August 26, 2025 • 34 mins
Episode #220
In this week’s episode, Terri teams up with Coach Lisa Chance to share their favorite reads beyond the must-have TFM titles from Jason Fung and Megan Ramos. As the host of TFM’s weekly Community Book Club, Lisa highlights top Community favorites and gives you a sneak peek at what’s coming up next. Whether you’re looking for fresh insights, practical strategies, or just some inspiration to keep you motivated, this conversation is full of great recommendations to round out your fasting and wellness journey.
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00:00 Intro
02:22 Terri and Lisa share their favorite books
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(00:00):
And then you start realizing with this way of
life that when your willpower is high,
your insulin's low, and if your
insulin's high, your willpower is usually
low. And so you start getting
a little more compassionate curiosity.
[music]
(00:21):
Welcome back to another episode of The
Fasting Method podcast.
This is Terri Lance and I
am joined this week by
Coach Lisa Chance.
Lisa, how are you doing?
Doing good, Terri.
Excited to talk about my favorite subject...
Books. [laughs]
I was just going to say, every time
(00:42):
you come here, I'm excited about what we're
going to talk about, but today it's
just the tip top of excitement
because we're going to talk about
both of our favorites - books.
I don't know, though, Lisa, I think I give
you more credit for numbers
of books read and ability
to remember what you've read than
(01:03):
I even give myself credit for.
You are kind of my,
I don't know, not hero, maybe, but you're
a role model for me about reading
and books.
Books are like old friends to me.
So when I revisit them and reread them,
and I often will read a book and also
listen to a book, and I find I get different
(01:23):
things out of them when I do them either way.
So for those of you who don't know, I do
TFM (The Fasting Method) Book Club
every Monday morning.
They really are my old friends, and there are
certain books that we do
every year.
And so as we talk today, Lisa,
you and I touched base before starting
(01:44):
to record here, we thought maybe we would
share some about some of our favorites,
some that seem to be client
and Community member favorites, things that
we think can have a big impact for people.
I know that also you and I both
have a list of books that we want
to read, because there
is kind of a never-ending supply of
(02:06):
great books.
An I remember, as we were chatting earlier,
you mentioned that you have your books kind
of piled up around you right now
while we're recording this.
I brought them into the room.
[laughter] Usually my office is clean, but I
brought them in and all the towers are
stacked here.
I love it.
Mine are all on a bookshelf near me,
but many of mine are on
(02:28):
the phone because I do love to listen to them
on Audible.
So tell me a little bit, Lisa, kind of what
are your just broad categories
of the books that you like to read, related
to this journey?
Well, I'm kind of a blend of--
a lot of people think I'm the science coach,
right? She's going to cover the
(02:49):
specifics about type two diabetes
and that kind of thing, and autophagy
and everything. But really, I'm really kind
of half and half.
I like the woowoo.
And that's one of the books on my 'to
be read' stack is Why
Woo-Woo Works.
I really like both, and I try
to mix it up every month.
(03:10):
There's certain books that I do read every
year, like usually Self-Compassion
by Dr. Kristin Neff, which you told me about.
I love that book.
Atomic Habits - we do that every
year. And then we usually do one of
Megan or Dr. Fung's books.
But there are certain books-- if you were
starting out and
(03:31):
you really wanted to get the food, like, what
should I be eating?
All right, I know we're we're diet agnostic
here at TFM, but what should I be eating?
The books I highly recommend that you would
get would be Metabolical
by Dr. Robert H.
Lustig. That is fantastic.
We did that for two months.
It's a big book. Two months.
(03:52):
I had one guy in the group who bought like 20
books and gave them away for Christmas.
It was such a powerful book.
He gave them to all of his friends and
family. But there are other ones.
Good Energy by Dr. Casey
Means is good.
Learning those things, like Ultra-Processed
People.
The Craving Mind.
Two Meals a Day by Mark Sisson, if
(04:13):
you really want to understand what to put
on your plate.
Unless you're reading Dr. Fung's
book, or Megan's books.
Megan has a great book - The Essential Guide
to Intermittent Fasting for Women.
If you are shy of fat, or
shy of salt,
I would highly recommend you read the
(04:34):
doorstop, toe breaker [laughs]
The Big Fat Surprise by
Nina Teicholz.
The Salt Fix by Dr.
James Dinicolantonio, or
The Cholesterol Myth...
And you know what? I don't have that one
around me. I can't remember who that
is by... Let me...
It's two guys. One is the doctor and
(04:55):
one is not.
So it's by Dr. Jonny Bowden
And Dr. Stephen
Sinatra, who's the cardiologist.
So those kind of things where-- because this
is a paradigm shift.
Our way of life is a paradigm shift.
So if you're at all hesitant
on what we're doing and you really want the
WHY of it, those are good books.
(05:16):
Awesome.
I will jump in on that theme
a little bit. Mine is a little less specific
about what to eat, but a little bit more
about relationship with
food and problems with
food. So a couple of my favorites
would be When Food is Comfort (05:33):
Nurture
Yourself Mindfully, Rewire Your Brain,
and End Emotional Eating, by Julie
M. Simon.
I know you have done that one before in Book
Club because I got to join you for a meeting.
And that is one of those books I probably
have read once a year, every
year ,for the past three or four
(05:53):
years, because there's just so much of value
in it.
The Hunger Habit (05:57):
Why We Eat
When We're Not Hungry and How to Stop,
by Judson Brewer.
He is a psychiatrist that I love his
other books, and so I was very
excited when this one came out.
And then there's some oldies but goodies like
The Case Against Sugar.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and Breaking Up With Sugar, by
Molly Carmel. You recommend that one, right?
(06:20):
Those are all really good books to get you
started. Even Wheat Belly, if
you're really trying to, you know, what do
I need to do?
Because I think that brain-gut
axis is very powerful.
You've got to fix both.
I don't know how you got through to me when I
was eating sugar, Terri, but you did.
[laughs] You
(06:40):
whittled your way through.
But I think not being on those
substances - ultra-processed food,
flour, sugar - and not getting enough
fat, that your brain can't change
to growth mindset.
I really do believe that.
In that vein, I also have
on my list, some of my favorites also
(07:01):
would be-- it sounds a little weird when I
say this, but these are actually ones about
alcohol recovery and addiction,
and looking at these related to
food and sugar addiction.
So for me, that would be Rational Recovery:
The New Cure for Substance Addiction by
Jack Trimpey.
And then This Naked Mind (07:19):
Control Alcohol,
Find Freedom, Discover Happiness, and
Change Your Life by Annie Grace.
These both have been instrumental to
me in my own journey and my work
within TFM with clients and
Community members.
This Naked Mind, that book actually was the
kind of tipping point for me
(07:41):
when I decided to stop sugar for good,
a little over a year ago.
So that was the book I was reading at the
time that really prompted that.
I just read The Rational Recovery.
I just read that one, finally, and
it just like clicked something inside of me.
And I know Coach Jamie has done The Naked
Mind. I know she really likes that one.
(08:02):
I have it. I haven't dived into it.
I do remember you saying every
sentence in that book is a mic drop.
You know, boom, each
and every sentence.
Absolutely.
The other one that I would say has
been a favorite of mine for a while,
and probably evident by the fact
(08:23):
that I used to talk about it nonstop
at TFM, related again to
what we eat and our relationship
with food, and that is Never Binge Again:
Reprogram Yourself to Think Like a
Permanently Thin Person, Stop Overeating
and Binge Eating, and Stick to the Food Plan
of Your Choice, by Glenn Livingston.
(08:43):
He has a newer version of this.
I think it's called Defeat Your Cravings.
But one of the reasons I like this is
there are just so many little kind of
catch phrases or terms
that he uses that we can talk
about so easily in a large group.
"How do you refute that?" and "What food
rule is that?" and just these things.
(09:03):
And I know I didn't put this on my list, but
I know you really liked.
Like might be a strong word, but
his workbook, The Never--
I love my workbook, yes.
[laughs]
Yes, I love it.
I love it. We took two months to go through
that. There's 33 squeals
in there, and I think I have them all.
(09:25):
[laughs] It really helps to do the workbook.
I'm one of those people-- I think you've got
to do the work. I mean, yes, you've got
to clean up your environment, you've got to
clean up your brain, you've got to clean up
your gut, but I think it's easier
to do the work when you
do do those things.
And there's Limitless too.
I really liked Limitless.
(09:46):
There's so many of them that I like.
Now, there's a couple of them that I have
and I've tried to read them and I'm like,
I can't do this as a Book Club.
I'm no good at this myself.
How can I do it as a Book Club?
One of which is Melissa Urban's
Boundaries.
I read the first chapter and I just went,
"Whoa!" It just blew me out of the water.
(10:07):
Then another one is Boundary Boss
by Terri Cole.
And so eventually, I hope to one day be able
to get to deal with Boundaries.
But I'm not good at setting boundaries.
[laughs]
Well keep reading it and maybe you'll feel
ready to share it.
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Another category of kind of how I've
laid out my list of books
is a lot of books
about mindset, self-talk,
(11:49):
all of that. So of course, on mine,
one of the ones that I highlighted as
one of my top choices, as you already
mentioned, is Self-Compassion by
Kristin Neff.
Definitely.
Definitely. Everyone should read that.
And it has nothing to do with food, but
almost everything we do with food
can be tied back to our work on
(12:10):
self-compassion.
She also has Fierce Self-Compassion,
which really gets more into women
being more assertive.
I've read a few chapters of that, but we do
do Self-Compassion every year.
I think it's mandatory for this
program, or it should be.
[laughs]
Yeah. For me, the Fierce Self-Compassion
actually is on my 'want to read' list.
(12:32):
I haven't gotten to it yet, so it's
definitely on my list.
But another mindset book that I
have only been introduced to in the past
few months, and it actually came through a
TFM meeting. A Community member said,
"Oh, Coach Heather recommended this one
book and it's really good." And that is The
Slight Edge.
(12:53):
And I think you said you're going to do that
one in the future?
Yes. It's by Jeff
Olson, and I believe
we're going to be doing that pretty soon,
relatively soon, and Coach
Heather has agreed to be our guest speaker
to answer Q&A.
Sometimes when I have a guest speaker, I have
them on the last Monday of the month after
(13:14):
everybody has read the book, just for a good
dialog.
It's such an important one.
I feel like these mindset books--
I find one that I really like, and I talk
about it, and just use that theme as
much as possible, and then all of a sudden
someone introduces me to another one.
It's like, oh, now this is my favorite.
Yes! So Lisa is holding up
(13:36):
Mindset by Carol Dweck.
And we talk a lot at TFM about
a growth mindset rather than a fixed
mindset. And again, this book, if you read
it, it has nothing to do with weight loss,
it has nothing to do with food, or anything,
but it really has to do with the power
of whether we have a growth mindset
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(and see that we can
develop, and grow, and
acquire new skills) or do we
see like, "Yeah, I just wasn't handed
that skill when I was being incubated,
so, nope, I can't do that." I
think it makes a huge difference.
So that's probably one of my all
time favorite books, not just related to
(14:16):
TFM, but I just think it's so powerful.
So The Slight Edge, mindset.
And then another one, maybe
moving more into another category on my
list of self-sabotage
is Healthy Habits Suck...
I was just going to say that!
Yeah! [laughs] The subtitle is How to Get Off
(14:37):
the Couch and Live a Healthy Life...
Even If You Don't Want To.
This one, I remember I was listening to it
for the first time last summer.
I was driving back and forth around the time
I was having cataract surgery, and so I had
to go out to an ophthalmologist
office that's an hour and a half away.
So lots of book listening time for
me. And this was the book.
(14:57):
And it was like mic drop in the car.
I'm like turning and looking at cars going
past me, like, "Did you hear that?
Yes!" So I love that book.
And one of the reasons I love it is
because I feel like, so
often, we as people
(you and I, Lisa, people in the Community,
listeners to this podcast), we
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start to get kind of down on ourselves that
we struggle with things.
Like, "I know I should work out every day.
Why don't I?" "I know that food
makes me feel sick. How come I keep eating
it?" So the title of the book
alone, I think, clears
all that up.
Healthy habits suck!
Do them anyway.
Yeah!
(15:40):
I mean, really, she talks in the book
about choice point.
You're either moving toward the outcome
you want or away from the outcome you want.
And I really like that.
There's a really excellent book called Stop
Self-Sabotage by Dr. Judy Ho.
I tried to read that book.
It took me the third time to get into
(16:01):
it because that's like heavy
excavation for me.
You know, just like the workbook to
Self-Compassion (there is a workbook to
Self-Compassion), and that's heavy
excavation. You have to take a deep dive,
like, you know, your feelings about your body
and everything, whereas Healthy Habits
Suck, it's right there.
(16:22):
It's deep enough that it's not superficial,
but it's like getting you to take
a look at what are your values, what are your
tools, what are your practices that you're
going to use to, you know,
get to where you want to be.
Absolutely.
And for those who want
to read something related to self-sabotage
(16:44):
and really enjoy some salty
language, and are not
easily embarrassed or turned
off by really salty language,
the book called Stop Doing
That Sh*t (16:56):
End Self-Sabotage
and Demand Your Life Back.
Trust me, that is the most mild sentence
of the whole book.
He has another one that I really like too.
But you know, Lisa, I tend to
be someone who-- a client just told
me, like, "Yeah, Terri, you're just kind
of soft and nice when you say
these things." This guy is not soft and
(17:17):
nice when he says these things.
He is just like in your face, kind
of shouting it in the Audible version, at
least. So I sometimes need books like
that too, that really just call it out,
you know, "Stop doing that shit!" So,
like I said, if you are not going to
shy away from the language, that's
also a powerful one.
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Coach Jamie has a book she recommended
for Book Club, which is Let Them
by Mel Robbins, I believe.
And I started to-- I got it and
I was like, "Oh wow!" I have such a rescue
complex, I don't know if I could do
this. That would be back there in the pile
with Boundaries and Boundary Boss.
(17:59):
[laughter] It's like probably I do need to
read it. It tells me right there.
But I did get it. I got it on both Kindle--
instead of hardback. I got it on Kindle and
on Audible.
Going back to your category of learning
more, reading more about
why and how what we eat matters.
Another book that I recommend for a lot
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of people who might be struggling
with depression or anxiety,
or have other loved ones
who are really struggling with mental health
issues, is Brain Energy (18:30):
a
Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding
Mental Health and Improving Treatment
for Anxiety, Depression, OCD, PTSD,
and more, by Christopher Palmer.
I think it's a great book to
really see what we
put into our mouths really makes a
difference in things.
(18:51):
And so oftentimes people are like, "Well, I'm
eating problematic foods because I'm
anxious." Well, let's
work on getting rid of the anxiety so that
you don't need an unhealthy coping
strategy. Or again, "I'm depressed."
Yes, your way of eating
may be greatly contributing to
that depression.
(19:12):
Which also leads me then to a book that's on
my 'want to read' list.
I have it and haven't read it yet,
but it's Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind:
A Powerful Plan to Improve Mood,
Overcome Anxiety, and Protect Memory
for a Lifetime of Optimal Mental Health,
by Dr. Georgia Ede, who I just love.
I've gotten to hang out with her at
conferences, so I can't believe that this
(19:34):
book is still on my 'to be read' list,
but that is definitely one for me.
It's on mine too. I keep-- it kind of moves
around on the top of the pile for which to do
next for Book Club, but I will tell you
that Dr. Chris Palmer was the
star of the Metabolic Summit.
That was last year.
He was so popular.
So many questions, so many people attending.
(19:57):
It is a very powerful book.
Love it.
I have another 'to be read' book
that I'm looking forward to at some point,
and it's written by Kelly McGonigal, and I
just like a lot of her work.
I think she does a really good job of
expressing things and works
on the things that I think really are
important. She has a great book.
(20:18):
One of my favorite books of hers
in the past was The Upside of Stress (20:20):
Why
Stress Is Good for You and How to Get Good at
It. So Kelly McGonigal
has a book called
The Willpower Instinct (20:30):
How
Self-Control Works, Why It Matters,
and What You Can Do to Get More of It.
So that's got to go on my-- I've got
to raise that on that list to get in
there sooner.
It's a good book. I read that one.
I think the stress one she wrote was--
we kind of did a preliminary Book Club
(20:51):
way back when to see if
it was going to take or not, and that was
that book. We didn't really have a formal
meeting type of thing, but we were over in
the Community forum doing that.
It's a good book too.
It's funny, as we're going over these, it's
kind of funny for me, Lisa, because
I'm on my screen looking at my list.
I'll make this list available for those of
(21:13):
you who are interested in what books I
have recommended to people, but one
of my categories is Habit Change,
and the first one in that category
for me is Atomic Habits (21:23):
An Easy,
Proven Way to Build Good Habits and Break Bad
Ones, by James Clear.
If you listen to my other podcast
with Daisy, we talk about this all
the time. James Clear, you know, he doesn't
know it, but he's probably one of my closest
friends because he is in almost every
conversation I have.
(21:43):
But I was listening to
that book in 2019.
Again, I listen to a lot more books
than I read nowadays, but I was listening to
it as I was driving across
the Big Island in Hawaii.
I was on my
way to a low-carb conference
where I was going to get to see Megan and
(22:04):
other TFM people.
I was all excited, and I was listening to
this great book and I thought, oh my gosh,
everyone at TFM
has to read this book.
It should be required that if you want
to join for membership, you have to take a
quiz that indicates that you have read
Atomic Habits.
(22:25):
And then I kept listening.
And again, it was like, you know, I'm looking
at people driving by me like, "Did you hear
what he just said?" And
I thought, oh my gosh, we need a
book club.
We need a place for people at
TFM to come and talk about
these books, because this
one, to me, was such a pivotal
(22:48):
book in how I think about
habits, and maybe something that
I hadn't really given much thought to until
I listened to this book.
So Atomic Habits is on the top of my
Habit Change section.
And again, it kind of led to the
development of, hey, let's
have a book club at TFM, but
(23:09):
you weren't at TFM yet, so
we didn't have a Lisa to have
the Book Club yet.
It was kind of funny because I had selected
to do Atomic Habits again.
I think this is our third time doing it.
And then I was like, "Oh, Terri and I are on
the same wavelength again," because you
had done podcast #209,
where you did your top three takeaways
(23:32):
from Atomic Habits.
And I do love-- I have a fond
memory of The Power of Habit by
Charles Duhigg, because it was the first kind
of habit book I read.
I do love Tiny Habits
by BJ Fogg, but Atomic
Habits is just-- it's just
so much in there, and worldwide,
(23:53):
it is very, very well known.
Absolutely.
Yeah. I love all these things.
And then, of course, you know, there's
The Untethered Soul
by Michael A Singer,
and there's also Taming
Your Gremlin, by Rick
Carson.
And both of those get in to kind of being
(24:14):
the observer of this.
Instead of beating yourself up over this
stuff, using compassionate curiosity
and just starting with an awareness
of what you did, you know, the choice
you made, what might have triggered
it. And then that ties in
nicely with the habits,
because so often, and
(24:36):
if I can say this on the podcast, I don't
know if I can say this or not, but motivation
is a fickle bitch.
[laughter]
We're going back to that salty language
here, folks.
If you can build it as a habit, it
becomes more and more natural, and you
don't have to rely on willpower
alone.
And then you start realizing with this way of
(24:58):
life that, when your willpower is
high, your insulin's low,
and if your insulin's high, your willpower is
usually low.
And so you start getting a little more
compassionate curiosity.
Another book that I have talked
a fair bit about, starting with Monday
Mindset podcast, but then I have talked
(25:19):
about it at TFM is a book
called The Gap and the Gain (25:21):
A High
Achiever's...
It's on my list.
...A High Achievers Guide to Happiness,
Confidence, and Success.
And one of the reasons-- you know, everyone
who knows me, knows I'm going to talk mindset
more than anything else, but I think why this
one is so important is we have often
been indoctrinated to be
(25:42):
evaluating ourselves, assessing
ourselves from the perspective of the gap -
what we haven't done yet, what we're not good
at, what we haven't accomplished,
goals we've not met -
versus the gain.
Have I lifted tremendously
heavy weights at my trainer's gym?
(26:02):
No.
But did I do three
incredibly hard workouts this week?
Yes.
That's looking at the gain
rather than, "Yeah, but I don't have big
muscles now." Okay, that's
the gap, and it's defeating.
And so I think some of these books,
if people are like me, sometimes
(26:25):
you don't even read the whole book.
You just need to understand the
kind of real premise and get a good enough
handle on it.
And that was one for me that started
with looking at a podcast episode
on it, but then looking at the book of, oh my
gosh, yeah, I've learned
to evaluate from that perspective of the
(26:46):
gap - all that I should
have done by now - instead of
looking at the positive.
There's a-- I don't know what you'd call
it-- a company
that is called Shortform.
And you can go in and get a short form
of that book.
I get their newsletter.
It's just what I need... More book
(27:06):
suggestions!
But, you know, the really nice thing about
that is some of these you really only
need the short form, you
know?
Some of them are too long.
That 'too long, don't read' kind of thing.
Give me the gist of it, and then if
I need more I will go back.
I actually do that. You mentioned before, you
sometimes like to be reading it and listening
(27:28):
to it. I often will
get the audio version first and listen
to it, and then, especially if it's one
that I'm going to talk about
in the Book Club with you or talk about
a lot, then I want the hard
copy of it to be able to find
those pages where those sections are talked
about, and kind of keep looking around and
(27:50):
see what I can make sense of there.
So I often have the audio version
and the bookshelf
version.
There's The Dorito Effect.
That was the book I was trying to think of.
You know, you read that one.
I haven't read it.
What they're putting in our food, right, to
get us to buy.
It's scary.
Yeah.
People who study that
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part of consumerism
know more about the human brain than most
psychiatrists, because they really know what
gets the brain to buy, to
think a certain way, to be allured
to something.
They actually increase the blood flow to
the amygdala and decrease
the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex,
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which is your CEO part of your brain.
They're targeting it specifically.
It's like, oh my goodness.
[laughter]
Another book that's on my 'to be read'
goes back to the topic of self-sabotage.
And this is a book that, again, a Community
member recommended.
I got the download, but I
haven't gotten into it yet.
It's called The Mountain is You (28:54):
Transforming
Self-Sabotage into Self-Mastery,
by Brianna Wiest.
So that's another one of my 'want
to read', hopefully this year.
Yeah, that sounds like a good one.
I saw that on your list and I was like, ooh,
that looks intriguing.
[laughs]
Yeah, one of our Community mentors shared
(29:16):
that one with me, and I thought, hmm, putting
that on my list.
Just a few plugs, just for a couple of them
that I don't know where they would fit in.
Anatomy of a Breakthrough, by
Adam Alter.
And then The Glucose Revolution
by Jessie Inchauspé.
Is that how you say it? I don't know how to
say her last name.
Sorry, I had to spell it.
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And then, of course, Forever Strong.
If you want to get into the physical thing,
Forever Strong by Dr. Gabrielle Lyon.
She talks about how lifting
weights is important for your metabolic
health throughout your life, not
just when you get older or when you're, you
know, want to be buff, but also when
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you first start with your period.
It helps the transition of all the
female hormones because your muscles
are your metabolism, so it helps
through all the different stages of life.
That's a good one too.
There's so many.
Another book I've never tackled is
The Body Keeps The Score.
It's like, I think I would need like five
(30:19):
Terris on call in the room.
[laughter] Talk about a therapy session.
Ain't nobody got time for that, Lisa.
I know,
but it is a good book if you're daring enough
to, you know, to dive in that river.
Absolutely.
I also was thinking earlier when I was
(30:40):
looking through my books on my phone,
Glucose Revolution was one of my
very exciting books.
When I first read it, I was so excited
because I thought they were very real,
easy-to-implement strategies
that people can use.
And I liked that it
wasn't all about weight loss.
(31:00):
It was about just managing
glucose better to feel better.
You know, to not get hangry and to
not have all these ups
and downs based on our glucose levels.
So I loved that one, and I have not added
it yet to my list as one I recommend,
but I definitely enjoyed that one.
I have a client and she and her husband
(31:23):
both wear CGMs.
And she was like, "I don't understand
it. We eat the exact same meal,
the exact same portion, and
he doesn't spike on his blood sugar."
And I'm like, "You've got to read this book.
You know, it really is n=1,
and maybe it's not your food.
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You've got to eat the foods you love that
love you back.".
That's right.
And that's one reason why we're diet agnostic
at TFM.
You know, we get vegetarians, we get
carnivores, we get pescatarians, we get
flexitarians, we get everybody.
We get people on the autoimmune protocol.
That's one of the best things that you can
do to figure out your food
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is do an autoimmune protocol.
It's one of the best things you can do.
I took all these lab classes and things
like that about what to test on your gut.
And I think I mentioned we read Healthy Gut,
Healthy You, by Dr. Michael Ruscio.
But all of these groups say that the best
thing you can do, better than any lab test,
is to do an elimination diet,
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but nobody wants to do that.
So that's what these books, all these books
will tell you, right, is you've
got to do the work.
That's right. That's for sure.
One of the books is called that, isn't it?
One of the books you like is called Do
the Work or something. I've forgotten who
that's by.
It's by Nicole LePera.
How To Do The Work by Dr. Nicole
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LePera.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah. So I skimmed through that
book and found it quite helpful.
But yes, you've got to do the work.
Absolutely.
And on the note of wrapping
up at the end of our conversation
here, one last book I'll put a little
plug in there for is called Finish.
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We're going to be doing that in January.
I know because I was thinking about doing it
for December, and when I read it I went, oh
no, this is
for January.
This is how you start.
All right, Lisa. Well, it's always fun to get
to talk to you, and especially fun that we
got to talk about something that we're both
so passionate about.
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I recommend to everyone, if anything
that we talked about today sounds interesting
to you, check it out.
See if it's a book that you also really
connect with. And sometimes what I find
is that when I get a recommendation from
someone, I start it and I'm like, meh,
this really isn't-- I don't like it.
I try and get through at least the first
(33:51):
couple of chapters.
And if I need to put it down, that's okay,
but often by doing that,
I find something else.
So please don't feel like you have
to be wedded to any of these titles
that Lisa and I share.
Of course we are right and they're really
good, but check
it out, see if it fits for you, and if not,
(34:13):
go ahead and move on to something else that
does fit for you.
Thank you so much for having me, Terri, this
has been fun.
Yeah, very fun.
Well, I will look forward to you coming on
again for another fun topic.
And until next week, everyone,
have a great week and we'll be back with
another episode.
Take good care.
And then you start realizing with this way of
life that when your willpower is high,
your insulin's low, and if your
insulin's high, your willpower is usually
low. And so you start getting
a little more compassionate curiosity.
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(00:21):
Welcome back to another episode of The
Fasting Method podcast.
This is Terri Lance and I
am joined this week by
Coach Lisa Chance.
Lisa, how are you doing?
Doing good, Terri.
Excited to talk about my favorite subject...
Books. [laughs]
I was just going to say, every time
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you come here, I'm excited about what we're
going to talk about, but today it's
just the tip top of excitement
because we're going to talk about
both of our favorites - books.
I don't know, though, Lisa, I think I give
you more credit for numbers
of books read and ability
to remember what you've read than
(01:03):
I even give myself credit for.
You are kind of my,
I don't know, not hero, maybe, but you're
a role model for me about reading
and books.
Books are like old friends to me.
So when I revisit them and reread them,
and I often will read a book and also
listen to a book, and I find I get different
(01:23):
things out of them when I do them either way.
So for those of you who don't know, I do
TFM (The Fasting Method) Book Club
every Monday morning.
They really are my old friends, and there are
certain books that we do
every year.
And so as we talk today, Lisa,
you and I touched base before starting
(01:44):
to record here, we thought maybe we would
share some about some of our favorites,
some that seem to be client
and Community member favorites, things that
we think can have a big impact for people.
I know that also you and I both
have a list of books that we want
to read, because there
is kind of a never-ending supply of
(02:06):
great books.
An I remember, as we were chatting earlier,
you mentioned that you have your books kind
of piled up around you right now
while we're recording this.
I brought them into the room.
[laughter] Usually my office is clean, but I
brought them in and all the towers are
stacked here.
I love it.
Mine are all on a bookshelf near me,
but many of mine are on
(02:28):
the phone because I do love to listen to them
on Audible.
So tell me a little bit, Lisa, kind of what
are your just broad categories
of the books that you like to read, related
to this journey?
Well, I'm kind of a blend of--
a lot of people think I'm the science coach,
right? She's going to cover the
(02:49):
specifics about type two diabetes
and that kind of thing, and autophagy
and everything. But really, I'm really kind
of half and half.
I like the woowoo.
And that's one of the books on my 'to
be read' stack is Why
Woo-Woo Works.
I really like both, and I try
to mix it up every month.
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There's certain books that I do read every
year, like usually Self-Compassion
by Dr. Kristin Neff, which you told me about.
I love that book.
Atomic Habits - we do that every
year. And then we usually do one of
Megan or Dr. Fung's books.
But there are certain books-- if you were
starting out and
(03:31):
you really wanted to get the food, like, what
should I be eating?
All right, I know we're we're diet agnostic
here at TFM, but what should I be eating?
The books I highly recommend that you would
get would be Metabolical
by Dr. Robert H.
Lustig. That is fantastic.
We did that for two months.
It's a big book. Two months.
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I had one guy in the group who bought like 20
books and gave them away for Christmas.
It was such a powerful book.
He gave them to all of his friends and
family. But there are other ones.
Good Energy by Dr. Casey
Means is good.
Learning those things, like Ultra-Processed
People.
The Craving Mind.
Two Meals a Day by Mark Sisson, if
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you really want to understand what to put
on your plate.
Unless you're reading Dr. Fung's
book, or Megan's books.
Megan has a great book - The Essential Guide
to Intermittent Fasting for Women.
If you are shy of fat, or
shy of salt,
I would highly recommend you read the
(04:34):
doorstop, toe breaker [laughs]
The Big Fat Surprise by
Nina Teicholz.
The Salt Fix by Dr.
James Dinicolantonio, or
The Cholesterol Myth...
And you know what? I don't have that one
around me. I can't remember who that
is by... Let me...
It's two guys. One is the doctor and
(04:55):
one is not.
So it's by Dr. Jonny Bowden
And Dr. Stephen
Sinatra, who's the cardiologist.
So those kind of things where-- because this
is a paradigm shift.
Our way of life is a paradigm shift.
So if you're at all hesitant
on what we're doing and you really want the
WHY of it, those are good books.
(05:16):
Awesome.
I will jump in on that theme
a little bit. Mine is a little less specific
about what to eat, but a little bit more
about relationship with
food and problems with
food. So a couple of my favorites
would be When Food is Comfort (05:33):
Nurture
Yourself Mindfully, Rewire Your Brain,
and End Emotional Eating, by Julie
M. Simon.
I know you have done that one before in Book
Club because I got to join you for a meeting.
And that is one of those books I probably
have read once a year, every
year ,for the past three or four
(05:53):
years, because there's just so much of value
in it.
The Hunger Habit (05:57):
Why We Eat
When We're Not Hungry and How to Stop,
by Judson Brewer.
He is a psychiatrist that I love his
other books, and so I was very
excited when this one came out.
And then there's some oldies but goodies like
The Case Against Sugar.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and Breaking Up With Sugar, by
Molly Carmel. You recommend that one, right?
(06:20):
Those are all really good books to get you
started. Even Wheat Belly, if
you're really trying to, you know, what do
I need to do?
Because I think that brain-gut
axis is very powerful.
You've got to fix both.
I don't know how you got through to me when I
was eating sugar, Terri, but you did.
[laughs] You
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whittled your way through.
But I think not being on those
substances - ultra-processed food,
flour, sugar - and not getting enough
fat, that your brain can't change
to growth mindset.
I really do believe that.
In that vein, I also have
on my list, some of my favorites also
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would be-- it sounds a little weird when I
say this, but these are actually ones about
alcohol recovery and addiction,
and looking at these related to
food and sugar addiction.
So for me, that would be Rational Recovery:
The New Cure for Substance Addiction by
Jack Trimpey.
And then This Naked Mind (07:19):
Control Alcohol,
Find Freedom, Discover Happiness, and
Change Your Life by Annie Grace.
These both have been instrumental to
me in my own journey and my work
within TFM with clients and
Community members.
This Naked Mind, that book actually was the
kind of tipping point for me
(07:41):
when I decided to stop sugar for good,
a little over a year ago.
So that was the book I was reading at the
time that really prompted that.
I just read The Rational Recovery.
I just read that one, finally, and
it just like clicked something inside of me.
And I know Coach Jamie has done The Naked
Mind. I know she really likes that one.
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I have it. I haven't dived into it.
I do remember you saying every
sentence in that book is a mic drop.
You know, boom, each
and every sentence.
Absolutely.
The other one that I would say has
been a favorite of mine for a while,
and probably evident by the fact
(08:23):
that I used to talk about it nonstop
at TFM, related again to
what we eat and our relationship
with food, and that is Never Binge Again:
Reprogram Yourself to Think Like a
Permanently Thin Person, Stop Overeating
and Binge Eating, and Stick to the Food Plan
of Your Choice, by Glenn Livingston.
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He has a newer version of this.
I think it's called Defeat Your Cravings.
But one of the reasons I like this is
there are just so many little kind of
catch phrases or terms
that he uses that we can talk
about so easily in a large group.
"How do you refute that?" and "What food
rule is that?" and just these things.
(09:03):
And I know I didn't put this on my list, but
I know you really liked.
Like might be a strong word, but
his workbook, The Never--
I love my workbook, yes.
[laughs]
Yes, I love it.
I love it. We took two months to go through
that. There's 33 squeals
in there, and I think I have them all.
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[laughs] It really helps to do the workbook.
I'm one of those people-- I think you've got
to do the work. I mean, yes, you've got
to clean up your environment, you've got to
clean up your brain, you've got to clean up
your gut, but I think it's easier
to do the work when you
do do those things.
And there's Limitless too.
I really liked Limitless.
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There's so many of them that I like.
Now, there's a couple of them that I have
and I've tried to read them and I'm like,
I can't do this as a Book Club.
I'm no good at this myself.
How can I do it as a Book Club?
One of which is Melissa Urban's
Boundaries.
I read the first chapter and I just went,
"Whoa!" It just blew me out of the water.
(10:07):
Then another one is Boundary Boss
by Terri Cole.
And so eventually, I hope to one day be able
to get to deal with Boundaries.
But I'm not good at setting boundaries.
[laughs]
Well keep reading it and maybe you'll feel
ready to share it.
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Another category of kind of how I've
laid out my list of books
is a lot of books
about mindset, self-talk,
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all of that. So of course, on mine,
one of the ones that I highlighted as
one of my top choices, as you already
mentioned, is Self-Compassion by
Kristin Neff.
Definitely.
Definitely. Everyone should read that.
And it has nothing to do with food, but
almost everything we do with food
can be tied back to our work on
(12:10):
self-compassion.
She also has Fierce Self-Compassion,
which really gets more into women
being more assertive.
I've read a few chapters of that, but we do
do Self-Compassion every year.
I think it's mandatory for this
program, or it should be.
[laughs]
Yeah. For me, the Fierce Self-Compassion
actually is on my 'want to read' list.
(12:32):
I haven't gotten to it yet, so it's
definitely on my list.
But another mindset book that I
have only been introduced to in the past
few months, and it actually came through a
TFM meeting. A Community member said,
"Oh, Coach Heather recommended this one
book and it's really good." And that is The
Slight Edge.
(12:53):
And I think you said you're going to do that
one in the future?
Yes. It's by Jeff
Olson, and I believe
we're going to be doing that pretty soon,
relatively soon, and Coach
Heather has agreed to be our guest speaker
to answer Q&A.
Sometimes when I have a guest speaker, I have
them on the last Monday of the month after
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everybody has read the book, just for a good
dialog.
It's such an important one.
I feel like these mindset books--
I find one that I really like, and I talk
about it, and just use that theme as
much as possible, and then all of a sudden
someone introduces me to another one.
It's like, oh, now this is my favorite.
Yes! So Lisa is holding up
(13:36):
Mindset by Carol Dweck.
And we talk a lot at TFM about
a growth mindset rather than a fixed
mindset. And again, this book, if you read
it, it has nothing to do with weight loss,
it has nothing to do with food, or anything,
but it really has to do with the power
of whether we have a growth mindset
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(and see that we can
develop, and grow, and
acquire new skills) or do we
see like, "Yeah, I just wasn't handed
that skill when I was being incubated,
so, nope, I can't do that." I
think it makes a huge difference.
So that's probably one of my all
time favorite books, not just related to
(14:16):
TFM, but I just think it's so powerful.
So The Slight Edge, mindset.
And then another one, maybe
moving more into another category on my
list of self-sabotage
is Healthy Habits Suck...
I was just going to say that!
Yeah! [laughs] The subtitle is How to Get Off
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the Couch and Live a Healthy Life...
Even If You Don't Want To.
This one, I remember I was listening to it
for the first time last summer.
I was driving back and forth around the time
I was having cataract surgery, and so I had
to go out to an ophthalmologist
office that's an hour and a half away.
So lots of book listening time for
me. And this was the book.
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And it was like mic drop in the car.
I'm like turning and looking at cars going
past me, like, "Did you hear that?
Yes!" So I love that book.
And one of the reasons I love it is
because I feel like, so
often, we as people
(you and I, Lisa, people in the Community,
listeners to this podcast), we
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start to get kind of down on ourselves that
we struggle with things.
Like, "I know I should work out every day.
Why don't I?" "I know that food
makes me feel sick. How come I keep eating
it?" So the title of the book
alone, I think, clears
all that up.
Healthy habits suck!
Do them anyway.
Yeah!
(15:40):
I mean, really, she talks in the book
about choice point.
You're either moving toward the outcome
you want or away from the outcome you want.
And I really like that.
There's a really excellent book called Stop
Self-Sabotage by Dr. Judy Ho.
I tried to read that book.
It took me the third time to get into
(16:01):
it because that's like heavy
excavation for me.
You know, just like the workbook to
Self-Compassion (there is a workbook to
Self-Compassion), and that's heavy
excavation. You have to take a deep dive,
like, you know, your feelings about your body
and everything, whereas Healthy Habits
Suck, it's right there.
(16:22):
It's deep enough that it's not superficial,
but it's like getting you to take
a look at what are your values, what are your
tools, what are your practices that you're
going to use to, you know,
get to where you want to be.
Absolutely.
And for those who want
to read something related to self-sabotage
(16:44):
and really enjoy some salty
language, and are not
easily embarrassed or turned
off by really salty language,
the book called Stop Doing
That Sh*t (16:56):
End Self-Sabotage
and Demand Your Life Back.
Trust me, that is the most mild sentence
of the whole book.
He has another one that I really like too.
But you know, Lisa, I tend to
be someone who-- a client just told
me, like, "Yeah, Terri, you're just kind
of soft and nice when you say
these things." This guy is not soft and
(17:17):
nice when he says these things.
He is just like in your face, kind
of shouting it in the Audible version, at
least. So I sometimes need books like
that too, that really just call it out,
you know, "Stop doing that shit!" So,
like I said, if you are not going to
shy away from the language, that's
also a powerful one.
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Coach Jamie has a book she recommended
for Book Club, which is Let Them
by Mel Robbins, I believe.
And I started to-- I got it and
I was like, "Oh wow!" I have such a rescue
complex, I don't know if I could do
this. That would be back there in the pile
with Boundaries and Boundary Boss.
(17:59):
[laughter] It's like probably I do need to
read it. It tells me right there.
But I did get it. I got it on both Kindle--
instead of hardback. I got it on Kindle and
on Audible.
Going back to your category of learning
more, reading more about
why and how what we eat matters.
Another book that I recommend for a lot
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of people who might be struggling
with depression or anxiety,
or have other loved ones
who are really struggling with mental health
issues, is Brain Energy (18:30):
a
Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding
Mental Health and Improving Treatment
for Anxiety, Depression, OCD, PTSD,
and more, by Christopher Palmer.
I think it's a great book to
really see what we
put into our mouths really makes a
difference in things.
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And so oftentimes people are like, "Well, I'm
eating problematic foods because I'm
anxious." Well, let's
work on getting rid of the anxiety so that
you don't need an unhealthy coping
strategy. Or again, "I'm depressed."
Yes, your way of eating
may be greatly contributing to
that depression.
(19:12):
Which also leads me then to a book that's on
my 'want to read' list.
I have it and haven't read it yet,
but it's Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind:
A Powerful Plan to Improve Mood,
Overcome Anxiety, and Protect Memory
for a Lifetime of Optimal Mental Health,
by Dr. Georgia Ede, who I just love.
I've gotten to hang out with her at
conferences, so I can't believe that this
(19:34):
book is still on my 'to be read' list,
but that is definitely one for me.
It's on mine too. I keep-- it kind of moves
around on the top of the pile for which to do
next for Book Club, but I will tell you
that Dr. Chris Palmer was the
star of the Metabolic Summit.
That was last year.
He was so popular.
So many questions, so many people attending.
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It is a very powerful book.
Love it.
I have another 'to be read' book
that I'm looking forward to at some point,
and it's written by Kelly McGonigal, and I
just like a lot of her work.
I think she does a really good job of
expressing things and works
on the things that I think really are
important. She has a great book.
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One of my favorite books of hers
in the past was The Upside of Stress (20:20):
Why
Stress Is Good for You and How to Get Good at
It. So Kelly McGonigal
has a book called
The Willpower Instinct (20:30):
How
Self-Control Works, Why It Matters,
and What You Can Do to Get More of It.
So that's got to go on my-- I've got
to raise that on that list to get in
there sooner.
It's a good book. I read that one.
I think the stress one she wrote was--
we kind of did a preliminary Book Club
(20:51):
way back when to see if
it was going to take or not, and that was
that book. We didn't really have a formal
meeting type of thing, but we were over in
the Community forum doing that.
It's a good book too.
It's funny, as we're going over these, it's
kind of funny for me, Lisa, because
I'm on my screen looking at my list.
I'll make this list available for those of
(21:13):
you who are interested in what books I
have recommended to people, but one
of my categories is Habit Change,
and the first one in that category
for me is Atomic Habits (21:23):
An Easy,
Proven Way to Build Good Habits and Break Bad
Ones, by James Clear.
If you listen to my other podcast
with Daisy, we talk about this all
the time. James Clear, you know, he doesn't
know it, but he's probably one of my closest
friends because he is in almost every
conversation I have.
(21:43):
But I was listening to
that book in 2019.
Again, I listen to a lot more books
than I read nowadays, but I was listening to
it as I was driving across
the Big Island in Hawaii.
I was on my
way to a low-carb conference
where I was going to get to see Megan and
(22:04):
other TFM people.
I was all excited, and I was listening to
this great book and I thought, oh my gosh,
everyone at TFM
has to read this book.
It should be required that if you want
to join for membership, you have to take a
quiz that indicates that you have read
Atomic Habits.
(22:25):
And then I kept listening.
And again, it was like, you know, I'm looking
at people driving by me like, "Did you hear
what he just said?" And
I thought, oh my gosh, we need a
book club.
We need a place for people at
TFM to come and talk about
these books, because this
one, to me, was such a pivotal
(22:48):
book in how I think about
habits, and maybe something that
I hadn't really given much thought to until
I listened to this book.
So Atomic Habits is on the top of my
Habit Change section.
And again, it kind of led to the
development of, hey, let's
have a book club at TFM, but
(23:09):
you weren't at TFM yet, so
we didn't have a Lisa to have
the Book Club yet.
It was kind of funny because I had selected
to do Atomic Habits again.
I think this is our third time doing it.
And then I was like, "Oh, Terri and I are on
the same wavelength again," because you
had done podcast #209,
where you did your top three takeaways
(23:32):
from Atomic Habits.
And I do love-- I have a fond
memory of The Power of Habit by
Charles Duhigg, because it was the first kind
of habit book I read.
I do love Tiny Habits
by BJ Fogg, but Atomic
Habits is just-- it's just
so much in there, and worldwide,
(23:53):
it is very, very well known.
Absolutely.
Yeah. I love all these things.
And then, of course, you know, there's
The Untethered Soul
by Michael A Singer,
and there's also Taming
Your Gremlin, by Rick
Carson.
And both of those get in to kind of being
(24:14):
the observer of this.
Instead of beating yourself up over this
stuff, using compassionate curiosity
and just starting with an awareness
of what you did, you know, the choice
you made, what might have triggered
it. And then that ties in
nicely with the habits,
because so often, and
(24:36):
if I can say this on the podcast, I don't
know if I can say this or not, but motivation
is a fickle bitch.
[laughter]
We're going back to that salty language
here, folks.
If you can build it as a habit, it
becomes more and more natural, and you
don't have to rely on willpower
alone.
And then you start realizing with this way of
(24:58):
life that, when your willpower is
high, your insulin's low,
and if your insulin's high, your willpower is
usually low.
And so you start getting a little more
compassionate curiosity.
Another book that I have talked
a fair bit about, starting with Monday
Mindset podcast, but then I have talked
(25:19):
about it at TFM is a book
called The Gap and the Gain (25:21):
A High
Achiever's...
It's on my list.
...A High Achievers Guide to Happiness,
Confidence, and Success.
And one of the reasons-- you know, everyone
who knows me, knows I'm going to talk mindset
more than anything else, but I think why this
one is so important is we have often
been indoctrinated to be
(25:42):
evaluating ourselves, assessing
ourselves from the perspective of the gap -
what we haven't done yet, what we're not good
at, what we haven't accomplished,
goals we've not met -
versus the gain.
Have I lifted tremendously
heavy weights at my trainer's gym?
(26:02):
No.
But did I do three
incredibly hard workouts this week?
Yes.
That's looking at the gain
rather than, "Yeah, but I don't have big
muscles now." Okay, that's
the gap, and it's defeating.
And so I think some of these books,
if people are like me, sometimes
(26:25):
you don't even read the whole book.
You just need to understand the
kind of real premise and get a good enough
handle on it.
And that was one for me that started
with looking at a podcast episode
on it, but then looking at the book of, oh my
gosh, yeah, I've learned
to evaluate from that perspective of the
(26:46):
gap - all that I should
have done by now - instead of
looking at the positive.
There's a-- I don't know what you'd call
it-- a company
that is called Shortform.
And you can go in and get a short form
of that book.
I get their newsletter.
It's just what I need... More book
(27:06):
suggestions!
But, you know, the really nice thing about
that is some of these you really only
need the short form, you
know?
Some of them are too long.
That 'too long, don't read' kind of thing.
Give me the gist of it, and then if
I need more I will go back.
I actually do that. You mentioned before, you
sometimes like to be reading it and listening
(27:28):
to it. I often will
get the audio version first and listen
to it, and then, especially if it's one
that I'm going to talk about
in the Book Club with you or talk about
a lot, then I want the hard
copy of it to be able to find
those pages where those sections are talked
about, and kind of keep looking around and
(27:50):
see what I can make sense of there.
So I often have the audio version
and the bookshelf
version.
There's The Dorito Effect.
That was the book I was trying to think of.
You know, you read that one.
I haven't read it.
What they're putting in our food, right, to
get us to buy.
It's scary.
Yeah.
People who study that
(28:11):
part of consumerism
know more about the human brain than most
psychiatrists, because they really know what
gets the brain to buy, to
think a certain way, to be allured
to something.
They actually increase the blood flow to
the amygdala and decrease
the blood flow to the prefrontal cortex,
(28:33):
which is your CEO part of your brain.
They're targeting it specifically.
It's like, oh my goodness.
[laughter]
Another book that's on my 'to be read'
goes back to the topic of self-sabotage.
And this is a book that, again, a Community
member recommended.
I got the download, but I
haven't gotten into it yet.
It's called The Mountain is You (28:54):
Transforming
Self-Sabotage into Self-Mastery,
by Brianna Wiest.
So that's another one of my 'want
to read', hopefully this year.
Yeah, that sounds like a good one.
I saw that on your list and I was like, ooh,
that looks intriguing.
[laughs]
Yeah, one of our Community mentors shared
(29:16):
that one with me, and I thought, hmm, putting
that on my list.
Just a few plugs, just for a couple of them
that I don't know where they would fit in.
Anatomy of a Breakthrough, by
Adam Alter.
And then The Glucose Revolution
by Jessie Inchauspé.
Is that how you say it? I don't know how to
say her last name.
Sorry, I had to spell it.
(29:37):
And then, of course, Forever Strong.
If you want to get into the physical thing,
Forever Strong by Dr. Gabrielle Lyon.
She talks about how lifting
weights is important for your metabolic
health throughout your life, not
just when you get older or when you're, you
know, want to be buff, but also when
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you first start with your period.
It helps the transition of all the
female hormones because your muscles
are your metabolism, so it helps
through all the different stages of life.
That's a good one too.
There's so many.
Another book I've never tackled is
The Body Keeps The Score.
It's like, I think I would need like five
(30:19):
Terris on call in the room.
[laughter] Talk about a therapy session.
Ain't nobody got time for that, Lisa.
I know,
but it is a good book if you're daring enough
to, you know, to dive in that river.
Absolutely.
I also was thinking earlier when I was
(30:40):
looking through my books on my phone,
Glucose Revolution was one of my
very exciting books.
When I first read it, I was so excited
because I thought they were very real,
easy-to-implement strategies
that people can use.
And I liked that it
wasn't all about weight loss.
(31:00):
It was about just managing
glucose better to feel better.
You know, to not get hangry and to
not have all these ups
and downs based on our glucose levels.
So I loved that one, and I have not added
it yet to my list as one I recommend,
but I definitely enjoyed that one.
I have a client and she and her husband
(31:23):
both wear CGMs.
And she was like, "I don't understand
it. We eat the exact same meal,
the exact same portion, and
he doesn't spike on his blood sugar."
And I'm like, "You've got to read this book.
You know, it really is n=1,
and maybe it's not your food.
(31:44):
You've got to eat the foods you love that
love you back.".
That's right.
And that's one reason why we're diet agnostic
at TFM.
You know, we get vegetarians, we get
carnivores, we get pescatarians, we get
flexitarians, we get everybody.
We get people on the autoimmune protocol.
That's one of the best things that you can
do to figure out your food
(32:05):
is do an autoimmune protocol.
It's one of the best things you can do.
I took all these lab classes and things
like that about what to test on your gut.
And I think I mentioned we read Healthy Gut,
Healthy You, by Dr. Michael Ruscio.
But all of these groups say that the best
thing you can do, better than any lab test,
is to do an elimination diet,
(32:27):
but nobody wants to do that.
So that's what these books, all these books
will tell you, right, is you've
got to do the work.
That's right. That's for sure.
One of the books is called that, isn't it?
One of the books you like is called Do
the Work or something. I've forgotten who
that's by.
It's by Nicole LePera.
How To Do The Work by Dr. Nicole
(32:49):
LePera.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah. So I skimmed through that
book and found it quite helpful.
But yes, you've got to do the work.
Absolutely.
And on the note of wrapping
up at the end of our conversation
here, one last book I'll put a little
plug in there for is called Finish.
(33:10):
We're going to be doing that in January.
I know because I was thinking about doing it
for December, and when I read it I went, oh
no, this is
for January.
This is how you start.
All right, Lisa. Well, it's always fun to get
to talk to you, and especially fun that we
got to talk about something that we're both
so passionate about.
(33:31):
I recommend to everyone, if anything
that we talked about today sounds interesting
to you, check it out.
See if it's a book that you also really
connect with. And sometimes what I find
is that when I get a recommendation from
someone, I start it and I'm like, meh,
this really isn't-- I don't like it.
I try and get through at least the first
(33:51):
couple of chapters.
And if I need to put it down, that's okay,
but often by doing that,
I find something else.
So please don't feel like you have
to be wedded to any of these titles
that Lisa and I share.
Of course we are right and they're really
good, but check
it out, see if it fits for you, and if not,
(34:13):
go ahead and move on to something else that
does fit for you.
Thank you so much for having me, Terri, this
has been fun.
Yeah, very fun.
Well, I will look forward to you coming on
again for another fun topic.
And until next week, everyone,
have a great week and we'll be back with
another episode.
Take good care.
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