Gay Son or Thought Daughter? (feat. Isabella)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
fair?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't know if it's recording you hit the red button
, yeah it doesn't say like ohyeah, now it's recording.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah um, did you make a list of all the things that
we were giggling about lastnight?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
yeah okay well, a couple, a couple funny things,
yeah, okay.
Um, so we saw.
We saw um wicked last night,the movie isabella, and I did
caleb.
Where were you?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
working.
You didn't see it last night,you saw it during the day yeah,
whatever yesterday.
You know that people have towork like the day after
thanksgiving I don't blackfriday.
Yeah, I know, there were nogood deals on deaths yesterday
imagine dying on thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Huh, imagine dying on .

Speaker 2 (00:49):
People do it often actually we had two patients.
You had two patients dieyesterday, on thanksgiving, or
the day before yesterday yeah,but it's very common.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, but it is.
It is a good reality checkbecause, although I'm like, I
don't like, even when I was oncall I was like this is some
people's last, last Thanksgivingor last holiday with their
family.
It really just makes myproblems minute.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Does it make you feel extra thankful?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, I'm like Slay Queen, you don't want to trade
spots.
But Speaking of, because wewent to see Wicked yesterday,
isabella, what are you holdingspace for?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
The lyrics of Defying Gravity.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, isabella, what are you holding space for?
The lyrics of Defying Gravity?
No, what are you actuallyholding space for Whoa?
One time you get it.
One time, isabella, get it overwith, do yours.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Caleb, now you go?
No, you can do it you can do itone time.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Come on, do it.
Well, I need to hear the.
Do it again One more.
Well, I need to hear the.
Do it again One more.
Whoa, no, whoa no don't do thatagain.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
What's her name?
That's like the Hannah Montanaopening.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Cynthia Erivo.
Yes, okay, she goes, don't dothat.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's kind of a slay .

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't know if I can top that.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
You can't top anyone.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
It has been over six months now.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
No, you can't talk to anyone.
It has been less.
It's been over six months now?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
no, it hasn't six months.
Since what?
Since I topped so?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I'm in my six month run down.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, so I'm averse if it's happened within the last
six months do you like?
Re-virginize at that point yeah, I think of it.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
I thought it was like a year mark.
Then you can like re-virginize.
I stay in the bedroom, isabellayou can be a top virgin, though
, after a year yeah, I'm abottom bitch.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Isabella's educating us on gay culture thank you,
wait, you need to introduce her.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, I know well, I was going to get to it, but
after our wicked review but notime better than the present you
guys have probably noticed thatwe have another voice on the
podcast today, and it's notDavid's, it's my little sister.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Isabella.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Hello, yeah, we've talked about her before when we
talked about the budgeting.
Is so gay episode?
Yeah, and she sent us somequestions.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I hear my sister a lot throughout the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get name dropped, I get allgiddy when I hear it, people
know that I'm not an only child.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
yeah, well, do they?
Do they know that you have morethan just one sibling?
Yeah I think so.
Oh yeah, you've talked aboutyour brother yeah, zelda and his
thick, neck his name's notzelda.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, we'll refer to him as zelda.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
We love you, jared I don't know if I've actually seen
his face, I think you're wait.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
You have a brother named jared too, right?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
yeah, but it's really correctly what's the the
correct way?
J-a-r-r-o-d.
That's not the correct way.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
J-A-R-E-D.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's like when you spell like Caitlin with a
G-H-L-E-I-D-H Neighborly.
Oh my gosh, kinsley Grace.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
But Isabella flew in from DC.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Just to record this.
Yeah, just to record this.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Not for Thanksgiving or for my birthday or anything.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Can we comp it on the business account?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Her flight yeah it's a tax write-off.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
We should get a business account first.
I do that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, okay.
So anyways, she's visiting andwe're going to get some hot
takes from her on what it's likedating in Washington DC, and
from the heterosexualperspective and from like a Gen
Z perspective compared to us.
You know, we just talk aboutbeing gay sluts in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
And I'm realizing that I'm kind of jealous of all
your escapades.
I mean who wouldn't beSexcapades?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
We make our lives sound way more interesting on
the internet than they actuallyare.
Yeah.
We sat and watched an entireseason of a show last night.
It was great.
And then Freaky Friday what?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
was that called how to Die Alone?
Yeah, oh yeah, I already texteda friend about it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I just hope that it's as good as it actually is and
not just because of themultivitamins that we took,
right yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
You know that melatonin, it really gets the
shows going.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Those Flintstones gummies.
Okay, so wait, can we talkabout Wicked for a second?
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I didn't know that, like I'm not a theater kid or
anything like that, you are.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It shows.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah or anything like that you are.
It shows.
Yeah, that's okay.
I have other things going onfor me.
I didn't understand that.
Wicked is like a metaphor forsociety.
What?
And injustices?
Yeah, I mean, there's like somany like allusions to like
racism and like antisemitism andjust other othering other
people.
Is that the right?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, like going against the grain of being a
follower versus a leader.
Glinda.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
No.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Elphaba is like the outcast and she goes against the
grain and then Glinda likefirst is like in for it, and
then she's like, oh, fuck this.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm pretty.
I don't belong with you yeah, Imean not to like ruin it for
anyone, but wait no no, no, soI've been watching tiktoks about
it.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
And did she let a talking animal go?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
let it go.
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
like it was captured, yeah yeah, the little snow
leopard yeah but, do you knowthat?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
that is the cowardly lion?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
gasp they didn't make it look like a lion, it looks
like a snow leopard.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, so I watched the timelines and how they align
and match up and and then I'vebeen deep into this rabbit hole
about how there is the scarecrowI think it's the scarecrow uh,
alphaba, and then someone else.
They're in a love triangle.
What?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
oh, because what's the prince's name?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
oh, the hot, the hot gay one, the figaro fagaro.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Uh, jonathan bailey, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, my god there
was like a love.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
There's a love triangle between him and glenda
and elphaba, because he kind oflikes elphaba too yeah oh my god
, it's like.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Try not to touch the table it's like the challengers,
but reverse instead of two guys, it's two girls and a gay man
in a love triangle.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Okay, but jonathan bailey did such a good job with
like being the perfect amount ofbisexual like in that movie
where, like all the guys wantedhim, all the girls wanted him.
Did you see, everyone in theaudience wanted him too.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think I showed you the photo of the signing, where
someone brought him the photo ofhaving that other.
What is it?
Fellow travelers?
Oh, yes, and he had his feet inhis mouth.
And he was sucking on them andhe, he smiled and autographed it
for them.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm so jealous.
He's so cute.
I'd like his toes Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
And you've never watched Bridgerton.
No, no, I need to watch thatBecause he's like I want to
watch more Jonathan Bailey.
I was like season two ofBridgerton.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I watched season one.
I didn't even know.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Season two's I don't watch.
There is no season three Okaysorry, I'll watch Bridgerton.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well yeah, you'll get all the good shots of him.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Very steamy.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I probably will watch Wicked at home because it would
piss me off if a bitch startedsinging or if they were off key
like y'all doing that.
Oh.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh, no one in the theater was doing that.
I would get up and walk out.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
No one did that, oh, but y'all were supposed to bring
me an article Of the popcorncontainer Ten we did bring you
an article we brought you.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Whoa, how much did you pay for that?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
That's free for you Return it.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh my God, Okay Kyle, what are we going to talk about
?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Okay, we're going to talk about.
I think we're just going tohand the mic over to Isabella
and let her chit-chat about whatlife in DC is like and how
dating is going out there it'snot going well.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, give us a little bit of a backstory.
So you grew up in.
Sonoma with Kyle.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
And then, how did you end up in DC?

Speaker 4 (08:41):
So I grew up in Sonoma.
I went to undergrad and gradschool all within a three-hour
radius of my hometown, and thenCOVID hit.
I did some of my grad schoolprogram online and then, once I
graduated and things were backto normal, I was like I have to
get out of Northern California.
I really wanted to check out DC.

(09:02):
It was kind of where my careerwas heading and where my field
is.
I work in global developmentand I had a lot of friends
moving out there as well andgetting jobs, so I moved out
there in 2022.
I didn't have a job yet.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Just by the seat of your pants.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
By the seat of my pants.
I thought I was going to, like,freaking, lose it and my
relationship with our parentswas gonna go down the drain if I
stayed at home any longer.
I got a job at lululemon and Iwas gonna do that.
And then that's my first day atlululemon I got you quit the
job.
That well yes but I also gotthe job offer for the job that I
currently have now so did youstay long enough to get a

(09:42):
discount?
yes, but I didn't actually buyanything.
They gave me like 60, though,even for like the three hour
training that I had.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
So that's all you did .

Speaker 4 (09:50):
That's all you were I told you it was the exact same
day hi I quit I felt really badyou don't put that on your
resume, do you no?
Oh, thank god but I mean, I didwork in retail.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
You didn't even make it to the floor.
No, I didn't just backstock, soanyway.
So you moved out there, you gotyour job and then were you like
immediately actively dating,like so, is this an ongoing saga
, or were you like taking timefor yourself and only recently
started dating?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
yeah, when I first moved there, I'm like I'm an
adult.
Now I'm a city girl.
I live alone in my first biggirl apartment.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I'm gonna like survey the land okay, you were 25 and
you're like I'm an adult I was24 actually, so I felt this was
like my first taste of adulthood.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
like there's no parents, I had my own money, I I
had my own home.
I got on Hinge and, like myfirst date with someone, I ended
up dating for like three months.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Who, the Italian?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
No, david.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
You can't say their names no.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
You can, if you want, give us the quality about him,
was it?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Big Dick David.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Oh, he was just really sweet, and then his mom
died, oh yeah, oh yeah.
So dead Mother David, oh youtwo Tell me about him I know I
really I really enjoyed Our timetogether, but I think he was A
little depresso.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, was it before Like his mom died and then you
all Started dating or during?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
It was before, but I think he had the residual
effects.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
So yeah, and you filled that hole in his heart.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I don't know If that was.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
And filled your hole.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
That's right, I know I really I honestly I thought it
was a great like first littleentrance into the dating world
as a dc city girl and you hadnever had a boyfriend before not
, really no did you call himyour boyfriend yeah, like did
you dtr, what's dtr?
Define the relationship oh yeah, we did I, I brought it up, I I

(11:42):
was like where is this going?
That was a huge, that was a bigdeal for me.
I don't think I said like hey,boyfriend, but I felt like it
was, it was exclusive.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Did you address him as bae A-bae-bae?

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Ba-bae-bae.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
A-bae-bae Gangsta's in the club.
No, no, no one knows.
Hey, baby hey, baby.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, my nickname in college was k bay, k bay bay
from that song.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Mom family used to call me kb baby whatever song he
was just singing hey baby, heybaby.
That's the name of the songyeah thanks is in the club
saying hey, baby bella back toyou in the studio oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
So actually during that time I was dating him
before we were like exclusive,like my feelings for him were
very like strong, and I rememberKyle telling me like you have
to date other people too, tolike not not over invest hyper
focus on him.
So I went on a couple days withsome other people and I even
went on a date with a girl forthe first time ever because I

(12:41):
wanted to explore that.
It was always something I waslike curious about.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
How'd that go?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
It was fine.
I honestly felt like I was justhanging out with a friend.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Honestly, that's how it should feel when you're going
on a date.
I was just telling Caleb thisthat my go-to recently has been
to take all the pressure off ofdating.
You have to think about thedate as just meeting up with a
friend to see if you you'regonna become best friends.
Is that why you fucked ourfriend?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
yeah, I mean same same mindset.
You can fuck your friends, it'sfine.
Oh, we have to digest on that.
But it can't be this topic,because you cuddled with him the
other day when I had nightterrors yeah okay back to you
yeah, so you dated this man forthree months.
How did it end?
Who ended it?
Was it emotional?
Was it a screaming match?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Honestly, this feels like this has been like over two
years now, so it feels kind oflike in the distance.
But I was kind of saying like Iwant more attention and your
time and he said he wasn't in aplace mentally to give that to
me.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Because his mom died.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, so she has high standards.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Who is he giving attention to?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
His dogs.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Himself.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't know you need to do that when you're going
through it, but now looking backon it, since I've matured two
years since that point like I'mhappy for what it was, but I
definitely realized that thetype of relationship that I want
wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, type of relationship that I want, wasn't
that?
Yeah, okay, so what?
How has dating been since then?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
the last two years, not good, so you downloaded
hinge, yeah I mean, I I'm one ofthe other gen zers that likes
to download, re-download.
Yeah, take a break.
Yeah, invest.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm currently in the re-download phase, but but you
had to take a break for a littlebit yeah I have a question is
it like, is hinge or tinder like?
Are some of them used like fora hookup, and then some of them
are used for dating kind of like.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, grinder is used for hookups mostly and I feel
like tinder originally was justa hookup, but now you have like
you can add, like what you'relooking for, and it can be like
a long-term relationship I justfeel, like I've had almost like
traumatic experiences on hingeand I'm like I don't want to do
that again, like I just can'twhat do you mean?
Traumatic.
Oh, I've been like ghostedseveral times huh, like were you

(14:56):
my man, I met on hinge.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Did you move off of the app messaging or was it?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
oh no, I dated someone for a month and then he
ghosted me.
Yeah, that was the italian guy.
He has small.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
These are the things that like we don't talk about on
the podcast as much, and likehow many times we get ghosted
before we have like a good storyto tell on the podcast.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, like that isabella says that she's jealous
of like our yeah, you gottagive me some bad yeah stories to
make me feel better.
I'm trying to think I don't ifI've I probably have been
ghosted before.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
But this last year I've just been the one.
That's kind of like okay, bye.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
You've been ghosting other people.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Not ghosting.
I said goodbye, okay.
Well, that's not ghosting.
Actually I didn't.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh, I didn't oh my.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
God, Well, so I don't follow up question with that.
So dating apps like, are youonly on Hinge?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'm only on Tinder.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now I can't re-download Hinge, so are you
only like a one at a time kindof girl?
Do you have multiple?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
The thing is I'm not even finding men that actually
would want to go on a date withor would even ask or even asking
me on a date.
So like it's not slim pickings,as Sabrina Carpenter would say,
yes.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Our friend Tristan.
She said this.
She was like when I, like allmen, I want to swipe, no one
because they give me the ick ondating apps.
But, like they really need tomake a great first impression.
For me to like even give themthe time of day.
Yeah.
Because someone electronicallylike saying hi, you can get
fucked.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, I need people to like put in the work a little
bit more.
I'm realizing and I'm likematching with like cute people,
but I can't do this like talkingback and forth and no one's
saying like let's grab a drink.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm like I just don't have time for that last night
someone was messaging me ongrinder and I know that grinder
is like a hookup app, but theywere like asking me what I was
into and I said take me on adate and find out yeah, that,
that's the type of energy that Iwant.
Well, he didn't respond andthen he was like oh, I hope that
we're into some of the samethings.

(16:50):
I was like I'm sure we are.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, we're both gay.
Yeah, and you know, I work fromhome most days.
I live alone.
I'm not really out in the worldenough to meet people,
naturally, which is ideally whatwould happen for me, and all
the people I work with are womenor gay?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
so it's like.
I saw this chart on social mediathe other day and it was like
the number of like percentage ofpeople that met their partner
through um, through like socialmedia or dating apps, like
digitally over time, and itstarts off as, like you know,
0.001 and it's mostly likefamily that's introducing you to

(17:34):
your partner, and then it'slike friends that are
introducing you to your partnersmore and then over time it's
you know, um, social media anduh, and apps and stuff become
more and more and now it's like75 or something crazy like that
none of my long-termrelationships have ever met on a
dating app yeah, none of myfriends that I have that are in

(17:55):
long-term relationships.
They did not meet on any datingapps it was either school work
or friends of friends yeah, acouple of my weddings that I've
gone to in the last couple yearsthey they have met on tinder.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh, tinder yeah I feel like I just, but then again
I think you have to have thelike.
It's what you're putting intothe tinder, correct?
Because, like, I don't take itas seriously as like dating, and
maybe that's on me.
But I have another question foryou do you have like an opening
line that you use, do you havelike a pickup line, or do you
have something that like you'remaybe like it if they say to you

(18:29):
like right off the bat, that'sa good question.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
I hate I can't do the whole.
Like hi, no, like I don't havean opening line.
I should work on that, but youknow it.
Really, I think Tinder comesdown to the algorithm and
they're designed to keep you onthere.
They don't want you to findsomeone isn't that crazy, like I
don't think people realize thatas much they want you to pay to
like, do the special likes andall that jazz.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's a business oh, but now I don't have an opening
line.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's called effort and I like to put effort into
yeah, I used a line um thatcaleb gave me yesterday on
grinder and I got a lot oflaughs and it was happy black
friday all clothing 100 off Itried using it and they went
right over that boy's head, ohyeah yeah, I also like the.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
What was the line you said happy thanksgiving.
I wish you were stuffing me.
I used that on one of myfriends yeah that I occasionally
hook up with and he did not getit.
He just sent me like, yeah, wedid make stuffing.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Here's a picture of our thanksgiving dinner wait, we
need to revisit this friend,because is this the same friend?
You licked his butthole?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
yeah, this is a bisexual man, I remember us
giggling about last night theonly man that we have to get
into this.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I remember us giggling about it last night.
This is the only man that Ihave consistently You're.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
FWB.
Give him a name, don't say hisactual name.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Bisexual man no.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I don't.
You can just call him Top,because he's the Top apparently.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Apparently he is the Top, as he has told me.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
So how'd you guys meet?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
In grad school.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Okay, and then like did he make a move or did you
make a move?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
like you just got drunk one night oh yeah, that
was like our first time hookingup hooking up was in grad school
okay, and then?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
so why do we call him bisexual man, like how did?

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I always thought he was gay when I first met him so
what did you?
Like I just thought he was agay man and that's why we always
hung out and I think sometimesmen present as more feminine, so
they can befriend femalefriends.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Without being a threat.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Without being a threat, which I think is what he
did.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, it worked and it worked, and then I was like
wait a minute, I like vagina.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Come here.
So what the bait vagina?
Come here, so, but what thebait and switch?
What came up?
In the storyline that you werelike, oh confirmed he is
bisexual because he mentionedthat he had been with men oh
okay, that's prettystraightforward, but only as a
top yeah but then, whenever youlicked his butthole, wasn't it
like hairless?

(21:01):
It was actually very clean andsmooth.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I it wasn't an unenjoyable experience and
that's a top.
I don't know how this workscaleb yeah, what's your take?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
you think, I think he no, I think he like if he,
especially if he's having youlick his booty hole, which is
one of my favorite pastimesactually I think I offered you
didn't offer no, I did offerlike how does that come up?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
I don't know.
Okay, it was a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, so like give me more insight.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I was feeling sexually adventurous at the time
.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But remember what I told you last night?
Or I asked you.
I was like, did it kind of makeyou feel powerful?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, because he really liked it.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Licking a straight man's butthole Like I feel like
that would be.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
He really liked it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
So you're good at it.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Apparently.
I mean, how hard is it.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Men can do it.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Women can do it better.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's not that hard, but for some people I think it
is very difficult to get pastthe mental block of it all.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
See your wiry mustache would make it
uncomfortable for me, likepeople with mustaches People are
begging me to beat their asswith my mustache.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Why so you can like exfoliate around it.
I call it a Dick Van Dykebecause you know, the chimney
sweep from Mary Poppins wasplayed by Dick Van Dyke.
When someone eats your buttholewith a mustache, it's called a
Dick Van Dyke.
You should get like a soulpatch no.
So you can clean it on bothsides.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, dad has a soul patch.
Yeah, I know, no, anyway, okay,caleb.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Anyway.
So you think it's us that thisman had a clean Trimmed, trimmed
butthole and he's eitherstraight or bisexual, and if
he's bisexual, you don't thinkthat he's a top?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
No, and I don't even think that he's straight.
I don't even think that he'sstraight?
I don't think he's straight, sohe's been with men confirmed.
He said those words.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
He did tell me that, yes.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
And only in a topping scenario.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, that's what he said.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
So did you ask him if he's bisexual?

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I did, and he said I think it was more of like an
adventurous thing that he did.
I don't know, but we were likehanging out as friends and he
was like on the apps it was allwomen that he was looking at,
like he wasn't seeking out arelationship with a man or
anything I have a hot that's hot, that means he's dl no that's

(23:12):
not what that means I don'tthink he ever dated a man right
maybe he has shame.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is what I love about like gen z and like
younger is like they don't haveto put like a label on their
sexuality just because they likehave hooked up with the same
sex or the opposite sex orwhatever.
They're just like go with theflow.
They're just like whateverhappens happens.
He probably sees himself aslike a straight person, being

(23:38):
that like he wants to eventuallylike end up with a woman and
like have a family, right, butthat doesn't mean you have to
put a label as bisexual.
That's fair, I wish more guyswere like that honestly.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I am one that appreciates labels.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I do think everyone's a little bit gay.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's a spectrum, I don't know though.
In the right conditions.
I've kissed women, but I'venever gone down yonder, are you
a little bit straight, a littlebit yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Not much.
In what way?
Well, I'm going to have a babywith a woman.
Are you going to do it?
The old-fashioned way.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
No, oh my God, you lose your straight virginity
just to make a baby.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, God, no, they're going to do it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, they can't, because it's going to be so
expensive.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's going to be illegal soon.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, it's going to be so expensive so just fuck her
like the old fashioned way.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Gently, we'll get a turkey baster.
Fuck her gently.
I don't think she likes it,gentle.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
We need to have a follow up with her on the pod
because I need to.
Okay, wait, that's a goodquestion If you're having sex
with a preference on where it'sgoing.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Well, if he has a condom on, he can finish inside.
What?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
do you mean, if, oh my God, you're going to get
pregnant, you're going to die?

Speaker 4 (24:59):
I'm on birth control.
It's okay.
No like if someone like mybisexual friend, we don't use
condoms.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Wait, wait wait but and we don't use wait, wait so,
but should you, should she be onprep?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
if she's, if she's fucking a bisexual man, I don't
think he's with if you're havingunprotected sex, you should
probably be on prep.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, regardless if it's dick vag.
I think so because the idea ofyou like not having labels and
people are just out there doingwhatever.
How can you?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
it's like straight people don't get tested for hiv,
so you never even know you do,yeah, yeah, we do, I got an hiv
test.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Oh, thank god general std panel last year oh good,
last year well, I'm gonna getanother one this year.
It's an annual thing, right?
No well well depends on howfrequently you're sexing.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I honestly also , when's the last time you used
a condom?
Once every six months I gotgonorrhea someone used a condom.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
He gave me rug burn back yonder because the condom
was too big and somehow I gotsuper gonorrhea like so he got
treated for it.
It came back well, it neverwent away I never went away.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Second round of treatment well, the last man
that I slept with, I'm justgonna call him persian man yeah,
like a kitten meow.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
He was hairy like a kitten oh so you didn't like his
butt?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
no, he had a hairy, not like my bisexual friend.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
She goes, gets like hair clips to pin it back so she
can yeah, I did eat out a guy'sbutthole that had a lot of hair
down there and I got in therethrough the bush and there's
like a piece of rolled up toiletpaper stuck in it.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Kyle that is icky, I know.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Okay, Persian.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
But this man was like oh, I don't want to use a
condom, something like that, andI even went to the corner store
and bought condoms and I had tolike ask my girl like to get
them behind the counter.
Wasn't it like CVS?
And I was like I literally justembarrassed myself buying these
condoms we're using the condoms, yeah and I was like really
annoyed because, like I didn'tknow this man that well, we had

(26:57):
gone out like once before I was,like you, seriously trying to
yeah, like persuade, youpersuade me not to ew he's like
just for like a little bit

Speaker 1 (27:05):
no way no way, I was like that is dating right now ew
I hate that I hated it so muchlet me just put the head in
without a condom.
Ew, yeah, you can get out.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
No, like that, just like I'm like I'm never doing
this again, I just like hate itwhen you're like with someone
and you're trying to like hold aboundary with them and they
have no regard for what yourboundary is, and they, they're
like oh, let me try to convinceyou otherwise, like, that's a,
like a huge turnoff.
To me, that's a straight world.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, and I think that's kind of like what hookup
culture is now for hetero singleladies is like.
I was telling you thisyesterday, kyle, like I don't
think it's like a guarantee thatI hook up with someone.
It's going to be fun or good,like with this man.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was just like you know, I just need some attention
right and it went south veryquickly.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, I was like this isn't good like, why am I doing
this?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
you think it's because, like, you're just there
to get your rocks off and youhope you know that they're gonna
get your rocks off, and they'rejust there to get their rocks
off, and so you're like it onlyreally works if you both want
the same thing.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, I did not get my rocks off this man said that
my father was in the mafia aspillow talk.
What After?
When we were just like layingthere and I, like you know, like
some cuddles and stuff.
Yeah.
But I don't know how it came up.
He was asking about my dad,because he has the same watch as
my dad.
Oh, he was asking about my dadbecause he has the same watch as

(28:31):
my dad oh yeah, the greensamaritan rolex.
And I was like oh, I like yourrolex.
My dad has the same one.
And he's like oh my gosh, youknow that this is a rolex.
I can't believe it.
No girl has ever said thatbefore.
I was like okay, like I knowit's a rolex.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
My dad has the same one.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
It literally says rolex on the watch, yeah, yeah
and then he kept asking somequestions about our dad and I
was like and he's like what doesyour dad do?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I was like, okay, no one knows what their dad does my
dad's a cop okay, well that's ageneric job I have three dads,
so don't ask me what they do.
Yeah yeah, one of his dads islike a sports car broker so one
of his dads, one of your dads,oh okay, yeah, is a who's also
my dad.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, is a sports car broker, as I of his dads, one
of your dads, oh okay, yeah is awho's also my dad.
Yeah, is a sports car broker,as I like to call it.
So we always had like coolsports cars yeah coming in and
out.
Of our house growing up I waslike, oh yeah, he like has some
sports cars, and I actually hada photo on my phone because my
dad had just texted me and me infront of a 4gt yeah when I was
like in high school and I took aphoto of it, I was like, oh

(29:29):
yeah, this is a car that hedealt and he's like.
That's a Ford GT.
Your dad's a Don.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
A Don Do you know?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
what a Don is.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
No.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I just learned this because he was very patronizing
about what that was.
Ok.
Apparently it's like a mafialeader, or Director of.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
okay, apparently it's like a mafia leader or director
of, like a hustler, like hecouldn't just be successful.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
But what does dawn stand for?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I don't think no, it's like, is it like don and
don't, yeah like don and donia.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
It's like leader, like yeah, like a pimp almost.
He's like you can't just buy a4gt, doesn't matter how much
money you have.
I was like okay and then he'slike and then throughout the
entire duration of our eveningtogether.
He's like and then throughoutthe entire duration of our
evening together.
He's like sweetheart, yourdad's a don.
I was like what the fuck doesthat mean?
I'd be like get the fuck out ofmy house yeah, and this went on

(30:18):
for like 10 minutes of himexplaining the fact that, like
you can't just buy cars likethis you can.
When you're a broker, that'swhat you do, and I try and
explain that to him but weird itwas weird, so I'm like that's
what I'm dealing with in thedating world.
Right now, I can't just havegood sex no, it's strings

(30:40):
attached should we?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
we should make profiles for as women on tinder
and just to see?
Yeah, because I think that Iwould get the biggest ick
immediately with most of thesemen probably, but also you'd
probably like run your mouth onmost of them.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I would yeah I'd get yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
And then they find out that I'm a boy and they just
want to beat my ass because Ican't defend myself.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
So I'll get on there you go to the gym to prepare to
defend me.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I probably would run my mouth.
Yeah, like you think you canjust talk to me like that you
got a small dick anyway.
Oh, that's sad, that's okayokay, but I want to go back to
you're talking about pillow talkoh, yeah is that like a post or
pre-sex Post?
Yeah, I thought pillow talk waslike.
While you're siding.

(31:31):
No, it's post.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I mean, I guess you could do a little.
The Rolex conversation wasbefore and then the sweetheart,
your dad's a don, was after.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I don't know if I've ever talked about Rolexes in bed
.
That makes sense.
It was a first for me too.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Fuck off, I've got to wear his Rolex and I sent a
picture of it to you, kyle.
I was like, look, it's the samewatch as dad.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, I know, and I was like green screen Samariter.
It is a very rare one.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I don't know these types of things though.
Yeah.
I don't think Rolexes are likethe nicest of the washeds.
It's not a Patek Philippe, isthat it?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I don't know how did we get on the conversation last
night of family trauma, daddyissues.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Oh, I asked you if you had any family trauma.
No, you literally roll over tome.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's like, so you don't like your brother.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
I know that because I listened to the pod.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
And I was just like what?
That's not the only thing yourolled over and said to me over
the last couple of days.
You were like, do you want toexchange compliments?
And you're like, what's yourbiggest insecurity?
I was like, isabella, you can'tjust point blank ask for
connection.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I feel very close to Caleb though.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I mean also we need to acknowledge it was our one
year of being friends.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
It is our one year of being friends, so I do feel
much closer this trip.
I agree, and also we're thesame age.
So I think, we have verysimilar generational
similarities.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
We just get each other, kyle, and I'm sorry
you're jealous of that.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Without Isabella, you and I wouldn't have like a
stronger relationship as we do.
I think really yeah, becauseisabella is the one who, like I
mean I grew up watching bluesclues with you and like all the
disney channel movies that yougrew up watching, I mean I like
I feel like it made me youngerbecause I have a younger sister,
I also appreciate you becauseyou're also like high energy,
slightly manic, like I am, and Ithink that you've trained him
to tolerate me.
Absolutely Tolerate is theright word.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, I'm going to tell you this, Don't take any
offense.
When we were on the way to theairport, I said Kyle, what are
you holding space for right now?
He said patience.
Well, yeah, because with youhere and me here, both just
manic as fuck and like that poorman and he didn't even get
overstimulated or like pissedoff one time.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I got overstimulated.
Like the shrooms helped.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
The multivitamins, the supplements, the joint
supplements.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
The Flintstone gummies yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yes, so I appreciate that you're wild and manic
because you trained him totolerate me more Of course.
And he's just like, that's justcaleb and that's okay.
Thank you for sharing thatemotion.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Me just like being bipolar as fuck and like being
manic and he's like both of youon the couch.
Last night was quite wild towatch like you're watching your
dick hand.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Oh my god, you can't say that.
And then she put her hand onher butt and I was like, touch
her hand, no.
And you're like I don't mind.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
You know, I spend like 80% of my week alone,
that's sad.
I know.
Well, not really because I'm anintrovert.
So when I do get to hang outwith people that I feel safe
with and it's fun.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
She goes buck wild.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
I think I'm a little more manic than the other 80% of
the time Wait what was your hottake last night?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Every hand that you've touched has had a dick in
it.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
That's so true.
I stand by that, yeah.
You know, Unless you're like alesbian who has never interacted
with a man at all.
Yeah.
Every hand that you havetouched has had a penis in it at
one point.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Wait, I would love to know the statistics behind that
.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
That's not an original thought of mine.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I heard that well, you did tell me that yeah, it's
not an original thought and Iwas like hee-hawing and you're
like what's so funny?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
it's not my own thought yeah, I'm realizing as I
get older that I have very feworiginal thoughts.
Yeah, I'm a little basic thatway.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I have a lot of original thoughts, but they just
I don't share them, yeah,because they'd probably put me
in a psych ward.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
If you share them, then you realize wait, someone
else has thought that too.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, I'm a real.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Wait back to me asking you about your trauma.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yes, and I just was like Isabella.
And then, whenever you werelike you can't just ask someone
that I was like, you can't justask someone that I was like- why
can't she?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
No, we were in a safe space.
I was holding space for you,yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
You created the space to hold?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, but then you asked me the same question.
I'm like I don't know.
I think I'm pretty complete.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Because I think I asked you about like daddy
issues.
And you're like actually no, Iwas really raised in a loving
household.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Well, I am very attracted to David Mirror, the
ABC newscaster, and he's like 50plus, so maybe I do have
something going on?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
No because.
Then, kyle, what did youdiscover?
What?
She doesn't have daddy issues,she just has familial, familial
shame.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Oh yeah.
Oh my gosh, because you don'tknow how to define your parents
relationship I don't know how todefine my parents relationship,
and that is some baggage I'vebeen carrying like it's crazy to
me because like why don't youjust ask them if they're
together?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
but I don't think we need to give the audience a
little backstory on what ourfamily's relationship is yes, I
call it a blended family ablended family.
Yeah, what does that mean?
A blender family?

Speaker 4 (36:45):
means we're not like cookie cutter wife, husband, two
and a half kids.
White picket fence.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, and honestly I feel like that's so normal now
but I don't think it was asnormal for me growing up as it
is for you and will be forfuture generations.
But like, basically we grew upwith a mom and dad that were
like in an open relationship.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, as I'm getting older, I'm realizing that is
what it is.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
And no one really explained that to me.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, and I don't think that like our parents
really had the words for thatgrowing up.
No, it was just and, like youknow, their friends didn't
understand and they lost friendsover it.
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Weren't you raised Mormon, so that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, but they're not Mormon.
And my mom, her dad and my momOur mom's not Mormon anymore
either.
Yeah, are not Mormon, no.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
And the people they hung out with.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
It wasn't a polygamy thing.
No, no.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I think in Sister.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Wives, it was more of a modern.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
That just wasn't a thing, and I remember being
bullied for it at presentationat my middle school and now.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Wait, how?
What is presentation?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
That was the name of my middle school.
It was a very hoity-toityprivate Catholic school that I
went to and all the kids who Iwent to school with their
families owned wineries.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Rich, rich.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Richie rich.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Were you and all your siblings born out of wedlock.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Except for Jared.
Oh, rich, rich, richy, richwere you and all your siblings
born out of wedlock except forjared.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Oh, someone did say that to me as like an insult.
Like you were born out ofwedlock.
I'm like what does that mean?
Oh, my god, my college.
If you got pregnant out ofwedlock, they could kick you out
of the school yeah, and theycould kick you out for being gay
.
There's a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
after mom told me, um , that I was born out of wedlock
, I went to kindergarten and Itold everyone that I was born
out of wedlock.
I went to kindergarten and Itold everyone that I was born
out of wedlock and then myteacher was, like we need to
talk to your mom after school.
I don't think you know whatthis means and it was like such
a bad thing.
Now it's like literallyeveryone is born out of wedlock.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
I remember I also told my classmates once that I
was conceived on Valentine's Day, without understanding what
that means.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Were you actually Apparently About what conceived
means?

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah Well, apparently anyone kind of no you were
conceived on Cinco de Mayo.
I don't know.
But if you're born in earlyNovember.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Usually you're at your reception days.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah, you're right, you know we'll have to do this
activity where you can go backto your reception.
What is the word?
Go back to your reception?

Speaker 4 (39:08):
reception what is the word?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
conception, conception date?
I'm pretty sure it isvalentine's day, that's what my
mom said, but that's I don'tthink that's something I need to
know honestly no, I think youshould, because then you can
celebrate when your parents hadsex to make you yeah, and I
think it should be celebrated ohsure, I don't really celebrate
much else on valentine's daythese days.
I have a post that comes up onmy facebook every once in a

(39:29):
while, because I was in, uh, obclass in nursing school and we
had to figure out our date ofconception and, like the day we
were figuring it out, it waslike my conception date was the
day before.
So, like good math, yeah, wewould.
And so I posted it on facebookand I was like, in ob class,
figured out my day of conceptionwas yesterday.

(39:49):
I will be taking gifts orsomething.
And my mom she was like whatthe fuck?
And I was like yes, are youhere to say happy conception day
.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Did she confirm that?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
that was the date, so it's that accurate well, like
it gives you like a week span,because it's like your due date

Speaker 4 (40:07):
and then you do literally just nine months
before that yeah okay yeah, butno one's actually no one's
actually born on their due dateI know, but like the due date
itself, oh, gives you the dateof conception.
Yeah, okay, okay yeah, well,back to our family trauma yeah,
I guess I am a littletraumatized, but all good
intention.

(40:28):
Like our mom and my, a third ofyour dads are not the fraction.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
They're lovely.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
And I had a lovely childhood.
Yeah, so I didn't.
We didn't all live together.
I was telling Kyle this theother day, like how me, my mom
and my two brothers lived in atwo-bedroom condo and I slept in
my mom's bed like we shared aroom for most of my youth and

(40:57):
you and jared's shared a bed.
I was like we grew up poor andso that's why I was like no, my
dad's not in the mafia, becauseI think if he was, we wouldn't
be living in a condo and sharinga bed with my mom.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like you don't know me to be able to bridge the two
topics that we're talking aboutbetween sex and dating, and,
like family trauma yeah, how doyou think that your family
dynamic impacts your dating orlike?
Your I don't know like yourhang-ups when it comes to dating
that's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I always think that, because of my family's dynamic,
like no one's ever gonna likecommit to me and like, want to
like, marry and like marry meand like have a generic family
with me, like married, kids,house.
I'm like maybe that's just notin the cards for me because I
never had that, so I don'treally know what that looks like

(41:47):
or what that type of likeloyalty and like stereotypical
yeah modern day American familytype of commitment looks like do
you think you'd be happy withthat dynamic?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
don't know, because you've never experienced.
I've never experienced it andI've never been in a long-term
relationship, I've never livedwith a significant other like
I'm kind of used to just goingwith the flow with those types
of things, because it'sinteresting because I think that
most of the time people try torecreate their parents
relationship with their own butthen it seems like you're kind
of like almost interested inwhat they didn't have, like the

(42:23):
commitment, the cookiecutterness yeah, do you think?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
that's true.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
I don't know, I feel like in this current day society
, I don't know how realistic itis of like it doesn't have to be
realistic, but is it somethingyou want?
I think if it was the rightperson who showed up for me and
wanted that, then I would wantit too.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
That's a shit answer.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Okay, what do?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
you want.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I want commitment and a partner and like cookie
cutter.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
I don't even know it doesn't have to be cookie cutter
, because I don't even know if Iwant kids.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Yeah, but I want a partnership.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
That's like, feels like a partnership would you be
open, an open marriage no likeour our parents, like they
describe themselves as like bestfriends.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
They are best friends I truly do believe that they're
best friends.
They're literally in mexico aswe speak right now, having the
time in puerto vallarta withtheir richie.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Rich friends like they're great yeah having the
best time, but dad texted me andsaid do you want anything from
pu Puerto Vallarta?
There's a bunch of gay shithere.
And I was like, yeah, it'sPuerto Vallarta Phentromene.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Adderall, yeah, yavapentin Descovy.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Descovy?
No, I just said a rich man witha vacation house in Puerto
Vallarta.
And he said well, hopefully agay rich man.
I was like, yeah, because it'sPuerto Vallarta Everyone there's
gay.
Yeah, because it's PuertoVallarta, everyone there's gay,
oh my god, you should have seen.
Aditi was there like oh my god,go meet my mom, you would love
her.
I know, oh my god, I know she'snot there right now.
Um.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I have a question for you, okay what's it like being
a sister to a gay brother?
Because I want to ask my sisterthis.
I need to ask her that like.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I remember when Kyle came out to me whoa.
I remember we were in Malibu,we were visiting you at pepper
dime and like your like collegeapartment that you had yeah in
calabasas calabasas.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
What the fuck yeah, oh, we grew up poor fuck off
next to kardashians?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
I don't know, and I remember you were like we were
like going somewhere and you'relike, oh, drive with me, just
the two of us.
And I was like, wow, this is abig deal.
Kyle wants to like drive in thecar with me he wants to hang
out and I think he was verycasual.
He's like you know, I'm gay,right, and I was like, yeah,
okay, I was like I think Iremember saying like, yeah, you
always had a lot of like femalefriends growing up, like there

(44:42):
was never any like guys around,so I was like, but I also I
don't know why, but I rememberlike crying to mom about it-
afterwards because I was justconfused and I didn't really
know what it meant at the time,like how?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
how old were you?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
like 12 11 or 12 yeah and I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I think it was just like a lot to take in and I
don't really think I knew whatit meant you would have been
nine.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
If you're 27, he's 36 .
You would have been nine.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
All right, I was nine or ten, probably like 10, but I
don't, I don't even rememberthat I guess it was significant
enough for me to remember it,because that.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
But that is hard because also it just added
another layer to your family.
Isn't quote-unquote normal?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
yeah, probably yeah, and our other brother, jared,
also has his own struggles.
That makes him quote unquotenot normal so yeah, I think it
does add another layer of ourfamily's, just different yeah
but I think, as time goes on,kyle and I have never been
closer.
He is like my big sister.

(45:43):
I can ask him?
And tell him anything like Iliterally sent hole I literally
sent him the dick pic that I gotthe other week ago.
I was like, how big do youthink this is?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
you're 10 years old.
You would be so happy to knowthis is your future no, like I
could tell him anything.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
And I don't know if that's because he's gay that I
feel that way, but I think maybea little bit honestly, if you
had a wife right now or somewoman.
I probably don't think I wouldbe asking you all these
questions about sex and dating.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
He doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, I'd probably try to be friends with your
girlfriend or something, but Ithink in the end it works out
for the best.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Were you ever whenever you found out that he
was gay?
Obviously you were a child, buthave you ever been worried or
afraid of his life for him beinggay?
Like different dynamics likewhether it be oh, I wouldn't
want people to make fun of you,or I wouldn't want you to be
unsafe, or like men mistreat you, or like any of those thoughts.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Maybe as I got, got like a little older and I knew
you were like out in the world.
Whoring it up like I probablythought about it a little bit
more, but I feel like kylealways had a good head on his
shoulders and he always set thestandard for the rave review.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, do you think that kyle sets a high standard
for when you're dating men?
Do you think that okay?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
because you don't think about me when you're
dating other guys.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
That's good well, I think about like the type of man
that I would want to be with,and I think you express a
certain level of like, care andlove to your family and I would
want someone in our family ifsomeone was going to join our
family, a partner of mine tohave those same qualities and to
like get along with mom and dadand you and Jared yeah, that's

(47:31):
definitely a standard.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, I think about it because my sister would
always come to me about the boysshe was dating and I would be
so was critical of them, and soI she knew that she had to like
I would.
If she was ashamed or likeafraid to tell me about it, then
it was probably not going towork out yeah and so that's what
I meant by like setting a highstandard.
Yeah, like, do you think like ifyou came to him about a boy, he

(47:55):
would be like isabella, youdeserve fucking better than that
get rid of him.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
He totally would, and I do do that, so you do do that
.
Yeah, you would hold her to ahigh standard.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
That's probably yeah, you would hold her to a high
standard.
That's probably the betterframing of it.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
You would hold me to a high standard and I also know
I would never bring home a shitman.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Are there any cons of having a gay brother?

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Hmm.
I don't think I've thoughtabout that honestly.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
On the spot.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like I don't want you to die from AIDS.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, that doesn't really happen anymore to die
from AIDS.
No, that doesn't really happenanymore.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Yeah, but like at one point that could have been a
thought, or like be a victim ofa hate crime.
That does happen.
I mean he does?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
he did live in California, so like probably the
safest place.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Yeah, but like who knows, you guys go to the clubs
and In the club.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
We're all fans.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Who knows, one of these days there could be some
whack job that shoots up a clubthat you're going to Like.
I've thought about that Likebulls.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Or even just like the idea of, like you know, trump
going back into office, likethere's a lot of things that
could happen in this world thatwould negatively impact gay men
and so, as a sibling, I feellike there could be some worry
there.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I definitely consider myself an ally and I want to do
whatever I can societally tosupport you and your ability to
be who you want to be.
That's very important to me.
Especially, I've become reallygood friends with the gays at my
job and I'm just surrounded bymore gay men lately, and I'm

(49:18):
here for it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Holler to the gay co-workers.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yes, we love you we love them.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I think that if I was a female, that I think the best
relationship you could havewould be having a gay brother.
You think?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Well, I mean, you're not going to toot my own horn,
but I think it's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I don't necessarily want to have you as a brother
but I'd just be like hey, gayhave you as a brother, but I
just meant like a gay man as abrother.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
I mean Kyle and I honestly I don't think became
close until I like graduatedfrom college.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Really, until you turned like 21, basically.
And then we could drinktogether and have fun.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, but honestly now, I wouldn't trade a
relationship for anything Likeit's the best yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
But is it fun to kind of like because my sister and I
do this often like talk aboutshit that happened, like before
you guys were adults and likereflect and be, like wow, that's
really fucked up.
We're like oh, do you rememberthis happening?
oh, totally, when we reflectedon like oh shit, we grew up kind
of poor yeah I didn't realizethat until somewhat recently
well, especially with your agegap, I think like it can give a
lot of perspective of like whatwas so normal to you, You're
like.
No, like that's not.

(50:26):
We were kind of poor and you'relike what?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, mom did a great job at hiding that.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, she really never made us feel like we were
missing out on anything.
Not at all.
Yeah, and you've talked aboutthat before yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Like whenever, like if you were to ask for something
you know that she would pick upan extra shift or something to
make it happen, which I have tomeet this woman First off, that
waistline of hers.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Oh my God, she's like a slaying in Puerto Vallarta
right now.
Yes, she is.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And I loved seeing the videos of her dancing.
Shout out to her.
Yeah.
I have to meet this woman.
We love you, Mom.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Especially she-.
She got a little tipsy and shemay or may not have got roofied.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So she says what was the Instagram post?
Roofing myself.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Oh, yeah, roofing myself so.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I know that someone else did do it or something.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Oh to like.
Grow tolerance.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Oh yeah To grow tolerance First night of roofing
myself to start the toleranceor something I don't know.
Yeah, should we do a victory invice?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
How far are we into recording?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Like 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Oh no, You're going to have to edit some stuff out.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, Well, yeah but there's going to be six victory
advice.
Oh no, we're an hour in.
Oh then, yeah, we should get toit.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Okay.
What were you going to say?
Oh, if there was anything elseon our list, do you?
Are there any questions thatyou want to ask?
I think that you could use thisfor one ask like dating advice
from people who have been dating.
But like I don't know, I feellike gay men have great advice
for when it comes to womendating.
Maybe that could probably notcorrect, I don't know that.

(51:55):
Or do you have questions aboutthe gay world?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
well, something that I have been thinking about
lately is I expressed this,expressed this to kyle earlier
that like I am kind of jealousof your dating life and your
dating culture because I thinkit's a more of a guarantee that
you can go out into the worldand on the apps and have a
guaranteed good night and havegood sex and like have an orgasm

(52:18):
.
But for hetero single women whosometimes just want some sex's,
just not a guarantee anymoreand I don't know.
I feel like I was kind ofenvious of you.
Sometimes when I'm listening tothe pod I was like damn wait,
why can't I just have?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
a fun night why, can't it just be that easy, and
I'm wondering if, like, that'sjust because you're gay and you
both have dicks um, but it'sinteresting you say that because
if we wanted to have sex like,I would say, 100% confident, we
could each time that we wantedto yeah because like, depending
on like, if there's, we mighthave to lower our standards.

(52:54):
But like if we really wanted tohave sex like there's like a
100% guaranteed outcome reallybecause it's just like.
Are you gonna one lower yourstandards?
Are you gonna put in the effort?
Are you going to like, insteadof it's just like?
Are you going to one lower yourstandards?
Are you going to put in theeffort?
Are you going to like, insteadof it's not like?
Coincidence, like I think thatyours would have to be like the
stars would have to align in alot of ways for you to have the
sex, um, but I also don't thinkthat it would be good sex like

(53:16):
yeah, we could have sex whenever, yeah, whenever well, that's a
good point of view.
Like I know that, like it seemsmaybe more glamorous or like in
your eyes, but then there's alot of downsides to being gay,
because then it's like thecourse.
It's a similar of like tryingto find someone to date yeah,
when they only want sex.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
You know where my mind always goes is like what if
I hook up with someone that I'mlike not into at all, but just
because I'm really horny?
And then they're like a stagefive clinger and I'm like you
know what?
I'll just masturbate.
It's like so much easier.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I always say sex is like a piece of cake it tastes
good during it, but thenafterwards what do you get from
it?

Speaker 4 (53:54):
gonorrhea, honestly, I think for women that's just
not the case like you're reallygonorrhea that you can't just
get.
I can't just get good sexwhenever I want.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
That's so fair, but do you think it's because you're
looking for connection in sextoo?

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Yes, but also just mechanics.
I don't think men know whatthey're doing, so when?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
when are you going to start asking for what you want
in the bedroom?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
You know, that's what I mean.
I have had the best sex whensomeone I'm dating and I can
like have a relationship withand we can talk about it.
I think that's really sexy whena man asks me what I like and
what I don't like.
But I need to like find someoneI actually would want to date
and it's limp pickens, it's.
I don't think there's a lot ofhigh quality men out there.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That's also where like friends with benefits comes
in.
And honestly, like you got tohave a friends with benefit on
the roster for those times whenyou just like, want to have sex,
even if they're bisexual, evenif they're bisexual or, you know
, bottoms.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Would you?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
ever peg someone.
Like with the dildo, yeah,strap on.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I think those are the types of things where if I have
really comfortable if I have along-term partner, I want to
experience everything with themsexually because I trust them
and I love them and I know wecould explore that like that's
what's really appealing to meabout being in a long-term
relationship it's like there's asafe space to explore the whole
, your whole like sexualspectrum, really great sex.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
But I think that you and I've talked about that's a
hot.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Take um bottom boy out there um isabel wants to peg
you please let her because shecan come back on the podcast and
report back to us.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, but we've talked about this before of
friends with benefits or inrelationships like having that I
don't know security or safety,or you just feel comfortable
enough to explore.
And I do miss that because,honestly, my last relationship
started I was just sex and itwas so fun because I got to try

(55:56):
anything that came to mind andorder any inanimate objects that
I wanted or like, just so thereis Things that are very, very,
very beneficial and just likefriends with benefits, because
then you can just be besties whohave sex.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
The like last episode , one of my pieces of advice was
that like sex can betransformational, not just
transactional, and I feel likethe the nice thing about Grindr
and like hookup apps is thatwhatever is like in your mind in
that moment, you can just tellthat, to tell it to someone, and
then you can like probably makethat happen.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, you can be as specific as you want, exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
But it's also like that's a transaction.
You're like I'm looking forthis very specific thing right
now, like you know, I'm lookingfor someone to paint themselves
green.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah.
And when they come.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I honestly think you should start doing that, because
you're the only one who, Ithink, can sing it somewhat in
key.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, so you need to top a Galinda so you can be
Elphaba.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Okay, yeah, but yeah.
So I think that there's more tothe transformational part of
sex, which is better when youcan like in the moment, just
like express yourself creatively, you know, in the bedroom, and
that's the transfer.
Like I didn't even know that,oh, I had that part of me in me,

(57:20):
or that desire in me, me in me,or that desire in me or like
you get to learn something newabout yourself and about your
partner when you're doing it.
In the moment, versus I havethis fantasy and I'm gonna like
find someone on an app thatwants to do that with me.
That seems more of atransaction and it can be great,
you know, if it works out, butI think there's.

(57:40):
I don't.
There's something magical tosex when it happens, like you
know, naturally.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Yeah, yeah.
But when I try to have sexnaturally with men I find on the
internet they accuse me that mydad's in the mafia.
They don't want to use a condom.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
They have hairy asses , like it's just not working
these days.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Yeah, okay, and it takes energy to keep going days
yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Okay, it takes energy to keep going.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, I'm sure there's somegems out there.
I'm sure there are.
Take my advice and don't focusall your energy on one person
Yep, I learned that and keep aroster of friends with benefits,
and then, when the brightperson comes along, you won't

(58:28):
suffocate them and you won't puttoo much pressure on their
relationship and it willnaturally become what it's
supposed to be.
Amen.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Well, I need you both to stay single, because I want
my dream of MTV dating shows tocome back and I want there to be
like whether it's you go ondates with gay man and you pick
the one that he actually goes ona date with, or vice versa like
you go on dates with straightmen and you're like, yes, you
can go on a date with my sisterit'll be like milf manor, but

(58:57):
like sister and brother.
Yeah and I wanted, like it needsto be, a gay man and a straight
sister with bisexual men as oh,oh, my god, you're competing
for the miss Wait that's fuckinggold.
Oh my god, that's gold.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Ask your bisexual guy .

Speaker 1 (59:12):
What's so fun, though , is what I think would actually
end up happening is all thebisexual men are just in the
rooms by themselves because thesiblings are like debriefing
every night in the bed andthey're drinking water water,
they're just tickled can youbelieve he tried this in?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
the bedroom.
What we would be so good at thedebrief, but I want Kyle and I
to go on the amazing race.
I think we would be really goodat that.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I think you would have to carry a lot of weight we
should apply okay not that wayjust because, like he, I feel
like he'd be very level-headed.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Isabella is a very well like world worldly traveler
.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yes, I don't mean that insultingly, but I just
feel like, but the physical wayyou love a side quest, I don't
know like that's the vibe that Iget.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
She has been working on her biceps, but god and her
ass.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Wait, you're getting a tramp stamp I honestly no,
you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I don't know I kind of like just listen to me, I
like I have temporary tattootramp stamps upstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Do we get to put one on you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
How did you just realize this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I don't know, it just came to me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I actually like the placement you were talking about
yesterday of like upper thigh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I like that idea.
Oh, the back of the thigh yeahlike have a something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's, but not right in the middle, in the back.
No See me being a bottom.
I feel like I have the brain ofa straight woman sometimes when
it comes to what I want from aman that makes sense.
And here recently I've reallybeen into kind of hunky men
wearing I can't share this onthe internet wearing a skirt or
something.
Would you ever let a man like alittle schoolgirl skirt have
sex with you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
I think this is also something that when I'm with a
partner.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So it's not a no, it's a maybe with the right
person.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
I'm not going to say no to anything, I think, the
right person for me.
We could do it all and have funexploring that, because that's
what I would expect from apartner.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
So it's not a no Love that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
It's not a no.
I'm not going to say no toanything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, okay, victory and vice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Okay, I'll start with my vice, not our guest, okay,
oh yeah.
Well, it's about Isabella.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
The vices, my vice, yeah, oh, okay.
Okay, this one time, isabellaand I took a trip to Tulum and
we had a drive from CancunAirport like two hours or
something, and on the freewaythere are these huge speed bumps
.
And they're not just speedbumps, they're huge mounds, and

(01:01:39):
usually there's these littleindicators on the road that
you're getting closer to one.
So you're supposed to likestart slowing down, but I'm
going like 100 kilometers perhour and I hit one of these
speed hump mounds going thatfast, and the car goes flying
into the air and, um, isabellais in the back seat and she goes

(01:02:01):
flying into the air as well,because she gets a full like
whiplash of it all.
And she turns to me afterwardsafter I'm like, is everyone okay
?
She goes.
What did you say?
I wasn't even supporting myneck.
It's my advice, because I havethought about that moment so

(01:02:23):
many times over the last year.
The amount of space that ittakes up in my brain and the
regret that I have that I'm likeI could have like killed my
sister is terrifying.
Okay, also, you probably don'tremember this, but this also
comes up in my brain all thetime um, one time we went to
hawaii on vacation with ourfamily and you were like two
years old to kill you.

(01:02:44):
No, that's, that's a good storytoo, jesus, but it was like a
really calm like out on thewater.
You're like two years old, youhave this cute little sun hat on
and your um little swimmer'sdiaper and, um, you really
wanted to go out into the waterand so so we start walking out
into the water and I don'treally notice it, but the shore

(01:03:07):
starts getting bigger and biggerand this big swell, like wave,
starts building and I'm holdingher hand and this like wall of
water just starts like comingtowards us and I'm like, oh my
God, did you leave me out there?
No, I like I grabbed you and Iwas like I grabbed you and I was

(01:03:28):
like okay, isabella, we'regonna have to like dive under
this wave.
And you were like no, no, Idon't want to.
I was like, okay, well, it'stoo late to run back.
We're we gotta, we're likegonna have to dive.
Of course, I didn't say any ofthat because you're two years
old.
You just like are terrified.
But I grabbed you and I held onto you as this wave like
crashed on top of us and it waslike a strong wave and it ripped
you out of my arms and I poppedup out of the water.

(01:03:49):
I was like, oh my god, I justkilled my sister so many times I
thought I had killed you.
I'm resilient, yeah.
But you popped up, of course,like sobbing, and your, your
bucket hat is soaking wet fullof water and I was like, oh my
god, and just like, ran you backto mom and she was sipping on
my time she's fine she's fine.

(01:04:10):
How's that advice?

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
just you can, just because I think about it all the
time.
That's a side story.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I just think about it all the time okay, okay, you
want me to do my victory no govice, vice okay um, well, I
missed my original flight.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Yeah, flying here from dc to seattle, I thought my
flight was at 7 pm, it was at 7am.
Didn't even register until kyletexted me and asked me when I
was landing.
I was like fuck.
Thank god I was able to rebookit and get here the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
But yeah, I took the l on that one and a couple
hundred bucks it's funny becausewe both knew, like he told me
one time you were flying out, weknew when you were leaving or
supposed to have left yourflight plans, yeah, and
meanwhile you did it I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I slept in till 10.
I like took the day off work.
I was having a slow morning andpacking and I went and got
coffee like it was chill andalso I'm realizing a vice it is
of mine.
It's really hard like livingalone.
I don't have family in DC liketo get things done.
It all comes from my ownmotivation, like no one is doing

(01:05:18):
you don't have a lot of noone's just doing no one's doing
anything for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
No one's helping me.
That's adulting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
I know, but it sucks.
No one's driving me to theairport.
No one is doing anything for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
That's why you gotta get a gay roommate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Yeah, honestly.
Actually, I asked one of mycoworkers if he wanted to find a
place together or I need tomove to DC.
Or you need it Honestly.
I would like someone to helptake care of me it's quite nice,
I'm not moving it's exhausting,honestly, that advice of mine.
I'm realizing how exhausting itis to do everything for

(01:05:54):
yourself and I honestly I'm kindof envious of, like my close
friends who are in long-termrelationships and when they get
home from work, someone's madethem dinner and someone else is
doing with the laundry and allthose things and I feel kind of
alone in that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I understand what you're saying.
I think I've felt that beforein my life too, but then I think
there's also it's teaching youto.
It helps a lot with likepreventing codependence.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
To be self-reliant.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Yeah, and I feel very in these past two years of me
living in bc, I've never feltmore adult and independent, and
city girl as I call it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I think it's been a very transformative experience
and I don't regret the choice Imade I think, um, it's very
beneficial that when you movedto dc, you didn't immediately
get in a long-term relationship,because then, if that was
removed from you, you would havefelt like your entire life was
over.
Yeah, because you went fromliving with people who were
helping take care of a lot ofthings to, if you had that

(01:06:53):
partnership, and then it wasremoved, you would really feel
like you couldn't do it byyourself.
And I only say that becausethat's what happened when I
moved out here.
Like I moved to Ohio with a boyand I'd never been without
family or someone close, andthen when I moved out here, you
were alone, yeah, and so itreally teaches you that, like if
everything were to be removed,that you could still depend on

(01:07:14):
yourself exactly, so I'm veryyou probably I'm not.
You're not appreciative thatyou haven't been in a long-term
relationship, but like I'm gladwhenever you moved there you
didn't get into that trap well,I actually I had a.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
I was listening to a podcast with what's her Megan
Fox and she was saying how shenever got to be young and single
, because she was always like ina relationship in her 20s or
she was married to that guy andlike that is such a blessing and
eventually it's inevitable thatI'm going to meet someone and
if I want to have a family, if Iwant to get married, that is in

(01:07:45):
the cards for me.
But my time of being alone,being young yeah, being single,
being able to do whatever thefuck I want, that is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
That's a short-lived period of my life yeah and not
every women woman gets toexperience that yeah, I always
say that the 20s are for me, the30s are for we and the 40s are
for us.
40 on, you know, yeah it's likewe is you and your partner.
Take the time to have that withyour partner and then you know,
after your 30s, then you can,you know, add other people yeah,

(01:08:16):
did mom tell you that she toldchildren.
Oh, children like polygamylittle people little people in
your munchkins, munchkins,aliens okay, what's your advice?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
uh, caleb, well, do you remember?
I got my amazon package theother day how many you brought
in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
There's so many amazon.
No, it was thanksgiving day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Oh yeah, you brought them in yeah, and I was like, oh
, thank god, so god, this isprobably gonna prevent me from
having sex for a hot minute ohgreat not because of the what
I'm experiencing.
If men listen to this podcast,they're like that's nasty.
I don't care.
I've shared worse on theinternet.
Yeah, I have a hemorrhoid.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I think it's a singular one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It might be a fissure if it's bleeding that bad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
I don't know.
What do you do with it?
That's I With in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
no like, it's not an external one and like it doesn't
itch, it doesn't cause me anyissues.
But like here lately I don'teat a lot of fiber.
I know I should, but Idiscovered it while taking
chantix because I was shittingall the fucking time like I
would bleed so much into thecommode and I was like, fuck, I
have a hemorrhoid.
It's not just gonna go awaybecause before I've had them
it'll go away.

(01:09:21):
So I've ordered.
I ordered wipes, suppositoriesand ointment and I have yet to
use any of them because, likesince I, since they came in the
mail, I haven't had any issueswith bleeding.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I'm like, oh, so it's cured, it's fine just pop a
little suppository up there, Iknow.
But then what if it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
makes you have to go poo there is an anal option.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Just pop that baby in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I know well, I have all of it yeah, we'll have the
wipes too, because then I waslike I always thought it was for
like itching or whatever, butapparently no, they actually
have, uh, a medicine in it thatkind of restricts blood flow so
that way it actually helps healit yeah, and not just avoiding
it.
Yeah, so that's my vices.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
I have a hemorrhoid, okay let's go back around the
table.
What's your victory?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
victory oh, I love this.
Oh God, I'm going to be sappy.
My victory was Thanksgiving,which is our second Thanksgiving
spending the three of ustogether because, that's when I
first met you and that's when wehung out for the first time in
a smaller group.
Kyle because you hostedThanksgiving last year and we

(01:10:22):
played Neanderthals and it wasso much fun.
Um, especially this year, Ithink that I haven't been great
of following up with friends, um, and going through breakup and
working a lot that I didn'treally cultivate a good I don't
know friend group to have onFriends.

(01:10:43):
So I just appreciate the bothof you for spending that time
with me, because every year I'vealways worked on Thanksgiving
and I was on call this year but,like I, there was a big part.
I'm so glad that y'all got to goover to Tristan's for a little
pre-drink, because there's a bigpart of me that just was going
to like lie.
I'm like I know I have to work,so you might as well just go
over there, because I didn'twant to hold you guys back oh my

(01:11:04):
gosh, and I know this soundspsychotic and crazy, but, um, I
just appreciate that you guyswere here and we got to make
those memories together and wehad some really good food, oh
yeah thank god for y'all too,because I contributed by you got
a honey making purchasing a hamthat I didn't even pick up nor
did I make.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You did all of that and I made deviled eggs, those
good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Those eggs were good, uh-huh and y'all cooked some
damn good food and I learned alot of terms we should say what
our favorite dish was, because Ihave to highlight the um
caramel pumpkin pie.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Oh, my milk bar.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, the milk bar recipe it was so good with this
like toasted crumble streuselthing on top.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Every bite was just like amazing I had low
expectations for that pie, butit turned out pretty good, we
were watching the holiday andy'all just were not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
You kept going like oh my god, can you believe this
texture?
And oh my god this is so goodand it's not even grainy.
I'm over there like ate thewhole entire slice and I mean it
was good it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Kyle and I are total foodies like we have a deep
appreciation for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Anything I put in my mouth, small, big, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Gritty or not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Okay, what's your victory, isabella?

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
You know, as I'm reflecting on this past few days
I've realized I'm just verygrateful to be in this place in
my life, and especially my lifein DC Like I've become a lot
closer with my work friends andwe hang out more and I feel like
I have a much strongercommunity and that just feels
very lovely and I feel like Ibelong more in DC and I've been
really focusing on likeexercising more and movement and
taking care of myself, and Ijust feel really happy about

(01:12:39):
where I am and I recently got apromotion at work oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
God, congratulations Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I just feel like things are going in the right
direction.
As long as they don't crash andburn between now and then, but
I feel very proud of all thework that I've been doing on
myself and my career and mysocial circle and I think it's
paying off.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
And doing it independently.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
And doing it independently, which makes it
even more rewarding, for sure,oh, I love that, thank you.
Independently.
And doing it independently,which makes it even more
rewarding, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Also, we've been so in sync.
I love what we saidcongratulations at the same time
.
Okay, kyle, what's your victory?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
oh my gosh, my victory was that last night
caleb told me that, um, he usedto think that trident gun wrap
gum wrappers were edible, likethose little, like asian candies
that are wrapped in rice paper.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
No, it was stride.
It was stride, that was the gumthat you could eat Either way?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
No, but isn't it striped?

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
No, You're thinking of stride layers.
No, the zebra one is whatyou're thinking of, you could
eat the wrapper.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
That's not the wrapper, no, no no, you couldn't
eat the wrapper.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
There were like temporary tattoos on the wrapper
that you could lick and thenstick on your arm or your tongue
, but there's no gum that youcould eat as a child.
The wrapper of no.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I'm over here just eating.
There's a lot of wrappers inthis body then yeah, anyways, it
gave me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
That's what caused it's sliced up, my ball pooping
up, pooping up paper, that andcorn damn.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
I swallowed a marble as a child.
Oh yeah, have you passed it yet?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I don't know anyways, yeah, it just had me cackling
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I'm glad that again, your victory is one of my vices.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I do it keeps happening, yeah this was a fun
episode yeah if it just feltlike the same conversations we
had last night.
I do have two questions fory'all collectively.
First off, what is yourfavorite memory together from
your childhood?

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Besides Tulum.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Childhood.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Oh, childhood Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Long pause.
The thing isyle and I just havesuch a big age gap.
I don't think we had a lot oflike best memories didn't happen
until I do like adulthood.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
I do.
I said this last night.
I do.
It's not a best memory, but Ido remember like kyle wiped his
dirty hand on my jeans and hesaid oh, my jeans are more
expensive than yours and how oldwere you?
It's probably like 10 something.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
He came out to you and then he wipes his fucking
nasty hands on your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
The same general time I do remember us playing um,
like the video, like the gamecube uh-huh that was very fun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, he still plays these fucking video games, he
loves his video games.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
We used to play like Zelda and the Harry Potter game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I remember just like watching a lot of movies with
you, like Mean Girls, which,like mom, was like oh my gosh,
isabel should not be watchingthis.
But I was like, but I'm gonnawatch it, so Isabel's gonna
watch it.
I do remember that and then oh,when we used to watch American
Girl, desperate Housewives ohyes, samantha, yeah I feel like
I learned so much like culturalnonsense because of the fact

(01:15:53):
that my sister's 10 yearsyounger I'd appreciate you for
showing him disney I watcheddisney, but I just like watch
playhouse disney like bear inthe big blue House.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Oh my god, I love that show.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
And what's the big comfy couch?
Bananas in pajamas.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
I did not know this.
Okay, also, we didn't have likecable growing up, we just had
like the kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
VHS tapes you used to have like well, pbs used to
just be like available.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Oh yeah, we had like a.
Oh, maybe that we had like aantenna Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Yeah, okay.
So my second question is and Ithink we're going to use it as
the title of this episode gayson or thought daughter?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Apparently I am the thought daughter, but not that
ho over there thought daughter,the T-H-O-U-G-H-T thought,
because I have a lot of feelingsand emotions.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
No, but like that ho over there, or a gay son.
Which one do you want Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
do you want a Charlie XCX or do you want a Troye
Sivan?
If?

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I had kids.
Yeah, do you want a Troye Sivanor a Charlie XCX as a child?
Why not both?

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
We are both.
We represent.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Okay, boring answers, I am the thought daughter we
have the gay son, and we alsohave a mentally ill brother too.
So my mom got it all thetrifecta.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, okay, so you're Charlie XCX, I'm Troye Sivan
and our brother is Ken Petras.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Well, does she have issues too?

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
No, she just is within that queer circle, crazy.
Okay, well, kyle, do the signout thing about bob okay, all
right, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Uh.
Thank you for listening to thisweek's episode and getting to
know my sister a little bitbetter.
Um, she's off to back towashington dc, uh, later tonight
.
Um, and if you have any otherquestions for her or us or you
want to share your own storiesabout your sibling, love or and

(01:17:47):
or rivalry, then you can reachus on Instagram, at unfamously
unwell, you can shoot us anemail at unfamously unwell at
gmailcom, or you can click thelink in the description of this
episode and shoot us a text.
We're also trying to plan out amerch line and I we came up
some really good ideas lastnight, so stay tuned for that,

(01:18:09):
and stay tuned for next week'sepisode and until next week.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
We wish you well shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I'm so glad you did that.

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