April 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Co-Host Lucia (https://mountaintoppodcast.com/lucia) Remember those old pickup artist ads that used to promise getting you '10s...who are reserved for rock stars'? Well, my new friend Lucia is a dating expert who has indeed worked with rock stars and other celebrities...as have I. However, of particular interest there is that she specializes in breakups and getting exes back. So what do you know? Everyone who dates gets broken up with, even rock stars. So there's no shame in that, after all. But what if you could dramatically increase your odds of NOT getting broken up with? That sounded like a great topic to me, and Lucia brought a great discussion to the show. So then, what are the first steps to 'breakup proofing' yourself? I mean, being the kind of man women want to keep around forever would be a great start, right? For womens' part, I've met my fair share for sweet, sane, beautiful women who actually like men...none of whom have ever met a so-called 'commitment phobe'. But according to Lucia, most married couples she knows went through at least one breakup, and she disagrees with me that couples who split probably do so for good reason and should stay that way. But it seems to me like every old couple I know who has been married for years met as highschool sweethearts and stayed that way. So, what has changed over the years with how men and women date and relate? What are the TWO WORDS that separate men who get broken up with from men who make women addicted to them? (Hint: You've heard me say the same thing.) How do most men blow their chances at making women want them forever before they even leave the house? Do men and women both get 'triggered' too easily lately, to the peril of what's actually a perfectly good relationship? An interesting, important and even entertaining conversation overall. Get more of what you want when you visit https://mountaintoppodcast.com
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>> Scot McKay (00:01):
All right, gentlemen, here's the deal. I, just today dropped A brand new
YouTube series called the Future is now on my
YouTube channel, which is at YouTube.com
Scot McKay S C O T McK
A Y what's it all about? Well,
it seems like not so long ago, certain things
sounded futuristic and they're already here. And a lot of
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that applies directly to how we relate to women, which
is why I felt, well, now was the best
time to publish these videos. They're all there
for you in a nice neat playlist right there at the top of
the channel@YouTube.com
ScottMakay yeah, man, they're all there
already. You don't have to wait for one to be
published every week or something like that. You can go ahead and binge watch
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them, but they're only about five or six minutes each.
Anyway, I think you guys are really going to like them. It's going to
challenge your imagination and your presumptions as
well. All of those videos are there for you, along with a whole lot of
other ones, including the video versions of every one of
these podcast episodes@YouTube.com
ScottMakay now we have a pretty
(01:04):
good episode for you featuring my new friend Lucia.
I decided to put this one back to back against
the one with Gary Sawer last week because the themes
that we cover are quite similar. And I really think
you're going toa like Lucia. She's super cool. Here
we go.
>> Edroy Odem (01:25):
Live, from the mist and shrouded mountain fort that is
X and Y communications headquarters. You're listening
to the world famous mountaintop podcast. And
now here's your host, Scot McKay.
>> Scot McKay (01:39):
All right, how's it going, gentlemen? Welcome to yet another episode of the
world famous mountaintop podcast. As always, I am your
host, Scot McKay. You can find me Scot
McKay on X, on True Social, on
TikTK and on YouTube. And you
can also find me rcoott mckay on Instagram.
The website is moountdoppodcast.com. if you
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there because it's been changed around a little bit, especially
the pages for these shows. The show notes pages
themselves have been changed quite a bit. go check it out. You'll
probably like what you see. Matter of fact, you definitely will like what you
see. You'll also definitely like joining
the mountaintop Summit on Facebook, which is our lively
band of brothers who are getting better with women
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and also getting better as men
in general. With me today is a
brand new friend and I like her already. I was chitch
chatting with her before we started. She is
from LA and she has all the glitz and glamour to go
with it. You guys are going to really enjoy her. And today we're going
to talk about how to break up, proof
yourself and make women basically love you
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forever. Now this can turn out to be a high quality problem,
but I'm going to let my new friend and my first time
guest, Lucia, introduce herself to
you and talk all about it. This is like the Dating game.
Lucia. Say hi to the bachelors, Lucia.
>> Lucia (02:59):
Yes. Hello, gentlemen. I'm happy to be here. My name
is Lucia and I'm a dating and relationship
expert and I specialize in helping people get their ex back. I
have clients from all over, all over the world. I've
had FBI agents, Rockars,
actors, CEOs, and I love what I
do. I love to help people to get their ex back. But I can
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also help you if you don't need to get your ex back. Whatever
you need help with in dating, I'm here.
>> Scot McKay (03:25):
Fantastic. So you and I are in
somewhat similar fields of expertise
and endeavor, yet we haven't really crossed paths before. I think
you just end up working with a bunch of different people. I didn't
see you darkening the door of my pickup artist masterminds
back in the day, so that was probably good on you.
You probably wanted nothing to do with those guys, huh?
>> Lucia (03:45):
right. Yeah, exactly.
>> Scot McKay (03:47):
Fair enough. You know, it's interesting because
one or more of the pickup artists back
in the day used to market to
men. Single men, usually desperate guys
who haven't gotten any in a while, who are feeling kind of
a dry spell between their legs by
saying, you know, now you can get tens who are
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reserved for celebrities and rock stars. And I thought
it incredibly interesting that you mentioned
that among your clients are rock stars,
which means even rockst star get broken up with.
>> Lucia (04:18):
It doesn't matter who you are. At some point, if you date long enough,
you will get dumped.
>> Scot McKay (04:22):
As a matter of fact, show me someone who's never been broken up with and I'll show
you someone who hasn't done a whole lot of dating.
>> Lucia (04:27):
Exactly. So unless you, you know, get married when you're 20 and
stay married, at some point, you will be dumped and you'll want
your ex back.
>> Scot McKay (04:34):
Now that set. By the time my
singlehood was wrapping up and I met Emily, I was dating a
string of women. Lucia, who really had a
much different dating issue.
A higher quality problem, if you will,
than guys, you know, dragging them along,
dating them for like two years and not putting a ring on it. They didn't,
they didn't meet a whole lot of guys who were
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commitment phobic. Instead they met a bunch
of guys who wanted to propose marriage to them, like after
the third date. Because guys would meet them and go,
well, you're everything I need. You like men, you're feminine,
you're sweet, your body count isn't through the roof,
you have a decent job and you vote like
me and you pray like me. And you don't really have this
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axe to grind with men in general. And they're like, I
just want to marry you. Now. All were very pretty
women, all of them were very
sane women who didn't have mental illnesses.
And they had all those other things in common too. But
those women all reported to me they'd never met a commitment
fo before. Isn't that interesting?
>> Lucia (05:36):
That's very interesting because as you know, most
guys do not want to get married or it takes them
a long time to get to the point where they do want to get married. I
mean everyone, if you ask most people who are married,
you'll find out that there was usually a breakup at some
point and then they got back together and then they got
married.
>> Scot McKay (05:54):
That's just messy. I don't think people are supposed to break up and
get back together. If you break up, it's for a reason, don't you think?
>> Lucia (06:00):
Not necessarily. Sometimes it's the timing.
Sometimes one person hasn't healed from a previous
relationship and oftentimes the
guy just, he doesn't want to get married. It happened with my sister
and now they've been married for 45 years. Her
husband didn't want to get married initially. A very good friend
of mine, like so many people, just ask any
stranger that you meet who's mared'like did you
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break up before you got married? And I bet you the answer is going to be
yes.
>> Scot McKay (06:27):
That's really interesting. I think a lot of people
do need to grow up, especially if they're young and in a
relationship together. You see a lot of oldsters
talking about how they married their high school sweetheart,
right? One of my friends, his parents just
celebrated their 80th wedding
anniversary.
>> Lucia (06:44):
Wow.
>> Scot McKay (06:46):
He's 100. And she's going to be 99 in three
weeks from when we're recording this. So he
was 20 and she was 19 when they got married. And they've been
together happily by the Way by all accounts,
longer than most people live.
>> Lucia (06:59):
Yeah, that's true.
>> Scot McKay (07:01):
Crazy.
>> Lucia (07:01):
Ye.
>> Scot McKay (07:02):
So, I mean, maybe in the old days,
people met their honey and
got married happily. Nowadays, people have to shop and
change who they're dating, date several dozen or more
people before they know what they want, and then break up
with them a couple times just to make sure. What has happened
over the course of history within the last several decades? What do you
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think?
>> Lucia (07:23):
Well, the problem is that, strangely enough, the more
choices you have, the harder it becomes to make a
decision. So you know, if you're in a
small town or you meet, know, before the
Internet you only had a handful of
people. So it's like, okay, I only have a choice of two or three guys. All right, I'll take
that one. But now you can just go online and just
guy after guy or a woman after woman and it's like,
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well, why should I make a choice?
>> Scot McKay (07:47):
And you know what's really funny? 45 years ago, the
bandivo.
>> Lucia (07:51):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (07:52):
Which of course was a weirdly cool band, yet
actually pretty cynical if you listen to their lyrics. Right.
Had a song called Freedom of Choice, which was the title song
from the same album that Whipp it'on Right. Which is their iconic
tune. And the point of the song is
freedom of choice is what you got and freedom from
choice is what you want. You know, it talks about a dog chasing
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its tail and falling over over two bones and you know, the
choice there, and it's a silly song. You had a very
poignant song at the same time. And Lucia, that was 45
years ago. We didn't have mass
media and social media and the swipe. Right culture that we
have now, it's devolved, you know, which
is another kind of devo theme. Right. That
was basically the name of their band, De Evolution.
>> Lucia (08:35):
Wow. I never thought it.
>> Scot McKay (08:36):
Yeah, well, no, that's the fact. Right. But I mean, nowadays, if human
nature is such that we would really not like to have so much
choices, then we're really torturing ourselves. You
know what I mean?
>> Lucia (08:46):
Yeah. But with the Swipe apps now, I just don't
see how we're going to get out of this.
>> Scot McKay (08:50):
Oh yeah. The Pandora's box is wfo. It's
wide open. Oh yeah, right. There's no shutting that back
inside. Yeah. But, people
nowadays, are very fickle.
They don't give people much of a
chance. The first impression is often the last impression.
And these are people who might even not have a whole lot of options
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when it comes to dating. They're just so used to making a
need jerk reaction judging people. I mean, this
in my opinion, was exacerbated by Twitter when it first came
out. Because someone gives 140
characters of what they're thinking and everyone else reading
closes every gap surrounding this person's personality and
their character, etc. And decides what they think of them based on
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whether they agree or disagree with, a 140 character
POS. And that's become habit 20 years
later. You know what I mean?
>> Lucia (09:38):
Yeah, I mean, actually I did this the other day
and so I want to get your opinion as a man. I'm on
bumble and I asked him how the bumbling was
going, which is my opening line to every guy on there.
And he said it's been a bloodbath.
>> Scot McKay (09:52):
That's a rough term.
>> Lucia (09:54):
Exact. Right? I didn't like that term. It's like, why did
he have to choose that term out of all the terms he could have
used?
>> Scot McKay (10:00):
Because he's a guy.
>> Lucia (10:02):
Well, but I didn't like that. So you know what? I unmatched
him.
>> Scot McKay (10:05):
Yeah, well, I mean, he obviously doesn't know his way around women if he
starts referring to bloodbaths. You know, I tell guys on first
dates, don't talk about guns. Don't talk about dark
movies. Don't talk about murder and
death and this massive pile up in Austin that killed a bunch of
people. Just, you know, be light and warm on first
dates. Keep the dark stuff to yourself.
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Otherwise she's not going to feel very safe and comfortable around you.
She's go going to feel, well, dark. Like the energy you're
projecting.
>> Lucia (10:32):
Right. That's why I thought. Because I thought even if I
meet him and go forward, that's always going to be in the back of my
mind that he used that word. When,
you know, it's like, okay, I'm waiting for that alternate
personality to pop up.
>> Scot McKay (10:44):
Yeah. Even in your horniest, most prurient fantasies,
the word bloodbath probably doesn't take much of a role, you
know?
>> Lucia (10:51):
No, no, no.
>> Scot McKay (10:53):
Okay, so let's talk about men and how
men can become more like those women who
have guys proposing to them after three or
four dates instead of, well, women
hanging around and not really sure and
not wanting to be exclusive. I mean, typically
women are sort of relationship minded. Although it's
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a brave new world out there and many aren't. A
lot of act like cheesy pickup artists themselves. But when
a guy experiences a pattern of going on a date or
Two and the woman saying E. maybe not
or not so much or, I just think you and I should be
friends. You know, thatle routine. What's going
on with that guy versus the guy who
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can't really stop women from getting the feels
very early and latching ono them and wanting more, more and
more. I mean, two big problems.
One's a higher quality problem than the other, and obviously the
balance is probably what we're looking for. But I think a lot
of guys who have experienced frustration dating and
relating to women probably would love to have the higher quality
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problem than the lesser quality problem. So what are
the big differences between guys who have staying power
with women who create that long lasting
attraction in that, well, I'm going to call it almost addiction
that the woman wants more of him than less. What
separates those guys from the rest of the herd?
>> Lucia (12:09):
Lucia, two words. Masculine
energy. If you've been
speak.
>> Scot McKay (12:15):
You speak of my language.
>> Lucia (12:17):
I speak of your language.
>> Scot McKay (12:18):
You're Italiano, by the way.
>> Lucia (12:20):
Paraliano. Okay, so if you've
been friend zoned, there wasn't enough masculine energy.
>> Scot McKay (12:26):
Boom. Thank you so much for being one of the
few and the proud who actually get it because I have had to
argue with people about this before. Do
tell. Continue. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm just excited. Go
ahead.
>> Lucia (12:38):
I'm all about male and female energy because, you know,
there's polarity. So if you're not
masculine enough, then she has to go into
her masculine to balance that out. It's like a seesaw.
So if you're down on the seesaw, she's gonna go up,
and you don't want her up and you down or vice versa. You need to be
balanced. So if you're. The more you're in your
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masculine, the more she can be in her feminine, the
safer she feels with you, the more she can be in her feminine.
And the more she's in her feminine, the easier it is for her to fall
in love. And she would never friend zone you.
>> Scot McKay (13:09):
I know so few people who understand what you
just articulated, yet I have never
had a female human being argue with the premise.
Isn't that something?
>> Lucia (13:20):
Yeah, because we know it.
>> Scot McKay (13:22):
Right? But I've had female human beings argue
with me that men and women both have masculine and
feminine and energy and this, that and the other. And I'm just
like. Well, you know, as I see it, and
I'm going to repeat it here for you, Lucia,
masculinity and femininity are the
psychosoci social Building blocks of sexual
attraction. If there is no psychose
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sexual component, no soul
based, even cognitively
based component to sexuality, then we're reduced
to body parts and primal impulses.
And I think that's insulting to most
women to think of sex that way.
>> Lucia (13:59):
It's insulting to all women.
>> Scot McKay (14:01):
Well, it's insulting to the human race. I mean, we're more involved in that. We're
not, you know, mice. So much for the Discovery Channel,
right? But men and women
flirt, Men and women enjoy that energy.
And it does polarize in a way that
magnetizes. So yes, the man makes
a woman feel safe and comfortable. he's a
provider and a protector and an enabler
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and a celebrant of all things feminine. And when
the woman feels like she's got a safe space to be feminine, then
she brings all those things that we live for in weekends, Lucia,
like love, joy, comfort,
play. All that fun
that women bring to life that so few guys know
how to achieve on their own. So she's got to pick up the
masculine and make herself feel
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safe on a date, for lack of better word. It almost
feels silly to have to say that. then
what's probably going on is she's seeing the man across the table
from her as someone she needs to provide and protect for, and that turns
her into his mommy instead of his potential lover.
And boy, is that an attraction killer.
>> Lucia (15:01):
Right, right. And this is why, you know,
we have the courtesies of opening the car door
for the woman pulling out her chair,
carrying her heavy bags. Not because she can't do it
herself, but because she has to go into her masculine to
do that. You know, opening a car door, sometimes they're heavy.
>> Scot McKay (15:18):
And so it's just a demonstration that we get it. It's
a first impression.
>> Lucia (15:22):
But also she can say her feminine energy. She just stands there, you
open the door, she can walk in, she stands there, you pull up the chair, she
sits down.
>> Scot McKay (15:29):
That's exactly right. And you know what? So
many guys have lost sight of this that what
I tell the men listening to this show and reading my newsletter
and anybody who will hear from the rooftops,
frankly, is that you have no competition anymore.
Guys, all these Gen Z guys have
neutered themselves. They don't even have the
wherewithal to move out of their mommy's basement and get their
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own life. And they're wondering where all the women are.
And meanwhile the women are wondering where all the real men
are.
And the real men sure as hell aren't the aforementioned Guys with
the Cheeto fingers and the video games.
>> Lucia (16:03):
Yeah, the real men are on your channel, probably.
And I tell guys, it's so easy
to stand out today because guys aren't
putting a lot of effort in. They're all walking around in these
sweatpants. So if you actually wear
real clothes and a shirt
and you work out and you keep your beard
trimmed and you get, a haircut that works
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for your face, that can make such a big difference,
and you have some manners. That's it. You got
them. You'll have women flocking.
You'll have to beat them with a stick.
>> Scot McKay (16:36):
Well, I think you brought up kind of an a cursory
fashion, something that's very important for a lot of guys to remember.
You don't have to be a pretty boy. And you may agree or
disagree with this premise, Lucia. but I don't think women want a man who's quote
unquote, prettier than they are. You know, they want to be the pretty
one in a relationship. But women really do look for a
man who is doing the best with what he's got.
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The term I've heard that I really like is a man who's put
together. That's what women are looking for. Right.
>> Lucia (17:02):
That's why we have, you know, the gay best friends. Because the
gay guys, they're doing it right. They're dressing right,
they're working out, they've got the haircut, the beard. So we
want a straight guy like that.
>> Scot McKay (17:14):
Well, you know, I tell guys all the time, if you go to
a store that represents a style that you think would
match up with your lifestyle and your personality.
Right. Because style isn't just about clothes. It's about
demonstrating who you are to the world.
One of your best bets is to find a gay dude and have him dress you.
>> Lucia (17:31):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (17:31):
Like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, that TV show used to be. And
guys are thinking like, well, he's go goingna try to dress me gay. No, man, he's
a humanoid. He knows you're straight. He's not going toa try to dress you
like, like you're gay. He'll know what to do. But
he will know what to do and how to do it.
>> Lucia (17:45):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (17:46):
And you can also get women to help you get that put together. Look, they
know exactly what you mean by that. the worst you can
do is just go get some sloppy dude to
sell you another pair of mom jeans to go with your
Dockers and your logo
polo shirts from the office. I mean, that'll
never Cut it. But lots of guys will have their little echo
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chamber where they all agree that this shouldn't
matter. When it absolutely does, you're right on the money.
>> Lucia (18:12):
Absolutely.
>> Scot McKay (18:13):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (18:13):
That's what women want, I'm telling you.
>> Scot McKay (18:15):
Well, the demonstration there is that
you know how to make decisions,
you know how to put things
in order, including yourself. Because if
you're a mess, everything's going to be a mess that you touch.
So if you give this first impression that your life is
put together, then that will pretty much sub
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communicate to just about every woman that you know how to
lead, you know how to provide, and you know how to protect.
Boom. There's that sexual attraction you're looking
for.
>> Lucia (18:45):
Yeah. And as I mentioned, you know, the working out.
Like, I see a lot of guys in these dating apps. They
are all. Well, not all of them, but a lot of them are
overweight. And if they would just go to the gym, if they would
just lose maybe even 20 or 30 pounds, their
face would be more sculpted, they would be more
attractive, and they'd get more women.
>> Scot McKay (19:03):
Yeah, I'm a lost cause, Lucia. I got this little
baby face with the chipmunk cheeks that grandmas s love to
pinch. And I'm 58 years old. I don't think they're ever going to go
away. And I used to be cut like
a gymnast, an Olympic gymnast, and I still had that same face.
And it's funny because I think a certain woman actually
liked that and thought I was cute. My wife was like that.
But, yeah, so much for that. I couldn't have a chiseled
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James Bond face if I starved myself on a hunger strike
for the next couple months, I'd probably die before the
chipmunk cheeks went away. As weir as it sounds.
But anyway, enough about me, all right? A lot of this is based on
first impression. Once we start
relating to a woman, she knows that we
can make her feel safe and secure. she knows we're
well put together. But what is it that's going to make
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a woman who's interested in us and attracted to us
want to become our girlfriend,
fiance, or future wife someday? What
is it that really gives a woman that
idea that, man, she doesn't ever want to let this guy go?
>> Lucia (20:04):
Okay, so obviously, besides the masculine energy, we're assuming
there's compatibility there.
>> Scot McKay (20:08):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (20:09):
Have to be exactly the same. There s. There's chemistry, there's
attraction. After that, it's then how you
handle conflict.
>> Scot McKay (20:16):
Very interesting. In fact, our guest co host
just last week Gary Sawyer talked about something
very similar, so there must be something to it, Right.
>> Lucia (20:25):
That really shows who you are. Because, you
know, if the woman is insecure, she's going to start
behaving in a way that might be bratty.
you know, she might disappear, she might go, shoot. Is how
you handle that situation. That again,
shows whether you can handle it like a man
or like a baby. And so you
can't get in your feelings and say, oh, well, she did this. I'm
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notnna talk to her. It's like, no, no, we're gonna talk about this. Like,
you need to take control of the situation whenever there's a
conflict.
>> Scot McKay (20:54):
Yeah. I think it's interesting that you brought up that masculine
energy again. And I think it would be helpful to
underscore that whatever you did to attractor at the
beginning, you better not get lazy with. You need
to keep doing that. Just like, in all fairness, if a
woman is svel in physique, when
you first meters, you can't go gain
£150 eating bon bons all day and expect
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you to be just as hot for. That would be unreasonable.
>> Lucia (21:20):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (21:20):
But I think a lot of guys think like, okay, now I can relax
the whole, you know, this whole idea front and that I'm real
masculine and I know how to provide and protect. Yeah, well, I'm
just gonna watch football on Sundays, and if the sink'broken you know,
maybe she can fix it. That's
not going toa make her happy. That's going to turn her into the
stereotypical nagging wife.
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But, with that out of the way, the other things you said
there, I think are amazing. The compatibility, for example.
So many people are so desperate to have anyone
in their life who can fog a mirror that they finally meet someone who
they're reasonably attracted to and they just
go into some kind of cognitive dissonance
regarding the rest of this person's entire being. You
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know, they're a horrible person. they're not nice to
people. They may even have a little psychosis action going
on here, but they go, oh, well, I'm sure it'll be all right.
I've never dated someone as hot as she is, so
it'll be okay. Or a woman may have had a
series of bad breaks or grown up poor or something, and she meets
a guy with some money and she thinks she's set for life, even though
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he's flat out evil, and then she just tries
to deny it. You've got to have
this compatibility where, first of all, both of you are
relationship ready. I call it deserving what you want. You got to be the kind
of person the person you're hoping to attract will be attracted to in
return. And if you're not that person, you need to do the self
work until you are or you're going toa have a string of bad,
incongruent or even toxic relationships until
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you get that fixed because you don't have to look any further than the
mirror. And then the
conflict resolution is amazing that you talked about. But
I would like to ask you a follow up question about that. If a
woman is leaving and acting excessively
bratty and being inconsistent,
shouldn't we kick her to the curb if it's kind of excessive or
is this something that women will just do?
>> Lucia (23:07):
Yes. You have to understand some people have what's called
an anxious attachment style. Of course,
you know, a lot of people have trauma from previous
relationships and no one's perfect. Unless you're
dating an 18 year old who's never dated or a 20 year old. People are going
to have trauma and things are going to trigger them.
So you need to be willing to work through this. And in fact I
have one of my clients, he's a very high value guy
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and he's got an amazing girlfriend. She's definitely a
10. And she's behaved a bit, you know, quote
unquote strange here and there. And he keeps asking, should I break
up with her? Should I break up with her? I don't want to, I love her. I go
no, no, no. She's insecure, she has an anxious to
attuc himself and they're still together and
everything's great. So you can't just throw someone away the moment they get
triggered because you're going to be throwing everybody away because everyone's going to get
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triggered at some point and everyone's going to trigger you at some
point.
>> Scot McKay (23:56):
I think two secures when it comes to
attachment theory would probably have a smoother
highway there, wouldn't they?
>> Lucia (24:03):
Yeah, but good luck finding that. Usually
the especially at r age,
usually people with attachment ceyl go for the
avoidance and vice versa.
>> Scot McKay (24:13):
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? Why do we do that?
>> Lucia (24:16):
well, it's all about. I could go into a long discussion
about that, but well, I think.
>> Scot McKay (24:21):
It might be worth it to least discuss it a little bit because we're talking about
breakup proofing ourself, Right?
>> Lucia (24:26):
Right. Well, because they're attracted to what the person
has that they don't. So the anxious person is attracted
the fact that the avoidant can detach so easily.
And the avoidant is attracted to the fact that the
anxious is willing to express their feelings and is
willing to run towards the person they're interested in, as opposed
to avoidance, who run away when they
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see, when they get triggered or when the person starts acting
strange, shall we say.
>> Scot McKay (24:51):
And the secure people are left going, I'll just wait till the robots
come out.
>> Lucia (24:55):
Yeah, we all need someoneuree, but there's not
that many of them around.
>> Scot McKay (25:00):
S a mess.
>> Lucia (25:01):
Yeah. I want to address something actually, earlier about, you
know, the white. The nagging wife.
>> Scot McKay (25:05):
Okay.
>> Lucia (25:06):
Women need attention. Like, this
is an actual need that we have wired in
because back in the caveman days, we totally
relied on men for survival. And if we were, if we
didn't get attention, if we were kicked out of the tribe, we were, we were
going to die. We weren't going to survive. And so,
it's still, Even though it's 2025 now, we
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still have that need for attention. And if they
just like guys have need for sex,
women have need for attention. It's that strong. And if they
don't get it, just as a guy will cheat
or break up with the woman if they're not having sex, if
a woman is not getting enough attention, she will
cheat and. Or break up with you.
>> Scot McKay (25:47):
Well, I think that's interesting. Those two phenomena that
we're talking about here kind of go hand in hand.
You're neglecting what makes her feel safe and
secure, and you're ignoring her as well,
personally. So you're watching football,
she's trying to talk to you. You don't care. You've got
selective spousal deafness, which is, I think,
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what they call it. Plus you're not going to freaking mow the lawn. And she can fix
her own sink. So then, yeah, you're gonna have a
nagging wife pretty much 100% of the time.
>> Lucia (26:16):
The guy washing football'actual it's called
single point focus. You guys can only focus on one thing at a
time, which is necessary. Back again. Back in the cave
man days, when you went hunting, you had to stay
focused on catching the deer or whatever
because women, they have diffuse awareness and they need that for
raising children and need to be able to hear if a child is crying in
the other room. So we can't really go hunting because we'll
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be, focused on the deer. And then we'll be like, oh, look at the
bird in the tree. Look how cute. And then the
deer. And then the deer runs away. It's like,
oh, I didn't catch anything today.
>> Scot McKay (26:49):
All right, Lucia. But why do women wait till the two minute
war when your team is down by one touchdown
and it's the last drive and it's the playoffs, and if
Lamar doesn't execute this 80 yard drive in the
next 90 seconds, we're going to lose. Why does she
demand my attention right then? Why could't she have done
it at halftime?
>> Lucia (27:07):
Exactly. No, I totally agree.
>> Scot McKay (27:08):
That's not an answer. I want to know why.
>> Lucia (27:10):
No, no, I'm goingn. I'm going to tell women also because
they, they don't understand about feminine energy
and how to deal with men. So when they
understand, then they know that if a guy's
watching tv, if he's, leave him alone. It's like, don't
even talk to him. Like, he's not really there. And
if you are going to say something, you have to say, excuse me, can I ask a
question? And then you'll say, no, no, no, I can't. There's two
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more minutes left in this game. We'll talk later. Women
have to understand that if they're going to interrupt a guy, they need to ask
permission.
>> Scot McKay (27:40):
I think that's not only fair. I think everybody, male and
female, needs to be reminded that these
traits, if you will, of masculine and
feminine energy, respectively, are what they
are. It doesn't signal incompatibility or. This
woman will never be my wife because she won't sit there and watch football
with me and understand what's going on. This is just how men
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and women are. If you want to peacefully cohabit with a
spouse of the other gender, you got to understand this
stuff, or else you're going to be eternally frustrated for no apparent
good reason.
>> Lucia (28:10):
Right? I mean, men are not just hairy women
walking around. And women often think that men think like
women, and then they. They get frustrated when they realize they
don't and vice versa.
>> Scot McKay (28:21):
I used to have a girlfriend in college, and she would
always gift me with stuffed animals on special
occasions.
And I may be a terrible person, but I ended up re
gifting them to other girls after we broke up.
>> Lucia (28:33):
Right?
>> Scot McKay (28:34):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (28:34):
Yeah, that. Yeah. She was acting as if you were a female. So
that's why she gave you a stuffed animal.
>> Scot McKay (28:39):
No, I wasn't. And I don't think she would have liked the
fact that I was another female because she was perfectly straight.
So what's up with that? Yeah, bad idea. Bad
idea. All right, so we're in a relationship. We
understand how to resolve conflict. We understand why conflict starts,
we understand masculine feminine energy. Are there any
other last tips you can give men
(28:59):
to really m make women just want to keep them
around forever? Now, obviously these can be dangerous
tips because it's a woman you really just want to have kind of a casual
relationship with and you hope she doesn't fall in love with you. You
might want to charm, throttle yourself, as I call it.
>> Lucia (29:13):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (29:14):
Which, of course, I think could, apply to stuff other than
mere charm. You probably want to character throttle yourself
and just not open up that big old box of shock and
aw on her if you don't want her to be your future wife. But
that aside, let's say these guys have met
a woman who they really are thinking could be their
one and only. what are some great ways to
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really inspire in that woman a desire to stick
around?
>> Lucia (29:37):
So listening has been called white
magic.
>> Scot McKay (29:41):
Wow. Yes. Another thing we talk about around here.
>> Lucia (29:44):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (29:44):
And that's not a woman saying she wants you to obey her. It's a
woman saying she wants you to get to know her better so you can lead and
provide and protect better.
>> Lucia (29:51):
Right. And listen when she's talking, because a lot of guys,
and I understand, you know, they want to show off, impress
her and show what they've got. They go on a first date, second date, and they're
like, well, I've got this and I've got that and I do this and I do that,
and she's like, like, shut up, I don't care.
>> Scot McKay (30:05):
That'll make her fall in love with your stuff and your money.
>> Lucia (30:08):
Right?
>> Scot McKay (30:08):
You. Yeah, exact, anything.
>> Lucia (30:10):
So listening is very important if you're go going toa be with
someone. And I always tell my clients, you know,
you should on your date night every week or every two
weeks, make a decision that you're going to
discuss what happened during that week that you loved that
day, other person did, and then some things that you,
didn't really love so that you don't sweep things
(30:31):
under the rug. You take care of problems as they
arise, and you let your partner speak. You
can't interrupt, you can't get defensive, and
then you get a chance to speak that way. Any little
thing that comes up, you squash it right away and it
doesn't become a huge problem.
>> Scot McKay (30:47):
Well, what I love about that idea is it sounds very much like
you're advocating continuing
growth as a couple rather than just saying, o, we love each other,
we're here, it's cool we're in for the duration. Nobody's
arguing. Let's just remain
stagnant. When. If you get to know each other
a little better all the time like that, you'll continue growing your
relationship and deepening it. I love it. I love that.
>> Lucia (31:09):
Yeah, you get rid of any problems, and then you have to continue
to do date night. Like you said, whatever you did in the beginning,
you got to keep doing it. Because a lot of women complaints like, well, I
like the way he was in the beginning. I just want him to be the way he was in the
beginning. So I understand that you,
guys are goal oriented. They think, okay, once I've reached, I've got
the goal, okay, now I don't have to put as much energy into it. Well,
(31:29):
that's just not true anymore because, again, because of the dating
apps, if she's not happy, she can just quickly go out and
meet someone else. So you need to keep
giving her the same level of attention that you got her used to
in the beginning.
>> Scot McKay (31:41):
Well, as cynical as that sounds, it's not too far off from the
truth, especially with the younger generation. Everything's
transactional, right? We're not in this because of
love or anything else that I don't even begin
to understand because I've never experienced it or felt it before. It's
just, you provide this, I provide that, and as long
as we get along and we're feeling that
mutuality, we won't break up. But if
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this becomes a bad deal and I'm not getting what I want out of it,
then, boom, you're out the door. I mean, that's kind of a shame,
but in many ways, that is what it's come to.
>> Lucia (32:12):
Right? But if it's transactional for both people, then,
okay, then it's a match.
>> Scot McKay (32:16):
It is, but it still doesn't have a whole lot of lasting power. It's very
fragile.
>> Lucia (32:20):
Right. But maybe they don't want it to last.
>> Scot McKay (32:23):
That's true, too, but that's a different podcast,
right? but, yeah, for sure,
if someone, really thinks this is sort of a
temporary relationship, then they can kind of monitor it
as they go and decide when they don't want to see each other anymore.
But the people who decide they want to be in this for the
duration, they are always deepening that
relationship. They are getting closer.
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And in order to be each other's right or die,
you have to trust each other, too. I think the
more I know what's going on in that pretty little head of Emily's,
the more I trust her and
the less I fear her. And I don't know where you stand on
the whole fear is the opposite of love thing.
>> Lucia (33:02):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (33:02):
But I believe that. And I think the less that
I'm afraid of the person I'm with,
the more I can actually realistically love
them. And you talk about being
avoidant and being anxious. All that seems
very fear based. And the more we cur that, the more we'll
start really loving the other person we're with. And I think that
has the ultimate staying power. That might be what
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all the old school people have in common. That is kind of the
holy grail, you know.
>> Lucia (33:30):
Yeah. And you have to keep in mind also that there
are three of you in the relationship. There's
you, your partner and then there's the actual
relationship. And so everything you do, it
has to be for the benefit of the relationship.
Not for you or ah, not for your partner but
for the third party for the relationship.
>> Scot McKay (33:49):
And it really gets complicated when the kids show up.
>> Lucia (33:52):
Well know, you know what I mean.
>> Scot McKay (33:57):
her name is Lucia and she's from
Los Angeles and you can find
her@the artofloveve.net and what I'm going
to do is I'm going to point
mountaintoppodcast.com
Lucia L U CIA A5 letters
to that exact website there. She has
a book on how to get your ex back. If that happens to be
(34:19):
the grind you guys are under right now. It's
called no Contact Secrets. You can find a copy of
that at Lucia's website. What else will they find
there? Lucia?
>> Lucia (34:29):
they can find the link to get coaching. They can find
a bunch of videos on how to get your
ex back. And then I also have an app, called
Silencio, which means silence in Italian. And
that is also to help you get your ex back. And also for doing
affirmations.
>> Scot McKay (34:44):
Fantastic. And all that's there for
you@mountaintoppodcast.com
Lucia. Well Lucia, you're just
a gem. You and I seem to have independently
arrived at a whole litany of correct
conclusions about how men and women operate. So it's just a pleasure to
meet you and this has been a wonderful show that I think is going to affirm
a lot of truth for a lot of men out there. Thank you so much.
>> Lucia (35:07):
It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much, Scot.
>> Scot McKay (35:09):
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(35:32):
it's time to talk to you about where your career is
going. Are you working for someone else?
Are you making them rich? Or are you
doing what you want to do? Are you living the dream? Living your
purpose and making the world a better place as you do
it? Are you living your passions? The reason why I've
decided now is the time to talk to you guys about this is
(35:52):
because it used to be you could have a cushy
job, retire from it, get a gold watch, etcetera,
etcetera. For years the corporate world hasn't
been like that. But now with the way things are going
in the world nowadays, government jobs
aren't even safe anymore. I've talked to several of you guys who've lost
your federal government jobs and you thought that would never
(36:12):
happen. Guys, it's time to get your career
in order. At the very least we can take a look at
your resume and make sure it's wired for the year 2025
instead of 1982. And at best we
can get you on a path to doing what you actually
want to do and having it pay the bills.
Talk to me guys. You can always talk to me about
(36:33):
your relationships with women, of course. But now
more than ever, it's time to talk about your career and your
future. Get on my
calendar@mountaintoppodcast.com for 25,
30 minutes. We'll talk about it. Won't cost you a dime.
It makes sense to put a plan together to get you on the fast
track. That's great but I really want to hear what's on
your guys minds and give you results that you
(36:55):
can take with you just from that 30 minute call.
A way to get on my calendar to make that call happen and so
much more is right there for you
@mountaintoppodcast.com do
and until I talk to you again real soon. This is Scot McKay from
X&Y Communications in San Antonio,
Texas. Be good out there.
>> Edroy Odem (37:20):
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Roy Odam speaking for the Mountain Top Podcast.
All right, gentlemen, here's the deal. I, just today dropped A brand new
YouTube series called the Future is now on my
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Scot McKay S C O T McK
A Y what's it all about? Well,
it seems like not so long ago, certain things
sounded futuristic and they're already here. And a lot of
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that applies directly to how we relate to women, which
is why I felt, well, now was the best
time to publish these videos. They're all there
for you in a nice neat playlist right there at the top of
the channel@YouTube.com
ScottMakay yeah, man, they're all there
already. You don't have to wait for one to be
published every week or something like that. You can go ahead and binge watch
(00:43):
them, but they're only about five or six minutes each.
Anyway, I think you guys are really going to like them. It's going to
challenge your imagination and your presumptions as
well. All of those videos are there for you, along with a whole lot of
other ones, including the video versions of every one of
these podcast episodes@YouTube.com
ScottMakay now we have a pretty
(01:04):
good episode for you featuring my new friend Lucia.
I decided to put this one back to back against
the one with Gary Sawer last week because the themes
that we cover are quite similar. And I really think
you're going toa like Lucia. She's super cool. Here
we go.
>> Edroy Odem (01:25):
Live, from the mist and shrouded mountain fort that is
X and Y communications headquarters. You're listening
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now here's your host, Scot McKay.
>> Scot McKay (01:39):
All right, how's it going, gentlemen? Welcome to yet another episode of the
world famous mountaintop podcast. As always, I am your
host, Scot McKay. You can find me Scot
McKay on X, on True Social, on
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The website is moountdoppodcast.com. if you
(01:59):
guys haven't checked that out in a long time, you need to go, see what's up
there because it's been changed around a little bit, especially
the pages for these shows. The show notes pages
themselves have been changed quite a bit. go check it out. You'll
probably like what you see. Matter of fact, you definitely will like what you
see. You'll also definitely like joining
the mountaintop Summit on Facebook, which is our lively
band of brothers who are getting better with women
(02:22):
and also getting better as men
in general. With me today is a
brand new friend and I like her already. I was chitch
chatting with her before we started. She is
from LA and she has all the glitz and glamour to go
with it. You guys are going to really enjoy her. And today we're going
to talk about how to break up, proof
yourself and make women basically love you
(02:44):
forever. Now this can turn out to be a high quality problem,
but I'm going to let my new friend and my first time
guest, Lucia, introduce herself to
you and talk all about it. This is like the Dating game.
Lucia. Say hi to the bachelors, Lucia.
>> Lucia (02:59):
Yes. Hello, gentlemen. I'm happy to be here. My name
is Lucia and I'm a dating and relationship
expert and I specialize in helping people get their ex back. I
have clients from all over, all over the world. I've
had FBI agents, Rockars,
actors, CEOs, and I love what I
do. I love to help people to get their ex back. But I can
(03:19):
also help you if you don't need to get your ex back. Whatever
you need help with in dating, I'm here.
>> Scot McKay (03:25):
Fantastic. So you and I are in
somewhat similar fields of expertise
and endeavor, yet we haven't really crossed paths before. I think
you just end up working with a bunch of different people. I didn't
see you darkening the door of my pickup artist masterminds
back in the day, so that was probably good on you.
You probably wanted nothing to do with those guys, huh?
>> Lucia (03:45):
right. Yeah, exactly.
>> Scot McKay (03:47):
Fair enough. You know, it's interesting because
one or more of the pickup artists back
in the day used to market to
men. Single men, usually desperate guys
who haven't gotten any in a while, who are feeling kind of
a dry spell between their legs by
saying, you know, now you can get tens who are
(04:07):
reserved for celebrities and rock stars. And I thought
it incredibly interesting that you mentioned
that among your clients are rock stars,
which means even rockst star get broken up with.
>> Lucia (04:18):
It doesn't matter who you are. At some point, if you date long enough,
you will get dumped.
>> Scot McKay (04:22):
As a matter of fact, show me someone who's never been broken up with and I'll show
you someone who hasn't done a whole lot of dating.
>> Lucia (04:27):
Exactly. So unless you, you know, get married when you're 20 and
stay married, at some point, you will be dumped and you'll want
your ex back.
>> Scot McKay (04:34):
Now that set. By the time my
singlehood was wrapping up and I met Emily, I was dating a
string of women. Lucia, who really had a
much different dating issue.
A higher quality problem, if you will,
than guys, you know, dragging them along,
dating them for like two years and not putting a ring on it. They didn't,
they didn't meet a whole lot of guys who were
(04:56):
commitment phobic. Instead they met a bunch
of guys who wanted to propose marriage to them, like after
the third date. Because guys would meet them and go,
well, you're everything I need. You like men, you're feminine,
you're sweet, your body count isn't through the roof,
you have a decent job and you vote like
me and you pray like me. And you don't really have this
(05:17):
axe to grind with men in general. And they're like, I
just want to marry you. Now. All were very pretty
women, all of them were very
sane women who didn't have mental illnesses.
And they had all those other things in common too. But
those women all reported to me they'd never met a commitment
fo before. Isn't that interesting?
>> Lucia (05:36):
That's very interesting because as you know, most
guys do not want to get married or it takes them
a long time to get to the point where they do want to get married. I
mean everyone, if you ask most people who are married,
you'll find out that there was usually a breakup at some
point and then they got back together and then they got
married.
>> Scot McKay (05:54):
That's just messy. I don't think people are supposed to break up and
get back together. If you break up, it's for a reason, don't you think?
>> Lucia (06:00):
Not necessarily. Sometimes it's the timing.
Sometimes one person hasn't healed from a previous
relationship and oftentimes the
guy just, he doesn't want to get married. It happened with my sister
and now they've been married for 45 years. Her
husband didn't want to get married initially. A very good friend
of mine, like so many people, just ask any
stranger that you meet who's mared'like did you
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break up before you got married? And I bet you the answer is going to be
yes.
>> Scot McKay (06:27):
That's really interesting. I think a lot of people
do need to grow up, especially if they're young and in a
relationship together. You see a lot of oldsters
talking about how they married their high school sweetheart,
right? One of my friends, his parents just
celebrated their 80th wedding
anniversary.
>> Lucia (06:44):
Wow.
>> Scot McKay (06:46):
He's 100. And she's going to be 99 in three
weeks from when we're recording this. So he
was 20 and she was 19 when they got married. And they've been
together happily by the Way by all accounts,
longer than most people live.
>> Lucia (06:59):
Yeah, that's true.
>> Scot McKay (07:01):
Crazy.
>> Lucia (07:01):
Ye.
>> Scot McKay (07:02):
So, I mean, maybe in the old days,
people met their honey and
got married happily. Nowadays, people have to shop and
change who they're dating, date several dozen or more
people before they know what they want, and then break up
with them a couple times just to make sure. What has happened
over the course of history within the last several decades? What do you
(07:22):
think?
>> Lucia (07:23):
Well, the problem is that, strangely enough, the more
choices you have, the harder it becomes to make a
decision. So you know, if you're in a
small town or you meet, know, before the
Internet you only had a handful of
people. So it's like, okay, I only have a choice of two or three guys. All right, I'll take
that one. But now you can just go online and just
guy after guy or a woman after woman and it's like,
(07:46):
well, why should I make a choice?
>> Scot McKay (07:47):
And you know what's really funny? 45 years ago, the
bandivo.
>> Lucia (07:51):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (07:52):
Which of course was a weirdly cool band, yet
actually pretty cynical if you listen to their lyrics. Right.
Had a song called Freedom of Choice, which was the title song
from the same album that Whipp it'on Right. Which is their iconic
tune. And the point of the song is
freedom of choice is what you got and freedom from
choice is what you want. You know, it talks about a dog chasing
(08:12):
its tail and falling over over two bones and you know, the
choice there, and it's a silly song. You had a very
poignant song at the same time. And Lucia, that was 45
years ago. We didn't have mass
media and social media and the swipe. Right culture that we
have now, it's devolved, you know, which
is another kind of devo theme. Right. That
was basically the name of their band, De Evolution.
>> Lucia (08:35):
Wow. I never thought it.
>> Scot McKay (08:36):
Yeah, well, no, that's the fact. Right. But I mean, nowadays, if human
nature is such that we would really not like to have so much
choices, then we're really torturing ourselves. You
know what I mean?
>> Lucia (08:46):
Yeah. But with the Swipe apps now, I just don't
see how we're going to get out of this.
>> Scot McKay (08:50):
Oh yeah. The Pandora's box is wfo. It's
wide open. Oh yeah, right. There's no shutting that back
inside. Yeah. But, people
nowadays, are very fickle.
They don't give people much of a
chance. The first impression is often the last impression.
And these are people who might even not have a whole lot of options
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when it comes to dating. They're just so used to making a
need jerk reaction judging people. I mean, this
in my opinion, was exacerbated by Twitter when it first came
out. Because someone gives 140
characters of what they're thinking and everyone else reading
closes every gap surrounding this person's personality and
their character, etc. And decides what they think of them based on
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whether they agree or disagree with, a 140 character
POS. And that's become habit 20 years
later. You know what I mean?
>> Lucia (09:38):
Yeah, I mean, actually I did this the other day
and so I want to get your opinion as a man. I'm on
bumble and I asked him how the bumbling was
going, which is my opening line to every guy on there.
And he said it's been a bloodbath.
>> Scot McKay (09:52):
That's a rough term.
>> Lucia (09:54):
Exact. Right? I didn't like that term. It's like, why did
he have to choose that term out of all the terms he could have
used?
>> Scot McKay (10:00):
Because he's a guy.
>> Lucia (10:02):
Well, but I didn't like that. So you know what? I unmatched
him.
>> Scot McKay (10:05):
Yeah, well, I mean, he obviously doesn't know his way around women if he
starts referring to bloodbaths. You know, I tell guys on first
dates, don't talk about guns. Don't talk about dark
movies. Don't talk about murder and
death and this massive pile up in Austin that killed a bunch of
people. Just, you know, be light and warm on first
dates. Keep the dark stuff to yourself.
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Otherwise she's not going to feel very safe and comfortable around you.
She's go going to feel, well, dark. Like the energy you're
projecting.
>> Lucia (10:32):
Right. That's why I thought. Because I thought even if I
meet him and go forward, that's always going to be in the back of my
mind that he used that word. When,
you know, it's like, okay, I'm waiting for that alternate
personality to pop up.
>> Scot McKay (10:44):
Yeah. Even in your horniest, most prurient fantasies,
the word bloodbath probably doesn't take much of a role, you
know?
>> Lucia (10:51):
No, no, no.
>> Scot McKay (10:53):
Okay, so let's talk about men and how
men can become more like those women who
have guys proposing to them after three or
four dates instead of, well, women
hanging around and not really sure and
not wanting to be exclusive. I mean, typically
women are sort of relationship minded. Although it's
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a brave new world out there and many aren't. A
lot of act like cheesy pickup artists themselves. But when
a guy experiences a pattern of going on a date or
Two and the woman saying E. maybe not
or not so much or, I just think you and I should be
friends. You know, thatle routine. What's going
on with that guy versus the guy who
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can't really stop women from getting the feels
very early and latching ono them and wanting more, more and
more. I mean, two big problems.
One's a higher quality problem than the other, and obviously the
balance is probably what we're looking for. But I think a lot
of guys who have experienced frustration dating and
relating to women probably would love to have the higher quality
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problem than the lesser quality problem. So what are
the big differences between guys who have staying power
with women who create that long lasting
attraction in that, well, I'm going to call it almost addiction
that the woman wants more of him than less. What
separates those guys from the rest of the herd?
>> Lucia (12:09):
Lucia, two words. Masculine
energy. If you've been
speak.
>> Scot McKay (12:15):
You speak of my language.
>> Lucia (12:17):
I speak of your language.
>> Scot McKay (12:18):
You're Italiano, by the way.
>> Lucia (12:20):
Paraliano. Okay, so if you've
been friend zoned, there wasn't enough masculine energy.
>> Scot McKay (12:26):
Boom. Thank you so much for being one of the
few and the proud who actually get it because I have had to
argue with people about this before. Do
tell. Continue. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm just excited. Go
ahead.
>> Lucia (12:38):
I'm all about male and female energy because, you know,
there's polarity. So if you're not
masculine enough, then she has to go into
her masculine to balance that out. It's like a seesaw.
So if you're down on the seesaw, she's gonna go up,
and you don't want her up and you down or vice versa. You need to be
balanced. So if you're. The more you're in your
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masculine, the more she can be in her feminine, the
safer she feels with you, the more she can be in her feminine.
And the more she's in her feminine, the easier it is for her to fall
in love. And she would never friend zone you.
>> Scot McKay (13:09):
I know so few people who understand what you
just articulated, yet I have never
had a female human being argue with the premise.
Isn't that something?
>> Lucia (13:20):
Yeah, because we know it.
>> Scot McKay (13:22):
Right? But I've had female human beings argue
with me that men and women both have masculine and
feminine and energy and this, that and the other. And I'm just
like. Well, you know, as I see it, and
I'm going to repeat it here for you, Lucia,
masculinity and femininity are the
psychosoci social Building blocks of sexual
attraction. If there is no psychose
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sexual component, no soul
based, even cognitively
based component to sexuality, then we're reduced
to body parts and primal impulses.
And I think that's insulting to most
women to think of sex that way.
>> Lucia (13:59):
It's insulting to all women.
>> Scot McKay (14:01):
Well, it's insulting to the human race. I mean, we're more involved in that. We're
not, you know, mice. So much for the Discovery Channel,
right? But men and women
flirt, Men and women enjoy that energy.
And it does polarize in a way that
magnetizes. So yes, the man makes
a woman feel safe and comfortable. he's a
provider and a protector and an enabler
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and a celebrant of all things feminine. And when
the woman feels like she's got a safe space to be feminine, then
she brings all those things that we live for in weekends, Lucia,
like love, joy, comfort,
play. All that fun
that women bring to life that so few guys know
how to achieve on their own. So she's got to pick up the
masculine and make herself feel
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safe on a date, for lack of better word. It almost
feels silly to have to say that. then
what's probably going on is she's seeing the man across the table
from her as someone she needs to provide and protect for, and that turns
her into his mommy instead of his potential lover.
And boy, is that an attraction killer.
>> Lucia (15:01):
Right, right. And this is why, you know,
we have the courtesies of opening the car door
for the woman pulling out her chair,
carrying her heavy bags. Not because she can't do it
herself, but because she has to go into her masculine to
do that. You know, opening a car door, sometimes they're heavy.
>> Scot McKay (15:18):
And so it's just a demonstration that we get it. It's
a first impression.
>> Lucia (15:22):
But also she can say her feminine energy. She just stands there, you
open the door, she can walk in, she stands there, you pull up the chair, she
sits down.
>> Scot McKay (15:29):
That's exactly right. And you know what? So
many guys have lost sight of this that what
I tell the men listening to this show and reading my newsletter
and anybody who will hear from the rooftops,
frankly, is that you have no competition anymore.
Guys, all these Gen Z guys have
neutered themselves. They don't even have the
wherewithal to move out of their mommy's basement and get their
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own life. And they're wondering where all the women are.
And meanwhile the women are wondering where all the real men
are.
And the real men sure as hell aren't the aforementioned Guys with
the Cheeto fingers and the video games.
>> Lucia (16:03):
Yeah, the real men are on your channel, probably.
And I tell guys, it's so easy
to stand out today because guys aren't
putting a lot of effort in. They're all walking around in these
sweatpants. So if you actually wear
real clothes and a shirt
and you work out and you keep your beard
trimmed and you get, a haircut that works
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for your face, that can make such a big difference,
and you have some manners. That's it. You got
them. You'll have women flocking.
You'll have to beat them with a stick.
>> Scot McKay (16:36):
Well, I think you brought up kind of an a cursory
fashion, something that's very important for a lot of guys to remember.
You don't have to be a pretty boy. And you may agree or
disagree with this premise, Lucia. but I don't think women want a man who's quote
unquote, prettier than they are. You know, they want to be the pretty
one in a relationship. But women really do look for a
man who is doing the best with what he's got.
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The term I've heard that I really like is a man who's put
together. That's what women are looking for. Right.
>> Lucia (17:02):
That's why we have, you know, the gay best friends. Because the
gay guys, they're doing it right. They're dressing right,
they're working out, they've got the haircut, the beard. So we
want a straight guy like that.
>> Scot McKay (17:14):
Well, you know, I tell guys all the time, if you go to
a store that represents a style that you think would
match up with your lifestyle and your personality.
Right. Because style isn't just about clothes. It's about
demonstrating who you are to the world.
One of your best bets is to find a gay dude and have him dress you.
>> Lucia (17:31):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (17:31):
Like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, that TV show used to be. And
guys are thinking like, well, he's go goingna try to dress me gay. No, man, he's
a humanoid. He knows you're straight. He's not going toa try to dress you
like, like you're gay. He'll know what to do. But
he will know what to do and how to do it.
>> Lucia (17:45):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (17:46):
And you can also get women to help you get that put together. Look, they
know exactly what you mean by that. the worst you can
do is just go get some sloppy dude to
sell you another pair of mom jeans to go with your
Dockers and your logo
polo shirts from the office. I mean, that'll
never Cut it. But lots of guys will have their little echo
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chamber where they all agree that this shouldn't
matter. When it absolutely does, you're right on the money.
>> Lucia (18:12):
Absolutely.
>> Scot McKay (18:13):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (18:13):
That's what women want, I'm telling you.
>> Scot McKay (18:15):
Well, the demonstration there is that
you know how to make decisions,
you know how to put things
in order, including yourself. Because if
you're a mess, everything's going to be a mess that you touch.
So if you give this first impression that your life is
put together, then that will pretty much sub
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communicate to just about every woman that you know how to
lead, you know how to provide, and you know how to protect.
Boom. There's that sexual attraction you're looking
for.
>> Lucia (18:45):
Yeah. And as I mentioned, you know, the working out.
Like, I see a lot of guys in these dating apps. They
are all. Well, not all of them, but a lot of them are
overweight. And if they would just go to the gym, if they would
just lose maybe even 20 or 30 pounds, their
face would be more sculpted, they would be more
attractive, and they'd get more women.
>> Scot McKay (19:03):
Yeah, I'm a lost cause, Lucia. I got this little
baby face with the chipmunk cheeks that grandmas s love to
pinch. And I'm 58 years old. I don't think they're ever going to go
away. And I used to be cut like
a gymnast, an Olympic gymnast, and I still had that same face.
And it's funny because I think a certain woman actually
liked that and thought I was cute. My wife was like that.
But, yeah, so much for that. I couldn't have a chiseled
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James Bond face if I starved myself on a hunger strike
for the next couple months, I'd probably die before the
chipmunk cheeks went away. As weir as it sounds.
But anyway, enough about me, all right? A lot of this is based on
first impression. Once we start
relating to a woman, she knows that we
can make her feel safe and secure. she knows we're
well put together. But what is it that's going to make
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a woman who's interested in us and attracted to us
want to become our girlfriend,
fiance, or future wife someday? What
is it that really gives a woman that
idea that, man, she doesn't ever want to let this guy go?
>> Lucia (20:04):
Okay, so obviously, besides the masculine energy, we're assuming
there's compatibility there.
>> Scot McKay (20:08):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (20:09):
Have to be exactly the same. There s. There's chemistry, there's
attraction. After that, it's then how you
handle conflict.
>> Scot McKay (20:16):
Very interesting. In fact, our guest co host
just last week Gary Sawyer talked about something
very similar, so there must be something to it, Right.
>> Lucia (20:25):
That really shows who you are. Because, you
know, if the woman is insecure, she's going to start
behaving in a way that might be bratty.
you know, she might disappear, she might go, shoot. Is how
you handle that situation. That again,
shows whether you can handle it like a man
or like a baby. And so you
can't get in your feelings and say, oh, well, she did this. I'm
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notnna talk to her. It's like, no, no, we're gonna talk about this. Like,
you need to take control of the situation whenever there's a
conflict.
>> Scot McKay (20:54):
Yeah. I think it's interesting that you brought up that masculine
energy again. And I think it would be helpful to
underscore that whatever you did to attractor at the
beginning, you better not get lazy with. You need
to keep doing that. Just like, in all fairness, if a
woman is svel in physique, when
you first meters, you can't go gain
£150 eating bon bons all day and expect
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you to be just as hot for. That would be unreasonable.
>> Lucia (21:20):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (21:20):
But I think a lot of guys think like, okay, now I can relax
the whole, you know, this whole idea front and that I'm real
masculine and I know how to provide and protect. Yeah, well, I'm
just gonna watch football on Sundays, and if the sink'broken you know,
maybe she can fix it. That's
not going toa make her happy. That's going to turn her into the
stereotypical nagging wife.
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But, with that out of the way, the other things you said
there, I think are amazing. The compatibility, for example.
So many people are so desperate to have anyone
in their life who can fog a mirror that they finally meet someone who
they're reasonably attracted to and they just
go into some kind of cognitive dissonance
regarding the rest of this person's entire being. You
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know, they're a horrible person. they're not nice to
people. They may even have a little psychosis action going
on here, but they go, oh, well, I'm sure it'll be all right.
I've never dated someone as hot as she is, so
it'll be okay. Or a woman may have had a
series of bad breaks or grown up poor or something, and she meets
a guy with some money and she thinks she's set for life, even though
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he's flat out evil, and then she just tries
to deny it. You've got to have
this compatibility where, first of all, both of you are
relationship ready. I call it deserving what you want. You got to be the kind
of person the person you're hoping to attract will be attracted to in
return. And if you're not that person, you need to do the self
work until you are or you're going toa have a string of bad,
incongruent or even toxic relationships until
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you get that fixed because you don't have to look any further than the
mirror. And then the
conflict resolution is amazing that you talked about. But
I would like to ask you a follow up question about that. If a
woman is leaving and acting excessively
bratty and being inconsistent,
shouldn't we kick her to the curb if it's kind of excessive or
is this something that women will just do?
>> Lucia (23:07):
Yes. You have to understand some people have what's called
an anxious attachment style. Of course,
you know, a lot of people have trauma from previous
relationships and no one's perfect. Unless you're
dating an 18 year old who's never dated or a 20 year old. People are going
to have trauma and things are going to trigger them.
So you need to be willing to work through this. And in fact I
have one of my clients, he's a very high value guy
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and he's got an amazing girlfriend. She's definitely a
10. And she's behaved a bit, you know, quote
unquote strange here and there. And he keeps asking, should I break
up with her? Should I break up with her? I don't want to, I love her. I go
no, no, no. She's insecure, she has an anxious to
attuc himself and they're still together and
everything's great. So you can't just throw someone away the moment they get
triggered because you're going to be throwing everybody away because everyone's going to get
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triggered at some point and everyone's going to trigger you at some
point.
>> Scot McKay (23:56):
I think two secures when it comes to
attachment theory would probably have a smoother
highway there, wouldn't they?
>> Lucia (24:03):
Yeah, but good luck finding that. Usually
the especially at r age,
usually people with attachment ceyl go for the
avoidance and vice versa.
>> Scot McKay (24:13):
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? Why do we do that?
>> Lucia (24:16):
well, it's all about. I could go into a long discussion
about that, but well, I think.
>> Scot McKay (24:21):
It might be worth it to least discuss it a little bit because we're talking about
breakup proofing ourself, Right?
>> Lucia (24:26):
Right. Well, because they're attracted to what the person
has that they don't. So the anxious person is attracted
the fact that the avoidant can detach so easily.
And the avoidant is attracted to the fact that the
anxious is willing to express their feelings and is
willing to run towards the person they're interested in, as opposed
to avoidance, who run away when they
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see, when they get triggered or when the person starts acting
strange, shall we say.
>> Scot McKay (24:51):
And the secure people are left going, I'll just wait till the robots
come out.
>> Lucia (24:55):
Yeah, we all need someoneuree, but there's not
that many of them around.
>> Scot McKay (25:00):
S a mess.
>> Lucia (25:01):
Yeah. I want to address something actually, earlier about, you
know, the white. The nagging wife.
>> Scot McKay (25:05):
Okay.
>> Lucia (25:06):
Women need attention. Like, this
is an actual need that we have wired in
because back in the caveman days, we totally
relied on men for survival. And if we were, if we
didn't get attention, if we were kicked out of the tribe, we were, we were
going to die. We weren't going to survive. And so,
it's still, Even though it's 2025 now, we
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still have that need for attention. And if they
just like guys have need for sex,
women have need for attention. It's that strong. And if they
don't get it, just as a guy will cheat
or break up with the woman if they're not having sex, if
a woman is not getting enough attention, she will
cheat and. Or break up with you.
>> Scot McKay (25:47):
Well, I think that's interesting. Those two phenomena that
we're talking about here kind of go hand in hand.
You're neglecting what makes her feel safe and
secure, and you're ignoring her as well,
personally. So you're watching football,
she's trying to talk to you. You don't care. You've got
selective spousal deafness, which is, I think,
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what they call it. Plus you're not going to freaking mow the lawn. And she can fix
her own sink. So then, yeah, you're gonna have a
nagging wife pretty much 100% of the time.
>> Lucia (26:16):
The guy washing football'actual it's called
single point focus. You guys can only focus on one thing at a
time, which is necessary. Back again. Back in the cave
man days, when you went hunting, you had to stay
focused on catching the deer or whatever
because women, they have diffuse awareness and they need that for
raising children and need to be able to hear if a child is crying in
the other room. So we can't really go hunting because we'll
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be, focused on the deer. And then we'll be like, oh, look at the
bird in the tree. Look how cute. And then the
deer. And then the deer runs away. It's like,
oh, I didn't catch anything today.
>> Scot McKay (26:49):
All right, Lucia. But why do women wait till the two minute
war when your team is down by one touchdown
and it's the last drive and it's the playoffs, and if
Lamar doesn't execute this 80 yard drive in the
next 90 seconds, we're going to lose. Why does she
demand my attention right then? Why could't she have done
it at halftime?
>> Lucia (27:07):
Exactly. No, I totally agree.
>> Scot McKay (27:08):
That's not an answer. I want to know why.
>> Lucia (27:10):
No, no, I'm goingn. I'm going to tell women also because
they, they don't understand about feminine energy
and how to deal with men. So when they
understand, then they know that if a guy's
watching tv, if he's, leave him alone. It's like, don't
even talk to him. Like, he's not really there. And
if you are going to say something, you have to say, excuse me, can I ask a
question? And then you'll say, no, no, no, I can't. There's two
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more minutes left in this game. We'll talk later. Women
have to understand that if they're going to interrupt a guy, they need to ask
permission.
>> Scot McKay (27:40):
I think that's not only fair. I think everybody, male and
female, needs to be reminded that these
traits, if you will, of masculine and
feminine energy, respectively, are what they
are. It doesn't signal incompatibility or. This
woman will never be my wife because she won't sit there and watch football
with me and understand what's going on. This is just how men
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and women are. If you want to peacefully cohabit with a
spouse of the other gender, you got to understand this
stuff, or else you're going to be eternally frustrated for no apparent
good reason.
>> Lucia (28:10):
Right? I mean, men are not just hairy women
walking around. And women often think that men think like
women, and then they. They get frustrated when they realize they
don't and vice versa.
>> Scot McKay (28:21):
I used to have a girlfriend in college, and she would
always gift me with stuffed animals on special
occasions.
And I may be a terrible person, but I ended up re
gifting them to other girls after we broke up.
>> Lucia (28:33):
Right?
>> Scot McKay (28:34):
Yeah.
>> Lucia (28:34):
Yeah, that. Yeah. She was acting as if you were a female. So
that's why she gave you a stuffed animal.
>> Scot McKay (28:39):
No, I wasn't. And I don't think she would have liked the
fact that I was another female because she was perfectly straight.
So what's up with that? Yeah, bad idea. Bad
idea. All right, so we're in a relationship. We
understand how to resolve conflict. We understand why conflict starts,
we understand masculine feminine energy. Are there any
other last tips you can give men
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to really m make women just want to keep them
around forever? Now, obviously these can be dangerous
tips because it's a woman you really just want to have kind of a casual
relationship with and you hope she doesn't fall in love with you. You
might want to charm, throttle yourself, as I call it.
>> Lucia (29:13):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (29:14):
Which, of course, I think could, apply to stuff other than
mere charm. You probably want to character throttle yourself
and just not open up that big old box of shock and
aw on her if you don't want her to be your future wife. But
that aside, let's say these guys have met
a woman who they really are thinking could be their
one and only. what are some great ways to
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really inspire in that woman a desire to stick
around?
>> Lucia (29:37):
So listening has been called white
magic.
>> Scot McKay (29:41):
Wow. Yes. Another thing we talk about around here.
>> Lucia (29:44):
Yes.
>> Scot McKay (29:44):
And that's not a woman saying she wants you to obey her. It's a
woman saying she wants you to get to know her better so you can lead and
provide and protect better.
>> Lucia (29:51):
Right. And listen when she's talking, because a lot of guys,
and I understand, you know, they want to show off, impress
her and show what they've got. They go on a first date, second date, and they're
like, well, I've got this and I've got that and I do this and I do that,
and she's like, like, shut up, I don't care.
>> Scot McKay (30:05):
That'll make her fall in love with your stuff and your money.
>> Lucia (30:08):
Right?
>> Scot McKay (30:08):
You. Yeah, exact, anything.
>> Lucia (30:10):
So listening is very important if you're go going toa be with
someone. And I always tell my clients, you know,
you should on your date night every week or every two
weeks, make a decision that you're going to
discuss what happened during that week that you loved that
day, other person did, and then some things that you,
didn't really love so that you don't sweep things
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under the rug. You take care of problems as they
arise, and you let your partner speak. You
can't interrupt, you can't get defensive, and
then you get a chance to speak that way. Any little
thing that comes up, you squash it right away and it
doesn't become a huge problem.
>> Scot McKay (30:47):
Well, what I love about that idea is it sounds very much like
you're advocating continuing
growth as a couple rather than just saying, o, we love each other,
we're here, it's cool we're in for the duration. Nobody's
arguing. Let's just remain
stagnant. When. If you get to know each other
a little better all the time like that, you'll continue growing your
relationship and deepening it. I love it. I love that.
>> Lucia (31:09):
Yeah, you get rid of any problems, and then you have to continue
to do date night. Like you said, whatever you did in the beginning,
you got to keep doing it. Because a lot of women complaints like, well, I
like the way he was in the beginning. I just want him to be the way he was in the
beginning. So I understand that you,
guys are goal oriented. They think, okay, once I've reached, I've got
the goal, okay, now I don't have to put as much energy into it. Well,
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that's just not true anymore because, again, because of the dating
apps, if she's not happy, she can just quickly go out and
meet someone else. So you need to keep
giving her the same level of attention that you got her used to
in the beginning.
>> Scot McKay (31:41):
Well, as cynical as that sounds, it's not too far off from the
truth, especially with the younger generation. Everything's
transactional, right? We're not in this because of
love or anything else that I don't even begin
to understand because I've never experienced it or felt it before. It's
just, you provide this, I provide that, and as long
as we get along and we're feeling that
mutuality, we won't break up. But if
(32:04):
this becomes a bad deal and I'm not getting what I want out of it,
then, boom, you're out the door. I mean, that's kind of a shame,
but in many ways, that is what it's come to.
>> Lucia (32:12):
Right? But if it's transactional for both people, then,
okay, then it's a match.
>> Scot McKay (32:16):
It is, but it still doesn't have a whole lot of lasting power. It's very
fragile.
>> Lucia (32:20):
Right. But maybe they don't want it to last.
>> Scot McKay (32:23):
That's true, too, but that's a different podcast,
right? but, yeah, for sure,
if someone, really thinks this is sort of a
temporary relationship, then they can kind of monitor it
as they go and decide when they don't want to see each other anymore.
But the people who decide they want to be in this for the
duration, they are always deepening that
relationship. They are getting closer.
(32:45):
And in order to be each other's right or die,
you have to trust each other, too. I think the
more I know what's going on in that pretty little head of Emily's,
the more I trust her and
the less I fear her. And I don't know where you stand on
the whole fear is the opposite of love thing.
>> Lucia (33:02):
Right.
>> Scot McKay (33:02):
But I believe that. And I think the less that
I'm afraid of the person I'm with,
the more I can actually realistically love
them. And you talk about being
avoidant and being anxious. All that seems
very fear based. And the more we cur that, the more we'll
start really loving the other person we're with. And I think that
has the ultimate staying power. That might be what
(33:25):
all the old school people have in common. That is kind of the
holy grail, you know.
>> Lucia (33:30):
Yeah. And you have to keep in mind also that there
are three of you in the relationship. There's
you, your partner and then there's the actual
relationship. And so everything you do, it
has to be for the benefit of the relationship.
Not for you or ah, not for your partner but
for the third party for the relationship.
>> Scot McKay (33:49):
And it really gets complicated when the kids show up.
>> Lucia (33:52):
Well know, you know what I mean.
>> Scot McKay (33:57):
her name is Lucia and she's from
Los Angeles and you can find
her@the artofloveve.net and what I'm going
to do is I'm going to point
mountaintoppodcast.com
Lucia L U CIA A5 letters
to that exact website there. She has
a book on how to get your ex back. If that happens to be
(34:19):
the grind you guys are under right now. It's
called no Contact Secrets. You can find a copy of
that at Lucia's website. What else will they find
there? Lucia?
>> Lucia (34:29):
they can find the link to get coaching. They can find
a bunch of videos on how to get your
ex back. And then I also have an app, called
Silencio, which means silence in Italian. And
that is also to help you get your ex back. And also for doing
affirmations.
>> Scot McKay (34:44):
Fantastic. And all that's there for
you@mountaintoppodcast.com
Lucia. Well Lucia, you're just
a gem. You and I seem to have independently
arrived at a whole litany of correct
conclusions about how men and women operate. So it's just a pleasure to
meet you and this has been a wonderful show that I think is going to affirm
a lot of truth for a lot of men out there. Thank you so much.
>> Lucia (35:07):
It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much, Scot.
>> Scot McKay (35:09):
Yeah, hope to have you back. And gentlemen, if you
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(35:32):
it's time to talk to you about where your career is
going. Are you working for someone else?
Are you making them rich? Or are you
doing what you want to do? Are you living the dream? Living your
purpose and making the world a better place as you do
it? Are you living your passions? The reason why I've
decided now is the time to talk to you guys about this is
(35:52):
because it used to be you could have a cushy
job, retire from it, get a gold watch, etcetera,
etcetera. For years the corporate world hasn't
been like that. But now with the way things are going
in the world nowadays, government jobs
aren't even safe anymore. I've talked to several of you guys who've lost
your federal government jobs and you thought that would never
(36:12):
happen. Guys, it's time to get your career
in order. At the very least we can take a look at
your resume and make sure it's wired for the year 2025
instead of 1982. And at best we
can get you on a path to doing what you actually
want to do and having it pay the bills.
Talk to me guys. You can always talk to me about
(36:33):
your relationships with women, of course. But now
more than ever, it's time to talk about your career and your
future. Get on my
calendar@mountaintoppodcast.com for 25,
30 minutes. We'll talk about it. Won't cost you a dime.
It makes sense to put a plan together to get you on the fast
track. That's great but I really want to hear what's on
your guys minds and give you results that you
(36:55):
can take with you just from that 30 minute call.
A way to get on my calendar to make that call happen and so
much more is right there for you
@mountaintoppodcast.com do
and until I talk to you again real soon. This is Scot McKay from
X&Y Communications in San Antonio,
Texas. Be good out there.
>> Edroy Odem (37:20):
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