August 6, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode of the Health Fix Podcast, Dr. Jannine Krause chats with Reed Davis, a double board-certified holistic health practitioner and founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN). Reed shares his personal journey into holistic health, the origins of FDN, and why functional lab testing is a cornerstone for uncovering hidden health issues.
He explains his DRESS protocol—Diet, Rest, Exercise, Stress reduction, and Supplementation—as a comprehensive, client-centered framework for health optimization. Reed breaks down the concept of metabolic chaos, how it develops, and why conventional medicine often misses it.
The conversation dives into the critical role of behavioral changes, the supportive power of health coaches, and how AI in health can serve as a tool—without replacing the personalized connection between practitioner and client. Reed leaves listeners with actionable insights on continuity of care and the importance of taking charge of their own health journey.
Key Takeaways
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Reed Davis is the founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN), a global leader in functional lab testing education.
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Functional lab testing uncovers hidden imbalances and underlying causes missed by conventional medicine.
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The DRESS protocol focuses on:
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Diet
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Rest
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Exercise
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Stress reduction
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Supplementation
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Lifestyle medicine is essential for sustainable health results.
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Metabolic chaos describes the complex interplay of multiple health stressors and dysfunctions.
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Behavioral changes are the cornerstone of long-term health success.
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Health coaches provide the accountability and guidance clients need.
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AI in health is a powerful assistant but cannot replace human connection and personalized care.
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Clients must take ownership of their health to see lasting improvements.
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Episode Transcript
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Reed Davis, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.
Thank you, Janine, it's my pleasure to be here.
Well, I've been excited to chat with you because I see a lot of folks who have the FDNdesignation behind their names.
I talk with a lot of them in different groups I'm in, masterminds, things of that nature.
And I never knew who was behind all of FDN because I think for a lot of folks, we see, youknow, the functional diagnostic nutrition, like label between behind people's names.
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And we're like, okay, they've got this certification.
But I think a lot of people don't realize there's a guy.
behind this and there's a team.
And so I'd love for folks to really get to know you a little bit today and kind ofunderstand your background and where functional diagnostic nutrition kind of was born
from.
So give us the scoop.
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How did you first start becoming interested in health?
What was the first thing that set you thinking, this could be something I wanna dive into?
was in the 90s and I was saving the whole planet, air, birds, water, trees, bees.
I was in environmental law and conservation.
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And I saw how bad things were for the flora and fauna of the planet.
And I simply started to wonder about people like, well, what about us?
And I was in my 40s already and I was healthy, but I didn't want anything to sneak up onme.
Hmm.
I saw enough dead birds and fish and then my employers at the time were making a lot ofmoney doing that stuff and it seemed like that was their whole focus at some point where I
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thought they'd lost the mission.
Because I really like the animals and the world, know, just really trying to do a good jobon a mission.
So anyway, um
Then a friend of mine's father, who I was very close to, dropped dead of a heart attack orsomething.
And they kept saying, well, he was perfectly healthy.
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He was perfectly healthy.
And it just didn't seem like to me he could have been perfectly healthy.
So all that was going on, environmental law, conservation, saving the planet, working fora big company.
then at the same time, I was concerned about these things.
And I was taking my son,
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into a chiropractic wellness center.
He was a high school athlete.
And I started to just fall in love with that place.
he got seven varsity letters in four different sports.
He was a real, so I kept him, but I got a new career out of that, Janine, because Ifinally, after listening to the doctors in there talk about wellness and how the body
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works and the innate intelligence and things, I just said,
I want to work for you guys.
And I talked myself into a job.
And within a short period of time, I was running that whole office.
And I was also um interviewing every person walking in the door.
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And to make it short, I was just blown away by the number of people coming into thatoffice for alternative care.
was alternative versus their standard medicine.
And this is 20, what 26 years ago.
So, so it was really very distinct, alternative, standard.
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And I know there was some naturopathic and stuff going on at the time, but I didn't knowanything about it.
I just knew these people were.
caught in a cycle of trial and error.
were, they were trying anything desperate, searching for answers that they weren'tgetting.
And in a lot of cases, they've been told nothing's wrong with you, but they knew somethingwas, something's wrong.
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And so.
I realized the wheel, the hamster wheel they were on and going from one clinic to anotherand didn't want to just be clinic number nine out of 14 that they had to try.
And one thing I do a lot of is motorcycle riding, especially in the hills of SouthernCalifornia.
I just recently moved to Florida, but I was there for 40 years working in this clinic for10.
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So I stayed at that clinic for 10 years and
interviewing people, finding out how many things they tried, six, eight, 10 differentpractitioners.
And I just figured they were getting ripped off.
I really never been to a doctor.
I didn't know what the system was like, but I found out working with them.
And I just was out riding my bike one day and figured I'm gonna be the last person theyneed to see.
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Now you can laugh if you want to, it's okay.
Because I didn't know anything except how badly I wanted to serve this
You know, I saw an opportunity as much as I wanted to help them.
And so just thank God that I was able to run this alternative lab work.
So the doctors there let me just do anything I wanted really.
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I was pretty creative and very hardworking and sincere.
I really wanted to help.
And so I got to run all these labs and I ran thousands of labs on thousands of people.
I spent 10 years in that office doing just that.
face to face with Mrs.
Smith or Mr.
Jones or whoever's walking in the door.
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If they would spend the money on the labs, I'd run the labs and interpret them relative toeach individual person.
See, the doctors there laughed at me and said, you know, ha ha, you can't diagnose ortreat anything because you're not a doctor.
Reed, you're going to have to figure out what's really wrong with these people and thenteach them how to fix it.
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Mm-hmm.
Ten years later, I've made some observations.
I had good coaching, but I made a lot of my own observations about who got better and whodidn't.
You know, I could say some things that to your audience probably sound very obvious, butthe people working closest to the underlying causal factors were the ones that got well.
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Anybody who was just treating their symptoms, you know, the kind of diagnosis treatmentmodel, we're where they landed because that wasn't working for them.
And so after 10 years, people just started telling me I should be teaching.
And so in 2008, I started teaching the first FDN course ever.
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And oh that caught on.
The people who took my first course ever wouldn't go away.
And so now we have this whole community in, you know, I think 50 countries, thousands ofpractitioners I've taught.
And frankly, there's...
there's a portion of them are actually professionals actually doing the work.
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And that's probably who you've had on your podcast as guests, because they're realdo-gooders.
They're they're smart people.
And they went through my program, which is very, very robust, very, tough stuff for mostpeople.
Yeah, you know, I've seen, you know, in different specialties, different, you know,whether it's hormones, whether it's looking at, you know, celiac, gut stuff, you know, you
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name it.
Yeah, you definitely have folks who have a wide variety of specialties or there's alsogeneralists, much like myself when it comes to just helping with longevity and
optimization.
And that's one of the things I wanted to definitely kind of talk about today because
You know, before we hit record, we kind of chatted about what I see and what people say.
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And one of the biggest kickbacks I get from a lot of folks is, oh, you know, we're goingto optimize.
So that means we're going to run a whole bunch of labs that I don't necessarily need, andI'm going to spend a whole bunch of money.
And I'm like, no, no, no, that's it.
Let's step back here.
Because really what I've seen from your practitioners is that they're honing in on lookingat symptoms, what someone's presenting with.
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and then honing in on what can give us the most information that, you know, perhaps folkscome in with basic labs from docs and the docs are like, yeah, you're normal.
If we're lucky, we can see those basic labs and see where they're not normal.
ah In a lot of cases we can, but I think I would love to really kind of talk about yourthought process when it comes to seeing these folks and being the last clinic that you
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want them to ever be at.
Great.
how do we look at customization and optimization?
How do we see that lens and take it versus the symptom-based and band-aid-based model?
How do we bring it in?
What did you see with all of your experience and seeing all those folks that you're like,hmm, we do need some testing, we need advanced testing.
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I'll ping you on all these other things next, but what got you thinking about the testingand looking deeper?
You know, have to go back to the beginning and the first test I ever ran was to check forfood sensitivities because that was something that they'd never checked before.
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I had a lady come in the office and she was complaining of her, she was overweight, but itwas because of medication that she'd been on for two years and it made her fat.
And she was feeling really down about that and telling me the story how she'd just been toher physician who put her on that medication and told her she was sick and tired of the
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weight.
The weight was really getting her down, frustrating her because she was exercising andtrying to eat right.
And it didn't matter on this medication for the hives.
So medication for the hives.
And he told her, she said,
lady, you can be fat or can have the hives take your pet.
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And I'm sorry for laughing, but I was trying to get a word in edgewise because I thought Icould help her.
Well, maybe I can help you.
And she said to the doctor when he told her that, well, that's very depressing.
And he said, according to her, I can write you a prescription for antidepressants if you'dlike.
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Which just, you know, you know, you and your audience totally would get the, it's nothumor, but there's something strange going on here.
And when I finally asked her first name, why didn't you ever try to find out why you getthe hives?
Her head snapped around so hard, I thought, well, you're not gonna need your chiropracticadjustment today.
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know, she, what are you talking about?
So we ran some labs, found out she was very sensitive to some foods, like overlysensitive.
And as soon as she stopped eating them, she didn't get the hives anymore.
Now we got lucky, that was lucky because...
I've had other people with the hives and it didn't quite work out as well.
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So I discovered a lot by running these labs and learning that, you know, if you get itright, you can really help people who are very frustrated.
And within a very short period of time, she was off her medication.
I think it was only nine days.
She called her doctor and says, I'm not taking this medication anymore.
I found out why I get the hives.
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You know, what a concept, right?
And within a short period of time after
that Janine she said she was working out to a sweat and and taking hot showers which shehadn't done in two years because even on the medication
She would get the hives sweating and taking hot showers.
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And she started losing weight.
She was very, very happy.
And of course, that's very heartwarming to a practitioner.
You feel like you're a real genius, you know?
But it makes you feel great.
So I learned very early on, if you can get it right, that you can really help people bystaying focused on underlying causal factors.
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And diet and foods is one of them.
oh
Then it started running hormone testing, because most of the patients were women in thatage group.
And around that time, 2001, the NIH study, the Women's Health Initiative, determined thatthey would end this eight-year study after only five years, because the medication, was
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like Premarin plus progestin, was making them worse.
It was creating...
worse than if you just had your hot flashes and night sweats.
know, like this was uh good for the bones, but for everything, caused heart conditions andall kinds of things.
So the study came out and it was really dramatic.
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It was quite a turning point in the world of hormones.
And that's back when uh doctors didn't know what to do.
There was no alternative for them.
Eventually the bioidenticals came out and people started understanding natural hormonesbetter.
So I was there when a lot of these things were going on, running labs and labs and labsand labs.
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I ran way too many on some people.
If they'd pay for a lab, I would run the lab.
But I had to eventually, first of all, I made certain observations that a lot of that wasnot useful, waste of money.
So I boiled it down to just a few simple tests.
And I'm gonna answer your question about some of my
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Graduates who are practitioners now, they focus in on certain areas, but that's not how Iteach them.
I teach them a very broad way of looking at hormones, the immune system, digestion,detoxification, energy production, nervous system balance.
So it's really a broad, because that's what I learned in the office.
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10 years, you learn a few things.
And I ran all the labs and I identified these patterns that are
there for most people, it's never just one thing.
There's no one causal factor.
Matter of fact, back then we all had the handle root cause, root cause.
We look for the root cause.
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Well, sometimes there isn't one.
There's never just one.
And they're having an effect on each other that aren't even measurable.
There's just not enough labs.
I recognize this pattern, hormone immune digestion, detoxification, energy production,nervous system was there for almost every person.
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That spells hidden by the way, H-I-D-D-E-N.
So it's cute too.
And uh so that pattern, just run these.
And then their chronic downward spiraling degenerative condition, you can see enough ofthe causal factors.
to have an effect and that effect is brought about, that's the other half of what FDNs do.
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So we can fix almost anything that's chronic downward spiraling degenerative if there'stime, if there's time for the body to heal.
If it's really contracted, that's when doctors with their medicine are actually quiteuseful.
know, the, the observations we make, HIDDE, and you need time to capitalize on thoseobservations and you need the person to behave in such a way that they live themselves out
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of the problems that they've
actually lived themselves into, usually over a long period of time.
And so that's what I teach, H-I-D-D-E-N, and then all the epigenetic factors that willactually make changes and they can get well, stay well, use it for longevity and
anti-aging and all this stuff.
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That's how you live.
It's called D-R-E-S-S.
And that's diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction, supplementation.
If you've had one of my graduates on, I know they talked about hidden stressors and thedress program.
And then most of the practitioners, just for kind of, it's kind of a marketing and whatyou love to do aspect, you niche.
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And usually they're niching.
according to what their own personal problem was.
And so people come to, I hope I'm answering this question correctly.
So yeah, it's a very uh wide spectrum.
The approach is to look for as many healing opportunities as you can identify withmultiple labs, not this many, but this many labs, oh identify enough causal factors to...
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understand how to sort that person out.
We call it sorting out, I'm sure you heard this term from them, metabolic chaos.
So we don't have a medical diagnosis.
It's just there's medical, there's uh metabolic chaos.
Here's how you can sort it out.
And then you can niche according to whatever your favorite group of people is.
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If it's menopausal women or irritable bowel or gut or migraines or skin or whatever it is.
Even children, there's ADD, ADHD, I've had remarkable.
by cleaning up their problems.
So the niching thing, the fact that they're each kind of specialized doesn't mean they runless labs all the time.
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They'll still run our basic labs because they want to address each causal factors and seewhat shakes out.
And it shakes out real well.
You know, I'm glad you explained that for us because it's good for folks to know like whatsomeone with the FDN designation can do for them, what's kind of the background, but also
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the component of when we're working with someone, diagnosis isn't necessary, that's forinsurance.
And that's something I like folks to really hear.
It's more like what's out of balance?
What do we need to help repair or optimize or get working better, whatever terms you wannaput there.
I, you know, with any condition, and I'd love to hear your opinion when folks do go intodifferent niches and whatnot, we're really looking at it as, yes, there's this big
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overarching problem that someone's coming in for, but like you had noticed, there's thehidden factors that are all at the underlying stoop that's brewing underneath this.
Am I getting it right as to how you get to know?
that's what I observed over a 10 year period running thousands of labs and thousands ofpeople.
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Man, if you're looking for that one root cause, guess what?
There's studies that say that root cause could have disappeared.
You'll never find it because it doesn't exist anymore.
But the downward spiral, metabolically, the things that changed are kind of burned in andthe cause is gone.
Whether it was...
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some mental, stressors, some chemical stressors, some injury or assault or something likethat.
It's sort of gone, but the downward spiral is still there.
uh Like, you know, if you get really stressed out enough, you know that your catabolic,anabolic goes out of balance.
You get catabolic.
Well, then the body's actually breaking down.
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Your sex hormones are the next thing to go because they're in the steroidal family.
ah Then after that is your immune system.
that starts to break down a little bit.
But now you've got a dysbiosis, so the gut is now involved.
And you can see how the dominoes fall when you run just a few labs, some saliva, urine,stools, little blood.
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And boy, you can discover an awful lot.
That way you're not practicing medicine, like...
pre-diagnosis, you the clinical diagnosis, then you run a lab to back it up.
yeah, pat myself on the back, it's your thyroid.
You know, it's never just your thyroid.
You know, there's nothing wrong with your thyroid.
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It's actually responding appropriately to the type and amount of stress that you're under.
And so we have to look upstream pretty far sometimes.
and again come up with multiple healing opportunities and then apply the principles ofhealing, the principles of health building in our epigenetic program, the lifestyle
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medicine program.
Let's talk about that, you know, for a minute because I think a lot of folks, you know,it's hard.
We have the Western Medical, you know, conglomerate, let's call it that, you know, andthat's, you know, magic pill, one thing, surgery, you know, we've got that type of thought
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process and then we have the whole type of process and one thing you mentioned earlier isabout taking time, time to heal, time to get the body back in order and a lot of people
are like,
I want it now, I want it yesterday.
I want the quick fix.
And what I'm hearing from you is how important it is to look at lifestyle, how importantit is to look at these different things.
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And I would love to hear kind of your theory on lifestyle, know, because everyone'shearing moderation, be strict, do this, do that.
Give us a little bit of your principles you're teaching for lifestyle for folks and how tooptimize.
Sure, well thanks for the opportunity because this is where the rubber meets the road.
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For an FDN practitioner, the labs are important, but it's being able to coordinate thelabs with a unique individual.
We call it clinical correlation.
So the labs are explaining why they feel so lousy.
and you've identified the healing opportunities, here's what needs improvement.
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And it could be the hormones, the immune system, digestion and detoxification.
So there's multiple areas and the body wants to heal.
There's an innate intelligence, it wants to get better.
You wanna nurture that while you find the obstacles to healing and...
uh
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remove them the best you can, the body will heal.
So we need time for that to occur.
And it's really important that you understand
Rather than treating a specific thing, you can have a better overall outcome by justtreating everything non-specifically.
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So diet and rest and exercise and stress reduction and supplementation, those five things,oh have an effect on every cell, tissue, organ, system, the entire organism just gets
better.
Again, you're nurturing normal function, innate intelligence, while you're identifyingobstacles to healing.
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Hopefully they're not too much in the mind and emotions of the person.
You're actually finding real obstacles, parasites, bacteria, funguses, viruses, foodsensitivities, chemicals, and all these things, plus trauma, some known, some unknown.
But for me, if I had one thing, uh it would be old injuries from...
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having such a well-used body.
You know, I've just done so much crazy stuff, high-risk type sports and things.
um So aches and pains have the same effect on the body as, let's say, chemicals, you know,or emotions.
uh Your body doesn't care what kind of stress it is.
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It's going to react pretty much the same way the hormones, the immune system, digest andso on.
So we know what the cascade looks like, but you can't tell a person that really.
You can't say, just give us time.
What's all going to know?
They want relief seats and there's nothing wrong with relief care.
So initially, um, I learned this the hard way, but you know, cause I ran some labs on thislady.
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She was having hot flashes and night sweats.
I said, well, you know, we're going to balance your hormones.
We're to have you, you know, eat better and get a good night's sleep and exercise andreduce stress and take.
So you want to relief now.
So you play kind of the intelligent allopathy game.
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and we call it intelligent allopathy.
Relief care is okay.
You can find natural alternatives to uh toxic medicine and oh things that give a person alittle relief.
So you can't look at that as a totally bad thing.
And we might add that that's one of the problems with modern medicine is it's so...
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It's so focused on the relief that you don't really get better.
It's just get rid of the pain and now you're fine.
Well, no, you're not.
You haven't stopped the downward spirals that are occurring.
So like you mentioned, pills and surgery.
If pills don't work, don't worry, we'll just cut those parts out.
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I'm thinking of all the gallbladders we could have saved and other parts.
much maybe even more important parts.
So the idea of relief care is a touchy point for FDNs, because we believe in healing,taking the time, isn't the innate.
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It takes lifestyle, it takes dedication sometimes, and some discipline even.
Forming new habits, it takes a real purpose, whereas relief care is so easy.
So we call it intelligent relief care while you're, and because you've done the lab work,you know, well, this will make you feel better now.
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You'll get some relief.
Your hot flashes will go away, your night sweats.
But you know, you've got a lot of work to do here with the gut and all the other thingsgoing on.
So, so my approach would be long-term, uh get well, stay well, anti-aging, longevity, andall that.
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But if someone needs a quick fix, it's not the worst thing in the world.
So that's where we might differ, because you find your adamant, no, your relief care isbad for you.
No, it's not.
You better get those hot flashes to go away pretty quick.
Again, I kind of learned that.
But you know, and some of the rest of it, it just depends on the individual.
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Like that lady with the hot flashes.
I mean, with the hives.
That was almost like a miracle.
I had a lady who was doing very well coming in the office regularly and asked me if Iworked with kids.
And I love kids, I love working with kids.
They respond so quickly to a point, to the point we're making here.
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She said, you work with kids.
go, you know, I've coached football for 15 years, raised four kids.
So yeah.
And why?
She goes, well, they want to send my son home from school if I don't put them on drugs.
This is 20 years ago and the drug of choice was Ritalin.
She said that if I don't put them on Ritalin, they're going to kick him out of school.
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And I said, well, is there a doctor at the school diagnosing this?
No, it's just a teacher and the principal conspired and told the mom.
Again, this is over 20 years ago, but I wouldn't doubt if it's still happening.
um
And I said, well, do you think your son has a Ritalin deficiency?
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And she didn't laugh.
She didn't think that was funny at all.
a matter of fact, she goes, no, I'm serious.
I don't want to put my son on drugs.
Turns out he was only nine, by the way.
So here's a teacher and a principal recommending a class two narcotic.
That's the same class as cocaine.
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Exact same uh designation to a nine year old.
Why?
Because they wanted the behavior to change.
And so I'm going to make this real short now.
I said, I don't know if I could help, but let's run some tests and see.
Within three weeks of getting the results, recommendations, by the way, I never met theyoung man, just had the mom, just worked through the mom.
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You know, here's the test kits and the whole thing.
Within three weeks.
The principal of the school tracked me down, Janine, and said, hey, this is the principalwho got your name and number from the mom.
I want to tell you this is a different kid.
He's not outbursting inappropriately.
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He's not poking the other kids.
He's in his seat and his grades have gone way up.
And I was all feeling very proud and I still get kind of the, know how you get thoseshivers up your spine because you know you did good.
Then he said, what'd put them on?
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You know, and it just blew my bubble.
just like, well, sir, uh you know, we put him on a better diet.
We put him on a bedtime schedule.
We put him on an exercise schedule that your school isn't providing for him.
Things like that.
So he didn't want to hear that.
He just wanted to know what...
What do you got?
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So that was unfortunate, because I could see I was going to get every kid into school, youknow, as a client, but it didn't work out that way.
But so one person at a time, we make these discoveries and we do good work and we get theemotional satisfaction and a sense of exhilaration, freedom.
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It's very emancipating when you know how to do good work.
But it took me 10 years to figure all that out.
Yeah, yeah, and imagine it's very freeing for patients too because now they've taken theirown health back in their own hands versus, you know, relying on someone else to...
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you know, give them a pill, give them, you know, something of that nature, where it'slike, okay, I know if my guts offer, if I'm getting hives, last time, it was these
particular things that were bothering me and say, you know, they try, okay, if it worksgreat, then if not, they're coming back, they're coming back to you to see, okay, what
direction do I go now?
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And of course, where this is leading is how do you approach
Continuity of care with with your your folks that you're training in terms of clients andwhen they come back and and kind of helping to explore You know one of the big things I'm
always curious about is you know repeating are we repeating certain labs?
Are we going towards back to the hidden are we going back over that are we going?
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You know lifestyle give us give us kind of a little bit of uh scoop there becausesometimes things will come back and sometimes they'll come back in different patterns and
I'm going after pattern kind of recognition.
So I'm just kind of throwing it out there.
What's your thought process?
And just so folks can kind of hear how you're thinking, how FDNs might be thinking.
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I teach them to teach.
so they're using the lab work and getting the data and teaching that client what the datais really telling us about the body and how it's functioning.
We call them healing opportunities.
So you can teach someone.
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And then they can go and teach someone else.
And that's my philosophy of my mission for years and years and years and still is, I think26, seven years now, oh teach people, educate people how to get well and stay well
naturally so that they in turn can teach others.
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You got to add that little piece onto it.
And so you're
gonna have people with very protracted multiple causal factors that will take longer thanothers.
But I don't, and even back in the day, I don't recall ever signing anyone up for more thana 90 day program.
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Because I can pretty much teach you everything I know in 90 days.
And then now you know.
And if only time they would really, well, and they would make some progress.
So we teach people how to live with and choose reasonable expectations.
So if someone says, weigh 300 pounds and in 90 days I want to be in a size one bathingsuit, we would say, no, that's not reasonable.
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So you decide what's reasonable.
If they have a problem like the migraines and the headache, some of this stuff just goesaway so fast.
But with the protracted problems, you've taught them enough that they're going to knowwhen to come back.
or maybe they'll just continue.
So 90 days, let's do another 90 days.
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We're on the right track.
We know where it's going.
And I want to do another, to continue to get your coaching and your guidance and yourthings like that.
Other people, um depending on the results they've achieved in 90 days, will say, thankyou.
I've got it from here.
And we'll ask them for referrals.
Who else do know that we can help like this?
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So I'm big on asking for referrals and I teach my practitioners how to have areferral-based practice.
You have to do good work.
You have to actually get results.
And that requires onboarding properly and lots of things, being careful who you take on asa client.
But you've taught people enough that they know when to come back.
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And yeah, I've had repeat business.
get a lady all fixed up, calls me in a year, I've gone off the wagon.
know, cause they stop exercising, they start eating crap again, they do the things.
Well, that's why health coaching has become such a great career, cause people want theongoing support.
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So I'm not myself, not a health coach.
um I used a more authoritarian style of um implementation and working with people, mreally teaching them that they need to be in control, that they need to be aware, more
self-aware, and do things because it's the right thing to do.
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That's pretty hard discipline, but I grew up with just that kind of parenting and BoyScout and...
I pledge, I'm honored to, you know, all that stuff.
And so um it's easier for some people than others.
So if they need the ongoing support and help, that's why health coaches are drawn to whatwe do, because they can do provide the emotional oh repeat habit-forming coaching.
(36:38):
But the, so that's part three, I guess.
Let me put it to you this way.
Part one is run the labs, get to know your person.
Part two is create a program that's really gonna be effective.
Part three is run the program.
So that's really the only place you run into any issues.
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One and two is easy.
I figure out real quickly the healing opportunities that you get to work, here's what youget to work on.
And here's what it's gonna mean if you work on it.
And of course, you know what it's gonna mean if you don't work on it.
And so that's where the behavior becomes more of a challenge than figuring out what'swrong with the person.
(37:23):
And again, why health coaches are important.
And a health coach that knows a thing or two could be a very useful person to have around.
Yeah, behavior is, you know, a very big factor in anything, but especially when it comesto your health, because it's one thing I'll often tell folks, you know, we can do all the
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labs, we can figure out what we need to focus on.
And I can give you a protocol, but we've got to have that behavioral shift.
And this is where, you know, it's one of those things where folks will be like, well, Idon't know if your program is going to work for me.
Well, are you going to do the work is what I'll often put back.
You have to and uh part of our, we just use the term onboarding.
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I don't know how that sounds, but we ask people obviously, what's your main complaint?
You know, if I had a magic wand, what's one thing you'd like to change about the way youlook or feel?
And how often does that bother you?
How long has that been going on?
What have you tried so far that hasn't worked entirely?
What's it gonna mean to you if you get rid of this?
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What's it gonna be like if you don't?
But the next question, probably the key one, is there anything that would prevent you fromcompleting a program?
Mm-hmm.
I decide to take you on as a client.
So right there, you're kind of flipping the script a little bit.
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They're not interviewing you to see if they want to hire you.
You're interviewing them to see if you want them to.
So we're choosing clients that we think are going to be successful.
So you flat out ask them.
First one's gotta be in your wheelhouse.
You know, what's wrong, how long's it been going on?
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But what would stop you from completing a program?
And for all the practitioners out there, if you're not asking this, before you even takethem on, before you even agree, even if you know or you really think you can help them,
you can't if they have these certain things that are going to stop them from finishingyour program.
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Not starting it, finishing it.
For us, that's only 90 days.
But still, and they might say, um no, not really, I can't think of anything.
Well, how about money?
This is an investment.
How about support from a family member?
Are you gonna have someone feeding you chips and beer the whole time you're trying tobehave yourself?
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And what about um bad habits?
Do you have any addictions?
that we're gonna have to battle.
I wanna know about them ahead of time.
It's only fair, but I'm gonna be your practitioner.
um You be honest with me.
Tell me, m are any of those things gonna stop us from completing the program because weprobably shouldn't even start it.
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Save your time and money.
And so, that's really important.
The other questions would be around reasonable expectations and commitment level.
Like how committed are you to doing this?
If they can't get past those eight questions, I might just uh say I don't think I'm theright practitioner for you.
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So you're starting out with really good, not just good intentions, but again, theseexpectations that it's uh a...
You know, really most of the, look, I can figure out, I can run the labs, I can figure outwhat to do, but I just can't do it for you.
And it's, if you're gonna live yourself out of what you lived yourself into, you're doingthe living.
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So you gotta ask those questions.
And for anyone who's not a practitioner listening, um you gotta look at those things, likeare you willing to invest?
My wife and I spend a lot of money on our health.
Why?
Because we want to age gracefully and enjoy our lives and stay active and do cool things.
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um So we're willing to invest and uh we support each other.
We're always looking for support and not being around people who just want to drink andparty all the time.
You got to make some...
choices in your life.
I think that's sage advice for anybody listening because I think a lot of us will thinkabout going into programs and trying different things, whether it's a fitness program,
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whether it's going on a full FDN program.
And yeah, we may have certain expectations depending on someone's marketing, things ofthat nature.
And having that clarification in there is huge because...
For many folks, think we still have that same, like I'm saying, know, those magic things,like this person's gonna give me the magic thing that's going to make all the difference.
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And if I only am in about 50%, it's still gonna work.
And I've learned, you know, that that is not the case.
learned by experience.
Kind of the hard way, I call it.
You can learn from your own experience, you can learn from other people's.
That's kind of the basis of my course that I teach.
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I can teach you in 10 months what it took me 10 years to figure out.
And it's a lot of learning, but um hopefully you don't have much to unlearn.
That's the other thing we run into.
People who know too much already.
Ah, let's talk about that for a second because I will see that we're in the age of chatGPT where folks will have put their condition into chat GPT and bring it into you.
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I work between two states and one state on primary care provider and so I will get thatmore often than in my more functional medicine side of the practice.
But yeah, folks will come in with that and say, this is what I did, I did all theresearch.
and I've been all the podcasts and I'm on all the different Facebook groups, when someonecomes with that type of thing, what's your statement in that department?
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How do you handle that?
Well, you know, the obvious question smells, spell, sounds kind of smart-alky, is how'sthat working for you?
So, so, you know, I said in the late nineties, I had a lot to learn when I changed jobs.
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I just changed jobs.
I had a lot to learn, but I had nothing to unlearn.
I'd never really been to a doctor except for some sports injuries, couple motorcycleaccidents and some dental work.
That's it.
And then, so I hadn't been indoctrinated or trained or it was all just kind of open book.
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And I had a strong desire to be the guy that really helped whoever it was sitting in frontof me.
And so, and they were willing to spend the money to basically pay for my education.
know, if they'd pay for the labs, I would do the work.
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And um so I can teach you in 10 months what it took me 10 years to learn.
And I think, I just want to say that um that's the angle.
getting the data that tells you what's really going on and then using that to empoweryourself or your patients.
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And you might want to rephrase that question just so I know you said.
oh
Let's talk about that.
What was it?
All good, all good.
It's it's really just getting to getting to look at how how folks can can look at I don'teven know what I'm saying now either not now I've lost my I will edit this out.
(45:52):
We'll just edit it.
No, I think it's good to be real and authentic.
um sometimes I do lose track because I'm a creative person and m I'll start thinking aboutthings and hopefully it's enlightening or rewarding to the audience in some way.
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oh know, your podcast, The Health Fix,
You're interviewing, if you're interviewing my graduates who are out there in the worldpracticing FDN, which is just a kind of a phrase that I made up when I had to teach my
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first course, and now I'm stuck with it.
There was nothing called that back then.
And I'd been observing for 10 years the evolution of alternative.
And there was that and there was white coat, know, and there, well then complimentary.
became a phrase like, well, what is that?
Well, it's like a lot of white coat with a little bit of the other stuff mixed in.
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Well, then people got, because it actually helps and works.
Well, then the next one was integrative, because now it's by demand.
The patients were not demanding something besides just drugs and surgery.
Hey, what about all this other stuff, diet and rest and exercise and...
um
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all the things.
I think you mentioned chat GPT and how do we deal with those people who think they knowsomething.
em
I saw alternative, complementary, integrative.
Now it's functional medicine, functional medicine, functional medicine.
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And you have people who are truly dedicated and understand a thing or two about underlyingcauses and looking upstream.
Other people just use it as a handle.
They go to a weekend seminar and get a certificate.
You're now trained in functional medicine and they're still writing prescriptions forsnotty noses, taking insurance back at the, you know, they're not really
(48:06):
um doing a good enough job.
And even, I'll call it real functional medicine, has not even finished evolving, has notfinished evolving.
um
And I'll bring it back to chat GPT in just a minute.
So if functional medicine hasn't finished evolving, where's it going?
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You know, what's it's going to be this right here, FDN, no medical diagnosis, no treatmentof specific things.
It's using the innate intelligence of the body and treating every cell, tissue, organ andsystem simultaneously.
It's called non-specific treatment.
It just works better.
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And that is with the caveat that if the downward spiral is really contracted, you need togo see a doctor.
If you have Ebola virus, you're not going to call your FDN practitioner or nutritionist orpersonal trainer or any of those people.
If you're a victim of a drive-by shooting, you got to stop the bleeding, right?
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Or fix the bone or whatever.
So there's always a use for good medicine.
But all the chronic degenerative downwards-browning things that we deal with that taketime, um you gotta be able to make observations that are useful, and we do, and then apply
the general principles of health building, which we have.
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and the person has to just perform.
So if someone comes to us and chat GPT, which by the way, I like AI, until it takes overthe world, then I'm gonna hate it.
But, know.
And I hear all those theories and stuff.
But no, chat, chat GPT, I use perplexity.
If anyone wants perplexity.ai is really a good one.
(50:00):
There's a paid version, a pro version that I use.
And if you go to any of those and you look up FDN and read Davis.
You're gonna see good stuff.
It's gonna tell you how we work.
They're pretty honest.
I don't see a lot of censorship going on there.
m so if they're into their chat GPT oh and they're not well, I'll say, look up what we do.
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You're just looking up the wrong stuff.
You're not oh asking the right question.
They're called prompts.
You're not prompting in the right way.
If you say, I've got fibromyalgia, what should I do?
It's going to say, go see a doctor.
And they have medicine for that and all the standard things.
So you have to ask really good questions if you're using those things.
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degree.
Yeah, the more targeted the more intelligent questions you can prompt it.
Yeah, it's impressive.
It's impressive.
I've definitely used a lot of it for for business in particular.
And yeah, taking over.
I think what we do, it's tough for uh an AI to do all of it.
There's some things, but I don't think we can accurately, especially the lifestylebehavior.
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and some of that intricate work you do with someone when it comes to individualized care.
just think that there's, I don't think we could chat GPT at all, I'm calling AI ingeneral, not just chat GPT.
Yeah.
Hey, so, now are you still practicing, Janine?
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Are you mostly, you are?
you, what's mostly women with, uh, the common everyday, um, type of stress relatedconditions, you know, uh type of thing.
Are you seeing a lot of like long COVID or what's?
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In Wisconsin, my practice is chronic degenerative conditions.
And so we're talking chronic Lyme, mold, uh you name it, yeah, COVID, you know, all thosethings.
Whereas in my practice in Washington state, I am coming out of being a primary careprovider that was in the insurance model, trying to figure out how to do natural medicine
(52:24):
within that model and just wore myself completely out because I couldn't do it.
And so I'm coming off of that from there.
oh good.
So you had to go to cash practice, which is tough if you came out of the insurance model,because people are used to their insurance paying for everything.
But it doesn't.
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It's good for catastrophic car accidents and what have you.
If all of sudden...
You come down with something, you can go, you you go get checked out.
I go get checked out.
I'm on Medicare.
So it's, it's kind of hilarious going to a regular physician for your Medicareappointment.
(53:06):
And the first thing they say is, can we see your Medicare card?
And then they say, and what's your, what's your favorite pharmacy?
Which pharmacy do you prefer?
Cause the staff knows you're coming out of there with two or three prescriptions, youknow, and they want to ask me all the time.
Are you depressed?
Is anyone beating you up or being mean to you?
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It's just funny how their mindset goes.
It's not wellness.
It is not wellness by any stretch of the imagination.
Well, I'm glad to hear you're doing that.
You got out of the insurance algorithms because they're not useful or helpful except forto the insurance company.
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Yeah, there's no way to be able to help someone on a deeper level with, and I wasn't doing15 minutes, I was doing 30 minutes at the minimum.
There's no way to be able to do it at a 30 minute visit.
I really need more time and that's kind of where I've presented to my folks because myvisits in Wisconsin are two hours most times to get through, at least to start.
(54:16):
Follow-ups not so much but to start I need that much time to go back like you said throughall of the different things that are going on em
keep up the great work with your Health Fix podcast.
Matter of fact, we have something for your listeners if you want.
(54:36):
yeah, we get to talk about that there for listeners because I think, you know, I've gotfolks on both sides of the spectrum for folks that are in the health industry, but I also
have a lot of folks that are just um seeking health information.
um yeah, give us give us the scoop for folks who are looking for some training.
(54:57):
So now my staff member, told you before we started that high tech for me was pagers andfax machines.
And so I have staff that does this.
uh Matter of fact, speaking of AI, I asked for a report from a staff member last week andthey gave me some AI generated piece of crap.
(55:23):
you
and tell me, you're cheating.
We don't do that around here.
You gotta use your brain.
Give me a narrative that actually uh means something.
um So if people wanna find out more, and we have uh like a free booklet on the Dress forHealth Success program.
(55:45):
It's at um fdntraining.com slash health fix.
H-E-L-T-H-F-I-X health fix.
Fdntraining.com slash health fix.
So yeah, if you want to put that in your show notes, oh anyone that wants can come andfind out more.
It's just mostly putting you in the driver's seat.
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Nothing bothered me more in the beginning.
than when someone had been to three, six, nine different practitioners or spent all thismoney and weren't better yet, I would ask, why are you putting your health in someone
else's hands?
It's okay to get a practitioner, but you know, it's not, you gotta take charge.
(56:37):
So that's what you and I are here to help people do.
Absolutely, absolutely put health back in the hands of the folks.
That's what we do So read gosh great stuff today and good to meet the guy behind all ofthe FDN It's fun
here to help anytime.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much for coming on and we will get all of the details for the freebiein the podcast notes at drjcrossnd.com.
(57:06):
Thanks again.
All right.
Reed Davis, welcome to the Health Fix Podcast.
Thank you, Janine, it's my pleasure to be here.
Well, I've been excited to chat with you because I see a lot of folks who have the FDNdesignation behind their names.
I talk with a lot of them in different groups I'm in, masterminds, things of that nature.
And I never knew who was behind all of FDN because I think for a lot of folks, we see, youknow, the functional diagnostic nutrition, like label between behind people's names.
(00:32):
And we're like, okay, they've got this certification.
But I think a lot of people don't realize there's a guy.
behind this and there's a team.
And so I'd love for folks to really get to know you a little bit today and kind ofunderstand your background and where functional diagnostic nutrition kind of was born
from.
So give us the scoop.
(00:53):
How did you first start becoming interested in health?
What was the first thing that set you thinking, this could be something I wanna dive into?
was in the 90s and I was saving the whole planet, air, birds, water, trees, bees.
I was in environmental law and conservation.
(01:15):
And I saw how bad things were for the flora and fauna of the planet.
And I simply started to wonder about people like, well, what about us?
And I was in my 40s already and I was healthy, but I didn't want anything to sneak up onme.
Hmm.
I saw enough dead birds and fish and then my employers at the time were making a lot ofmoney doing that stuff and it seemed like that was their whole focus at some point where I
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thought they'd lost the mission.
Because I really like the animals and the world, know, just really trying to do a good jobon a mission.
So anyway, um
Then a friend of mine's father, who I was very close to, dropped dead of a heart attack orsomething.
And they kept saying, well, he was perfectly healthy.
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He was perfectly healthy.
And it just didn't seem like to me he could have been perfectly healthy.
So all that was going on, environmental law, conservation, saving the planet, working fora big company.
then at the same time, I was concerned about these things.
And I was taking my son,
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into a chiropractic wellness center.
He was a high school athlete.
And I started to just fall in love with that place.
he got seven varsity letters in four different sports.
He was a real, so I kept him, but I got a new career out of that, Janine, because Ifinally, after listening to the doctors in there talk about wellness and how the body
(02:56):
works and the innate intelligence and things, I just said,
I want to work for you guys.
And I talked myself into a job.
And within a short period of time, I was running that whole office.
And I was also um interviewing every person walking in the door.
(03:19):
And to make it short, I was just blown away by the number of people coming into thatoffice for alternative care.
was alternative versus their standard medicine.
And this is 20, what 26 years ago.
So, so it was really very distinct, alternative, standard.
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And I know there was some naturopathic and stuff going on at the time, but I didn't knowanything about it.
I just knew these people were.
caught in a cycle of trial and error.
were, they were trying anything desperate, searching for answers that they weren'tgetting.
And in a lot of cases, they've been told nothing's wrong with you, but they knew somethingwas, something's wrong.
(04:05):
And so.
I realized the wheel, the hamster wheel they were on and going from one clinic to anotherand didn't want to just be clinic number nine out of 14 that they had to try.
And one thing I do a lot of is motorcycle riding, especially in the hills of SouthernCalifornia.
I just recently moved to Florida, but I was there for 40 years working in this clinic for10.
(04:32):
So I stayed at that clinic for 10 years and
interviewing people, finding out how many things they tried, six, eight, 10 differentpractitioners.
And I just figured they were getting ripped off.
I really never been to a doctor.
I didn't know what the system was like, but I found out working with them.
And I just was out riding my bike one day and figured I'm gonna be the last person theyneed to see.
(04:57):
Now you can laugh if you want to, it's okay.
Because I didn't know anything except how badly I wanted to serve this
You know, I saw an opportunity as much as I wanted to help them.
And so just thank God that I was able to run this alternative lab work.
So the doctors there let me just do anything I wanted really.
(05:18):
I was pretty creative and very hardworking and sincere.
I really wanted to help.
And so I got to run all these labs and I ran thousands of labs on thousands of people.
I spent 10 years in that office doing just that.
face to face with Mrs.
Smith or Mr.
Jones or whoever's walking in the door.
(05:40):
If they would spend the money on the labs, I'd run the labs and interpret them relative toeach individual person.
See, the doctors there laughed at me and said, you know, ha ha, you can't diagnose ortreat anything because you're not a doctor.
Reed, you're going to have to figure out what's really wrong with these people and thenteach them how to fix it.
(06:05):
Mm-hmm.
Ten years later, I've made some observations.
I had good coaching, but I made a lot of my own observations about who got better and whodidn't.
You know, I could say some things that to your audience probably sound very obvious, butthe people working closest to the underlying causal factors were the ones that got well.
(06:30):
Anybody who was just treating their symptoms, you know, the kind of diagnosis treatmentmodel, we're where they landed because that wasn't working for them.
And so after 10 years, people just started telling me I should be teaching.
And so in 2008, I started teaching the first FDN course ever.
(06:50):
And oh that caught on.
The people who took my first course ever wouldn't go away.
And so now we have this whole community in, you know, I think 50 countries, thousands ofpractitioners I've taught.
And frankly, there's...
there's a portion of them are actually professionals actually doing the work.
(07:11):
And that's probably who you've had on your podcast as guests, because they're realdo-gooders.
They're they're smart people.
And they went through my program, which is very, very robust, very, tough stuff for mostpeople.
Yeah, you know, I've seen, you know, in different specialties, different, you know,whether it's hormones, whether it's looking at, you know, celiac, gut stuff, you know, you
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name it.
Yeah, you definitely have folks who have a wide variety of specialties or there's alsogeneralists, much like myself when it comes to just helping with longevity and
optimization.
And that's one of the things I wanted to definitely kind of talk about today because
You know, before we hit record, we kind of chatted about what I see and what people say.
(08:05):
And one of the biggest kickbacks I get from a lot of folks is, oh, you know, we're goingto optimize.
So that means we're going to run a whole bunch of labs that I don't necessarily need, andI'm going to spend a whole bunch of money.
And I'm like, no, no, no, that's it.
Let's step back here.
Because really what I've seen from your practitioners is that they're honing in on lookingat symptoms, what someone's presenting with.
(08:29):
and then honing in on what can give us the most information that, you know, perhaps folkscome in with basic labs from docs and the docs are like, yeah, you're normal.
If we're lucky, we can see those basic labs and see where they're not normal.
ah In a lot of cases we can, but I think I would love to really kind of talk about yourthought process when it comes to seeing these folks and being the last clinic that you
(08:55):
want them to ever be at.
Great.
how do we look at customization and optimization?
How do we see that lens and take it versus the symptom-based and band-aid-based model?
How do we bring it in?
What did you see with all of your experience and seeing all those folks that you're like,hmm, we do need some testing, we need advanced testing.
(09:15):
I'll ping you on all these other things next, but what got you thinking about the testingand looking deeper?
You know, have to go back to the beginning and the first test I ever ran was to check forfood sensitivities because that was something that they'd never checked before.
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I had a lady come in the office and she was complaining of her, she was overweight, but itwas because of medication that she'd been on for two years and it made her fat.
And she was feeling really down about that and telling me the story how she'd just been toher physician who put her on that medication and told her she was sick and tired of the
(10:04):
weight.
The weight was really getting her down, frustrating her because she was exercising andtrying to eat right.
And it didn't matter on this medication for the hives.
So medication for the hives.
And he told her, she said,
lady, you can be fat or can have the hives take your pet.
(10:27):
And I'm sorry for laughing, but I was trying to get a word in edgewise because I thought Icould help her.
Well, maybe I can help you.
And she said to the doctor when he told her that, well, that's very depressing.
And he said, according to her, I can write you a prescription for antidepressants if you'dlike.
(10:52):
Which just, you know, you know, you and your audience totally would get the, it's nothumor, but there's something strange going on here.
And when I finally asked her first name, why didn't you ever try to find out why you getthe hives?
Her head snapped around so hard, I thought, well, you're not gonna need your chiropracticadjustment today.
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know, she, what are you talking about?
So we ran some labs, found out she was very sensitive to some foods, like overlysensitive.
And as soon as she stopped eating them, she didn't get the hives anymore.
Now we got lucky, that was lucky because...
I've had other people with the hives and it didn't quite work out as well.
(11:40):
So I discovered a lot by running these labs and learning that, you know, if you get itright, you can really help people who are very frustrated.
And within a very short period of time, she was off her medication.
I think it was only nine days.
She called her doctor and says, I'm not taking this medication anymore.
I found out why I get the hives.
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You know, what a concept, right?
And within a short period of time after
that Janine she said she was working out to a sweat and and taking hot showers which shehadn't done in two years because even on the medication
She would get the hives sweating and taking hot showers.
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And she started losing weight.
She was very, very happy.
And of course, that's very heartwarming to a practitioner.
You feel like you're a real genius, you know?
But it makes you feel great.
So I learned very early on, if you can get it right, that you can really help people bystaying focused on underlying causal factors.
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And diet and foods is one of them.
oh
Then it started running hormone testing, because most of the patients were women in thatage group.
And around that time, 2001, the NIH study, the Women's Health Initiative, determined thatthey would end this eight-year study after only five years, because the medication, was
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like Premarin plus progestin, was making them worse.
It was creating...
worse than if you just had your hot flashes and night sweats.
know, like this was uh good for the bones, but for everything, caused heart conditions andall kinds of things.
So the study came out and it was really dramatic.
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It was quite a turning point in the world of hormones.
And that's back when uh doctors didn't know what to do.
There was no alternative for them.
Eventually the bioidenticals came out and people started understanding natural hormonesbetter.
So I was there when a lot of these things were going on, running labs and labs and labsand labs.
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I ran way too many on some people.
If they'd pay for a lab, I would run the lab.
But I had to eventually, first of all, I made certain observations that a lot of that wasnot useful, waste of money.
So I boiled it down to just a few simple tests.
And I'm gonna answer your question about some of my
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Graduates who are practitioners now, they focus in on certain areas, but that's not how Iteach them.
I teach them a very broad way of looking at hormones, the immune system, digestion,detoxification, energy production, nervous system balance.
So it's really a broad, because that's what I learned in the office.
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10 years, you learn a few things.
And I ran all the labs and I identified these patterns that are
there for most people, it's never just one thing.
There's no one causal factor.
Matter of fact, back then we all had the handle root cause, root cause.
We look for the root cause.
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Well, sometimes there isn't one.
There's never just one.
And they're having an effect on each other that aren't even measurable.
There's just not enough labs.
I recognize this pattern, hormone immune digestion, detoxification, energy production,nervous system was there for almost every person.
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That spells hidden by the way, H-I-D-D-E-N.
So it's cute too.
And uh so that pattern, just run these.
And then their chronic downward spiraling degenerative condition, you can see enough ofthe causal factors.
to have an effect and that effect is brought about, that's the other half of what FDNs do.
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So we can fix almost anything that's chronic downward spiraling degenerative if there'stime, if there's time for the body to heal.
If it's really contracted, that's when doctors with their medicine are actually quiteuseful.
know, the, the observations we make, HIDDE, and you need time to capitalize on thoseobservations and you need the person to behave in such a way that they live themselves out
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of the problems that they've
actually lived themselves into, usually over a long period of time.
And so that's what I teach, H-I-D-D-E-N, and then all the epigenetic factors that willactually make changes and they can get well, stay well, use it for longevity and
anti-aging and all this stuff.
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That's how you live.
It's called D-R-E-S-S.
And that's diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction, supplementation.
If you've had one of my graduates on, I know they talked about hidden stressors and thedress program.
And then most of the practitioners, just for kind of, it's kind of a marketing and whatyou love to do aspect, you niche.
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And usually they're niching.
according to what their own personal problem was.
And so people come to, I hope I'm answering this question correctly.
So yeah, it's a very uh wide spectrum.
The approach is to look for as many healing opportunities as you can identify withmultiple labs, not this many, but this many labs, oh identify enough causal factors to...
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understand how to sort that person out.
We call it sorting out, I'm sure you heard this term from them, metabolic chaos.
So we don't have a medical diagnosis.
It's just there's medical, there's uh metabolic chaos.
Here's how you can sort it out.
And then you can niche according to whatever your favorite group of people is.
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If it's menopausal women or irritable bowel or gut or migraines or skin or whatever it is.
Even children, there's ADD, ADHD, I've had remarkable.
by cleaning up their problems.
So the niching thing, the fact that they're each kind of specialized doesn't mean they runless labs all the time.
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They'll still run our basic labs because they want to address each causal factors and seewhat shakes out.
And it shakes out real well.
You know, I'm glad you explained that for us because it's good for folks to know like whatsomeone with the FDN designation can do for them, what's kind of the background, but also
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the component of when we're working with someone, diagnosis isn't necessary, that's forinsurance.
And that's something I like folks to really hear.
It's more like what's out of balance?
What do we need to help repair or optimize or get working better, whatever terms you wannaput there.
I, you know, with any condition, and I'd love to hear your opinion when folks do go intodifferent niches and whatnot, we're really looking at it as, yes, there's this big
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overarching problem that someone's coming in for, but like you had noticed, there's thehidden factors that are all at the underlying stoop that's brewing underneath this.
Am I getting it right as to how you get to know?
that's what I observed over a 10 year period running thousands of labs and thousands ofpeople.
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Man, if you're looking for that one root cause, guess what?
There's studies that say that root cause could have disappeared.
You'll never find it because it doesn't exist anymore.
But the downward spiral, metabolically, the things that changed are kind of burned in andthe cause is gone.
Whether it was...
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some mental, stressors, some chemical stressors, some injury or assault or something likethat.
It's sort of gone, but the downward spiral is still there.
uh Like, you know, if you get really stressed out enough, you know that your catabolic,anabolic goes out of balance.
You get catabolic.
Well, then the body's actually breaking down.
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Your sex hormones are the next thing to go because they're in the steroidal family.
ah Then after that is your immune system.
that starts to break down a little bit.
But now you've got a dysbiosis, so the gut is now involved.
And you can see how the dominoes fall when you run just a few labs, some saliva, urine,stools, little blood.
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And boy, you can discover an awful lot.
That way you're not practicing medicine, like...
pre-diagnosis, you the clinical diagnosis, then you run a lab to back it up.
yeah, pat myself on the back, it's your thyroid.
You know, it's never just your thyroid.
You know, there's nothing wrong with your thyroid.
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It's actually responding appropriately to the type and amount of stress that you're under.
And so we have to look upstream pretty far sometimes.
and again come up with multiple healing opportunities and then apply the principles ofhealing, the principles of health building in our epigenetic program, the lifestyle
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medicine program.
Let's talk about that, you know, for a minute because I think a lot of folks, you know,it's hard.
We have the Western Medical, you know, conglomerate, let's call it that, you know, andthat's, you know, magic pill, one thing, surgery, you know, we've got that type of thought
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process and then we have the whole type of process and one thing you mentioned earlier isabout taking time, time to heal, time to get the body back in order and a lot of people
are like,
I want it now, I want it yesterday.
I want the quick fix.
And what I'm hearing from you is how important it is to look at lifestyle, how importantit is to look at these different things.
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And I would love to hear kind of your theory on lifestyle, know, because everyone'shearing moderation, be strict, do this, do that.
Give us a little bit of your principles you're teaching for lifestyle for folks and how tooptimize.
Sure, well thanks for the opportunity because this is where the rubber meets the road.
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For an FDN practitioner, the labs are important, but it's being able to coordinate thelabs with a unique individual.
We call it clinical correlation.
So the labs are explaining why they feel so lousy.
and you've identified the healing opportunities, here's what needs improvement.
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And it could be the hormones, the immune system, digestion and detoxification.
So there's multiple areas and the body wants to heal.
There's an innate intelligence, it wants to get better.
You wanna nurture that while you find the obstacles to healing and...
uh
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remove them the best you can, the body will heal.
So we need time for that to occur.
And it's really important that you understand
Rather than treating a specific thing, you can have a better overall outcome by justtreating everything non-specifically.
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So diet and rest and exercise and stress reduction and supplementation, those five things,oh have an effect on every cell, tissue, organ, system, the entire organism just gets
better.
Again, you're nurturing normal function, innate intelligence, while you're identifyingobstacles to healing.
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Hopefully they're not too much in the mind and emotions of the person.
You're actually finding real obstacles, parasites, bacteria, funguses, viruses, foodsensitivities, chemicals, and all these things, plus trauma, some known, some unknown.
But for me, if I had one thing, uh it would be old injuries from...
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having such a well-used body.
You know, I've just done so much crazy stuff, high-risk type sports and things.
um So aches and pains have the same effect on the body as, let's say, chemicals, you know,or emotions.
uh Your body doesn't care what kind of stress it is.
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It's going to react pretty much the same way the hormones, the immune system, digest andso on.
So we know what the cascade looks like, but you can't tell a person that really.
You can't say, just give us time.
What's all going to know?
They want relief seats and there's nothing wrong with relief care.
So initially, um, I learned this the hard way, but you know, cause I ran some labs on thislady.
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She was having hot flashes and night sweats.
I said, well, you know, we're going to balance your hormones.
We're to have you, you know, eat better and get a good night's sleep and exercise andreduce stress and take.
So you want to relief now.
So you play kind of the intelligent allopathy game.
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and we call it intelligent allopathy.
Relief care is okay.
You can find natural alternatives to uh toxic medicine and oh things that give a person alittle relief.
So you can't look at that as a totally bad thing.
And we might add that that's one of the problems with modern medicine is it's so...
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It's so focused on the relief that you don't really get better.
It's just get rid of the pain and now you're fine.
Well, no, you're not.
You haven't stopped the downward spirals that are occurring.
So like you mentioned, pills and surgery.
If pills don't work, don't worry, we'll just cut those parts out.
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I'm thinking of all the gallbladders we could have saved and other parts.
much maybe even more important parts.
So the idea of relief care is a touchy point for FDNs, because we believe in healing,taking the time, isn't the innate.
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It takes lifestyle, it takes dedication sometimes, and some discipline even.
Forming new habits, it takes a real purpose, whereas relief care is so easy.
So we call it intelligent relief care while you're, and because you've done the lab work,you know, well, this will make you feel better now.
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You'll get some relief.
Your hot flashes will go away, your night sweats.
But you know, you've got a lot of work to do here with the gut and all the other thingsgoing on.
So, so my approach would be long-term, uh get well, stay well, anti-aging, longevity, andall that.
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But if someone needs a quick fix, it's not the worst thing in the world.
So that's where we might differ, because you find your adamant, no, your relief care isbad for you.
No, it's not.
You better get those hot flashes to go away pretty quick.
Again, I kind of learned that.
But you know, and some of the rest of it, it just depends on the individual.
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Like that lady with the hot flashes.
I mean, with the hives.
That was almost like a miracle.
I had a lady who was doing very well coming in the office regularly and asked me if Iworked with kids.
And I love kids, I love working with kids.
They respond so quickly to a point, to the point we're making here.
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She said, you work with kids.
go, you know, I've coached football for 15 years, raised four kids.
So yeah.
And why?
She goes, well, they want to send my son home from school if I don't put them on drugs.
This is 20 years ago and the drug of choice was Ritalin.
She said that if I don't put them on Ritalin, they're going to kick him out of school.
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And I said, well, is there a doctor at the school diagnosing this?
No, it's just a teacher and the principal conspired and told the mom.
Again, this is over 20 years ago, but I wouldn't doubt if it's still happening.
um
And I said, well, do you think your son has a Ritalin deficiency?
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And she didn't laugh.
She didn't think that was funny at all.
a matter of fact, she goes, no, I'm serious.
I don't want to put my son on drugs.
Turns out he was only nine, by the way.
So here's a teacher and a principal recommending a class two narcotic.
That's the same class as cocaine.
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Exact same uh designation to a nine year old.
Why?
Because they wanted the behavior to change.
And so I'm going to make this real short now.
I said, I don't know if I could help, but let's run some tests and see.
Within three weeks of getting the results, recommendations, by the way, I never met theyoung man, just had the mom, just worked through the mom.
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You know, here's the test kits and the whole thing.
Within three weeks.
The principal of the school tracked me down, Janine, and said, hey, this is the principalwho got your name and number from the mom.
I want to tell you this is a different kid.
He's not outbursting inappropriately.
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He's not poking the other kids.
He's in his seat and his grades have gone way up.
And I was all feeling very proud and I still get kind of the, know how you get thoseshivers up your spine because you know you did good.
Then he said, what'd put them on?
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You know, and it just blew my bubble.
just like, well, sir, uh you know, we put him on a better diet.
We put him on a bedtime schedule.
We put him on an exercise schedule that your school isn't providing for him.
Things like that.
So he didn't want to hear that.
He just wanted to know what...
What do you got?
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So that was unfortunate, because I could see I was going to get every kid into school, youknow, as a client, but it didn't work out that way.
But so one person at a time, we make these discoveries and we do good work and we get theemotional satisfaction and a sense of exhilaration, freedom.
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It's very emancipating when you know how to do good work.
But it took me 10 years to figure all that out.
Yeah, yeah, and imagine it's very freeing for patients too because now they've taken theirown health back in their own hands versus, you know, relying on someone else to...
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you know, give them a pill, give them, you know, something of that nature, where it'slike, okay, I know if my guts offer, if I'm getting hives, last time, it was these
particular things that were bothering me and say, you know, they try, okay, if it worksgreat, then if not, they're coming back, they're coming back to you to see, okay, what
direction do I go now?
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And of course, where this is leading is how do you approach
Continuity of care with with your your folks that you're training in terms of clients andwhen they come back and and kind of helping to explore You know one of the big things I'm
always curious about is you know repeating are we repeating certain labs?
Are we going towards back to the hidden are we going back over that are we going?
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You know lifestyle give us give us kind of a little bit of uh scoop there becausesometimes things will come back and sometimes they'll come back in different patterns and
I'm going after pattern kind of recognition.
So I'm just kind of throwing it out there.
What's your thought process?
And just so folks can kind of hear how you're thinking, how FDNs might be thinking.
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I teach them to teach.
so they're using the lab work and getting the data and teaching that client what the datais really telling us about the body and how it's functioning.
We call them healing opportunities.
So you can teach someone.
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And then they can go and teach someone else.
And that's my philosophy of my mission for years and years and years and still is, I think26, seven years now, oh teach people, educate people how to get well and stay well
naturally so that they in turn can teach others.
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You got to add that little piece onto it.
And so you're
gonna have people with very protracted multiple causal factors that will take longer thanothers.
But I don't, and even back in the day, I don't recall ever signing anyone up for more thana 90 day program.
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Because I can pretty much teach you everything I know in 90 days.
And then now you know.
And if only time they would really, well, and they would make some progress.
So we teach people how to live with and choose reasonable expectations.
So if someone says, weigh 300 pounds and in 90 days I want to be in a size one bathingsuit, we would say, no, that's not reasonable.
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So you decide what's reasonable.
If they have a problem like the migraines and the headache, some of this stuff just goesaway so fast.
But with the protracted problems, you've taught them enough that they're going to knowwhen to come back.
or maybe they'll just continue.
So 90 days, let's do another 90 days.
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We're on the right track.
We know where it's going.
And I want to do another, to continue to get your coaching and your guidance and yourthings like that.
Other people, um depending on the results they've achieved in 90 days, will say, thankyou.
I've got it from here.
And we'll ask them for referrals.
Who else do know that we can help like this?
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So I'm big on asking for referrals and I teach my practitioners how to have areferral-based practice.
You have to do good work.
You have to actually get results.
And that requires onboarding properly and lots of things, being careful who you take on asa client.
But you've taught people enough that they know when to come back.
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And yeah, I've had repeat business.
get a lady all fixed up, calls me in a year, I've gone off the wagon.
know, cause they stop exercising, they start eating crap again, they do the things.
Well, that's why health coaching has become such a great career, cause people want theongoing support.
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So I'm not myself, not a health coach.
um I used a more authoritarian style of um implementation and working with people, mreally teaching them that they need to be in control, that they need to be aware, more
self-aware, and do things because it's the right thing to do.
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That's pretty hard discipline, but I grew up with just that kind of parenting and BoyScout and...
I pledge, I'm honored to, you know, all that stuff.
And so um it's easier for some people than others.
So if they need the ongoing support and help, that's why health coaches are drawn to whatwe do, because they can do provide the emotional oh repeat habit-forming coaching.
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But the, so that's part three, I guess.
Let me put it to you this way.
Part one is run the labs, get to know your person.
Part two is create a program that's really gonna be effective.
Part three is run the program.
So that's really the only place you run into any issues.
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One and two is easy.
I figure out real quickly the healing opportunities that you get to work, here's what youget to work on.
And here's what it's gonna mean if you work on it.
And of course, you know what it's gonna mean if you don't work on it.
And so that's where the behavior becomes more of a challenge than figuring out what'swrong with the person.
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And again, why health coaches are important.
And a health coach that knows a thing or two could be a very useful person to have around.
Yeah, behavior is, you know, a very big factor in anything, but especially when it comesto your health, because it's one thing I'll often tell folks, you know, we can do all the
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labs, we can figure out what we need to focus on.
And I can give you a protocol, but we've got to have that behavioral shift.
And this is where, you know, it's one of those things where folks will be like, well, Idon't know if your program is going to work for me.
Well, are you going to do the work is what I'll often put back.
You have to and uh part of our, we just use the term onboarding.
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I don't know how that sounds, but we ask people obviously, what's your main complaint?
You know, if I had a magic wand, what's one thing you'd like to change about the way youlook or feel?
And how often does that bother you?
How long has that been going on?
What have you tried so far that hasn't worked entirely?
What's it gonna mean to you if you get rid of this?
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What's it gonna be like if you don't?
But the next question, probably the key one, is there anything that would prevent you fromcompleting a program?
Mm-hmm.
I decide to take you on as a client.
So right there, you're kind of flipping the script a little bit.
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They're not interviewing you to see if they want to hire you.
You're interviewing them to see if you want them to.
So we're choosing clients that we think are going to be successful.
So you flat out ask them.
First one's gotta be in your wheelhouse.
You know, what's wrong, how long's it been going on?
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But what would stop you from completing a program?
And for all the practitioners out there, if you're not asking this, before you even takethem on, before you even agree, even if you know or you really think you can help them,
you can't if they have these certain things that are going to stop them from finishingyour program.
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Not starting it, finishing it.
For us, that's only 90 days.
But still, and they might say, um no, not really, I can't think of anything.
Well, how about money?
This is an investment.
How about support from a family member?
Are you gonna have someone feeding you chips and beer the whole time you're trying tobehave yourself?
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And what about um bad habits?
Do you have any addictions?
that we're gonna have to battle.
I wanna know about them ahead of time.
It's only fair, but I'm gonna be your practitioner.
um You be honest with me.
Tell me, m are any of those things gonna stop us from completing the program because weprobably shouldn't even start it.
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Save your time and money.
And so, that's really important.
The other questions would be around reasonable expectations and commitment level.
Like how committed are you to doing this?
If they can't get past those eight questions, I might just uh say I don't think I'm theright practitioner for you.
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So you're starting out with really good, not just good intentions, but again, theseexpectations that it's uh a...
You know, really most of the, look, I can figure out, I can run the labs, I can figure outwhat to do, but I just can't do it for you.
And it's, if you're gonna live yourself out of what you lived yourself into, you're doingthe living.
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So you gotta ask those questions.
And for anyone who's not a practitioner listening, um you gotta look at those things, likeare you willing to invest?
My wife and I spend a lot of money on our health.
Why?
Because we want to age gracefully and enjoy our lives and stay active and do cool things.
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um So we're willing to invest and uh we support each other.
We're always looking for support and not being around people who just want to drink andparty all the time.
You got to make some...
choices in your life.
I think that's sage advice for anybody listening because I think a lot of us will thinkabout going into programs and trying different things, whether it's a fitness program,
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whether it's going on a full FDN program.
And yeah, we may have certain expectations depending on someone's marketing, things ofthat nature.
And having that clarification in there is huge because...
For many folks, think we still have that same, like I'm saying, know, those magic things,like this person's gonna give me the magic thing that's going to make all the difference.
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And if I only am in about 50%, it's still gonna work.
And I've learned, you know, that that is not the case.
learned by experience.
Kind of the hard way, I call it.
You can learn from your own experience, you can learn from other people's.
That's kind of the basis of my course that I teach.
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I can teach you in 10 months what it took me 10 years to figure out.
And it's a lot of learning, but um hopefully you don't have much to unlearn.
That's the other thing we run into.
People who know too much already.
Ah, let's talk about that for a second because I will see that we're in the age of chatGPT where folks will have put their condition into chat GPT and bring it into you.
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I work between two states and one state on primary care provider and so I will get thatmore often than in my more functional medicine side of the practice.
But yeah, folks will come in with that and say, this is what I did, I did all theresearch.
and I've been all the podcasts and I'm on all the different Facebook groups, when someonecomes with that type of thing, what's your statement in that department?
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How do you handle that?
Well, you know, the obvious question smells, spell, sounds kind of smart-alky, is how'sthat working for you?
So, so, you know, I said in the late nineties, I had a lot to learn when I changed jobs.
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I just changed jobs.
I had a lot to learn, but I had nothing to unlearn.
I'd never really been to a doctor except for some sports injuries, couple motorcycleaccidents and some dental work.
That's it.
And then, so I hadn't been indoctrinated or trained or it was all just kind of open book.
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And I had a strong desire to be the guy that really helped whoever it was sitting in frontof me.
And so, and they were willing to spend the money to basically pay for my education.
know, if they'd pay for the labs, I would do the work.
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And um so I can teach you in 10 months what it took me 10 years to learn.
And I think, I just want to say that um that's the angle.
getting the data that tells you what's really going on and then using that to empoweryourself or your patients.
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And you might want to rephrase that question just so I know you said.
oh
Let's talk about that.
What was it?
All good, all good.
It's it's really just getting to getting to look at how how folks can can look at I don'teven know what I'm saying now either not now I've lost my I will edit this out.
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We'll just edit it.
No, I think it's good to be real and authentic.
um sometimes I do lose track because I'm a creative person and m I'll start thinking aboutthings and hopefully it's enlightening or rewarding to the audience in some way.
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oh know, your podcast, The Health Fix,
You're interviewing, if you're interviewing my graduates who are out there in the worldpracticing FDN, which is just a kind of a phrase that I made up when I had to teach my
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first course, and now I'm stuck with it.
There was nothing called that back then.
And I'd been observing for 10 years the evolution of alternative.
And there was that and there was white coat, know, and there, well then complimentary.
became a phrase like, well, what is that?
Well, it's like a lot of white coat with a little bit of the other stuff mixed in.
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Well, then people got, because it actually helps and works.
Well, then the next one was integrative, because now it's by demand.
The patients were not demanding something besides just drugs and surgery.
Hey, what about all this other stuff, diet and rest and exercise and...
um
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all the things.
I think you mentioned chat GPT and how do we deal with those people who think they knowsomething.
em
I saw alternative, complementary, integrative.
Now it's functional medicine, functional medicine, functional medicine.
(47:43):
And you have people who are truly dedicated and understand a thing or two about underlyingcauses and looking upstream.
Other people just use it as a handle.
They go to a weekend seminar and get a certificate.
You're now trained in functional medicine and they're still writing prescriptions forsnotty noses, taking insurance back at the, you know, they're not really
(48:06):
um doing a good enough job.
And even, I'll call it real functional medicine, has not even finished evolving, has notfinished evolving.
um
And I'll bring it back to chat GPT in just a minute.
So if functional medicine hasn't finished evolving, where's it going?
(48:27):
You know, what's it's going to be this right here, FDN, no medical diagnosis, no treatmentof specific things.
It's using the innate intelligence of the body and treating every cell, tissue, organ andsystem simultaneously.
It's called non-specific treatment.
It just works better.
(48:49):
And that is with the caveat that if the downward spiral is really contracted, you need togo see a doctor.
If you have Ebola virus, you're not going to call your FDN practitioner or nutritionist orpersonal trainer or any of those people.
If you're a victim of a drive-by shooting, you got to stop the bleeding, right?
(49:12):
Or fix the bone or whatever.
So there's always a use for good medicine.
But all the chronic degenerative downwards-browning things that we deal with that taketime, um you gotta be able to make observations that are useful, and we do, and then apply
the general principles of health building, which we have.
(49:36):
and the person has to just perform.
So if someone comes to us and chat GPT, which by the way, I like AI, until it takes overthe world, then I'm gonna hate it.
But, know.
And I hear all those theories and stuff.
But no, chat, chat GPT, I use perplexity.
If anyone wants perplexity.ai is really a good one.
(50:00):
There's a paid version, a pro version that I use.
And if you go to any of those and you look up FDN and read Davis.
You're gonna see good stuff.
It's gonna tell you how we work.
They're pretty honest.
I don't see a lot of censorship going on there.
m so if they're into their chat GPT oh and they're not well, I'll say, look up what we do.
(50:28):
You're just looking up the wrong stuff.
You're not oh asking the right question.
They're called prompts.
You're not prompting in the right way.
If you say, I've got fibromyalgia, what should I do?
It's going to say, go see a doctor.
And they have medicine for that and all the standard things.
So you have to ask really good questions if you're using those things.
(50:54):
degree.
Yeah, the more targeted the more intelligent questions you can prompt it.
Yeah, it's impressive.
It's impressive.
I've definitely used a lot of it for for business in particular.
And yeah, taking over.
I think what we do, it's tough for uh an AI to do all of it.
There's some things, but I don't think we can accurately, especially the lifestylebehavior.
(51:20):
and some of that intricate work you do with someone when it comes to individualized care.
just think that there's, I don't think we could chat GPT at all, I'm calling AI ingeneral, not just chat GPT.
Yeah.
Hey, so, now are you still practicing, Janine?
(51:42):
Are you mostly, you are?
you, what's mostly women with, uh, the common everyday, um, type of stress relatedconditions, you know, uh type of thing.
Are you seeing a lot of like long COVID or what's?
(52:03):
In Wisconsin, my practice is chronic degenerative conditions.
And so we're talking chronic Lyme, mold, uh you name it, yeah, COVID, you know, all thosethings.
Whereas in my practice in Washington state, I am coming out of being a primary careprovider that was in the insurance model, trying to figure out how to do natural medicine
(52:24):
within that model and just wore myself completely out because I couldn't do it.
And so I'm coming off of that from there.
oh good.
So you had to go to cash practice, which is tough if you came out of the insurance model,because people are used to their insurance paying for everything.
But it doesn't.
(52:45):
It's good for catastrophic car accidents and what have you.
If all of sudden...
You come down with something, you can go, you you go get checked out.
I go get checked out.
I'm on Medicare.
So it's, it's kind of hilarious going to a regular physician for your Medicareappointment.
(53:06):
And the first thing they say is, can we see your Medicare card?
And then they say, and what's your, what's your favorite pharmacy?
Which pharmacy do you prefer?
Cause the staff knows you're coming out of there with two or three prescriptions, youknow, and they want to ask me all the time.
Are you depressed?
Is anyone beating you up or being mean to you?
(53:29):
It's just funny how their mindset goes.
It's not wellness.
It is not wellness by any stretch of the imagination.
Well, I'm glad to hear you're doing that.
You got out of the insurance algorithms because they're not useful or helpful except forto the insurance company.
(53:50):
Yeah, there's no way to be able to help someone on a deeper level with, and I wasn't doing15 minutes, I was doing 30 minutes at the minimum.
There's no way to be able to do it at a 30 minute visit.
I really need more time and that's kind of where I've presented to my folks because myvisits in Wisconsin are two hours most times to get through, at least to start.
(54:16):
Follow-ups not so much but to start I need that much time to go back like you said throughall of the different things that are going on em
keep up the great work with your Health Fix podcast.
Matter of fact, we have something for your listeners if you want.
(54:36):
yeah, we get to talk about that there for listeners because I think, you know, I've gotfolks on both sides of the spectrum for folks that are in the health industry, but I also
have a lot of folks that are just um seeking health information.
um yeah, give us give us the scoop for folks who are looking for some training.
(54:57):
So now my staff member, told you before we started that high tech for me was pagers andfax machines.
And so I have staff that does this.
uh Matter of fact, speaking of AI, I asked for a report from a staff member last week andthey gave me some AI generated piece of crap.
(55:23):
you
and tell me, you're cheating.
We don't do that around here.
You gotta use your brain.
Give me a narrative that actually uh means something.
um So if people wanna find out more, and we have uh like a free booklet on the Dress forHealth Success program.
(55:45):
It's at um fdntraining.com slash health fix.
H-E-L-T-H-F-I-X health fix.
Fdntraining.com slash health fix.
So yeah, if you want to put that in your show notes, oh anyone that wants can come andfind out more.
It's just mostly putting you in the driver's seat.
(56:10):
Nothing bothered me more in the beginning.
than when someone had been to three, six, nine different practitioners or spent all thismoney and weren't better yet, I would ask, why are you putting your health in someone
else's hands?
It's okay to get a practitioner, but you know, it's not, you gotta take charge.
(56:37):
So that's what you and I are here to help people do.
Absolutely, absolutely put health back in the hands of the folks.
That's what we do So read gosh great stuff today and good to meet the guy behind all ofthe FDN It's fun
here to help anytime.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much for coming on and we will get all of the details for the freebiein the podcast notes at drjcrossnd.com.
(57:06):
Thanks again.
All right.
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