June 6, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash is joined by Ellis Ward for the latest East Tennessee Fishing Report. Ellis shares his insights on the current fishing conditions, emphasizing the benefits of predictable flows on the Watauga and the exciting opportunities it creates for anglers.
Listeners will learn about the challenges and rewards of streamer fishing, as Ellis discusses the intricacies of catching big brown trout and the techniques that can lead to success. He highlights the importance of adapting your approach based on water conditions and the behavior of the fish.
The conversation also addresses a listener question about what to do when a brown trout follows but doesn't bite, with Ellis offering practical advice on techniques like figure eights and changing retrieves to elicit a predatory strike.
As summer approaches, Ellis encourages anglers to get out on the water and take advantage of the fishing opportunities available in the region, reminding everyone that streamer season is in full swing in East Tennessee.
This episode is filled with valuable tips and engaging stories for anglers looking to enhance their fishing experience in East Tennessee.
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(00:00):
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I am doing well, Marv. How are you?
And as always, I'm just tryingto stay out of trouble. And you know,
I wouldn't quite say we haveEllis weather anymore, but you should
be happy. You've got a fairamount of rain later in the week.
(00:22):
Yeah, yeah, I am happy. Andthat's just because I'm working on
me, Marv. Now the, the normalschedule of, of getting five hours
on the Wataga six days a weekis, it's good for the river. It keeps
things cool. You get high andlow water dry fly activity. Obviously
(00:48):
I, I do like to, to notatethe, the non one trick pony here,
but obviously I'm partial tostreamer fishing. Like it's, it's
just very fun. Fishingstreamers in big water is something
I like to do. And so beingable to do that, man, I was just,
I've been talking with anumber of people about how it was
(01:09):
just, I'm pretty sure I said acouple weeks ago as well. It was
just a long, long winter andearly spring with very irregular
if any releases. And for acouple months there are no releases.
And so it's, it's hard work tocatch a big brown trout, period.
(01:32):
Sometimes that means havingyour, you know, the benefit of going
out with me is dry fly game.Like you have to take the rod and
cast and you know, set thehook and fight the fishing. But,
you know, doing that on yourown, you got to figure out what is
needed and, and that could bethe fly, it could be the. Are you
(01:55):
drifting it from 10ft? Can youget away with 5.5 or 5x? Are we fighting
this thing in on 6? You know,if you're weight fishing, what are
the currents and RuPaulsituation? So there's just, there's
a lot of tough stuff withstreamers. It's mainly, it's the,
it's not lifting your rod atall on the set and then a couple
(02:15):
things after that. But that'sthe biggest one. After you get them
to eat, getting them to eatcan be a really difficult thing to
do. And that, that wassomething that over the course of,
you know, six, eight hours,when we're not seeing the dry flies,
when we're not getting thesehigh low water bug activity, you
(02:39):
know, intermittent, let'spause and, and snap up some fish.
And some of them are big. Soit's, it's not like a waste of time
at all if you're, if you're,you know, hunting big fish. But it,
it is fun. You're sightfishing two risers with the dry flights.
If you don't like that, then,I don't know, fish with someone else.
But like that's, that's just,it's something I love to do and,
(03:01):
and I love teaching castingand, and that dry fly presentation
and all the variables aroundit so that, you know, yesterday was
giant sun. There was a littlebit of haze, but not really. And
my clients looking aroundsaying, I've never seen this many
(03:23):
fish, right? I mean hecouldn't cast a dry fly into the
water without getting eaten.And we're just, we're surrounded
by fish. Not in a slick, notin a seam, not in a ripple. I mean,
bank to bank, the river'sboiling and you know, those things
only last for 15, 20, 30minutes, ish, maybe a little more.
(03:47):
But when that's happening,the, the before and after is also
really good. And you know, foreverything I say about the influence
of the moon and bitiness and,and all that, like it was a bad moon
day, bad Sunday, and it waspretty clear water and it was real
(04:12):
bitey. We went through like athree hour period where it was just
super tough and you know, weonly maybe moved a fish or two and
then it just, that windowcracked open and, and it was on.
So as much as I look forwardto fishing when it's overcast and
(04:33):
I got out on my own last week,I guided myself on a monster day
and it felt very good and itwas raining overcast and just very,
very active all day. I havesome videos that I'll be sharing
on social media. So yeah,always look, look for that. You know,
(05:01):
the, the big clouds coming inand some of these summertime fronts
can be really productive, butit's, it's, it's nice out there right
now and it's in terms of thefishing on, even on the, the bluebird
days. And we really, we havemore than a couple months of that
(05:25):
in front of us. So I'm excitedfor it and I would say get your,
you know, I said, startedsaying this last year, but don't,
don't wait till October if youwant to fish streamers. That's not
streamer season here. It's,it's a different thing. We don't
freeze. It's just, it'sdifferent here. So if you're in the
(05:47):
area and you're, you'rethinking of efficient streamers,
it's, it's May, June, July,sort of August, and you know, we
make it happen in at all timesa year. But you start getting into
September, October, and Istart liking things less and less.
So I'm going to step away fromboth. You barely even asked me a
(06:12):
question. I'm talking for 10minutes and a little bit of a soapbox
there.
Yeah, I've recalled thedrones, so you're good.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
They are going to refuel justin case we run long on the listener
question.
It's never safe.
So James, who's, who's sendingquestions before, had a question
for you, and I think this onewill make your head explode a little
(06:33):
bit. He wanted to know what doyou do when you get a long brown
trout follow, but no eat? Youknow, do you pause? Do you speed
up? Do you figure eight? Youknow, what's the trick?
Yeah, I wish that there werean easy answer to this one. The,
the. The biggest and, andbrightest answer is Figure 8. And
(07:04):
it's, it's a little. I'mgonna, I'm gonna stay away from getting
too spooky with this one here,but, but it's strange that that's
the question tonight becausethat's a, that's a really specific
question. And, and I have avideo like edited and, and ready
(07:28):
on the, the drafts inInstagram right now to post of. Of
me from the other day with atrout. He must have turned around
on the fly three or fourdifferent times coming to the boat,
and then followed it all theway through 18 or it's. It's a circle.
(07:49):
When you, when you're riverfishing and things are kind of tight,
the, the figure O can beeffective. And I mean, you can see
the fish follow the entiretime. And then I ran into a bush
and kind of lost some light,but. So I stopped the video there.
But after running into thebush and just keeping the fly and
(08:12):
kind of blindly moving it, Ilooked up and he was still there.
And I had given it a briefpause. That's normally what my answer
is. If when working it back tothe boat, I was fishing it drunk,
right. So it's not like I'mburning something back. So kind of
rewinding, definitely send thedrones rewinding. If you're working
(08:36):
something back quickly or at aconstant retrieve or you didn't cast
in a tight angle and your lineis getting swept and you're fishing
something with lead eyes or acone head, stop it, lift up and drop.
Do something that willabsolutely Kill the action of that
fly. Because those lead eyesand conehead, one of the most effective
(08:59):
uses of those things is touse. I talk about the strip and the
kill all the time. They have abuilt in kill. It's not necessarily
one that I like or findexciting, but that little drop when
you release tension. Andagain, if your line is getting swept,
if you're wade fishing andyou're not, you know, you're doing
some sort of modified swing,either purposely or on accident,
(09:25):
you are going to have to. Thisis where the, the jerk strip will
come into play. And I dislikethat for a lot of different reasons.
But when you're in thatposition, mostly because it takes
you out of the strip set justby default, but when you are in that
position of your line's kindof getting swept, you have a brown
trout following, it's notcommitting and you're stripping and
(09:47):
you're not able to give it aproper kill because the current's
pushing it. Lift the rod,sweep the rod, do something, and
then immediately go back towhere you were. And that'll just
provide that brief littleacceleration that might do it, Some
sort of change in what you'redoing. I talk about this a lot of,
you know, you're, you'redating and then, or, you know, you're
(10:12):
just friends or whatever andyou gotta close the deal at some
point you gotta make a move,ask them to go out to dinner, do
something that you haven'tbeen doing. And most of the time
it's creating some sort ofabrupt change in pace, which I don't
want to just say stop it,because then, you know, it, it's
(10:34):
just sitting there, it's dead.But doing short, fast, shorter, faster,
shorter, faster, little pop,pop, pop, pop, pop. That can be it.
I used to do that because Iwant to maximize the number of whatever
we want to call it. How do weelicit a predatory strike, those
(10:58):
bite triggers, whatever other$10 words and phrases we want to
use. I want to get as muchstuff jammed in a confined space
because I'm going to end up atthe boat and then, well, we're out
of luck. No, we're not. And sofor the last year or two, definitely
(11:19):
for the last year, I've beenencouraging people to keep their,
you know, jam the tip in, keeptheir fly in the water. Marv, you
got a knee to the boat andthat was, that's just holding your
fly down in the water withsome current moving. So if, if, if
you're getting a trout who'scoming up and Approaching the tip
of your rod and you're notvery far away from that. The blinders
(11:42):
are on. Dip your tip andfigure eight em. And then in that
eight, if they're not. Orfigure out if they're not committing
after a couple eights or acouple O's, start, start doing some
sweeps and kills. So whenyou're moving it through the eight,
(12:02):
stopping it every once in awhile. Yeah. Near and dear to my
heart and very timely. So I'mgonna, I'm going to call that answer
good for right now.
There you go. And you know,folks, we love questions on the articulate
fly. You can email me or DM meon social media, whatever's easiest
for you. And if I use yourquestion, I will send you some articulate
(12:24):
fly swag that will probablyinclude a butcher shop or two sticker
or two. And we'll enter adrawing for some cool stuff from
Ellis and Ellis I saw onsocial media, I think it was last
week. You had a bunch ofbucktails out, right?
Yeah, got a bunch ofbucktails. Really nice chartreuse
color that is. Is just barelytipping towards green, but, but still,
(12:48):
chartreuse is tough. A lot oftimes it ends up being like a hot
lime. So I do take some ofthis, some of the, the coloring things,
the olives, the chartreuses, Itake pretty seriously. Nice orange
and then kind of somethrowback colors of lavender and
mint. And I, I have so manythat I've processed and just kind
(13:12):
of been sitting on. So I'll.I'll be continuing to update colors
there and yeah, that'savailable at Ellis Ward Flies. I
do want to shout out John atTailwaters Flyco locally here. I
was actually just fishing withhim today and good friend of mine
(13:36):
and the way he is running hisshop, it's. We're now nine months
in. I just, I have so muchrespect for him and, and I think
he's doing a fly shop theright way it. And I get that there's
(13:59):
different opinions on whatthat might look like, but his heart's
in it and he's smart and heloves fishing and he' a super fishy
dude. So he is. He's going tohave Blaine here this weekend to
do a tying class and then ameet and greet afterwards. And if
(14:19):
you're in the area, if you'vemet John or, you know, are doing
the tying class with Blaine orwant to meet Blaine, obviously you're
going to be doing it anywaysjust because of who those two people
are. If you haven't I highlyencourage anyone and everyone to
(14:39):
make some time to get thereand meet John and check out the shop.
It's stocked for tying in sucha great way. He has so many products
and such a wide varietyincluding. Look at this. I can go
full circle. Some of my bucktail.
(15:05):
Well, you know, it's funny toobecause I would say, you know, for
folks that if you're listeningand you are kind of you like the
butcher shop stuff or you likethe Predator fly stuff that Alice
and I talk about. I wasactually having this conversation
with, with Brendan Rocheyesterday. You know, you know, one
of the ways, you know, it's atire shop. First of all, you've seen
the pictures I put up onInstagram of all the Whiting Ackle
(15:28):
and that usually pulls thePredator fly guys out of the woodwork.
But I would also say too, youknow, they're just not very many
retail stores that you canwalk in and they're probably six
to eight different brands ofhooks hanging on pegs on the wall.
That's such a good point,Marv. And it's one of the reasons
why, I mean, I just gotgoosebumps when I say he's doing
(15:51):
it right. It's not like, oh,he's supportive of me. He's supportive
of everyone. I mean the num.The number of, not just the number
of types of squirmy wormymaterial like the, the, the actual
gel stuff, the, the chenille.I mean there's different brands,
(16:14):
different colors. The hooksdown to a size 22, 24. I think of
this, this one little story,someone coming in and asking for
a size 12 specific TMC. Iforget the actual model. He didn't
have it. He had in three days.And you know, Daiichi, all of the
(16:38):
A Rex stuff that, that a lotof people like to tie. I like Daiichi
and A Rex Gama Gatsu. I mean,yeah, it's that, that takes thought
and it's also he's, he's agreat tire. That takes someone who
has the reps to understandthat there's utility for all these
different things andstylistically that people like different
(16:58):
things.
Yeah, 3x streamer hooks arenot all created equal.
That is true.
Yeah. So enough about that. Iwill try to drop, remember to drop
a link in the show notes. Youknow, classes at 8:30 on Saturday
morning at the shop and thenthere's a meet and greet at the brewery
next door in the afternoon. Agreat opportunity to pop by. Particularly
(17:19):
if it's going to be rainy.Rainy but then also, Ellis, before
I let you hop, you didn't eventell people how much you love to
talk about fishing, how to getin touch and how to get on the boat.
Yeah. If you can't sleep atnight and you just want to listen
to the sound of my voice,rationalize why I am, in fact, correct
about things that I reallydon't know much about, you can reach
(17:41):
me at 513-54-33-0019. And alsodo that to book your trips and get
out because it's. It's been hot.
Yeah. Well, there you go.Well, folks, as I always say, this
time of year, you owe it toyourself to get out there and catch
a few tight lines, everybody.Tight line. Zealous.
Appreciate it, Marv.
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I am doing well, Marv. How are you?
And as always, I'm just tryingto stay out of trouble. And you know,
I wouldn't quite say we haveEllis weather anymore, but you should
be happy. You've got a fairamount of rain later in the week.
(00:22):
Yeah, yeah, I am happy. Andthat's just because I'm working on
me, Marv. Now the, the normalschedule of, of getting five hours
on the Wataga six days a weekis, it's good for the river. It keeps
things cool. You get high andlow water dry fly activity. Obviously
(00:48):
I, I do like to, to notatethe, the non one trick pony here,
but obviously I'm partial tostreamer fishing. Like it's, it's
just very fun. Fishingstreamers in big water is something
I like to do. And so beingable to do that, man, I was just,
I've been talking with anumber of people about how it was
(01:09):
just, I'm pretty sure I said acouple weeks ago as well. It was
just a long, long winter andearly spring with very irregular
if any releases. And for acouple months there are no releases.
And so it's, it's hard work tocatch a big brown trout, period.
(01:32):
Sometimes that means havingyour, you know, the benefit of going
out with me is dry fly game.Like you have to take the rod and
cast and you know, set thehook and fight the fishing. But,
you know, doing that on yourown, you got to figure out what is
needed and, and that could bethe fly, it could be the. Are you
(01:55):
drifting it from 10ft? Can youget away with 5.5 or 5x? Are we fighting
this thing in on 6? You know,if you're weight fishing, what are
the currents and RuPaulsituation? So there's just, there's
a lot of tough stuff withstreamers. It's mainly, it's the,
it's not lifting your rod atall on the set and then a couple
(02:15):
things after that. But that'sthe biggest one. After you get them
to eat, getting them to eatcan be a really difficult thing to
do. And that, that wassomething that over the course of,
you know, six, eight hours,when we're not seeing the dry flies,
when we're not getting thesehigh low water bug activity, you
(02:39):
know, intermittent, let'spause and, and snap up some fish.
And some of them are big. Soit's, it's not like a waste of time
at all if you're, if you're,you know, hunting big fish. But it,
it is fun. You're sightfishing two risers with the dry flights.
If you don't like that, then,I don't know, fish with someone else.
But like that's, that's just,it's something I love to do and,
(03:01):
and I love teaching castingand, and that dry fly presentation
and all the variables aroundit so that, you know, yesterday was
giant sun. There was a littlebit of haze, but not really. And
my clients looking aroundsaying, I've never seen this many
(03:23):
fish, right? I mean hecouldn't cast a dry fly into the
water without getting eaten.And we're just, we're surrounded
by fish. Not in a slick, notin a seam, not in a ripple. I mean,
bank to bank, the river'sboiling and you know, those things
only last for 15, 20, 30minutes, ish, maybe a little more.
(03:47):
But when that's happening,the, the before and after is also
really good. And you know, foreverything I say about the influence
of the moon and bitiness and,and all that, like it was a bad moon
day, bad Sunday, and it waspretty clear water and it was real
(04:12):
bitey. We went through like athree hour period where it was just
super tough and you know, weonly maybe moved a fish or two and
then it just, that windowcracked open and, and it was on.
So as much as I look forwardto fishing when it's overcast and
(04:33):
I got out on my own last week,I guided myself on a monster day
and it felt very good and itwas raining overcast and just very,
very active all day. I havesome videos that I'll be sharing
on social media. So yeah,always look, look for that. You know,
(05:01):
the, the big clouds coming inand some of these summertime fronts
can be really productive, butit's, it's, it's nice out there right
now and it's in terms of thefishing on, even on the, the bluebird
days. And we really, we havemore than a couple months of that
(05:25):
in front of us. So I'm excitedfor it and I would say get your,
you know, I said, startedsaying this last year, but don't,
don't wait till October if youwant to fish streamers. That's not
streamer season here. It's,it's a different thing. We don't
freeze. It's just, it'sdifferent here. So if you're in the
(05:47):
area and you're, you'rethinking of efficient streamers,
it's, it's May, June, July,sort of August, and you know, we
make it happen in at all timesa year. But you start getting into
September, October, and Istart liking things less and less.
So I'm going to step away fromboth. You barely even asked me a
(06:12):
question. I'm talking for 10minutes and a little bit of a soapbox
there.
Yeah, I've recalled thedrones, so you're good.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
They are going to refuel justin case we run long on the listener
question.
It's never safe.
So James, who's, who's sendingquestions before, had a question
for you, and I think this onewill make your head explode a little
(06:33):
bit. He wanted to know what doyou do when you get a long brown
trout follow, but no eat? Youknow, do you pause? Do you speed
up? Do you figure eight? Youknow, what's the trick?
Yeah, I wish that there werean easy answer to this one. The,
the. The biggest and, andbrightest answer is Figure 8. And
(07:04):
it's, it's a little. I'mgonna, I'm gonna stay away from getting
too spooky with this one here,but, but it's strange that that's
the question tonight becausethat's a, that's a really specific
question. And, and I have avideo like edited and, and ready
(07:28):
on the, the drafts inInstagram right now to post of. Of
me from the other day with atrout. He must have turned around
on the fly three or fourdifferent times coming to the boat,
and then followed it all theway through 18 or it's. It's a circle.
(07:49):
When you, when you're riverfishing and things are kind of tight,
the, the figure O can beeffective. And I mean, you can see
the fish follow the entiretime. And then I ran into a bush
and kind of lost some light,but. So I stopped the video there.
But after running into thebush and just keeping the fly and
(08:12):
kind of blindly moving it, Ilooked up and he was still there.
And I had given it a briefpause. That's normally what my answer
is. If when working it back tothe boat, I was fishing it drunk,
right. So it's not like I'mburning something back. So kind of
rewinding, definitely send thedrones rewinding. If you're working
(08:36):
something back quickly or at aconstant retrieve or you didn't cast
in a tight angle and your lineis getting swept and you're fishing
something with lead eyes or acone head, stop it, lift up and drop.
Do something that willabsolutely Kill the action of that
fly. Because those lead eyesand conehead, one of the most effective
(08:59):
uses of those things is touse. I talk about the strip and the
kill all the time. They have abuilt in kill. It's not necessarily
one that I like or findexciting, but that little drop when
you release tension. Andagain, if your line is getting swept,
if you're wade fishing andyou're not, you know, you're doing
some sort of modified swing,either purposely or on accident,
(09:25):
you are going to have to. Thisis where the, the jerk strip will
come into play. And I dislikethat for a lot of different reasons.
But when you're in thatposition, mostly because it takes
you out of the strip set justby default, but when you are in that
position of your line's kindof getting swept, you have a brown
trout following, it's notcommitting and you're stripping and
(09:47):
you're not able to give it aproper kill because the current's
pushing it. Lift the rod,sweep the rod, do something, and
then immediately go back towhere you were. And that'll just
provide that brief littleacceleration that might do it, Some
sort of change in what you'redoing. I talk about this a lot of,
you know, you're, you'redating and then, or, you know, you're
(10:12):
just friends or whatever andyou gotta close the deal at some
point you gotta make a move,ask them to go out to dinner, do
something that you haven'tbeen doing. And most of the time
it's creating some sort ofabrupt change in pace, which I don't
want to just say stop it,because then, you know, it, it's
(10:34):
just sitting there, it's dead.But doing short, fast, shorter, faster,
shorter, faster, little pop,pop, pop, pop, pop. That can be it.
I used to do that because Iwant to maximize the number of whatever
we want to call it. How do weelicit a predatory strike, those
(10:58):
bite triggers, whatever other$10 words and phrases we want to
use. I want to get as muchstuff jammed in a confined space
because I'm going to end up atthe boat and then, well, we're out
of luck. No, we're not. And sofor the last year or two, definitely
(11:19):
for the last year, I've beenencouraging people to keep their,
you know, jam the tip in, keeptheir fly in the water. Marv, you
got a knee to the boat andthat was, that's just holding your
fly down in the water withsome current moving. So if, if, if
you're getting a trout who'scoming up and Approaching the tip
of your rod and you're notvery far away from that. The blinders
(11:42):
are on. Dip your tip andfigure eight em. And then in that
eight, if they're not. Orfigure out if they're not committing
after a couple eights or acouple O's, start, start doing some
sweeps and kills. So whenyou're moving it through the eight,
(12:02):
stopping it every once in awhile. Yeah. Near and dear to my
heart and very timely. So I'mgonna, I'm going to call that answer
good for right now.
There you go. And you know,folks, we love questions on the articulate
fly. You can email me or DM meon social media, whatever's easiest
for you. And if I use yourquestion, I will send you some articulate
(12:24):
fly swag that will probablyinclude a butcher shop or two sticker
or two. And we'll enter adrawing for some cool stuff from
Ellis and Ellis I saw onsocial media, I think it was last
week. You had a bunch ofbucktails out, right?
Yeah, got a bunch ofbucktails. Really nice chartreuse
color that is. Is just barelytipping towards green, but, but still,
(12:48):
chartreuse is tough. A lot oftimes it ends up being like a hot
lime. So I do take some ofthis, some of the, the coloring things,
the olives, the chartreuses, Itake pretty seriously. Nice orange
and then kind of somethrowback colors of lavender and
mint. And I, I have so manythat I've processed and just kind
(13:12):
of been sitting on. So I'll.I'll be continuing to update colors
there and yeah, that'savailable at Ellis Ward Flies. I
do want to shout out John atTailwaters Flyco locally here. I
was actually just fishing withhim today and good friend of mine
(13:36):
and the way he is running hisshop, it's. We're now nine months
in. I just, I have so muchrespect for him and, and I think
he's doing a fly shop theright way it. And I get that there's
(13:59):
different opinions on whatthat might look like, but his heart's
in it and he's smart and heloves fishing and he' a super fishy
dude. So he is. He's going tohave Blaine here this weekend to
do a tying class and then ameet and greet afterwards. And if
(14:19):
you're in the area, if you'vemet John or, you know, are doing
the tying class with Blaine orwant to meet Blaine, obviously you're
going to be doing it anywaysjust because of who those two people
are. If you haven't I highlyencourage anyone and everyone to
(14:39):
make some time to get thereand meet John and check out the shop.
It's stocked for tying in sucha great way. He has so many products
and such a wide varietyincluding. Look at this. I can go
full circle. Some of my bucktail.
(15:05):
Well, you know, it's funny toobecause I would say, you know, for
folks that if you're listeningand you are kind of you like the
butcher shop stuff or you likethe Predator fly stuff that Alice
and I talk about. I wasactually having this conversation
with, with Brendan Rocheyesterday. You know, you know, one
of the ways, you know, it's atire shop. First of all, you've seen
the pictures I put up onInstagram of all the Whiting Ackle
(15:28):
and that usually pulls thePredator fly guys out of the woodwork.
But I would also say too, youknow, they're just not very many
retail stores that you canwalk in and they're probably six
to eight different brands ofhooks hanging on pegs on the wall.
That's such a good point,Marv. And it's one of the reasons
why, I mean, I just gotgoosebumps when I say he's doing
(15:51):
it right. It's not like, oh,he's supportive of me. He's supportive
of everyone. I mean the num.The number of, not just the number
of types of squirmy wormymaterial like the, the, the actual
gel stuff, the, the chenille.I mean there's different brands,
(16:14):
different colors. The hooksdown to a size 22, 24. I think of
this, this one little story,someone coming in and asking for
a size 12 specific TMC. Iforget the actual model. He didn't
have it. He had in three days.And you know, Daiichi, all of the
(16:38):
A Rex stuff that, that a lotof people like to tie. I like Daiichi
and A Rex Gama Gatsu. I mean,yeah, it's that, that takes thought
and it's also he's, he's agreat tire. That takes someone who
has the reps to understandthat there's utility for all these
different things andstylistically that people like different
(16:58):
things.
Yeah, 3x streamer hooks arenot all created equal.
That is true.
Yeah. So enough about that. Iwill try to drop, remember to drop
a link in the show notes. Youknow, classes at 8:30 on Saturday
morning at the shop and thenthere's a meet and greet at the brewery
next door in the afternoon. Agreat opportunity to pop by. Particularly
(17:19):
if it's going to be rainy.Rainy but then also, Ellis, before
I let you hop, you didn't eventell people how much you love to
talk about fishing, how to getin touch and how to get on the boat.
Yeah. If you can't sleep atnight and you just want to listen
to the sound of my voice,rationalize why I am, in fact, correct
about things that I reallydon't know much about, you can reach
(17:41):
me at 513-54-33-0019. And alsodo that to book your trips and get
out because it's. It's been hot.
Yeah. Well, there you go.Well, folks, as I always say, this
time of year, you owe it toyourself to get out there and catch
a few tight lines, everybody.Tight line. Zealous.
Appreciate it, Marv.
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