January 7, 2025 • 51 mins
Frank and Carlo are back for Season 2 of the Gray Hair Daycare podcast, tackling the highs and lows of impending fatherhood. Frank shares updates on Baby Josephine’s development (now the size of a butternut squash!) and recounts his experience with Kelly’s latest glucose test. They also delve into listener mail with reassuring feedback about C-sections and helpful advice on car seat safety. Plus, don't miss a heartwarming interview with returning guest, John Taylor, on the joys and challenges of fatherhood. Tune in for laughs, insights, and a healthy dose of pregnancy reality
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For some reason when I was a kid, I would take my tricycle.
(00:02):
Mm-hmm.
I would flip it over Okay, so the seat and the handlebars were on the ground and then you could grab The the pedal on the wheel and I would crank the pedal.
Okay, and in my head I was making ice cream Why I Don't know why This is yeah, he's a child.
(00:29):
It's not like there didn't have ice cream.
I was making ice cream.
Most kids would die For a bike for a tricycle.
Give me a tricycle.
You go.
I need that tricycles.
I want to make ice cream Yeah, I wanted my that's hilarious.
That's what I did with my tricycle making like an ice cream where you're like Did you have like anything other than like you're you're running a business?
(00:50):
I don't know Like part of me part of me as I think about this and I'm trying desperately to figure out why I would do that That's so good.
So our driving way
Was not we didn't have a paved
rocks we had
Run a crush because my dad the my dad as we have discussed was a distributor for stout or cookies
(01:16):
So we would have a tractor-trailer show up and there was a warehouse
We had a he had a like a 1300 square foot warehouse with a full bay door gotcha in the backyard
Which was strange because we lived in a neighborhood
But there it is
So that was that so we would have a tractor-trailer show up once a week with like commercial commercial things go through the residential
(01:39):
Our home was zoned commercial
This is the gray hair and daycare podcast with a combined age of 111 years and a combined IQ right in that same range
(02:01):
your hosts
Frank serio and Carlo Russo
Welcome back.
It's a whole new year.
Haha.
See see I'm a little bit tipsy season 2 baby.
I'm worried about how it works because we said that in the last episode and I'm like is it going to get screwed up if I start putting season 2 now?
Are things going to be out of order on Apple?
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I don't know how it works.
We're back to season 1 guys.
This might be season 1.
Let's stop talking about seasons.
I like the sound of season 2.
But anyway, welcome back to what may be the first episode of season 2 or just episode 11.
But either way, as always, I am Frank Cereo.
I am 55 years old.
(02:44):
And my wife is 28 weeks pregnant.
It just keeps going by and by.
And as we often do, always do, we have the weekly produce update.
The produce update is today we are up to a butternut squash size.
(03:09):
Her head is getting bigger.
Basically that's the big news of this week.
Butternut squash and her head is getting bigger to accommodate the huge brain.
Very nice.
Because with my wife contributing to the, it's going to be.
The baby's going to be all brains.
I'm already terrified that at four years old she's going to be asking me life questions that I'm unprepared to answer.
(03:34):
Oh they will.
It'll happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so that's it.
Butternut squash.
We're in week 28 and here we are back again.
That's awesome.
Butternut squash and a big old head, a big, big old head.
I love it.
And Kelly has on occasion mentioned her concern because I have a big noggin, right?
(03:57):
So I'm like, when you, when you, for those who are familiar with hat sizing.
So I'm like, uh, I think it's a seven and seven eights.
Like I'm a big, you said it's big.
Yeah.
Like I can't, you can't, I can't buy a hat like at target.
Like they're all like, they look like a party hat on me.
So she's like, I hope she's, she said a couple of times, I hope she doesn't have, yeah, we need, we need to have Kelly's head.
(04:23):
That's all right though.
For a little girl, Josie, you know, big noggin.
It's like a, some kind of a, a baddie in a Marvel film.
I'm going to say you have no worries because your sisters look great and on Kelly's side, they're good.
So you're, you're good.
I'm thinking, yeah, I think it's not going to be a bobblehead.
(04:49):
Bye bye baby.
Yeah.
Cause there are, there have been times, there's certain children that I've seen friends, not a family member where it's like, what happened on the way out?
Like the head, the head is, yes.
And that's a thing like now that I think has also become common.
I don't know if you're familiar with this, but they make like preventative helmets.
(05:12):
It's like a mold for the baby's head that they wear all the time to make the, have a pleasing head shape.
Yes.
Because when babies are young and they're sleeping, that will, that will shape their head spot.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they'll put that little, uh, right.
You got to roll them around like a meatball.
You don't want that.
You got to make sure they're, so they put that, they'll put that helmet on them and they can roll around in bed and not worry about it.
(05:35):
And they'll thank you later.
But I'm disturbed by a society where the child has a helmet to sleep.
Why?
Why is that?
We didn't have any of that.
That's why we have flat heads.
That's right.
I can use that to sand the back of my head.
So yeah, but yeah, that there's a, there's all that stuff people have to worry about.
(05:57):
Let's how does the, you know, if you're lucky enough to have hair, that's right.
Uh, you're not worried about your, your, but it's those, uh, those gentlemen and some ladies that lose their, their hair and they have to have a good noggin.
Yeah.
They have to have a good looking head.
Yep.
That, that is important.
I guess Josie's going to have a beautiful head and beautiful long hair.
(06:17):
It's going to be great.
Little Josie.
I have, I have every confidence that that will be the case.
Absolutely.
So the first thing up for this episode will be as often is case the silver Fox.
Oh, I love that.
So this, we got another very, very nice email from one of our fans, Becky.
(06:37):
Awesome.
And it was about, we have talked about on multiple occasions, my fears regarding the child birthing process and my hopes that I, if there was a cesarean that I would not be involved.
Right.
She of course, as wanted to disabuse me of that notion.
And we've already kind of talked about a little, but what I thought was interesting was she said that you don't worry, there will be a, you'll be there, but there will be a screen.
(07:04):
And that makes me feel better.
And it's a good, nice size screen.
What she said was that her husband, Jeff had to sign a piece of paper with this, this actually was very reassuring for me that he would not peak.
I'm not sure why, what she said that she was pretty sure that before that, like the doctor had a talk and was like, don't come over the screen.
(07:30):
You'd not want to see what we're doing.
You don't want to see the mystery.
Do you keep it that way?
Maybe it's like, I don't know, like they're picturing somebody like snacking on a breadstick and it's going to like reds peeking over.
I don't know.
But yeah, she said that he had to sign.
He had to sue him.
(07:51):
It's like a release for like a zip line.
That is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Yeah.
But she, this is from, from Becky.
You're going to be like, you don't have to worry about me citing anything.
I'm not looking.
I'll let you tattoo it on me.
I won't even be in the room if you want.
Knock me out.
Don't, don't worry about it with me.
(08:12):
That's fine.
So that was, but it was very nice to get the email.
Yeah.
The other thing I thought was a good one from, it was, this actually came from our name, the baby winner.
Okay.
Marie, we got to get that T-shirt.
This is a great, this is a great recommendation.
Um, we had talked about at some, some point in the past car seats and preparing and things like that.
(08:32):
And she recommended, and I've looked at it since, and this is a great resource.
There is an Instagram account called all one word, no dots or spaces safe in the seat, safe in the seat.
It has all kinds of information on good car seats, how they, how they, how to choose one, how it connects.
(08:53):
Yeah.
Great, great recommendation.
So it's on Instagram safe in the seat, safe in the seat covers a whole bunch of information that is valuable.
So a great tip from Marie and a very nice email from Becky.
Our very next segment is another installment of the database.
(09:19):
And we're going to be returning to our conversation with, uh, with our friend, John Taylor.
So this will be part two of his interview and we hope you enjoyed part one.
And here's a little bit more of the dulcet tones of John Taylor, ladies and gentlemen.
You know, it's, it's going okay, but it's, it's five days and I, you know, I'm, I'm his mom stays in the hospital the whole time and I, and I'm spending kind of every night there.
(09:50):
And then, you know, every night gets a little bit better, you know, night one, I'm, I'm on just a chair and then night two, I think I'm on two chairs pushed together.
And by like the fourth night, I actually got, uh, like some kind of cot, but we, um, you know, we, we get them out of there and it was just, it was a very, very scary thing.
(10:14):
But to go to your, back to your question about like teaching a child day and night, they don't know what that is.
So you have to, you kind of have to teach them like, okay, it's nighttime.
This is when we go to bed.
Cause if you don't, if you don't spend that time, if you don't put that effort in, they may sleep in the day and just say, Hey, let's be up all night.
(10:36):
And that be, you know, depending on your lifestyle, and you know, it's tough because in the beginning babies are eating every 90 minutes or so.
So really the way we got through it was we took shifts.
It was, you know, we, you're trying to look as an, as a modern society and many people are working, the struggle is how do you get some sleep and raise your baby, but also maintain, you know, your, your livelihood.
(11:13):
So, you know, we would take shifts where I would stay up with, like, we would try to get the baby down by seven, eight or nine generally in the early days.
It's, it's easy.
You get them down at like seven, um, as they get older, it gets more difficult, but, and I would stay up with the baby until I think around 2.00 AM.
(11:33):
So she would be in the, in the bedroom.
It's like, no matter what you hear, just stay asleep, get your five hours.
You were on duty until about 2.00 AM.
And then she would come out and take over at two.
And I would sleep until about two to seven.
And then I would get up for work.
So essentially what we were able to give each other was five uninterrupted hours of sleep.
(11:58):
And, and if during your five hours, the interesting thing about a baby is they do love to sleep.
So I'm out on the couch and rocking the baby, changing the baby's diaper, feeding the baby, but then the baby's going to lay down for 90 minutes and you kind of start to learn, Hey, maybe I can get 60 minutes in here or 90 minutes in here.
(12:21):
So you're getting the, um, the cat naps, you get a little cat nap.
So it's not like, it's not like I'm just getting the five hours of sleep.
Right.
Um, but you do get very good.
My mom used to say to me that cliche, Oh, you sleep when the baby sleeps.
And I used to hate that saying until I realized, okay, it's a saying for a reason.
(12:42):
Yeah.
Thinking you're going to, we were just talking about this, that thinking you're going to get anything done when the baby's sleeping is like a recipe for disaster.
Like at that point, you have to get the sleep when you do.
Um, it's, it's, it's very interesting.
You start to learn, it's, it's unexpected ways that you learn to get things done when the baby starts aging up into where they're in that little round, uh, you know, kind of almost play pen device that they can bounce in, but they can't really go anywhere.
(13:15):
You can suddenly realize, Oh, I can go put the, the wall, you know, the laundry in a, which, you know, non sequitur, but my God, the amount of laundry you do when you have a baby is insane.
The beautiful part is it's all so tiny that they're actually not very big loads.
You're just, you're washing so many bibs and so many onesies.
(13:39):
See, that's currently, that is my thing.
Like I do the laundry.
So if I recommend anything to explode 30 bibs, like you cannot have too many bibs.
You don't want to run out.
So got it.
That's awesome.
So that, you know, the initial kind of survival mode of what you were, you know, what you're going through early on is really just, you know, kind of the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being a dad.
(14:06):
So what do you, what do you think are, what do you think are the most important things you've learned now?
Jacob is eight.
So you've got eight years under your belt that, so that's like, you know, two undergrad degrees.
What, what, what do you think are the most important things you've learned about being a dad?
The most important things for me definitely have been how quickly everything goes and how temporary it is and just how much it really forces you to reprioritize what's important to you.
(14:43):
And, and sometimes it's, it's the smallest things in the world, just as a little 10 second interaction or five minute interaction with your kid that you're like, this is the greatest thing that's happened to me in the past 10 years.
Right.
And what is one of the, like, is there a recent example of a moment like that?
(15:06):
Yeah, for sure.
So I had this little bike for my son.
And one, one important lesson to give you about a kid is if they're not into something, sometimes you really gotta be ready to just accept that you cannot make it happen.
If they're not interested, they're into it.
If they're not, there's not a lot.
(15:27):
And some people I'm sure get luckier than others where, you know, if you're into something, your kid will get into it too.
But I had this bike and my son just had no interest, no interest, no interest, no interest.
And then I can't, I cannot even explain why, but one day recently he, he kind of drags it out and he's like trying to kind of ride it in the house.
(15:52):
And I'm like, hell, this isn't not going to be super helpful.
I'm like, why don't we take it outside?
And he is game.
So we take it outside and it's, this is sort of the end of like end of summer, early fall.
So it's, it's not quite, it's,
it's probably when we're getting dark around seven, eight o'clock and we're out there and I,
(16:17):
he's, you know, he's on it and we're, we're kind of pushing him down the, down the road
and I'm there and I've got my hand on his back and he, you know, we're talking and giving him
the push and then he's starting to do the peddling and it's, it's still, you know,
it's got the training wheels, but he's they're, they're kind of raised up a little.
(16:38):
So there's definitely tilt and he is riding and I'm, you know, I've got, I, I've got my camera out and he's basically, he's like, you know, you can take your hand off my back and I kind of take my hand off and I can see my shadow cause it's at night and he's riding and he looks up at me and it's in that moment where he's like, where he's like, I'm doing it.
(17:03):
And I just realized I'm living the moment that I've waited for that, that bonding moment where it's like, I'm going to remember, I'm, I'm certainly going to remember this for the rest of my life.
And he may or he may not.
I have very fond memory.
You know, my dad was, he was big into bedtime stories with me and I, they're my most cherished memories.
(17:30):
The way he would tell pretty interesting.
I wonder if that's where your love of narrative and movies.
I absolutely think that is.
I, I, because I spent my whole childhood and most of my adult life kind of browbeating myself being like, I'll be 10% of what my dad was.
(17:52):
And not in a negative way, but in a, in a cherished, like that's how important those memories are to me.
So, because I feel that way, it is possible.
Other people might feel that way up, up to and including my own child.
So it's, you, you gotta wonder sometimes what moments you're sharing with another human being that might end up being impactful.
(18:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that, I mean, that's how the, the, the moment of, uh, you know, with him learning to ride the bike and yeah, I can kind of picture it.
It's a very cinematic moment, the way you described it.
Oh, I, I was, cause I mean, I have goosebumps just retelling the story because I, I didn't, it all happened so quickly.
I, I didn't have time to prepare like, oh, we're going to, we're going to start practicing on the bike.
(18:39):
It just could be, it was just kind of, it just happened.
He was interested for a moment and I was like, okay, let's do this.
Let's get the bike out there.
Let's kind of strike while he's interested.
Cause I, I wasn't anticipating that it was going to happen, but I knew I didn't want to miss the opportunity.
I wanted to stoke that coal and then to see your kid's face light up about anything.
(19:02):
I mean, you can have, you can have the worst, worst day, uh, you know, life just kicking you, just being an asshole.
Yeah.
Your, your boss is just on your case about some lesson.
And then you get home and this kid just is going to change your world.
(19:23):
That's awesome.
So you mentioned it as part of that experience, are there favorite ways like that you actively try to have to build that bond with your son?
Like, do you, do you think is there, is there, is there a conscious effort to do that or just kind of taking opportunities like that where they present themselves or what do you think?
(19:43):
Yeah.
I mean, it's a little of both.
So it, it is, it is humbling, you know, especially as your, as your kid starts to age up, it's tough.
And again, I think this is might be cliche when you're, when your kid is very, very little as a baby, there's the interactions are mostly functional.
(20:04):
It's, it is a lot of love.
Like I have fond memories of just being exhausted and falling asleep on the couch with my kid on my chest.
And like, those are great moments.
And I think the early days you're so busy with so much that the memories you're making are just like a physical, they're just like the physical interactions, the quiet moments.
(20:29):
And it's when your kid starts moving and starts talking.
And then when they, I mean, you will remember the moments where you actually see the personality start to show and you're like, Oh, I remember my son.
One of the first times when he was like, he started using expressions or sayings.
(20:51):
And I was like, when did you start having expressions versus just functional dialogue and, and, and things like that.
So you kind of tried to, you try to make moments, like, obviously I'm really big into music.
I try to expose my son to as much music as I can.
(21:12):
And, you know, you gotta be ready for the fact that they have zero interest in things, but then you'll start to see it echo back at you in ways that you might not expect where they might show an interest.
And it's possibly because they are remembering more than you think.
(21:32):
And even if they don't show it in the moment, they are retaining like, Oh, I always, I always listened to music with my dad, or I know my dad was into this.
So there's that.
And then just kind of spending time and finding out what they're into and trying to, you know, show interest.
Have there been those moments where all of a sudden outcomes, something that he's interested in, or he's asking questions about, and you have no idea where that came from, like where, where, how did you end up, how did you end up asking about those?
(22:07):
What's interesting is sometimes they're learning about something in school and he'll come home and he'll, he'll just ask me to like quiz him on famous buildings in the world.
And I'm like, where is this coming from?
I don't have the syllabus.
And then, and then, so you start to, you start to see where things are happening, or he'll come home and he'll say he wants to go look up a bunch of random places on Google earth.
(22:36):
And you got to put up with him giggling himself silly because he looked up, you know, some funny sounding place in Chicago or whatever.
Gotcha.
You start to realize it's little kids are just really excited about everything they learn in school or everything they learn if they're in daycare, they come home and they're just every, they essentially have what most of the rest of us don't have anymore, which is time and an internal sense of wonder, right?
(23:09):
Everything.
It's just, everything is exciting.
That's the, it's interesting because I always like, I think the idea of time is the thing that none of us have anymore.
The, and I think kids don't, well, in many, for a lot of kids, kids don't have the time that we used.
Oh no, they are.
Everything is, it's this appointment, this rush to this.
(23:31):
Then we go to the, it's calendar based.
It is so different than me as a child, just in summertime, just sitting on my bed, listening to somebody mow their lawn in the neighborhood and just being, I mean, that's what it was like.
I just remember when I think back to my being a young kid, that's what it is.
(23:56):
It was literally just how to manage the kind of deafening boredom of childhood.
Like you had to be like, there was not this constant, there were no play dates, there were no schedules, there was no count.
There was nobody driving you around anywhere.
It was like your world was as far as you could get away on your bike and, and your, and your friends and whatever you could get to.
(24:22):
It was a lot more in between moments because you were doing things.
But if you stop for a moment and think, okay, I'm not about to check this notification, this notification.
Are there any updates on this app that I use?
Okay.
How about this app?
You
know, whatever your top five apps that you open and you know, spend minutes or hours scrolling
(24:46):
through without that, you were left with, like you said, the unstructured time and it is, it's,
it's, it was different in, in how we approached childhood because that's the, a lot of the,
some of the other stuff I've, I've been reading is like, it's why kids can't, I think a lot of
(25:08):
kids now can't cope with, because they, they're continually, they haven't had to adjust to
not being kind of not constantly being stimulated.
And I also like just the imagination piece of that's what you did when you were a kid and you were bored as you, it was, it was this space for you to, you know, to imagine and, and experiment and do sometimes dangerous things as a slightly older kid.
(25:40):
But yeah, it is, it is.
It's interesting to think about the differences now.
So thinking about just in general now, you know, and this, you know, the point where, what grade is he's in third grade, he's in third grade.
So he's kind of got a few years.
And so at this point in this version of fatherhood where you're at right now, what's your favorite part?
(26:04):
The favorite part about being a dad right now is definitely at third grade.
He's that age that I was looking forward to.
I think the most, when you're, when you're thinking about being a dad, a lot of times, especially if you don't have prior experience, like the thought of the baby and before they can talk.
(26:27):
And before you're really, uh, you have stuff in common and stuff.
It's tough to necessarily get excited about that.
But the, the one part you just know, you're really pumped about is when you get to the part where they have interests and hobbies and personality and, and a sense of humor and all of these things where you are essentially reminded of your own childhood.
(26:48):
We all have memories of, of what it was like to be a kid.
And for me, I was obsessed with childhood.
I loved being a kid and just going on adventures and having fun and, and having hobbies and having friends.
And it's just, it, it truly is to at least to my memory, a magical time.
(27:13):
Sure.
And by having a kid who's kind of aging into that, I'm getting to be able to like secondhand to live through that.
And it's so exciting getting to see him start to formulate the, you know, like what's his favorite this and kind of getting to see him grow into that and figure out who he's going to be.
(27:36):
Yeah.
I think there's something just intangibly magical about it.
And it's the part, the part that I did
know, you know, well, obviously I didn't know if I was ever going to have kids, but the fact that
I think the part that I was most excited about was there's, there's something cool about the middle
(27:57):
of elementary school where they start doing art projects and getting into this and, and just all
the stuff that you're like, oh man, this is the, this is the good stuff, the fun stuff.
Right.
That's neat.
Welcome back.
And we hope you enjoyed part two of our interview with John Taylor.
I love, John has a great voice.
Yeah.
I just, I've heard from more than one listener viewer that they're like, yeah, he has a great voice.
(28:22):
He's very, he's a good story.
So we've had very good.
I did enjoy it.
I really do enjoy watching this and hopefully there's more.
I think he listens to a lot of podcasts.
He knows what he's doing, but he listens to like the long form.
Like he's, he told me about, there's a video gaming podcast, but it's like a four hour podcast.
(28:43):
That's an investment.
Uh, that, that's a lot.
Although I have to say too, when it comes to long form and I should, we are going to do, and I was wrong this time because there, we haven't been told that we were wrong about anything throughout the holidays and all that went through.
They might be like, you know what, I'm not going to tell them that we're going to give them, we're going to give them a break.
(29:04):
But I will say that I may have overstated my brother's lack of interest in the, I think he's trying, you know, you can't, well, I did say Mike do better and he's doing better.
I think he is.
I think he's doing better.
And I had mentioned the 26 hours that he spent listening to the book about Anthony, Anthony Fauci, but his, his, his review of that book was compelling enough.
(29:30):
And it is related, although tangentially to the baby, because it talks about vaccines.
Some of it is about vaccines.
So I thought, okay, I'm going to listen.
Cause he really, he, he thought it was, and I I'm about halfway, barely halfway through it, listening to it at one and a half times speed.
It's still like 18 hours, but I've got it on in the background.
(29:50):
I'm listening to it.
And it is, it's a great everybody.
It's, it's a book by Robert F.
Kennedy jr.
About the re it's called the real Anthony Fauci.
And it is, it is a, it's a great book.
That's not what your brother's reading or is that's what he, that's what he was listening to.
And I'm now I'm list.
Cause he said it was so good and that I should, and because of all the choices that we're going to have to make in the very, in the very near future regarding, cause there's like, I think it's there's 69 vaccines that happened for a child in their first year or two years.
(30:26):
And it was never like that.
And they taught, they haven't really gotten that deep into it.
What mostly the book has been focusing on up till now is COVID and how that was all managed.
And, and it's, it's really, it's kind of bad.
It's really bad.
You take it for granted when I guess I know we did, you just listen to the doctors and go, okay, now we're going to do this vaccine.
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That makes it, and you go, Oh, okay.
Um, and you do have to, you know, not saying it's bad, good, different.
You just have to investigate what you're putting into your child and yourselves.
And if it works out, it works out for you.
If not, you know, you don't want that.
Hopefully you have enough information to make that decision.
People were so, when you think back to that time, people were so just frightened.
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They were so frightened.
They would have done and wanted to be safe from whatever you were giving us and telling us, just save us.
Just keep us safe.
Tell us what we need to do.
And there was so much guilt applied to people that even if you were one of those people, as I was, I did not like the idea of the vaccine.
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I didn't like it.
And the fact is there was such a level of shame imposed on people that if you were one of those people, you don't care about other people.
Right.
Right.
There was, there was a lot of that.
Instead of saying, Oh my God, we don't know enough about this.
Right.
Or just letting people live their life.
And your decision is your decision.
Yeah.
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There was, and it became so politicized.
It was all, it was very, it was tough time.
But it was, and now I think hopefully what scared me in the initial aftermath, when things got better, it was like, everybody just wanted to move on.
But that is something that the way it happened could so easily happen again.
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And that's why I think the book is important to really understand some of the stuff that went on with the news and studies and how it was presented.
It's really, it's worthwhile.
What I, what I found out, not found out as I got older, you realize, you know, you're wiser.
Hopefully when we were younger and back in the day, you believed what you were told, right?
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The news was the news.
It wasn't one-sided.
It was just the news.
We thought it could have been, but it didn't feel that way.
It felt like here's the news.
I'm going to tell you what happens, not what you had to think about.
And I believe as we're still, that generation is still on this earth.
We're still programmed like that.
Believe what we just heard.
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Well, and with doctors, I think that shifted my parents' generation, your parents' generation, whatever a doctor said was like you, it was God talked.
It was like, okay, it was go to church and go to your doctor.
Yeah, that was it.
You don't argue with, you don't argue with your pastor.
You don't argue with your doctor.
And now that sadly, I think, and that's one of the things in the book that they talk about is that there were so many doctors that were like, wait a minute, I'm doing this with patients and it's working.
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And they just got shut down, not listened to.
But yeah, it's interesting.
So when you come, when it bring it back to the podcast, when it comes to your child, you obviously want to do everything that you think the doctors and nurses and all these people, professionals are going, oh yeah, this is what we do.
And this is what we've done.
And this is what it's always going to do and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And, and that's when you have to say, stop, let, this is my child, right?
This is our, let me look into this.
And most of the time it might be correct.
Obviously, you know, 75%, 99% or whatever.
I don't know what percentage it is.
You're going to do what they say.
And that's, but when you have a, when you, when you're thinking, oh, wait a minute, that doesn't, do we really need to, should we do that way?
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Or, you know, you shouldn't be hated for that thought.
This is, this is one of the places where I do think there probably will be conflict between me and Kelly because Kelly has a lot of members of her family or medical professionals.
Her tendency will be to do exactly what the doctors are recommending.
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Right.
And I understand that she's, I'd say it all the time.
She's a brilliant woman.
And so it'll be difficult.
Like I need to read more books so I can even be educated too.
When you say no, if I'm going to push back when you say no, you want to be able to point at something substantive.
So yeah, it's a scary thing because you got to make these decisions.
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And that's one of the other things in the book that they talk about because there are doctors right out there, pediatricians that if you don't take all, you don't take it, all of it, you, they won't, they won't go in there.
You won't treat you.
And then you find out.
And one of the things they talk about in the book, the reason doctors do that, it's not that they have this passionate belief in some of these many untested things.
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What it is is that the, they are bonused by the pharmaceutical companies on having 100% of their population there on those, on, on those regimens.
And if they lose one, their bonus goes down.
And that, those are the things that make my hair on the back.
And this applies to everything.
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Follow the money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything.
Entertainment, you know, religion, whatever you put in there, follow that money.
Where's what?
And you'll find out.
Oh, okay.
I see where this is.
It's not because they're passionate.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Which is, which is sad.
So, so Mike, thank you for having a good tip.
So, and thank you for a good discussion here.
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Thank you for listening.
Get a little good press.
So we've been roughly, we've we've been a little unfair.
The streets are calling his name, but I gotta say Mike, but but my sisters, I have to give them props.
They're right there.
Every episode.
So I just, I just spoke to one of your sisters recently and she's like, I just love what you and Frankie are doing.
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And I'm like, thank you.
We love it too.
Yeah.
So that was our, uh, we just did our wrap up from John Taylor.
And that brings us into what just happened.
Not a whole lot of crazy stuff, but we've got some stuff.
So, um, last time we talked about Kelly took and we had our appointment, we had our scan, everything was good.
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She went and had another test, kind of the final scan, the fetal echocardiogram all good.
But the glucose test that she took, the results came back and not good.
So she did the, she drank the syrupy stuff.
They took the blood.
And when we went to that last appointment and came back high.
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So then what she had to do is go back and they do a more detailed test.
So this one, she had to go in, she couldn't have anything, but like a little protein in the morning, she had to go in for her appointment.
And then she was there for, I think, three hours and they tested multiple times while she, I guess, drank more of that stuff, but they took more detailed.
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So, cause they want to see not only what the numbers are, but how they change right from, from a fasted state to having some sugar.
Sure.
And so that was difficult.
They did that a couple of days later, they, we get the results and she failed that test again.
So could you remind us again what this test is showing?
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So this is the glucose test is basically for a gestational diabetes.
So gotcha.
The gestational diabetes, basically, I think for most people, it just, when that happens, it makes the baby get big, the baby gets fat, right?
So the size of the, but it also has an impact on how, how far to term you get because of the size of the baby, how difficult birth is.
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So there's all kinds of reasons why they want to control that.
So the way that, so she got the recommendations now.
And initially I really thought I am, I'm one of the, this is one of the, one of those areas where my lovely wife and I differ.
And that is, I do believe in, I think more so than she does the power of believing something is going to go a certain way, right?
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I think like if you believe you're going to take a blood test and you're going to, if you're going to fail it, you're going to fail it, right?
Your thoughts are going to, your mind is very powerful.
I, I, I do.
I, I really believe that you're on that side of the street and she's much more on the very scientific side of the street.
Like, no, that's not how this works.
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So which even when she took the second test, cause I'm looking at her, she doesn't, I see what she eats.
She's not, she certainly is not, you know, diabetic or pre-diabetic normal.
And she doesn't, she's not eating a bunch of sweets.
She's not even eating a whole lot of carbs.
She's eating fairly healthfully.
So I don't, I'm thinking this is nonsense.
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So I'm like, again, I'm like, don't worry about it.
So basically they put her on this protocol of she now has to get one of those glucose monitors and she's got to do a finger prick like in the morning when she gets up and then two hours after she eats throughout the day and she's making notes of the numbers.
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So the first day she gets the thing and they give you the little machine, you know, a little strip and then you have to do that, right?
So she's trying to set up the little pricker thing.
So of course, and there's another difference with me, I would be like, set it for the deepest thing and make sure it works.
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And then back on, she's trying it over and over again, not getting any blood.
She's squeezing her.
I'm like, oh, so it's like torture.
It took her for a while.
She gets it tests numbers.
She's selling it.
The numbers are low.
The numbers are good.
And I, I, I am remiss.
I apologize to our listeners and viewers.
I don't know what the numbers are supposed to be.
(40:27):
I just know she's telling me, oh yeah, her numbers like in the morning, we're like, I think in the low nineties.
Yeah.
And I say this cause my parents do that.
So that's why I said, I know that they're always doing it, but I think it's a different set of numbers that they're looking at for a, for her, but regardless, she's doing it.
And every, every time she's testing, the numbers are under what she was expecting.
(40:50):
And I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, why?
Because you decided my mind said, so I'm like, you're not, I'm like, this is not a thing.
So she's, she's going through and been doing it.
And at some point she's, she'll, she will have an appointment and they will review that data and come up with plans and show that I'm not, that's I take the blood out.
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Yeah.
When you go to take you, not your, no, not yours.
Take that machine.
You're, you're doing at home with the low numbers and bring that over there.
And she's, she's noticed she's, she's makes a note of everything and she's got to give it.
She's got to basically give them all that data.
So we'll see how, how it goes.
But that's where we are for now with the possible, I'm, I'm still not a believer, but possible gestational diabetes.
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And there's not been one reading that's been high.
No, not higher than she would expect because she was, she's been basically like, well, if it's this low, I'll have a little bit more.
Like she's having more carbs.
She's not a sweets person, right?
Even though he's all over the place because of the holiday, they're everywhere.
Yeah.
There was, there's a lot still.
(41:58):
So yes, they are still there, but she, so yeah.
So she's, I think, I think she's eating healthfully.
Hopefully it's going to go the right way.
Yeah.
I would never look at Kelly and go, wow, she's got to control that.
No, she's, she's been, she's, but it could be just because of the pregnancy and everything gets good.
It has nothing to do with that.
That is a food and all that good stuff.
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It could, it could be completely that.
I know her mother with one, I think with Kelly's mom had a gestational diabetes with her younger brother.
Okay.
So it could be a family.
This is not common, but this happens a lot.
Yeah.
A lot of women, a lot.
So I think, yeah, it's very, very common.
And you know, I, I think you deal with it.
I mean, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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I think it's like now they have such an understanding of all this stuff.
They want everything in these very narrow tolerances when it comes to, you know, they keep it up on something that they can manipulate and control.
Why not do it?
Yeah.
As we're talking about this, I'm just thinking about next week's, you were wrong and how many things we just talked about.
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Yep.
That's going to be there.
This whole medical thing.
I can almost guarantee it in the last couple of seconds.
Anytime I talk about anything where I'm like, Oh no, it's not nothing to worry about.
I can't, I can't wait for that one to go.
Oh, you silly men.
You have that look to look forward to.
Yeah.
It's going to be, I'm sure.
Absolutely.
So, so there was that, there's that stuff.
(43:25):
We'll find out more next week.
I started, we're now at the point where I think this is adorable.
It started with one of Kelly's cousins.
I get a text message and it's like, Hey, I've got this play mat.
I wasn't sure if you'd be interested.
And I immediately, I'm like, you know what?
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I was just telling Kelly that my play mat's worn out and I need a new one.
I'm like, come on, send it on.
So we're starting so they show gathering things that people are like ready to start giving us stuff.
So we had a holiday party and, and a bunch of family comes.
It's always nice.
And the, of course they show up with the play mat and all kind of like there's two boxes of stuff.
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It's very nice.
And I think it's funny because you can see they're happy to do it because it's obviously they're being helpful and, and we're, we're grateful to get it.
And there's also, I think a little bit of, thank God I got this out of the way.
It's awesome.
I'm like, I'm happy to do it.
It's not in my house anymore.
(44:33):
I'm already thinking like, wow, like we got a lot of room.
That's absolutely.
And they probably, they're like, I knew it.
Oh, it's out.
Someone needs it.
No, it was, it's a double whammy for them.
Yeah.
They're happy to do it for you and they're happy to do it for them.
Yeah.
So I think that was a, and it was fun.
(44:53):
Obviously it was fun to see everybody for that stuff, but yeah, so that's it.
So a lot of still a lot of stuff, a lot of more, a lot more gifts from the registry up.
We have upcoming in a couple of weeks, it'll be a Kelly's baby shower.
So that's coming up.
And then there's going to be one where her family is in Buffalo and then there'll be one here.
(45:15):
Okay.
So we've got those both coming up in the next few weeks.
But that's going to be interesting.
Do you have a section of the house yet for all the gifts that are going to go in like the garage or cause you're going to have a lot of stuff.
I think what I'm thinking about is in our basement, just starting to identify an area that will be where all that stuff, because right now our tree is still up and it's all like there and it's, it's getting out of control.
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That was another thing that was also very nice from those same cousins.
And it made me remember something strange that I did as a kid, but they got already a tricycle of a radio flyer.
You can put that next to your sister-in-law's bench, the Barker lounger.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
We got that, but adorable, adorable little thing.
And I don't know, but it made me think of this.
I don't know why I did this as a kid and maybe other kids that did it, or maybe it's just a unique to my weird childhood.
For some reason, when I was a kid, I would take my tricycle, I would flip it over.
Okay.
So the seat and the handlebars were on the ground and then you could grab the pedal on the wheel and I would crank the pedal.
(46:31):
Okay.
And in my head, I was making ice cream.
Why?
Why?
I don't know why.
This is your problem.
This is, yeah.
He said, if it was a child, it's not like they didn't have ice cream.
I was making ice cream.
Most kids would die for a bike.
(46:52):
For a tricycle.
Give me a tricycle.
You go, I need that tricycle because I want to make ice cream.
Yeah.
I wanted to make it.
That's what I did with my tricycle.
I didn't make an ice cream.
Where you're like, did you have like anything other than like you're, you're running a business?
I don't know.
You were gonna make ice cream for the kids.
No.
You're just happy enough just to make it.
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I don't know.
Like part of me, part of me, as I think about this and I'm trying desperately to figure out why I would do that.
Oh, that's so good.
So our driveway was not, we didn't have a paved.
We had rocks.
We had run across because my dad, the, my dad, as we have discussed was a distributor for stalled door cookies.
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So we would have a tractor trailer show up and there was a warehouse.
We had a, he had a like a 1300 square foot warehouse with a full bay door in the backyard, which was strange because we lived in a neighborhood, but there it is.
So that was it.
So we would have a tractor trailer show up once a week with commercial commercial things going through the residential.
(47:56):
Our home was zoned commercial.
That's why you got away with it.
Yeah, that was it.
So, but yeah, it was a great, it was a run across.
You had to for the tractor trailer.
So that was, that was it.
So it wasn't like I was riding around on a tricycle in that go over the place.
Sounds a lot better than what you would have also made it very hard to learn how to ride a bike.
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All the other kids are had a nice paper doing.
Yeah.
I'm falling down and then turning it over.
I'll just make ice cream guys.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's, that's funny because not to get personal, but you've kind of run an ice cream.
I have, you have run an ice cream shop.
So everything comes, you know how you said your mind makes things happen.
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So that moment when you think I constantly, my first job, a fit will know I worked, I did work at friendlies.
I mean it wasn't my first, I had my paper, I had my paper route and then I worked at Williams making pizza.
It's all about food and pizza.
And then I worked at friendlies and then I recently owned kind of like a, a sweet frog knockoff, absolutely.
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Which I have now closed and got, but it's funny that I just remembered it.
Yeah.
That's truly ice cream.
I mean, it was, it was only because of the love of ice cream since a kid.
It was only because of friendlies that I met you.
Yes.
That was it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause she did.
Yeah.
Cause I met, I met my first girlfriend, Laura Pantello, whose brother is an avid listener.
(49:29):
Yes.
Dear friend of ours.
Yes.
Phil, Phil Pantello, brilliant, brilliant woodworker in Montana.
Uh, Pantello furniture concepts.
Look them up.
Yeah.
That was our first sponsor.
Phil sent us the check.
Yeah.
I'd like a high chair.
He went quarter sawn.
(49:50):
Please.
He wants a tricycle.
He can turn around and make some ice cream with that has to be the next thumbnail ice cream coming out of a tricycle.
I don't know why.
Oh, that's good.
There's more.
There's more.
I have another example of a weird thing I did as a kid now that has come out the next episode.
I love when you do these.
I can just, I'm always just picturing a little pudgy.
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Frank, that is just the best.
Just what are you doing?
I'm making ice cream.
I just think of selfishly.
I think of my wife listening to this.
And then when you say these things, you just start to burst because she has no idea you're going to say what you just said.
So I love, I love that.
This is all for you, Trina.
This whole podcast is for our wives.
Even if it was true, it would be worth it.
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But it's funny.
So anyway, thank you once again for making it all the way to the end.
And I'm sure we will have more sad stories from my childhood to talk about.
You know what, Frank, let's go get some ice cream.
Okay.
This is good.
I never get ice cream after the show.
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Let's take our bikes there.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Okay.
Thanks very much.
Well, folks, that's another episode of the gray hair and daycare podcast in the books.
Thanks very much for tuning in and spending this time with us.
We hope it was fun.
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And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to bed.
For some reason when I was a kid, I would take my tricycle.
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Mm-hmm.
I would flip it over Okay, so the seat and the handlebars were on the ground and then you could grab The the pedal on the wheel and I would crank the pedal.
Okay, and in my head I was making ice cream Why I Don't know why This is yeah, he's a child.
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It's not like there didn't have ice cream.
I was making ice cream.
Most kids would die For a bike for a tricycle.
Give me a tricycle.
You go.
I need that tricycles.
I want to make ice cream Yeah, I wanted my that's hilarious.
That's what I did with my tricycle making like an ice cream where you're like Did you have like anything other than like you're you're running a business?
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I don't know Like part of me part of me as I think about this and I'm trying desperately to figure out why I would do that That's so good.
So our driving way
Was not we didn't have a paved
rocks we had
Run a crush because my dad the my dad as we have discussed was a distributor for stout or cookies
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So we would have a tractor-trailer show up and there was a warehouse
We had a he had a like a 1300 square foot warehouse with a full bay door gotcha in the backyard
Which was strange because we lived in a neighborhood
But there it is
So that was that so we would have a tractor-trailer show up once a week with like commercial commercial things go through the residential
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Our home was zoned commercial
This is the gray hair and daycare podcast with a combined age of 111 years and a combined IQ right in that same range
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your hosts
Frank serio and Carlo Russo
Welcome back.
It's a whole new year.
Haha.
See see I'm a little bit tipsy season 2 baby.
I'm worried about how it works because we said that in the last episode and I'm like is it going to get screwed up if I start putting season 2 now?
Are things going to be out of order on Apple?
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I don't know how it works.
We're back to season 1 guys.
This might be season 1.
Let's stop talking about seasons.
I like the sound of season 2.
But anyway, welcome back to what may be the first episode of season 2 or just episode 11.
But either way, as always, I am Frank Cereo.
I am 55 years old.
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And my wife is 28 weeks pregnant.
It just keeps going by and by.
And as we often do, always do, we have the weekly produce update.
The produce update is today we are up to a butternut squash size.
(03:09):
Her head is getting bigger.
Basically that's the big news of this week.
Butternut squash and her head is getting bigger to accommodate the huge brain.
Very nice.
Because with my wife contributing to the, it's going to be.
The baby's going to be all brains.
I'm already terrified that at four years old she's going to be asking me life questions that I'm unprepared to answer.
(03:34):
Oh they will.
It'll happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so that's it.
Butternut squash.
We're in week 28 and here we are back again.
That's awesome.
Butternut squash and a big old head, a big, big old head.
I love it.
And Kelly has on occasion mentioned her concern because I have a big noggin, right?
(03:57):
So I'm like, when you, when you, for those who are familiar with hat sizing.
So I'm like, uh, I think it's a seven and seven eights.
Like I'm a big, you said it's big.
Yeah.
Like I can't, you can't, I can't buy a hat like at target.
Like they're all like, they look like a party hat on me.
So she's like, I hope she's, she said a couple of times, I hope she doesn't have, yeah, we need, we need to have Kelly's head.
(04:23):
That's all right though.
For a little girl, Josie, you know, big noggin.
It's like a, some kind of a, a baddie in a Marvel film.
I'm going to say you have no worries because your sisters look great and on Kelly's side, they're good.
So you're, you're good.
I'm thinking, yeah, I think it's not going to be a bobblehead.
(04:49):
Bye bye baby.
Yeah.
Cause there are, there have been times, there's certain children that I've seen friends, not a family member where it's like, what happened on the way out?
Like the head, the head is, yes.
And that's a thing like now that I think has also become common.
I don't know if you're familiar with this, but they make like preventative helmets.
(05:12):
It's like a mold for the baby's head that they wear all the time to make the, have a pleasing head shape.
Yes.
Because when babies are young and they're sleeping, that will, that will shape their head spot.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they'll put that little, uh, right.
You got to roll them around like a meatball.
You don't want that.
You got to make sure they're, so they put that, they'll put that helmet on them and they can roll around in bed and not worry about it.
(05:35):
And they'll thank you later.
But I'm disturbed by a society where the child has a helmet to sleep.
Why?
Why is that?
We didn't have any of that.
That's why we have flat heads.
That's right.
I can use that to sand the back of my head.
So yeah, but yeah, that there's a, there's all that stuff people have to worry about.
(05:57):
Let's how does the, you know, if you're lucky enough to have hair, that's right.
Uh, you're not worried about your, your, but it's those, uh, those gentlemen and some ladies that lose their, their hair and they have to have a good noggin.
Yeah.
They have to have a good looking head.
Yep.
That, that is important.
I guess Josie's going to have a beautiful head and beautiful long hair.
(06:17):
It's going to be great.
Little Josie.
I have, I have every confidence that that will be the case.
Absolutely.
So the first thing up for this episode will be as often is case the silver Fox.
Oh, I love that.
So this, we got another very, very nice email from one of our fans, Becky.
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Awesome.
And it was about, we have talked about on multiple occasions, my fears regarding the child birthing process and my hopes that I, if there was a cesarean that I would not be involved.
Right.
She of course, as wanted to disabuse me of that notion.
And we've already kind of talked about a little, but what I thought was interesting was she said that you don't worry, there will be a, you'll be there, but there will be a screen.
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And that makes me feel better.
And it's a good, nice size screen.
What she said was that her husband, Jeff had to sign a piece of paper with this, this actually was very reassuring for me that he would not peak.
I'm not sure why, what she said that she was pretty sure that before that, like the doctor had a talk and was like, don't come over the screen.
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You'd not want to see what we're doing.
You don't want to see the mystery.
Do you keep it that way?
Maybe it's like, I don't know, like they're picturing somebody like snacking on a breadstick and it's going to like reds peeking over.
I don't know.
But yeah, she said that he had to sign.
He had to sue him.
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It's like a release for like a zip line.
That is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
Yeah.
But she, this is from, from Becky.
You're going to be like, you don't have to worry about me citing anything.
I'm not looking.
I'll let you tattoo it on me.
I won't even be in the room if you want.
Knock me out.
Don't, don't worry about it with me.
(08:12):
That's fine.
So that was, but it was very nice to get the email.
Yeah.
The other thing I thought was a good one from, it was, this actually came from our name, the baby winner.
Okay.
Marie, we got to get that T-shirt.
This is a great, this is a great recommendation.
Um, we had talked about at some, some point in the past car seats and preparing and things like that.
(08:32):
And she recommended, and I've looked at it since, and this is a great resource.
There is an Instagram account called all one word, no dots or spaces safe in the seat, safe in the seat.
It has all kinds of information on good car seats, how they, how they, how to choose one, how it connects.
(08:53):
Yeah.
Great, great recommendation.
So it's on Instagram safe in the seat, safe in the seat covers a whole bunch of information that is valuable.
So a great tip from Marie and a very nice email from Becky.
Our very next segment is another installment of the database.
(09:19):
And we're going to be returning to our conversation with, uh, with our friend, John Taylor.
So this will be part two of his interview and we hope you enjoyed part one.
And here's a little bit more of the dulcet tones of John Taylor, ladies and gentlemen.
You know, it's, it's going okay, but it's, it's five days and I, you know, I'm, I'm his mom stays in the hospital the whole time and I, and I'm spending kind of every night there.
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And then, you know, every night gets a little bit better, you know, night one, I'm, I'm on just a chair and then night two, I think I'm on two chairs pushed together.
And by like the fourth night, I actually got, uh, like some kind of cot, but we, um, you know, we, we get them out of there and it was just, it was a very, very scary thing.
(10:14):
But to go to your, back to your question about like teaching a child day and night, they don't know what that is.
So you have to, you kind of have to teach them like, okay, it's nighttime.
This is when we go to bed.
Cause if you don't, if you don't spend that time, if you don't put that effort in, they may sleep in the day and just say, Hey, let's be up all night.
(10:36):
And that be, you know, depending on your lifestyle, and you know, it's tough because in the beginning babies are eating every 90 minutes or so.
So really the way we got through it was we took shifts.
It was, you know, we, you're trying to look as an, as a modern society and many people are working, the struggle is how do you get some sleep and raise your baby, but also maintain, you know, your, your livelihood.
(11:13):
So, you know, we would take shifts where I would stay up with, like, we would try to get the baby down by seven, eight or nine generally in the early days.
It's, it's easy.
You get them down at like seven, um, as they get older, it gets more difficult, but, and I would stay up with the baby until I think around 2.00 AM.
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So she would be in the, in the bedroom.
It's like, no matter what you hear, just stay asleep, get your five hours.
You were on duty until about 2.00 AM.
And then she would come out and take over at two.
And I would sleep until about two to seven.
And then I would get up for work.
So essentially what we were able to give each other was five uninterrupted hours of sleep.
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And, and if during your five hours, the interesting thing about a baby is they do love to sleep.
So I'm out on the couch and rocking the baby, changing the baby's diaper, feeding the baby, but then the baby's going to lay down for 90 minutes and you kind of start to learn, Hey, maybe I can get 60 minutes in here or 90 minutes in here.
(12:21):
So you're getting the, um, the cat naps, you get a little cat nap.
So it's not like, it's not like I'm just getting the five hours of sleep.
Right.
Um, but you do get very good.
My mom used to say to me that cliche, Oh, you sleep when the baby sleeps.
And I used to hate that saying until I realized, okay, it's a saying for a reason.
(12:42):
Yeah.
Thinking you're going to, we were just talking about this, that thinking you're going to get anything done when the baby's sleeping is like a recipe for disaster.
Like at that point, you have to get the sleep when you do.
Um, it's, it's, it's very interesting.
You start to learn, it's, it's unexpected ways that you learn to get things done when the baby starts aging up into where they're in that little round, uh, you know, kind of almost play pen device that they can bounce in, but they can't really go anywhere.
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You can suddenly realize, Oh, I can go put the, the wall, you know, the laundry in a, which, you know, non sequitur, but my God, the amount of laundry you do when you have a baby is insane.
The beautiful part is it's all so tiny that they're actually not very big loads.
You're just, you're washing so many bibs and so many onesies.
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See, that's currently, that is my thing.
Like I do the laundry.
So if I recommend anything to explode 30 bibs, like you cannot have too many bibs.
You don't want to run out.
So got it.
That's awesome.
So that, you know, the initial kind of survival mode of what you were, you know, what you're going through early on is really just, you know, kind of the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being a dad.
(14:06):
So what do you, what do you think are, what do you think are the most important things you've learned now?
Jacob is eight.
So you've got eight years under your belt that, so that's like, you know, two undergrad degrees.
What, what, what do you think are the most important things you've learned about being a dad?
The most important things for me definitely have been how quickly everything goes and how temporary it is and just how much it really forces you to reprioritize what's important to you.
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And, and sometimes it's, it's the smallest things in the world, just as a little 10 second interaction or five minute interaction with your kid that you're like, this is the greatest thing that's happened to me in the past 10 years.
Right.
And what is one of the, like, is there a recent example of a moment like that?
(15:06):
Yeah, for sure.
So I had this little bike for my son.
And one, one important lesson to give you about a kid is if they're not into something, sometimes you really gotta be ready to just accept that you cannot make it happen.
If they're not interested, they're into it.
If they're not, there's not a lot.
(15:27):
And some people I'm sure get luckier than others where, you know, if you're into something, your kid will get into it too.
But I had this bike and my son just had no interest, no interest, no interest, no interest.
And then I can't, I cannot even explain why, but one day recently he, he kind of drags it out and he's like trying to kind of ride it in the house.
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And I'm like, hell, this isn't not going to be super helpful.
I'm like, why don't we take it outside?
And he is game.
So we take it outside and it's, this is sort of the end of like end of summer, early fall.
So it's, it's not quite, it's,
it's probably when we're getting dark around seven, eight o'clock and we're out there and I,
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he's, you know, he's on it and we're, we're kind of pushing him down the, down the road
and I'm there and I've got my hand on his back and he, you know, we're talking and giving him
the push and then he's starting to do the peddling and it's, it's still, you know,
it's got the training wheels, but he's they're, they're kind of raised up a little.
(16:38):
So there's definitely tilt and he is riding and I'm, you know, I've got, I, I've got my camera out and he's basically, he's like, you know, you can take your hand off my back and I kind of take my hand off and I can see my shadow cause it's at night and he's riding and he looks up at me and it's in that moment where he's like, where he's like, I'm doing it.
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And I just realized I'm living the moment that I've waited for that, that bonding moment where it's like, I'm going to remember, I'm, I'm certainly going to remember this for the rest of my life.
And he may or he may not.
I have very fond memory.
You know, my dad was, he was big into bedtime stories with me and I, they're my most cherished memories.
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The way he would tell pretty interesting.
I wonder if that's where your love of narrative and movies.
I absolutely think that is.
I, I, because I spent my whole childhood and most of my adult life kind of browbeating myself being like, I'll be 10% of what my dad was.
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And not in a negative way, but in a, in a cherished, like that's how important those memories are to me.
So, because I feel that way, it is possible.
Other people might feel that way up, up to and including my own child.
So it's, you, you gotta wonder sometimes what moments you're sharing with another human being that might end up being impactful.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that, I mean, that's how the, the, the moment of, uh, you know, with him learning to ride the bike and yeah, I can kind of picture it.
It's a very cinematic moment, the way you described it.
Oh, I, I was, cause I mean, I have goosebumps just retelling the story because I, I didn't, it all happened so quickly.
I, I didn't have time to prepare like, oh, we're going to, we're going to start practicing on the bike.
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It just could be, it was just kind of, it just happened.
He was interested for a moment and I was like, okay, let's do this.
Let's get the bike out there.
Let's kind of strike while he's interested.
Cause I, I wasn't anticipating that it was going to happen, but I knew I didn't want to miss the opportunity.
I wanted to stoke that coal and then to see your kid's face light up about anything.
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I mean, you can have, you can have the worst, worst day, uh, you know, life just kicking you, just being an asshole.
Yeah.
Your, your boss is just on your case about some lesson.
And then you get home and this kid just is going to change your world.
(19:23):
That's awesome.
So you mentioned it as part of that experience, are there favorite ways like that you actively try to have to build that bond with your son?
Like, do you, do you think is there, is there, is there a conscious effort to do that or just kind of taking opportunities like that where they present themselves or what do you think?
(19:43):
Yeah.
I mean, it's a little of both.
So it, it is, it is humbling, you know, especially as your, as your kid starts to age up, it's tough.
And again, I think this is might be cliche when you're, when your kid is very, very little as a baby, there's the interactions are mostly functional.
(20:04):
It's, it is a lot of love.
Like I have fond memories of just being exhausted and falling asleep on the couch with my kid on my chest.
And like, those are great moments.
And I think the early days you're so busy with so much that the memories you're making are just like a physical, they're just like the physical interactions, the quiet moments.
(20:29):
And it's when your kid starts moving and starts talking.
And then when they, I mean, you will remember the moments where you actually see the personality start to show and you're like, Oh, I remember my son.
One of the first times when he was like, he started using expressions or sayings.
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And I was like, when did you start having expressions versus just functional dialogue and, and, and things like that.
So you kind of tried to, you try to make moments, like, obviously I'm really big into music.
I try to expose my son to as much music as I can.
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And, you know, you gotta be ready for the fact that they have zero interest in things, but then you'll start to see it echo back at you in ways that you might not expect where they might show an interest.
And it's possibly because they are remembering more than you think.
(21:32):
And even if they don't show it in the moment, they are retaining like, Oh, I always, I always listened to music with my dad, or I know my dad was into this.
So there's that.
And then just kind of spending time and finding out what they're into and trying to, you know, show interest.
Have there been those moments where all of a sudden outcomes, something that he's interested in, or he's asking questions about, and you have no idea where that came from, like where, where, how did you end up, how did you end up asking about those?
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What's interesting is sometimes they're learning about something in school and he'll come home and he'll, he'll just ask me to like quiz him on famous buildings in the world.
And I'm like, where is this coming from?
I don't have the syllabus.
And then, and then, so you start to, you start to see where things are happening, or he'll come home and he'll say he wants to go look up a bunch of random places on Google earth.
(22:36):
And you got to put up with him giggling himself silly because he looked up, you know, some funny sounding place in Chicago or whatever.
Gotcha.
You start to realize it's little kids are just really excited about everything they learn in school or everything they learn if they're in daycare, they come home and they're just every, they essentially have what most of the rest of us don't have anymore, which is time and an internal sense of wonder, right?
(23:09):
Everything.
It's just, everything is exciting.
That's the, it's interesting because I always like, I think the idea of time is the thing that none of us have anymore.
The, and I think kids don't, well, in many, for a lot of kids, kids don't have the time that we used.
Oh no, they are.
Everything is, it's this appointment, this rush to this.
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Then we go to the, it's calendar based.
It is so different than me as a child, just in summertime, just sitting on my bed, listening to somebody mow their lawn in the neighborhood and just being, I mean, that's what it was like.
I just remember when I think back to my being a young kid, that's what it is.
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It was literally just how to manage the kind of deafening boredom of childhood.
Like you had to be like, there was not this constant, there were no play dates, there were no schedules, there was no count.
There was nobody driving you around anywhere.
It was like your world was as far as you could get away on your bike and, and your, and your friends and whatever you could get to.
(24:22):
It was a lot more in between moments because you were doing things.
But if you stop for a moment and think, okay, I'm not about to check this notification, this notification.
Are there any updates on this app that I use?
Okay.
How about this app?
You
know, whatever your top five apps that you open and you know, spend minutes or hours scrolling
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through without that, you were left with, like you said, the unstructured time and it is, it's,
it's, it was different in, in how we approached childhood because that's the, a lot of the,
some of the other stuff I've, I've been reading is like, it's why kids can't, I think a lot of
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kids now can't cope with, because they, they're continually, they haven't had to adjust to
not being kind of not constantly being stimulated.
And I also like just the imagination piece of that's what you did when you were a kid and you were bored as you, it was, it was this space for you to, you know, to imagine and, and experiment and do sometimes dangerous things as a slightly older kid.
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But yeah, it is, it is.
It's interesting to think about the differences now.
So thinking about just in general now, you know, and this, you know, the point where, what grade is he's in third grade, he's in third grade.
So he's kind of got a few years.
And so at this point in this version of fatherhood where you're at right now, what's your favorite part?
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The favorite part about being a dad right now is definitely at third grade.
He's that age that I was looking forward to.
I think the most, when you're, when you're thinking about being a dad, a lot of times, especially if you don't have prior experience, like the thought of the baby and before they can talk.
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And before you're really, uh, you have stuff in common and stuff.
It's tough to necessarily get excited about that.
But the, the one part you just know, you're really pumped about is when you get to the part where they have interests and hobbies and personality and, and a sense of humor and all of these things where you are essentially reminded of your own childhood.
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We all have memories of, of what it was like to be a kid.
And for me, I was obsessed with childhood.
I loved being a kid and just going on adventures and having fun and, and having hobbies and having friends.
And it's just, it, it truly is to at least to my memory, a magical time.
(27:13):
Sure.
And by having a kid who's kind of aging into that, I'm getting to be able to like secondhand to live through that.
And it's so exciting getting to see him start to formulate the, you know, like what's his favorite this and kind of getting to see him grow into that and figure out who he's going to be.
(27:36):
Yeah.
I think there's something just intangibly magical about it.
And it's the part, the part that I did
know, you know, well, obviously I didn't know if I was ever going to have kids, but the fact that
I think the part that I was most excited about was there's, there's something cool about the middle
(27:57):
of elementary school where they start doing art projects and getting into this and, and just all
the stuff that you're like, oh man, this is the, this is the good stuff, the fun stuff.
Right.
That's neat.
Welcome back.
And we hope you enjoyed part two of our interview with John Taylor.
I love, John has a great voice.
Yeah.
I just, I've heard from more than one listener viewer that they're like, yeah, he has a great voice.
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He's very, he's a good story.
So we've had very good.
I did enjoy it.
I really do enjoy watching this and hopefully there's more.
I think he listens to a lot of podcasts.
He knows what he's doing, but he listens to like the long form.
Like he's, he told me about, there's a video gaming podcast, but it's like a four hour podcast.
(28:43):
That's an investment.
Uh, that, that's a lot.
Although I have to say too, when it comes to long form and I should, we are going to do, and I was wrong this time because there, we haven't been told that we were wrong about anything throughout the holidays and all that went through.
They might be like, you know what, I'm not going to tell them that we're going to give them, we're going to give them a break.
(29:04):
But I will say that I may have overstated my brother's lack of interest in the, I think he's trying, you know, you can't, well, I did say Mike do better and he's doing better.
I think he is.
I think he's doing better.
And I had mentioned the 26 hours that he spent listening to the book about Anthony, Anthony Fauci, but his, his, his review of that book was compelling enough.
(29:30):
And it is related, although tangentially to the baby, because it talks about vaccines.
Some of it is about vaccines.
So I thought, okay, I'm going to listen.
Cause he really, he, he thought it was, and I I'm about halfway, barely halfway through it, listening to it at one and a half times speed.
It's still like 18 hours, but I've got it on in the background.
(29:50):
I'm listening to it.
And it is, it's a great everybody.
It's, it's a book by Robert F.
Kennedy jr.
About the re it's called the real Anthony Fauci.
And it is, it is a, it's a great book.
That's not what your brother's reading or is that's what he, that's what he was listening to.
And I'm now I'm list.
Cause he said it was so good and that I should, and because of all the choices that we're going to have to make in the very, in the very near future regarding, cause there's like, I think it's there's 69 vaccines that happened for a child in their first year or two years.
(30:26):
And it was never like that.
And they taught, they haven't really gotten that deep into it.
What mostly the book has been focusing on up till now is COVID and how that was all managed.
And, and it's, it's really, it's kind of bad.
It's really bad.
You take it for granted when I guess I know we did, you just listen to the doctors and go, okay, now we're going to do this vaccine.
(30:47):
That makes it, and you go, Oh, okay.
Um, and you do have to, you know, not saying it's bad, good, different.
You just have to investigate what you're putting into your child and yourselves.
And if it works out, it works out for you.
If not, you know, you don't want that.
Hopefully you have enough information to make that decision.
People were so, when you think back to that time, people were so just frightened.
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They were so frightened.
They would have done and wanted to be safe from whatever you were giving us and telling us, just save us.
Just keep us safe.
Tell us what we need to do.
And there was so much guilt applied to people that even if you were one of those people, as I was, I did not like the idea of the vaccine.
(31:28):
I didn't like it.
And the fact is there was such a level of shame imposed on people that if you were one of those people, you don't care about other people.
Right.
Right.
There was, there was a lot of that.
Instead of saying, Oh my God, we don't know enough about this.
Right.
Or just letting people live their life.
And your decision is your decision.
Yeah.
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There was, and it became so politicized.
It was all, it was very, it was tough time.
But it was, and now I think hopefully what scared me in the initial aftermath, when things got better, it was like, everybody just wanted to move on.
But that is something that the way it happened could so easily happen again.
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And that's why I think the book is important to really understand some of the stuff that went on with the news and studies and how it was presented.
It's really, it's worthwhile.
What I, what I found out, not found out as I got older, you realize, you know, you're wiser.
Hopefully when we were younger and back in the day, you believed what you were told, right?
(32:29):
The news was the news.
It wasn't one-sided.
It was just the news.
We thought it could have been, but it didn't feel that way.
It felt like here's the news.
I'm going to tell you what happens, not what you had to think about.
And I believe as we're still, that generation is still on this earth.
We're still programmed like that.
Believe what we just heard.
(32:50):
Well, and with doctors, I think that shifted my parents' generation, your parents' generation, whatever a doctor said was like you, it was God talked.
It was like, okay, it was go to church and go to your doctor.
Yeah, that was it.
You don't argue with, you don't argue with your pastor.
You don't argue with your doctor.
And now that sadly, I think, and that's one of the things in the book that they talk about is that there were so many doctors that were like, wait a minute, I'm doing this with patients and it's working.
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And they just got shut down, not listened to.
But yeah, it's interesting.
So when you come, when it bring it back to the podcast, when it comes to your child, you obviously want to do everything that you think the doctors and nurses and all these people, professionals are going, oh yeah, this is what we do.
And this is what we've done.
And this is what it's always going to do and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And, and that's when you have to say, stop, let, this is my child, right?
This is our, let me look into this.
And most of the time it might be correct.
Obviously, you know, 75%, 99% or whatever.
I don't know what percentage it is.
You're going to do what they say.
And that's, but when you have a, when you, when you're thinking, oh, wait a minute, that doesn't, do we really need to, should we do that way?
(33:59):
Or, you know, you shouldn't be hated for that thought.
This is, this is one of the places where I do think there probably will be conflict between me and Kelly because Kelly has a lot of members of her family or medical professionals.
Her tendency will be to do exactly what the doctors are recommending.
(34:20):
Right.
And I understand that she's, I'd say it all the time.
She's a brilliant woman.
And so it'll be difficult.
Like I need to read more books so I can even be educated too.
When you say no, if I'm going to push back when you say no, you want to be able to point at something substantive.
So yeah, it's a scary thing because you got to make these decisions.
(34:41):
And that's one of the other things in the book that they talk about because there are doctors right out there, pediatricians that if you don't take all, you don't take it, all of it, you, they won't, they won't go in there.
You won't treat you.
And then you find out.
And one of the things they talk about in the book, the reason doctors do that, it's not that they have this passionate belief in some of these many untested things.
(35:05):
What it is is that the, they are bonused by the pharmaceutical companies on having 100% of their population there on those, on, on those regimens.
And if they lose one, their bonus goes down.
And that, those are the things that make my hair on the back.
And this applies to everything.
(35:28):
Follow the money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything.
Entertainment, you know, religion, whatever you put in there, follow that money.
Where's what?
And you'll find out.
Oh, okay.
I see where this is.
It's not because they're passionate.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Which is, which is sad.
So, so Mike, thank you for having a good tip.
So, and thank you for a good discussion here.
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Thank you for listening.
Get a little good press.
So we've been roughly, we've we've been a little unfair.
The streets are calling his name, but I gotta say Mike, but but my sisters, I have to give them props.
They're right there.
Every episode.
So I just, I just spoke to one of your sisters recently and she's like, I just love what you and Frankie are doing.
(36:12):
And I'm like, thank you.
We love it too.
Yeah.
So that was our, uh, we just did our wrap up from John Taylor.
And that brings us into what just happened.
Not a whole lot of crazy stuff, but we've got some stuff.
So, um, last time we talked about Kelly took and we had our appointment, we had our scan, everything was good.
(36:37):
She went and had another test, kind of the final scan, the fetal echocardiogram all good.
But the glucose test that she took, the results came back and not good.
So she did the, she drank the syrupy stuff.
They took the blood.
And when we went to that last appointment and came back high.
(36:58):
So then what she had to do is go back and they do a more detailed test.
So this one, she had to go in, she couldn't have anything, but like a little protein in the morning, she had to go in for her appointment.
And then she was there for, I think, three hours and they tested multiple times while she, I guess, drank more of that stuff, but they took more detailed.
(37:27):
So, cause they want to see not only what the numbers are, but how they change right from, from a fasted state to having some sugar.
Sure.
And so that was difficult.
They did that a couple of days later, they, we get the results and she failed that test again.
So could you remind us again what this test is showing?
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So this is the glucose test is basically for a gestational diabetes.
So gotcha.
The gestational diabetes, basically, I think for most people, it just, when that happens, it makes the baby get big, the baby gets fat, right?
So the size of the, but it also has an impact on how, how far to term you get because of the size of the baby, how difficult birth is.
(38:17):
So there's all kinds of reasons why they want to control that.
So the way that, so she got the recommendations now.
And initially I really thought I am, I'm one of the, this is one of the, one of those areas where my lovely wife and I differ.
And that is, I do believe in, I think more so than she does the power of believing something is going to go a certain way, right?
(38:44):
I think like if you believe you're going to take a blood test and you're going to, if you're going to fail it, you're going to fail it, right?
Your thoughts are going to, your mind is very powerful.
I, I, I do.
I, I really believe that you're on that side of the street and she's much more on the very scientific side of the street.
Like, no, that's not how this works.
(39:04):
So which even when she took the second test, cause I'm looking at her, she doesn't, I see what she eats.
She's not, she certainly is not, you know, diabetic or pre-diabetic normal.
And she doesn't, she's not eating a bunch of sweets.
She's not even eating a whole lot of carbs.
She's eating fairly healthfully.
So I don't, I'm thinking this is nonsense.
(39:25):
So I'm like, again, I'm like, don't worry about it.
So basically they put her on this protocol of she now has to get one of those glucose monitors and she's got to do a finger prick like in the morning when she gets up and then two hours after she eats throughout the day and she's making notes of the numbers.
(39:46):
So the first day she gets the thing and they give you the little machine, you know, a little strip and then you have to do that, right?
So she's trying to set up the little pricker thing.
So of course, and there's another difference with me, I would be like, set it for the deepest thing and make sure it works.
(40:06):
And then back on, she's trying it over and over again, not getting any blood.
She's squeezing her.
I'm like, oh, so it's like torture.
It took her for a while.
She gets it tests numbers.
She's selling it.
The numbers are low.
The numbers are good.
And I, I, I am remiss.
I apologize to our listeners and viewers.
I don't know what the numbers are supposed to be.
(40:27):
I just know she's telling me, oh yeah, her numbers like in the morning, we're like, I think in the low nineties.
Yeah.
And I say this cause my parents do that.
So that's why I said, I know that they're always doing it, but I think it's a different set of numbers that they're looking at for a, for her, but regardless, she's doing it.
And every, every time she's testing, the numbers are under what she was expecting.
(40:50):
And I'm thinking, I'm like, you know, why?
Because you decided my mind said, so I'm like, you're not, I'm like, this is not a thing.
So she's, she's going through and been doing it.
And at some point she's, she'll, she will have an appointment and they will review that data and come up with plans and show that I'm not, that's I take the blood out.
(41:13):
Yeah.
When you go to take you, not your, no, not yours.
Take that machine.
You're, you're doing at home with the low numbers and bring that over there.
And she's, she's noticed she's, she's makes a note of everything and she's got to give it.
She's got to basically give them all that data.
So we'll see how, how it goes.
But that's where we are for now with the possible, I'm, I'm still not a believer, but possible gestational diabetes.
(41:37):
And there's not been one reading that's been high.
No, not higher than she would expect because she was, she's been basically like, well, if it's this low, I'll have a little bit more.
Like she's having more carbs.
She's not a sweets person, right?
Even though he's all over the place because of the holiday, they're everywhere.
Yeah.
There was, there's a lot still.
(41:58):
So yes, they are still there, but she, so yeah.
So she's, I think, I think she's eating healthfully.
Hopefully it's going to go the right way.
Yeah.
I would never look at Kelly and go, wow, she's got to control that.
No, she's, she's been, she's, but it could be just because of the pregnancy and everything gets good.
It has nothing to do with that.
That is a food and all that good stuff.
(42:18):
It could, it could be completely that.
I know her mother with one, I think with Kelly's mom had a gestational diabetes with her younger brother.
Okay.
So it could be a family.
This is not common, but this happens a lot.
Yeah.
A lot of women, a lot.
So I think, yeah, it's very, very common.
And you know, I, I think you deal with it.
I mean, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
(42:40):
I think it's like now they have such an understanding of all this stuff.
They want everything in these very narrow tolerances when it comes to, you know, they keep it up on something that they can manipulate and control.
Why not do it?
Yeah.
As we're talking about this, I'm just thinking about next week's, you were wrong and how many things we just talked about.
(43:02):
Yep.
That's going to be there.
This whole medical thing.
I can almost guarantee it in the last couple of seconds.
Anytime I talk about anything where I'm like, Oh no, it's not nothing to worry about.
I can't, I can't wait for that one to go.
Oh, you silly men.
You have that look to look forward to.
Yeah.
It's going to be, I'm sure.
Absolutely.
So, so there was that, there's that stuff.
(43:25):
We'll find out more next week.
I started, we're now at the point where I think this is adorable.
It started with one of Kelly's cousins.
I get a text message and it's like, Hey, I've got this play mat.
I wasn't sure if you'd be interested.
And I immediately, I'm like, you know what?
(43:45):
I was just telling Kelly that my play mat's worn out and I need a new one.
I'm like, come on, send it on.
So we're starting so they show gathering things that people are like ready to start giving us stuff.
So we had a holiday party and, and a bunch of family comes.
It's always nice.
And the, of course they show up with the play mat and all kind of like there's two boxes of stuff.
(44:10):
It's very nice.
And I think it's funny because you can see they're happy to do it because it's obviously they're being helpful and, and we're, we're grateful to get it.
And there's also, I think a little bit of, thank God I got this out of the way.
It's awesome.
I'm like, I'm happy to do it.
It's not in my house anymore.
(44:33):
I'm already thinking like, wow, like we got a lot of room.
That's absolutely.
And they probably, they're like, I knew it.
Oh, it's out.
Someone needs it.
No, it was, it's a double whammy for them.
Yeah.
They're happy to do it for you and they're happy to do it for them.
Yeah.
So I think that was a, and it was fun.
(44:53):
Obviously it was fun to see everybody for that stuff, but yeah, so that's it.
So a lot of still a lot of stuff, a lot of more, a lot more gifts from the registry up.
We have upcoming in a couple of weeks, it'll be a Kelly's baby shower.
So that's coming up.
And then there's going to be one where her family is in Buffalo and then there'll be one here.
(45:15):
Okay.
So we've got those both coming up in the next few weeks.
But that's going to be interesting.
Do you have a section of the house yet for all the gifts that are going to go in like the garage or cause you're going to have a lot of stuff.
I think what I'm thinking about is in our basement, just starting to identify an area that will be where all that stuff, because right now our tree is still up and it's all like there and it's, it's getting out of control.
(45:43):
That was another thing that was also very nice from those same cousins.
And it made me remember something strange that I did as a kid, but they got already a tricycle of a radio flyer.
You can put that next to your sister-in-law's bench, the Barker lounger.
Yeah.
(46:03):
Yeah.
We got that, but adorable, adorable little thing.
And I don't know, but it made me think of this.
I don't know why I did this as a kid and maybe other kids that did it, or maybe it's just a unique to my weird childhood.
For some reason, when I was a kid, I would take my tricycle, I would flip it over.
Okay.
So the seat and the handlebars were on the ground and then you could grab the pedal on the wheel and I would crank the pedal.
(46:31):
Okay.
And in my head, I was making ice cream.
Why?
Why?
I don't know why.
This is your problem.
This is, yeah.
He said, if it was a child, it's not like they didn't have ice cream.
I was making ice cream.
Most kids would die for a bike.
(46:52):
For a tricycle.
Give me a tricycle.
You go, I need that tricycle because I want to make ice cream.
Yeah.
I wanted to make it.
That's what I did with my tricycle.
I didn't make an ice cream.
Where you're like, did you have like anything other than like you're, you're running a business?
I don't know.
You were gonna make ice cream for the kids.
No.
You're just happy enough just to make it.
(47:13):
I don't know.
Like part of me, part of me, as I think about this and I'm trying desperately to figure out why I would do that.
Oh, that's so good.
So our driveway was not, we didn't have a paved.
We had rocks.
We had run across because my dad, the, my dad, as we have discussed was a distributor for stalled door cookies.
(47:34):
So we would have a tractor trailer show up and there was a warehouse.
We had a, he had a like a 1300 square foot warehouse with a full bay door in the backyard, which was strange because we lived in a neighborhood, but there it is.
So that was it.
So we would have a tractor trailer show up once a week with commercial commercial things going through the residential.
(47:56):
Our home was zoned commercial.
That's why you got away with it.
Yeah, that was it.
So, but yeah, it was a great, it was a run across.
You had to for the tractor trailer.
So that was, that was it.
So it wasn't like I was riding around on a tricycle in that go over the place.
Sounds a lot better than what you would have also made it very hard to learn how to ride a bike.
(48:19):
All the other kids are had a nice paper doing.
Yeah.
I'm falling down and then turning it over.
I'll just make ice cream guys.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's, that's funny because not to get personal, but you've kind of run an ice cream.
I have, you have run an ice cream shop.
So everything comes, you know how you said your mind makes things happen.
(48:41):
So that moment when you think I constantly, my first job, a fit will know I worked, I did work at friendlies.
I mean it wasn't my first, I had my paper, I had my paper route and then I worked at Williams making pizza.
It's all about food and pizza.
And then I worked at friendlies and then I recently owned kind of like a, a sweet frog knockoff, absolutely.
(49:05):
Which I have now closed and got, but it's funny that I just remembered it.
Yeah.
That's truly ice cream.
I mean, it was, it was only because of the love of ice cream since a kid.
It was only because of friendlies that I met you.
Yes.
That was it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause she did.
Yeah.
Cause I met, I met my first girlfriend, Laura Pantello, whose brother is an avid listener.
(49:29):
Yes.
Dear friend of ours.
Yes.
Phil, Phil Pantello, brilliant, brilliant woodworker in Montana.
Uh, Pantello furniture concepts.
Look them up.
Yeah.
That was our first sponsor.
Phil sent us the check.
Yeah.
I'd like a high chair.
He went quarter sawn.
(49:50):
Please.
He wants a tricycle.
He can turn around and make some ice cream with that has to be the next thumbnail ice cream coming out of a tricycle.
I don't know why.
Oh, that's good.
There's more.
There's more.
I have another example of a weird thing I did as a kid now that has come out the next episode.
I love when you do these.
I can just, I'm always just picturing a little pudgy.
(50:10):
Frank, that is just the best.
Just what are you doing?
I'm making ice cream.
I just think of selfishly.
I think of my wife listening to this.
And then when you say these things, you just start to burst because she has no idea you're going to say what you just said.
So I love, I love that.
This is all for you, Trina.
This whole podcast is for our wives.
Even if it was true, it would be worth it.
(50:33):
But it's funny.
So anyway, thank you once again for making it all the way to the end.
And I'm sure we will have more sad stories from my childhood to talk about.
You know what, Frank, let's go get some ice cream.
Okay.
This is good.
I never get ice cream after the show.
(50:54):
Let's take our bikes there.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Okay.
Thanks very much.
Well, folks, that's another episode of the gray hair and daycare podcast in the books.
Thanks very much for tuning in and spending this time with us.
We hope it was fun.
(51:15):
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(51:43):
We'd love to hear from you.
And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to bed.
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