April 16, 2025 • 54 mins
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What happens when a sommelier stops drinking for a month? Kyle shares their experience giving up alcohol for Dry January, revealing surprising insights about social anxiety, habitual cravings, and the cultural normalization of drinking.
As a Level 2 sommelier whose job literally requires tasting wine, Kyle found themselves drinking every night – a glass after work that often led to more. The experiment wasn't just about health but about breaking automatic patterns that had formed around alcohol consumption. The results? Discovering that fun, connection, and social confidence don't actually require alcohol, despite years of conditioning suggesting otherwise.
Most powerfully, we discuss how temporary "resets" from habitual behaviors create space to observe our patterns and make more conscious choices. Just as removing social media apps reveals how often we mindlessly reach for our phones, removing alcohol reveals automatic drinking habits we didn't realize we had. Whether you're sober curious or just interested in understanding your relationship with substances better, this episode offers practical insights without judgment.
Ready to examine your own habits with compassion and curiosity? Listen now, and if you've tried your own version of Dry January or another wellness reset, we'd love to hear about it! Share your story with us at unfamouslyunwell@gmail.com or on Instagram @unfamouslyandwell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, for a part of our soft open, because I fucking
forgot to mention it when werecorded the first episode of
this season, you can addmodeling to my resume.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm surprised that's not like your.
Wasn't your like victory?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know I just it completely lost.
Left my brain when we wererecording, and I've thought
about it every day since.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Tell our viewers what you did, sir Listeners, because
we don't have any video, butyou know what I mean.
One of these days.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, this individual had messaged me.
Did he ever message you onInstagram months ago Talking
about doing a photo shoot, and Iwas like I don't want to pay
for that, I don't need to dothat, but it's like their whole
like.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wait, they offer like a service.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, their whole like stitch is they do like
defining binary, so it's likeboudoir meets Defining or
defying.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Defying, like defying gravity, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, Boudoir photos meets like sexual or gender
fluidity type thing is theirvibe.
So anyway, I never followedback up with them.
And then I was at softballpractice two weekends ago and I
get a message and he had sent methe sorry, they had sent me the
inspo pics and it was likebased on Tate McRae, it's called
(01:17):
Two Hands, and I thought that Iwas going to be the nude model.
Oh yeah, so I'm at softballpractice and I'm like sure I'll
come, but I need to go home andshower.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And then I'm like yeah, I'm upstairs trying to
trim my hoo-ha as fast aspossible and I'm like I have
nail polish only on three of thetoes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And I'm like, what the heck?
And then I'm like, okay, I havea couple of acne that I need to
shave and I get all of thisdone, and then I go as I'm
driving over there, I'm readingthe message again and it says
the hand so two hands yeah, so Iget there, I did.
and again I, when I was thinkingabout afterwards, like a random
person messaged me on instagramand I agreed to do nudie shots
(02:00):
at his apartment.
I just showed up there and I,you know, and I'm always like I
don't know how that happened tome.
Well, caleb, look at yourdecisions.
So I go and he has a full likephoto shoot set up in there and
I'm like, wow, this is seriousand this tall man, this hunk of
(02:21):
a man with muscles.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Show me a picture.
Oh my God he is.
I know those tits are.
We'll have to post something toInstagram.
Whenever they post a photoshoot.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'll put it on Instagram by the time this comes
out.
Maybe I can post it.
Anyway, I get there and he's infull lingerie Hot, hot, hot,
hot.
What do you mean by lingerie?
So like a little skimpy underbritches?
Okay With like lace and it'slike a one piece body suit, like
kind of like a oh yeah.
A swimming, a bathing suit.
(02:48):
That's one piece, but it's alllike lace and his pecs are just
it's a thong with like a littleskirt over.
It's beautiful.
Um, he embraces me for like aminute.
He was like we're about to beintimate, so like let's just get
it out of the way.
I'm like, okay, okay, fellasleep gently on his head, on
his chest um and then.
So the idea is my hands arewrapped around him like two
(03:09):
hands on this person's body, andI'm tucked and squatted behind
him, but they're.
The whole idea is to not see me.
Luckily, this man has musclesto the gods.
But like I'm behind him, mynose is between his butt, cheeks
, and my hands are like movingall over his body that I can't
see.
And then he turns around.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So you're like covering his dick or something.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, like all over his body, like up his chest, like
just two hands on him.
I put him in differentpositions.
It's like over his crotch.
Then he turns around.
I put him on his ass and youknow when he turns around his
dick is to my nose, there's alittle cage on it and like I'm
looking up at him talking andhe's like, oh, it's like what do
you do for work, my neck or hisdick on my nose?
He had my lingerie, meshirtless, my hands on his ass,
(03:52):
cheeks, I'm a hospice nurse thisis what I wanted that would be
a lot of work.
Honestly, I couldn't do.
That couldn't be a model a lotof work, to do what you do too,
yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, um, but then afterwardsthe photographer was like oh,
since you came and helped lastminute, I'll take some photos of
(04:12):
you.
So I wore this like skimpy lacyunder britches and did some
photos and I haven't gotten theback yet, so we we shall see,
yeah, but add model to theresume.
Model comma end.
Comma end of sentence period.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I am a model and model employee, that just adds
to your unfamousness, yeah and amodel employee.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Also, we celebrated a friend last night for their
birthday.
Happy birthday, but we went anddid karaoke.
So it it was funsies, it was alot of fun.
Oh, and we saw that man whosang ave maria in the original
key months ago.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh yeah, we talked about that, the phineas and ferb
night.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah so he sang ave maria and I was like I remember
being in love with him.
Then I saw him.
I was like, oh, maybe not he.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I made eye, contact him with him while I was singing
celine dion and I was like Iremember being in love with him.
Then I saw him.
I was like oh, maybe not.
I made eye contact with himwhile I was singing Celine.
Dion and I was like, oh, that'sthe Ave Maria guy.
So I, after the Celine Dionsong, went to go get you and I
was like, oh yeah, the guy thatyou were crushing on, who was
saying Ave, Maria.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And that high of a key is here, so we go.
Are you going to sing?
Yeah, and that high of a key ishere, so we go.
Are you going to sing?
He's like no, that was backwhen I was drinking and I
pointed at his beer.
It's a zero ABV, Uh-huh.
And then he's sober now, but inmy brain I'm like you don't
know if you're going to sing,but you came here to get a
(05:42):
non-alcoholic beer by yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, and you have a voice like that.
It doesn't require alcohol inorder to hit those notes.
If anything, your vocaltraining has taught you that you
probably do better with alcoholin your system Because you have
better breath control.
I don't know.
(06:04):
I thought he was going to slaythe house down boots.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But no, boots were had.
No, he sank fine, but he didn'thit any of these keys or notes
or any pitches and I'm likepotential was lost.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know, he just was so nervous, yeah, and I've
never seen that side of I guess.
I only met him one other time.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Speaking of dentists.
Recently you come after we walkaway you say did you see his
teeth?
They're bad.
They're worse than yours, caleb.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But, caleb, yours are doing so much better.
You got a crown and I got mylittle brackets removed.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know what, and on this podcast you come across as
really kind, but last night Iwanted to smack you in your face
.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
What did I do when but last?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
night I wanted to smack you in your face.
What did I do when you saidthat comment?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That wasn't even about you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It was about someone else.
You insulted him, but then youwere like insulting me at the
same time which is funny, butI'm like it was like a
backhanded insult.
Yeah, and I was like it's likeI insulted someone else, but you
caught the ricochet.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Wow yeah, and I was hoping you'd go up and sing and
you did laugh.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You would go up and sing again and I would burlesque
you and pull the mic orsomething.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The backing track Acapella.
Oh, you know I would go intoacapella.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Oh I know, yeah, very true, very true, but overall it
was a fun night.
We got home at a decent hour.
We had some food.
I had my first peanut buttersauce on a noodle.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, caleb's never had peanut sauce before, no,
okay.
Well, this week we're going totalk about a couple different
topics, but they all kind of tieback to a month of sobriety
that I tried out as part of mywellness journey back in January
(07:46):
.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Obviously, silent, dry January yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I didn't want to make a big deal about it, because I
I felt like you guys were goingto like pressure me into
drinking or something, which Idon't know why.
I felt like that, because whenI was doing my like juice
cleanse, you were verysupportive, but I don't know.
I just like I kept likesubstituting, when you guys
would like have drinks orwhatever, with like one of those
(08:12):
um, what's the shroomy StJuniper?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
St yeah, is it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
St Juniper.
Something like that was thename of the like bottle that we
had, but yeah, but I think itwas like lion's mane there's
like kin ashwagandha yeah, kineuphorix is one of them.
There's like a bunch ofdifferent like alcohol
alternatives out there now yeah,which we were just talking
about.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
We want to do that as an episode.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, whether it's like gummies or drinks or all
the coffee mushroom oh my goshmushroom like, like all of these
functional mushroom beveragesthat are out there.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Like no psilocybin in them.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I just ordered a 12 pack of three different types
of them, called like moonwalkor moon can.
So those will come in this week.
So, and then I'm going to ordera few other items so we can do
a whole episode on that, liketry it for a while and replace
it, like not in addition toalcohol, but just only have
those things and see, yeah,report back how we felt, yeah or
didn't feel so that's to come,but this week's episode I
(09:12):
thought that I'd start off bykind of explaining what it means
to be a sommelier, because thiskind of all ties into alcohol
and not drinking for a month andall that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So I figured we'd start there and I feel like,
well, let me start by asking you, caleb, like what do you think
a sommelier is?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I've interacted with one of them once in besides me
yes, okay, in vegas, and theywere like talking about the wine
, the notes of of it, what itpairs well with, and you know it
fell on deaf ears.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is that at a restaurant?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, it is in Vegas, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And you know it fell on deaf ears so you asked like
hey, um, I'm not sure which wineto order.
Can we speak to the sommelier?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, I think he just came up to us, but he actually
did listen, because even thenthis was a couple years ago I
was still on my Riesling kick.
And he gave a bottle of like2011 Riesling and it was
actually so good.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, it was so good.
Rieslings age really well,because they have like higher
sugar content usually and higheracidity, so they usually, like,
are more age worthy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so that's my only interactions with them
other than you, because everyonce in a while I'll find that
like uh on instagram and it'slike what wine pairs well with
this.
It'll be like thanksgivingdishes or different types of
chips or soups or, you know,canned meat I would love to what
goes around with spam.
And then I like then I alwayslike to like, ask you and be
(10:41):
like what do you think goes withthis?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
yeah, sometimes I'll get the same answer.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but a lot of them were like very weird, very,
very weird, right, yeah, likeone of them was like a red wine.
You were like why would you doa red wine with?
That?
Doesn't make any sense.
I was like, and I trust mysommelier kyle because he's a
level two, that's right.
So oh yeah, sorry, give them adefinition okay.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
well, I think that, like a lot of people um picture
a sommelier as like one of thosepeople that like get up on like
stage and they have like abunch of like wine poured in
glasses and they just kind of gothrough and they like taste
them really quickly and thenthey like can identify the year
that and the varietal and themaybe the um, the producer or
(11:22):
winemaker that made that wineall from like a smell or a taste
, and I think that that's like afun um party trick that some
really great sommeliers can do.
But in general, um, it's notthat.
It's really more about, like,what you experience at the
restaurant, which is experienceat the restaurant, which is a
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sommelier is someone who is awine scholar.
They study wine and they know alot about the different types of
wine grapes that grow inspecific regions and they can
predict what a wine is going totaste like based off of who made
it, where it came from, thevarietals that are in it, and
they're good at especially ifyou work in a restaurant at
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pairing that with whatever foodyou're going to have, right, so
that, in general, is what asommelier does, and eventually
we'll do an episode where we can, like blind taste some wines
together and I think that wouldbe a really fun thing to do.
Um, but being in the winebusiness, it really like um kind
(12:35):
of got me on this track ofdrinking wine like every night,
and I like every day after workI would have a glass of wine, or
during work, you were.
Yeah, because you literallyhave to drink wine in order to
start to memorize what thosewines taste like and why they
taste that way.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You need repetition.
Exactly that's what I'm justworking towards.
There's not a sommeliertraining.
Exactly With your boxed wine.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I wonder if there's a boxed wine sommelier
certificate that you could get.
Like I tried them all, that'ssomething I would actually try
Like keep your little couponcodes you know and submit them
to the sommelier service and seeif you can get a pin.
Yeah to Franzia, Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So like it sounds like the whole purpose of a
sommelier, or like why arestaurant would hire them, is
to add to the customerexperience, right Like, so that
way they're having the bestadvice, suggestions.
It also helps them sell morebecause someone's talking so
knowledgeably about it and if Igo to, if I'm having a nice
dinner, it adds to my experienceif I have a nice bottle of wine
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with it.
So it sounds like that's thewhole premise of it is to be a
resource of information.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's that, and usually there are different
levels of sommelier within arestaurant and, like, a higher
level sommelier will be incharge of building the beverage
menu for a restaurant.
So they will decide which winesto import from or buy from
importers or distributors andthey will, you know, create the
(14:09):
wine list that customers canselect from.
So they're the expert in everysingle bottle that's on that
menu and then they, you know,train the other sommeliers as to
what flavor profiles and whatto pair them with.
So, anyways, that experience inthe wine industry just kind of
had me drinking wine everysingle night and I just needed
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like a hard reset, and one.
I think that I did it becauseaddiction, like alcohol
addiction, runs in my family andI don't know that like I would
say that I was like dependent onit to like, you know, go to
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sleep at night or what have you.
But I definitely like got usedto it and it definitely wasn't
having any like positive effectson my life.
And and also, like, when youget accustomed to having a glass
of wine at the end of likeevery shift or you're tasting
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wine from different distributorsthroughout the day, then it
just becomes, like you know,just a general part of everyday
life and it becomes likehabitual and the like US Surgeon
general has said now that likeno amount of alcohol really is
like good for you.
(15:35):
Well, no, yeah, it's a toxin,uh-huh.
And so really I just wanted tolike find out, like can I just
take a break for a month?
And like, what kind of likeimpacts is it going to have on
my life?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That was actually one of my questions.
It's like, what made you do it?
And then why do you think it'spopular to do in January
specifically?
Is it because, like theholidays leading up to it, like
you're drinking a lot more, oris it kind of like, oh, like I'm
starting the gym this year,like, and they go for january,
and that's it like that type ofidea, like a new, fresh start?
(16:16):
Or do you think it's dependingon the holidays?
Or why is january dry january?
So pop it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
See what I did there pop in bottles and bottles or,
you know, lack thereof yeah, Idon't know, I think it's
probably different for everyone,but I think it up.
But afterwards, after like acouple, after like a week or so,
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it became more of like um, itwas harder, because of like the
social pressure of it all, tolike go out and enjoy time with
friends without having alcohol.
Just because it's like becomeit becomes second nature to like
walk into a bar and order adrink and no matter the time of
(17:17):
day yeah, and it almost there'salso like this like tell me if
you've ever like felt this waybefore.
But, um, like, do you ever feellike you have to like give a bar
money when you like no, walkinto it?
No, okay, I always feel like,okay, I'm using their space,
(17:37):
like I'm I'm a patron of this,like bar or restaurant or
whatever.
Like I need to like ordersomething yeah, but then that's
why some bars have covers yeah,but usually they like have a
cover so that the prices of thedrinks are less.
So people are buying more.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Oh, I never put those two together yeah I was just
like I have to pay to use theirspace and enjoy the atmosphere
and the music.
Uh well, queer bar needs to geton that bandwagon because their
drinks prices don't change.
Yeah, and they're kind ofpricey.
Which alcohol out here ingeneral is wild, but that when
we went to the karaoke bar lastnight it wasn't that badly
(18:17):
priced but like you can get,okay, wait, I got um, I got a
beer and a soda and it was like16, oh, but they had bud light
for four dollars or mcculture orsomething that's's because
Jamil was really excited aboutit.
No, but I well, I think, becausethe lady she just I really I
told you I was kiki-ing with her.
(18:38):
Because, I was like she onlygot four hours of sleep.
She just moved into her newplace.
We're going to hang out shelives off the Othello station
but she only kept charging mefor like a shot, even though I
got a vodka.
Red bull, wow, she liked youwell.
Yeah, why would you know?
I don't know and then I got ahigh noon.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It was like seven bucks okay that's not as bad,
but it is crazy.
The prices of alcohol, and itlike doesn't surprise me at all
that gen z are, like you know,engaging this whole sober
curious thing Because at the endof the day, okay, yeah, the
(19:15):
Surgeon General says that it's atoxin and no amount is good for
you.
And it's literally so expensiveit's like hundreds of dollars
to rack up a bar tab just forone person If you have like four
or five drinks in a night,which I guess is binge drinking.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
But we're not gonna talk about that, uh who's who's
doing that well, attacking mefor my teeth too, and this I
wasn't attacking you, I was justsaying in general if I have
four or five drinks in a night,then that's probably 100 bucks
oh yeah, that's that's true.
Yeah, that's pricey.
That's that racks up more thanyour my amazon bill a year.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, what do you think about sober curiosity?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I definitely is it real.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Is it like bisexuality?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
no, I just think that people, they it's kind of like
self-awareness.
Like they're like I wonder likewhat this experience would be
without alcohol.
And even just like at the bar,it gives you an activity, like
to drink, yeah, like you havesomething in your hand, you're
doing something while beingaround people.
So the alcohol itself, you know, I think helps with like any
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social anxieties or anything andmake people giggle more, like
it's a part of the atmosphere.
And then, like it gives you theactivity and like going to the
bar or to order a drink andwaiting in line, talking to
people in line, like it's awhole activity in itself.
Right, I do.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What is it about?
Like the alcohol part, like inin, not just like a soda water
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, that's fair, because I think that you even
got that last night.
I think it's a good replacementbecause, again, it's giving you
an activity.
Yeah, and then it also helpspeople not keep asking you all
night do you want to drink?
Why aren't you drinking All ofthis other stuff?
But yeah, I like the idea ofbeing curious about sobriety,
because I also have drinkingabuse in my family, so I support
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it.
It's something that I'm on ajourney of figuring out myself,
but yeah, I think people shoulddrink less.
Like the patient I was supposedto admit today had dementia
caused by alcoholism, haddementia caused by alcoholism
because it like not only justyour liver, like your kidneys
can get fucked your heart, yourbrain, all these other things.
(21:37):
Yeah, it's wild and like youget cirrhosis and people, you
can literally get like thosetypes of veins in your throat so
if you vomit it bursts likeyou're bleeding to death I just
started watching the pit oh mygod, it's so good.
I've been telling you about it,yes I.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It is wild the number of ways you can die.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's so accurate, though, like their interactions,
the way that people get talkedto.
There is another.
There's a lot of episodes thathave like wild stuff that goes
on, like it talks about people,like diverting drugs, like the
doctors it talks about, likeabuse from patients that nurses
experience.
So it's wild and there's a lotof drinking involved with a lot
of those patients.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I wonder if, like yeah, people that work in
hospitals abuse drugs the waythat, like Somalis, or people in
tasting rooms abuse alcohol,they literally call it employee
water, like white wine.
White literally call itemployee water, like white wine.
White wine is called employeewater because you just go back
and take a swig when you'rethirsty.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, yeah, because I think drinking is the most
normalized vice.
Yeah, or for substances.
Yeah because even now smokingpeople are like ew, don't do
that.
But if someone's drinking itcould be like 3 pm or 2 pm on a
weekday and people are like, ohyeah, I just went and got a
drink.
That's so normalized andaccepted.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I think it's definitely seen as the least
vice of all substances, but inreality it's like there's a lot
of people who die fromalcoholism or have adverse
health effects from it, orwhatever.
I'm not trying to be preachy oranything, I'm just like
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speaking my mind, I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean we would have patients that come in that
are detoxing from it, andthere's this medicine called
Antabuse that like if you takeit and then alcohol is
introduced to your body.
It makes you throw up and.
I've had doctors who have likeprescribed a beer and the
pharmacy brings up a beer for apatient to drink if they're
going through withdrawals butnot while they're on Antabuse no
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, like they try different things, and then we have like CWAS
scoring, which is like everyfour hours we're checking if
you're having tremors, if you'rehaving a problem speaking, if
you're sweating, your alert andorientation, and like we dose
you with lorazepam based on thatnumber, from that score every
four hours.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Lorazepam.
Who took my lorazepam?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And she was like I don't have my lorazepam so I'm
gonna have to drink myself tosleep if it's very on brand with
what we're talking about whichwe did see a guy that looks like
the older brother from WhiteLotus last night yeah and at
first you were like oh, kind of,but then like it really it
really came to fruition.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, jamil, tell us who that is that is, and we'll
tag him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah okay, we got way off topic, sorry, my bad.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, it's fine Not we, it was me.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
How has your relationship changed with
alcohol after being dry for amonth?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's a good question.
I know I have a lot of them.
Okay, the outcome, I think, ofSober January for me was one
realizing that I didn't needalcohol or to be drunk or tipsy
in order to like have fun,Whether that's at dinner, you
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know, with people that aredrinking, or out of the club or
wherever Like, it's actuallyreally fun to go out and be the
sober one, and sometimes youwant to go home earlier than
everyone else because you know.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Everyone's getting a little bit different vibes than
you're giving.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But besides that, it was just like a good check in.
To be like, oh yeah, actuallyI'm fun without alcohol.
And to be like, oh yeah,actually I'm fun without alcohol
, which I didn't realize Ineeded to know, because every
time I've gone out I've hadalcohol, and that was since I
was 21.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, well, I think I , as someone who's experienced
social anxiety for the firsttime over this last year, it
really does help with that,because it, like I think the
idea why people enjoy is itmakes you like laugh, giggle, do
silly things, but it drowns outall of these like thoughts that
you're having other than fun,thoughts like all the negative,
(26:04):
or like even just kind of blah,like tasks you and chores you
need to do kind of just drownsthem out.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And so it turns off your like prefrontal cortex,
like brain and like higherfunctioning, and so you
literally, you know, are notusing the part of the your brain
that's probably causing you asanxiety.
You're more in in the present,which is kind of nice, just
using your reptilian brain,right, okay, so the other thing
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that I was going to say kind ofcame from Sober January was, I
feel like it kind of got my likecravings under control.
You know, like when you'realways around it and it just
(26:54):
becomes like a habit that youhave a glass of wine or a bottle
of wine at the end of everynight, then you don't really
like think about it.
But then when you intentionallylike cut it out for a month,
then you like almost stop thoselike habitual cravings of, just
like you know being used todoing that like as a ritual at
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the end of the day, and it justkind of like helped change that
habit and honestly I think Imight do another like month of
it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'll try it the next month that you do it.
Okay, that'll be good foraccountability.
Well, it sounds like almostsimilar to like when we took
instagram off our phones,because then, when you
eventually go to reach for it.
You start realizing how oftenyou're doing it, yeah, but if I
think about, like, how often Iwas on instagram the day, you're
like, oh, not that much.
But then, like you realize howlike each you had a red light,
you're getting on it.
(27:45):
Or like, every time you go toreach for, you're like, yeah,
I'm fuck, I'm addicted Exactly.
So, it's very similar.
Yeah, I love speaking inmetaphors, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I would also like relate it to my, um, my juice
cleanse that I did, which wasjust for three days, but it's,
you know, hard to compare it to.
You know, a 30 day cleanse fromalcohol, when you're not eating
food for three days because youdon't need alcohol but you do
need food, and so your mind'slike kind of like constantly
like telling your brain that youneed food and, um, but I would
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say it had the same effect,which was I was like craving
chips and you know snacks andsoda and you know whatever
anything to like, just put it inmy mouth all the time, cause I
was like I don't know what elsedo I do?
I like I'll have some chips,you know.
And after like a three dayjuice cleanse, I didn't have
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those sort of like habitual,mindless cravings of like, oh,
my brain's always thinking aboutwhen am I going to have my next
snack or when am I going tohave my next drink, or you know
what is going into my mouth.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Over a lifetime, people spend, on average, 32,098
hours of eating, and so, likechanging that relationship of
like?
Oh, it just becomes habitual.
You start reaching for things,especially when you're stressed,
and like but that's that amountof time they're spending eating
.
So then you had all of you knowbroken down just into days, all
of that time of like.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Wow, I really have to fill a void something that,
like, is so innate and likeyou've done forever, yeah jesus,
what do I even do?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
do I color?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
yeah, do I get on Grindr and just like search for
dick because I have so much time?
I need to fill the void.
I need something in my mouthwell, that's another craving,
yeah but yeah, it's.
It's amazing, like, how muchtime you realize you have in a
day when you're not constantlythinking about, um, what am I
(29:51):
going to put in my mouth?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know what I mean.
Out of context that sounds sowild, but yes, I do know exactly
, Like when, what?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
yeah, when am I going to have a drink?
When am I going to have a snack?
When I'm going to have a puffof my vape?
When I'm going to?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
you know it's like when I'm going to the bathroom,
like there's so many just likethings, you just do the on
autopilot.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, but like when you intentionally like cut all
of that noise out, then I don'tknow it kind of like resets your
brain.
At least it did for me.
I will say, though, that Italked to someone that's a
nutritionist and they also comefrom a background of, like
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mental health and helping peoplewith eating disorders and they
told me that there is noscientific evidence to show that
intermittent fasting or juicecleanses or anything have any
like benefit on your wellbeingfrom a nutritionist's
(30:57):
perspective, and if anythinglike it is used quite frequently
within the population thatsuffers from eating disorders as
kind of like oh, I'm just doingit as an excuse to not eat, and
so I will say it's not foreveryone and it does have its
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negative side effects.
For me, I felt like it reallyhelped me get my cravings kind
of under lock.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, I feel like that's what fasting kind of is
too.
Like okay, I can't commit tothree days of doing it, but like
I can commit to 16 hours of noteating.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know um.
Do you have any tips on ifanyone wants to try dry January?
Like what you experienced, orlike what you did in place of it
, like you ordered your zero ABVbeers, like.
So like what tips experienced?
Or like what you did in placeof it, like you ordered your
zero abv beers, like yeah, solike what tips do you have for
people like, because it isreally hard to do.
So yeah, you would.
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I would say that, yeah, I did like a experiment
with some zero abv beers andthere are some that are good and
some that are not good.
I really enjoyed Corona Zero,like out of all of them, and I
tried the athletic ones becausethose are like really popular
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and they're at a lot of bars.
I thought they tasted terrible,but there's this one called
Bero B-E-R-O and it's fromwhat's his name Timothee.
Chalamet no Spider-Man.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Troye Sivan no, the other twink.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, the other lizard, boy.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Holland, tom Holland, tom Holland.
Yeah, he did Umbrella byRihanna, yep.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So hot Tom Holland's brand of zero alcohol beer
Because I guess he's sober too.
Well, I mean that man Not too,because I'm not sober.
Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right, and you're also not a famous celebrity in
Spider-Man but you're drinkinghis beer.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I am unfamous.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, and you're drinking his beer and I am
unwell.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So yeah, it's his line of beer and his hazy IPA.
I've got to say it's prettygood.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I hate beer.
I hate it.
It feels like I'm eating awhole loaf of bread.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, when it's not real beer, it doesn't really
feel like that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
It doesn't weigh like that on your tummy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
But also we're going to do another whole episode on
mushrooms.
But I feel like that's a reallygood replacement and doesn't
really have mind-alteringeffects, other than a little bit
of if you have social anxiety.
I feel like it kind of calmsthose social anxiety nerves.
Um, but stay tuned, we'll talkmore about that on another
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episode.
Yeah, okay.
So let's talk, uh, aboutcravings that we have on the
daily basis and, caleb, I wantto know what you're craving
today, today.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think I'm kind of going through that slump of god.
I have to eat because, like Ididn't eat until I got home,
like at 12, 30 ish, and I madelike that he had like chicken
cajun pasta and I ate like threebites.
I'm like that's enough, I'mtired.
I'm tired of this activity.
So, like what I'm craving,other than my vape and wine?
(34:06):
I don't really have any, butthen like I'll last week it was
pickles, so I ate like a wholejar of pickles In one day, no,
like two, oh okay.
And I'm always craving Altoids.
I eat at least a can of those aday.
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I got into your car the other day and I was like
yeah, you do so.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I got into your car the other day I was like, wow,
this smells like my grandma'scar.
You would not believe I have alittle garbage can on my uh car.
Every time I go to get gas Iempty it like five or six tins
tins every time.
Every time you wow, it's myfavorite candy, which is weird
and wild, but peppermint, it'sthe red altoids.
Peppermint is my favoriteflavor scent experience because
it tingles.
I just love it and it gives mesomething to put in my mouth
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when I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, Maybe you have an oral fixation, yeah, which is
weird because dicks aren'tinvolved in that.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, I haven't had sex this calendar year, what
yeah?
So I gave up sex, sex.
You gave up alcohol for a monthwho wins.
I actually didn't give up sex I, I just like.
I'm not like we talked aboutbefore.
I'm very demisexual and likethe idea of hooking up.
It's like almost like.
The idea of like eating in away is like there's not.
(35:22):
You don't have the craving, yeah, like it's like cake, yeah,
like it tastes good during it,but then afterwards, like you're
kind of like meh, mm-hmm.
And so usually a good rule ofthumb is like if I'm like been
really wanting to have sex withsomeone, I will just like
masturbate and then like that'llkind of give me clarity of like
oh no, I don't need to do that.
I know exactly what it's likebecause the whole idea of having
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someone come over or going overthere I hate small talk.
Then we're having to do thesethings and then like I don't
want to take care of that person, yeah, if I'm finished or if
I'm good to go bye, like I don't, it just isn't.
It's.
I think it's like similar to myrelationship with food.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Because then I'll go through a spell.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm like it sounds like you're on Ozempic, you know
, with sex.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But I've heard it affects both that like you don't
really have like the cravingsfor like sex, the way that you
don't have cravings for food.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Which is wild, because I look forward to it.
I could see why people getaddicted to sex, but, like to me
, I think it's mostly because,like, idea of sex is connection
and vulnerability and I reallyhaven't been in that era
recently.
I've been looking for it morein friendships than I have
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romantically and my brain tiesromance and connection and
vulnerability with sex.
I'm like I don't want to givethat away to someone stranger.
Yeah, it's making me realizehow all addictions kind of have
a similar underlying theme.
Mm-hmm, a hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
Cause like I could give up sexfor a year easily, but like wine
(36:57):
would be tough, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Mm-hmm.
It's also easier to access.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah yeah, I guess you could go buy sex.
But sex work is work Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I'vedefinitely been craving the dick
that recently.
Maybe it's cause I gave up, youknow, nicotine and um alcohol
and food.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I could tell you cause every time you're on the
couch and I glance at your phonegrinder, grinder grinder,
grinder, grinder For the lastcouple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I just downloaded it, but yeah, girl, it's been
driving.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I mean we saw our other roommate had sex for the
first time in like what a month.
Which is not usual for him.
He usually has it more oftenand he has been glowing the last
two days in such a funny, goofymood.
The weight of the world is offof him and I'm like I wish I
wish sex did that to me.
External validation oh yeah,yeah.
(37:55):
He was like yeah, like somehookups are like having a piece
of pizza, like I want pizza.
But he said this one was like aperfect lasagna with a
wonderfully paired salad, thatsomeone came over with a bottle
of wine and was like you canhave this for free.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It pairs really nicely with that lasagna, oh yay
, yeah, it's wild through theconnections I'm making.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's how he explained this sex versus other
hookups that he's had, and I waslike, wow, if I could have
fancy lasagna all the time, thensure, but it's also wild
because I think about with sex,like when my, when I first start
sleeping with my you know, anyexes, I'm like, yeah, this is
fine and I remember, likejournaling about it, after the
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first time I had sex withsomeone who I ended up dating
and I was like it was okay.
But then, like then, the morethat my emotions and stuff like
grow, I'm like this isphenomenal.
Stuff like grow, I'm like thisis phenomenal.
Y'all have to try sex.
It's wonderful.
I don't know if you've everdone it, uh-huh and it's yeah.
So that's the kind of thecorrelation my brain.
Maybe I should do sex therapyto explore why I'm not attracted
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to me.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean something's wrong with you if you're not
attracted to me, yeah, so well,let's get into victory and vice,
now that we've kind of umtalked through our topic for
today, um, my victory kind ofties to this.
Okay, great, you start.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Um, so I'm gonna give a little backstory.
I had a date thursday, went toa bar to watch rootball with
friends on friday and then wewent to that on saturday, which
is a lot of social activitiesfor me and you you know, over
the last year I've kind of beenavoiding them because I'm like,
oh, my therapist says it'sbecause I'm afraid to be
vulnerable, which is correct.
But I did all those things andI was reflecting on it today.
(39:37):
I still had social anxiety, butI think of my like give a fuck
meter was kind of lowered.
I was like I'm so tired of likebeing so in my head and
exhausted mentally going to dosocial events and that's why
I've been avoiding them that I'mlike no, I want to experience
(39:58):
it and however I show up toexperience it that day, the
people that I'm around will.
They will enjoy it or not enjoyit, but removing myself from it
isn't doing me any good.
I'm not experiencing life.
So I felt like I had it undercontrol and I, what I did was
especially for the date, becauseI was like, oh god, this is a
(40:18):
lot of effort.
It actually went really well,but in the mirror I'll just
start like hyping myself up likeI'm like wait, you're actually
really funny.
Yeah, wait, you kind of look hotright now like and I was like
give yourself a little wink inthe mirror, yeah, and I'm like
wait, my botox is botoxing.
(40:39):
I said I'm fucking hilariousand I'll tell myself a joke.
And I'm like, and and it, likeit like, because we're just
correcting the things in ourbrains, like telling the
opposite of that.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I actually saw Sia.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
of all people, she said like the singer.
Yeah, anytime you have anegative thought, say out loud
the complete opposite.
And she said, and she said shesays it into the mirror.
And she said after about sixmonths you.
She says it into the mirror andshe said after about six months
you notice a huge change.
Because then you're just likenope, I'm interrupting that.
Negativity with positivity it'salmost like you're looking for
more positive things.
So it's like oh, like I look alittle bloated today.
(41:14):
It's like I look skinny as hell, like it's that idea.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You need to eat something Right.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It's like oh my God, are you starved?
Oh my God, where'd you waist isso tiny.
Good thing it's not windy,you'd be blowing away.
I love that, just likeinterrupting those negative
thoughts.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah and so I think that's so good, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm gonna start doing that especially as I'm like
walking into the social event.
That's when, like, I get really, really hypercritical.
It's like what do I even say?
Like, am I gonna be funny?
Do I want to hug them?
Do I want to show up a certainlike?
Then I was like you're funny,you're hell.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Checked myself out in the window before I walked in
the other day when I was puttingon an outfit.
You caught me looking at myselfin the mirror, giving myself a
little wink, and you go ew.
I cannot believe you justlooked at yourself like that Ick
.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're a hater.
Oh, don't even get me startedabout hating you.
Hate me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And now you are self-correcting and I love it.
Yeah, and I don't have to beself-conscious about myself
looking at myself in the mirror,because you're gonna be doing
the same thing when have you gotme doing very odd, weird things
?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
often if I'm not on my ipad, who knows why I get
zoomies start clapping like Iwas at the table yesterday.
I was so zoomy wide and I wasjust like but yeah, so that's my
victory and it was such an easy, small thing and it wasn't like
a oh, I need a journal, oh, Ihave to do this.
(42:42):
It was just like I haveliterally 30 seconds to do that
and it really helped, yeah,especially especially on the
date which we've been so syncedup lately on, when we're going
on dates which is wild, wild oneon thursday yeah, you did too,
I did.
And then on tuesday we both haveone yeah, and well then, a
couple of saturdays ago, we bothwent on it the day the same day
(43:05):
.
Yeah, do you remember?
Because?
Then?
Do you remember?
Because then you called me onthe way home.
You're like great, you're awakeand you were telling me about
it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah.
Oh I forgot all about that man,but still no sex, which is fine
for me, yeah, not for me Ihaven't even kissed him, not for
me.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
We're talking about two different people.
We're not like playing ourthird date with the same person,
cause then, isn't it five dates?
You kind of know where you'relike, is it?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I know, on day one I do too, but like, like, I think
one to five, though, like.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
if you're like, oh, like this could be something,
then like, then you're like okay.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Each date kind of like, oh my God, absolutely.
And then, by date five, you'reusually like I could actually
date this person On date one, Iknow if it's like it's going to
go well or not.
It's the other four dates thattell me like if the other person
is going to put in the amountof effort that I need them to,
or like reciprocate, in orderfor it to, like you know, get
past that how would you definewhat a good date is?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
sorry, this is so off topic, but this is so good,
that's good content, likethey're they could.
The reason I ask is becausethey say, like a way to measure
if someone had fun or not, or islike how much they talked about
themselves and so like is, arethey going to think the date it
went well?
If you keep asking themquestions about themselves or
like sharing stuff about youknow know what I'm saying Like
(44:30):
what about the date makes itlike the ease of talking to them
or cause I definitely think mydate Thursday.
There's so many things is greatand I really and I'm excited to
see them again.
There's other people I'm like,yeah, I could, and it's fine,
but it's not like I'm jazzed,yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
You know no-transcript squeezing each
(45:22):
other's legs and you know, madeout in the car and so maybe like
the more like physical touchside of things was good, like
the attraction was there and youknow reciprocal attraction
which makes you know you feelpretty too, so, um, but I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
There's so many things, yeah, yeah well and I
think like there's times, I feellike there's like three where
like one is like absolutely not,it was horrible.
Then there's like the secondone.
You were like it was like fine,and you're like trying to
convince yourself like oh, butthey have all these other good
qualities.
You're like, oh yeah, it was asolid date, which I think I did
with a guy before.
But then there was other times.
I think the third option islike wow, that actually went
(46:00):
really well and I'm excited.
But then there's a level to itwhere it's just because there's
different levels ofvulnerability and there is kind
of how you react differently.
Yeah, okay, what's your um vice?
Oh, you want me to do both?
(46:20):
Yeah, okay, um, I didn't showup for you last week and I have
felt really bad about it sinceum whenever you stayed up late
editing after working all day,oh yeah.
And then you're like oh, theepisode's up and ready to go
live because I told you it wouldmean a lot to me and it did,
(46:43):
but I didn't show up for you.
And about having the socialmedia ready, okay, just
backstory.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Caleb told me after recording the last episode that
it would mean a lot to him if Icould have the edits done by
April 1st, because he wanted tolike do some social media posts
that tied into April fool's day.
So I was up all night, umMonday night, yeah, editing it
all, and and then Caleb didn'tdo anything.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and what I'll say is, when I checked
Buzzsprout, when I was listeningto it, it was like, oh, it's
scheduled for April 2nd.
I was like, okay, because Ialso didn't know you were
staying up, but that stilldoesn't matter.
And so yeah, I didn't show upfor you and I'm really sorry, so
that's my conscience.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Don't let it happen again bitch.
Okay, well, don't talk about myteeth.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
If you could do that, then I'll start doing that,
Okay my victory and vice iscombined into one.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And after the birthday party we had last night
, I decided that I wanted to goice skating at six o'clock in
the morning because the Kraken,the new um ice arena in
Northgate, opened, um, I thinklast year, and I've been wanting
to try it out.
I love ice skating, it's somuch fun and that's when they
(48:05):
have their public skate.
So I convinced um JJ Jamil'spartner or husband to go with me
At 6 am in Northgate.
Yeah, I picked him up at 545.
That's wild.
And the reason that I'm tryingto do this is because, like we
(48:26):
said earlier on the episode andI'm sure we'll have a whole
episode dedicated to it but isthat when you have ADHD, it is
really important to have aroutine and I've been trying to
experiment with different waysto work like physical activity
into my routine and this seemedlike a really good fit because
(48:47):
it's Sundays, it's like early inthe morning, I can go like, uh,
ice skate for an hour, um, getsome physical activity in and
then, you know, get on with therest of my day.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And and it kind of helps you not drink on Saturday
nights, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah.
And so it all just kind of tiedin and it felt like a good, um,
yeah, tie into sober curiosityand um, and just like, yeah,
getting back into some sort ofroutine.
So I get there and the frickinggirl behind the counter looks
at me and JJ, and goes, it'sonly for figure skaters.
(49:29):
And I'm like, uh, excuse me, weare figure skaters.
And I'm like, excuse me, we arefigure skaters.
And it's 6 am.
I was like, do you see thistall, skinny body?
I am clearly a figure skater.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I'm wearing my leggings.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I'm literally wearing my leggings.
Call me Adam Rippon.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, that's an ass.
She goes A butt.
Sorry, that's a butt, he's notan asshole, that she goes, but
sorry that's.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
But he's not an asshole, he's, that's a butt.
Continue, sorry, she goes.
Yeah, she goes um.
No, like these people are umtraining for competitions, I was
like, okay, so so am I.
And she's like, well, we don'teven like rent skates this early
in the morning.
And so now, after waking up atfive o'clock in the morning,
dragging JJ out of bed to comejoin me to go ice skating, um,
(50:18):
and all you know, planned onreworking my routine around this
and checking off my, you know,incorporating physical activity
into my uh day more.
I now have to go back at 4 pmtonight after recording, so what
.
Because it's public skate, notfor figure skaters that are, you
(50:41):
know, in competition.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, it is kind of nice because I mean, it doesn't
make much sense why they wouldhave like public skating at 6 am
, because who the fuck is doingthat, kyle, other than you?
Yeah, but 4 pm seems much moreapproachable.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
That's what I want to go because there's like way
more space.
There's only like 10 people outon the ice.
There's like you can make areservation for up to 300 people
.
Wow, the other one is maxed outat like 30.
So we'll see how this goes, butif it doesn't go well and I
want to get into the 6 am classI will get into that class.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
We can do a spell.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
We'll do a spell, I will order my own skates.
I'll have them custom made.
I'll sew my own costume.
You can bedazzle it.
Oh my God, I'm so in this now,jj, and I will be like um blades
of glory, yeah, which is?
That's where I knew that celinedion's yeah wait, I love this,
(51:36):
okay, well guys, we talked a lotabout various topics today
what's your?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
victory that was just your like no, that was my like
things combined.
Oh, like I'm trying toincorporate these new things and
you are gonna go tonight, yeahI feel like I there's sometimes
the things you just do and I'mlike I just want to be there.
You want to come?
No, I want to be there with thecamcorder, as a proud mom.
That's my baby out there,because I'm so confident they're
going to be phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Just wait until I'm in my bedazzled onesie.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Wait, I do have a catsuit that's black and
bedazzled, with a tail.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
No, it's like the arms and legs are stretchy type
thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, you'd look great in that.
Yeah, do you see how often Igive you compliments?
Yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I give you some every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, and I love languages, words of affirmation,
so if you could tick that up,that'd be phenomenal.
Okay, appreciate you Great.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Mine is touch, so if you could get down, ew, ew, kyle
.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, you load all the time.
You're like don't touch me as abit.
So true, that's a protectionmechanism, so true.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, okay.
Well, thanks for listening tothis week's episode.
We will be back in two weekswith a new topic and we can't
wait to hear from you guys.
So if you have questions aboutwhat it means to be a sommelier,
if you have questions aboutsober January or other health
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about your own experiencesmanaging your cravings, if you
want to talk about ADHD andfinding your routine and sex and
, of course, sex we want to hearabout that too.
So you can write us atunfamouslyandwell at gmailcom,
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Speaker 1 (53:27):
Okay, until next episode we wish you well.
Was that you popping a bottle?
That was cute.
That was cute.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Unfamously
Unwell, the unrated podcasthosted by your two favorite
Seattle homosexuals on a journeyto higher health.
Listen each week as we deepdive into a new topic and give
you all the dirty details of oursuccesses and failures along
the way.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
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We'd love to hear from you andshare your stories on the pod.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
We'll see you back here next week for another
unhinged episode of UnfamouslyUnwell.
Unrated.
Well, for a part of our soft open, because I fucking
forgot to mention it when werecorded the first episode of
this season, you can addmodeling to my resume.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm surprised that's not like your.
Wasn't your like victory?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know I just it completely lost.
Left my brain when we wererecording, and I've thought
about it every day since.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Tell our viewers what you did, sir Listeners, because
we don't have any video, butyou know what I mean.
One of these days.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, this individual had messaged me.
Did he ever message you onInstagram months ago Talking
about doing a photo shoot, and Iwas like I don't want to pay
for that, I don't need to dothat, but it's like their whole
like.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wait, they offer like a service.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, their whole like stitch is they do like
defining binary, so it's likeboudoir meets Defining or
defying.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Defying, like defying gravity, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, Boudoir photos meets like sexual or gender
fluidity type thing is theirvibe.
So anyway, I never followedback up with them.
And then I was at softballpractice two weekends ago and I
get a message and he had sent methe sorry, they had sent me the
inspo pics and it was likebased on Tate McRae, it's called
(01:17):
Two Hands, and I thought that Iwas going to be the nude model.
Oh yeah, so I'm at softballpractice and I'm like sure I'll
come, but I need to go home andshower.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And then I'm like yeah, I'm upstairs trying to
trim my hoo-ha as fast aspossible and I'm like I have
nail polish only on three of thetoes.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And I'm like, what the heck?
And then I'm like, okay, I havea couple of acne that I need to
shave and I get all of thisdone, and then I go as I'm
driving over there, I'm readingthe message again and it says
the hand so two hands yeah, so Iget there, I did.
and again I, when I was thinkingabout afterwards, like a random
person messaged me on instagramand I agreed to do nudie shots
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at his apartment.
I just showed up there and I,you know, and I'm always like I
don't know how that happened tome.
Well, caleb, look at yourdecisions.
So I go and he has a full likephoto shoot set up in there and
I'm like, wow, this is seriousand this tall man, this hunk of
(02:21):
a man with muscles.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Show me a picture.
Oh my God he is.
I know those tits are.
We'll have to post something toInstagram.
Whenever they post a photoshoot.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'll put it on Instagram by the time this comes
out.
Maybe I can post it.
Anyway, I get there and he's infull lingerie Hot, hot, hot,
hot.
What do you mean by lingerie?
So like a little skimpy underbritches?
Okay With like lace and it'slike a one piece body suit, like
kind of like a oh yeah.
A swimming, a bathing suit.
(02:48):
That's one piece, but it's alllike lace and his pecs are just
it's a thong with like a littleskirt over.
It's beautiful.
Um, he embraces me for like aminute.
He was like we're about to beintimate, so like let's just get
it out of the way.
I'm like, okay, okay, fellasleep gently on his head, on
his chest um and then.
So the idea is my hands arewrapped around him like two
(03:09):
hands on this person's body, andI'm tucked and squatted behind
him, but they're.
The whole idea is to not see me.
Luckily, this man has musclesto the gods.
But like I'm behind him, mynose is between his butt, cheeks
, and my hands are like movingall over his body that I can't
see.
And then he turns around.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So you're like covering his dick or something.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, like all over his body, like up his chest, like
just two hands on him.
I put him in differentpositions.
It's like over his crotch.
Then he turns around.
I put him on his ass and youknow when he turns around his
dick is to my nose, there's alittle cage on it and like I'm
looking up at him talking andhe's like, oh, it's like what do
you do for work, my neck or hisdick on my nose?
He had my lingerie, meshirtless, my hands on his ass,
(03:52):
cheeks, I'm a hospice nurse thisis what I wanted that would be
a lot of work.
Honestly, I couldn't do.
That couldn't be a model a lotof work, to do what you do too,
yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, um, but then afterwardsthe photographer was like oh,
since you came and helped lastminute, I'll take some photos of
(04:12):
you.
So I wore this like skimpy lacyunder britches and did some
photos and I haven't gotten theback yet, so we we shall see,
yeah, but add model to theresume.
Model comma end.
Comma end of sentence period.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I am a model and model employee, that just adds
to your unfamousness, yeah and amodel employee.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Also, we celebrated a friend last night for their
birthday.
Happy birthday, but we went anddid karaoke.
So it it was funsies, it was alot of fun.
Oh, and we saw that man whosang ave maria in the original
key months ago.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh yeah, we talked about that, the phineas and ferb
night.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah so he sang ave maria and I was like I remember
being in love with him.
Then I saw him.
I was like, oh, maybe not he.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I made eye, contact him with him while I was singing
celine dion and I was like Iremember being in love with him.
Then I saw him.
I was like oh, maybe not.
I made eye contact with himwhile I was singing Celine.
Dion and I was like, oh, that'sthe Ave Maria guy.
So I, after the Celine Dionsong, went to go get you and I
was like, oh yeah, the guy thatyou were crushing on, who was
saying Ave, Maria.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And that high of a key is here, so we go.
Are you going to sing?
Yeah, and that high of a key ishere, so we go.
Are you going to sing?
He's like no, that was backwhen I was drinking and I
pointed at his beer.
It's a zero ABV, Uh-huh.
And then he's sober now, but inmy brain I'm like you don't
know if you're going to sing,but you came here to get a
(05:42):
non-alcoholic beer by yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, and you have a voice like that.
It doesn't require alcohol inorder to hit those notes.
If anything, your vocaltraining has taught you that you
probably do better with alcoholin your system Because you have
better breath control.
I don't know.
(06:04):
I thought he was going to slaythe house down boots.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But no, boots were had.
No, he sank fine, but he didn'thit any of these keys or notes
or any pitches and I'm likepotential was lost.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I don't know, he just was so nervous, yeah, and I've
never seen that side of I guess.
I only met him one other time.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Speaking of dentists.
Recently you come after we walkaway you say did you see his
teeth?
They're bad.
They're worse than yours, caleb.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
But, caleb, yours are doing so much better.
You got a crown and I got mylittle brackets removed.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know what, and on this podcast you come across as
really kind, but last night Iwanted to smack you in your face
.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
What did I do when but last?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
night I wanted to smack you in your face.
What did I do when you saidthat comment?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That wasn't even about you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It was about someone else.
You insulted him, but then youwere like insulting me at the
same time which is funny, butI'm like it was like a
backhanded insult.
Yeah, and I was like it's likeI insulted someone else, but you
caught the ricochet.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Wow yeah, and I was hoping you'd go up and sing and
you did laugh.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You would go up and sing again and I would burlesque
you and pull the mic orsomething.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The backing track Acapella.
Oh, you know I would go intoacapella.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Oh I know, yeah, very true, very true, but overall it
was a fun night.
We got home at a decent hour.
We had some food.
I had my first peanut buttersauce on a noodle.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, caleb's never had peanut sauce before, no,
okay.
Well, this week we're going totalk about a couple different
topics, but they all kind of tieback to a month of sobriety
that I tried out as part of mywellness journey back in January
(07:46):
.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Obviously, silent, dry January yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I didn't want to make a big deal about it, because I
I felt like you guys were goingto like pressure me into
drinking or something, which Idon't know why.
I felt like that, because whenI was doing my like juice
cleanse, you were verysupportive, but I don't know.
I just like I kept likesubstituting, when you guys
would like have drinks orwhatever, with like one of those
(08:12):
um, what's the shroomy StJuniper?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
St yeah, is it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
St Juniper.
Something like that was thename of the like bottle that we
had, but yeah, but I think itwas like lion's mane there's
like kin ashwagandha yeah, kineuphorix is one of them.
There's like a bunch ofdifferent like alcohol
alternatives out there now yeah,which we were just talking
about.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
We want to do that as an episode.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, whether it's like gummies or drinks or all
the coffee mushroom oh my goshmushroom like, like all of these
functional mushroom beveragesthat are out there.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Like no psilocybin in them.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And I just ordered a 12 pack of three different types
of them, called like moonwalkor moon can.
So those will come in this week.
So, and then I'm going to ordera few other items so we can do
a whole episode on that, liketry it for a while and replace
it, like not in addition toalcohol, but just only have
those things and see, yeah,report back how we felt, yeah or
didn't feel so that's to come,but this week's episode I
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thought that I'd start off bykind of explaining what it means
to be a sommelier, because thiskind of all ties into alcohol
and not drinking for a month andall that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So I figured we'd start there and I feel like,
well, let me start by asking you, caleb, like what do you think
a sommelier is?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I've interacted with one of them once in besides me
yes, okay, in vegas, and theywere like talking about the wine
, the notes of of it, what itpairs well with, and you know it
fell on deaf ears.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is that at a restaurant?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, it is in Vegas, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And you know it fell on deaf ears so you asked like
hey, um, I'm not sure which wineto order.
Can we speak to the sommelier?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, I think he just came up to us, but he actually
did listen, because even thenthis was a couple years ago I
was still on my Riesling kick.
And he gave a bottle of like2011 Riesling and it was
actually so good.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, it was so good.
Rieslings age really well,because they have like higher
sugar content usually and higheracidity, so they usually, like,
are more age worthy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so that's my only interactions with them
other than you, because everyonce in a while I'll find that
like uh on instagram and it'slike what wine pairs well with
this.
It'll be like thanksgivingdishes or different types of
chips or soups or, you know,canned meat I would love to what
goes around with spam.
And then I like then I alwayslike to like, ask you and be
(10:41):
like what do you think goes withthis?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
yeah, sometimes I'll get the same answer.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but a lot of them were like very weird, very,
very weird, right, yeah, likeone of them was like a red wine.
You were like why would you doa red wine with?
That?
Doesn't make any sense.
I was like, and I trust mysommelier kyle because he's a
level two, that's right.
So oh yeah, sorry, give them adefinition okay.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
well, I think that, like a lot of people um picture
a sommelier as like one of thosepeople that like get up on like
stage and they have like abunch of like wine poured in
glasses and they just kind of gothrough and they like taste
them really quickly and thenthey like can identify the year
that and the varietal and themaybe the um, the producer or
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winemaker that made that wineall from like a smell or a taste
, and I think that that's like afun um party trick that some
really great sommeliers can do.
But in general, um, it's notthat.
It's really more about, like,what you experience at the
restaurant, which is experienceat the restaurant, which is a
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sommelier is someone who is awine scholar.
They study wine and they know alot about the different types of
wine grapes that grow inspecific regions and they can
predict what a wine is going totaste like based off of who made
it, where it came from, thevarietals that are in it, and
they're good at especially ifyou work in a restaurant at
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pairing that with whatever foodyou're going to have, right, so
that, in general, is what asommelier does, and eventually
we'll do an episode where we can, like blind taste some wines
together and I think that wouldbe a really fun thing to do.
Um, but being in the winebusiness, it really like um kind
(12:35):
of got me on this track ofdrinking wine like every night,
and I like every day after workI would have a glass of wine, or
during work, you were.
Yeah, because you literallyhave to drink wine in order to
start to memorize what thosewines taste like and why they
taste that way.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You need repetition.
Exactly that's what I'm justworking towards.
There's not a sommeliertraining.
Exactly With your boxed wine.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I wonder if there's a boxed wine sommelier
certificate that you could get.
Like I tried them all, that'ssomething I would actually try
Like keep your little couponcodes you know and submit them
to the sommelier service and seeif you can get a pin.
Yeah to Franzia, Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
So like it sounds like the whole purpose of a
sommelier, or like why arestaurant would hire them, is
to add to the customerexperience, right Like, so that
way they're having the bestadvice, suggestions.
It also helps them sell morebecause someone's talking so
knowledgeably about it and if Igo to, if I'm having a nice
dinner, it adds to my experienceif I have a nice bottle of wine
(13:39):
with it.
So it sounds like that's thewhole premise of it is to be a
resource of information.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's that, and usually there are different
levels of sommelier within arestaurant and, like, a higher
level sommelier will be incharge of building the beverage
menu for a restaurant.
So they will decide which winesto import from or buy from
importers or distributors andthey will, you know, create the
(14:09):
wine list that customers canselect from.
So they're the expert in everysingle bottle that's on that
menu and then they, you know,train the other sommeliers as to
what flavor profiles and whatto pair them with.
So, anyways, that experience inthe wine industry just kind of
had me drinking wine everysingle night and I just needed
(14:31):
like a hard reset, and one.
I think that I did it becauseaddiction, like alcohol
addiction, runs in my family andI don't know that like I would
say that I was like dependent onit to like, you know, go to
(14:52):
sleep at night or what have you.
But I definitely like got usedto it and it definitely wasn't
having any like positive effectson my life.
And and also, like, when youget accustomed to having a glass
of wine at the end of likeevery shift or you're tasting
(15:14):
wine from different distributorsthroughout the day, then it
just becomes, like you know,just a general part of everyday
life and it becomes likehabitual and the like US Surgeon
general has said now that likeno amount of alcohol really is
like good for you.
(15:35):
Well, no, yeah, it's a toxin,uh-huh.
And so really I just wanted tolike find out, like can I just
take a break for a month?
And like, what kind of likeimpacts is it going to have on
my life?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
That was actually one of my questions.
It's like, what made you do it?
And then why do you think it'spopular to do in January
specifically?
Is it because, like theholidays leading up to it, like
you're drinking a lot more, oris it kind of like, oh, like I'm
starting the gym this year,like, and they go for january,
and that's it like that type ofidea, like a new, fresh start?
(16:16):
Or do you think it's dependingon the holidays?
Or why is january dry january?
So pop it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
See what I did there pop in bottles and bottles or,
you know, lack thereof yeah, Idon't know, I think it's
probably different for everyone,but I think it up.
But afterwards, after like acouple, after like a week or so,
(16:55):
it became more of like um, itwas harder, because of like the
social pressure of it all, tolike go out and enjoy time with
friends without having alcohol.
Just because it's like becomeit becomes second nature to like
walk into a bar and order adrink and no matter the time of
(17:17):
day yeah, and it almost there'salso like this like tell me if
you've ever like felt this waybefore.
But, um, like, do you ever feellike you have to like give a bar
money when you like no, walkinto it?
No, okay, I always feel like,okay, I'm using their space,
(17:37):
like I'm I'm a patron of this,like bar or restaurant or
whatever.
Like I need to like ordersomething yeah, but then that's
why some bars have covers yeah,but usually they like have a
cover so that the prices of thedrinks are less.
So people are buying more.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Oh, I never put those two together yeah I was just
like I have to pay to use theirspace and enjoy the atmosphere
and the music.
Uh well, queer bar needs to geton that bandwagon because their
drinks prices don't change.
Yeah, and they're kind ofpricey.
Which alcohol out here ingeneral is wild, but that when
we went to the karaoke bar lastnight it wasn't that badly
(18:17):
priced but like you can get,okay, wait, I got um, I got a
beer and a soda and it was like16, oh, but they had bud light
for four dollars or mcculture orsomething that's's because
Jamil was really excited aboutit.
No, but I well, I think, becausethe lady she just I really I
told you I was kiki-ing with her.
(18:38):
Because, I was like she onlygot four hours of sleep.
She just moved into her newplace.
We're going to hang out shelives off the Othello station
but she only kept charging mefor like a shot, even though I
got a vodka.
Red bull, wow, she liked youwell.
Yeah, why would you know?
I don't know and then I got ahigh noon.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It was like seven bucks okay that's not as bad,
but it is crazy.
The prices of alcohol, and itlike doesn't surprise me at all
that gen z are, like you know,engaging this whole sober
curious thing Because at the endof the day, okay, yeah, the
(19:15):
Surgeon General says that it's atoxin and no amount is good for
you.
And it's literally so expensiveit's like hundreds of dollars
to rack up a bar tab just forone person If you have like four
or five drinks in a night,which I guess is binge drinking.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
But we're not gonna talk about that, uh who's who's
doing that well, attacking mefor my teeth too, and this I
wasn't attacking you, I was justsaying in general if I have
four or five drinks in a night,then that's probably 100 bucks
oh yeah, that's that's true.
Yeah, that's pricey.
That's that racks up more thanyour my amazon bill a year.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, what do you think about sober curiosity?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I definitely is it real.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Is it like bisexuality?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
no, I just think that people, they it's kind of like
self-awareness.
Like they're like I wonder likewhat this experience would be
without alcohol.
And even just like at the bar,it gives you an activity, like
to drink, yeah, like you havesomething in your hand, you're
doing something while beingaround people.
So the alcohol itself, you know, I think helps with like any
(20:26):
social anxieties or anything andmake people giggle more, like
it's a part of the atmosphere.
And then, like it gives you theactivity and like going to the
bar or to order a drink andwaiting in line, talking to
people in line, like it's awhole activity in itself.
Right, I do.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
What is it about?
Like the alcohol part, like inin, not just like a soda water
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, that's fair, because I think that you even
got that last night.
I think it's a good replacementbecause, again, it's giving you
an activity.
Yeah, and then it also helpspeople not keep asking you all
night do you want to drink?
Why aren't you drinking All ofthis other stuff?
But yeah, I like the idea ofbeing curious about sobriety,
because I also have drinkingabuse in my family, so I support
(21:16):
it.
It's something that I'm on ajourney of figuring out myself,
but yeah, I think people shoulddrink less.
Like the patient I was supposedto admit today had dementia
caused by alcoholism, haddementia caused by alcoholism
because it like not only justyour liver, like your kidneys
can get fucked your heart, yourbrain, all these other things.
(21:37):
Yeah, it's wild and like youget cirrhosis and people, you
can literally get like thosetypes of veins in your throat so
if you vomit it bursts likeyou're bleeding to death I just
started watching the pit oh mygod, it's so good.
I've been telling you about it,yes I.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It is wild the number of ways you can die.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's so accurate, though, like their interactions,
the way that people get talkedto.
There is another.
There's a lot of episodes thathave like wild stuff that goes
on, like it talks about people,like diverting drugs, like the
doctors it talks about, likeabuse from patients that nurses
experience.
So it's wild and there's a lotof drinking involved with a lot
of those patients.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I wonder if, like yeah, people that work in
hospitals abuse drugs the waythat, like Somalis, or people in
tasting rooms abuse alcohol,they literally call it employee
water, like white wine.
White literally call itemployee water, like white wine.
White wine is called employeewater because you just go back
and take a swig when you'rethirsty.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, yeah, because I think drinking is the most
normalized vice.
Yeah, or for substances.
Yeah because even now smokingpeople are like ew, don't do
that.
But if someone's drinking itcould be like 3 pm or 2 pm on a
weekday and people are like, ohyeah, I just went and got a
drink.
That's so normalized andaccepted.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I think it's definitely seen as the least
vice of all substances, but inreality it's like there's a lot
of people who die fromalcoholism or have adverse
health effects from it, orwhatever.
I'm not trying to be preachy oranything, I'm just like
(23:21):
speaking my mind, I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean we would have patients that come in that
are detoxing from it, andthere's this medicine called
Antabuse that like if you takeit and then alcohol is
introduced to your body.
It makes you throw up and.
I've had doctors who have likeprescribed a beer and the
pharmacy brings up a beer for apatient to drink if they're
going through withdrawals butnot while they're on Antabuse no
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, like they try different things, and then we have like CWAS
scoring, which is like everyfour hours we're checking if
you're having tremors, if you'rehaving a problem speaking, if
you're sweating, your alert andorientation, and like we dose
you with lorazepam based on thatnumber, from that score every
four hours.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Lorazepam.
Who took my lorazepam?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And she was like I don't have my lorazepam so I'm
gonna have to drink myself tosleep if it's very on brand with
what we're talking about whichwe did see a guy that looks like
the older brother from WhiteLotus last night yeah and at
first you were like oh, kind of,but then like it really it
really came to fruition.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, jamil, tell us who that is that is, and we'll
tag him.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah okay, we got way off topic, sorry, my bad.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, it's fine Not we, it was me.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
How has your relationship changed with
alcohol after being dry for amonth?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's a good question.
I know I have a lot of them.
Okay, the outcome, I think, ofSober January for me was one
realizing that I didn't needalcohol or to be drunk or tipsy
in order to like have fun,Whether that's at dinner, you
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know, with people that aredrinking, or out of the club or
wherever Like, it's actuallyreally fun to go out and be the
sober one, and sometimes youwant to go home earlier than
everyone else because you know.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Everyone's getting a little bit different vibes than
you're giving.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But besides that, it was just like a good check in.
To be like, oh yeah, actuallyI'm fun without alcohol.
And to be like, oh yeah,actually I'm fun without alcohol
, which I didn't realize Ineeded to know, because every
time I've gone out I've hadalcohol, and that was since I
was 21.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, well, I think I , as someone who's experienced
social anxiety for the firsttime over this last year, it
really does help with that,because it, like I think the
idea why people enjoy is itmakes you like laugh, giggle, do
silly things, but it drowns outall of these like thoughts that
you're having other than fun,thoughts like all the negative,
(26:04):
or like even just kind of blah,like tasks you and chores you
need to do kind of just drownsthem out.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And so it turns off your like prefrontal cortex,
like brain and like higherfunctioning, and so you
literally, you know, are notusing the part of the your brain
that's probably causing you asanxiety.
You're more in in the present,which is kind of nice, just
using your reptilian brain,right, okay, so the other thing
(26:33):
that I was going to say kind ofcame from Sober January was, I
feel like it kind of got my likecravings under control.
You know, like when you'realways around it and it just
(26:54):
becomes like a habit that youhave a glass of wine or a bottle
of wine at the end of everynight, then you don't really
like think about it.
But then when you intentionallylike cut it out for a month,
then you like almost stop thoselike habitual cravings of, just
like you know being used todoing that like as a ritual at
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the end of the day, and it justkind of like helped change that
habit and honestly I think Imight do another like month of
it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'll try it the next month that you do it.
Okay, that'll be good foraccountability.
Well, it sounds like almostsimilar to like when we took
instagram off our phones,because then, when you
eventually go to reach for it.
You start realizing how oftenyou're doing it, yeah, but if I
think about, like, how often Iwas on instagram the day, you're
like, oh, not that much.
But then, like you realize howlike each you had a red light,
you're getting on it.
(27:45):
Or like, every time you go toreach for, you're like, yeah,
I'm fuck, I'm addicted Exactly.
So, it's very similar.
Yeah, I love speaking inmetaphors, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I would also like relate it to my, um, my juice
cleanse that I did, which wasjust for three days, but it's,
you know, hard to compare it to.
You know, a 30 day cleanse fromalcohol, when you're not eating
food for three days because youdon't need alcohol but you do
need food, and so your mind'slike kind of like constantly
like telling your brain that youneed food and, um, but I would
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say it had the same effect,which was I was like craving
chips and you know snacks andsoda and you know whatever
anything to like, just put it inmy mouth all the time, cause I
was like I don't know what elsedo I do?
I like I'll have some chips,you know.
And after like a three dayjuice cleanse, I didn't have
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those sort of like habitual,mindless cravings of like, oh,
my brain's always thinking aboutwhen am I going to have my next
snack or when am I going tohave my next drink, or you know
what is going into my mouth.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Over a lifetime, people spend, on average, 32,098
hours of eating, and so, likechanging that relationship of
like?
Oh, it just becomes habitual.
You start reaching for things,especially when you're stressed,
and like but that's that amountof time they're spending eating
.
So then you had all of you knowbroken down just into days, all
of that time of like.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Wow, I really have to fill a void something that,
like, is so innate and likeyou've done forever, yeah jesus,
what do I even do?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
do I color?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
yeah, do I get on Grindr and just like search for
dick because I have so much time?
I need to fill the void.
I need something in my mouthwell, that's another craving,
yeah but yeah, it's.
It's amazing, like, how muchtime you realize you have in a
day when you're not constantlythinking about, um, what am I
(29:51):
going to put in my mouth?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know what I mean.
Out of context that sounds sowild, but yes, I do know exactly
, Like when, what?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
yeah, when am I going to have a drink?
When am I going to have a snack?
When I'm going to have a puffof my vape?
When I'm going to?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
you know it's like when I'm going to the bathroom,
like there's so many just likethings, you just do the on
autopilot.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, but like when you intentionally like cut all
of that noise out, then I don'tknow it kind of like resets your
brain.
At least it did for me.
I will say, though, that Italked to someone that's a
nutritionist and they also comefrom a background of, like
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mental health and helping peoplewith eating disorders and they
told me that there is noscientific evidence to show that
intermittent fasting or juicecleanses or anything have any
like benefit on your wellbeingfrom a nutritionist's
(30:57):
perspective, and if anythinglike it is used quite frequently
within the population thatsuffers from eating disorders as
kind of like oh, I'm just doingit as an excuse to not eat, and
so I will say it's not foreveryone and it does have its
(31:22):
negative side effects.
For me, I felt like it reallyhelped me get my cravings kind
of under lock.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, I feel like that's what fasting kind of is
too.
Like okay, I can't commit tothree days of doing it, but like
I can commit to 16 hours of noteating.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You know um.
Do you have any tips on ifanyone wants to try dry January?
Like what you experienced, orlike what you did in place of it
, like you ordered your zero ABVbeers, like.
So like what tips experienced?
Or like what you did in placeof it, like you ordered your
zero abv beers, like yeah, solike what tips do you have for
people like, because it isreally hard to do.
So yeah, you would.
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I would say that, yeah, I did like a experiment
with some zero abv beers andthere are some that are good and
some that are not good.
I really enjoyed Corona Zero,like out of all of them, and I
tried the athletic ones becausethose are like really popular
(32:17):
and they're at a lot of bars.
I thought they tasted terrible,but there's this one called
Bero B-E-R-O and it's fromwhat's his name Timothee.
Chalamet no Spider-Man.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Troye Sivan no, the other twink.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, the other lizard, boy.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Holland, tom Holland, tom Holland.
Yeah, he did Umbrella byRihanna, yep.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So hot Tom Holland's brand of zero alcohol beer
Because I guess he's sober too.
Well, I mean that man Not too,because I'm not sober.
Let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right, and you're also not a famous celebrity in
Spider-Man but you're drinkinghis beer.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I am unfamous.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, and you're drinking his beer and I am
unwell.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So yeah, it's his line of beer and his hazy IPA.
I've got to say it's prettygood.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I hate beer.
I hate it.
It feels like I'm eating awhole loaf of bread.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, when it's not real beer, it doesn't really
feel like that.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
It doesn't weigh like that on your tummy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
But also we're going to do another whole episode on
mushrooms.
But I feel like that's a reallygood replacement and doesn't
really have mind-alteringeffects, other than a little bit
of if you have social anxiety.
I feel like it kind of calmsthose social anxiety nerves.
Um, but stay tuned, we'll talkmore about that on another
(33:32):
episode.
Yeah, okay.
So let's talk, uh, aboutcravings that we have on the
daily basis and, caleb, I wantto know what you're craving
today, today.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think I'm kind of going through that slump of god.
I have to eat because, like Ididn't eat until I got home,
like at 12, 30 ish, and I madelike that he had like chicken
cajun pasta and I ate like threebites.
I'm like that's enough, I'mtired.
I'm tired of this activity.
So, like what I'm craving,other than my vape and wine?
(34:06):
I don't really have any, butthen like I'll last week it was
pickles, so I ate like a wholejar of pickles In one day, no,
like two, oh okay.
And I'm always craving Altoids.
I eat at least a can of those aday.
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I got into your car the other day and I was like
yeah, you do so.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I got into your car the other day I was like, wow,
this smells like my grandma'scar.
You would not believe I have alittle garbage can on my uh car.
Every time I go to get gas Iempty it like five or six tins
tins every time.
Every time you wow, it's myfavorite candy, which is weird
and wild, but peppermint, it'sthe red altoids.
Peppermint is my favoriteflavor scent experience because
it tingles.
I just love it and it gives mesomething to put in my mouth
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when I'm driving.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, Maybe you have an oral fixation, yeah, which is
weird because dicks aren'tinvolved in that.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, I haven't had sex this calendar year, what
yeah?
So I gave up sex, sex.
You gave up alcohol for a monthwho wins.
I actually didn't give up sex I, I just like.
I'm not like we talked aboutbefore.
I'm very demisexual and likethe idea of hooking up.
It's like almost like.
The idea of like eating in away is like there's not.
(35:22):
You don't have the craving, yeah, like it's like cake, yeah,
like it tastes good during it,but then afterwards, like you're
kind of like meh, mm-hmm.
And so usually a good rule ofthumb is like if I'm like been
really wanting to have sex withsomeone, I will just like
masturbate and then like that'llkind of give me clarity of like
oh no, I don't need to do that.
I know exactly what it's likebecause the whole idea of having
(35:45):
someone come over or going overthere I hate small talk.
Then we're having to do thesethings and then like I don't
want to take care of that person, yeah, if I'm finished or if
I'm good to go bye, like I don't, it just isn't.
It's.
I think it's like similar to myrelationship with food.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Because then I'll go through a spell.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm like it sounds like you're on Ozempic, you know
, with sex.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, that too.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But I've heard it affects both that like you don't
really have like the cravingsfor like sex, the way that you
don't have cravings for food.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Which is wild, because I look forward to it.
I could see why people getaddicted to sex, but, like to me
, I think it's mostly because,like, idea of sex is connection
and vulnerability and I reallyhaven't been in that era
recently.
I've been looking for it morein friendships than I have
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romantically and my brain tiesromance and connection and
vulnerability with sex.
I'm like I don't want to givethat away to someone stranger.
Yeah, it's making me realizehow all addictions kind of have
a similar underlying theme.
Mm-hmm, a hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
Cause like I could give up sexfor a year easily, but like wine
(36:57):
would be tough, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Mm-hmm.
It's also easier to access.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah yeah, I guess you could go buy sex.
But sex work is work Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I'vedefinitely been craving the dick
that recently.
Maybe it's cause I gave up, youknow, nicotine and um alcohol
and food.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I could tell you cause every time you're on the
couch and I glance at your phonegrinder, grinder grinder,
grinder, grinder For the lastcouple of days.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I just downloaded it, but yeah, girl, it's been
driving.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I mean we saw our other roommate had sex for the
first time in like what a month.
Which is not usual for him.
He usually has it more oftenand he has been glowing the last
two days in such a funny, goofymood.
The weight of the world is offof him and I'm like I wish I
wish sex did that to me.
External validation oh yeah,yeah.
(37:55):
He was like yeah, like somehookups are like having a piece
of pizza, like I want pizza.
But he said this one was like aperfect lasagna with a
wonderfully paired salad, thatsomeone came over with a bottle
of wine and was like you canhave this for free.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It pairs really nicely with that lasagna, oh yay
, yeah, it's wild through theconnections I'm making.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's how he explained this sex versus other
hookups that he's had, and I waslike, wow, if I could have
fancy lasagna all the time, thensure, but it's also wild
because I think about with sex,like when my, when I first start
sleeping with my you know, anyexes, I'm like, yeah, this is
fine and I remember, likejournaling about it, after the
(38:35):
first time I had sex withsomeone who I ended up dating
and I was like it was okay.
But then, like then, the morethat my emotions and stuff like
grow, I'm like this isphenomenal.
Stuff like grow, I'm like thisis phenomenal.
Y'all have to try sex.
It's wonderful.
I don't know if you've everdone it, uh-huh and it's yeah.
So that's the kind of thecorrelation my brain.
Maybe I should do sex therapyto explore why I'm not attracted
(38:57):
to me.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean something's wrong with you if you're not
attracted to me, yeah, so well,let's get into victory and vice,
now that we've kind of umtalked through our topic for
today, um, my victory kind ofties to this.
Okay, great, you start.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Um, so I'm gonna give a little backstory.
I had a date thursday, went toa bar to watch rootball with
friends on friday and then wewent to that on saturday, which
is a lot of social activitiesfor me and you you know, over
the last year I've kind of beenavoiding them because I'm like,
oh, my therapist says it'sbecause I'm afraid to be
vulnerable, which is correct.
But I did all those things andI was reflecting on it today.
(39:37):
I still had social anxiety, butI think of my like give a fuck
meter was kind of lowered.
I was like I'm so tired of likebeing so in my head and
exhausted mentally going to dosocial events and that's why
I've been avoiding them that I'mlike no, I want to experience
(39:58):
it and however I show up toexperience it that day, the
people that I'm around will.
They will enjoy it or not enjoyit, but removing myself from it
isn't doing me any good.
I'm not experiencing life.
So I felt like I had it undercontrol and I, what I did was
especially for the date, becauseI was like, oh god, this is a
(40:18):
lot of effort.
It actually went really well,but in the mirror I'll just
start like hyping myself up likeI'm like wait, you're actually
really funny.
Yeah, wait, you kind of look hotright now like and I was like
give yourself a little wink inthe mirror, yeah, and I'm like
wait, my botox is botoxing.
(40:39):
I said I'm fucking hilariousand I'll tell myself a joke.
And I'm like, and and it, likeit like, because we're just
correcting the things in ourbrains, like telling the
opposite of that.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I actually saw Sia.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
of all people, she said like the singer.
Yeah, anytime you have anegative thought, say out loud
the complete opposite.
And she said, and she said shesays it into the mirror.
And she said after about sixmonths you.
She says it into the mirror andshe said after about six months
you notice a huge change.
Because then you're just likenope, I'm interrupting that.
Negativity with positivity it'salmost like you're looking for
more positive things.
So it's like oh, like I look alittle bloated today.
(41:14):
It's like I look skinny as hell, like it's that idea.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
You need to eat something Right.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
It's like oh my God, are you starved?
Oh my God, where'd you waist isso tiny.
Good thing it's not windy,you'd be blowing away.
I love that, just likeinterrupting those negative
thoughts.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah and so I think that's so good, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I'm gonna start doing that especially as I'm like
walking into the social event.
That's when, like, I get really, really hypercritical.
It's like what do I even say?
Like, am I gonna be funny?
Do I want to hug them?
Do I want to show up a certainlike?
Then I was like you're funny,you're hell.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Checked myself out in the window before I walked in
the other day when I was puttingon an outfit.
You caught me looking at myselfin the mirror, giving myself a
little wink, and you go ew.
I cannot believe you justlooked at yourself like that Ick
.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're a hater.
Oh, don't even get me startedabout hating you.
Hate me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And now you are self-correcting and I love it.
Yeah, and I don't have to beself-conscious about myself
looking at myself in the mirror,because you're gonna be doing
the same thing when have you gotme doing very odd, weird things
?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
often if I'm not on my ipad, who knows why I get
zoomies start clapping like Iwas at the table yesterday.
I was so zoomy wide and I wasjust like but yeah, so that's my
victory and it was such an easy, small thing and it wasn't like
a oh, I need a journal, oh, Ihave to do this.
(42:42):
It was just like I haveliterally 30 seconds to do that
and it really helped, yeah,especially especially on the
date which we've been so syncedup lately on, when we're going
on dates which is wild, wild oneon thursday yeah, you did too,
I did.
And then on tuesday we both haveone yeah, and well then, a
couple of saturdays ago, we bothwent on it the day the same day
(43:05):
.
Yeah, do you remember?
Because?
Then?
Do you remember?
Because then you called me onthe way home.
You're like great, you're awakeand you were telling me about
it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah.
Oh I forgot all about that man,but still no sex, which is fine
for me, yeah, not for me Ihaven't even kissed him, not for
me.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
We're talking about two different people.
We're not like playing ourthird date with the same person,
cause then, isn't it five dates?
You kind of know where you'relike, is it?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I know, on day one I do too, but like, like, I think
one to five, though, like.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
if you're like, oh, like this could be something,
then like, then you're like okay.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Each date kind of like, oh my God, absolutely.
And then, by date five, you'reusually like I could actually
date this person On date one, Iknow if it's like it's going to
go well or not.
It's the other four dates thattell me like if the other person
is going to put in the amountof effort that I need them to,
or like reciprocate, in orderfor it to, like you know, get
past that how would you definewhat a good date is?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
sorry, this is so off topic, but this is so good,
that's good content, likethey're they could.
The reason I ask is becausethey say, like a way to measure
if someone had fun or not, or islike how much they talked about
themselves and so like is, arethey going to think the date it
went well?
If you keep asking themquestions about themselves or
like sharing stuff about youknow know what I'm saying Like
(44:30):
what about the date makes itlike the ease of talking to them
or cause I definitely think mydate Thursday.
There's so many things is greatand I really and I'm excited to
see them again.
There's other people I'm like,yeah, I could, and it's fine,
but it's not like I'm jazzed,yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
You know no-transcript squeezing each
(45:22):
other's legs and you know, madeout in the car and so maybe like
the more like physical touchside of things was good, like
the attraction was there and youknow reciprocal attraction
which makes you know you feelpretty too, so, um, but I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
There's so many things, yeah, yeah well and I
think like there's times, I feellike there's like three where
like one is like absolutely not,it was horrible.
Then there's like the secondone.
You were like it was like fine,and you're like trying to
convince yourself like oh, butthey have all these other good
qualities.
You're like, oh yeah, it was asolid date, which I think I did
with a guy before.
But then there was other times.
I think the third option islike wow, that actually went
(46:00):
really well and I'm excited.
But then there's a level to itwhere it's just because there's
different levels ofvulnerability and there is kind
of how you react differently.
Yeah, okay, what's your um vice?
Oh, you want me to do both?
(46:20):
Yeah, okay, um, I didn't showup for you last week and I have
felt really bad about it sinceum whenever you stayed up late
editing after working all day,oh yeah.
And then you're like oh, theepisode's up and ready to go
live because I told you it wouldmean a lot to me and it did,
(46:43):
but I didn't show up for you.
And about having the socialmedia ready, okay, just
backstory.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Caleb told me after recording the last episode that
it would mean a lot to him if Icould have the edits done by
April 1st, because he wanted tolike do some social media posts
that tied into April fool's day.
So I was up all night, umMonday night, yeah, editing it
all, and and then Caleb didn'tdo anything.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and what I'll say is, when I checked
Buzzsprout, when I was listeningto it, it was like, oh, it's
scheduled for April 2nd.
I was like, okay, because Ialso didn't know you were
staying up, but that stilldoesn't matter.
And so yeah, I didn't show upfor you and I'm really sorry, so
that's my conscience.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Don't let it happen again bitch.
Okay, well, don't talk about myteeth.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
If you could do that, then I'll start doing that,
Okay my victory and vice iscombined into one.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And after the birthday party we had last night
, I decided that I wanted to goice skating at six o'clock in
the morning because the Kraken,the new um ice arena in
Northgate, opened, um, I thinklast year, and I've been wanting
to try it out.
I love ice skating, it's somuch fun and that's when they
(48:05):
have their public skate.
So I convinced um JJ Jamil'spartner or husband to go with me
At 6 am in Northgate.
Yeah, I picked him up at 545.
That's wild.
And the reason that I'm tryingto do this is because, like we
(48:26):
said earlier on the episode andI'm sure we'll have a whole
episode dedicated to it but isthat when you have ADHD, it is
really important to have aroutine and I've been trying to
experiment with different waysto work like physical activity
into my routine and this seemedlike a really good fit because
(48:47):
it's Sundays, it's like early inthe morning, I can go like, uh,
ice skate for an hour, um, getsome physical activity in and
then, you know, get on with therest of my day.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And and it kind of helps you not drink on Saturday
nights, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah.
And so it all just kind of tiedin and it felt like a good, um,
yeah, tie into sober curiosityand um, and just like, yeah,
getting back into some sort ofroutine.
So I get there and the frickinggirl behind the counter looks
at me and JJ, and goes, it'sonly for figure skaters.
(49:29):
And I'm like, uh, excuse me, weare figure skaters.
And I'm like, excuse me, we arefigure skaters.
And it's 6 am.
I was like, do you see thistall, skinny body?
I am clearly a figure skater.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I'm wearing my leggings.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I'm literally wearing my leggings.
Call me Adam Rippon.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, that's an ass.
She goes A butt.
Sorry, that's a butt, he's notan asshole, that she goes, but
sorry that's.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
But he's not an asshole, he's, that's a butt.
Continue, sorry, she goes.
Yeah, she goes um.
No, like these people are umtraining for competitions, I was
like, okay, so so am I.
And she's like, well, we don'teven like rent skates this early
in the morning.
And so now, after waking up atfive o'clock in the morning,
dragging JJ out of bed to comejoin me to go ice skating, um,
(50:18):
and all you know, planned onreworking my routine around this
and checking off my, you know,incorporating physical activity
into my uh day more.
I now have to go back at 4 pmtonight after recording, so what
.
Because it's public skate, notfor figure skaters that are, you
(50:41):
know, in competition.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, it is kind of nice because I mean, it doesn't
make much sense why they wouldhave like public skating at 6 am
, because who the fuck is doingthat, kyle, other than you?
Yeah, but 4 pm seems much moreapproachable.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
That's what I want to go because there's like way
more space.
There's only like 10 people outon the ice.
There's like you can make areservation for up to 300 people
.
Wow, the other one is maxed outat like 30.
So we'll see how this goes, butif it doesn't go well and I
want to get into the 6 am classI will get into that class.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
We can do a spell.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
We'll do a spell, I will order my own skates.
I'll have them custom made.
I'll sew my own costume.
You can bedazzle it.
Oh my God, I'm so in this now,jj, and I will be like um blades
of glory, yeah, which is?
That's where I knew that celinedion's yeah wait, I love this,
(51:36):
okay, well guys, we talked a lotabout various topics today
what's your?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
victory that was just your like no, that was my like
things combined.
Oh, like I'm trying toincorporate these new things and
you are gonna go tonight, yeahI feel like I there's sometimes
the things you just do and I'mlike I just want to be there.
You want to come?
No, I want to be there with thecamcorder, as a proud mom.
That's my baby out there,because I'm so confident they're
going to be phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Just wait until I'm in my bedazzled onesie.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Wait, I do have a catsuit that's black and
bedazzled, with a tail.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
No, it's like the arms and legs are stretchy type
thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, you'd look great in that.
Yeah, do you see how often Igive you compliments?
Yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I give you some every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, and I love languages, words of affirmation,
so if you could tick that up,that'd be phenomenal.
Okay, appreciate you Great.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Mine is touch, so if you could get down, ew, ew, kyle
.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, you load all the time.
You're like don't touch me as abit.
So true, that's a protectionmechanism, so true.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, okay.
Well, thanks for listening tothis week's episode.
We will be back in two weekswith a new topic and we can't
wait to hear from you guys.
So if you have questions aboutwhat it means to be a sommelier,
if you have questions aboutsober January or other health
(53:02):
trends that you guys are seeingout there, or just want to talk
about your own experiencesmanaging your cravings, if you
want to talk about ADHD andfinding your routine and sex and
, of course, sex we want to hearabout that too.
So you can write us atunfamouslyandwell at gmailcom,
(53:24):
and you can reach out to us onInstagram at unfamouslyandwell.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Okay, until next episode we wish you well.
Was that you popping a bottle?
That was cute.
That was cute.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Unfamously
Unwell, the unrated podcasthosted by your two favorite
Seattle homosexuals on a journeyto higher health.
Listen each week as we deepdive into a new topic and give
you all the dirty details of oursuccesses and failures along
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