Ep 544: Decoding Supplement Labels & Choosing Quality Products With Jared St. Clair

In this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Jared St. Clair, an herbalist, supplement formulator, and host of the Vitality Radio Podcast. With over 30 years of experience running Vitality Nutrition, Jared is a leading expert on natural supplements and their role in hormone balance, digestion, immunity, and emotional wellness.

Together, they break down how to read supplement labels, identify high-quality products, and avoid counterfeit supplements online. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by the supplement aisle, this episode is for you!

🔥 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
✅ Whole food vs. synthetic supplements – What absorbs best?
✅ How to read supplement labels & spot high-quality products
✅ The truth about sourcing supplements from China and India
✅ How to avoid counterfeit supplements & what certifications to look for (GMP, NSF)
✅ Why it’s crucial to know who owns the supplement brands you buy
✅ Jared’s “Vital 5” must-have supplements for optimal health

🔗 Resources from the Show:
🏪 Vitality Nutrition (Bountiful, Utah) – 107 S 500 West, 801-292-6662
📲 Instagram: @vitalitynutritionbountiful
🎙 Vitality Radio Podcast – Available on YouTube & all major podcast platforms

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Episode Transcript

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[Preview] You are no longer putting out as many enzymes as you need to digest your meals efficiently and to get all the nutrients out of your food that you're trying to get.

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Most people don't even understand exactly what digestive enzymes do.
And once you understand what they do, and I will dare say, once you experiment with them, you'll recognize that in most cases they're actually pretty experiential and make a big difference.
So with Amazon, there's a lot of what's called counterfeiting going on. It's exactly what you just talked about. And it's exactly what it sounds like.

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It's a bottle that looks like this, but it's not what is supposed to be inside of this.
There are manufacturers out there that have money that are mimicking real products.
I mean, I found one the other day that was frankly pretty scary.
[Intro] Welcome to The Health Fix Podcast, where health junkies get their weekly fix of tips, tools,

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and techniques to have limitless energy, sharp minds, and fit, physiques for life.
Hey, health junkies.
On this episode of The Health Fix Podcast, I'm interviewing Jared St. Clair.
He's an herbalist and an expert natural supplement formulator with over 30 years of hands-on

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experience running vitality nutrition, a well-known health store in Utah.
He's known for his vital five essential supplements and has crafted highly effective formulas
and protocols for health concerns from digestive issues and hormone imbalances to immune support
and emotional wellness.
As a host of the Vitality Radio Podcast, Jared educates listeners on mastering natural supplements

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to thrive without pharmaceuticals making him a leading voice in holistic health.
In this episode, Jared and I talk all about how to decode a supplement label.
We go into what makes a quality supplement.
talk about using your vote with your wallet in terms of what you want for quality supplements.

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We also talk about sourcing, certification, all of the things that you want to know when it comes
to making sure you're buying a quality supplement. So let's introduce you to Jared St. Clair. And I
can't wait for you to enjoy this really informative podcast.

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All right, let's get on with the podcast.

JANNINE (02:18):
Jared St. Clair, welcome to the HealthFix podcast.

JARED (02:27):
I am happy to be here.
Thank you so much for having me.

JANNINE (02:30):
Well, I know we've got a lot to talk about
just with your history of being an herbalist
and working with supplements
and having your own supplement company,
all my favorite things, right?
So I'm like, this is my jam.
Now, of course, my first question I always like to ask folks,
how did you get into being an herbalist,
a supplement formulator?
How did this come to you?

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Were you always interested in it?
Were your parents interested?
Give us a scoop.

JARED: Definitely starts with my parents. (02:56):
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So I grew up in a health food store,
the same store that I own today,
that's called Vitality Nutrition in Bountiful Utah.
My parents opened that store when I was five years old,
And I started working there around seven years old, and the basic stuff that a seven-year-old
can do, putting labels on products and dumping the trash and that kind of thing.

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And eventually when I was 14, my parents decided that that was the rule for me and my siblings,
was that once we were 14, we could interact with customers and answer questions and that
kind of thing.
So started doing that when I was 14, and then I loved it and had this crazy passion
forward. It became like my favorite thing to do. And so by the time I was 15, almost 16,

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they actually turned the store over to me and started managing the place as a teenager. And
which is an interesting thing when you're in a health store, you know, you got people coming in
asking for all kinds of things and asking about all kinds of different health issues that aren't
always maybe comfortable to talk to a 15 year old kid about. But that was me. And I loved doing it.

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And I bought it from them when I was 22.
That's 30 years ago now.
And so it's literally been my life's work.

JANNINE (04:11):
Wow, I can imagine being 15, 16,
and you've got people coming to you,
like with dire questions.
And how were you like, some days like,
oh gosh, what do I do?
Or had you heard your parents kind of answering?
So you kind of already had like a repertoire
in the brain of what to spit out based on what you've learned.

JARED: Yeah, the good news was that, you know, (04:31):
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back then of course there wasn't internet or anything like that.
So it wasn't easy to, you know,
there was no such thing as Googling stuff,
but we had some fantastic herb books,
some wonderful supplement books and things like that
that we could reference if we didn't know what we were,
you know, the answer to the question

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that we were looking for or people were looking for.
And I had my parents who had a lot of time
under their belts working with people and their health issues.
And interestingly, back then, you know,
having a health food store in 1977
in the early '80s was not a great idea
if you're trying to actually make money, right?

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It wasn't really a business.
It was more of a hobby.
My dad worked full time to support the family
and the business was just kind of on the side.
Now, I think when he started,
he had hoped at some point it would become the,
you know, the family business.
And it did for my family,
but never when he owned it.
And so, and back in those days,

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we didn't have a lot of people coming in
and people were looking for really basic stuff.
They just wanted healthier food.
There weren't grocery stores weren't carrying organic stuff.
They weren't carrying whole wheat pasta
with big way back then in health food stores
and you couldn't find it in grocery stores.
Nobody had ever even heard of gluten-free back then, right?

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So there was, the world was a very, very different place
And most of the questions I got as a kid were pretty basic.
You know, I've got the sniffles, what do I do for that?
You know, that kind of thing.
As things have evolved and the supplement industry
has evolved, people have started to rely a lot more
on what we do here at Vitality Nutrition

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to help them with more serious things.
But I joke all the time, you know,
I was the 15, 16 year old boy that occasionally
I'd have somebody come in a woman at, you know,
a menopausal woman asked for something for vaginal dryness
or something like that.
And at the time, they were embarrassed, I was embarrassed,
and we just worked through it.

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Now I tell people, you can ask me about anything.
I talk about poop, I talk about periods,
I talk about all of it.
It doesn't bother me and it really hasn't
for many, many years, but as a 15 year old,
it was a little awkward sometimes.

JANNINE (06:49):
I can imagine, I can imagine.
I grew up, my mom was somewhat of a hippie,
So we would go to the natural food stores in the area, you know, and I like I was the kid, you know
We we would go to the bulk section and I would be so stoked to get like the
apricots and and the main go to the pineapple or put by or whatever

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And then I was like what are these other things and so I started to discover like wheat berries and and all these other things and
You know, I I couldn't have imagined, you know meeting another 15 year old, you know in the same store and being like
Hey, what can I do for my period?

JARED: Right JANNINE (07:25):
Right?
But at the same time though, you know,
I've always found the local, local vitamin stores
to be just a great source of information, you know,
non-biased and just fun, I guess,
'cause you could ask like, hey, you know,
I'm going gluten free, what kind of things do you have?
Or hey, I'm off eggs.

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What do I do, you know?
And then you guys would have different things.
And I think for a lot of people, even to this day,
they may still not be sure what to do
in those kinds of situations.
And I'm guessing you guys kind of have
still the foundational things for folks going gluten free,
egg free, dairy free, things of that nature.

JARED: Yeah, so what we actually did as the store has moved along (08:07):
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and things like that have become more mainstream.
I mean, you can find lots of gluten free options
at Costco now, you know, that kind of thing.
We've actually chosen to focus more
on the supplement side of things.
So we do have healthy foods, but more, I don't know, we have seasonings, we have apple cider

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vinegar, we have things like that.
We don't do too much in the food area.
We're mostly into vitamins, minerals, herbs, amino acids, protein, things like that is
where we've chosen to focus.
And really looking at over the years, it's funny because before you hit record on this,
you were talking about how you may be making some changes to the approach to your podcast

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And what you find is that as people start to demand different things, you kind of move
with the demand, right?
And the demand has become, hey, I really need more help with, you know, therapeutically taking
care of myself in, you know, this situation or that situation.
And we have people come in with everything from very, very simple things like a cold

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sore to much more comprehensive or concerning things.
I guess you could say, like, you know,
Lyme and parasite issues and things like that.
And so we've really chosen to focus very heavily
on that end of things.
And we've found that over the years,
our client base is a much more informed client base.

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They have learned a lot through, you know,
these types of shows and have are asking
much more intelligent questions about their help.
It's been a really, really cool thing to see.
But to go back to your point, I love what you said
about the local little store.
And of course, I love that 'cause I am one.

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But it's interesting 'cause we have a website now
and we're all over the country and my podcast
is all over the country.
And about almost half of our business now
isn't inside the state of Utah.
But what I love about what we do
and that my parents started it way back
when nobody was really in it for the money
is that there is a unique energy in that type of business.

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So I tell people all the time, even on my podcast,
if you need something and you've got somebody local
that does a great job, go shop with them, that's fine.
I mean, yeah, I'd love you to come to me,
always happy to take your business,
but just let's recognize that there are people in this business
for a variety of different reasons.

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And when you can find someone who has that heritage
It goes way back to the early days of supplementation.
Usually the energy of that place is very, very different
than the energy of the place that opened up five years ago.
That's a chain store that's run by a board of directors
somewhere and that matters when it comes to their willingness

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and ability, I think, to help you with what you need.

JANNINE (11:03):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Our local shop here where I grew up,
I mean, it's family owned for generations.
I think they opened in the 60s.
And one of the things that I found is like,
it's just like the hub for if you really want to get
the insider knowledge that you're not going to pick up
when you pick up something at Costco.
And you're like, well, I've got this mix for gluten-free.

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Is it going to be hockey pucks or is it going to be like
legit here?
You know, whereas other folks just can give you
little insights, which I absolutely love that concept.
Now, let's move in the supplements because obviously
they're hot.
We know, you know, being my, my industries in Ashropath,
I prescribe them, but what happens a lot of times is,
is that the clients are going to be inundated

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with, with different types of this is the,
this is the miracle supplement this week
of whatever super food or antioxidant, right?
And this one's getting blown up on Instagram with ads.
And when I sometimes look at the labels, I'm going,
I wouldn't put that in my body.
And so I think for a lot of people trying to decode

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what is a good supplement versus what is something
that's got a lot of filler and junk in it.
And so I would love to hear your take
on what makes a quality product.

JARED: Yeah, well, first to address the way you said about (12:21):
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kind of the FAD stuff, it's an interesting thing, right?
Because now that we have social media
and especially in the world TikTok,
which I guess is back all of a sudden again,
I don't know.
I don't spend any time on TikTok,
but it's been an interesting thing to see
'cause some of it drives me crazy
because it is just a fad and a cash grab.

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And other things are like,
"Oh, this is actually really cool."
For instance, Castor Oil Packs.
I'm a big fan of Castor Oil Packs,
but nobody was talking about Castor Oil Packs
and so somebody started talking about it on TikTok.
And now we sell more Castor Oil Packs at Vitality
than we have in decades.
And so in that way, that can be really, really great
I think cast royal packs have a lot of awesome benefits.

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But at other times I hear what they're selling or talking about, I'm like, this is just somebody
got smart and figured out a way to make this go viral and they're going to sell a million
bottles and nobody's going to get any results.
So you have to be cautious with that.
And I always just tell my listeners on my podcast that you have to recognize that when

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you are getting information from someone who's not yet a trusted source, not that they can't become
one, maybe they will be one day, but they're not yet a trusted source. Do some vetting,
check things out, look behind the scenes, see what their motivations are, and if anybody else
is supporting what they're claiming, and especially if it's the hot new thing, because the hot new

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often times is a hot new thing for three or four months if that and it's gone.
And that's happened so many times since I've been doing this that I can't,
it's impossible to count that high, right?
So that's something that you always have to be cautious of.
And you can find trusted sources.
I mean, I know the people listening to you have you as that sort, resource.

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And the people who listen to my podcast feel that way about me.
But that trust should be earned too, right?
You ought to be able to prove yourself with the recommendations that you're making and the benefits that people receive based on those recommendations, that kind of thing.
But as far as labels go, you know, we have this really awesome organization. Maybe you've heard of them. They're called the FDA.

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They're all in Washington, DC.
And they're known as the food and drug administration. And if you look at the food supply in America and the drug supply in America, they're doing a bang up job.
They're doing a bang up job, right?
Taking care of our health.
And of course I'm being as facetious as I know how.
But they're also in charge of supplements.

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And interestingly enough, supplements are technically foods
according to the Food and Drug Administration
because essentially if they're not a food,
then they're, or they're not a drug, then they're a food.
And so if you look at the back of a supplement,
fax panel and anybody's listening,
if you've got a bottle in front of you
a vitamin C or your multivitamin or whatever,
the back of the bottle have something called
the supplement facts panel.

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The supplement facts panel has a ton of information that is really, really valuable
if you understand what the heck that information actually is trying to tell you.
And so if we walk through that just a little bit, there's a couple of things that you can
look for.
And I have to preface this, Jannine, with the fact that there's no comprehensive way that

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I can educate anybody to know precisely if a product is quality or it's not quality.
But there are a bunch of things you can look for that at least can give you a pretty good
hint.
And in some cases, absolutely tell the tale.
So let's just take, I've got to follow a magnesium here.
This is my brand, Vital 5 Magnesium Bisclysinate.

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And this is a really simple product.
There's one ingredient, one active ingredient is all that's in this product and that's the
magnesium.
When you're looking at a mineral, so magnesium, you know, iron, selenium, chromium, pick
the mineral.
do you always want to look at what's in the parentheses?
Well, I should say when you're looking at any nutrient
in a supplement-packed panel,

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you wanna look at what's in the parentheses.
So, I think you're not gonna be able to see this here on video,
but I'll just read it off to you.
It says magnesium, and then in parentheses,
it says from magnesium, bisque, lysinate,
and then there's a bunch of letters,
t-r-a-a-c-s with a little registered trademark there.
So, what you know from that is that magnesium

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is the nutrient that is being claimed on the panel.
And in this case, it says there's 400 milligrams.
You always want to look above that
to see how many capsules it requires
to get that 400 milligrams.
And that's going to be the serving size,
three capsules in this case to get 400 milligrams.
And then if you want to look at the daily value,
you can look at the daily value.
In this case, that's 100%.

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The daily value was established back in 1941.
It hasn't been updated very often or very well.
And in many cases is way off base.
So I don't pay a lot of attention to the daily value.
But the parentheses matter.
So in this case, it says from magnesium bisglycinate.
So this tells you what form of magnesium you have.
Now, if you don't know the different forms of magnesium,

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now as a consumer who chooses to be informed,
it's time to do a little bit of homework.
Let's look up magnesium bisglycinate.
How does it compare to magnesium citrate, magnesium malate,
magnesium oxide, and all these different things?
My podcast is a lot about helping people understand that stuff.
Like I have an episode called the Magnesium Users Guide.
And it covers all the main forms of magnesium, why you might want this one

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versus that one, why you might want to put it on topically versus taking it
internally, why you might want to powder versus a pill, you know, all these
types of things are discussed in there.
And again, if, if you get to the point where you trust what I'm saying, it's a
pretty helpful episode.
But in this case, we're talking about minerals and that bis-glucinate word is the most important word here.

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That indicates that the product is a chelated mineral.
Minerals are generally mined, the same way as gold or copper or silver would be mined from a rock.
And they are what are known as inorganic minerals.
An inorganic mineral is as recognizable to your body
and to your cells as a powdered rock might be.

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You're going to absorb a very, very small percentage of that.
Magnesium oxide, for instance, which is basically just raw
magnesium is typically about 4% or less
absorbed by the average human.
So that 400 milligrams that you're taking,
you're getting a very tiny little pinch of that.
In the case of magnesium bisclicinate,

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what you've got is you've got a mineral that is bonded to an amino acid.
Now amino acids come from protein.
The human body recognizes protein as food,
and so at the blood level and the cellular level,
your body sees that and says, "Oh, I know what glycine is."
And that acts as essentially a chaperone and allows magnesium into the club,

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so to speak, getting into the cell.
It's not a perfect system,
But it essentially is as close as we can get to mimicking
the whole food form of magnesium.
Now, whole food magnesium is optimal.
Whole food, anything would be optimal,
but our ancestors were getting 600 milligrams of magnesium

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a hundred years ago in their diet
and we're getting about 250.
And that's because our soil has been so incredibly depleted
by modern farming practices.
Also, our stress levels are higher than they've ever been,
particularly in the mental emotional side.
Physical stress, maybe not as much.
I think our ancestors worked harder than we do
to a very large degree, right?

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But in terms of what we're looking at with magnesium,
the need is higher than it probably has ever been before
and the supply from our food is lower than it's ever been
before.
So rather than grinding up a bunch of, let's say, spinach,
or actually the highest whole food source of magnesium
would be pumpkin seeds.

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and putting those into a powder form
and trying to put it into a capsule,
which would mean you'd have to take maybe 15 to 20 capsules
to get that 400 milligrams of magnesium.
What they've been able to do is in a lab setting,
they are taking magnesium and an amino acid,
they're bonding the two together,
and your body is then able to recognize magnesium,

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recognize the glycine and pull the magnesium in.
And the research on the bis-glycinate form
specifically indicates that you're gonna absorb
closer to 40% of that versus the 4%.
So 10 times higher, which is a huge, huge difference.

JANNINE (20:59):
Yeah. Oh my goodness.
I think a lot of people don't realize that that difference
'cause you know, there is this push right now.
I'll say maybe not as much this particular year,
but last year in the beginning and the years before,
I've heard the push for like,
no, you gotta have Whole Foods vitamins.
You can't have, you know, the non-whole foods.

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I'm sure you've gotten that question too.

JARED (21:23):
Yeah, I did a whole show on that.
And that's actually an interesting thing
'cause my personal assistant who also edits my podcast,
she's edited 300 shows or something like that at this point.
I guess she didn't start with me when I started,
but she, I asked her what,
I asked her my 500th episode last week
and I asked her, "Okay, what are your favorite episodes

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"of all the episodes that you've done?"
And her favorite episode, she said, was that episode
where I talked about whole food versus what I would consider
to be optimally absorbed nutrients that are not whole food.
'Cause there's a number of ways that you can do that.
And the thing about whole food is, whole food is fantastic.

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The body was meant to live on whole food.
That's elementary, right?
We all understand that.
Supplements though have become a necessity over the years
because of modern lifestyles, toxins,
and so many other things.
And of course, you know, you recommend supplements,
I recommend supplements,
lots of people recommend supplements now.

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And for good reason.
So then the question is, what are they putting the capsule,
or is what they're putting in the capsule
actually going to absorb?
And the challenge with Whole Food
is just what I said with the pumpkin seed thing.
You can do Whole Food,
and you can even concentrate Whole Food,
and there's a company out there,
Balance of something, I won't say their whole name,
that's marketing all over the place

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with lots of influencers saying,
we put freeze dried whole food into our capsules
and we give it to you and this covers
all your vitamins and minerals.
Well, what you end up with a whole food vitamin
is actually pretty simple.
You end up with a very high absorption rate
of a very, very low potency supplement.
So let's just say you absorb 100% of it,
but there's only 40 milligrams of magnesium there.

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Well, now you've got 40 milligrams,
but if you absorb 40% of 400 milligrams of magnesium,
Now you've got 160 milligrams.
So you've still got four times as much magnesium
in the non-whole food form, getting into the cell
as you did in the whole food form.
And so the two downsides to whole food,
'cause I'm not really opposed to whole food,

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it kinda depends on what the supplement is.
But if you need a lot of a nutrient,
in most cases you won't get it from a whole food source.
You may get a lot of absorption,
but you won't get the volume that you actually need.

JANNINE (23:44):
Excellent description. It's so good. It's so good because so many people are confused on that and usually my blanket statement is if you're trying to just have a multi and you've had say micro nutrient testing and you know that you're pretty good for the most part.
Great.
I would then like you said if there's something we need to replete because you are extremely deficient, then I'd be looking for the the non hole for versions.

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Whole Foods, one of the big arguments that I get from folks all the time is, well, it's
from Whole Foods we can get it from the US.
Whereas the other supplements are not as common all of them to come from the US.
We have India and China being a lot of the producers of the sources.
So a lot of people will argue with that.
So I'd love to hear kind of how you explain that, you know, where your sourcing is.

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Give folks the scoop in that department because it's an argument.

JARED (24:38):
That's a great question and it's a tough one for the consumer to decipher, unfortunately.
There's, let me first say that just because something comes from China or India doesn't
mean that it's low quality.
You are Chinese herbalist and you know that Chinese know what they're doing when it comes
to herbs.
But we also know China is a very polluted place.

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There's a lot more toxins potentially in the soil than in some places in America, not
that America is not a polluted place, but you know,
Shanghai's worse than New York City, for instance,
when it comes to that kind of thing.
And there's a general consensus that because it comes
from China, it's cheap and therefore it's not as good.
Now, in some cases, that is 100% accurate.

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I'll give you an example that's a supplement
that's one of the most commonly used supplements
in America, creatine, which is used by everything
from bodybuilders to seniors to, you know,
maintain muscle mass and things like that.
As a general rule, Chinese creatine is pretty low grade creatine.
It has more impurities in it.
And so you're going to get more than just creatine with your creatine.

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I wouldn't go as far as calling it dangerous, but it's not as effective.
It's not as useful.
And there is some stuff in there that you probably don't want in your body.
For whatever reason, Germany has become the best source for creatine.
There's a couple of manufacturers over there in Germany who make the very
highest grade creatine available, even better than anything that's currently made here in

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America. So in the case of creatine, America is not as good and neither is China, but in
the case of Chinese herbs in many cases, you can only get them from China. And it's important
to understand a couple of things. And what I would encourage people to look for, it's
not always going to be on the label, but it ought to be on the label. In fact, Jannine,

(26:28):
I'll tell you something I'm embarrassed about.
It's not on all of my labels except because it was a complete oversight when I started
designing some of my labels, but there's something called CGMP that's certified good
manufacturing processes.
That is a handshake agreement that the supplement industry has with the FDA.

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It's not the law.
You don't have to follow good manufacturing processes.
But if you want to be an above-the-board supplement manufacturer, you certainly should
be following these good manufacturing policies.
And part of the good manufacturing policies is a combination of checks for impurities.

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So the basic way it works is if you're a manufacturing facility, and most companies that make supplements
like me, I have my supplement line, I have 30-something products, don't actually make
our products.
have another company that's a manufacturing company that makes the product.
So I order the product.
The raw material is then ordered or raw materials are ordered.

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They come into the manufacturing warehouse.
They do what's called a quarantine.
At that point, they quarantine the product while it's being tested for heavy metals and
microbials and things like that to make sure that it falls within the standard of what's
considered safe here in America.
And those standards, I think, are actually pretty good.
I'm not, some things the FDA does better than others, but I think those standards are pretty

(27:55):
solid.
And so at that point, once it passes, then they can move to the next stage and start manufacturing
the product.
Because most products are blended with a variety of different ingredients, you know, I just
mentioned my magnesium as a single ingredient supplement, but my multivitamin has 60 plus
ingredients in it.

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So you're putting a whole bunch of different stuff in the vat, they're blending it all
together, then they actually do an additional testing cycle at the end to make sure that
not more microbials haven't popped up or the combination of all the ingredients together,
haven't put it over some heavy metal limit or something like that.
And that is all done under CGMP, but also within CGMP is the ability for the FDA to

(28:40):
come in pretty much whenever they want and inspect the facility and say, "Okay, show
of your papers is everything the way that it's supposed to be.
And so what we've done at Vitality and what a lot of really great manufacturers,
and I would dare say most manufacturers in America are doing,
the problem is there's a lot of them that aren't doing it as well,
is they're hiring manufacturers that are following CGMP and have a third party,

(29:06):
not the FDA, but an additional third party that's actually looking at their practices
and making sure that they're dotting all the eyes,
crossing all the teas.
So I mentioned that not all of my formulas
have that on the label because I just,
for who knows what reason,
maybe because I'm a scatter brain by nature,
didn't put it on there, but we use a manufacturer

(29:27):
that does all of that.
All of our labels are currently being redone
and it will indicate that.
So when you're looking at supplements,
you wanna look for that CGMP,
that's a really, really useful tool to give you an idea
Because while it isn't the law to be a CGMP manufacturer,
it is the law that if you state it on your label
that you are, that you are, and that you're certified

(29:50):
and doing that correctly.

JANNINE (29:51):
Absolutely something I look at.
Sometimes I'm looking at NSF safe too for--

JARED (29:58):
And NSF would be one of those third parties I mentioned.

JANNINE (30:01):
Yeah, yeah.

JARED: Which is even better than CGMP, (30:01):
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if you can have both things, yeah.
And ours are actually made in a manufacturing lab
that is NSF and CGMP.
So, which is about as good as it gets.
There's a couple of other companies like NSF
that do great work as well.
But if you look for CGMP,
I think that's the basic standard that I think is,
you should feel relatively comfortable at that point.

(30:23):
If you're not seeing that,
and it's a brand you don't recognize
and you have no real understanding
of what this company is doing,
then that's where I think at least a red flag should pop up
and you should do additional research,
if not just push that one to the side
and go find one that covers those bases.

JANNINE (30:41):
I think that's really important
'cause we do see a lot of that with Amazon
and you're like looking at it, you're like,
"I don't know, you have to go to the,
a lot of people don't necessarily know
they've got to go to the store
that goes with the brand they're looking for
at the very least."
But we've had a lot of episodes lately in my practice
in terms of getting knock off things
and weird spelling things from Amazon.

(31:03):
And so it's one of those things where I kind of go back to, in a pinch, it might be useful
if you need something really fast, but you got to be very careful.
Do you have Amazon guidelines for folks?
Are you guys on Amazon?

JARED: We are not on Amazon. (31:17):
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And I've chosen to do that for two reasons.
It is better for business to be on Amazon, period.
You're going to sell more products.
You're going to you're going to have the benefit of potentially getting a nice, you know, four
and a half, five star rating on your products. So people go and look at reviews and determine
if other people have liked your products, all this kind of stuff. But I have a pretty rigid

(31:42):
standard for what I do with my brand and with my store. So Amazon will start there. And then if
it's okay and we have time, I'll tell you a little bit else, a little another story that I think is
really valuable for consumers to hear. So with Amazon, there's a lot of what's called counterfeiting
going on. It's exactly what you just talked about and it's exactly what it sounds like.

(32:06):
It's a bottle that looks like this, but it's not what is supposed to be inside of this.
There are manufacturers out there that have money that are mimicking real products.
And I mean, I found one the other day that was frankly pretty scary. There's a brand called Terry
Naturally. I don't know if you're familiar with them. They make a product called Cura Man.

(32:28):
It's my personal favorite turmeric product. I love that product and we've sold thousands of
bottles over the years here at Vitality. Soft gel capsules are expensive to make. You have to make
a million or two million of a time minimum and in some cases even more depending on the manufacturer.
Some manufacturers require five million capsules. The reason I say that is this is a soft gel. This

(32:51):
counterfeit product was a soft gel capsule which means the company that is making this counterfeit
made thousands and thousands of bottles of these, which means they have money behind what they're
doing. They have a label that looks just like Terry Naturley's label. They have a bottle that
looks just like their bottle. The capsule doesn't look just like it. It's actually a different color
so you can tell there. And of course, the lot number and all that don't match up with what Terry

(33:15):
Naturley is doing. The problem is, as a consumer, if I had not taken the product before and I opened
that bottle, I would have no idea it wasn't what they said it was. And I if I as a retail
supplement store owner had opened that bottle and had never seen the inside of another bottle,

(33:38):
I would have thought it was a legitimate product. It passed all the tests. It looks exactly like
you're supposed to look as coming from Amazon. This has been going on for about a decade now.
FDA knows about it and has done nothing about it. Amazon knows about it and has done nothing
about it. For that reason alone, I won't sell on Amazon because they get about 15% to 30% of

(34:02):
what you sell on Amazon and I don't want to support them with my customer's money. It would be a
probably a more financially wise decision to be on Amazon but I've chosen not to for that reason.
If you buy my products, you're going to know that they're legitimate products and you can get them,
you know, directly from us. And the only other people I sell them to is people like you. I sell

(34:25):
them to practitioners and I sell them to health food stores, independent health food stores.
And that's what we've chosen to do. That's the approach that we've taken. The other thing that's
happening with Amazon that's, you know, as bad or worse, there was a study done and an independent
supplement company called Now Foods did this study. They bought the top 33 Burberry products from
Amazon. And they went and paid the money to have each one of them analyzed to see what was actually

(34:51):
in them. Two products of 33 actually got close to the label claim. None got 100% of what the label
said. But two were within 90% of the label, which is actually within the legal limit 90%. And so
they had 90% berbering. Those products would probably work fine for people there a little,
a little weak, but you know nothing terrible. The vast majority of the products didn't even meet

(35:16):
50% of what the label claim was and there were five products that had zero berberine at all.
Guess what? Berberine is right now. It's the number one selling herb in the country. And as the number
one selling herb in the country, every fly by night Shirester is going to go out there and they're
going to try and make their bucks and Amazon and eBay are the very very best places to do that.

(35:37):
Walmart.com is another notorious place for this.
So those are the big three that we're seeing in a lot.
That's not to say you can't buy quality supplements
on Amazon, you did make a really, really good point.
If you're gonna buy, let's just say Terri Naturally again,
if you're gonna buy Terri Naturally's product,
buy it from the Terri Naturally store on Amazon,

(35:58):
they are essentially controlling all of that,
sending their product to Amazon, Amazon sending it to you
in most cases, that's how it works anyway.
you'll sometimes pay more for it.
And that's okay, because you're getting the real McCoy.
And that should also be a red flag.
It seems too cheap on Amazon.

(36:19):
It's probably not the real thing.

JANNINE (36:21):
And that, it's just so, it's disheartening to me
because I know that a lot of folks are trying to save money.
Let's face it, you know, you get five supplements
and you're about 200 bucks deep, you know,
sometimes more depending on where you're at.
So looking for a good deal is what folks are intending to do.
And then what kills me is then folks will be like,
well, my protocol didn't work.

(36:42):
And it's like, where did you get the supplements?
Because I see on my--
because I use Fullscript, which is a third party company.
You've probably heard for naturopaths and different functional
medicine providers.
You know, that's one of my main things.
But yeah, if someone has to get something from Amazon
because we need something in a pinch,
it's disheartening.

(37:03):
It just sucks that we have to deal with that.
Now, I think another thing that folks really struggle with
is all of the fillers and the seed oils
that are in as the added ingredients.
You have a blanket statement that you have
or like some insight for folks in terms of like,
if they're looking at a supplement,
they're trying to weigh it out.

(37:23):
That says the CGMP, you know, it looks like it's all right,
but then there's a whole bunch of fillers.
What do we do now?

JARED: Yeah, so other ingredients is where you have to look at that. (37:31):
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The supplement facts panel at the very bottom,
underneath the last line of the supplement facts panel,
it's gonna say other ingredients.
And it's typically gonna list what the capsule's made out of,
which is either gonna be gelatin or cellulose.
And that's fine, that's what's the capsule's made out of.
If it's a tablet, it's a little different.
And actually that's one place where I tend to

(37:53):
prefer personally capsules versus tablets.
They do break down a little bit quicker,
which is nice and beneficial, but also there's just generally a lot less ingredients in the
other ingredients.
In order to make a tablet and keep a tablet solid, you've got to have a bunch of binders.
So it's not just fillers that fill the capsule, but binders and binders in many cases aren't

(38:16):
the healthiest ingredients, I guess the best way to put it.
So I generally prefer capsules versus tablets.
If it's a soft gel capsule, like I was just talking about, terra-naturally, then there's
going to be an oil in it.
And that's where you're going to run into the seed oil issue.
They typically use the cheapest oils.
So like if you buy vitamin D at Costco,
they're a big Kirkland brand,
I think it's soybean oil, if I remember correctly.

(38:37):
I've seen corn oil, I've seen a variety of different oils.
And the thing is, I guess it depends on how you look at it
and how clean you're trying to live.
Because if you're already someone who consumes
a lot of seed oils, the amount of seed oil
in your vitamin D capsule is not gonna put you over the top.
But if you're someone who's really trying
to clean things up and you're trying to get as non-toxic

(38:59):
as you can in your diet.
And I personally am a seed oil-free person myself.
I don't use them at all.
Then yeah, you don't want them in your vitamins either, right?
The crazy thing, Jannine, is that,
I don't know if you've noticed,
I know you have to have noticed you're an informed individual,
but if you go and you look at drug facts panels
and you look at other ingredients in drugs,

(39:21):
artificial colors all over the place, sweeteners,
I mean, you'll see aspartame in tablets so that they taste sweet when you put them on
your tongue, you know, and they're going to be this bright red or blue color or whatever
it is.
The companies that are making vitamins for companies like Walmart and Costco are generally
drug companies that have gotten into the vitamin business because they're trying to make money

(39:45):
where money is to be made.
And there's a lot of money to be made in the supplement industry now.
And so they're, but they're doing a lot of the same things they've always done in the
drug company. So the last time I looked at Acosco Vitamin D, not only did it have
soybean oil, but it also had caramel color in it. So that the capsule looks a little prettier,
which is absurd in every possible way. I mean, I've always thought it was absurd that orange soda

(40:07):
has to be orange in color. Why can't it be clear? But you know, I get that, at least it kind of makes
sense. It's going to be more appealing to a kid if it's a bright orange color, but a vitamin D capsule,
it's absurd. There's no wisdom in that. And so, but that brings me to this other point when it
comes to these companies that are actually drug companies, masquerading as supplement companies.

(40:29):
If you're someone who listens to a podcast like yours, Jannine, or a podcast like mine,
you're probably at the very least a little suspicious, we'll say, of pharmaceutical companies,

Probably more than that. Is that safe to say? JANNINE (40:43):
I hope so. I hope I got my message across. I really do.

Totally hope my message has gone across. JARED: I hope so too, right? And sometimes I wonder, but I always (40:49):
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hope. So if you're already a little bit thinking things are a little dubious when it comes to
pharmaceutical companies, then the question is, do you want to supply them with money? It's the
same thing to stand that I've taken against Amazon. It's the same stand I take against drug companies

(41:10):
that sell supplements. So there's a well-known company, New Chapter, a big company in this industry.
We were a big supporter of New Chapter years ago and they sold out to Proctor and Gamble,
not quite a drug company, but not a company I want to get my money to. Maybe I'll buy toilet
paper from them, that's about as far as I want to go when it comes to a company like that.

(41:33):
And so we made the decision and it was a difficult one that we weren't going to sell
new chapter of Vitality, nutrition anymore. We've had to do that time and time and time again because
brands are selling, they're buying, they're creating the brand, they're getting it big,
they're selling out to whoever has the most money. And unfortunately, in many cases, that's

(41:55):
Clorox or Nestle or Proctor & Gamble or Pfizer. You know, my favorite product growing up was
the old emergency product. Do you remember that product? Still around, it's around more than it
it ever has been. I've used that product from the time I was five years old. They sold out
to Pfizer about a decade ago. I'm not going to give my money to Pfizer. It's just not
something I'm willing to do. And I don't expect consumers to necessarily know that information,

(42:21):
but there are really, really good assets out there online, including podcasts like ours,
where you can learn that information. And then once you've learned better, you know,
better. But that's why I'm not going to buy a supplement from Amazon. That's why I'm not going
to buy a supplement from Costco. It's why I'm not going to buy a supplement because even if it's
a good quality supplement, the biggest vote we have in this country, we just barely had an

(42:45):
inauguration and half the country thinks it's awful and the other half thinks it's great.
The vote that you have that matters more than any other vote is where you spend your money.

It's as simple as that. JANNINE (42:54):
100% 100%. You might have seen my Instagram post yesterday.
It's true. It's how you spend your money. A lot of people are hung up on the whole politics
and I'm like, "Now your wallet is where you vote." That's 100% especially when it comes to your
health and if you're mad about this FD&C, red number, whatever, not being pulled and the only

(43:20):
thing being pulled, it's like, "Don't buy this stuff. Don't just stop buying it."

JARED: Don't keep giving them their money. That's the thing. If they're poisoning you with one hand and then (43:24):
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healing you with the other, that's not. We talked about energy. I know you are a believer in energy
and chi and all of these different things because I've heard you speak about these things.
And I am too. I really believe that the energy with which the supplement is actually created

(43:49):
matters. What's the intention of the person that's actually developing that product? Are they
intending to help the people they sell it to? Or are they intending to confuse the person with
their marketing pitch and sell them whatever they can for the least amount of money so that
they can make the highest margin possible. And that matters because even if a company is putting

(44:09):
at a good quality product, I'll say quote unquote good quality product, if the energy behind the
product is not a healing energy, I think that actually matters. That might sound woo woo to some

people, but I think there's something to it. JANNINE (44:20):
Absolutely, absolutely. I'll be in exchange in
all of these different realms. And that's why, you know, the more I learned, the more I'm starting
to move towards, you know, independently owned brands, folks who aren't selling out because,
that's the number one thing I say to folks, you know, you know, a lot of the big supplement companies,

(44:42):
but you don't know who owns them, you know, Nestle and pure encapsulations for one of them,
you know, just just thinking about that, not that I don't recommend it in a pinch, but
But the energy there is something to think about, like you said.
Yeah, it's not the same as it once was, you know,
when the people that started it were in there,
and usually, in most cases, I think doing it for the right reasons.

(45:06):
And so even if they don't change the formula,
the formula has changed to some degree, right, energetically speaking.
And again, just ethically, where do you want your money to go?
And that's a shame because some of these brands are fantastic brands.
I loved new chapter, pure encapsulations of great brand.
And, you know, and one other little rule of thumb for consumers, if you're looking at

(45:28):
a product and you're wondering if it's good, do that Google search.
Who owns pure encapsulations?
Who owns solar A?
Who owns nature's way?
Whatever it is.
And then once you figure out who owns them, if it's obvious and you see Pfizer or Nestle,
you know, you know right there, okay, this isn't a company that's concerned about my
health.
But if it's not obvious, it's GSK this or, you know, well, that's a drug company.

(45:52):
But, you know, it's not obvious.
It's some, you know, initial thing.
Look behind the initials.
Figure out who actually owns it and what are they doing with the company.
Because I'm happy to work with a company that has a board of directors.
That's fine.
If the people behind the company and what they've proven to me over the years is that
they actually are trying to produce legitimately good products.

(46:15):
But as much as possible, exactly what you said, Jannine.
I'm looking at the independent company.
I'm looking at a company that's still owned
by the people that started it.
I'm looking at the company that's in the second
or third generation.
I love those brands.
Those are the brands that I gravitate towards.

JANNINE (46:31):
Awesome, awesome.
In fact, you know, we gotta tell folks
about how they can find your brand.
We gotta talk about the Vitality Radio Podcast.
We gotta talk about all these things
so that folks can see like what you stand behind.
'cause I'm sure it would take a little bit
to list off all the different brands that you have.
And folks can just go to your website in general.
But this is the thing.

(46:52):
I think we're moving towards an era
where folks are waking up.
They're realizing like we've been duped
on a lot of different things.
And knowing who, having someone that they can trust
that's choosing, curating what they have in their shop,
in their online store, it's important
because I think the trust has really been blown

(47:14):
on many levels with natural medicine
in addition to regular medicine.
It's--

JARED: Yeah. (47:20):
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And especially in the last four or five years, right?
I mean, there's a lot of people that
we're trusting a lot of things that they don't trust anymore.
The landscape has been kind of blown wide open.
And we're talking about pills, but the red pill
has been swallowed by a lot of people over the last several
years.
And the problem is you can get very, very bitter,

(47:42):
you can get angry, you can lash out,
you can do all these things,
none of which are healthy for you.
Or you can become just more informed
and you can do the right thing based on the understanding
that you have for you and your family's health.
And so I think that's really the biggest key.

(48:03):
Maybe the way this conversation has ended up going anyway,
'cause there's other things that we could talk about
be coding wise, but I think the biggest key is to make sure that you are focusing on what
you can control, not what you can't.
Government agencies are going to do what government agencies are going to do.
Pharmaceutical companies are going to do what they're going to do, but you get to choose

(48:25):
what you do, what you put into your body, where you choose to buy it and who you choose to
buy it from.
And as you become informed, then you can make really, really great decisions on that.
And so the, so as far as, you know, my stuff goes, vitality nutrition is like I say an
independent health store.
We've been around for 47 years in bountiful Utah.

(48:46):
I'm sure you have listeners here in Utah.
We'd love to meet you and come in and visit us in person.
We have our website, which is vitalitynutrition.com.
And you and I have a mutual friend, Melissa Vogel from Bomb Mom Podcast.
I was on her show.
And then you were on her show.
Well, you were on her show and then I was on her show.
Now I'm on your show.
And one of the things that she really liked

(49:07):
from my interview on her show was that we do this
for our website people as well as our local people.
If you have a question about what you're buying
and you're looking online, you have two options
that are always open to you.
We have a chat feature.
You can talk to a real human being and is not AI, I promise.
They gave us the option of AI,
but we've chosen to get away from that.

(49:28):
So you're gonna actually end up talking to me
my son about 95% of the time. He's been working with me for 10 years and is very, very well
versed in this stuff. And we're happy to chat with you. It isn't always instant because
it's just two of us and we're running a business. But you'll always get back to you. Or if you
want something a little more instant, give us a call. You know, 801-292-
6662 is the phone number and a real human being that has real answers will be more than

(49:54):
happy to answer the phone and help you out. And so that way, if you are looking on the
site and you're trying to figure out which one's better for me or which one's better for my child
or whatever it is, then you have a real human being that's willing to answer that question and
we're always happy to do that. As far as education on supplements, about two years ago, two and a

(50:16):
half years ago, maybe it is now, I was on a podcast called the Just Ingredients Podcast. I don't know
if you're just reading it. I'm Carl and I've become, for instance, then I've been on our show a few
times. But what I realized is from talking to a lot of her listeners is that there are a lot of
people that need this conversation. How do I tell if I've got a good supplement? So my podcast

(50:40):
over the last couple of years has shifted very much towards supplement education. My little tagline
that I use at the very beginning of my show is Welcome to Vitality Radio, where we help you master
natural supplements enhance your emotional vitality and thrive without the use of pharma
drugs. And that's what my show is. As much as possible, I'm going to find help you find

(51:03):
natural things that will help you get away from the need for a pharmaceutical or prevent the need
for a pharmaceutical. And we work not just on the physical health, but also mental emotional
health. We have a whole series of shows called emotional vitality, where we talk about what we
need to know about what's going on in the back of our minds, the subconscious that might be holding
this back from achieving our health goals, that kind of thing as well. And I talk a lot

(51:27):
about supplements. Like I say, I've got the magnesium users guide. I've got something
I call my vital five because a lot of people ask me, well, where do I start? And it's like
the universal question, you know, what, because you already said, my five or six things, I'm
at 200 bucks, you might even get the right five or six things. Is it worth the 200 bucks?
It's a great question. These are all really valid questions. And so years ago, I came

(51:48):
up with the vital five, which are the five supplements that I believe most American adults
would benefit from supplementing on a daily basis. And if you cover your bases with those
five, then you've got most of the things that you probably are at least deficient in because
America is deficient in them, basically. And then beyond that, you can look at your own

(52:11):
health needs. You know, you also dealing with this or that or the other. And if you are,
then of course you can look at supplements for those specific needs. But the final five
episodes that I've done on my show have been really, really popular. I'm curious,
Jannine, I'm going to quiz you. What do you think the vital five is?

JANNINE (52:26):
We know Magnesium is in there. It's definitely going to be in there. Some form of
omegas of some sports are going to be in there. My other thought would be, I kind of like,
you know, and this is in vitamin D, I got to go there too. Vitamin D is in there,
at least for a decent amount of people in my world.

(52:46):
And then the last two for me are a little like where I get in the weeds
because I think too much on individual needs.
Yeah. So I'm going to be lost after those three.

JARED: Well, you nailed it. Magnesium is my number one. (52:57):
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I always tell people if I don't know who you are,
you send me an email. I don't know your age, your gender,
your health status, or anything else about you.
And you say, I'm only willing to take one supplement, Jared.
what's it going to be? I'll say magnesium because everybody's deficient in it and it plays a role in

(53:17):
300 different enzymatic processes, 800 different biological processes. It's just such a crucial
element. And so it's the biggest no-brainer of the vital five, I think. Omega 3s are huge. Most
of us aren't getting enough. I personally prefer a good clean fish oil, but there's other four
sources of Omega 3 that work as well. Vitamin D is included, but it's stealth in my vital five,

(53:40):
because I have a great multivitamin as part of my vital five and a great multivitamin has a
bunch of vitamin D in my opinion. And I always say a great because I have an episode of my podcast.
One of my most popular episodes is called Centrum Sucks. You can imagine what it might be about,
but Centrum, the most sold multivitamin in the country, also owned by Pfizer. I don't know if

(54:05):
people know that is not a good supplement. It is a multivitamin, technically. That's about as
much as we can say about it. So I always qualify multivitamin because the vast majority multivitamins,
in my opinion, are not good. But there are great multivitamins. I'm super biased. I have my own
cold ultimate vitality, multi. But there are good ones that have good high doses of vitamin D in there.

(54:27):
We also have probiotics because most people have had their gut beat up by antibiotics and a variety
of other things over the years. Now I don't necessarily consider probiotics and necessity for
everyone on a day in day out basis, but I think most people at least need to spend some time and
usually that's months or even years rebuilding their gut with probiotics. And I have a bunch of

(54:48):
episodes specifically on the different types of probiotics and why you might choose one over
another, that kind of thing. And then digestive enzymes is the one that always surprises people
because the research indicates that 30 to 35 years old in America, you are no longer putting out
as many enzymes as you need to digest your meals efficiently and to get all the nutrients out of

(55:08):
your food that you're trying to get. Most people don't even understand exactly what digestive enzymes
do. And once you understand what they do, and I will dare say, once you experiment with them,
you'll recognize that in most cases they're actually pretty experiential and make a big difference.

Do I have time to tell a quick story? JANNINE (55:25):
Absolutely. JARED: Are we up against the clock? JANNINE

JARED: So I got married a year ago. My anniversary was two days ago and my wife and I met those seven (55:31):
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years ago. Both of us were coming out of a pretty tough divorce. I don't know if there are non-tough
divorces, but we were both coming out of divorce and she was very sick. She had been diagnosed
up to that point with bipolar disorder, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia. They had tried

(55:55):
diagnosed with lupus twice. She was also diagnosed with IBS and it was pretty bad IBS. She had a
variety of other things going on when I met her and she was raised by a nurse who was very much a
you know traditional doctor or I shouldn't say I'll say western doctors. I think traditional is

(56:16):
more like what you're doing but western medicine doctors and pharmaceuticals and all this kind of
stuff. And when we met, we went out on a date and for our first date and we went to eat. And I
was eating my whole meal like I always do. And she was kind of just picking at hers, not getting
eating much. And I thought, well, maybe she just doesn't enjoy her meal. I'm not sure what's going

(56:36):
on here. So I asked, you know, did you not enjoy your meal? Are you okay? And she said, no, it's not
that I just every time I eat, I hurt. And later she explained to me that what that mint was, lots
cramping, bloating, and then usually running to the bathroom and having to get rid of what she
just ate. And it had gotten so bad that she was not eating very often, was actually losing weight,

(56:59):
she was in so much pain. And so I asked her if I could help. And because I said, I have
some solutions for that, I'd be more than happy to help you. And she said, you know, sure. And so
I got her a bottle of a formula that I developed called back on track, which is a combination of
very specific probiotics, digestive enzymes and herbs like ginger and peppermint and fennel and

(57:21):
things like that. And I gave her that bottle. Now, as a little warning to your listener base,
when you go out with a strange man on the first date, don't take supplements from him. No drugs,
no pills. No, that's a terrible idea. Even if your stomach really, really hurts. But really,
we did get it off the shelf at my store, where my regular customer shop, and I guess she felt

(57:46):
like it was saying. So I gave her a bottle back on track. She texted me the next day after lunch,
which is the first meal she ate that day. And she said, "This is the first meal I've eaten in years
that didn't hurt." And I always tell people, "It's back on track to help me find my wife."
That is our love story. Or at least that's the genesis of it. The rest of it's actually really

(58:09):
good, the rest of the story. But that's the part that I like to share because when people are not
super familiar with digestive enzymes, they don't recognize because the probiotics in there did not
help or feel good right then. Probiotics take time. The enzymes are what made the difference,
and that's still her favorite product, it's still the favorite formula I've ever developed.
So anyway, that's the vital five. And you know what I typically recommend people start somewhere

in that range anyway, depending on what's going on with their health. JANNINE (58:36):
I wouldn't argue that one
bit. I mean, the enzyme's been a game changer for me personally. And I know you're right. Like,
most people over 3540, there's some gut stuff and that's that'll get an immediate result over,
like you said, the probiotics and things and a multi seems to be one of those things that

(59:00):
helps on so many different levels, but it's so subtle that a lot of folks won't buy into it.
and that's the thing.
So I'm glad that you've got high dose of vitamin D in there
because if nothing else,
I think people buy into vitamin D over a multi
and something that they're getting it in there.
Genius, genius move.
Genius move.

JARED: And there's a lot of vitamin K in there (59:20):
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'cause you always want your vitamin K
with your vitamin D,
vitamin K2 and vitamin D.
But he's one of my other most popular shows
was the one where I talked about the relationship
between magnesium, vitamin K2 and vitamin D3
and how they work together.
And why if you're taking vitamin D,
you definitely need to be taking the others.
and really vice versa. So, so those are the types of things that I talk about is just as much as

(59:42):
possible helping you become a more informed consumer of natural supplements because there are a lot
of pitfalls. There are a lot of traps. There's a lot of marketing tons of you know influencers out
there pitching the newest hottest thing and saying they've been using it for years and it's changed
their life. And that's not always not true. But there's sub dubious marketing we'll say out there.

(01:00:04):
And not just that, but no also.
And this maybe is one of the other big things
that I think people need to pay attention to.
If you do hear all the big guys out there talking about it,
all the podcasters talking about it,
it doesn't mean it's a bad product.
In fact, I would dare say in many cases,
these guys can big promote anything they want.
And so I think in most cases, they actually

(01:00:25):
are promoting products that they believe in.
But they are being paid handsomely to do that.
And so also recognize if you're buying
from influencers, oftentimes you're paying,
even once they give you the, oh yeah,
use my code for 10% or 20% or whatever it is,
you're probably paying more than the supplement
is actually worth.

JANNINE (01:00:43):
Yeah, unfortunately, I mean, I'm pitched every day
by supplement companies that are,
I'm sure you are, and you probably laugh
because they're like, did you not read what I do?
But it's funny, 'cause yeah, they're like,
you can get 20% commission on,
I mean, it's a business.
It's a business and they realized if people talk about it,

(01:01:04):
it's cheaper than paying Zuckerberg for ads.
So we do have to be buyer beware here
and really understand what we're getting to.
And I mean, I keep telling folks back to grassroots,
back to the old vitamin stores,
back to exactly what you've got going on in independent folks.
These are folks where we want to really understand

(01:01:26):
what's that they aren't really understanding
what's going on and maybe, you know, you can talk to a live person.
Those are the companies I get behind.
If you can call tags, message, you know, whatever, I mean, it's a live person.
We're doing good.
So I like--

JARED: Well, I appreciate you saying that because I do think it matters. (01:01:41):
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I agree.
Whether it's me or somebody else, those are the types of businesses that more often than
not are in it for the right reasons.

JANNINE (01:01:51):
Yeah.
There's definitely not as many as I'd like.
But hey, you know what?
You guys got it covered.
So it's all good for now.
So guys, listen to the Vitality Radio Podcast.
This is Jared's podcast.
We're going to put it in the podcast notes at doctorjkrausend.com.
And then of course, we got to talk about how to find you in Utah again, because you

(01:02:12):
briefly mentioned it, but I want to make sure folks have the summary here of Vitality Nutrition,
where you're located in Utah and your website.
And we will put all that in the podcast notes at doctorjkrausend.com.

JARED: Thanks for helping me actually market better. (01:02:21):
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Appreciate that.
So in bountiful Utah, it's 107 South, 500 West,
right on the main drag in bountiful.
And so people in the area know probably where we're at,
we're just kind of kitty corner from Costco.
So when you're tempted to drive in there
for your supplements, maybe turn left instead of right.

(01:02:41):
And then again, phone number is 801-292-6662.
And you can hit us up on Instagram also
at Vitality Nutrition Bountiful.
We post a lot of good content there for you.
And of course, the podcast, as you mentioned,
is on all the major podcast players.
And we are just launching our YouTube channel finally.

(01:03:02):
Just put a first couple of videos up
in the last couple of weeks.
And so, Apple Spotify, whatever, Vitality Radio podcast.
And what I would say is,
oh, one other thing I will mention,
if you are on Facebook, we have a Facebook listeners community
a lot of people have really gotten a lot of help with as well.

(01:03:23):
There's close to 700 people in there.
And a lot of people asking questions about, you know, what's worked for you for this?
What's worked for you for that?
That kind of thing.
It's a great little growing community where there's a lot of really positive energy and
support and the people that belong to that community have absolutely loved it.
And it's a lot of supplement talk.
So if you're really trying to get educated on supplements, it's a good place to be.

JANNINE (01:03:43):
Love it.
Thank you so much for what you're doing.
It helps us out because now I can be like, you want to learn more?
you just go over to Jared's website and you can learn all you want.
And that would save me time of having to educate.
So thank you.

JARED: Awesome. Thank you. (01:03:56):
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Appreciate your time and having me on and invitations there for you to come
and talk about what you're doing on Vitality Radio.

JANNINE (01:04:05):
We will definitely talk some Chinese medicine for sure.
So stay tuned for that folks.
We'll make sure we promote on both angles there.
All right, Jared, have a great day.

JARED: Excellent. You too. Thank you so much. (01:04:14):
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