come back
and it's like, thank you. And he's like, don't thank
me for that.
>> Will (51:02):
That's not a reason to kill someone. Yeah. And someone we're talking about
here. Clearly you've watched, if you're listening to us, you've watched
episode. And Mark, in episode
four comes, with Immortal.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (51:13):
So, I, I,
I would have loved this
if it was just more entertaining.
There's something about the
setup, the, the, the
drop kick fight.
Master of it all. Which one of them is voiced
(51:35):
by the same actor who plays, in
Cobra Kai?
It's the same actor and blanking on,
on his name. But, but, but I did
see it on IMDb that he was voiced by
him. and,
but there was just something about
whether it be the pacing
(51:58):
or the, the two on the nose
writing of it all, that it just didn't
work to me. I just felt bored
and I just felt, felt not
engaged and, or entertained at all
about it. I just was, it was
just like. Okay, I get where this,
(52:18):
yeah, get it. I understand. He killed
again. Which kind of
jumps off of the beats we were talking about last week
with the first three episodes about
how he's
like, Mark is putting on a face.
>> Will (52:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:35):
Where, but he hasn't really dealt with the fact that
he killed Armstrong. And
and and now he has Oliver who has
also now killed. And it's like the
whole, I don't want to be like, my father is
a murderer.
>> Will (52:54):
Yeah, Yeah. I, I, Yeah, I thought this, it
was fine. I mean, as we were talking beforehand and
share with our listeners now, I felt like,
you know, this is like
the trouble with Invincible
where it sometimes has
difficulty merging to.
(53:15):
And it happens about this. It really does happen at 4. Fifth
episode where this the series just sort
of muddles along
and has difficulty. I mean, you're right,
it did carry some of the things. The second half of the episode
definitely carried things forward as far as the narrative with Alan
and, and Omni Man.
>> Sarah (53:34):
Oh, can I say, can I say, are you talking
about Alan the alien
locked down but not locked out.
>> Will (53:42):
Yep.
>> Sarah (53:43):
Or no, I'm sorry, but not out. That's the
full title. I, I do love how they always
managed to do that with Alan.
>> Will (53:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:52):
The first time we were introduced for them, it was
like.
>> Will (53:56):
Yeah. Because, I will say I, when the
episode transitioned to that storyline, then I was
like, okay, I meant. And I think it's just, I just really enjoyed
this. Alan and Seth Rogen and and just
Omni man in general. I mean those are just two very
interesting characters. Whereas Mark.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
>> Sarah (54:16):
See, I, I'm, I'm not
on the same page about that. I thought the whole
episode and it's just because it was all
fighting. Like I normally really
like Alan and all of the, like this
few moments we got of him and Nolan talking
or him and battle beast talking
were funny. But I was
(54:38):
disengaged for probably 90
of like this whole episode because it was all
fun.
>> Will (54:44):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, I, that I was too.
I mean, to be honest, I mean, even though I got, I was more engaged
than I was with the first part because
I, I don't know, I just the, the,
the whole time travel stuff. I don't know,
maybe, maybe I'm just overtime travel and
stories and stuff at this point.
>> Sarah (55:05):
Flash ptsd.
>> Will (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, totally,
totally. but, yeah, but I think it was
this, I think the parts that you just said
were engaging. Yeah. I mean, after a while, the fight stuff, I did
sort of like. Okay, I get it. Yeah.
But,
>> Sarah (55:21):
Yeah, it's not, I mean,
it's, it depends on the stakes
of it all. And, and at this point we're
fighting nameless vulture
mites and we know, we
know he's gonna kill them mortal and they stretch it out
five minutes too long.
>> Will (55:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (55:40):
And it's just, it's just, it's just when
the, when you know the outcome and there's no stakes,
it's kind of like, okay, let's just get through this.
but we do find out at the end of the episode
that Nolan reveals that there are only 50 pure
blooded vulture mites in the galaxy.
And that's the key to their defeat.
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So they, they do come out with
that little beast piece of Knowledge. Which leads
us into the fifth episode. This was supposed to be
easy. And I think the problem with this
episode is again, a lot of
fighting, a lot of action, and also
a lot of time spent with
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storylines and people I could care less
about.
>> Will (56:26):
Yeah, I, Yeah, I mean the whole Martin,
multi, Paul and duplicate.
yeah, I just. Yeah,
yeah. It. Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:38):
and you. And in the background you just have
Eve and Mark who I can
appreciate the self acknowledging now. These two
characters are moving way too fast, but
whatever. Remember,
when he was with Amber five minutes ago? Yeah,
yeah. And she is confronted and it's like,
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why is everybody being way so cool about this whole
thing? but between
that and Titan and, and
trying to understand the order, I'm just like, I don't
care. I have no. I,
I don't know why we're here.
but. And I have a lot less
about like nuggets to.
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To. There
was a moment with Oliver and bullies.
>> Will (57:27):
I did like that part. I did like. Yeah, yeah.
That was probably the most engaged I was with, with the episode was
because I was especially given,
you know, Mark keeping an eye on him and,
and, and worried that he
was gonna, you know, just pummel these guys.
But I was like, you know. You know, sometimes you just
don't need to like have, you know, just gratuitous
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violence. You can just like embarrass these guys and they.
It worked perfectly.
>> Sarah (57:54):
Yeah. He's. He's still a kid.
>> Will (57:56):
He's still a kid. Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:58):
So. And he, he is learning
lessons. It's just. I mean,
he. Yeah. So
we have that moment. But that, that, that's about
it. I mean I, I
just. I think with
the Invincible story,
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it's, it's very interesting
how now we're,
we're like episode five of season
three in. And we've watched everything before
this that I, I feel
like there are aspects of this show that
really work. I'm fully engaged and fully
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all in. and then there are
aspects that. Because I've never been on
board with. Yeah, yeah. I
just always check out
like, like you can expect a season of Invincible
is gonna have a, A Guardian episode. And I'm
like, that's not an episode I'm gonna enjoy.
>> Will (59:00):
Yeah, I will, yeah, I will
say I did enjoy the When,
yeah, Rex and What's. Okay, I can't. I keep
forgetting her name that they were, you know, they
were making. They were grocery shopping and
>> Sarah (59:16):
Race.
>> Will (59:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (59:18):
Rex and Ray.
>> Will (59:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I did like. Yeah, so
that was Actually, parts of the things that
did stand out for me because it was just like, you know,
they're adjusting to life away from Cecil
and. And but also Rex, you know,
showing some real character growth here. And
And so those moments I thought were very, very sweet
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actually. you know, less grading than Mark and
Eve at this point as far as relationships.
>> Sarah (59:46):
And Yeah, I
just. They
screwed. I'm sorry. They dropped the ball with the whole
even markup at all. It should have been a will they
won't they this season. And
I thought we were gonna get that. And we got immediately, yes, we
will. And I'm like, oh, I don't
want that. I want the. I want the will they
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won't they of it all. I need to be rooting. I
can't like, I need to understand. Understand.
>> Will (01:00:14):
Yeah. And. And maybe it's true to the source material. I don't
know. I haven't. I have not read the Invincible comic, so I don't
know. we'll freely admit that. So. But yeah, but
you're right. I mean, it. Would it have that will they want
they. To your. To your point earlier, it just seems
like, you know, just a minute ago he was with Amber and now all of a
sudden he's like head over he. And he and
Eve are like head over hills. And I mean they've always. It's
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always that. That tension's always been there.
>> Sarah (01:00:41):
But you gotta give respect to your previous
relationship.
>> Will (01:00:46):
Yeah. And I do try to address it, I guess in I
guess episode two or three. But,
you know, with Amber moving on and. And all that.
But still.
>> Sarah (01:00:56):
Yeah, it's. It's so weird. It's. It's still weird
for. For a viewer. It's. It's a bit of a mind.
>> Will (01:01:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
Yeah. But, you know, overall, like I said before, you know,
there's. I. To your
point, there's things about. I like about this series.
There's things that, that, When I was
watching these two episodes, I was like, oh, yeah. I remember why we
like sort of put the. Put the show on the shelf
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for a while last
year. Yeah. And this was two episodes that
really captured it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:01:29):
Only to return and really
enjoy like the next few episodes.
>> Will (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (01:01:38):
So it's just. It's just par for the course. It's.
It's not a perfect season of television.
but, I. Hopefully it'll come return to
form next week. We'll only be covering one episode
because we're only one episode Behind,
Right.
>> Will (01:01:53):
Or are we still behind
tonight's episode? And then. Yeah, I think, yeah,
so we'll be just one week behind because, yeah, last week we,
we had the, Captain and Captain America.
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, actually. Well, next
week we'll have Daredevil and.
>> Sarah (01:02:10):
Ah, next week we'll have Daredevil. My God,
we're here. The nurse. Ari, did you hear
that? So, so maybe we will, maybe
we will skip Invincible next week to set up
a 2,
2 episode review because that seems to
be working for us with Invincible,
and focus on finishing paradise and
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starting Daredevil. I don't
know what I'm more excited for,
to watch Daredevil or to listen
to Will's thoughts about Daredevil because he
never watched the first.
>> Will (01:02:46):
Yes, yes. This is new for me.
This is, this, this will be like, I mean I, I watched a
hand, like maybe a handful, maybe one or two episodes of the first
season of Daredevil on Netflix and that's it. So
it's so basically,
you know, so basically I'm going into this as a Daredevil
version as far as TV show.
>> Sarah (01:03:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just, let's keep those, those
episodes you did see on the DL. Okay. Let's keep it
like Virgin. Yeah, yeah. We haven't had,
we haven't had Will be a Virgin in a while. Ever since the
last of us.
>> Will (01:03:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
And House of the Dragon.
>> Sarah (01:03:24):
Yeah, House of the Dragon too,
man. Those
man, Daredevil better deliver because
those are some hard acts to follow to get you
invested in those.
>> Will (01:03:37):
Well, I, I, yeah. Yeah. So I
am going to see what this is all about, so.
Yep.
>> Sarah (01:03:45):
Well, season two has already been greenlit, right. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's absolutely.
>> Will (01:03:50):
Yeah. I think, I think I was seeing where, Marvel was
really. I think they were trying to. And it's been green lit. And
I think there's no like big, big delay
either. I mean they're gonna, and they just. Next
year. Yeah, I think they're trying to drop it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:04:04):
And they, they announced something I
saw something about, Punisher is going to make
a special, like an appearance between
the two seasons and a special,
event later this year. So.
Yeah, John Barnsthal, you got
to, he got, you got him on the roster. You better
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best be using him. and on that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:04:30):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at
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Good night. Geek out. You're welcome.
Greetings nerds. This is Scene a Nerd I'm your host Sarah Belmont and
with me as always is our Mr. Producer Will Polk How are you doing
tonight Will?
>> Will (00:07):
Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this Thursday evening?
>> Sarah (00:10):
I'm doing good. It's the end of February.
>> Will (00:13):
It is. This month is like zip by.
>> Sarah (00:15):
All right, do you want to start with the Black History
Month entertainment moment? Last one?
>> Will (00:21):
Yeah, yeah, last one for this month.
Hope everyone's been enjoying these features and like I said I try to dig
a little deeper and just like actors and that kind of
stuff. So today I have
a pioneering filmmaker and television
producer. Her name is Madeline Anderson
and she is often credited as the first
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black woman to produce and direct a documentary
film. she was also the first black woman to
produce and direct the syndicated TV series
and also the first
black employee at a New York based public TV station. And
she was also first the first black woman to join a film
editors union. And so some of the things that
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folks probably are very familiar with that she had
a role in was Sesame Street. She was an in
house producer for ah, Sesame street and the Electric Company on
the children's show Builder Workshop. And
the syndicated TV series that she did was was
a program in the in the 70s called
the the Infinity Factor and it was
basically teaching math and science
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to themes show that
was targeted towards inner city youth.
And so that was the syndicated
show that she did. And as far as the documentary,
the documentary was called Integration Report
one which she was the producer behind
that and it was a documentary
about the planning for the first march on
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Washington in the 1960s. So that was
the film that she was credited as a director for. And she also
did another one called I Am Somebody and did some shorts
tribute to Malcolm X. So drop a link to
the Smithsonian where you can like read all
about her. There's a great video about her experiences and stuff
in their ah cinema, their Cinema plus Conversation
series as part of the oral history projects at the
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Smithsonian. And I'll drop that in the show notes where folks can
learn more about her and her work.
>> Sarah (02:15):
That's cool. That's very cool.
Yeah and I, I think it's been, I think it's been
good with all the spotlights and yeah
expand like dropping little pizz pieces
of entertainment history and
knowledge. I think that's always good.
>> Will (02:32):
Yeah for sure. I mean I know, I know in, in doing
this Weekly, on our. For our show,
I really did, like I said, try to go little bit
deeper than, you know, what are the top 10 black films or
that kind of stuff. You know, I was really trying to, like, learn.
Learn some new things for myself because I did not know about Madeline
Anderson prior to doing, our, prep for this week.
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And then also, Yeah. So, you know, so hopefully,
educate our listeners as well.
>> Sarah (02:58):
Can I. Okay. I just have a question about the top 10
black films.
>> Will (03:02):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:03):
Is, Love and Basketball anywhere on that
list?
>> Will (03:07):
yeah, it is. Well, I guess it depends if you go by
genre. so. Yeah,
so, yeah, well, I tried to make sure it was, like, things
sort of in our. In our space if.
But, But, yeah, Love Basketball is one of them, as far as,
like, I think overall.
>> Sarah (03:22):
But I respect that because I adore that
movie.
>> Will (03:26):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (03:26):
Yeah, it's arguably one
of the blackest movies that I'm really
familiar with. I
mean, I just. I just adore that movie so
much. And, Do you want to play
again? I just.
I. I own it on DVD and everything. I
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watched it so many times when I was, after it
came out, so. So I. I think that
that is a requirement, so I just wanted to make sure.
>> Will (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely there. Yeah, I got to check now.
You know, we have to see if it's, like, in the film registry, because, I mean,
if it's even eligible. But it might be at this point because it's just,
you know, been around for several years. But,
yeah.
>> Sarah (04:08):
was it, I think, early 2000s? I
want to say like 2001? Yeah, because
because when. When their. Their high school days,
it was the, like, early 90s
to mid-90s. So. Yeah. Yeah, that.
That sounds about right. All right,
well, to jump onto another one of
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Will's favorite topic that he was gonna ask me
about during the pre show, but decided not to,
figured what he would get with my answer.
And, So the Andor trailer
dropped earlier this week, and I watched a good
75% of it. Not because it was
bad. Not because it was bad.
Yeah, I just. I
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don't want to know anything.
>> Will (04:54):
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.
>> Sarah (04:56):
I saw. I saw stuff, and I
was like, that's cool. It looks great. It looks.
It looks good. Moving on.
>> Will (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I
mean, it was a definite, definite vibe with the. With
the, Steve Earl song, you know, the Revolution Starts
Now. and, I thought it was. I know I
saw. It's, like, mixed reactions to folks about the,
you know, the, the
score that they used in the trailer. Some people really liked it.
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I really liked it. I thought it was a perfect capture. Yeah,
I thought it was perfectly captured and really, you know, captures. I
mean that song really is captures.
the whole thing about the Rebellion,
which, you know, started out as a local thing and then became
a. A big. In Star wars
universe, galactic movement.
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and so, And also
I thought the visuals, I think it. For folks who've
watched Andor, you know, that yes
there was action, but it was really a lot more drama,
a lot more intense.
The politics and stuff and the growth,
obviously the growth of the Empire was really more. You
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know what that first season was. Was all about and
Andor's, you know, journey as far as
his coming into getting
recruited, you know, falling into the Rebellion
and and all. But, So I thought the trailer was
just like a lot more like geared to people.
Geared towards people who, who. Who
think the traditionally of
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Star wars, like the, you know, laser battles and
start starships and stuff flying around, that kind of stuff.
But I, you know, I'm looking forward to it. And, and also just to
remind folks too that when the episode it
is, going to be dropped over four weeks. and
each week it dropped the three
episodes, you know, for, for
the Chronicle, I guess a year in Cassian's,
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journey as. As we. As the, you know,
final, you know, final episode, Rogue
One. So.
>> Sarah (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, like that. That's.
That's also kind of why I stopped watching because it was a reminder
that Krennic's in this. And I'm like, okay, so they're
gonna end it very similarly to how Rogue One
ends.
>> Will (07:12):
Yeah, yeah. It'll get us right to that moment
where we see. Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (07:16):
When we first meet Cassian.
>> Will (07:18):
Yep.
>> Sarah (07:20):
so. But what is. What is
your take on this three episode a week
rollout? So it's a. What is it, a five
week stretch? Four week stretch?
>> Will (07:30):
Four week stretch? 12.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (07:34):
And also, can I. Can I just also throw out another
thing because it's Disney plus they're doing
this and they're also dropping them all on a Tuesday.
>> Will (07:43):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
I believe it is still Tuesday. Yeah.
So, yeah. As far as the dropping it, you
know, so when you think about the first season, I mean, they're,
they're, they're. We're in three episode
arcs.
>> Sarah (07:59):
Oh, yeah. So attracts with that like
one at a time and it worked out fine.
>> Will (08:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I thought so. Too. So yeah,
I, I, I don't know. I'm, I'm mixed, I have mixed
feelings about it, to be honest. On the one hand, it's just
like great because basically I'm like, okay, I just
need to know that I just need to block out like, you know, basically
a feature film length block of time to like watch these
three episodes because if I don't, I'm gonna get
spoiled. but on the other hand, to your point. Yeah. I
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mean the one episode a week rollout
was great. So I don't, you know, so
maybe it's something in the, in their data or metrics
they were, that is driving them to do it
because it's clearly a choice.
>> Sarah (08:40):
Oh, absolutely. I mean we,
we just got adjusted to this whole
let's drop between one to three
episodes premiere. I mean
dropped three episodes
and, and the shorter seasons and you're dropping a
hunk and it's just that, ah, I just
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wonder where that stems
from, you know, who thought. And then you
have Netflix within the last year and a half
have been doing the whole Part one,
Part two, Cobra Kai. You get
three parts. Yeah.
>> Will (09:19):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (09:20):
Well, it just, it's it's very,
I don't know if it has something to do with streaming
services trying to.
Because streaming services first found success
with the binge and, but also
are not finding sustainability with the
binge because once you binge it, you
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turn off your subscription and move on. So
then you're trying to entice with these properties
that, you know, viewers are going to
come on board like they, they've already
started the journey, they might as well finish it, so to
speak. So it's kind of like this little trail.
But I'm sure that the, and,
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or especially because what you were saying too about
how each chunk is one year and
this is like going into this, we know
that there's going to be a lot of, it's going to be very fast
paced in terms of time. So
I can understand that from a
story perspective, it's good.
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but it'll, it'll just be interesting to
cover. yeah.
>> Will (10:29):
It definitely will. It definitely will because I know it'll. Oh
yeah, we'll, we'll have to do figure out our
scheduling matrices as far as
with the overlap of and, or
Last of Us and a little bit of Daredevil
as well.
>> Sarah (10:45):
So I don't think there should be that much
overlap with Daredevil I was looking at.
>> Will (10:50):
Yeah, I think this is, I think it's just one week If I recall.
Maybe.
>> Sarah (10:54):
Well, yeah, but I think there's a way where
there wouldn't be any. but we can talk about that
later.
>> Will (11:00):
Yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (11:02):
so. All right, well that leads us
into the last chunk of news, which leads us into
our main topic of conversation tonight.
Paradise Season 2. So
it's been renewed and as mentioned
when we first started covering the show by Will,
the showrunner has already noted that
season two is in the bag.
>> Will (11:24):
Yep.
>> Sarah (11:26):
So written. It's just written. It's not been
filmed.
>> Will (11:29):
Right. Yeah, I wish it were, I wish it were film. Cause.
Yes, but hopefully we'll get, I think I
recall Fogelberg said that they were planning on trying to get
it out, in 2026. So if, if they
were, if they were renewed and thankfully they,
they did get the renewal. And I love the, I know you shared
with me, Sterling K. Brown's, little
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real.
The hand. Yeah, that was, that was, that was like Chef's kiss. As far as
just like why this, not only
why he's just so awesome, but why the show is so awesome.
>> Sarah (11:59):
But yeah, yeah, I, I,
I thought it was good too. And then
the whole, all of the videos
yesterday that came out was
Supernatural and the boys being
reunited on the Boys for the final
season. I was just like, oh, they one up,
Sterling.
(12:22):
Because I mean I've said like I
watched a fair amount of Supernatural,
I've watched a lot more of
their whole like Jared,
Jensen and Misha just on the road going
to all of the Supernatural cons and talking about the
behind the scenes hijinks, like the stories
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they tell and how they were still
able to make a show like a
23 episode a season show
for 15 years
is, it's just, it's, it's beyond
anyone's like.
>> Will (12:58):
And still talking and still talking to each other
especially. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's great.
>> Sarah (13:04):
yeah. And their families are so tied. It's
just, it's so funny. I mean it was with Crypti
behind the scene, it was only a matter of time. I mean once,
once Jeffrey Dean Morgan, you got the father
involved, you're just like, yeah, yeah,
all of the kids have to come and play. so
very excited for both season two of ah, paradise
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and the final season of the
Boys.
and that just brings us to the penultimate
episode of Paradise Season 1. The
Day Sinatra and Xavier confront
the past and return to the harrowing day that brought
them to Paradise. but before we
get there, it starts off on
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October 28th, 1962 with the
Cuban Missile crisis.
So here's my thing,
here's my question. And the little
thing that just kind of bothered me
and kind of makes me want to,
just scan because I swear
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this sound motif
of the light flickering we've
heard like since the first episode.
>> Will (14:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (14:17):
Yes. Okay. Okay. I
always thought it was a ticking clock.
>> Will (14:24):
I did too. You know, I didn't know, it was a sort of
background atmospherics for me. I did not know if it
was a ticking clock or what. But you're right. I mean, it's been
there. It's been there. Yeah. There's like several things
this episode that as I was, as I
was watched it twice, but
several things that just came back into
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focus throughout this episode. and you know,
we talked about before how there's
no wasted piece of dialogue or scenery or
anything in this show. And to your point, that sound
was definitely not one.
>> Sarah (14:57):
Yeah, I just, I really like
that. And it also took me a while and it
also. Even at the end of
the cold open in the past with this
general who's nameless for us,
and he just starts turning on and off the switch.
I was just like, okay, you're going a bit crazy.
(15:20):
I was like, I don't know. But then the beauty
is so much happens between
then and the payoff.
>> Will (15:28):
Yes.
>> Sarah (15:29):
Completely have. Like you. You don't.
It's just the seed has been
planted. The dialogue
that Cal's the wrong person and he makes the
wrong choice,
which. Which is what Xavier believes.
>> Will (15:45):
Right.
>> Sarah (15:46):
As the story unfolds, we find out
that no, there was a different switch. And that
all goes back to the beginning. It is, it is a
great episode and a great,
It felt like a mini disaster
movie.
>> Will (16:01):
It did, it did.
>> Sarah (16:02):
And down to the horrible,
like kind of insane
newscast.
>> Will (16:09):
Yeah, it's funny about those newscasts. So I
was reading the writer of the show of this
episode mentioned, that they
actually pre recorded all those newscasts.
And so when the cast was watching it while
they were filming, that was their like genuine
reactions whenever,
whenever they were watching the. The broadcast,
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on. During. In the. In the. Outside the Oval.
So you know, they're really trying to get that, you know, that 9,
11, you know, whatever, you know, whatever disaster feeling that
people, you know, that really gut react. Action. So yeah, I mean,
just the level of detail that they went. They put into this,
into this episode and you know, just, you know, and
you know, just given the nature of what my m. What I, you know, what
(16:52):
I. It was really Intense. I watched this episode twice
and it hits, it just hit. Even though when you know what's coming,
it still hits just as hard, probably even more so the second go
around when, when I, whenever I
was watching it because I mean you should really
the get into it and just having, not
only, not obviously not to this global scale of what we
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saw in this episode, but just, just in my own personal
experience and having, and the type of work
that I do professionally, being in
that room with people who are having to
make decisions like what the president was,
what Cal and everyone and his advisors,
you know, it definitely, you know this, this
episode just resonated with me on just so many
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levels. because, because of the stat intensity and
just the decisions that were having to be made and,
and, and the, the dialogue and
everything about it. So yeah, I mean this was just,
was, you know, I, I, this one was one.
After I watched it the first night, I was just, I just sat there
for just a moment because to your point, it was just the
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disasters and the cascading impacts from the
disasters, which I thought was really captured pretty. You know
they, they did a good job of just sort of fleshing
all that out. And I will get into it more but as a sort of
opening thoughts of the episode as well.
>> Sarah (18:11):
Right. Right. And the,
I mean it, it comes to light
fairly quickly that the, it's a
combination of things because at the beginning of the season
there was speculation like okay, was it
missiles or that
like was it a natural
disaster? So they, and
(18:35):
I like how both are true
because what we learn is that a super
volcano erupts in the Antarctic and
that causes a massive tsunami to occur,
which leads to horrible
stuff. Simultaneously you
got a bunch of leaders who are
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looking at land that is off the board
and then also an opening to
get their own land and leads
to a missile crisis again.
so you have, you have, you have. Though
I just, I can appreciate that
it wasn't one or the other, it was
both. Which makes a lot of sense
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for the very
complicated
dynamic that we were
presented with in the present day between Cal
and Xavier on Cal's final
night of life.
>> Will (19:33):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:34):
There has to be a better way to say that.
>> Will (19:36):
Oh no, no. Yeah. No, I mean it just,
it painted. You know, we've always wondered, I mean
we've gotten bits and pieces of
what, you know, we knew
that because of that fateful day something
happened, but then seeing it
all play out and, and, and you
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know, we get the, we get the Flashback, you know, in prior
episode of Cal trying to tell
Xavier it's, you know, not good
for, you know, tell your wife maybe it's not a good time to go to
Atlanta. And, and then of course in
this episode when they're you know,
when Xavier has the realization that, you
know, that Cal knew that there was no way that
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she was going to make it.
and, and just, and just every, you know, and
in that moment over there on the tarmac where, you know,
it was no, it was no longer a president, Secret Service
agent, it was man, father to father, husband
to husband. And that, and I think that was the other element of that
was so strong about this episode in
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that, you know, it was the human element of it.
Yeah, you had all this, all these catastrophes going
on around the world, but
it was just, you know, so, but it took the
big. And then it really brought it,
beautifully acted and
executed back
to this grounded level of like in this
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crazy thing where Kyle is trying to make decisions about
what's going on, Xavier's trying to get the President
out. They're still having those human, very human
moment of us like trying to, you know,
Xavier, you know, frantically trying to get to Terry,
the directions as far as how to get out there
and try to get her to the airport, the Air Force base so she
can step with them and everything
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and, and, and, and then they're on that
tarmac and, and Cal's like, look,
get your head out of your, you know, get your head. You got two kids
on this plane. You know, there's 8 billion people out here, who would love to
have your seat. Are you coming with me or not? And just like really
help trying to pull Xavier back into focus.
And also just seeing Xavier, who's always
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like, whenever they've had their previous interactions, it's always so,
you know, so level headed and cool.
But seeing that passion and pulling that, you know,
and, and Cal pulling that.
>> Sarah (21:58):
Well, it was a different, it was a different,
to your point, it's, it's not what
we saw in the previous episode where
somebody has done him wrong and he wants
vengeance and so he's going to go a bit
crazy and put on a show.
No, it was the other where it was
hopelessness and I think it was more, that conversation
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is more about Cal also
self, self servingly trying to say,
focus on your wins, on those you're able to save.
Don't focus on the one you were, you had to let
go and couldn't, and
we can't hold this up. And I
think why it worked, is
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because
you are able to connect the
microscopic to the
larger picture so well,
because you have the speech. Like how throughout this
entire episode, it's unsettling. It's
rattling him. The secret
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of the bunker,
and also this impending
disaster that has been weighing
on him. And now that it's finally coming to
fruition, he's just like.
And I'm still lying, and I'm
still telling everyone it's going to be okay.
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My janitor is still cleaning this
house and
acting like everything's gonna be fine.
And I, What surprised
me more, not maybe not surprised, but I think what
stuck out to me also was more about
how Xavier, you're having
to balance the whole. And both of
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them are having to balance
that. Yeah. Yeah. You're worried
about your wife, you're worried about your children. The world
is going to shit right now. You still have a job to
do.
>> Will (23:59):
Yep.
>> Sarah (24:00):
Still have a job to do. And it. And
I think it was a very. It was a
tight tightrope because
his job is the only reason
why he's able to get him
and his kids, potentially his wife, on
that plane.
>> Will (24:19):
Yep.
>> Sarah (24:20):
You know, that's the only reason.
So, to. For. He can't.
He can't abandon ship.
He has to stay the ground. Because he's just
like, I can't lose them all.
This is my. It. I just. I
thought that was very well done. And,
(24:40):
And I just also. I mean,
to your point about the human element,
it's also the, the
turning of the people.
that. That escalation when
suddenly the staff turn
on them. Them. Because they're like,
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oh, they can. They're getting out and leaving us
behind. so.
So, yeah, which. Which,
A whole nother thing. I mean, I mean,
selfishly. Selfishly, I
really. I really like this episode because, again, I'm
right.
>> Will (25:23):
there's a monster. She's a. She's a straight up monster video.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:27):
She's not. Have you watched any movie? Like,
she's not.
>> Will (25:32):
I was messing with bad things.
>> Sarah (25:34):
It's just so funny to me.
>> Will (25:36):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:38):
But. But, yeah. So. So they end up
getting on the plane.
And, right after
Robinson shoots,
Ryan in the head. Yeah.
>> Will (25:51):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (25:51):
Because he was about to turn his gun on Xavier. Because he
was not getting on that helicopter.
>> Will (25:56):
Nope. He was not clear for Versailles. And
actually, you know, one of the things I thought, you know,
ever since they. They reveal this
whole protocol, the Versailles protocol, and it
gets to the larger philosophical Things that was also, you know, at
display with this episode with. To your point, about
people realizing that some are. Some are going to be
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going out, like Xavier and President, and
some are going to be stuck behind, like Marcia. You know,
I was like, why? You know,
I guess the term Versailles, you know, it
was basically, you know, as we all know, you know, the, the
pilots in France where the, you know, kings and.
And, four former French kings
(26:38):
will, you know, go, ah, and everything.
And. And, you know, I thought about. It was just like, you know, that's a
good, I guess, analogy or, you know, or whatever
for. For, for this bunker for paradise.
I, was interested. I was like, that's interesting. They called it that, but it's actually
really is like the haves and have nots, because.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (26:57):
I was just like, they didn't build an ark.
They didn't. An arc. They built a bunker that
they knew could only hold a certain amount of people.
And that's also why they
couldn't tell everyone, right, Is because
the more people. So you.
Again, you understand
(27:18):
the, The. The logic in
it, Even though it's,
it's. It is a bit of a moral
dilemma at the end of the day, especially
when things start to go wrong
and suddenly you're looking face to
face with. With a staff member
who, has a sick son, and you're
(27:41):
like, I. I sure I will
do what I can.
What are you supposed to say? Yeah,
yes, yes, my theory. I. I do have a theory
that she's the one who killed Cal. but.
Yeah, yeah, I think. I think that's an. That's an
obvious one. Yeah. Which makes me think
it's probably not gonna happen.
(28:03):
but. Because I also just
wonder, like, they're in Colorado and distance and
all of that. I have. I have a lot of. Of
questions about the people who survived.
Yeah.
>> Will (28:18):
Yeah. Because they had. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, obviously, you
know, as far as the president, his staff, I
mean, I noticed, you know, the one plane that went down was like, Congress
and the judiciary. So, you know, it was
clearly. It was a lot of these people
who were the 25, 000 that were going to go to this
bunker. We're going to be, you know, it's really like continuity of
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government at this point.
>> Sarah (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Will (28:41):
especially as you see the other geopolitical
things going on around, you know, and it does. You know,
and also I think, you know, we. We talked about
whenever we were theorizing early on, like, are there other
bunkers? And paradises around the US
or around the world. And I think, you know, clearly, I think
this episode establishes that. Yeah, there's,
(29:03):
you know, people knew this was coming, didn't know, like,
when it was coming. especially. I thought it was pretty interesting whenever
the president's like, you know, bring the nerds in
and so.
>> Sarah (29:15):
So you still stand by the theory that there are
multiple blunkers in the.
>> Will (29:19):
U.S. i don't know about in the U.S.
but I, do think that there are maybe
some in other parts of the world.
>> Sarah (29:27):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That I can buy in. I
don't think that. I've never thought that there was more than one
bunker in the US that's not.
>> Will (29:35):
Or if they're. Yeah. Or if there may be some safe. It might be. I
don't know if it's like the level of paradise. There might be some safe houses. Because the
generals did say they were going to. Fought, you know, they were going to, like, land in St.
Louis. So.
>> Sarah (29:45):
Yeah, but I, I. I don't. I
don't. That was number
two. And, and they don't know how well the safe
house would hold up. But this is
speculation for another time before, because we kind
of jumped ahead inadvertently, and failed
to talk about the nuclear football of it all and the red
codes versus blue codes, which is
(30:07):
payoff to the,
The open. The cold open, because
as. While they're on Air Force One,
Cal, Cal has a.
Not a meltdown, but he.
He, His
frustration escalates and it's
getting. He's getting the word that
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there is pretty much about to be a
nuclear attack. And so he has to make a
decision whether or not to launch the nukes.
And, And, with the nuclear football.
And that leads to Samantha trying
to tell him what to do.
And this again, like
California, from what we've seen of
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him, I can
appreciate. And this is across the board for all the characters. All the
characters here are consistent.
And yes,
this is one of the few times when we've
seen him really be a
leader and be authoritative
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and, clearly know it's always
been in him. Like, you don't. You don't have a father
like he did and not have that in
you. It's just that the father has always
kind of,
smothered, that out of him. Because
like my father says, go,
yeah, but he's. He's the one. And he's
(31:35):
just tired of everyone else making
decisions and.
And he. He decides.
And what I can also appreciate is is because
it's Cal. It's like not everyone even
realizes this. Right. like
what he actually did, which we learned
that that general who we
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saw at the beginning of the episode,
built or had built a fail fail
safe. And they said blue code
codes. And now, now correct me if I'm
wrong, Will.
>> Will (32:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:09):
So essentially what we're told is the blue
codes will turn off
everything in the world.
>> Will (32:17):
Yeah. It's electromagnetic pulse. Yeah. So it's.
Okay, so it's emp and.
Yeah. So. Yeah.
>> Sarah (32:25):
How, how was the plane still flying
after.
>> Will (32:30):
So that was the tracking. So that's when, you know,
as Cal, two things. One, just wanted to
get to what you were saying with Cal. And then I'll answer a
question about why the plane was up
really to your point about characters being
consistent. And, and this
was very much the case. And I could
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not help but think about the first episode,
when Cal and Xavier when had the, had the,
the initial interview because again they, again they referenced that in this
episode too. but the thing that he
talked about was this, you know, he want, you know, how he wanted to be a school
teacher and we, you know, all, all his background, but he,
the thing that he said was he just, you
know, you know, he knows that at the end of the day he's
(33:13):
hoping he's a decent enough person to base. I'm paraphrasing,
but decent enough person to be able to
be behind this desk and make the hard decisions.
And, and, and to that point when we saw,
you know, all the build up with him, look, like you said, seeing the
janitor, talking to him and just say, look, you know, it's going to be bad,
you should leave. And, and, and
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basically telling American people the truth.
you know, when the chips were down, Cal did
and you know, did the right thing. And like you
said, it was to give everyone a choice.
And again it was that moral dilemma that
we saw between him and
Sinatra where
Sinatra was like, no, don't, you know.
(33:55):
Yeah, don't, you know, just set off the attack.
So you know, because you know, she
was really wanting to like make sure that
this bun, you know, the paradise was. Would
give the, the 25 000, you know, a real chance to
restart the human race. And, and of course to get
to your second point. Yeah, with the pulse
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that, you know, when you, I think, you know, he said whenever
he activated it was like about 20 minutes to
landing. So you, you, you know, when you
saw on the screen, you could see like the The, The.
The The. The pulse,
like track, you know, growing across
the globe. So I guess, you
know, so he calculated, you know, again with all the training
(34:38):
and protocols and stuff, he calculated like, he
knew that if they were about 20 minutes out from.
From the bunker that, you know, as far as
the impact of the emp, they would be
able to land. And again, clearly, And clearly when they
designed, you know, the facility, you know,
they made it, you know, they had definitely some
(34:59):
countermeasures to the emp, so that's why all the computers and stuff are
still working there.
>> Sarah (35:03):
Right, Got it, Got it. Okay. Just
wanted to make sure I understood about why.
Why the plane was still in the air after. After
he did what he did. but
I thought that the
conversation between Samantha and,
Cal was interesting just
because the previous episode, the
(35:25):
parallel with the conversation to shut down
paradise when.
When that's like you put. You
shut it down and we go back
into like that first day and.
And everyone realizes they're in a, In
a cave and it's just as.
(35:45):
So, so similar. And to see the
choice that she made, like technically both
of them made the same choice. They
both shut. Shut it down.
even though the. The alternative for
Samantha was. Was not as
high, high stakes as it was for Cal.
But But yeah, I
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appreciated that parallel between.
>> Will (36:09):
The previous episode and also
the episode prior to that when we see their. Their final
conversation, their con, their conversation,
the day of his death, as far as who's
in charge, of the
Of Paradise. Yeah, you know,
I just think, you know, it just. Again, this. This.
(36:29):
I'm so glad that they, they held the
actual day of events to this, to the
penultimate because it just. It just
pays off all the things that we've seen
in these. In the prior six episodes.
you know, really resolves a lot of questions. But, you know, there's still.
There's still some, you know, many that are still still out
(36:50):
there. namely, who. Who is the real killer.
Because we do learn that as. As you noted,
the DNA didn't match anyone in the. In the system. In the
Yep.
>> Sarah (37:02):
In the bunker. It did not match anyone in the bunker.
So it. It came from.
Supposedly it came from someone
outside. Yeah, I say that just
because I wouldn't put it past a writer to
come up with some way where like
they. There was a switch and.
Yeah. Anyway, but
(37:24):
I, What?
>> Will (37:26):
No. No. Good.
>> Sarah (37:27):
Oh, Yeah. Yeah, I,
I still like all. All.
>> Will (37:32):
Ah.
>> Sarah (37:33):
At this rate, guys, you should have jumped on
the moment I said it. And during, when we were talking the pilot,
Terry killed Cal. Okay. Come on.
So obvious.
>> Will (37:43):
I don't think it's Terry though. I don't think she has time.
>> Sarah (37:46):
I. She had three years.
>> Will (37:49):
Yeah, true, but. Yeah, but you know,
I don't know. I think that.
>> Sarah (37:55):
I don't know. But I would also like to point
out second episode I said at that
point, I was like, we have not
met the killer.
>> Will (38:04):
You did say that. You did say that.
>> Sarah (38:06):
Say that verbatim. And Will shot me down
hard. He was like, hell no. It's totally. Some of blah,
blah, blah. No. Okay,
now that's. That's what I'm going with.
We don't know and it's a theory. So.
So, my odds are in my favor that we. I am
correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(38:27):
yeah, yeah. I still stick your hands.
>> Will (38:32):
Yeah, but we have met Terry though, so it can't be her
now.
>> Sarah (38:35):
Oh, well, yeah, we have met her now, but not when
I said it.
>> Will (38:39):
Oh, you said it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (38:41):
like we're still led to believe that she died, which
is total spell not a mile away. We knew she was
alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Which, which she's alive, but so are
a bunch of other people. Yeah,
those were a lot of calls. A lot of
stuff. The whole rebuilding.
(39:01):
And. And yeah, I just. I don't
know how next week is gonna go with the
finale or anything.
But what I will say
is that, all
this episode did for me, besides the things
that I've previously mentioned is really make me
want season two to just be like,
(39:22):
okay, show us Terry's
journey. Yeah, because.
Because we've been stuck in paradise
for parade episodes. Okay.
I would like to, Now that we've seen the
day, the events of the day.
I would like to like, like
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watch a show that's just about those people. Because
that seems very interesting.
>> Will (39:48):
Oh yes, basically.
It totally does. I mean basically the rest of the world is back in the
dark ages.
>> Sarah (39:54):
Roughly to be
a have not. And. And also
someone. Why I think Terry's perspective would be
interesting is because she was on the list.
And you could bring in some other people who we've seen in
this episode too. But if they ever want to make a spin
off. I'm. I'm probably, I'm thinking they probably
(40:15):
won't knowing the showrunner, but who
knows? you could, you could totally
do one from, from the
survivors.
>> Will (40:24):
yeah, I think that's. Yeah, I think, I think
you're Actually. Right. I think they'll probably. What they'll do is
they will have present
day, in
paradise, you know, as far as like, you know,
you know, the fallout from the events of season one.
But.
Also I think, I think the flashbacks will be a
(40:45):
mix of like, as you said, the
journey for all the people who did
make it, on.
>> Sarah (40:52):
That day and who did crash the
bunker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then that whole, that
whole whole Thing.
>> Will (41:03):
Yeah, because. Yeah, they did. Yeah. Because you
know, they sent the expos exposition out there and
you know, they, you know, we, as we do. As we know,
Billy, you know, they
did note that they found someone, when we were listening to
the recordings on the tablet. So.
>> Sarah (41:19):
Yeah. And then they killed him. Yeah, well, they killed
all of them.
>> Will (41:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because.
>> Sarah (41:25):
Because which, which I like, like
she made it very clear I
didn't. I wasn't going to kill them. They wanted to bring
someone back and so they could. They couldn't
just kill that one person. They had to kill, them all
because then word would have gotten out
and all of that stuff. And like,
I,
(41:48):
I find that interesting. And then she says,
Samantha says, to Xavier at the end of
the episode. Do you know where your daughter is? We already
knew that this whole hostage thing was going to happen.
I found it. I found it odd though, if
she's such a villain, maybe this is just a
villainary misstep. You
(42:08):
basically give him what he wants,
only. Only then for you to pull out the
leverage. Like, he didn't have to do that.
You didn't have to promise to get his wife back. He
could have just used the daughter the whole time, but
whatever. so,
so, so she uses the daughter
(42:28):
to Because now he.
She needs him to actually find the
killer of Cow. Because
now I could be wrong,
but to me,
apparently Samantha ain't
ain't on the DL that. That the
tablet has been found. And Jeremy,
(42:51):
last episode was holding a whole court
of people explaining the tablet.
So. So I don't. I don't know.
I. It's still a mystery to me about
Samantha's motive on finding the killer
because before it was just about the tablet, but the
tablet's free and out and.
(43:12):
And that secret's
gonna like. So. But she still wants to
find the killer. So.
>> Will (43:19):
Yeah. Yeah. So the tablet's still it out. The tablet's out
in the open now. Jeremy, you know, we said if you watched
the preview, you know, we saw the night of
when Xavier, Shut
that.
>> Sarah (43:32):
Did not watch the preview. I did not watch the preview.
>> Will (43:34):
Okay. Okay, I won't say anything then. yeah, if, but
folks, if you have watched it, if, you know, you know, but
the, night of the
incident, though, when Xavier did take things over, I mean, Jeremy was
already, like I said, he was already out there talking and, and
the, the, the, you know, the things have been
set back and you know, the other person that we didn't see in this
(43:54):
episode was Gabby Durabi.
>> Sarah (43:57):
Yeah. So that's why I like this episode.
>> Will (44:00):
Yeah. But,
but you know what, her role
in all of this also,
as we, as we move forward now, given that, you know,
things have been reset within,
within paradise. how,
you know, what, you know, what's our role
in all this? And, and, and
(44:23):
what, you know, is, you know, Kyle was clearly going to
her to, you know, get therapy as far as just
dealing with the consequences of his decision. And,
and, and, and, and all,
and all. And, and also just to
show, you know, and also just. And again, getting back to
their motivations. I know we got wrapped around in semantics last
(44:44):
week about, why
Sinatra and, you know,
his motivations for, for keeping the, keeping the experiment
going. Ah, keeping the, keeping. Well, almost. Well, I guess,
Well, I guess it's somewhat of a social, social engineering
experiment for, for the Robbie and
Samantha. I guess it's just her, I guess her private
little therapy,
(45:06):
thing as far as the memorial to her son.
but, yeah, so, you know, that's the sort of one
of those wild cards. And I think it'll maybe have, you
know, something. I don't know if it'll
play into the larger discovery
of someone, you know, of
people being outside of the, outside of the bunker if
(45:26):
the Robbie knows that or not.
>> Sarah (45:28):
okay, okay, so you're confusing me. So you're
speculating right now on the next
week's episode.
>> Will (45:35):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:35):
Okay. Based off of the preview. And you think
that so, not the preview.
>> Will (45:40):
Just, just off of like, just off of like what, what happened
in episode six as far as, like, the
knowing that Jeremy has the tablet out there in the open, knowing
now that people in the bunker have been reset.
>> Sarah (45:51):
Right.
>> Will (45:54):
and, and what
role the Robbie is going to have
in helping out, you know, helping
either Sinatra or helping Xavier, you know,
with getting his, daughter back
from the. Okay, yeah,
yeah, because I still think she's the wild
card here.
>> Sarah (46:14):
that's, that's fine. That's fine.
>> Will (46:16):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (46:17):
I, I, I have, I, I don't care about her
at all.
Do not care. She's a pick me girl.
She him on the second episode.
Good riddance. Don't care.
She's the most inconsistent out of all of them.
>> Will (46:37):
I think she's a wild card. I mean that's, that's, that's been
her consistency. She's unpredictable.
>> Sarah (46:42):
Sure, sure, sure. But I also feel
like you give her way too much credit. But.
Yeah, yeah. Like, I
don't know, like out of. The
only thing I can really say
is the way what they
showed us about her in her history with
especially Samantha is that
(47:05):
her whole prior to actually
being in there, like she's the architect,
the social. She picked the people.
>> Will (47:14):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (47:15):
Okay. And she also
specifically. And I don't know how much Samantha
was involved in it, but I know Samantha was
not very much involved in the picking of Xavier. I
was all the
Robbie. And that right now there
is why I call her a pick bean girl. But
(47:36):
so, so she, so
I. So that parallel with.
With Cal in this episode, having to face
people, knowing
he hasn't been truthful
about the ex.
The what the toll
(47:57):
that this is going to occur or what is coming.
So people could be in the right place and
be with the people. There was no
preparation like that held a
weight. And from what we saw in that
second episode with Thurabi, she was also
dealing with that weight as well. Knowing that she had
picked people but also being haunted by the
(48:19):
faces of those. She had to say no.
So that's the only thing I can really delve
into her character. I don't think beyond
that she really knows.
I feel like it was clear. I feel like
she knew. I forget how and
when, but it did come to light.
(48:42):
Like she's aware that there were people.
And because she kept hounding Samantha about
like, what are you hiding? And she, she couldn't
believe, like, oh, we. We could
be up there.
>> Will (48:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (48:55):
Yeah. What. So,
yeah. But any,
Any who. I think,
I think we covered it all.
>> Will (49:05):
Yeah, yeah. I think we hit all the major, major
points. for sure. Okay.
Yeah. Well.
>> Sarah (49:11):
And then now we have to,
summarize the most recent two
episodes of Invincible that we both were
talking before the show and kind of have the
same opinion about where. It's just
the. Okay, we. These two
episodes are filler and
(49:32):
they, they just. I could
see the, the points
that they were trying to, ah, move things
along. I mean, the first episode, you were
my hero,
has. Has this like, very
odd setup
where we, where, where Mark is on a
(49:55):
date and the next thing we know, these people show up,
fight master and drop kick. And he's suddenly
taken to the future where there's a
villain, conqueror or leader there
who they, they need Mark to
defeat on their behalf. and
because we're dealing with time travel, there is
(50:15):
a cool passing of
the marks where you kind
of realize, or are tipped off at the beginning
that, yeah, he makes it out alive, but
he ain't too happy about it. and that's
because when you deal with Invincible and
you deal with time travel, Mark inevitably
(50:36):
kills someone.
>> Will (50:37):
Yep.
>> Sarah (50:37):
Okay. Whether it's, whether it's
time travel or dimension, if you go through a circle
spinning thing, he ends up
killing someone. And
I just, I like that line where
after he does it, they, they come back
and it's like, thank you. And he's like, don't thank
me for that.
>> Will (51:02):
That's not a reason to kill someone. Yeah. And someone we're talking about
here. Clearly you've watched, if you're listening to us, you've watched
episode. And Mark, in episode
four comes, with Immortal.
Yeah.
>> Sarah (51:13):
So, I, I,
I would have loved this
if it was just more entertaining.
There's something about the
setup, the, the, the
drop kick fight.
Master of it all. Which one of them is voiced
(51:35):
by the same actor who plays, in
Cobra Kai?
It's the same actor and blanking on,
on his name. But, but, but I did
see it on IMDb that he was voiced by
him. and,
but there was just something about
whether it be the pacing
(51:58):
or the, the two on the nose
writing of it all, that it just didn't
work to me. I just felt bored
and I just felt, felt not
engaged and, or entertained at all
about it. I just was, it was
just like. Okay, I get where this,
(52:18):
yeah, get it. I understand. He killed
again. Which kind of
jumps off of the beats we were talking about last week
with the first three episodes about
how he's
like, Mark is putting on a face.
>> Will (52:35):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (52:35):
Where, but he hasn't really dealt with the fact that
he killed Armstrong. And
and and now he has Oliver who has
also now killed. And it's like the
whole, I don't want to be like, my father is
a murderer.
>> Will (52:54):
Yeah, Yeah. I, I, Yeah, I thought this, it
was fine. I mean, as we were talking beforehand and
share with our listeners now, I felt like,
you know, this is like
the trouble with Invincible
where it sometimes has
difficulty merging to.
(53:15):
And it happens about this. It really does happen at 4. Fifth
episode where this the series just sort
of muddles along
and has difficulty. I mean, you're right,
it did carry some of the things. The second half of the episode
definitely carried things forward as far as the narrative with Alan
and, and Omni Man.
>> Sarah (53:34):
Oh, can I say, can I say, are you talking
about Alan the alien
locked down but not locked out.
>> Will (53:42):
Yep.
>> Sarah (53:43):
Or no, I'm sorry, but not out. That's the
full title. I, I do love how they always
managed to do that with Alan.
>> Will (53:52):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:52):
The first time we were introduced for them, it was
like.
>> Will (53:56):
Yeah. Because, I will say I, when the
episode transitioned to that storyline, then I was
like, okay, I meant. And I think it's just, I just really enjoyed
this. Alan and Seth Rogen and and just
Omni man in general. I mean those are just two very
interesting characters. Whereas Mark.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
>> Sarah (54:16):
See, I, I'm, I'm not
on the same page about that. I thought the whole
episode and it's just because it was all
fighting. Like I normally really
like Alan and all of the, like this
few moments we got of him and Nolan talking
or him and battle beast talking
were funny. But I was
(54:38):
disengaged for probably 90
of like this whole episode because it was all
fun.
>> Will (54:44):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, I, that I was too.
I mean, to be honest, I mean, even though I got, I was more engaged
than I was with the first part because
I, I don't know, I just the, the,
the whole time travel stuff. I don't know,
maybe, maybe I'm just overtime travel and
stories and stuff at this point.
>> Sarah (55:05):
Flash ptsd.
>> Will (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, totally,
totally. but, yeah, but I think it was
this, I think the parts that you just said
were engaging. Yeah. I mean, after a while, the fight stuff, I did
sort of like. Okay, I get it. Yeah.
But,
>> Sarah (55:21):
Yeah, it's not, I mean,
it's, it depends on the stakes
of it all. And, and at this point we're
fighting nameless vulture
mites and we know, we
know he's gonna kill them mortal and they stretch it out
five minutes too long.
>> Will (55:40):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (55:40):
And it's just, it's just, it's just when
the, when you know the outcome and there's no stakes,
it's kind of like, okay, let's just get through this.
but we do find out at the end of the episode
that Nolan reveals that there are only 50 pure
blooded vulture mites in the galaxy.
And that's the key to their defeat.
(56:02):
So they, they do come out with
that little beast piece of Knowledge. Which leads
us into the fifth episode. This was supposed to be
easy. And I think the problem with this
episode is again, a lot of
fighting, a lot of action, and also
a lot of time spent with
(56:22):
storylines and people I could care less
about.
>> Will (56:26):
Yeah, I, Yeah, I mean the whole Martin,
multi, Paul and duplicate.
yeah, I just. Yeah,
yeah. It. Yeah.
>> Sarah (56:38):
and you. And in the background you just have
Eve and Mark who I can
appreciate the self acknowledging now. These two
characters are moving way too fast, but
whatever. Remember,
when he was with Amber five minutes ago? Yeah,
yeah. And she is confronted and it's like,
(56:58):
why is everybody being way so cool about this whole
thing? but between
that and Titan and, and
trying to understand the order, I'm just like, I don't
care. I have no. I,
I don't know why we're here.
but. And I have a lot less
about like nuggets to.
(57:20):
To. There
was a moment with Oliver and bullies.
>> Will (57:27):
I did like that part. I did like. Yeah, yeah.
That was probably the most engaged I was with, with the episode was
because I was especially given,
you know, Mark keeping an eye on him and,
and, and worried that he
was gonna, you know, just pummel these guys.
But I was like, you know. You know, sometimes you just
don't need to like have, you know, just gratuitous
(57:49):
violence. You can just like embarrass these guys and they.
It worked perfectly.
>> Sarah (57:54):
Yeah. He's. He's still a kid.
>> Will (57:56):
He's still a kid. Yeah.
>> Sarah (57:58):
So. And he, he is learning
lessons. It's just. I mean,
he. Yeah. So
we have that moment. But that, that, that's about
it. I mean I, I
just. I think with
the Invincible story,
(58:18):
it's, it's very interesting
how now we're,
we're like episode five of season
three in. And we've watched everything before
this that I, I feel
like there are aspects of this show that
really work. I'm fully engaged and fully
(58:39):
all in. and then there are
aspects that. Because I've never been on
board with. Yeah, yeah. I
just always check out
like, like you can expect a season of Invincible
is gonna have a, A Guardian episode. And I'm
like, that's not an episode I'm gonna enjoy.
>> Will (59:00):
Yeah, I will, yeah, I will
say I did enjoy the When,
yeah, Rex and What's. Okay, I can't. I keep
forgetting her name that they were, you know, they
were making. They were grocery shopping and
>> Sarah (59:16):
Race.
>> Will (59:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (59:18):
Rex and Ray.
>> Will (59:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I did like. Yeah, so
that was Actually, parts of the things that
did stand out for me because it was just like, you know,
they're adjusting to life away from Cecil
and. And but also Rex, you know,
showing some real character growth here. And
And so those moments I thought were very, very sweet
(59:40):
actually. you know, less grading than Mark and
Eve at this point as far as relationships.
>> Sarah (59:46):
And Yeah, I
just. They
screwed. I'm sorry. They dropped the ball with the whole
even markup at all. It should have been a will they
won't they this season. And
I thought we were gonna get that. And we got immediately, yes, we
will. And I'm like, oh, I don't
want that. I want the. I want the will they
(01:00:08):
won't they of it all. I need to be rooting. I
can't like, I need to understand. Understand.
>> Will (01:00:14):
Yeah. And. And maybe it's true to the source material. I don't
know. I haven't. I have not read the Invincible comic, so I don't
know. we'll freely admit that. So. But yeah, but
you're right. I mean, it. Would it have that will they want
they. To your. To your point earlier, it just seems
like, you know, just a minute ago he was with Amber and now all of a
sudden he's like head over he. And he and
Eve are like head over hills. And I mean they've always. It's
(01:00:36):
always that. That tension's always been there.
>> Sarah (01:00:41):
But you gotta give respect to your previous
relationship.
>> Will (01:00:46):
Yeah. And I do try to address it, I guess in I
guess episode two or three. But,
you know, with Amber moving on and. And all that.
But still.
>> Sarah (01:00:56):
Yeah, it's. It's so weird. It's. It's still weird
for. For a viewer. It's. It's a bit of a mind.
>> Will (01:01:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
Yeah. But, you know, overall, like I said before, you know,
there's. I. To your
point, there's things about. I like about this series.
There's things that, that, When I was
watching these two episodes, I was like, oh, yeah. I remember why we
like sort of put the. Put the show on the shelf
(01:01:22):
for a while last
year. Yeah. And this was two episodes that
really captured it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:01:29):
Only to return and really
enjoy like the next few episodes.
>> Will (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (01:01:38):
So it's just. It's just par for the course. It's.
It's not a perfect season of television.
but, I. Hopefully it'll come return to
form next week. We'll only be covering one episode
because we're only one episode Behind,
Right.
>> Will (01:01:53):
Or are we still behind
tonight's episode? And then. Yeah, I think, yeah,
so we'll be just one week behind because, yeah, last week we,
we had the, Captain and Captain America.
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, actually. Well, next
week we'll have Daredevil and.
>> Sarah (01:02:10):
Ah, next week we'll have Daredevil. My God,
we're here. The nurse. Ari, did you hear
that? So, so maybe we will, maybe
we will skip Invincible next week to set up
a 2,
2 episode review because that seems to
be working for us with Invincible,
and focus on finishing paradise and
(01:02:33):
starting Daredevil. I don't
know what I'm more excited for,
to watch Daredevil or to listen
to Will's thoughts about Daredevil because he
never watched the first.
>> Will (01:02:46):
Yes, yes. This is new for me.
This is, this, this will be like, I mean I, I watched a
hand, like maybe a handful, maybe one or two episodes of the first
season of Daredevil on Netflix and that's it. So
it's so basically,
you know, so basically I'm going into this as a Daredevil
version as far as TV show.
>> Sarah (01:03:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just, let's keep those, those
episodes you did see on the DL. Okay. Let's keep it
like Virgin. Yeah, yeah. We haven't had,
we haven't had Will be a Virgin in a while. Ever since the
last of us.
>> Will (01:03:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
And House of the Dragon.
>> Sarah (01:03:24):
Yeah, House of the Dragon too,
man. Those
man, Daredevil better deliver because
those are some hard acts to follow to get you
invested in those.
>> Will (01:03:37):
Well, I, I, yeah. Yeah. So I
am going to see what this is all about, so.
Yep.
>> Sarah (01:03:45):
Well, season two has already been greenlit, right. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's absolutely.
>> Will (01:03:50):
Yeah. I think, I think I was seeing where, Marvel was
really. I think they were trying to. And it's been green lit. And
I think there's no like big, big delay
either. I mean they're gonna, and they just. Next
year. Yeah, I think they're trying to drop it. Yeah.
>> Sarah (01:04:04):
And they, they announced something I
saw something about, Punisher is going to make
a special, like an appearance between
the two seasons and a special,
event later this year. So.
Yeah, John Barnsthal, you got
to, he got, you got him on the roster. You better
(01:04:25):
best be using him. and on that note, Will, why
don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?
>> Will (01:04:30):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at
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