February 14, 2025 • 14 mins
As a wise poet once said at the beginning of an epic around the world arena tour... "it's been a long time coming." The Hilling Journey podcast is here! In this teaser episode, Ilyse Kennedy, LPC-S, LMFT-S and Lindsay Camp, LMFT acquaint you with their best friendship and what they'll get up to on this season of The Hilling Journey. With a soft open of a message from the other side via their psychic medium, Tara. As well as a soft warning of who might not want to listen (their dads and clients), they set the stage for a season exploring what it means to be a therapist in the trenches of your own hilling journey. Between the nuggets of wisdom, there will be pop culture references, and some minor vulgarity. You've been warned.
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Lindsay (00:10):
I’ve got to talk to you about something.
Ilyse (00:15):
Okay.
Lindsay (00:20):
Maybe I'll jog your memory. And if I need to, I can play it because I've got a queued up. Do you remember what Tara, our psychic medium, said about red shoes?
Ilyse (00:25):
I kind of remember, but I don't remember what she said.
Lindsay (00:30):
Okay, well, I've got it queued up. And I want to just play you a little something. Okay. Are you ready? Ready? Okay, here we go. I got to show you this.
Tara (00:35):
Red shoes is coming through as well. Yeah, either it was a thing or there's a photograph of red shoes specifically. And it doesn't feel like Dorothy's red shoes. Funny enough, I keep hearing this song. Here's that clear audience. Put on your red shoes and dance with me. Oh, David Bowie. Oh, so yeah, I feel like there's something either significant around that song or red shoes specifically. Again, it doesn't feel like Dorothy and the Ruby slippers. So put that in your pocket for later. I can send you home with this as well. Normally, I get you guys to take notes.
Lindsay (00:40):
Okay. So Tara said to me, to put that in my back pocket, that there was going to be something with red shoes. And she had said like, Do you have any red shoes? Did your mom have red shoes? And she was like, channeling my mom. And I nodded yes, because like, my mom had some red shoes, like that, that fits, but nothing significant was like coming to mind around it.
Last night, do you remember when I told you I couldn't record with you last night because I needed to help my dad with some stuff? Yeah, guess what? We placed an order for last night, red shoes. Yes. Ilyse (00:45):
Why?
Lindsay (00:50):
He's going on a trip with his girlfriend, and needed a little present for her for Valentine's Day. And he bought her with some like slippers. Like I was like, what about some slippers? And I was showing him the options. There were like several different colors. And he was drawn to the red ones. And so we placed an order for red shoes last night. How crazy is that?
Ilyse (00:55):
I mean, as with anything that's coming through from the other side, you know, we want to latch on and believe.
Lindsay (01:00):
How dare you take this from me?
Ilyse (01:05):
I'm not taking it. I'm fully there with you. I'm also noticing that my signature cowboy boots are red. You know, it could be many things. And it could be nothing, nothing, which is what we found out on our healing journeys.
Lindsay (01:10):
Absolutely. Welcome to the healing podcast. I'm Lindsey Camp.
Ilyse (01:15):
And I'm Ilyse Kennedy. And this is a little teaser episode.
Lindsay (01:20):
Okay, so it's been brought up through many of our hillers that we do a podcast.
Ilyse (01:25):
first was rev Meg and then many since.
Lindsay (01:30):
And we got to work at the end of December and committed that January we were going to create this podcast and get it going. And we did. And nobody asked…no one asked two more white women to take to the mic.
Ilyse (01:35):
But here we are.
Here we are. We've got our mics and we're ready.
Lindsay (01:45):
We're ready. Okay, tell us about healing.
Ilyse (01:50):
Lindsay and I are therapist besties and over the past two years, we've been going through some shit. I think that it's a really unique experience to be a healer and be going through a really intense grieving period. I also think that for both of us it made us much better therapists. And when you're going through really intense grief, or trauma, you kind of don't know where to anchor yourself. So you look towards what you can for healing. I kind of called our experience like grief first aid, because we had to go through these really intense experiences of my divorce and your loss of your mom. And then we had to continue showing up for our clients and being therapists and holding a lot of space for other people and not allowing our own stuff to get mixed up in that. So during this year, we've tried many different forms of healing. And I think why we took to the mics was to both share about the intense grief and the intense joy that we have called our hilling journeys, coined, of course, by Whitney Wild Rose from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Lindsay (01:55):
There’s gonna be a bit of our bullshit.
Ilyse (02:00):
A lot of our bullshit.
Lindsay (02:05):
A lot of our bullshit. Some laughs, some cool interviews, some hard discussions. Tears, always tears. Okay, so that's what we're up to.
Ilyse (02:10):
We've taken to the mics.
Lindsay (02:15):
We're healing.
Ilyse (02:20):
hilling.
Lindsay (02:25):
hilling, hilling.
Ilyse (02:30):
Usually when you're putting a podcast out into the ether, you want to talk about who might want to listen to it. I think we are going to do the opposite. And there are definitely some people who might not want to listen. My dad, Bernie, you might not want to listen to this. We are going to be talking about dating, and sex, and sending thirst traps. And my dad may not want to listen. What about your dad, Lindsay?
Lindsay (02:35):
He claims he's going to listen to them all. And I said, with caution, sir. With caution. He shouldn't, but he will be. Yeah, I've been thinking about I've had a couple of clients who have noticed what we've been up to on the internet. And so we've been so nutty. I know that there's tons of therapists out there that have podcasts. And I'm sure that there's tons of therapists out there that are like talking about, like their real life to a degree on a podcast. And they've got clients. And that's a conversation. I work primarily with teenagers. And I, I'm thinking about how drug forward some of our ups are going to be and how 99% of my clients don't know that I enjoy a little THC, but now they can all know.
Ilyse (02:40):
You just said it. You just said it on the air.
Lindsay (02:45):
I did. I just let everybody know. Oh, God. Okay, so that's, that's a like, I'm so excited for us to be talking about like these intersections of mental health and humanity, like being a human and being a therapist, and grief and healing. And we've had this conversation about like, this is going to, we're going to have to be stretching ourselves into some vulnerable places that we as therapists have been trained not to go to.
Ilyse (02:50):
One of the things that we've both come into contact with and one of the reasons why we're entering into this podcast with our full humanity showing is that in the depths of grief it also wakes up so much aliveness and being really present with yourself means being with all of the messiness that comes about. I think it also opened us up to having a lot more fun and in embracing our aliveness that meant like embracing our sexuality, it meant embracing mushrooms, it meant embracing experiences where we're just very much thrust into the present like seeing live music, dancing, and part of why I'm open to sharing that even though there's a risk of clients listening. And Freud would not be cool with us not being a blank slate is because I think you need that intense joy alongside the deep grief to move through the hilling.
Lindsay (02:55):
Yeah, we've had a lot of fun these last couple of years and despite it all.
Ilyse (03:00):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Lindsay (03:05):
I was also going to say that you mentioned it made us better therapists. I also have been the worst therapist in some ways. My admin skills have been trash on my healing journey. My response time is trash on my healing journey and so it's kind of interesting that embracing of human parts and our therapeutic parts shows up so much more when we're in these depths.
Ilyse (03:10):
Yeah, you know, when the housewives have a season where we're like, come on, Mary M. Cosby, like you're being paid to be here. Go sit with the ladies like what are you doing sitting in a lounge chair away from everyone else, shunning Whitney Wild Rose? Go chat with the ladies. But Mary M. Cosby is clocked the fuck in this season. She is earning her paycheck. That's how I feel.
I was clocked out for like two seasons, not to a huge detriment, sure. During this time I was seeking a lot of supervision because I think when we're bumping up against our own stuff and we're holding clients who are processing intense trauma, like you better be seeking supervision if you're in the midst of a divorce so that your stuff isn't bleeding out into the therapy room. And one of my mentors said, you know, a lot of therapists have been going through their own stuff lately. Like this has been a common theme since COVID of just the intensity of what we're going through picking up. Lindsay (03:15):
Like universally we're parallel processing across the board with all of our clients. That was such a different experience than we've ever had.
Ilyse (03:20):
Such a different experience. And he said to me, sometimes all our clients need is a warm body and that hit. And when we went further, I was like, and I know that even when I'm not clocked all the way in, I'm giving more than just a warm body because of all the healing work I've already done and because of all the trainings I've already done. So we're clocked back in.
Lindsay (03:25):
We're clocked in right now at 9:16 pm on Wednesday, which is crazy. It's crazy that I'm up at this hour.
Ilyse (03:30):
Yes.
Lindsay (03:35):
What are you most excited about for this season, for the release of season one? What are you most excited about for this project?
Ilyse (03:40):
Excitement and terror works on the same plane. So, you know, I think actually what I'm most excited about, which I was thinking about, is through our healing journeys, this friendship has become a really important attachment relationship for me. And I think when I listen to other podcasts, one of my favorite pieces of other podcasts is listening to best friends because it makes you feel like you're a part of it. And so I'm excited to offer our friendship as sort of a container through the podcast for everything that we're talking about. What about you?
Lindsay (03:45):
I love that so much. Mine was in that similar vein, but more I love that because, yeah, we need in healing and grief and all of it--We need community. And so, yeah, to offer a bit more of that beyond ourselves. I'm very excited about and selfishly, I'm very excited because I can already feel this like stretching me and expanding me into like parts that I haven't touched yet in the depth of our friendship and the safety of our friendship. That's I'm really excited about who we’ll be through this and who we’ll be on the other side.
Ilyse (03:50):
I've already been doxed by the right wing, so I don't think it can get worse. So I'm ready for whatever comes our way.
Lindsay (03:55):
I did text you the other night that I was nervous about being in a position to be canceled, not that I'm claiming to be, but putting myself out there feels so vulnerable and I can't wait for my voice to sound normal when we do these. I can't wait to like stop fidgeting. I can't wait to get comfortable in this and really settle into what we're up to.
Ilyse (04:00):
I'd rather be canceled than doxed again, because when they dox you, they really come for you. I can't correct my correct views, but if I'm canceled, I can do some learning and some corrective experiences. I can't do much for Ben Shapiro.
Lindsay (04:05):
Beautifully said.
Ilyse (04:10):
Well, that's our little teaser. You can subscribe to our podcast wherever you found this and follow along with us on Instagram at The Hilling Journey and if you would like to contact us for any reason, but hopefully not to cancel us, you can contact us at thehillingjourney@gmail.com. Stay tuned for our first episode dropping Valentine's Day.
Lindsay (04:15):
Thank you. Bye.
I’ve got to talk to you about something.
Ilyse (00:15):
Okay.
Lindsay (00:20):
Maybe I'll jog your memory. And if I need to, I can play it because I've got a queued up. Do you remember what Tara, our psychic medium, said about red shoes?
Ilyse (00:25):
I kind of remember, but I don't remember what she said.
Lindsay (00:30):
Okay, well, I've got it queued up. And I want to just play you a little something. Okay. Are you ready? Ready? Okay, here we go. I got to show you this.
Tara (00:35):
Red shoes is coming through as well. Yeah, either it was a thing or there's a photograph of red shoes specifically. And it doesn't feel like Dorothy's red shoes. Funny enough, I keep hearing this song. Here's that clear audience. Put on your red shoes and dance with me. Oh, David Bowie. Oh, so yeah, I feel like there's something either significant around that song or red shoes specifically. Again, it doesn't feel like Dorothy and the Ruby slippers. So put that in your pocket for later. I can send you home with this as well. Normally, I get you guys to take notes.
Lindsay (00:40):
Okay. So Tara said to me, to put that in my back pocket, that there was going to be something with red shoes. And she had said like, Do you have any red shoes? Did your mom have red shoes? And she was like, channeling my mom. And I nodded yes, because like, my mom had some red shoes, like that, that fits, but nothing significant was like coming to mind around it.
Last night, do you remember when I told you I couldn't record with you last night because I needed to help my dad with some stuff? Yeah, guess what? We placed an order for last night, red shoes. Yes. Ilyse (00:45):
Why?
Lindsay (00:50):
He's going on a trip with his girlfriend, and needed a little present for her for Valentine's Day. And he bought her with some like slippers. Like I was like, what about some slippers? And I was showing him the options. There were like several different colors. And he was drawn to the red ones. And so we placed an order for red shoes last night. How crazy is that?
Ilyse (00:55):
I mean, as with anything that's coming through from the other side, you know, we want to latch on and believe.
Lindsay (01:00):
How dare you take this from me?
Ilyse (01:05):
I'm not taking it. I'm fully there with you. I'm also noticing that my signature cowboy boots are red. You know, it could be many things. And it could be nothing, nothing, which is what we found out on our healing journeys.
Lindsay (01:10):
Absolutely. Welcome to the healing podcast. I'm Lindsey Camp.
Ilyse (01:15):
And I'm Ilyse Kennedy. And this is a little teaser episode.
Lindsay (01:20):
Okay, so it's been brought up through many of our hillers that we do a podcast.
Ilyse (01:25):
first was rev Meg and then many since.
Lindsay (01:30):
And we got to work at the end of December and committed that January we were going to create this podcast and get it going. And we did. And nobody asked…no one asked two more white women to take to the mic.
Ilyse (01:35):
But here we are.
Here we are. We've got our mics and we're ready.
Lindsay (01:45):
We're ready. Okay, tell us about healing.
Ilyse (01:50):
Lindsay and I are therapist besties and over the past two years, we've been going through some shit. I think that it's a really unique experience to be a healer and be going through a really intense grieving period. I also think that for both of us it made us much better therapists. And when you're going through really intense grief, or trauma, you kind of don't know where to anchor yourself. So you look towards what you can for healing. I kind of called our experience like grief first aid, because we had to go through these really intense experiences of my divorce and your loss of your mom. And then we had to continue showing up for our clients and being therapists and holding a lot of space for other people and not allowing our own stuff to get mixed up in that. So during this year, we've tried many different forms of healing. And I think why we took to the mics was to both share about the intense grief and the intense joy that we have called our hilling journeys, coined, of course, by Whitney Wild Rose from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Lindsay (01:55):
There’s gonna be a bit of our bullshit.
Ilyse (02:00):
A lot of our bullshit.
Lindsay (02:05):
A lot of our bullshit. Some laughs, some cool interviews, some hard discussions. Tears, always tears. Okay, so that's what we're up to.
Ilyse (02:10):
We've taken to the mics.
Lindsay (02:15):
We're healing.
Ilyse (02:20):
hilling.
Lindsay (02:25):
hilling, hilling.
Ilyse (02:30):
Usually when you're putting a podcast out into the ether, you want to talk about who might want to listen to it. I think we are going to do the opposite. And there are definitely some people who might not want to listen. My dad, Bernie, you might not want to listen to this. We are going to be talking about dating, and sex, and sending thirst traps. And my dad may not want to listen. What about your dad, Lindsay?
Lindsay (02:35):
He claims he's going to listen to them all. And I said, with caution, sir. With caution. He shouldn't, but he will be. Yeah, I've been thinking about I've had a couple of clients who have noticed what we've been up to on the internet. And so we've been so nutty. I know that there's tons of therapists out there that have podcasts. And I'm sure that there's tons of therapists out there that are like talking about, like their real life to a degree on a podcast. And they've got clients. And that's a conversation. I work primarily with teenagers. And I, I'm thinking about how drug forward some of our ups are going to be and how 99% of my clients don't know that I enjoy a little THC, but now they can all know.
Ilyse (02:40):
You just said it. You just said it on the air.
Lindsay (02:45):
I did. I just let everybody know. Oh, God. Okay, so that's, that's a like, I'm so excited for us to be talking about like these intersections of mental health and humanity, like being a human and being a therapist, and grief and healing. And we've had this conversation about like, this is going to, we're going to have to be stretching ourselves into some vulnerable places that we as therapists have been trained not to go to.
Ilyse (02:50):
One of the things that we've both come into contact with and one of the reasons why we're entering into this podcast with our full humanity showing is that in the depths of grief it also wakes up so much aliveness and being really present with yourself means being with all of the messiness that comes about. I think it also opened us up to having a lot more fun and in embracing our aliveness that meant like embracing our sexuality, it meant embracing mushrooms, it meant embracing experiences where we're just very much thrust into the present like seeing live music, dancing, and part of why I'm open to sharing that even though there's a risk of clients listening. And Freud would not be cool with us not being a blank slate is because I think you need that intense joy alongside the deep grief to move through the hilling.
Lindsay (02:55):
Yeah, we've had a lot of fun these last couple of years and despite it all.
Ilyse (03:00):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Lindsay (03:05):
I was also going to say that you mentioned it made us better therapists. I also have been the worst therapist in some ways. My admin skills have been trash on my healing journey. My response time is trash on my healing journey and so it's kind of interesting that embracing of human parts and our therapeutic parts shows up so much more when we're in these depths.
Ilyse (03:10):
Yeah, you know, when the housewives have a season where we're like, come on, Mary M. Cosby, like you're being paid to be here. Go sit with the ladies like what are you doing sitting in a lounge chair away from everyone else, shunning Whitney Wild Rose? Go chat with the ladies. But Mary M. Cosby is clocked the fuck in this season. She is earning her paycheck. That's how I feel.
I was clocked out for like two seasons, not to a huge detriment, sure. During this time I was seeking a lot of supervision because I think when we're bumping up against our own stuff and we're holding clients who are processing intense trauma, like you better be seeking supervision if you're in the midst of a divorce so that your stuff isn't bleeding out into the therapy room. And one of my mentors said, you know, a lot of therapists have been going through their own stuff lately. Like this has been a common theme since COVID of just the intensity of what we're going through picking up. Lindsay (03:15):
Like universally we're parallel processing across the board with all of our clients. That was such a different experience than we've ever had.
Ilyse (03:20):
Such a different experience. And he said to me, sometimes all our clients need is a warm body and that hit. And when we went further, I was like, and I know that even when I'm not clocked all the way in, I'm giving more than just a warm body because of all the healing work I've already done and because of all the trainings I've already done. So we're clocked back in.
Lindsay (03:25):
We're clocked in right now at 9:16 pm on Wednesday, which is crazy. It's crazy that I'm up at this hour.
Ilyse (03:30):
Yes.
Lindsay (03:35):
What are you most excited about for this season, for the release of season one? What are you most excited about for this project?
Ilyse (03:40):
Excitement and terror works on the same plane. So, you know, I think actually what I'm most excited about, which I was thinking about, is through our healing journeys, this friendship has become a really important attachment relationship for me. And I think when I listen to other podcasts, one of my favorite pieces of other podcasts is listening to best friends because it makes you feel like you're a part of it. And so I'm excited to offer our friendship as sort of a container through the podcast for everything that we're talking about. What about you?
Lindsay (03:45):
I love that so much. Mine was in that similar vein, but more I love that because, yeah, we need in healing and grief and all of it--We need community. And so, yeah, to offer a bit more of that beyond ourselves. I'm very excited about and selfishly, I'm very excited because I can already feel this like stretching me and expanding me into like parts that I haven't touched yet in the depth of our friendship and the safety of our friendship. That's I'm really excited about who we’ll be through this and who we’ll be on the other side.
Ilyse (03:50):
I've already been doxed by the right wing, so I don't think it can get worse. So I'm ready for whatever comes our way.
Lindsay (03:55):
I did text you the other night that I was nervous about being in a position to be canceled, not that I'm claiming to be, but putting myself out there feels so vulnerable and I can't wait for my voice to sound normal when we do these. I can't wait to like stop fidgeting. I can't wait to get comfortable in this and really settle into what we're up to.
Ilyse (04:00):
I'd rather be canceled than doxed again, because when they dox you, they really come for you. I can't correct my correct views, but if I'm canceled, I can do some learning and some corrective experiences. I can't do much for Ben Shapiro.
Lindsay (04:05):
Beautifully said.
Ilyse (04:10):
Well, that's our little teaser. You can subscribe to our podcast wherever you found this and follow along with us on Instagram at The Hilling Journey and if you would like to contact us for any reason, but hopefully not to cancel us, you can contact us at thehillingjourney@gmail.com. Stay tuned for our first episode dropping Valentine's Day.
Lindsay (04:15):
Thank you. Bye.
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