May 21, 2025 • 62 mins
Red-Pilled Mary Poppins: Unveiling Truths in Children's Literature
In this episode of For the Love of Freedom, Danielle welcomes Julie Lavender Le Doux, an author, artist, and jazz musician who's taking on the 21st century with her riveting children's book series. Discover how Julie's 'Amazing Series' empowers kids to grapple with complex issues through compelling storytelling and vibrant illustrations. Julie shares her journey from wrestling with fear to embracing courage, and the vital life lessons woven into her narratives. Learn about the imaginative worlds she creates, the inspirations behind them, and why they're a must-read for parents and children navigating today's societal challenges. Don't miss her unique take as the 'red-pilled Mary Poppins'!
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KEY POINTS:
00:00 Introduction: The Red Pilled Mary Poppins
01:11 Welcome to For the Love of Freedom
02:06 Meet Julie Lavender Ledou
03:57 Overcoming Fear: A Personal Journey
06:13 The Power of Facing Your Fears
16:19 The Amazi
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Welcome everyone to for the love of freedom and a special welcome to VOP USA radiolisteners from around the world.
Thank you all for joining us today.
This is a new weekly show I started we're about five episodes in because I wanted to digdeeper into the personal stories behind so many of the guests that we've had on the state
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of freedom podcast, but because of the pressing policy issues we discuss we haven't alwayshad the time and space to do that.
So for the love of freedom is my answer to that.
It's a new space where I get to have coffee table style discussions that really allow usto get to know the person and the life stories behind the incredible people who are
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bringing freedom to the world.
So joining me today is someone who just oozes inspiration and catches you up in it.
You will want to share this episode with everyone.
You know who is a parent of young children.
Julie Lavender-Ledoux is an artist, a jazz musician, and an author.
She's written an exceptionally compelling book series for children aged 10 to 14 calledThe Amazing Series.
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And she takes on some very tough topics in a really beautifully approachable andimagination stirring way.
Julie, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
Thank you and thank you for that um well-constructed introduction.
uh
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you for joining me.
You must be a night owl that you're able to join me so late from where you are.
Well, um I'm overseas right now and I will make time to talk about these things anytime.
I've done middle of the night stuff before and you know when you have a really importantmessage to get out, you gotta get out of bed to do it.
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uh
You do.
Well, thank you for getting out of bed to do it.
And I love to start every episode with a scripture.
And the one that I pulled for today is Proverbs chapter 10, verses 20 to 21.
And it says, the teachings of the godly ones are like pure silver, bringing words ofredemption to others.
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But the heart of the wicked is corrupt.
The lovers of God feed many with their teachings.
but the foolish ones starve themselves for a lack of an understanding heart.
And I thought that really captured um the heart and direction of your books.
you are an author, you're an artist, you're a musician, but to me, you're also really ateacher at heart.
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And I saw that firsthand when I met you at an event in Nashville a number of years ago,the beginning of my awakening, and you gave a talk on fear.
there that really impacted me because at that time, you may not know this actually, atthat time I was working for Pfizer headquarters, the belly of the beast itself.
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And I had a lot of fear.
I had fear of leaving corporate America.
I had fear of, you know, look mom, no hands.
Cause I had a very niche skillset.
And so the Lord used your talk and the book.
that you shared with us then I read that book um to kind of help me along that path and afew years later I started um podcasting so I make that connection to you so thank you for
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being such a great teacher.
Wow, well that means the world to me because that is underlying all that I do.
That theme of overcoming fear um is central.
When you say the book, do you talking about the book, fear is the key?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got to go back now on now and give me a better review.
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Cause I like got one review for one star.
It's on, you know, it's not as available on it is on Amazon.
It's on Barnes and Noble and some of the other platforms.
For some reason, I'm not sure how accessible it is on Amazon, but somebody left me onedang star.
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But you know what?
They must have been so non-fearful that they didn't need me.
Or they just were afraid to leave a better review.
don't know.
They just, they didn't read it.
Well, it's funny that you bring all that up because one of the things that I learned isthat if you want to know what you were created to do, and this is, know, look, my book is
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short and it's punk, you know, it's punk-tilius.
think that's the right word.
It's beefy, it's nuggety, and it gives you the distilling down what took me probably 25years to learn.
But one of the, just one of the key things is, is that if you want to know why you werecreated and what you need to do, you need to go deeply and directly into what you're the
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most afraid of.
Because it's buried there.
And if you want to know what you must do, you have to go find out where the enemy decidedto take you out in what ways he did it.
And how, because they're.
divinely designed uh darts of destruction, you know, devastatingly directed at yourdestiny.
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That's a lot of D's.
You know I love alliteration.
When we get more into the books, you'll see how much I love alliteration just by thetitles.
But yeah, so that means a lot to me because really, uh
ah And I heard somebody say something about fear that that turned my head again is thatYou know of all the things God really tells you don't break this commandment When he says
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don't be afraid we sort of see it in terms of comfort like let me cover you don't beafraid and The way somebody said it recently it was like do there do know I'm commanding
you You you cannot live out of a state of fear.
That's an
That's an order.
It's true, and I've heard people say it like um fear is not an emotion, fear is a spirit.
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So it's like agreeing with a spirit, it's less than a valid emotion.
Absolutely, it's a force, it's an intelligence, it's a devastating uh directional weapon,you know?
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And unfortunately, when you feel afraid at such a visceral experience, it's hard to keepyour wits about you to understand what's happening.
everything I'm doing right now, including the kids' books, is...
I never would have done, I mean first of all I've done everything I do afraid, even ifafraid I'd do it anyway, but I never would have gotten to this point um if the Lord hadn't
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spoken to me and said to me, uh it's time, you can't do this anymore, you can't hide inavoidance anymore.
uh
that a little bit if you would.
Yeah, well, uh one of the things I learned is that if you have a, you have corecompetencies that allow you to, to artfully avoid dealing with things.
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And that's called avoidance.
And avoidance actually increases the role of anxiety in your life because you'll gothrough an anxiety loop when you're about to, take something on you need to face and it
terrifies you.
So you back off, you get a hit of relief and a euphoria from not doing it.
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And then, and you think, whew, that was the right thing to do.
I never should have faced that scary thing.
And then what happens is it gets buried deeper within your non-conscious mind and comes upin greater anxiousness.
So it really boomerangs back on you.
But one of the things people often do is hide within core competences that are easier andnot threatening.
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So you'll get um all day long and twice on Sundays, everyone giving you applause for doingall the things that keep you busy and keep people happy and keep the trains running on
time, but aren't the thing you need to do.
But we tend to make other people happier and better organized and all kinds of things.
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Or sometimes it can be really destructive what we do too.
to avoid, but usually people don't want you to stop doing the things.
It's true.
In fact, you know, the Lord was talking to me about that this either this week or lastweek.
It's kind of all blurs together.
But this idea of um you need to be where I call you to be and you need to be OK with otherpeople being unhappy about that.
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That's a mouthful.
No.
That's really true.
And especially if your avoidance takes the form of staying in codependent or dysfunctionalrelationships.
People really don't like it when you stop doing the dance, you know, and then they'relike, wait a minute, she always steps left right now and she's not doing it and it's
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messed up the whole system we've got.
But, um you know,
oh to really kind of encapsulate one of the things that was the most important to me waswhen the Lord said to me, you learned to be afraid.
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you can learn to be free.
You can learn to feel safe, in essence.
Because what we think is, you know, we don't come out, honestly, we don't come hardwiredfor fear.
We come hardwired for love and hunger and, you know, we are hardwired for, our bodies knowhow to protect us, so if they sense danger, they will go into different mechanisms to keep
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us, you know,
physically able to protect ourselves as best we can.
But we really don't come out just hardwired, afraid and terrified.
We don't.
We learn that.
We learn to be afraid.
We learn we're not safe.
We learn we might not be loved.
We learn these things.
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And if fear is learned, think about it, through something big or a series of small papercuts over time based on a report.
beating situation if if learning to be afraid and then and then your body learns tobelieve your body disbelief that you believe so when all the fight-or-flight things happen
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in clammy hands and the and the shakes and the panicky things that's just because yourbody was triggered by something you think I thought that I believed that it's here
somewhere in my body is like whoa
Whoa, that could kill you, that could kill you, that could kill you.
Maybe a rubber snake, but if you think it's not, you could kill you.
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Your body's gonna react in full on fight or flight terror, the whole deal, to get you outof there.
So if you learned to be, if you learned to be afraid or just deeply chronically anxious,which is, know, it's just, that's fear, you know, then, um
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you can really learn a different way of being.
And that encouraged me so much because usually we just think we're a victim of fear.
I was just minding my own business and then I was afraid and it just seems to come out ofnowhere.
It's so, it's so completely, you know, global to us.
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It's owning us.
I don't know what happened.
All of a sudden I was afraid or, know, but it really, it really isn't like that.
It really comes, I mean obviously if somebody jumps up behind you or something like that,but in terms of uh our relationships and our life experiences, it's really, it's really,
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uh it's really what's going on here.
Yeah.
So do you, what have you done?
Do you speak the truth?
Do you look it in the face and say, okay, this is what I'm reacting in fear to, but thetruth is I am loved.
The truth is I am capable or whatever the answer is to the fear.
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Is that one of the ways you might coach people to get over it?
Yeah, what I've learned is that since we're multi-dimensional beings, body, soul andspirit, really need to approach it all three ways, right?
And so you really need to have healing of traumatic memories and Dave Hayes' book isawesome.
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And then Sozo Ministries, stuff like that, where you actually get emotionally healed fromtriggering memories is key.
um Absolutely brain retraining stuff.
um
going out on purpose to do things on a regular basis that make you afraid is reallyimportant.
When I had my daily uh podcast on fear free living, I ended everyone with the words, nowgo do something that scares you.
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Like make a habit every day.
Now it's funny because now that I've come, you'll actually come to the point where it getsreal quiet and not so many things do.
But I was saying that during COVID.
Good for you.
mean, there were a few times here and there, but um so I had to make myself leave thehouse.
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I didn't want to leave the house, you know.
And um but anyway, yeah, I mean, you learn to see doing something that makes youuncomfortable and scared as key to the process of your um well-being.
And so yeah, it's a big long story.
But I mean, if people are interested, I think I sum it up the best in the shortest amountof time, or at least get people to want to take the journey because you have to just
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decide you're not going to live like this anymore.
You're fed up and you're not going to take it anymore.
So I wrote this little book called Fear is the Key.
And uh I think it says a lot.
We'll put links to it.
only Kindle versions out there on Barnes and Noble or I think Amazon.
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I'll get the link and put it in the show notes for people.
Now, maybe that'll take us over to the topic of your books.
So you have such a strong value for courage.
How did that translate into equipping parents to be brave in the way that they raise theirkids?
Because I find that comes through.
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I've only read, I've read the first book, Constance and the Battle for Wonder.
ah
And it's been a little while, so the memory's little fuzzy on it, but that comes through.
Well, I set out to write one kind of book and wound up writing a book series that by thetime we're done with book five, I'm taking on the World Economic Forum.
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started with one girl trying to figure out her life.
The next thing you know, I am telling the truth story of what happened to us in the 21stcentury.
And this is the amazing thing that happens when you're committed.
to being a courageous person, doesn't mean you don't feel afraid.
It just means that you don't allow a fear state to control you.
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Don't be afraid, which means to give yourself over to the fear state.
I wrote an original kind of uh story, world-building thing a while back, and a guy readit.
He said, you know, you really got something here, but you need to write a series.
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and you need to write down for younger kids.
So these books are for kids 10 to 14.
And kids love to read in series.
So he said, you really need to think about where this family could go if you wrote aseries.
So it starts out, the Amazings series.
Thank you.
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Starts out with a story of one family in an entirely colorblind town called GreystoneHeights.
um And they are the only family that can see color.
Everyone else has lost the ability to see color because they conform to something calledthe prescribed order.
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But the Folsom family can see color because they interact with the supernatural realmcalled wonder.
And so they won't conform because they don't want to live in the gray.
And they don't really totally understand what this realm of wonder is.
don't.
get it in a fold over that this series but all they know is it's real all they know isthey can think and they can see and they don't want and they can see what's happening
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around them there's something wrong with what's happening around them and they're figuringit out and it starts when their daughter wants to go to school with all the other kids at
the grown-up factory she thinks it's kind of you know mom i got all that wonder stuff thatyou know what's that does the gray seems so sophisticated and
So they're not sure, but they let her go.
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And we're off to the races because at this point, the family doesn't realize that theshadowy elders of the order behind the scenes now think they have a chance to get control
of the one family that stands in the way of their total domination of the entire town, theone nonconforming family.
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And of course, we can't have any nonconforming families, can we?
And so they want to use her daughter.
through the uh education system, through the grown-up factory, and uh use that system toget a hold of her and eventually her family.
And along the way she learns about betrayal and friendships and pressures and trust, andshe needs to own her own choice.
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Will she fight for wonder, or will she conform?
Is the gray side the same as the bright side?
Is it all the same?
Because the elders are telling everybody there's nothing supernatural out there.
You need us.
You need the order.
Just like totalitarian governments take away God and then they can substitute theircontrol.
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know, communism is dead or no.
Aviaism, therefore you need us, right?
And so it was just an interesting story I was passionate about because having homeschooledour kids and stuff, I really did think deeply about structures of control.
and thriving versus, uh you know, what was being served up in the establishment educationaround me, essentially, and what we could do and why would we want to do it differently.
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But I'll tell you what, it grew because ah then, you know, as I began to write, then Ibegan, in book two, I began to take on the abuse of science.
And what happens if at the school science fair,
They decide to control all the questions the kids can ask so they can control the answersthey come up with to reaffirm that there's no meaning and purpose.
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There's no mystery in the universe.
There's no design, no intelligence.
This is why you need the order.
And right.
what an amazing analogy really for the awakening process too.
I feel like I've gone through that process you like you go to, um well I was probablyleaving, I was leaving the grown-up factory and having to wake up to all these realities
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that we're unfortunately faced with.
that are, I don't know, that have just been kind of hidden beneath the surface or reallyhidden in plain sight.
Right.
And in this book, of course, they can't stand anyone who connects to wonder.
And they know color is, if you can start to see color, you're not far from wonder.
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So we have to keep reinforcing the gray.
And we have to keep controlling the systems of, um you know, thought and, again, science,relationships, pressure, community in book two.
But it goes very sideways because
Constance's brother, Constance is the main character, she sort of drives the storyforward.
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But in my family, I have a beautiful intact family, mom and dad and four kids andConstance is the oldest daughter.
But then she has three incredible brothers that are foils, you know, that have these wildpersonalities and they all interact.
in book two, her crazy brother, Chance, who blows things up just to see how they work.
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He can't stand the manipulation at the science fair.
And he says, they're lying to you.
I know there's geniosity behind the olive at all, because I've been to Wonder and I sawhow it started.
he busts into the school science fair and sets off a supernatural science fair project.
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And it goes very wrong.
What could go wrong?
um
And then along the way, Constance is dealing with bitterness and unforgiveness from herbroken heart, from relationship in the school, and all these things are happening.
uh And the family's trying to, and they're just trying to, they're starting to realizethere's more going on behind the scenes than just another way to educate your kids, you
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know?
And so by book three, when other people in the town,
This is where it really gets dicey, and this is a book I was writing in 2020.
By book three, other people in town, reasons I won't tell you, spoiler alert, they startto see dashes of color.
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So people are asking questions, and they're starting to choose to wear colorful outfits,and something's coming alive, and Constance is so excited this is happening in her school.
But guess what the elders of the orders say?
They say, my gosh, we can't have this because we'll lose control of these people.
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so, but we can't tell them they haven't seen what they've seen.
We'll just tell them what it means.
So this is a book about propaganda.
And so they tell everyone um that the reason why they're seeing color is because they'vebeen exposed to a plague and that color could kill you.
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And so you need to wear gray glasses on your face at all times to protect you from thisplague.
And so Constance, even though she's been raised with this family, is completely inundated.
Everywhere she goes, color could kill you, color could kill you.
The authorities have the answer.
There's an authorized ideas manager who's in charge of making sure that all TV and radioand newspapers and stuff all tell everybody the world, their world that this is
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terrifying, you know, and they need to conform.
And Constance comes home and now she doesn't trust her family anymore.
They were so close and she knew wonder was a thing.
And now she's instantly almost overnight.
by the massive rollout of propaganda can't find her her bearings.
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And now she's terrified of the color that was her life before.
Is this not what we've all been through?
It is, I have to think it was pretty cathartic to write.
uh
You talk about being scared.
Because I honestly, it was hard to go to the page to write because I don't write with anoutline.
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I get titles and I get some ideas and then we see what happens.
And I honestly didn't, so I have to tell you the titles of the books because you'll likethose.
But I honestly didn't know if my people would be okay.
This is 2020.
I'm shocked that churches are letting people call them non-essential.
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I was writing, okay, let me tell you.
So the first book is Constance and the Battle for Wonder.
That's when she first goes off to the grownup factory to see what's happening, you know,how the other half lives.
And we start to find out about the elders of the order and what their interests are andwhy the falsomes love color and why other people don't and what conformity looks like.
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What, you know, and uh as opposed to conviction and free, you know, really seriousthinking, free thinking.
So that's Constance and the battle for wonder.
Will Constance fight for wonder or will she just conform?
Will she just, you know, do what everyone else is doing?
Constance enchants the crazy brother and the big bang backlash.
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This one goes deeply, deeply into origins.
in a really super fun way with some beefy science taught through the school science fairand how chance is just determined that everyone understands the geniosity behind the all
of it all.
And I have to, I've been to wonder, I've got a science project from wonder and I have toshow everyone exactly why I know there's genius in our universe, our cosmos.
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And so that's.
Constance and Chance and the Big Bang Backlash.
Remember I told you I like alliteration.
Well this book, Constance and Charleston, her nerdy brother who reads the dictionary justfor fun.
The book in that third uh cover is a dictionary because this kid understands that wordscontrol the world.
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And if you can control the words, you can control people.
So he begins to unpack how words are used.
truthfully or artfully or craftily or trickily, you know what I mean?
Trickishly?
Anyway, so he, that book is called Constance and Charleston and the bombastic baffle gab,which are two really fun words that literally mean propaganda.
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And so, um so he, this book is about how propaganda works.
And what happens is the kids in my books teach each other.
They'll learn things, come home, they'll go, wow, what was that?
What did you think about that?
Or Charleston will be reading the dictionary.
Wow, you check this out?
look what I just learned.
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When she comes home terrified that a black hole plague, a plague leaked out of a blackhole and a symptom of it is seeing color, so you have to wear, dangerous to see color, it
could get to you.
He's like, you're kidding me,
Let's research this." So he researches it.
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And now he's really mad.
He's mad that they're lying to everybody in town.
So he starts his own newspaper in Book 3 to tell the truth about what's happening.
Well, what could go wrong when you start your own newspaper and begin to ask questionswhen the elders of the order control everything and they don't want you doing that?
Imagine what could happen to you and your family that we've all been through, right?
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Right?
And so...
It was hard to write because I didn't, you know, I'm going this way, well this is a reallyfun idea and my son Jean-Marc helped me kind of flesh out this idea about color and gray
glasses and all this stuff and how they would position color as, you know, dangerous.
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What's the word when you can catch something?
contagious.
Thank you!
And so um we're living through this and again I'm watching people around me.
They're saying things like, well, I went to the store today and I stayed six feet awayfrom someone else.
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I'm like, or well our churches, we care so much we closed our doors.
Or you know Jesus would want you to wear a mask or you know.
people out on the road, somebody wearing a mask in a car, I was like, Jesus, this is, Imean, mean, literarily, Jesus, this is America.
What happened to you people?
know, what happened to Christians?
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What happened to you?
Do you know, greater is he that is in me?
What?
mean, right, it was just so, so evil and shocking to see who was willing to just give upeverything.
and then to watch who was being canceled and shut down and marginalized and seeing notonly would people uh be afraid, they would hate you for not being afraid.
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Like, wait a minute, you changed the definition of vaccinations and then you're going togo get one to protect you.
But you're afraid of me because I thought you had one.
I know.
to protect you from this.
So we have to change the definition of a vaccine, which I guess everybody in the world hasto take all the same stuff at the same time or we could all die.
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And Julie, working at, I worked at Pfizer during COVID, right?
Yeah, and it was astounding.
So there's a woman uh in my chain of command, like up above me.
And we had become friendly before she kind of got a bigger job.
And she called me, well, I was refusing the Vax, refusing, refusing.
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Early on, she told me, she was like, if we're doing this as Pfizer, there's absolutely.
no chance I will ever take that vaccine because no vaccines are created that quickly,right?
So clock that.
I was in my apartment in New York.
That had to be February, March, March.
Okay, so it would have been March, April, May of 2020.
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Fast forward to after, you know, once these things start rolling out and here I amrefusing and she's like, yeah, but you're not going to get a promotion.
And you know, what are you talking about?
Of course I'm getting it.
Of course I'm giving it to my child.
And I'm like, these people drank their own Kool-Aid.
They knew, they knew.
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You know, it was even more astounding for me in that environment, I think, because it wasjust like, y'all know the rules.
Y'all literally know the rules and you know that the rules are not suddenly the same asthey always have been.
So why can't you be so comfortable doing this?
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to wake up in the midst of mass psychosis and people that should know better or thinkbetter or, I don't know, but I'm writing this book, this books and I'm going, how do you
have to give children a happy ending?
I mean, I never write that lap, slappy, easy peasy things because the world doesn't likethat.
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Yeah.
if your fiction, if your fairy stories can't handle, can't live up to the ghouls outthere, you know, they're not big enough because classic fairy tales handle very evil
things, topics, you know.
So we have to be able to write books that can hold up to this, what we're facing or it'sjust not fair to kids not to give them a narrative to live out of that can handle it.
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And so I didn't know how to write, but I did keep writing.
then um eventually I wrote about something that was super, super redemptive.
You talked about words of silver.
Well, silver in the Bible is associated with redemption.
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And so I really seek to have that.
redemption in what I write.
And I pray, you know, and God helped me and I'm surprised.
I'm amazed when all I've got is a title and a bad situation.
How am I going get about this?
Well then, what's interesting is that I couldn't stop there because I was commenting a loton the fear, the propaganda, the use of media, the abuse of media, the gray glasses, the
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things on the face and all that.
And guess what, in book uh three, I even have a character named Karen.
And she's a little girl who wears two pairs of gray glasses on her face at all times justto keep herself.
And she rats on others.
em Anyway, um but it didn't stop there.
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Because then when they started, you know,
jabbing and and punishing people and then you heard the rhetoric about how We should allbe put away because we're not doing the getting our jabs and they and and and the yelling
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and screaming what they hoped would happen to us for not obeying that we should bepunished and then you could see the places where they were locking people up in Australia
and those little cubicles and stuff
And then people would say, well, I just want you to know I uh self quarantined, came homefrom, I came home from Walmart and quarantined for a week.
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You know, whatever, like you're kidding me.
So in book four, which is Constance and chief, her littlest brother and the blind spotblunder.
uh
They roll out something called safety drops for the kids' for everybody's eyes, you see,because the gray glasses won't keep you safe enough, you know, from the color demons and
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the color dangers.
So we have to make you permanently color blind.
So you'll really be safe.
You'll never see color ever again.
And think about it.
That is when you go so far into the brainwashing.
You won't come back.
You could be presented with all of the information and this is what we're seeing in theLGBTQ world.
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Parents have overseen the castration of their children, will spend the rest of their livesif they don't receive grace, will spend the rest of their lives over the hill on the
opposite side of reality to protect the choices they've made.
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Yeah.
And this is what happens if you say, I'm willing to be made permanently colorblind so thatI'll be permanently safe.
so this metaphor of color and colorblindness and safety drops, it just says it all.
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And I never have to re-traumatize a kid when they read my story because it's in enough ofa fantasy.
They can go, wow, that was dumb.
And then they go, wait, that's kind of what we went through.
Mom, that's what we went through.
And I've had kids say that, mom, it's not what we went through.
But in my books, there's a problem.
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What if some people who take the safety drops wind up blind?
What happens?
Is this not what we're living through right now?
And then that book is called Cheat.
It's not in print yet, because all of your viewers have to buy many, many copies of mycurrent.
three books.
All right, look, I'll put up and let me put up the link to that as well.
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I only need about 15 grand people and then I can print books four and five.
Okay, okay So And I have all my books by the way printed in India Because China is adifferent thing right?
They steal your intellectual property.
They're beautifully magazine quality archival paper beautiful, you know matte covers
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20 full color illustrations in every book.
Chapter books are not like this because they're usually newsprint, black and white, but Ican't tell kids that color is a metaphor for revelation and truth and give them black and
white books.
I can't.
So color has to be, the whole experience has to be so rich for the people who read them,including adults love these because they're really healing.
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The more you read, because I go deeper into these themes, right?
I'm telling it like it is, right?
And so book four, what do you do and what if my family's affected in the book verypersonally by these safety drops?
Again, it's very personal to us.
Then by book five, uh which ends the first five books in this, there'll be 10 ultimately,then we'll go into the YA, the young adult thing.
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But book five is called Constance and
uh Cornelius, which is the family dog, and the um Balambang Jang Boomerang.
What does that mean?
Well, believe it or not, it is the real terminology from like 18th century sailorslanguage of a paradise.
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And what could be a perfect world, a new world order?
What could happen if somebody, if we decide to do what they tell us to do so we could allhave, you know, a great reordering?
Because there's the order and then we got to the great reordering.
And we gotta have, you know, we gotta even everything out and let the smart people tell usout of our 15 minute cities and all the things so we can just all be good.
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And so in this book I take on the World Economic Forum.
And it's hilarious, because tyrannists are hilarious.
I mean, their ideas are so stupid that you gotta have some fun.
Come on, you're, okay, we're staring down a global depopulation agenda.
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Who doesn't find that funny?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I'm a little cracked on this.
You got to, mean, seriously, because really if Jesus, you know, the Lord says in, youknow, Psalm, sorry, Psalm, it says the Lord sits in heaven and he laughs at his enemies.
Well, if he's got a good sense of humor about all this, I figured I could get one.
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But see, the point is, is that somebody has got to tell the truth story of what ishappening to us in the 21st century to children.
We cannot memory hold this.
My books are essentially history and prophecy.
because I'm telling the truth about what happened.
But I never do it in a way that will doom or terrify children.
But do you honestly think, I mean, apart from God and God's big factor here, we're goingto survive if we don't have people who understand, if we don't tell the next generation
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the truth of what these ghouls want to do and how they work and how they operate?
And if you can use metaphors and imagery,
instead of beating us up with a documentary format about how it all sucked or could.
Yeah, interview 900 traumatized individuals.
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why who I'm sorry.
I don't have time for that.
I'll watch I love Lucy reruns all day long before I want to relive Along we went throughbut we can't run from it we have to we have to tell the children the truth and and I want
to be the one to do it and it better be someone like me because because someone's gonnatell the kids what it meant they already have ideas about what it what it meant because
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There was so much fear out there and so much media out there.
Don't kid yourselves that our little munchkins weren't picking up a lot more than they'llever let on about what they went through.
that absolutely, and the institutionalized education systems, I'm sure have picked many,many creative ways to propagandize what we went through, who the villains were, and who
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the saviors were in that.
And it's not the same people you would pick.
Right, and just the stay safe, stay safe, stay safe, stay safe, stay safe.
this week and they hung up.
said, stay safe.
was like,
I would stop people and say, stay free, stay free, stay free.
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um
And then you see how they just roll another thing out to keep the population in aterrified state.
goes from when COVID was wearing thin, I guess, for a while there.
Then the next thing you know, the Ukraine flag was on everything everywhere at all times.
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And I went, you guys, once you see it, can't unsee it, which is why we teach childrenthrough narrative and through symbolism.
Because then they can start to grasp how concepts, how things work in a larger way.
then it's useful.
so, Danielle, you realize I am the Mary Poppins for the 21st century.
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I am the red-pilled Mary Poppins.
You are so red-pilled.
Because if Mary Poppins flew into the 21st century and took that red pill from the Matrixmovie where the guy wakes up and realizes, my gosh, it sucks.
This really is bad news.
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And I better do something about it.
There's a way out, but it's really bad and I can't go back to sleep.
If she took that red pill, she would use her spoonful of sugar to write.
write these books.
But since she wasn't available, I had to do it.
You filled in.
Well, you're doing a great job.
Tell us em about the fifth book and then I have a couple questions that I want to get toas well.
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Oh, that was the fifth.
Okay, that was the dog one.
Okay.
then I have, I'm working on rewriting something right now that will be book six and I'vealready pretty much done book seven.
So I'm well on the way and by the time I get through to book 10, I will have taken on thebiggest, most compelling issues of our time, including various forms of very difficult
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childhood abuse to deal with.
But always, and I write books so that,
I'll never violate your child's innocence or doom them out because I write in a way thatif your kid doesn't get what I'm talking about, they'll still enjoy the story and they'll
pick up truth along the way.
But if your child is old enough to see, huh, wow, that reminds me exactly of what I heardabout my friend in junior high just did or went through or.
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happen to them or I heard on the news or the radio, they'll be able to go, oh, that helpsme make sense of the world.
And so that's my goal.
Because wonder, and then I'll unpack what is wonder, what is the realm of wonder, who'sbehind it, how does it work.
Well, you have to get to book 10 before I give that away.
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Okay, save the best for last.
That's awesome.
Speaking of wonder, you're working with a lot of tension here because there's some thingsthat are so marvelous and wonder is, you know, so ethereal and beyond and colorful and
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hopeful.
And then you're dealing with some really tough, real issues.
How do you keep the the tension?
How do you even as you're walking through life?
That's just the reality of how
how we are having to deal with day-to-day life.
How do you keep your wonder and imagination active while grappling with these topics?
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um Well, I think uh kids are a big deal.
You got to hang out with kids, you know?
And um my family and I have a very childlike way of uh humor.
We're always goofing around.
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We're very goofy.
And so for me, uh laughter and humor and seeing the silliness
and dumb puns and stuff like that have always been a huge, huge coping mechanism for us.
And so we will always find a way to laugh in almost any situation we can find theridiculous.
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um so I would say that's probably one of the number one things that I learned to do em andwe've learned to do together.
Because it really does
break a lot of stuff off of you when you laugh.
does.
There's something spiritual about laughter because I can't tell you the number of times inthe last five years that the idea of you have to laugh or else you'll cry just comes up.
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you know, and thankfully I'm surrounded by family who view life the same way.
And you do have to make the best of terrible situations.
And thankfully God's given us a sense of humor.
Yeah, and I really do think I just we win.
leads us in triumphal procession.
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That literally means everywhere I go, I go to win.
I didn't come to your meeting to lose.
I didn't get out of bed to lose.
And I didn't come up with that.
was a guy named Curry Blake.
But the idea that whatever situation I walk into, I didn't get here.
I'm not here to lose.
Not because I'm so great.
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but because he's so great, I'm with him.
We don't lose.
So I may do an OB-1, you know, where I bend over and go, yeah, I'll bow out now.
I don't need to duke it out with you, but I win.
I mean, when you think about it, humility, you win when you're humble.
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You win when you're kind.
You win when you're loving.
You win when you forgive.
You win, you know, when you move out of the way for other people.
And so when you see the irony of how uh scratching for control, power, and uh dominanceactually is a great way to lose, it's kind of funny.
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It's like when you, uh in book five, when I take on the world orderers ordering forum, youknow, I can't help it.
Some of the things that Krauss Schnob said so very funny.
You will eat nothing, you're all nothing, going to be happy.
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know, you're like, what a wacko.
You know, you just kind of, so, and one of the best things in overcoming fear is learningto laugh at yourself and your fears because they're so, fear is such a small way to live,
you know.
it is.
And it's, I mean, you've talked about it, but it's so limiting.
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ah Not just, it's limiting of the world that you allow yourself to live in.
It's not just limiting of your, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say,but hopefully, hopefully you get a good, it'll, it'll, it'll scoot through the airwaves.
from Julie's handbook of Fear-Free Living.
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Fear never just says, OK, I'll take East Germany, you take West Germany, and we'll leaveit there.
There's no line.
But we think, we think, OK, if I just avoid that one thing.
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that really scares me.
I'll keep the rest of my life and just avoid dealing with that one thing.
We're sadly mistaken if we think the spirit of fear just stays on that side of thedemilitarized zone.
It never does.
Fear constantly encroaches.
Fear's constantly taking another bite.
So if you give it one area of your life and you say, well, I'll do everything else, butI'll just never confront my alcoholic dad, you know.
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or whatever it is you've decided your carve out, trust me, it doesn't work that way.
Like you said, it will make your world smaller and smaller.
And it doesn't, this was the point I lost halfway through the airwaves, was it doesn'tjust make your world smaller, it makes you smaller.
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You just keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller until the purpose that you have togive the world is not visible to anyone.
Right.
And trust me, I mean, I was such a fearful person.
The word that described my life was fear.
In every way that, and I had all kinds of them.
Weird ones, big ones, little ones, know, anxiety, depression, know, this, that, know,panic, a little panic on the side.
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I had them all.
Self-hatred, you know, I mean, little fear that I wasn't enough and fear that God hatedme.
You know, just pick one.
I had them all.
Wow.
you really can get better, it's true.
Don't let the enemy lie to you about how it works.
He doesn't, you know.
I mean, it's not, you gotta be willing to walk it out.
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But I remember when the Lord told me, said, it's time, you gotta deal with this one.
And I was like, no, you're kidding me, but everybody just loves me the way I am.
And I'm so successful.
I'm so successful doing so many other things you've gotta be kidding.
Aren't you sure you need me teaching Sunday school?
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Instead of, uh
doing whatever it is, know, aren't you sure you need me doing this other really importantthing?
You know, and he's like, nope, I really don't.
And I said, well, okay, I've learned enough about who you are that, that I'll take the, Iwill follow you one step at a time.
You take my hand, the answer's yes.
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And I'm just going to trust you.
We're going to do this together and we're going to do it in, you know, doable bites.
And he's so good that way.
He really is.
he is so good that way.
And I'm glad that we don't really get to know the step number three because it can be toomuch.
I know.
Now, um I do have one fear that I'm going to give into right now.
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The fear that your people won't know how to buy my books.
So I must tell them how to buy it.
Because you see, there's no other way to get them except for at this website right here.
I just did not want to, first of all, um
Amazon doesn't pay authors very much and I just didn't want to get canceled.
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just said plus their print to order things cannot compete with the quality of what we'reputting out and and I've curated this whole I've curated the layout the design the stories
the um You know work brought in the editors um Found the em illustrator worked with herput the whole thing together the concept.
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I mean it's it's
It's really a VIP deal.
so if you want to get my books, you have to get them there.
But I'll tell you what, to make it easier to go through the friction of a new website, ifyou go to the quest for wonder.com, you get book one for free with a free audio book
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bonus.
If you just pay me for shipping and handling and then, but you have to stay on the siteand get books two and three, because that's where you get all these, this juicy.
good stuff that we've all been through.
Book one is super fun and exciting and people love it.
But what I'm hearing now from people who oh got the first three is, boy, I love book twoand I love book three.
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it's really there by the book three is really, really getting to the jugular of all we'vebeen through, of the depth of what we've faced and how to talk to kids about it.
But each book lays an important piece in that process, right?
Yeah.
and I have study guides so that if you want to use this in a home school or a differentkind of learning environment or you want to just have those on hand, those are digitally
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delivered.
The books are physical copies.
But um you can have uh these study guides to be able to talk to your kids about.
And I have some bonuses and stuff.
But you got to go to thequestforwonder.com to get them.
trusting that people will help me make it possible to get books four and five printedfaster than I had anticipated.
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Because now that others are finished with book three, they're really bugging me aboutthose other books now.
Yeah, they are.
They are.
heard that when I was doing a little research.
People are chomping at the bit.
And I'll put this in the show notes, Julie, and I'll also put it up on our website sopeople can have access to it if they're coming to it a little bit late.
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A question for you.
I mean, these are tough topics.
Any advice for parents who are trying to deal with talking to their kids about toughtopics?
Well, I think, first of all, you want them to have great literature.
And you can talk about really so many things with great books.
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And there's some good ones.
The Green Ember series is very good.
And uh a lot of classic, classic literature, the postmodern stuff that's made its way intothe libraries.
And the bookshelves of kids recently is a complete total waste.
uh
the woke stuff is, but the, but classic fairy tales, classic literature, this is why youwant to read with your kids.
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This is why if you get my books, you're getting these free audio books.
can get them, you get free audio books for two and three too, if you buy those.
And so you can listen in the car and talk about it.
And this is the kind of experience, as an example, obviously my books are the best, but ifyou, you know, you,
want to have these experiences with your kids so you can listen to great literaturetogether and then begin to talk about the characters and sit down and say have you ever
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felt like that?
Have you been through anything like that?
What do you think?
And then it takes it off of it's not so heavy handed, right?
But um look, our kids are, you know, they're just looking for an excuse to pick us overeverybody else out there.
And I think this is the deal parents don't realize is that if you're not careful and youdon't maintain supremacy in the sense of being the central and most important people in
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your kid's life, it can be taken from you very easily when you drop them off six, sevenhours a day and pick them up and then drop them off to two hours more of activities.
And so one of the biggest, and people don't realize how quickly they lose their children.
in establishment education systems because they have to survive they're not stupid theyrealize you're not there so you want to be there as much as possible for the conversations
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and uh...
and uh...
you want to have as much family building time and do less do less do less stuff lessrunning around you can you know interesting thing about homeschooling is you can get
your schoolwork done in a few hours a day and the rest of the day you can do all kinds ofother things like start a business or teach your kid how to do laundry.
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Yay!
That's just an option.
Yeah, but we keep thinking we got to do more.
I think we need to do less.
And I think um laughing, laugh, laugh, laugh, lots of fun.
And look, who wants to be around us if we're like bummed out all the time?
So we want to keep a joy factor there.
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and read, read good books with your kids.
question for you.
What is your dream for the children who read your book?
that they'll help me make movies.
Why not?
These are screaming to have movies made about them.
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They're screaming at me.
I'll tell you.
Awesome.
Well, I'm prayerful that we will see that day very soon.
thank you.
I received that.
Yes, may it be so.
Yeah, well Julie, thank you so much for taking some time with me today.
You are such a gift.
Thank you for putting your heart and soul into this and giving uh parents some tools thatare much needed to really walk through some of the lessons we've learned and some of the
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tough experiences we've had over the last couple of years and also a new way to see theworld.
Yeah, absolutely.
Have a great night, Julie.
I will, you can count on it.
You too.
Thank you.
Welcome everyone to for the love of freedom and a special welcome to VOP USA radiolisteners from around the world.
Thank you all for joining us today.
This is a new weekly show I started we're about five episodes in because I wanted to digdeeper into the personal stories behind so many of the guests that we've had on the state
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of freedom podcast, but because of the pressing policy issues we discuss we haven't alwayshad the time and space to do that.
So for the love of freedom is my answer to that.
It's a new space where I get to have coffee table style discussions that really allow usto get to know the person and the life stories behind the incredible people who are
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bringing freedom to the world.
So joining me today is someone who just oozes inspiration and catches you up in it.
You will want to share this episode with everyone.
You know who is a parent of young children.
Julie Lavender-Ledoux is an artist, a jazz musician, and an author.
She's written an exceptionally compelling book series for children aged 10 to 14 calledThe Amazing Series.
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And she takes on some very tough topics in a really beautifully approachable andimagination stirring way.
Julie, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
Thank you and thank you for that um well-constructed introduction.
uh
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you for joining me.
You must be a night owl that you're able to join me so late from where you are.
Well, um I'm overseas right now and I will make time to talk about these things anytime.
I've done middle of the night stuff before and you know when you have a really importantmessage to get out, you gotta get out of bed to do it.
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uh
You do.
Well, thank you for getting out of bed to do it.
And I love to start every episode with a scripture.
And the one that I pulled for today is Proverbs chapter 10, verses 20 to 21.
And it says, the teachings of the godly ones are like pure silver, bringing words ofredemption to others.
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But the heart of the wicked is corrupt.
The lovers of God feed many with their teachings.
but the foolish ones starve themselves for a lack of an understanding heart.
And I thought that really captured um the heart and direction of your books.
you are an author, you're an artist, you're a musician, but to me, you're also really ateacher at heart.
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And I saw that firsthand when I met you at an event in Nashville a number of years ago,the beginning of my awakening, and you gave a talk on fear.
there that really impacted me because at that time, you may not know this actually, atthat time I was working for Pfizer headquarters, the belly of the beast itself.
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And I had a lot of fear.
I had fear of leaving corporate America.
I had fear of, you know, look mom, no hands.
Cause I had a very niche skillset.
And so the Lord used your talk and the book.
that you shared with us then I read that book um to kind of help me along that path and afew years later I started um podcasting so I make that connection to you so thank you for
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being such a great teacher.
Wow, well that means the world to me because that is underlying all that I do.
That theme of overcoming fear um is central.
When you say the book, do you talking about the book, fear is the key?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got to go back now on now and give me a better review.
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Cause I like got one review for one star.
It's on, you know, it's not as available on it is on Amazon.
It's on Barnes and Noble and some of the other platforms.
For some reason, I'm not sure how accessible it is on Amazon, but somebody left me onedang star.
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But you know what?
They must have been so non-fearful that they didn't need me.
Or they just were afraid to leave a better review.
don't know.
They just, they didn't read it.
Well, it's funny that you bring all that up because one of the things that I learned isthat if you want to know what you were created to do, and this is, know, look, my book is
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short and it's punk, you know, it's punk-tilius.
think that's the right word.
It's beefy, it's nuggety, and it gives you the distilling down what took me probably 25years to learn.
But one of the, just one of the key things is, is that if you want to know why you werecreated and what you need to do, you need to go deeply and directly into what you're the
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most afraid of.
Because it's buried there.
And if you want to know what you must do, you have to go find out where the enemy decidedto take you out in what ways he did it.
And how, because they're.
divinely designed uh darts of destruction, you know, devastatingly directed at yourdestiny.
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That's a lot of D's.
You know I love alliteration.
When we get more into the books, you'll see how much I love alliteration just by thetitles.
But yeah, so that means a lot to me because really, uh
ah And I heard somebody say something about fear that that turned my head again is thatYou know of all the things God really tells you don't break this commandment When he says
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don't be afraid we sort of see it in terms of comfort like let me cover you don't beafraid and The way somebody said it recently it was like do there do know I'm commanding
you You you cannot live out of a state of fear.
That's an
That's an order.
It's true, and I've heard people say it like um fear is not an emotion, fear is a spirit.
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So it's like agreeing with a spirit, it's less than a valid emotion.
Absolutely, it's a force, it's an intelligence, it's a devastating uh directional weapon,you know?
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And unfortunately, when you feel afraid at such a visceral experience, it's hard to keepyour wits about you to understand what's happening.
everything I'm doing right now, including the kids' books, is...
I never would have done, I mean first of all I've done everything I do afraid, even ifafraid I'd do it anyway, but I never would have gotten to this point um if the Lord hadn't
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spoken to me and said to me, uh it's time, you can't do this anymore, you can't hide inavoidance anymore.
uh
that a little bit if you would.
Yeah, well, uh one of the things I learned is that if you have a, you have corecompetencies that allow you to, to artfully avoid dealing with things.
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And that's called avoidance.
And avoidance actually increases the role of anxiety in your life because you'll gothrough an anxiety loop when you're about to, take something on you need to face and it
terrifies you.
So you back off, you get a hit of relief and a euphoria from not doing it.
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And then, and you think, whew, that was the right thing to do.
I never should have faced that scary thing.
And then what happens is it gets buried deeper within your non-conscious mind and comes upin greater anxiousness.
So it really boomerangs back on you.
But one of the things people often do is hide within core competences that are easier andnot threatening.
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So you'll get um all day long and twice on Sundays, everyone giving you applause for doingall the things that keep you busy and keep people happy and keep the trains running on
time, but aren't the thing you need to do.
But we tend to make other people happier and better organized and all kinds of things.
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Or sometimes it can be really destructive what we do too.
to avoid, but usually people don't want you to stop doing the things.
It's true.
In fact, you know, the Lord was talking to me about that this either this week or lastweek.
It's kind of all blurs together.
But this idea of um you need to be where I call you to be and you need to be OK with otherpeople being unhappy about that.
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That's a mouthful.
No.
That's really true.
And especially if your avoidance takes the form of staying in codependent or dysfunctionalrelationships.
People really don't like it when you stop doing the dance, you know, and then they'relike, wait a minute, she always steps left right now and she's not doing it and it's
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messed up the whole system we've got.
But, um you know,
oh to really kind of encapsulate one of the things that was the most important to me waswhen the Lord said to me, you learned to be afraid.
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you can learn to be free.
You can learn to feel safe, in essence.
Because what we think is, you know, we don't come out, honestly, we don't come hardwiredfor fear.
We come hardwired for love and hunger and, you know, we are hardwired for, our bodies knowhow to protect us, so if they sense danger, they will go into different mechanisms to keep
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us, you know,
physically able to protect ourselves as best we can.
But we really don't come out just hardwired, afraid and terrified.
We don't.
We learn that.
We learn to be afraid.
We learn we're not safe.
We learn we might not be loved.
We learn these things.
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And if fear is learned, think about it, through something big or a series of small papercuts over time based on a report.
beating situation if if learning to be afraid and then and then your body learns tobelieve your body disbelief that you believe so when all the fight-or-flight things happen
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in clammy hands and the and the shakes and the panicky things that's just because yourbody was triggered by something you think I thought that I believed that it's here
somewhere in my body is like whoa
Whoa, that could kill you, that could kill you, that could kill you.
Maybe a rubber snake, but if you think it's not, you could kill you.
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Your body's gonna react in full on fight or flight terror, the whole deal, to get you outof there.
So if you learned to be, if you learned to be afraid or just deeply chronically anxious,which is, know, it's just, that's fear, you know, then, um
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you can really learn a different way of being.
And that encouraged me so much because usually we just think we're a victim of fear.
I was just minding my own business and then I was afraid and it just seems to come out ofnowhere.
It's so, it's so completely, you know, global to us.
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It's owning us.
I don't know what happened.
All of a sudden I was afraid or, know, but it really, it really isn't like that.
It really comes, I mean obviously if somebody jumps up behind you or something like that,but in terms of uh our relationships and our life experiences, it's really, it's really,
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uh it's really what's going on here.
Yeah.
So do you, what have you done?
Do you speak the truth?
Do you look it in the face and say, okay, this is what I'm reacting in fear to, but thetruth is I am loved.
The truth is I am capable or whatever the answer is to the fear.
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Is that one of the ways you might coach people to get over it?
Yeah, what I've learned is that since we're multi-dimensional beings, body, soul andspirit, really need to approach it all three ways, right?
And so you really need to have healing of traumatic memories and Dave Hayes' book isawesome.
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And then Sozo Ministries, stuff like that, where you actually get emotionally healed fromtriggering memories is key.
um Absolutely brain retraining stuff.
um
going out on purpose to do things on a regular basis that make you afraid is reallyimportant.
When I had my daily uh podcast on fear free living, I ended everyone with the words, nowgo do something that scares you.
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Like make a habit every day.
Now it's funny because now that I've come, you'll actually come to the point where it getsreal quiet and not so many things do.
But I was saying that during COVID.
Good for you.
mean, there were a few times here and there, but um so I had to make myself leave thehouse.
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I didn't want to leave the house, you know.
And um but anyway, yeah, I mean, you learn to see doing something that makes youuncomfortable and scared as key to the process of your um well-being.
And so yeah, it's a big long story.
But I mean, if people are interested, I think I sum it up the best in the shortest amountof time, or at least get people to want to take the journey because you have to just
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decide you're not going to live like this anymore.
You're fed up and you're not going to take it anymore.
So I wrote this little book called Fear is the Key.
And uh I think it says a lot.
We'll put links to it.
only Kindle versions out there on Barnes and Noble or I think Amazon.
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I'll get the link and put it in the show notes for people.
Now, maybe that'll take us over to the topic of your books.
So you have such a strong value for courage.
How did that translate into equipping parents to be brave in the way that they raise theirkids?
Because I find that comes through.
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I've only read, I've read the first book, Constance and the Battle for Wonder.
ah
And it's been a little while, so the memory's little fuzzy on it, but that comes through.
Well, I set out to write one kind of book and wound up writing a book series that by thetime we're done with book five, I'm taking on the World Economic Forum.
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started with one girl trying to figure out her life.
The next thing you know, I am telling the truth story of what happened to us in the 21stcentury.
And this is the amazing thing that happens when you're committed.
to being a courageous person, doesn't mean you don't feel afraid.
It just means that you don't allow a fear state to control you.
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Don't be afraid, which means to give yourself over to the fear state.
I wrote an original kind of uh story, world-building thing a while back, and a guy readit.
He said, you know, you really got something here, but you need to write a series.
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and you need to write down for younger kids.
So these books are for kids 10 to 14.
And kids love to read in series.
So he said, you really need to think about where this family could go if you wrote aseries.
So it starts out, the Amazings series.
Thank you.
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Starts out with a story of one family in an entirely colorblind town called GreystoneHeights.
um And they are the only family that can see color.
Everyone else has lost the ability to see color because they conform to something calledthe prescribed order.
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But the Folsom family can see color because they interact with the supernatural realmcalled wonder.
And so they won't conform because they don't want to live in the gray.
And they don't really totally understand what this realm of wonder is.
don't.
get it in a fold over that this series but all they know is it's real all they know isthey can think and they can see and they don't want and they can see what's happening
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around them there's something wrong with what's happening around them and they're figuringit out and it starts when their daughter wants to go to school with all the other kids at
the grown-up factory she thinks it's kind of you know mom i got all that wonder stuff thatyou know what's that does the gray seems so sophisticated and
So they're not sure, but they let her go.
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And we're off to the races because at this point, the family doesn't realize that theshadowy elders of the order behind the scenes now think they have a chance to get control
of the one family that stands in the way of their total domination of the entire town, theone nonconforming family.
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And of course, we can't have any nonconforming families, can we?
And so they want to use her daughter.
through the uh education system, through the grown-up factory, and uh use that system toget a hold of her and eventually her family.
And along the way she learns about betrayal and friendships and pressures and trust, andshe needs to own her own choice.
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Will she fight for wonder, or will she conform?
Is the gray side the same as the bright side?
Is it all the same?
Because the elders are telling everybody there's nothing supernatural out there.
You need us.
You need the order.
Just like totalitarian governments take away God and then they can substitute theircontrol.
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know, communism is dead or no.
Aviaism, therefore you need us, right?
And so it was just an interesting story I was passionate about because having homeschooledour kids and stuff, I really did think deeply about structures of control.
and thriving versus, uh you know, what was being served up in the establishment educationaround me, essentially, and what we could do and why would we want to do it differently.
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But I'll tell you what, it grew because ah then, you know, as I began to write, then Ibegan, in book two, I began to take on the abuse of science.
And what happens if at the school science fair,
They decide to control all the questions the kids can ask so they can control the answersthey come up with to reaffirm that there's no meaning and purpose.
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There's no mystery in the universe.
There's no design, no intelligence.
This is why you need the order.
And right.
what an amazing analogy really for the awakening process too.
I feel like I've gone through that process you like you go to, um well I was probablyleaving, I was leaving the grown-up factory and having to wake up to all these realities
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that we're unfortunately faced with.
that are, I don't know, that have just been kind of hidden beneath the surface or reallyhidden in plain sight.
Right.
And in this book, of course, they can't stand anyone who connects to wonder.
And they know color is, if you can start to see color, you're not far from wonder.
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So we have to keep reinforcing the gray.
And we have to keep controlling the systems of, um you know, thought and, again, science,relationships, pressure, community in book two.
But it goes very sideways because
Constance's brother, Constance is the main character, she sort of drives the storyforward.
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But in my family, I have a beautiful intact family, mom and dad and four kids andConstance is the oldest daughter.
But then she has three incredible brothers that are foils, you know, that have these wildpersonalities and they all interact.
in book two, her crazy brother, Chance, who blows things up just to see how they work.
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He can't stand the manipulation at the science fair.
And he says, they're lying to you.
I know there's geniosity behind the olive at all, because I've been to Wonder and I sawhow it started.
he busts into the school science fair and sets off a supernatural science fair project.
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And it goes very wrong.
What could go wrong?
um
And then along the way, Constance is dealing with bitterness and unforgiveness from herbroken heart, from relationship in the school, and all these things are happening.
uh And the family's trying to, and they're just trying to, they're starting to realizethere's more going on behind the scenes than just another way to educate your kids, you
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know?
And so by book three, when other people in the town,
This is where it really gets dicey, and this is a book I was writing in 2020.
By book three, other people in town, reasons I won't tell you, spoiler alert, they startto see dashes of color.
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So people are asking questions, and they're starting to choose to wear colorful outfits,and something's coming alive, and Constance is so excited this is happening in her school.
But guess what the elders of the orders say?
They say, my gosh, we can't have this because we'll lose control of these people.
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so, but we can't tell them they haven't seen what they've seen.
We'll just tell them what it means.
So this is a book about propaganda.
And so they tell everyone um that the reason why they're seeing color is because they'vebeen exposed to a plague and that color could kill you.
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And so you need to wear gray glasses on your face at all times to protect you from thisplague.
And so Constance, even though she's been raised with this family, is completely inundated.
Everywhere she goes, color could kill you, color could kill you.
The authorities have the answer.
There's an authorized ideas manager who's in charge of making sure that all TV and radioand newspapers and stuff all tell everybody the world, their world that this is
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terrifying, you know, and they need to conform.
And Constance comes home and now she doesn't trust her family anymore.
They were so close and she knew wonder was a thing.
And now she's instantly almost overnight.
by the massive rollout of propaganda can't find her her bearings.
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And now she's terrified of the color that was her life before.
Is this not what we've all been through?
It is, I have to think it was pretty cathartic to write.
uh
You talk about being scared.
Because I honestly, it was hard to go to the page to write because I don't write with anoutline.
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I get titles and I get some ideas and then we see what happens.
And I honestly didn't, so I have to tell you the titles of the books because you'll likethose.
But I honestly didn't know if my people would be okay.
This is 2020.
I'm shocked that churches are letting people call them non-essential.
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I was writing, okay, let me tell you.
So the first book is Constance and the Battle for Wonder.
That's when she first goes off to the grownup factory to see what's happening, you know,how the other half lives.
And we start to find out about the elders of the order and what their interests are andwhy the falsomes love color and why other people don't and what conformity looks like.
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What, you know, and uh as opposed to conviction and free, you know, really seriousthinking, free thinking.
So that's Constance and the battle for wonder.
Will Constance fight for wonder or will she just conform?
Will she just, you know, do what everyone else is doing?
Constance enchants the crazy brother and the big bang backlash.
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This one goes deeply, deeply into origins.
in a really super fun way with some beefy science taught through the school science fairand how chance is just determined that everyone understands the geniosity behind the all
of it all.
And I have to, I've been to wonder, I've got a science project from wonder and I have toshow everyone exactly why I know there's genius in our universe, our cosmos.
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And so that's.
Constance and Chance and the Big Bang Backlash.
Remember I told you I like alliteration.
Well this book, Constance and Charleston, her nerdy brother who reads the dictionary justfor fun.
The book in that third uh cover is a dictionary because this kid understands that wordscontrol the world.
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And if you can control the words, you can control people.
So he begins to unpack how words are used.
truthfully or artfully or craftily or trickily, you know what I mean?
Trickishly?
Anyway, so he, that book is called Constance and Charleston and the bombastic baffle gab,which are two really fun words that literally mean propaganda.
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And so, um so he, this book is about how propaganda works.
And what happens is the kids in my books teach each other.
They'll learn things, come home, they'll go, wow, what was that?
What did you think about that?
Or Charleston will be reading the dictionary.
Wow, you check this out?
look what I just learned.
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When she comes home terrified that a black hole plague, a plague leaked out of a blackhole and a symptom of it is seeing color, so you have to wear, dangerous to see color, it
could get to you.
He's like, you're kidding me,
Let's research this." So he researches it.
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And now he's really mad.
He's mad that they're lying to everybody in town.
So he starts his own newspaper in Book 3 to tell the truth about what's happening.
Well, what could go wrong when you start your own newspaper and begin to ask questionswhen the elders of the order control everything and they don't want you doing that?
Imagine what could happen to you and your family that we've all been through, right?
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Right?
And so...
It was hard to write because I didn't, you know, I'm going this way, well this is a reallyfun idea and my son Jean-Marc helped me kind of flesh out this idea about color and gray
glasses and all this stuff and how they would position color as, you know, dangerous.
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What's the word when you can catch something?
contagious.
Thank you!
And so um we're living through this and again I'm watching people around me.
They're saying things like, well, I went to the store today and I stayed six feet awayfrom someone else.
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I'm like, or well our churches, we care so much we closed our doors.
Or you know Jesus would want you to wear a mask or you know.
people out on the road, somebody wearing a mask in a car, I was like, Jesus, this is, Imean, mean, literarily, Jesus, this is America.
What happened to you people?
know, what happened to Christians?
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What happened to you?
Do you know, greater is he that is in me?
What?
mean, right, it was just so, so evil and shocking to see who was willing to just give upeverything.
and then to watch who was being canceled and shut down and marginalized and seeing notonly would people uh be afraid, they would hate you for not being afraid.
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Like, wait a minute, you changed the definition of vaccinations and then you're going togo get one to protect you.
But you're afraid of me because I thought you had one.
I know.
to protect you from this.
So we have to change the definition of a vaccine, which I guess everybody in the world hasto take all the same stuff at the same time or we could all die.
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And Julie, working at, I worked at Pfizer during COVID, right?
Yeah, and it was astounding.
So there's a woman uh in my chain of command, like up above me.
And we had become friendly before she kind of got a bigger job.
And she called me, well, I was refusing the Vax, refusing, refusing.
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Early on, she told me, she was like, if we're doing this as Pfizer, there's absolutely.
no chance I will ever take that vaccine because no vaccines are created that quickly,right?
So clock that.
I was in my apartment in New York.
That had to be February, March, March.
Okay, so it would have been March, April, May of 2020.
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Fast forward to after, you know, once these things start rolling out and here I amrefusing and she's like, yeah, but you're not going to get a promotion.
And you know, what are you talking about?
Of course I'm getting it.
Of course I'm giving it to my child.
And I'm like, these people drank their own Kool-Aid.
They knew, they knew.
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You know, it was even more astounding for me in that environment, I think, because it wasjust like, y'all know the rules.
Y'all literally know the rules and you know that the rules are not suddenly the same asthey always have been.
So why can't you be so comfortable doing this?
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to wake up in the midst of mass psychosis and people that should know better or thinkbetter or, I don't know, but I'm writing this book, this books and I'm going, how do you
have to give children a happy ending?
I mean, I never write that lap, slappy, easy peasy things because the world doesn't likethat.
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Yeah.
if your fiction, if your fairy stories can't handle, can't live up to the ghouls outthere, you know, they're not big enough because classic fairy tales handle very evil
things, topics, you know.
So we have to be able to write books that can hold up to this, what we're facing or it'sjust not fair to kids not to give them a narrative to live out of that can handle it.
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And so I didn't know how to write, but I did keep writing.
then um eventually I wrote about something that was super, super redemptive.
You talked about words of silver.
Well, silver in the Bible is associated with redemption.
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And so I really seek to have that.
redemption in what I write.
And I pray, you know, and God helped me and I'm surprised.
I'm amazed when all I've got is a title and a bad situation.
How am I going get about this?
Well then, what's interesting is that I couldn't stop there because I was commenting a loton the fear, the propaganda, the use of media, the abuse of media, the gray glasses, the
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things on the face and all that.
And guess what, in book uh three, I even have a character named Karen.
And she's a little girl who wears two pairs of gray glasses on her face at all times justto keep herself.
And she rats on others.
em Anyway, um but it didn't stop there.
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Because then when they started, you know,
jabbing and and punishing people and then you heard the rhetoric about how We should allbe put away because we're not doing the getting our jabs and they and and and the yelling
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and screaming what they hoped would happen to us for not obeying that we should bepunished and then you could see the places where they were locking people up in Australia
and those little cubicles and stuff
And then people would say, well, I just want you to know I uh self quarantined, came homefrom, I came home from Walmart and quarantined for a week.
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You know, whatever, like you're kidding me.
So in book four, which is Constance and chief, her littlest brother and the blind spotblunder.
uh
They roll out something called safety drops for the kids' for everybody's eyes, you see,because the gray glasses won't keep you safe enough, you know, from the color demons and
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the color dangers.
So we have to make you permanently color blind.
So you'll really be safe.
You'll never see color ever again.
And think about it.
That is when you go so far into the brainwashing.
You won't come back.
You could be presented with all of the information and this is what we're seeing in theLGBTQ world.
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Parents have overseen the castration of their children, will spend the rest of their livesif they don't receive grace, will spend the rest of their lives over the hill on the
opposite side of reality to protect the choices they've made.
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Yeah.
And this is what happens if you say, I'm willing to be made permanently colorblind so thatI'll be permanently safe.
so this metaphor of color and colorblindness and safety drops, it just says it all.
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And I never have to re-traumatize a kid when they read my story because it's in enough ofa fantasy.
They can go, wow, that was dumb.
And then they go, wait, that's kind of what we went through.
Mom, that's what we went through.
And I've had kids say that, mom, it's not what we went through.
But in my books, there's a problem.
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What if some people who take the safety drops wind up blind?
What happens?
Is this not what we're living through right now?
And then that book is called Cheat.
It's not in print yet, because all of your viewers have to buy many, many copies of mycurrent.
three books.
All right, look, I'll put up and let me put up the link to that as well.
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I only need about 15 grand people and then I can print books four and five.
Okay, okay So And I have all my books by the way printed in India Because China is adifferent thing right?
They steal your intellectual property.
They're beautifully magazine quality archival paper beautiful, you know matte covers
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20 full color illustrations in every book.
Chapter books are not like this because they're usually newsprint, black and white, but Ican't tell kids that color is a metaphor for revelation and truth and give them black and
white books.
I can't.
So color has to be, the whole experience has to be so rich for the people who read them,including adults love these because they're really healing.
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The more you read, because I go deeper into these themes, right?
I'm telling it like it is, right?
And so book four, what do you do and what if my family's affected in the book verypersonally by these safety drops?
Again, it's very personal to us.
Then by book five, uh which ends the first five books in this, there'll be 10 ultimately,then we'll go into the YA, the young adult thing.
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But book five is called Constance and
uh Cornelius, which is the family dog, and the um Balambang Jang Boomerang.
What does that mean?
Well, believe it or not, it is the real terminology from like 18th century sailorslanguage of a paradise.
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And what could be a perfect world, a new world order?
What could happen if somebody, if we decide to do what they tell us to do so we could allhave, you know, a great reordering?
Because there's the order and then we got to the great reordering.
And we gotta have, you know, we gotta even everything out and let the smart people tell usout of our 15 minute cities and all the things so we can just all be good.
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And so in this book I take on the World Economic Forum.
And it's hilarious, because tyrannists are hilarious.
I mean, their ideas are so stupid that you gotta have some fun.
Come on, you're, okay, we're staring down a global depopulation agenda.
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Who doesn't find that funny?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I'm a little cracked on this.
You got to, mean, seriously, because really if Jesus, you know, the Lord says in, youknow, Psalm, sorry, Psalm, it says the Lord sits in heaven and he laughs at his enemies.
Well, if he's got a good sense of humor about all this, I figured I could get one.
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But see, the point is, is that somebody has got to tell the truth story of what ishappening to us in the 21st century to children.
We cannot memory hold this.
My books are essentially history and prophecy.
because I'm telling the truth about what happened.
But I never do it in a way that will doom or terrify children.
But do you honestly think, I mean, apart from God and God's big factor here, we're goingto survive if we don't have people who understand, if we don't tell the next generation
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the truth of what these ghouls want to do and how they work and how they operate?
And if you can use metaphors and imagery,
instead of beating us up with a documentary format about how it all sucked or could.
Yeah, interview 900 traumatized individuals.
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why who I'm sorry.
I don't have time for that.
I'll watch I love Lucy reruns all day long before I want to relive Along we went throughbut we can't run from it we have to we have to tell the children the truth and and I want
to be the one to do it and it better be someone like me because because someone's gonnatell the kids what it meant they already have ideas about what it what it meant because
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There was so much fear out there and so much media out there.
Don't kid yourselves that our little munchkins weren't picking up a lot more than they'llever let on about what they went through.
that absolutely, and the institutionalized education systems, I'm sure have picked many,many creative ways to propagandize what we went through, who the villains were, and who
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the saviors were in that.
And it's not the same people you would pick.
Right, and just the stay safe, stay safe, stay safe, stay safe, stay safe.
this week and they hung up.
said, stay safe.
was like,
I would stop people and say, stay free, stay free, stay free.
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um
And then you see how they just roll another thing out to keep the population in aterrified state.
goes from when COVID was wearing thin, I guess, for a while there.
Then the next thing you know, the Ukraine flag was on everything everywhere at all times.
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And I went, you guys, once you see it, can't unsee it, which is why we teach childrenthrough narrative and through symbolism.
Because then they can start to grasp how concepts, how things work in a larger way.
then it's useful.
so, Danielle, you realize I am the Mary Poppins for the 21st century.
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I am the red-pilled Mary Poppins.
You are so red-pilled.
Because if Mary Poppins flew into the 21st century and took that red pill from the Matrixmovie where the guy wakes up and realizes, my gosh, it sucks.
This really is bad news.
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And I better do something about it.
There's a way out, but it's really bad and I can't go back to sleep.
If she took that red pill, she would use her spoonful of sugar to write.
write these books.
But since she wasn't available, I had to do it.
You filled in.
Well, you're doing a great job.
Tell us em about the fifth book and then I have a couple questions that I want to get toas well.
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Oh, that was the fifth.
Okay, that was the dog one.
Okay.
then I have, I'm working on rewriting something right now that will be book six and I'vealready pretty much done book seven.
So I'm well on the way and by the time I get through to book 10, I will have taken on thebiggest, most compelling issues of our time, including various forms of very difficult
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childhood abuse to deal with.
But always, and I write books so that,
I'll never violate your child's innocence or doom them out because I write in a way thatif your kid doesn't get what I'm talking about, they'll still enjoy the story and they'll
pick up truth along the way.
But if your child is old enough to see, huh, wow, that reminds me exactly of what I heardabout my friend in junior high just did or went through or.
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happen to them or I heard on the news or the radio, they'll be able to go, oh, that helpsme make sense of the world.
And so that's my goal.
Because wonder, and then I'll unpack what is wonder, what is the realm of wonder, who'sbehind it, how does it work.
Well, you have to get to book 10 before I give that away.
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Okay, save the best for last.
That's awesome.
Speaking of wonder, you're working with a lot of tension here because there's some thingsthat are so marvelous and wonder is, you know, so ethereal and beyond and colorful and
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hopeful.
And then you're dealing with some really tough, real issues.
How do you keep the the tension?
How do you even as you're walking through life?
That's just the reality of how
how we are having to deal with day-to-day life.
How do you keep your wonder and imagination active while grappling with these topics?
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um Well, I think uh kids are a big deal.
You got to hang out with kids, you know?
And um my family and I have a very childlike way of uh humor.
We're always goofing around.
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We're very goofy.
And so for me, uh laughter and humor and seeing the silliness
and dumb puns and stuff like that have always been a huge, huge coping mechanism for us.
And so we will always find a way to laugh in almost any situation we can find theridiculous.
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um so I would say that's probably one of the number one things that I learned to do em andwe've learned to do together.
Because it really does
break a lot of stuff off of you when you laugh.
does.
There's something spiritual about laughter because I can't tell you the number of times inthe last five years that the idea of you have to laugh or else you'll cry just comes up.
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you know, and thankfully I'm surrounded by family who view life the same way.
And you do have to make the best of terrible situations.
And thankfully God's given us a sense of humor.
Yeah, and I really do think I just we win.
leads us in triumphal procession.
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That literally means everywhere I go, I go to win.
I didn't come to your meeting to lose.
I didn't get out of bed to lose.
And I didn't come up with that.
was a guy named Curry Blake.
But the idea that whatever situation I walk into, I didn't get here.
I'm not here to lose.
Not because I'm so great.
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but because he's so great, I'm with him.
We don't lose.
So I may do an OB-1, you know, where I bend over and go, yeah, I'll bow out now.
I don't need to duke it out with you, but I win.
I mean, when you think about it, humility, you win when you're humble.
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You win when you're kind.
You win when you're loving.
You win when you forgive.
You win, you know, when you move out of the way for other people.
And so when you see the irony of how uh scratching for control, power, and uh dominanceactually is a great way to lose, it's kind of funny.
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It's like when you, uh in book five, when I take on the world orderers ordering forum, youknow, I can't help it.
Some of the things that Krauss Schnob said so very funny.
You will eat nothing, you're all nothing, going to be happy.
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know, you're like, what a wacko.
You know, you just kind of, so, and one of the best things in overcoming fear is learningto laugh at yourself and your fears because they're so, fear is such a small way to live,
you know.
it is.
And it's, I mean, you've talked about it, but it's so limiting.
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ah Not just, it's limiting of the world that you allow yourself to live in.
It's not just limiting of your, I don't know, I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say,but hopefully, hopefully you get a good, it'll, it'll, it'll scoot through the airwaves.
from Julie's handbook of Fear-Free Living.
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Fear never just says, OK, I'll take East Germany, you take West Germany, and we'll leaveit there.
There's no line.
But we think, we think, OK, if I just avoid that one thing.
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that really scares me.
I'll keep the rest of my life and just avoid dealing with that one thing.
We're sadly mistaken if we think the spirit of fear just stays on that side of thedemilitarized zone.
It never does.
Fear constantly encroaches.
Fear's constantly taking another bite.
So if you give it one area of your life and you say, well, I'll do everything else, butI'll just never confront my alcoholic dad, you know.
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or whatever it is you've decided your carve out, trust me, it doesn't work that way.
Like you said, it will make your world smaller and smaller.
And it doesn't, this was the point I lost halfway through the airwaves, was it doesn'tjust make your world smaller, it makes you smaller.
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You just keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller until the purpose that you have togive the world is not visible to anyone.
Right.
And trust me, I mean, I was such a fearful person.
The word that described my life was fear.
In every way that, and I had all kinds of them.
Weird ones, big ones, little ones, know, anxiety, depression, know, this, that, know,panic, a little panic on the side.
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I had them all.
Self-hatred, you know, I mean, little fear that I wasn't enough and fear that God hatedme.
You know, just pick one.
I had them all.
Wow.
you really can get better, it's true.
Don't let the enemy lie to you about how it works.
He doesn't, you know.
I mean, it's not, you gotta be willing to walk it out.
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But I remember when the Lord told me, said, it's time, you gotta deal with this one.
And I was like, no, you're kidding me, but everybody just loves me the way I am.
And I'm so successful.
I'm so successful doing so many other things you've gotta be kidding.
Aren't you sure you need me teaching Sunday school?
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Instead of, uh
doing whatever it is, know, aren't you sure you need me doing this other really importantthing?
You know, and he's like, nope, I really don't.
And I said, well, okay, I've learned enough about who you are that, that I'll take the, Iwill follow you one step at a time.
You take my hand, the answer's yes.
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And I'm just going to trust you.
We're going to do this together and we're going to do it in, you know, doable bites.
And he's so good that way.
He really is.
he is so good that way.
And I'm glad that we don't really get to know the step number three because it can be toomuch.
I know.
Now, um I do have one fear that I'm going to give into right now.
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The fear that your people won't know how to buy my books.
So I must tell them how to buy it.
Because you see, there's no other way to get them except for at this website right here.
I just did not want to, first of all, um
Amazon doesn't pay authors very much and I just didn't want to get canceled.
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just said plus their print to order things cannot compete with the quality of what we'reputting out and and I've curated this whole I've curated the layout the design the stories
the um You know work brought in the editors um Found the em illustrator worked with herput the whole thing together the concept.
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I mean it's it's
It's really a VIP deal.
so if you want to get my books, you have to get them there.
But I'll tell you what, to make it easier to go through the friction of a new website, ifyou go to the quest for wonder.com, you get book one for free with a free audio book
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bonus.
If you just pay me for shipping and handling and then, but you have to stay on the siteand get books two and three, because that's where you get all these, this juicy.
good stuff that we've all been through.
Book one is super fun and exciting and people love it.
But what I'm hearing now from people who oh got the first three is, boy, I love book twoand I love book three.
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it's really there by the book three is really, really getting to the jugular of all we'vebeen through, of the depth of what we've faced and how to talk to kids about it.
But each book lays an important piece in that process, right?
Yeah.
and I have study guides so that if you want to use this in a home school or a differentkind of learning environment or you want to just have those on hand, those are digitally
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delivered.
The books are physical copies.
But um you can have uh these study guides to be able to talk to your kids about.
And I have some bonuses and stuff.
But you got to go to thequestforwonder.com to get them.
trusting that people will help me make it possible to get books four and five printedfaster than I had anticipated.
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Because now that others are finished with book three, they're really bugging me aboutthose other books now.
Yeah, they are.
They are.
heard that when I was doing a little research.
People are chomping at the bit.
And I'll put this in the show notes, Julie, and I'll also put it up on our website sopeople can have access to it if they're coming to it a little bit late.
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A question for you.
I mean, these are tough topics.
Any advice for parents who are trying to deal with talking to their kids about toughtopics?
Well, I think, first of all, you want them to have great literature.
And you can talk about really so many things with great books.
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And there's some good ones.
The Green Ember series is very good.
And uh a lot of classic, classic literature, the postmodern stuff that's made its way intothe libraries.
And the bookshelves of kids recently is a complete total waste.
uh
the woke stuff is, but the, but classic fairy tales, classic literature, this is why youwant to read with your kids.
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This is why if you get my books, you're getting these free audio books.
can get them, you get free audio books for two and three too, if you buy those.
And so you can listen in the car and talk about it.
And this is the kind of experience, as an example, obviously my books are the best, but ifyou, you know, you,
want to have these experiences with your kids so you can listen to great literaturetogether and then begin to talk about the characters and sit down and say have you ever
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felt like that?
Have you been through anything like that?
What do you think?
And then it takes it off of it's not so heavy handed, right?
But um look, our kids are, you know, they're just looking for an excuse to pick us overeverybody else out there.
And I think this is the deal parents don't realize is that if you're not careful and youdon't maintain supremacy in the sense of being the central and most important people in
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your kid's life, it can be taken from you very easily when you drop them off six, sevenhours a day and pick them up and then drop them off to two hours more of activities.
And so one of the biggest, and people don't realize how quickly they lose their children.
in establishment education systems because they have to survive they're not stupid theyrealize you're not there so you want to be there as much as possible for the conversations
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and uh...
and uh...
you want to have as much family building time and do less do less do less stuff lessrunning around you can you know interesting thing about homeschooling is you can get
your schoolwork done in a few hours a day and the rest of the day you can do all kinds ofother things like start a business or teach your kid how to do laundry.
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Yay!
That's just an option.
Yeah, but we keep thinking we got to do more.
I think we need to do less.
And I think um laughing, laugh, laugh, laugh, lots of fun.
And look, who wants to be around us if we're like bummed out all the time?
So we want to keep a joy factor there.
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and read, read good books with your kids.
question for you.
What is your dream for the children who read your book?
that they'll help me make movies.
Why not?
These are screaming to have movies made about them.
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They're screaming at me.
I'll tell you.
Awesome.
Well, I'm prayerful that we will see that day very soon.
thank you.
I received that.
Yes, may it be so.
Yeah, well Julie, thank you so much for taking some time with me today.
You are such a gift.
Thank you for putting your heart and soul into this and giving uh parents some tools thatare much needed to really walk through some of the lessons we've learned and some of the
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tough experiences we've had over the last couple of years and also a new way to see theworld.
Yeah, absolutely.
Have a great night, Julie.
I will, you can count on it.
You too.
Thank you.
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