May 14, 2025 • 42 mins
In this conversation, Dr. Jannine Krause sits down with Jennifer Brower as she shares her personal journey through chronic illness, including Lyme disease, mold toxicity, and the aftermath of COVID-19. She discusses the challenges of misdiagnosis and the emotional toll of navigating the healthcare system. Jennifer emphasizes the importance of finding the right healing modalities, building a supportive community, and advocating for oneself in medical settings. She also highlights the significance of emotional health and the need for personalized approaches to wellness.
We dive deep into:
🌿 The hidden dangers of mold and why it’s often overlooked
🦠Jennifer’s winding path through chronic illness and what finally helped
🔥 The healing role of ozone therapy, infrared saunas, and holistic medicine
✨ Why following your intuition is non-negotiable in your healing journey
📘 Her new book The Silent Killers — a must-read for patients and caregivers
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Jennifer’s story is one of resilience, hope, and fierce determination to not only survive—but thrive.
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Chapters:
00:00
Introduction to Silent Killers
09:47
Jennifer's Health Journey Begins
16:32
The Role of a Support System
24:21
Nervous System and Healing
30:45
Preparing for Doctor Visits
41:28
Exploring Raindrop Therapy and Community Support
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ABOUT JENNIFER C. BROWER:
Jennifer holds a degree in Communications & Public Relations from Florida State University and is a licensed commercial real estate broker. But after her own health collapsed, she channeled her passion into wellness advocacy. She now uses her voice to educate others about chronic illness, environmental toxicity, and the power of integrative healing.
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📚 Grab Jennifer’s Book: The Silent Killers — A handbook for navigating mold, Lyme, and chronic illness - https://silentkillersbook.com/
Follow Jennifer: https://jennifercbrower.com/
Connect with us: The Health Fix Podcast - @drjanninekrause on Instagram
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(00:00):
Hey, health junkies.
On this episode of the Health Fix Podcast, I'm
interviewing Jennifer C.
Brower.
She's a fifth generation Floridian.
She's a wellness advocate and the author of The Silent Killers.
In her book, she shares her courageous journey navigating Lyme disease, mold toxicity,mercury poisoning, and the aftermath of the COVID-19 virus.
(00:23):
Wow, lots of years of misdiagnosis and an emotional toll with
a lot of invisible lines.
What Jennifer experiences is something I see quite often in my office.
And so it is great to hear that she has created a book that is much like a handbook forfolks to really understand the hidden dangers of mold and why it's overlooked, to
(00:45):
understand the winding crazy path of chronic illness and how it is common to have manymisdiagnoses, along with docs that may be frustrated trying to help you and
Unfortunately, a lot of folks are getting passed off and that's not cool.
And this is where Jennifer comes in and we talk about ozone therapy.
(01:06):
We talk about infrared saunas.
We talk about how her pool is like her lifesaver for her and how she loves getting intowater and that's her best nervous system reset.
I know I talk a lot about that in the podcast in terms of.
how you can find what works for you.
And she definitely talks through all the different things she's tried and what worked forher and what didn't.
(01:28):
And hey, you know what?
We're all on our own journey to figure out what's going on with us.
We're all individual.
And so I hope that this podcast gives you a little sense of things you can do if you'refeeling stuck, things you might want to try, but also if you know anyone that is really
dealing with
chronic illness or not getting answers to why they're experiencing multiple differentsymptoms that maybe don't seem to go together, you want to check out this podcast and then
(01:55):
look into Jennifer's book, The Silent Killers.
All right, well, I've talked her up.
Let's introduce you to Jennifer C.
Brower.
(02:17):
Jennifer Brower, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.
Hi, thank you for having me.
It's great to be here.
Hey, no problem, no problem.
This is exciting for me.
I have been checking out your book.
It's definitely a resource that a lot of my patients are going to love.
Silent Killers, know, these are things that I see every day in my practice as we'reworking with mystery illness, but also working with what seems to be as women get older
(02:43):
and go through perimenopause, menopause, it almost seems like that combined with thingsthat show up.
all kind of come down on someone all at the same time.
So give us a little background in terms of, mean, I'm looking at this and going, Lymedisease, mold toxicity, mercury poisoning, coronavirus, long haul, all that kind of stuff.
(03:04):
A lot of folks are like, how can it be possible that a body could have that many thingsgoing on?
And obviously you're here, you're here to show us that that is a thing.
So how did...
How did this start for you?
How did the process start to come about?
What was going on in your life at that time?
So I was bitten by a spider actually in Southwest Florida in 2007.
(03:28):
And I had some reaction to it and I was training for a half marathon thinking I was gonnago for a run.
I was actually out of town celebrating my 10th wedding anniversary.
And needless to say.
The celebration did not exactly go as planned and I just, I kind of was immobile for acouple days and you know, I think a lot of it was...
(03:53):
the panic from a spider that bit me in the middle of the night.
So I just hit it and killed it.
And the next morning I woke up and I was like, I told my husband, I can't move.
Something's way wrong with me.
so I was familiar with brown recluse spiders and it wasn't that because it didn't leave amark.
And I...
(04:14):
You know, was like I said, super healthy.
I was a big runner, played tennis and some businesses and I had three young kids and youknow, like I said, I was celebrating an anniversary and.
my body kind of my immune system seemed to shut down for a couple days.
(04:34):
But then once we got back home in Northeast Florida, you know, my immune system seemed tokick back in and I got back into, you know, running and whatnot.
And so and then unfortunately,
And this happens quite a bit and people don't understand that that your immune system cankind of, you know, handle one thing at a time.
(04:57):
And I unfortunately had a traumatic experience happen about 10 years later.
And also at the same time, there was mold in my house and I didn't know it.
And so like all of sudden my immune system was not working.
So I
I was trying to figure out what was going on and because I live in Northeast Florida MayoClinic is literally five minutes from my house so I was going there and I just kept
(05:30):
getting misdiagnosed and they kept trying to put me on psych meds and things that you Iwas like no you don't get it like I'm having these crazy weird sensitivities and wasn't
sleeping it was really
very catastrophic and I was trying to figure out, what's in my body that I can get rid of?
(05:52):
And so that's where the mercury came in because I decided maybe, you know, my immunesystem not working because I have mercury amalgams, you know, it was kind of during that
era that that people started becoming aware of the dangers of having mercury amalgams.
So I had those taken out and I had them taken out by a doctor who told me exactly
(06:13):
yes, I know exactly how to do it, but what happened was as he was removed, I had sevenmercury amalgams and as he was removing them, I ingested it through my nose because he
didn't put oxygen on me.
so it settled right here in my forehead.
I called the doctor later that day, because I was telling my husband, my God, something'slike super way wrong again.
(06:35):
that we called the doctor and said, could you have had nerve root?
Could you have done something?
And he was like, well, if I did, then it'll go away.
it didn't.
So I juicing and doing everything I could, thinking, OK, I got to get rid of the mercury.
But as you know, being a doctor, once you start on that path of trying to clean out yoursystem, it starts picking up other things.
(07:02):
as well, right?
So I met with a dietitian who said, okay, you need to be juicing and you need to havecilantro in there and that'll help with the mercury.
And then you need to have like a binding agent and just, you know, it was overwhelming.
It was absolutely overwhelming, but I just thought, okay, where do I start?
(07:24):
Right?
You have to get rid of the mold.
It was in my house.
And I live
in a 1937, my house was built in 1937.
It wasn't the original part of the house that had the mold in it.
It was part that somebody else had added and didn't do the right job adding.
And so that's where the mold happened to be.
(07:45):
But.
Yeah, so I was really bombarded and and had Mayo Clinic sent me to their Rochester officeThe Lyme disease would have been found immediately, but they didn't know what that you
know, Didn't and so I just was Being misdiagnosed for many many years on that.
So Yeah, it took a toll but you know through so many different practices
(08:09):
and modalities I was able to, you know, kind of work back into a healthy life and ahealthy lifestyle.
But it took many, many, many years and a significant amount of money to do it.
And so that's why I wrote the book.
I wrote the book so other people wouldn't suffer as long and maybe like let's do ashortcut for you to learn and get the correct diagnosis faster so you know how to handle
(08:38):
it.
It's absolutely crucial to speed up the process because so many people are suffering for along time really not knowing or kind of being brushed off.
Like you said, you had first been given psych meds.
Now in your journey, you, because I'm guessing back then internet wasn't, there wasn'tTikTok and the internet and whatnot.
(09:01):
How were you getting information?
Did you have?
you know, a functional medicine like doctor, because even back then that wasn't a thing asmuch.
How did you end up learning?
What did you do?
So we there in our community, there is a actually world renowned autism doctor and shesaid, yeah, I'm gonna take you on and we're gonna figure this out.
(09:26):
And she has, you know, hyperbaric chambers, very for thinking as far as like doing vitaminIVs and whatnot, because I started going down the alignment path of doing, I've had two
ports, one on one.
side and then once it died I had to go get another one because I was like you know doingall these antibiotics and that you know because that's what everybody said when I started
(09:53):
figuring out Lyme it was like oh you need to do this route like you know as Dr.
Jemsick I mean all these really well-known doctors that I was you know trying to talk toand do their protocols but it was all antibiotics you know and that just deteriorated my
gut.
so that's when I started going, okay, what are other ways to get rid of it?
(10:16):
Like raindrop therapy, you know, and then.
Most people that have dealt with a serious illness, you know, there's other componentsthat go with it So I started doing work with the emotion code trying to figure like get
rid of okay What's trapped in my body that I don't know about?
So I started working with emotion code practitioners to help me figure out things that maybe stuck and I so I that's why the so like so the so
(10:45):
second half of my book is written by practitioners that I worked with.
So I talk about, you I have them talk about working with me and then, you know, why the,what the importance is of, you know, sweating to detox things out of your body and juicing
to put good things into your body.
You know, Chinese medicine, acupuncture, massage therapy, exercise, you know, I just
(11:12):
I just asked all these people who kind of became my health team to please write abouttheir experience and why their specialty aided in my healing.
It's very, I like to hear that you had a team because I think it's very common for folksto think with our society and how medicine works is that there's one pill, there's one
(11:34):
treatment, there's one thing that's gonna solve their problem and I will see a lot ofpeople that come to my clinic and go, wait, you want me to do this, this, this and this?
Speak to how all of these different things that you found helpful were really synergisticfor you.
So like I found somebody who did...
the therapies with.
(11:54):
essential oils and working with essential oils and your nervous system and you know, theyshe or her testing system with the zygote and it was amazing how essential oils started
helping in my healing process and just helping bring clarity back because it's such alonely road.
It's such a lonely road because you feel like you're so singled out and you don't knowwhich way to turn and
(12:21):
so you start, you look at things, or I started looking at things thinking, okay.
I've got to get come back to more natural healing because all these other things are notworking.
And I had three young kids, you know, so it was like, I was not planning on, and I wasextremely sick.
And I was like, I, there is not going to be a stepmother in this picture.
(12:44):
Do you know?
I was like bound and determined.
I was going to figure it out because I, I didn't want somebody else raising my kids, youknow, and you, you, and you kind of have.
to like grab on to something like that to grab the strength and say I'm gonna figure thisout and yeah do I do create you know did I do some things that were that seemingly a
(13:05):
little crazy like you know I found that in deal you know dealing with different modalities
and adding different modalities really was helpful.
And so I traveled quite a bit and I did the doctor hop because a lot of people do thedoctor hop.
And that's what you have to do to really figure out what works.
And so I started learning about different modalities that I could do on myself.
(13:31):
with magnet, know, like using magnets and I didn't understand that magnets could be abalance your body and you know, the importance of keeping a pH balanced body.
So that's why I started juicing and started using magnets and started, you know, doingthings that people were like, what are you talking about?
You know, but when you, when, when you kind of add all those modalities together, you canstart balancing your system back again.
(13:59):
and then you start getting the strength.
It was hard to write that book because you so want to just close the chapter.
You know what I mean?
You just want to be like, OK, I'm done with all of that.
But then I thought.
I was so close to not making it and I felt so lonely and I had a loving family and I hadall these things but I still felt like nobody got it and I felt like, you know...
(14:27):
I had to live, I had to make it, and I had to get back to not just being, but like beinggood, right?
And so I just kept searching and that's why I went back and went through that book and itbrought back a lot of different sadness and loneliness and...
(14:48):
desperate thinking and I thought, okay, like I need to let people know that it's okay tonot be okay, but to figure out why you're not okay.
You know, and it was when I got COVID, it brought the fear back of, my God, is the Lymedisease back?
And because COVID knocked me sideways and I got it before it was a thing.
(15:12):
You know, so I had bronchitis, sinusitis, all these things.
so, you know, unfortunately COVID does kind of, you know, it takes a toll on your immunesystem.
So some people do have some symptoms come back of things that they have healed from, asyou know.
So, and.
(15:33):
I won't even go too far into that, but you can still use some of those modalities that Iused with Lyme disease and mold toxicity to heal from COVID and go back and rebuild your
body again.
And that's what you have to do.
You just have to.
take the panic mode out of it because I would be that person calling you a hundred timessaying, I'm feeling this, I'm feeling this, I'm you know and and I and I understand it now
(16:03):
and I I'm able to take deep breaths through it and go okay just hold on.
You haven't lost your mind.
You know, it's the simplest things like misplacing your car keys.
You know, it used to send me in a tizzy thinking, my God, okay, because I was so sick andI didn't, you know, I was so hard to keep up with everything.
And that was something that I wanted to be able to explain to people that it is a processand it was a journey and you can get through it, but
(16:31):
You somehow have to separate the fear factor out of it.
Absolutely.
The fear is something I see.
Like you're saying, the patient who calls me multiple times in a day maybe portal messagesme multiple times in a day.
For an average doctor, that's probably overwhelming if you don't understand when someone'sin panic mode and the fear.
(16:52):
And this is something that I loved about what you highlight on in your book because somany people...
will get into fear mode and its desperation mode to find I'm gonna try to find the thingthat works.
I'm gonna try to find that thing that works.
When you were finding yourself there, it sounded like you had to kind of slow yourselfdown.
Is this where emotion code work came into play and kind of helped you to go, okay, this isgonna be, everything's gonna be okay?
(17:17):
What were some of the nervous system tools?
that you use to kind of help you to realize that, okay, you know, I'm not gonna go all theway back.
I can control this, all of that.
it's.
I am more than grateful that I live near the ocean and I actually have a saltwater pool.
And so when my nervous system really started wiggling out, I found out by getting insaltwater and literally decompressing my body and I could get out of the panic mode
(17:47):
because I could ground myself.
if, whether it was put my feet in the grass, I would lay in the grass.
I would do the
craziest things to ground myself because I did have to find I've got to calm down so I canthink through it and let the fear kind of, you know, dissipate a bit so you can kind of
(18:10):
come back into reality.
Because when the fear mode takes over, then you are, you become incapacitated again.
And then it's the worry.
And then, you know, that I went so many months with not sleeping.
There were so many things about my central nervous system that created wreaked havoc onme.
(18:30):
And I found by exercising, by swimming, by infrared saunas, that I could start dissipatingsome of that.
it would calm my central nervous system down.
And I was working with a doctor who had been a Navy pilot and he was still active in theNavy.
And we came up with this concoction of using a dive tank.
(18:55):
with 59 % oxygen and 41 % nitrogen.
And that combination, I could put my dive tank on, get in my pool, and like literally swimaround the bottom of my pool for 10 minutes.
And it would have been like being in a hyperbaric chamber for over an hour.
But I've gotten exercise.
(19:16):
I've got the salt water.
I'm...
getting rid of the pain and so you know you just start figuring out the craziest thingssometimes to to really be able to
Go out and hug a tree basically and just get grounded enough that you can think throughthings because it is the panic that sends your nervous system deeper into a state of
(19:39):
non-healing, right?
So if we calm it down enough to think, okay, what do I need to do today?
What do I need to do?
And you start taking it more moment by moment versus panic.
Oh my God, I've got this and I've got that.
mean, it is essential to find a balance of peace, whatever that looks like for you.
(20:03):
You know what I mean?
think all the time about people who live in big cities and are surrounded by wifi and 5Gand all these other things.
And I think to myself, I just am gonna go and do a deep dive into water somewhere,somehow.
So I stay wet a lot.
I still stay wet a lot.
(20:24):
Because that is my piece.
Everybody has a different...
I say find your modality that works for you and utilize it, whatever it may be.
because then all the other pieces of the puzzle can start coming together.
A motion code was so essential and people hadn't really heard about it at the time.
(20:44):
It wasn't a big thing and now more and more doctors are using it because it helps withcancer patients, it helps with getting out traumas that we have stuck in our memories that
we don't even know are there.
Yeah, it's very fascinating, the nervous system and its interplay here.
(21:08):
And one of the things I think about in terms of the nervous system and mystery illness,silent illness, things of that nature, is our connection to others.
And it sounds like you had a very supportive family, but what about friends?
What happened in that department?
I think a lot of people I find in my practice tend to end up with friends on forums thatare in the...
(21:29):
similar situation that may or may not be the healthiest place to find friends.
So give us some advice there.
okay, so I have a super dear friend who's married to a doctor and
Her children were the same age as my children and she really stepped in and really wassupportive.
So if I started having, you know, a panic attack or whatever was going on, I wouldliterally go outside and I would be able to, you know, have her nearby and I could be
(22:01):
like, okay, I'm like freaking out and I'm having this panic attack and I, you know, butyour, your friend base becomes so.
arrow.
You know, and as far as support groups, I didn't do the support group thing.
And that's because of the, I didn't want to think I had that symptom.
I didn't want to, you know, hear other people's symptoms and think, my God, do I have thattoo?
(22:26):
so I didn't do the support group thing.
A lot of people need it.
I now have a support group through, you know, silent kill.
we do have a community, but you know we don't, we really do not thrive on the negative.
It's more the positive, what's going on, you know, just really.
(22:46):
elevating people to a new place.
Whether it's through meditation, which is extremely helpful.
There's so much science about meditating and thinking about healing yourself, healing yourbody, replacing nerve endings that you feel like are on.
edge all the time.
I do a lot of work with that and it is so interesting because I've had it was veryinteresting.
(23:09):
had a lot of people ask me about my chapter about attitude of gratitude and thinking thatI was following a certain modality and it was I had multiple podcasts people asked me if I
followed this particular Dr.
Joe Dispenza because of my attitude of gratitude and I was like it was crazy because
it was like that thing of three you know I was talking to a lady in London and she said ohwow do you follow Dr.
(23:37):
Joe Dispenza?
No and then you know talking to somebody in California asked me the same question talkingto somebody in South Florida again and then all of sudden it pops up and I get this I see
this event Dr.
Joe Dispenza in Nashville Tennessee and I was like
I can't believe this is all happening, but I'm going.
I'm just going to go.
(23:58):
I just did it.
And that was an amazing opportunity.
And then I went to another one that he had, and I witnessed other people healing.
And it's through positive energy, positive vibrations, giving out love.
And you know,
My family was scared because I went downhill really fast.
(24:22):
the go-get-em mom.
I was the head of the whatever my kids needed.
I was that mom.
I was the mom taping all the lacrosse sticks together so the team could get on a plane andtravel or whatever.
And then I wasn't.
And then it's everything you do to just think, OK.
(24:44):
I gotta get out of bed and function today.
And so, you know, just that whole mindset, it's just mind boggling to have it hit you sohard and so fast and have people say, you know, you can't have Lyme disease, you live in
Florida.
Well, you know what?
I got it from a spider bite.
And it wasn't even until I had started,
(25:05):
following Anthony Williams, the medical medium, who said, yeah, spiders can cause it.
mean, a mosquito, you can get it from a number of sources.
And I just was like, okay, I need to let people know that, right?
It's not always a bull's-eye rash.
So.
So that's, you know, it's a part of just like getting the word out, right?
(25:26):
And so people can come find people like you that can help them and say, okay, this is whatI recommend.
and it's, it's a matter of,
not being afraid to ask the questions.
And like you said, I didn't have internet.
I couldn't Google things.
So I was writing down all my symptoms.
And I was writing down.
(25:46):
So I'm trying to get in to see these doctors.
And I'm trying to explain to the nurses what's going on with me.
so that was hard.
You know, now these days when you get something, you've got Google and then you kind ofcan try to start figuring it out a lot faster.
(26:06):
Yeah, yeah, you did a lot of the groundwork, you know, pre-work for a lot of people withyour book, Silent Killers, for sure, because I think so many people, even this day, know,
we can get lost in the Google search.
We can get lost.
Now I have patients that'll come to me and say, asked chat GPT what my symptoms were.
you know, here we are, AI is happening.
(26:27):
And so it's, you know, it's interesting, but at the same time,
You know, I think you have a lot of positive words that I've seen in terms of notidentifying with all the symptoms, just being aware that they're there and bringing them
to the doctors.
And so when, someone right now is going, know what, Jennifer, this sounds definitely likeme.
(26:48):
Maybe I'm, I do need to go get some help here, but I've been pinging on chat GPT andGoogle and all the other things.
What would you say for someone that needs to prep for going into the doctor?
someone, you know, even just their primary care as their first step, or if they do have aspecialist in their area, what kind of information have you found to be the most
(27:08):
beneficial to provide to a provider that moves the needle the most for you?
You know, you've got to really understand like how you feel.
Like I felt short-circuited.
I felt like my central nervous system was short-circuiting.
And so I would literally, know, Epson salt baths, best friend.
You know, like I said, I get grounded by being in water.
(27:29):
So sometimes that's where you have to do like you I would Get so overwhelmed that I'd belike, okay I've got to get my head under water so I can think straight and I know a lot of
people don't have that ability but a lot of people do have bathtubs so there's just youknow, you have to figure out what What works for you and how to best explain it because at
(27:50):
least now there's enough
knowledge out there that, I mean, when I was going through it.
People just thought I was crazy.
And you know, I got so skinny and I was so frail.
And I mean, I really did look like I was going down.
But you've got to keep that fire lit in you, right?
(28:10):
And somehow you've got to find a way to get outside of all.
the other craziness that's going on because you have to find you and all the craziness.
And when you're trying to talk to a doctor, you know, I would go in and I would have theselists of, okay, this is what I'm dealing with, this is I'm dealing with.
you know, the sleep deprivation thing was definitely one of the worst aspects of what Idealt with, for sure.
(28:37):
but through exercise and even though I didn't have a ton of energy, but you know, even ifyou walk around the block, right?
And just get out and...
You know, I tell people all the time, don't keep your Wi-Fi modems in your bedroom.
Don't, you know, it's like, and simple things, simple things that, you know, I have, youknow, I have everything in my house hardwired because I want to be grounded.
(29:04):
So, you know, it's one of those things that...
You can like start figuring out what bothered you, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth.
people, what they don't understand is when your central nervous system is wreaking havoc,it's because it's inflamed.
So when you have an inflamed system,
the best thing you do is try to get grounded because you need the inflammation to go down,right?
(29:28):
And so that's why you try to put the best nutrients in, whether it's juicing, anythingthat will help the inflammation go down will help the pain decrease.
And as the pain decreases, your central nervous system calms down.
Yep, less input of panic from the nervous system.
Absolutely key.
Yeah, and I think that that's what happens too is like, you like you said, people aregoing on these websites and they're like, oh, I have this, I have this, I have this, you
(29:58):
know, that I didn't want to label.
I didn't want to label.
I just wanted to figure out why am I buzzing all the time?
Why am I, why is this happening?
Why is, so, you know, even in the book,
I've never referred to something as my blank because I don't own it, right?
(30:18):
I don't want to own it.
And so I still don't want to own it.
So that's why I say what the disease or the issue is, but don't own it because it's harderto get rid of if you do own it, right?
Yeah.
100%.
100%.
Yeah, if you're wearing the t-shirt and, you know, as I call it, the wearing the t-shirtand talking about it over and over again, yeah, you become it.
(30:40):
And this is something that I think for a lot of people, it's hard to think about.
We want to bring the attention, but at the same time, we want to heal.
And this is something that you're doing a great job of really.
I think that, you know, when people start, they want to, you know, talk about it, it's,they always want to start way back in the beginning.
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And I'm kind of like, okay, we fast forward to today.
So we can, cause if we can get to today and I can help you get to tomorrow.
But if you keep talking about what yesterday and last year and all that.
And I think that's where emotion code really came into play for me because it really, youknow, brought out some stuff that I had no idea that was kind of stuck in my memory.
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Because you know how it is, people can do this because that's what they're thinking andgoing and, but if they don't do that and they just move into today, you can heal so much
faster because you're not.
looking in the past, you're not.
And, you know, I'll tell you, when I got COVID, all of these fears came back from havingLyme disease.
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And, you know, because I had so much of the same symptomatology.
And that's where you have to just really break the pattern.
and change it up and get outside and not be so consumed with electronics and constantlyresearching.
I mean, I'm not saying don't research, but I'm just saying that that can take you into adeeper rabbit hole than you need to go in.
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Sometimes ignorance is bliss, you know?
wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly, think you're absolutely 100%.
I have found that most folks who maybe do some research but do not spend 24-7 every wakinghour on information do tend to be able to live their life a little bit more and yeah, can
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find some peace because really, like you said, it does come down to finding what yournervous system is looking for for soothing.
Right?
And making, you know, and finding joy in something, right?
Because you, you feel like shit.
I'm not saying that you feel great, but I'm saying if you can find a little bit of joyevery day and doing whatever it is that makes you happy, then...
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take that and then every day do a little bit more of it because our bodies can heal whenwe're not under stress.
And if we're stressing ourselves out because we're constantly, you know, researching orlooking into something or, you know, deep diving, it's you, you are allowing our central
nervous system to have peace, right?
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And be able to like,
you know, deal with things.
This is a simple silly thing, but I'll tell you, I used to, you know, I like flying from aconference or something and I'd be, and I'd literally be buzzing from flying and just all
the energy around and whatnot.
and I would come home and the first thing I would do is take off all my clothes and get inthe pool.
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And I don't care if it was midnight, I was being out there until I could get my centralnervous system to calm down.
You know, I've taken Epsom salt baths at 3 a.m.
in the morning because I'm like, why am I feeling this?
And you know, you just figure it out and you take all those little pieces and you keepputting them together.
Right?
And that's what you do.
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And we're all different.
And all of our pieces look different.
But the concept is still having, finding joy.
and finding love and taking that and implementing it into whatever it is that you'redealing with and trying to remove the stress to allow ourselves to heal and think positive
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thoughts and think about, I'm going to rebuild those nerves.
I'm going to rebuild something that's not working properly and you're manifesting the goodthings.
And when you start manifesting good things, good things really start happening.
And that's when you feel more joy and you feel more healing.
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and healing is the key.
Absolutely, absolutely.
My goodness, we've got to tell folks about your book.
We've got to tell folks how they can get some of this wisdom because I think, you know,right now we are in a mode of search for a lot of people and healing.
We've heard about manifesting.
We've heard about joy, gratitude, all of these things.
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But I think we are still at a state where people haven't tested it enough.
to see the benefit and the long lasting benefits of stacking and putting it together dayby day, just like you're describing.
So let's talk about your book, Jennifer.
Let's tell everybody where they can find you and how they can engage with you to just, Iwould say, glean some of that positive energy.
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So, you can buy the book from jennifersabrower.com.
Go to my website.
I'll tell you this in my book.
there's scan me codes.
So because I tried to go into a lot of detail on the science and the different testing andmold testing and line testing and all that.
And when I found out from the publisher how much it you know I had everything in colorbecause then it's you can identify it easier.
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But then I found out the cost of what it would be to print the book in color.
I was like oh my God no one's gonna be able to afford that.
That's not that's not gonna be it.
So anyway in my book at the end of certain chapters you'll
little scan me codes and if you do scan it with your phone it will take it to my websiteand you can read more of the science.
So that way it takes you deeper into a part that maybe you need to see, somebody else thatneeds to all that.
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you can find it at jenniferseabrower.com, you can join the community, you can be a part ofus and we have so
many different people that help, different practitioners that are helping through ourcommunity because that's what you need.
You need to look at it from various modes and different insights.
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And people have different gifts and you have to tap into what resonates with you.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And this is, you know, in a state where we now have a lot of folks with their customprograms and their, I shouldn't say custom programs, they're custom to the person, not to,
to whoever is putting them out there, not to the people.
And this is where I get a little leery because like you said, we are all unique.
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We have unique things that help us.
And if we're following a cookie cutter program, that might not be the best thing.
We want to look and find out what's going to work best for us.
And I'm guessing you found that too out there with some of the cookie cutter programs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you that's even on podcasts.
It's so interesting because people are like, you're trying to sell me.
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you need enzymes.
Well, I need you you need to get on my protocol for enzymes.
And I'm thinking, well, you don't know that if I need enzymes or not.
And that's, that's something else that I talk about in the book is don't be takenadvantage of by some somebody that, you know, they see you as,
dollar signs versus reality.
the magic pill isn't always magic.
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So that's why you have to find what works best for you.
Something that works for me may not work for the next person.
I might take a bunch of magnesium because it helps me.
That doesn't mean it's gonna be good for somebody else.
Absolutely, I think this particular population at chronic illness, mystery illness isextremely susceptible to the, you know, this is going to solve all your problems.
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This is going to be the fix that you need.
you know, it's one of the things that I've wanted to highlight with my podcast is thateveryone is unique and it's refreshing to hear someone who's been through it.
you know, explain that yeah, there isn't this one program that saved me.
There isn't this one modality that saved me.
It's experimenting, dipping your toes in literally, and finding out what worked best foryou.
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And it sounds like taking really good notes on yourself as well.
for sure.
And you know, like when I go to conferences, if there's a pool nearby or some kind ofwater, you should see me.
I literally will be a part of the conference.
And then if there's a break, I'm in the water, right?
And we go back into the conference.
I might have on dry clothes and a ball cap, but I've like grounded myself so I can go backinto the energy.
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So it's, know, like I said, you just have to find what works for you.
And then
continue that and you know hopefully it's something natural so hopefully it's somethingthat's grounding and you know like like I said it's a matter of trying to find that
internal joy because it's hard to deal with people who are just really negative all thetime and then they wonder why they're stuck.
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you know, it's a matter of becoming unstuck.
and being open and and and that's why I had so many practitioners write in the bookbecause I wanted people to see you know see maybe it resonates with someone right maybe
somebody resonates with raindrop therapy or maybe somebody resonates with gosh maybe Ineed to boost my immune system by doing this or whatever it may be so that's why there's
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so much information in such small amounts
of pages because I really want to just like I didn't I just wanted to be not like a fastaction book but a fast action
opportunity to heal.
Absolutely, absolutely.
I have one last question before we sign off for this podcast.
What is raindrop therapy?
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I don't know it.
okay, so raindrop therapy is utilizing like.
frankincense, myrrh, all these natural oils that are out there.
And then the therapy is actually utilizing the oils in a layered basis so they can go intoyour immune system.
It's often administered like on your spine and on the bottom of your feet and it goes intoyour immune system and it will heal.
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whatever may be in there, like if there's a fungus or an infection, it's utilizing naturaloils to help your body heal.
Yeah, so I have a person in my book that talked about raindrop therapy and why it works,so yeah.
so many cool things out there and I think this is what I also wanted to highlight just byasking you about raindrop therapy was that, like you said, you have to just look and see
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what resonates with you.
I, like you, will find the water.
Some people don't love water.
So it's a matter of seeing what lights you up, what works, and going for it.
So.
Gosh, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on and chatting with me.
This has been a delight.
So there it is, Silent Killers, guys.
sign the colors and it's like I said you can go to jennifersleevebrower.com which has abunch of depth information of course you can always get it off of Amazon but you know like
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I said I wanted to keep the book pretty precise and inexpensive because I wanted people tobe able to afford to get it and read it and whatever way they needed to because it's so
important.
all the different information in there.
So, but thank you so much for having me.
It's been such a pleasure and I really, really appreciate this opportunity.
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So thank you for allowing me to share.
I look forward to chatting with you again in the future because I think this can be veryrelevant for my community.
Thanks again.
All right, let's do it.
Thank you.
Have a great day.
Hey, health junkies.
On this episode of the Health Fix Podcast, I'm
interviewing Jennifer C.
Brower.
She's a fifth generation Floridian.
She's a wellness advocate and the author of The Silent Killers.
In her book, she shares her courageous journey navigating Lyme disease, mold toxicity,mercury poisoning, and the aftermath of the COVID-19 virus.
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Wow, lots of years of misdiagnosis and an emotional toll with
a lot of invisible lines.
What Jennifer experiences is something I see quite often in my office.
And so it is great to hear that she has created a book that is much like a handbook forfolks to really understand the hidden dangers of mold and why it's overlooked, to
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understand the winding crazy path of chronic illness and how it is common to have manymisdiagnoses, along with docs that may be frustrated trying to help you and
Unfortunately, a lot of folks are getting passed off and that's not cool.
And this is where Jennifer comes in and we talk about ozone therapy.
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We talk about infrared saunas.
We talk about how her pool is like her lifesaver for her and how she loves getting intowater and that's her best nervous system reset.
I know I talk a lot about that in the podcast in terms of.
how you can find what works for you.
And she definitely talks through all the different things she's tried and what worked forher and what didn't.
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And hey, you know what?
We're all on our own journey to figure out what's going on with us.
We're all individual.
And so I hope that this podcast gives you a little sense of things you can do if you'refeeling stuck, things you might want to try, but also if you know anyone that is really
dealing with
chronic illness or not getting answers to why they're experiencing multiple differentsymptoms that maybe don't seem to go together, you want to check out this podcast and then
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look into Jennifer's book, The Silent Killers.
All right, well, I've talked her up.
Let's introduce you to Jennifer C.
Brower.
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Jennifer Brower, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.
Hi, thank you for having me.
It's great to be here.
Hey, no problem, no problem.
This is exciting for me.
I have been checking out your book.
It's definitely a resource that a lot of my patients are going to love.
Silent Killers, know, these are things that I see every day in my practice as we'reworking with mystery illness, but also working with what seems to be as women get older
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and go through perimenopause, menopause, it almost seems like that combined with thingsthat show up.
all kind of come down on someone all at the same time.
So give us a little background in terms of, mean, I'm looking at this and going, Lymedisease, mold toxicity, mercury poisoning, coronavirus, long haul, all that kind of stuff.
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A lot of folks are like, how can it be possible that a body could have that many thingsgoing on?
And obviously you're here, you're here to show us that that is a thing.
So how did...
How did this start for you?
How did the process start to come about?
What was going on in your life at that time?
So I was bitten by a spider actually in Southwest Florida in 2007.
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And I had some reaction to it and I was training for a half marathon thinking I was gonnago for a run.
I was actually out of town celebrating my 10th wedding anniversary.
And needless to say.
The celebration did not exactly go as planned and I just, I kind of was immobile for acouple days and you know, I think a lot of it was...
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the panic from a spider that bit me in the middle of the night.
So I just hit it and killed it.
And the next morning I woke up and I was like, I told my husband, I can't move.
Something's way wrong with me.
so I was familiar with brown recluse spiders and it wasn't that because it didn't leave amark.
And I...
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You know, was like I said, super healthy.
I was a big runner, played tennis and some businesses and I had three young kids and youknow, like I said, I was celebrating an anniversary and.
my body kind of my immune system seemed to shut down for a couple days.
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But then once we got back home in Northeast Florida, you know, my immune system seemed tokick back in and I got back into, you know, running and whatnot.
And so and then unfortunately,
And this happens quite a bit and people don't understand that that your immune system cankind of, you know, handle one thing at a time.
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And I unfortunately had a traumatic experience happen about 10 years later.
And also at the same time, there was mold in my house and I didn't know it.
And so like all of sudden my immune system was not working.
So I
I was trying to figure out what was going on and because I live in Northeast Florida MayoClinic is literally five minutes from my house so I was going there and I just kept
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getting misdiagnosed and they kept trying to put me on psych meds and things that you Iwas like no you don't get it like I'm having these crazy weird sensitivities and wasn't
sleeping it was really
very catastrophic and I was trying to figure out, what's in my body that I can get rid of?
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And so that's where the mercury came in because I decided maybe, you know, my immunesystem not working because I have mercury amalgams, you know, it was kind of during that
era that that people started becoming aware of the dangers of having mercury amalgams.
So I had those taken out and I had them taken out by a doctor who told me exactly
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yes, I know exactly how to do it, but what happened was as he was removed, I had sevenmercury amalgams and as he was removing them, I ingested it through my nose because he
didn't put oxygen on me.
so it settled right here in my forehead.
I called the doctor later that day, because I was telling my husband, my God, something'slike super way wrong again.
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that we called the doctor and said, could you have had nerve root?
Could you have done something?
And he was like, well, if I did, then it'll go away.
it didn't.
So I juicing and doing everything I could, thinking, OK, I got to get rid of the mercury.
But as you know, being a doctor, once you start on that path of trying to clean out yoursystem, it starts picking up other things.
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as well, right?
So I met with a dietitian who said, okay, you need to be juicing and you need to havecilantro in there and that'll help with the mercury.
And then you need to have like a binding agent and just, you know, it was overwhelming.
It was absolutely overwhelming, but I just thought, okay, where do I start?
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Right?
You have to get rid of the mold.
It was in my house.
And I live
in a 1937, my house was built in 1937.
It wasn't the original part of the house that had the mold in it.
It was part that somebody else had added and didn't do the right job adding.
And so that's where the mold happened to be.
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But.
Yeah, so I was really bombarded and and had Mayo Clinic sent me to their Rochester officeThe Lyme disease would have been found immediately, but they didn't know what that you
know, Didn't and so I just was Being misdiagnosed for many many years on that.
So Yeah, it took a toll but you know through so many different practices
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and modalities I was able to, you know, kind of work back into a healthy life and ahealthy lifestyle.
But it took many, many, many years and a significant amount of money to do it.
And so that's why I wrote the book.
I wrote the book so other people wouldn't suffer as long and maybe like let's do ashortcut for you to learn and get the correct diagnosis faster so you know how to handle
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it.
It's absolutely crucial to speed up the process because so many people are suffering for along time really not knowing or kind of being brushed off.
Like you said, you had first been given psych meds.
Now in your journey, you, because I'm guessing back then internet wasn't, there wasn'tTikTok and the internet and whatnot.
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How were you getting information?
Did you have?
you know, a functional medicine like doctor, because even back then that wasn't a thing asmuch.
How did you end up learning?
What did you do?
So we there in our community, there is a actually world renowned autism doctor and shesaid, yeah, I'm gonna take you on and we're gonna figure this out.
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And she has, you know, hyperbaric chambers, very for thinking as far as like doing vitaminIVs and whatnot, because I started going down the alignment path of doing, I've had two
ports, one on one.
side and then once it died I had to go get another one because I was like you know doingall these antibiotics and that you know because that's what everybody said when I started
(09:53):
figuring out Lyme it was like oh you need to do this route like you know as Dr.
Jemsick I mean all these really well-known doctors that I was you know trying to talk toand do their protocols but it was all antibiotics you know and that just deteriorated my
gut.
so that's when I started going, okay, what are other ways to get rid of it?
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Like raindrop therapy, you know, and then.
Most people that have dealt with a serious illness, you know, there's other componentsthat go with it So I started doing work with the emotion code trying to figure like get
rid of okay What's trapped in my body that I don't know about?
So I started working with emotion code practitioners to help me figure out things that maybe stuck and I so I that's why the so like so the so
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second half of my book is written by practitioners that I worked with.
So I talk about, you I have them talk about working with me and then, you know, why the,what the importance is of, you know, sweating to detox things out of your body and juicing
to put good things into your body.
You know, Chinese medicine, acupuncture, massage therapy, exercise, you know, I just
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I just asked all these people who kind of became my health team to please write abouttheir experience and why their specialty aided in my healing.
It's very, I like to hear that you had a team because I think it's very common for folksto think with our society and how medicine works is that there's one pill, there's one
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treatment, there's one thing that's gonna solve their problem and I will see a lot ofpeople that come to my clinic and go, wait, you want me to do this, this, this and this?
Speak to how all of these different things that you found helpful were really synergisticfor you.
So like I found somebody who did...
the therapies with.
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essential oils and working with essential oils and your nervous system and you know, theyshe or her testing system with the zygote and it was amazing how essential oils started
helping in my healing process and just helping bring clarity back because it's such alonely road.
It's such a lonely road because you feel like you're so singled out and you don't knowwhich way to turn and
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so you start, you look at things, or I started looking at things thinking, okay.
I've got to get come back to more natural healing because all these other things are notworking.
And I had three young kids, you know, so it was like, I was not planning on, and I wasextremely sick.
And I was like, I, there is not going to be a stepmother in this picture.
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Do you know?
I was like bound and determined.
I was going to figure it out because I, I didn't want somebody else raising my kids, youknow, and you, you, and you kind of have.
to like grab on to something like that to grab the strength and say I'm gonna figure thisout and yeah do I do create you know did I do some things that were that seemingly a
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little crazy like you know I found that in deal you know dealing with different modalities
and adding different modalities really was helpful.
And so I traveled quite a bit and I did the doctor hop because a lot of people do thedoctor hop.
And that's what you have to do to really figure out what works.
And so I started learning about different modalities that I could do on myself.
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with magnet, know, like using magnets and I didn't understand that magnets could be abalance your body and you know, the importance of keeping a pH balanced body.
So that's why I started juicing and started using magnets and started, you know, doingthings that people were like, what are you talking about?
You know, but when you, when, when you kind of add all those modalities together, you canstart balancing your system back again.
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and then you start getting the strength.
It was hard to write that book because you so want to just close the chapter.
You know what I mean?
You just want to be like, OK, I'm done with all of that.
But then I thought.
I was so close to not making it and I felt so lonely and I had a loving family and I hadall these things but I still felt like nobody got it and I felt like, you know...
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I had to live, I had to make it, and I had to get back to not just being, but like beinggood, right?
And so I just kept searching and that's why I went back and went through that book and itbrought back a lot of different sadness and loneliness and...
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desperate thinking and I thought, okay, like I need to let people know that it's okay tonot be okay, but to figure out why you're not okay.
You know, and it was when I got COVID, it brought the fear back of, my God, is the Lymedisease back?
And because COVID knocked me sideways and I got it before it was a thing.
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You know, so I had bronchitis, sinusitis, all these things.
so, you know, unfortunately COVID does kind of, you know, it takes a toll on your immunesystem.
So some people do have some symptoms come back of things that they have healed from, asyou know.
So, and.
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I won't even go too far into that, but you can still use some of those modalities that Iused with Lyme disease and mold toxicity to heal from COVID and go back and rebuild your
body again.
And that's what you have to do.
You just have to.
take the panic mode out of it because I would be that person calling you a hundred timessaying, I'm feeling this, I'm feeling this, I'm you know and and I and I understand it now
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and I I'm able to take deep breaths through it and go okay just hold on.
You haven't lost your mind.
You know, it's the simplest things like misplacing your car keys.
You know, it used to send me in a tizzy thinking, my God, okay, because I was so sick andI didn't, you know, I was so hard to keep up with everything.
And that was something that I wanted to be able to explain to people that it is a processand it was a journey and you can get through it, but
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You somehow have to separate the fear factor out of it.
Absolutely.
The fear is something I see.
Like you're saying, the patient who calls me multiple times in a day maybe portal messagesme multiple times in a day.
For an average doctor, that's probably overwhelming if you don't understand when someone'sin panic mode and the fear.
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And this is something that I loved about what you highlight on in your book because somany people...
will get into fear mode and its desperation mode to find I'm gonna try to find the thingthat works.
I'm gonna try to find that thing that works.
When you were finding yourself there, it sounded like you had to kind of slow yourselfdown.
Is this where emotion code work came into play and kind of helped you to go, okay, this isgonna be, everything's gonna be okay?
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What were some of the nervous system tools?
that you use to kind of help you to realize that, okay, you know, I'm not gonna go all theway back.
I can control this, all of that.
it's.
I am more than grateful that I live near the ocean and I actually have a saltwater pool.
And so when my nervous system really started wiggling out, I found out by getting insaltwater and literally decompressing my body and I could get out of the panic mode
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because I could ground myself.
if, whether it was put my feet in the grass, I would lay in the grass.
I would do the
craziest things to ground myself because I did have to find I've got to calm down so I canthink through it and let the fear kind of, you know, dissipate a bit so you can kind of
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come back into reality.
Because when the fear mode takes over, then you are, you become incapacitated again.
And then it's the worry.
And then, you know, that I went so many months with not sleeping.
There were so many things about my central nervous system that created wreaked havoc onme.
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And I found by exercising, by swimming, by infrared saunas, that I could start dissipatingsome of that.
it would calm my central nervous system down.
And I was working with a doctor who had been a Navy pilot and he was still active in theNavy.
And we came up with this concoction of using a dive tank.
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with 59 % oxygen and 41 % nitrogen.
And that combination, I could put my dive tank on, get in my pool, and like literally swimaround the bottom of my pool for 10 minutes.
And it would have been like being in a hyperbaric chamber for over an hour.
But I've gotten exercise.
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I've got the salt water.
I'm...
getting rid of the pain and so you know you just start figuring out the craziest thingssometimes to to really be able to
Go out and hug a tree basically and just get grounded enough that you can think throughthings because it is the panic that sends your nervous system deeper into a state of
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non-healing, right?
So if we calm it down enough to think, okay, what do I need to do today?
What do I need to do?
And you start taking it more moment by moment versus panic.
Oh my God, I've got this and I've got that.
mean, it is essential to find a balance of peace, whatever that looks like for you.
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You know what I mean?
think all the time about people who live in big cities and are surrounded by wifi and 5Gand all these other things.
And I think to myself, I just am gonna go and do a deep dive into water somewhere,somehow.
So I stay wet a lot.
I still stay wet a lot.
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Because that is my piece.
Everybody has a different...
I say find your modality that works for you and utilize it, whatever it may be.
because then all the other pieces of the puzzle can start coming together.
A motion code was so essential and people hadn't really heard about it at the time.
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It wasn't a big thing and now more and more doctors are using it because it helps withcancer patients, it helps with getting out traumas that we have stuck in our memories that
we don't even know are there.
Yeah, it's very fascinating, the nervous system and its interplay here.
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And one of the things I think about in terms of the nervous system and mystery illness,silent illness, things of that nature, is our connection to others.
And it sounds like you had a very supportive family, but what about friends?
What happened in that department?
I think a lot of people I find in my practice tend to end up with friends on forums thatare in the...
(21:29):
similar situation that may or may not be the healthiest place to find friends.
So give us some advice there.
okay, so I have a super dear friend who's married to a doctor and
Her children were the same age as my children and she really stepped in and really wassupportive.
So if I started having, you know, a panic attack or whatever was going on, I wouldliterally go outside and I would be able to, you know, have her nearby and I could be
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like, okay, I'm like freaking out and I'm having this panic attack and I, you know, butyour, your friend base becomes so.
arrow.
You know, and as far as support groups, I didn't do the support group thing.
And that's because of the, I didn't want to think I had that symptom.
I didn't want to, you know, hear other people's symptoms and think, my God, do I have thattoo?
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so I didn't do the support group thing.
A lot of people need it.
I now have a support group through, you know, silent kill.
we do have a community, but you know we don't, we really do not thrive on the negative.
It's more the positive, what's going on, you know, just really.
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elevating people to a new place.
Whether it's through meditation, which is extremely helpful.
There's so much science about meditating and thinking about healing yourself, healing yourbody, replacing nerve endings that you feel like are on.
edge all the time.
I do a lot of work with that and it is so interesting because I've had it was veryinteresting.
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had a lot of people ask me about my chapter about attitude of gratitude and thinking thatI was following a certain modality and it was I had multiple podcasts people asked me if I
followed this particular Dr.
Joe Dispenza because of my attitude of gratitude and I was like it was crazy because
it was like that thing of three you know I was talking to a lady in London and she said ohwow do you follow Dr.
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Joe Dispenza?
No and then you know talking to somebody in California asked me the same question talkingto somebody in South Florida again and then all of sudden it pops up and I get this I see
this event Dr.
Joe Dispenza in Nashville Tennessee and I was like
I can't believe this is all happening, but I'm going.
I'm just going to go.
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I just did it.
And that was an amazing opportunity.
And then I went to another one that he had, and I witnessed other people healing.
And it's through positive energy, positive vibrations, giving out love.
And you know,
My family was scared because I went downhill really fast.
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the go-get-em mom.
I was the head of the whatever my kids needed.
I was that mom.
I was the mom taping all the lacrosse sticks together so the team could get on a plane andtravel or whatever.
And then I wasn't.
And then it's everything you do to just think, OK.
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I gotta get out of bed and function today.
And so, you know, just that whole mindset, it's just mind boggling to have it hit you sohard and so fast and have people say, you know, you can't have Lyme disease, you live in
Florida.
Well, you know what?
I got it from a spider bite.
And it wasn't even until I had started,
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following Anthony Williams, the medical medium, who said, yeah, spiders can cause it.
mean, a mosquito, you can get it from a number of sources.
And I just was like, okay, I need to let people know that, right?
It's not always a bull's-eye rash.
So.
So that's, you know, it's a part of just like getting the word out, right?
(25:26):
And so people can come find people like you that can help them and say, okay, this is whatI recommend.
and it's, it's a matter of,
not being afraid to ask the questions.
And like you said, I didn't have internet.
I couldn't Google things.
So I was writing down all my symptoms.
And I was writing down.
(25:46):
So I'm trying to get in to see these doctors.
And I'm trying to explain to the nurses what's going on with me.
so that was hard.
You know, now these days when you get something, you've got Google and then you kind ofcan try to start figuring it out a lot faster.
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Yeah, yeah, you did a lot of the groundwork, you know, pre-work for a lot of people withyour book, Silent Killers, for sure, because I think so many people, even this day, know,
we can get lost in the Google search.
We can get lost.
Now I have patients that'll come to me and say, asked chat GPT what my symptoms were.
you know, here we are, AI is happening.
(26:27):
And so it's, you know, it's interesting, but at the same time,
You know, I think you have a lot of positive words that I've seen in terms of notidentifying with all the symptoms, just being aware that they're there and bringing them
to the doctors.
And so when, someone right now is going, know what, Jennifer, this sounds definitely likeme.
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Maybe I'm, I do need to go get some help here, but I've been pinging on chat GPT andGoogle and all the other things.
What would you say for someone that needs to prep for going into the doctor?
someone, you know, even just their primary care as their first step, or if they do have aspecialist in their area, what kind of information have you found to be the most
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beneficial to provide to a provider that moves the needle the most for you?
You know, you've got to really understand like how you feel.
Like I felt short-circuited.
I felt like my central nervous system was short-circuiting.
And so I would literally, know, Epson salt baths, best friend.
You know, like I said, I get grounded by being in water.
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So sometimes that's where you have to do like you I would Get so overwhelmed that I'd belike, okay I've got to get my head under water so I can think straight and I know a lot of
people don't have that ability but a lot of people do have bathtubs so there's just youknow, you have to figure out what What works for you and how to best explain it because at
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least now there's enough
knowledge out there that, I mean, when I was going through it.
People just thought I was crazy.
And you know, I got so skinny and I was so frail.
And I mean, I really did look like I was going down.
But you've got to keep that fire lit in you, right?
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And somehow you've got to find a way to get outside of all.
the other craziness that's going on because you have to find you and all the craziness.
And when you're trying to talk to a doctor, you know, I would go in and I would have theselists of, okay, this is what I'm dealing with, this is I'm dealing with.
you know, the sleep deprivation thing was definitely one of the worst aspects of what Idealt with, for sure.
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but through exercise and even though I didn't have a ton of energy, but you know, even ifyou walk around the block, right?
And just get out and...
You know, I tell people all the time, don't keep your Wi-Fi modems in your bedroom.
Don't, you know, it's like, and simple things, simple things that, you know, I have, youknow, I have everything in my house hardwired because I want to be grounded.
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So, you know, it's one of those things that...
You can like start figuring out what bothered you, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth.
people, what they don't understand is when your central nervous system is wreaking havoc,it's because it's inflamed.
So when you have an inflamed system,
the best thing you do is try to get grounded because you need the inflammation to go down,right?
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And so that's why you try to put the best nutrients in, whether it's juicing, anythingthat will help the inflammation go down will help the pain decrease.
And as the pain decreases, your central nervous system calms down.
Yep, less input of panic from the nervous system.
Absolutely key.
Yeah, and I think that that's what happens too is like, you like you said, people aregoing on these websites and they're like, oh, I have this, I have this, I have this, you
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know, that I didn't want to label.
I didn't want to label.
I just wanted to figure out why am I buzzing all the time?
Why am I, why is this happening?
Why is, so, you know, even in the book,
I've never referred to something as my blank because I don't own it, right?
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I don't want to own it.
And so I still don't want to own it.
So that's why I say what the disease or the issue is, but don't own it because it's harderto get rid of if you do own it, right?
Yeah.
100%.
100%.
Yeah, if you're wearing the t-shirt and, you know, as I call it, the wearing the t-shirtand talking about it over and over again, yeah, you become it.
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And this is something that I think for a lot of people, it's hard to think about.
We want to bring the attention, but at the same time, we want to heal.
And this is something that you're doing a great job of really.
I think that, you know, when people start, they want to, you know, talk about it, it's,they always want to start way back in the beginning.
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And I'm kind of like, okay, we fast forward to today.
So we can, cause if we can get to today and I can help you get to tomorrow.
But if you keep talking about what yesterday and last year and all that.
And I think that's where emotion code really came into play for me because it really, youknow, brought out some stuff that I had no idea that was kind of stuck in my memory.
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Because you know how it is, people can do this because that's what they're thinking andgoing and, but if they don't do that and they just move into today, you can heal so much
faster because you're not.
looking in the past, you're not.
And, you know, I'll tell you, when I got COVID, all of these fears came back from havingLyme disease.
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And, you know, because I had so much of the same symptomatology.
And that's where you have to just really break the pattern.
and change it up and get outside and not be so consumed with electronics and constantlyresearching.
I mean, I'm not saying don't research, but I'm just saying that that can take you into adeeper rabbit hole than you need to go in.
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Sometimes ignorance is bliss, you know?
wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly, think you're absolutely 100%.
I have found that most folks who maybe do some research but do not spend 24-7 every wakinghour on information do tend to be able to live their life a little bit more and yeah, can
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find some peace because really, like you said, it does come down to finding what yournervous system is looking for for soothing.
Right?
And making, you know, and finding joy in something, right?
Because you, you feel like shit.
I'm not saying that you feel great, but I'm saying if you can find a little bit of joyevery day and doing whatever it is that makes you happy, then...
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take that and then every day do a little bit more of it because our bodies can heal whenwe're not under stress.
And if we're stressing ourselves out because we're constantly, you know, researching orlooking into something or, you know, deep diving, it's you, you are allowing our central
nervous system to have peace, right?
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And be able to like,
you know, deal with things.
This is a simple silly thing, but I'll tell you, I used to, you know, I like flying from aconference or something and I'd be, and I'd literally be buzzing from flying and just all
the energy around and whatnot.
and I would come home and the first thing I would do is take off all my clothes and get inthe pool.
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And I don't care if it was midnight, I was being out there until I could get my centralnervous system to calm down.
You know, I've taken Epsom salt baths at 3 a.m.
in the morning because I'm like, why am I feeling this?
And you know, you just figure it out and you take all those little pieces and you keepputting them together.
Right?
And that's what you do.
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And we're all different.
And all of our pieces look different.
But the concept is still having, finding joy.
and finding love and taking that and implementing it into whatever it is that you'redealing with and trying to remove the stress to allow ourselves to heal and think positive
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thoughts and think about, I'm going to rebuild those nerves.
I'm going to rebuild something that's not working properly and you're manifesting the goodthings.
And when you start manifesting good things, good things really start happening.
And that's when you feel more joy and you feel more healing.
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and healing is the key.
Absolutely, absolutely.
My goodness, we've got to tell folks about your book.
We've got to tell folks how they can get some of this wisdom because I think, you know,right now we are in a mode of search for a lot of people and healing.
We've heard about manifesting.
We've heard about joy, gratitude, all of these things.
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But I think we are still at a state where people haven't tested it enough.
to see the benefit and the long lasting benefits of stacking and putting it together dayby day, just like you're describing.
So let's talk about your book, Jennifer.
Let's tell everybody where they can find you and how they can engage with you to just, Iwould say, glean some of that positive energy.
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So, you can buy the book from jennifersabrower.com.
Go to my website.
I'll tell you this in my book.
there's scan me codes.
So because I tried to go into a lot of detail on the science and the different testing andmold testing and line testing and all that.
And when I found out from the publisher how much it you know I had everything in colorbecause then it's you can identify it easier.
(35:58):
But then I found out the cost of what it would be to print the book in color.
I was like oh my God no one's gonna be able to afford that.
That's not that's not gonna be it.
So anyway in my book at the end of certain chapters you'll
little scan me codes and if you do scan it with your phone it will take it to my websiteand you can read more of the science.
So that way it takes you deeper into a part that maybe you need to see, somebody else thatneeds to all that.
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you can find it at jenniferseabrower.com, you can join the community, you can be a part ofus and we have so
many different people that help, different practitioners that are helping through ourcommunity because that's what you need.
You need to look at it from various modes and different insights.
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And people have different gifts and you have to tap into what resonates with you.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And this is, you know, in a state where we now have a lot of folks with their customprograms and their, I shouldn't say custom programs, they're custom to the person, not to,
to whoever is putting them out there, not to the people.
And this is where I get a little leery because like you said, we are all unique.
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We have unique things that help us.
And if we're following a cookie cutter program, that might not be the best thing.
We want to look and find out what's going to work best for us.
And I'm guessing you found that too out there with some of the cookie cutter programs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you that's even on podcasts.
It's so interesting because people are like, you're trying to sell me.
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you need enzymes.
Well, I need you you need to get on my protocol for enzymes.
And I'm thinking, well, you don't know that if I need enzymes or not.
And that's, that's something else that I talk about in the book is don't be takenadvantage of by some somebody that, you know, they see you as,
dollar signs versus reality.
the magic pill isn't always magic.
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So that's why you have to find what works best for you.
Something that works for me may not work for the next person.
I might take a bunch of magnesium because it helps me.
That doesn't mean it's gonna be good for somebody else.
Absolutely, I think this particular population at chronic illness, mystery illness isextremely susceptible to the, you know, this is going to solve all your problems.
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This is going to be the fix that you need.
you know, it's one of the things that I've wanted to highlight with my podcast is thateveryone is unique and it's refreshing to hear someone who's been through it.
you know, explain that yeah, there isn't this one program that saved me.
There isn't this one modality that saved me.
It's experimenting, dipping your toes in literally, and finding out what worked best foryou.
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And it sounds like taking really good notes on yourself as well.
for sure.
And you know, like when I go to conferences, if there's a pool nearby or some kind ofwater, you should see me.
I literally will be a part of the conference.
And then if there's a break, I'm in the water, right?
And we go back into the conference.
I might have on dry clothes and a ball cap, but I've like grounded myself so I can go backinto the energy.
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So it's, know, like I said, you just have to find what works for you.
And then
continue that and you know hopefully it's something natural so hopefully it's somethingthat's grounding and you know like like I said it's a matter of trying to find that
internal joy because it's hard to deal with people who are just really negative all thetime and then they wonder why they're stuck.
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you know, it's a matter of becoming unstuck.
and being open and and and that's why I had so many practitioners write in the bookbecause I wanted people to see you know see maybe it resonates with someone right maybe
somebody resonates with raindrop therapy or maybe somebody resonates with gosh maybe Ineed to boost my immune system by doing this or whatever it may be so that's why there's
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so much information in such small amounts
of pages because I really want to just like I didn't I just wanted to be not like a fastaction book but a fast action
opportunity to heal.
Absolutely, absolutely.
I have one last question before we sign off for this podcast.
What is raindrop therapy?
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I don't know it.
okay, so raindrop therapy is utilizing like.
frankincense, myrrh, all these natural oils that are out there.
And then the therapy is actually utilizing the oils in a layered basis so they can go intoyour immune system.
It's often administered like on your spine and on the bottom of your feet and it goes intoyour immune system and it will heal.
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whatever may be in there, like if there's a fungus or an infection, it's utilizing naturaloils to help your body heal.
Yeah, so I have a person in my book that talked about raindrop therapy and why it works,so yeah.
so many cool things out there and I think this is what I also wanted to highlight just byasking you about raindrop therapy was that, like you said, you have to just look and see
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what resonates with you.
I, like you, will find the water.
Some people don't love water.
So it's a matter of seeing what lights you up, what works, and going for it.
So.
Gosh, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on and chatting with me.
This has been a delight.
So there it is, Silent Killers, guys.
sign the colors and it's like I said you can go to jennifersleevebrower.com which has abunch of depth information of course you can always get it off of Amazon but you know like
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I said I wanted to keep the book pretty precise and inexpensive because I wanted people tobe able to afford to get it and read it and whatever way they needed to because it's so
important.
all the different information in there.
So, but thank you so much for having me.
It's been such a pleasure and I really, really appreciate this opportunity.
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So thank you for allowing me to share.
I look forward to chatting with you again in the future because I think this can be veryrelevant for my community.
Thanks again.
All right, let's do it.
Thank you.
Have a great day.
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