November 17, 2025 • 24 mins
The brilliant Sarah Lewis and Emma Cooper join the We Are PoWEr Podcast – bringing insight, honesty, and a powerful message for anyone who’s ever thought, “I’m not techie enough.” As leaders within MagTech, the technology team at Manchester Airports Group, they’re proving that building the world’s most intelligent airports takes far more than code – it takes communication, curiosity, and courage.
From law and public service to leading tech transformation, Emma’s career shows how transferable skills can open unexpected doors. Sarah shares how her role as a “translator” bridges the gap between technical ambition and business outcomes – making sense of the acronyms, aligning people across security, operations, retail, and air traffic, and ensuring technology truly works for everyone.
Together, they break down the biggest myths about working in tech, showing that airports operate like entire cities – filled with opportunities for project managers, designers, and problem-solvers of every kind. They discuss inclusion as a driver of innovation, from reverse mentoring and apprenticeships to creating space where every question is welcome.
Their conversation is packed with practical advice for anyone looking to upskill, switch careers, or build confidence in a changing world of work. And beyond the terminals and runways, Sarah and Emma share personal stories of resilience – from skydiving for charity to climbing the Three Peaks in 24 hours – proving that growth often starts by saying yes to something that scares you.
In this episode:
- From law to tech: how transferable skills power transformation
- The real roles behind innovation – PMO, product, service design & more
- Myths about working in technology (and how to overcome them)
- Inclusion, mentoring, and building confidence in new spaces
- Airports as “cities”: connecting tech with real people and outcomes
- Superpowers: curiosity, courage, and translation
Find out more about We Are PoWEr here. 💫
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
This episode is part of our mini podcast and webinar
series in partnership withManchester Airports Group, where
we'll be exploring belonging,representation, and inclusion.
Don't forget to check out therest of the series for more real
stories and practical insights.
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Never imitated, never replicated, singularly
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Everybody's wonderful.
SPEAKER_02 (00:24):
Well, hello and welcome to the podcast.
I'm delighted to be joined bySarah Lewis and Emma Cooper here
on the sofa from Mag Tech.
That sounds like a new startupbrand, doesn't it?
And it's not.
It's an organization that sitswithin the Manchester Airports
group, doesn't it?
Are you talking around 500people now?
(00:44):
500 people and growing, right?
Yeah.
And today we are here to talkabout tech.
And tech is not just aboutturning the computer on and off.
And we had that conversation inour earlier chat, didn't we,
Sarah?
But it's how tech careers aren'tjust for tech people.
So let us start off with in yourvery different roles, Emma.
How would you describe Sarah andher role?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
How would I describe Sarah?
I would describe her asprofessional, uh approachab,
approachable, um and calm.
Yeah.
Sarah.
I'll take it.
Even when you're resetting thecomputer.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
How would I describe Emma?
I would say she is persistent,has to be in the role that you
do.
Very kind and inclusive.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
And what do you think, Sarah, is one of the
misconceptions that you stillhear about working in
technology?
Because often it can be, oh,it's drones and lab coats.
Yeah.
And definitely drones toairports now, I guess.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
It's a thing.
It is.
And I think one of the biggestmisconceptions is you actually
need to be technical to take onthe role.
And yes, there are roles therethat you need that technical
expertise, but that's not justwhat you need in tech.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
What about you, Emma?
What would you say is the kindof the biggest misconception or
myth busting that you've had todo and gone, no, that's
definitely not me.
SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Well, as my family always laugh that they can't
believe that I work intechnology.
Um, but mine isn't the atechnical role in technology.
Um, so you know, what people intheir careers need to see today
and and youngsters coming up isthere's more opportunity, you
know, it's about projectdelivery, project management,
um, as well as the technicalroles, as Sarah says, that are
(02:32):
still needed today, but it's sodiverse now because it is at the
backbone of businesses.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
So, what attracted you into this growing?
Because it is a growing sectorand and particularly as part of
um the one of the largestemployees in the country, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Yeah, so quite a different journey for me.
Um, you know, to the fact thatI've ended up at Manchester
Airport Group in Mag Technology,I never dreamt that I would be
here.
Kids are still laughing, right?
Yeah, kids are still laughingand the husband.
But yeah, um, I mean, two and ahalf years ago, I worked in in
government, I've been ingovernment for 25 years, in
project delivery roles and andyou know, um transformation
(03:11):
projects, but coming to theairport and being in in mag
technology and actually seeingthe difference that um we're
making and the changes thatwe're making, it's it's there,
it's tangible.
You can see what we'redelivering to make a better
customer experience.
SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
And you don't see that coming in.
We always talk about there beingno one set trajectory.
I always try and get that wordin an all-sayer on, quite
frankly, but I wouldn't try.
No, what was I thinking?
Um, but there isn't one straightpath, is there?
It everyone has differentadventures.
A barrister, you trained as abarrister, or you were a
barrister.
SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
I trained as a barrister, qualified as a
barrister, um, and fell intoproject delivery um through that
journey.
So I joined what was known as itwas legal aid board, um, working
for government, and there was ahuge reform programme that we
took on, and I fancied giving ita go and seeing what delivery
looked like, and never lookedback since, and then has kind of
(04:06):
continued that journey intotechnology.
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
And it's it's it's madness because you just talked
about did you know each other?
Obviously, I'm thinking thegovernment's a small place to
wear, right?
SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
Yeah, but we've talked about how it's
remembered.
There's probably we could havecrossed over at any point, but
we never did until we we wereboth at Manchester Airport
Group.
SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
And it is those transferable skills, isn't
there?
Yeah.
You know, what what do you thinkare the key ones that you
brought with you from sort ofgovernment?
Um I didn't even want to liftthe bonnet of that, but there's
like another podcast.
But what do you think are thekey sort of skills that you you
brought over with you?
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think for me it was what it was all about.
I'd grown in the PPM profession,you know, again the
qualifications and been part ofsome major transformation
programmes in in government umand leading such huge teams as
well.
So I had 120 people at one pointacross across all of the
country, you know, um, and thatleadership, um, that's that's
(05:02):
the transferable skills.
And then the technical side andlearning about the airport.
Well, every day is still alearning day at the minute.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
I got I uh um indeed.
I mean, literally every day mustbe a school day because you're
it's it's beyond a workplace ormultiple workplaces with East
Midlands, Stansted, you know,it's it's mammoth, but it's
everything from a you've gotfire brigade, yeah, you've got
retail, you've got security,it's got everything that's into,
isn't it?
It is a city within a city,isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
That's how you feel when you're coming into work,
you feel you're going into alittle city and it's part of
your your your world, isn't it?
It's just this um, yeah, it'sit's just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
And and I think it's brilliant because this podcast
is part of our box set serieswith Manchester Airports group,
and every week I'm talking todifferent people.
I feel like it's just for me tobe honest, because it hasn't I
we we spoke earlier, it's alwaysbeen a dream job of me.
And yes, I'm 100% gonna come andjob shadow one day.
It'll be amazing.
Um, but it because it is so youcan imagine no day is the same,
(06:04):
right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
No, look at that face more.
You don't know what you'relooking into.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Um and what is the thing every day that goes, oh my
gosh, I I I can't believebecause we're also in a changing
world.
Yeah.
Is that what kind of keeps youglued into this tech mag tech
role?
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's really exciting the rate of
growth that we're we are we'rebuilding within MagTech and what
we're trying to achieve.
We're on a we're on a journey tobe the world's most intelligent
airport.
So, what does that bring withit?
And a lot of that is underpinnedby the technology we're bringing
into the team and to theairport, to the operation.
Um, so it's a really excitingtime to see what cut-and-edge
(06:44):
technology we can do foraviation.
SPEAKER_02 (06:46):
And and equally, you need the right people, yeah.
And you know, like at the start,you you are sort of probably
when you were starting off, youryounger Sarah and Emma maybe
wouldn't have thought you wereworking in a tech role, right?
So there'll be people out therelistening or watching thinking,
I'm not techie.
I can't go and work in techbecause I don't have the skills.
(07:09):
What would what advice would yousay to anyone out there that is
thinking tech's not for me?
SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
I think it's I think it comes back to you know the
the roles that Sarah and I havein the in the program delivery
profession.
You know, that that's so broadand can be across so many, you
know, different sectors.
And coming to do it at theairport is is so exciting.
Um and you don't need to havethat technical expertise.
But interestingly, I was talkingto someone the other day about
(07:36):
you know just teaching peoplemore about what is available to
them.
Um, we don't get that in schoolsand in the curriculum today.
It's like, how do we how do webroaden you know people's sort
of um awareness of what theycould do and what is available?
SPEAKER_02 (07:53):
It is, and I know you as an airport group are very
active, um, as a whole group areactive out in schools and
colleges, but it is challengingbecause uh it's trying to get
that information through becausecareer's guidance is limited out
there and the schools are underresourced.
So conversations like this arebrilliant.
Conversations as part of thisseries, I'm really plugging our
other series, but they're reallygreat because the conversations
(08:15):
I'm having are brilliant.
But these are the opportunities,aren't they?
It's it's looking at what otherpeople are doing because
otherwise, how on earth do youknow what you want to do when
you grow up?
When you grow up.
What do you want to want to bewhen you grow up, Sarah?
Still trying to figure that out.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
I've no idea.
Because it's gonna change, isn'tit?
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Technology is changing.
Um rapidly.
From when you joined thebusiness, you will have seen
you're on a growth.
I'm gonna say trajectory againbecause I'm gonna get it right
before the end of the pod right.
But it is on a a growth spurt,so there's got to be big
opportunities out there fortalent in the area, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, that it's just a world ofopportunity for people, but it
it's it's like you say, it'sbuilding that awareness and
showing the different roles thatthere are in tech for people.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
And and even if it's not people at the start of their
career, people who are goingthrough and thinking, oh, I'm
stagnating a bit now, or I needa another adventure, or you
know, um, it's the transferableskills, isn't it?
Now, I you know, I I can reboota computer and I can use Canva
really well, but you know, howhow do you identify as being
tech you?
Because you have every role,don't you, within Mag Tech?
(09:23):
It's got everything in there.
So you've got, you know, you canwork in the business
development, in the projectdevelopment, it's all in there,
isn't it?
So I feel like I'm recruiternow.
I told you, I want to workthere.
I want to work it.
You've sold it.
But is what's the biggesttransfer?
What's the sorry, the thetransferable skill that you use
(09:44):
that has surprised you most thatthink, oh never thought I'd I'd
uh I'd bring that into play sortof from your previous
experiences.
Keeping secrets, I'm obsessedwith the government thing as
well, aren't I?
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
It's a little bit on the mediation, if I use that
word correctly, because you'reyou're in you're in a role where
you've got a lot of engagementto do across the business,
across the teams, across thosewho are far more techie and you
know, we use language thatyou've no idea what they're
talking about.
But a lot of what me and my teamdo is to help shape that, bring
(10:16):
the business in and andtranslate that across so people
understand what we're trying todo and what we're trying to
achieve.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
And you talk about like um we talk about growth
mindset and continuous learning.
You're doing that every day.
How do you keep ahead of that?
Because sometimes it can be abit overwhelming with acronyms
and um and so both within theairport group, but also wider in
technology is you know, theworld is AI, chat GPT,
everything else that goes withit.
(10:43):
Um of a certain age, they'reprobably the only two things I
know, but you know.
Um what surprises you most aboutthis industry?
What have you learned most thatyou thought, oh, look at me, I
know that.
Canva.
SPEAKER_03 (10:57):
I think it's when you know the acronyms in the
airport, you think, oh, I'vemade it, I actually know what
people are talking about, butthere's so many.
We'll do an acronym bingo later.
It's nice to me.
But yeah, it's um it is it andit is because it's growing so
fast, keeping up is is hard.
And um, you know, as Sarah'stalking about before, we're
trying to deliver so much changeto become the world's most
(11:18):
intelligent airports, and umthat's that's you know, dealing
with that day to day and theamount we're trying to deliver
and keeping up is it's it's noteasy.
SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
And keeping planes in the air and customers happy
as well, right?
But what um so someone out thereis listening or watching or
thinking, you know what, I Ifancy that uh or I fancy sort of
lifting the bonnet on what techmight look like.
Are there any sort of resourcesor guidance that you've had
along the way or you've sharedinternally or or people have
used to get in into um magtech,for example?
(11:49):
Anything out there that you say,go have a look at that.
Try before you buy.
SPEAKER_03 (11:52):
So just yeah, and I I think that um for me would
come down to the work experienceopportunities that we offer at
the airport.
I mean, what a great way forpeople to come in if they're
doing their A levels or youknow, graduates come in, etc.
Just come in and see it foryourselves and try it.
Um I mean I've got threeapprentices work work for me at
(12:12):
the moment, and they came in at18, they're 20 now, and just
seeing them grow in theenvironment is just amazing.
But they're seeing the differentopportunities that there are,
you've got to physically see it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
And are you finding your learning from that emerging
talent next gen as well?
Because you've got next newgeneration coming in that are
going to come with their own,having used tablets and phones
probably since the age ofgoodness knows, whatever, there
must be some learn that you'regaining as well.
Reverse mentoring, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
It's massive absolutely, yeah, in terms of
what they already know abouttech and the world that's out
there.
I've got my son telling methings that I can do on his
phone and he's 14.
Yeah.
Um so yeah, we're absolutelylearning from the the next
generation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
And I think that's really key, that knowledge
exchange, isn't it?
And that that and I knowmentoring is something that
you're both really keen on.
And you know, sort of it's thegiving and gaining side, isn't
it?
I think you gain.
Um, and it does, I think it runsthrough a lot.
Who were the who have been yoursort of guiding lights, if you
like, have you gone away?
And what's the best advice sortof they've given you on this
(13:16):
tech adventure?
SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
For me, it was put yourself out there, never say no
to an opportunity.
That's why I'm on this couch.
Still living and breathing ittoday.
Um, but that was the biggestthing for me is as a journey as
I went on from leaving um publicservice where I was a civil
servant, I went out contracting,I was a contractor for 10 years
and really taking that jump.
It was always about puttingyourself out there into the next
(13:41):
thing, into the next industry.
Um, and and that is how I endedup working at MAG nearly three
years ago, is into another newindustry being the aviation
world and kind of going, what'sthis all about?
And here I am, still here.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
And it what has surprised you most about the
industry?
Because obviously the aeroplanesis front and centre.
Yeah, security is probablyanother one, isn't it?
Um the people, what is the thingthat stood out of that?
You go, gosh, I didn't know thathappened.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Just how much yeah, it's how much is involved in
just keeping the operationrunning.
There's so many differentwheels, cogs, people, um, teams,
everything that makes fromwalking through the front door
to leaving that on thataircraft, there's effort along
the way.
SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
Yeah, it's just fascinating the amount that goes
into it.
I mean, I I become a bit of a anaviation geek since joining the
airport and I didn't know whatwas, but you you are you're just
fascinated by it.
So, you know, the opportunitiesyou get to go and see, you know,
um Sarah mentioned before aboutgoing up the air traffic control
tower.
I mean, that was just ahighlight of my last two years.
(14:46):
But I don't even, you know,going around the baggage system
is just still as fascinating.
SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
Did you did you jump on the carousel?
SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Did you have a little go?
You did, didn't you?
I took pictures of two cases.
But no, it's just fascinating tosee and all and when you're like
looking out the office windowand you see the planes take off,
it's all to get those planes inthe sky.
That's our day-to-day job.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
Yeah.
And in a global changing world,transformation is key.
What's the proudest momentyou've had so far working across
digital transmate transformationin this uh amazing environment?
SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
That's a good question.
Yeah.
So at MAG, the highlight for meI think is just it's it's
because it gave me such adifferent opportunity from being
in government for 25 years.
I'm still, you know, it it stillmakes me think today, oh, I
can't believe I'm here, I can'tbelieve it's just over two
years.
(15:40):
And the opportunities I've hadto do different things, like
Sarah just said, the fact thatI'm sat on this couch today, you
know, all those differentopportunities in the private
sector that I didn't have in thepublic sector.
Um and Mag's given me those andit's just been an amazing
journey so far.
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
And what part does inclusion have uh to play in
shaping that digital change aswell?
Because it's it's we talkedabout the acronym and the
languages, but you've you know,this is a an environment that's
been around for an awful longtime and uh you want to make
change.
Not ever it it's hard sometimesto make change happen.
So it's how what what uh how caninclusion really kind of um
(16:17):
boost that, I suppose?
Is it around language, is itaround communication,
leadership?
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
All of the things it's all of that, it's all of
it, and it's creating creatingthe space, it's giving people
the space, it's being honest andopen and as transparent as you
can be.
Um to try and bring people alongthe journey with you to create
that inclusive environment andmake them feel heard, make them
feel that they're inputting intothat journey.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
And what is to make sort of um technology more
inclusive?
You know, um we we talk andfocus a lot around
neurodiversity andneurodivergent mindsets.
Is there anything around thatyou would say I'd really like to
change that to make it morediverse for the future?
To make it how do we make techmore inclusive for all so you
(17:03):
get the best if you likeworkforce in the most diverse
workforce and underrepresentedgroups, etc.?
SPEAKER_03 (17:11):
I think again it just comes to um taking people
on that journey.
Uh and you know, I think somepeop people, especially maybe
people my age when we say like,you know, the kids laugh about
me not knowing tech, it's aboutensuring that people do, you
know, they're not afraid oftech, and then that we can take
them on that journey and youknow, really show them what it
(17:32):
can do for the future um and howit will enhance you know
different roles and changethings, yes.
And like we say, taking topeople on that journey to show
them what it would mean forthem.
SPEAKER_02 (17:44):
And I mean you talk about challenging yourself every
year to raise money for charity.
I do, yes.
What's your highlights?
What's your most favourite andscary thing you've ever done?
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Um so I've done quite a few things.
Uh but I think uh running amarathon, I would say, was a
highlight, but not the bestthing I've ever done.
Probably the worst and loneliestthing I've ever done.
But uh the National Three Peakswas definitely in 24 hours.
It was definitely the mostchallenging thing, but the most
(18:15):
rewarding as well.
Um definitely a highlight.
And what about you, Sarah?
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
One of the most scariest things I've done is
jump out of a plane and workingin.
Yeah, and not at work, right?
SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
Not at work, just want to clarify that.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Absolutely not.
We um decided my brother, um, heturned 21 about 18 years ago,
and decided he wanted to takethe opportunity to do a skydive.
And um, my mum thought it's agreat idea that the whole family
did it.
So we did a family skydive.
It's about eight of us jumpingout of a plane.
Um, yeah, but I again to make medo that, I was doing it for
(18:50):
charity, absolutely.
Yeah.
So at least I know I'm going.
Um, but yeah, so 14 and a halfthousand feet, off we went and
uh and dove to the bottom.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Would you do it again?
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
Um I'm believed my father wants to do it for his
next big birthday next year, andI just got asked at the weekend,
would I do it again?
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Oh, and what is your answer?
SPEAKER_00 (19:10):
Officially here, exclusive here.
I I told my my brother, it'slike, I'll think about that.
Yeah, I'm a lot older now.
SPEAKER_02 (19:18):
And I know you both we talked about mentoring.
What are your do you have anyside hustles?
Because it's, you know, you'vegot these great roles, an
amazing organization, but whatwhat is it the what do you do?
We never have enough time, dowe, in the world.
But what what what do you have aside hustle or your side hobbies
other than three peaks andmarathons?
SPEAKER_03 (19:38):
Well, I'm definitely into like the the exercise and
you know, just um that sort ofmotivates me.
And I think the challenges, thereason I do those challenges is
because it motivates mepersonally, but it helps me in
work grow in confidence and ittakes it back, doesn't it?
It's the learning becausesometimes you think, gosh, well,
if can if I can do a marathon.
Yeah.
I that's what I think.
(19:58):
And I think some of the scarythings you face at work
sometimes, and you know, I justthink, well, I've done this, I
can I can do that.
Um so yeah, but I don't have aside hustle.
My my just outside of work, Ilove cooking.
Um what's your dish of choice?
Uh oh a Sunday roast.
Yeah, gotta do a Sunday roast.
And I do a gravy separate or onthe side?
(20:20):
Oh, that's the same question,isn't it?
So I lay everything out in themiddle of the table.
Cover everybody helpsthemselves.
100%.
Yeah.
It's all it's all good.
It's all good.
If I didn't work at ManchesterAirport, I would own my own
cafe.
That's fine.
I'd cater in.
I should have gone intocatering.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Do you know what?
I'm sure, I'm sure there's spacein the new terminal.
There'll be space in theterminal for sure.
It's okay.
Speak to Nick, you'll speak toChris.
Ah, but you could do deliveryorders or other brands that are
available.
Sarah, what about you, sidehussles?
Because I know you're you're a aqueen of uh Canva.
SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Oh, yeah, so I do that.
I do support our PA uh at schoolfor the kids.
So we've got a 14-year-old and aseven-year-old, so side hussles
probably running around.
Mum's time to do that for thekids, yeah.
But yeah, we use Canva a lot tohelp with the PAs, the
fundraising for the school.
Um probably not got a lot ofother time other apart from
running.
We we we exchange our runningstories, don't we?
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
We do, and Sarah's never joined me yet for a 6am
run around the airport.
SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
But it's going to.
Yes.
And maybe they can be at the skydown if we don't know.
Now I'm gonna ask you to delveinto the power jar.
So the power jar is our jar offun, our jar of questions that
have been left by our previousguests.
Who's gonna who's gonna claimit?
Who's got the slungest arms?
Because it's quite a long way onthe table, actually.
(21:46):
No one's ever shaken it before.
It's a first amount.
There you go, look at that.
Trail blazing, blazing a trail.
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Trail blazing.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
I hope it's a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:55):
I know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
You're stuck on an island and can only bring three
things, what would they be?
Oh, oh gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
Aeroplane?
No?
Yeah, too easy, right?
SPEAKER_03 (22:10):
Like comfort things or any three things.
Because you should go practical,shouldn't you?
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
But oh yeah, stock you for your roasting.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Mine would be my mascara.
Can't go anywhere without mymascara.
Um a book.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
What book would it be?
Well, you're thinking your thirdone.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Oh, that's thrown it in.
I know, but I'm giving you time.
I think another one.
You can film that's a third one.
Something for a cocktail.
You've got to have a cocktail onan island, haven't you?
Cocktails, roast dinners!
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
But no running for me at this moment.
So I do uh I do a bit of wildcamping.
So apart from the wild camping.
So you're definitely gonna layerback in.
You're definitely gonna takeyour wine.
Even have a carrier up themountain.
Um it's easier coming back downthere, right?
(23:07):
It's easier coming and I'vedrunk it, yeah.
And then some firewood, um, andyeah, my sleeping bag.
But you went really practical.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Because we're good together.
SPEAKER_02 (23:19):
And final question: what would you say is your
superpower?
Oh mean, isn't it to throw ineven you've just had the power
jar and everything?
SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
Getting things done.
SPEAKER_02 (23:31):
Cracking on.
Transformation for no reason.
SPEAKER_03 (23:33):
No, exactly.
Emma, what about you?
Um, yeah, pretty similar.
I think um, I think I'mresilient, and I think if I set
my mind on things, uh, I'm 100%in and I'm gonna do it.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Thank you, Emma and Sarah, for joining us.
And thank you for bringing theworld of magtech uh onto our pod
as well.
Because when when technology isinclusive, everyone can be part
of that, can't they?
Yeah, you know, um, and everyoneis welcome.
So please do uh get involved, doget in touch, uh, and you'd be
available to open questionsconnect on LinkedIn,
potentially.
(24:08):
Because if you want to know,because sometimes it's just
knowing what's behind thecurtain, it's a fascinating
environment, and to know thatthere's a whole organisation
there at MagTech as well.
So thank you for lifting theexciting veil on that and look
forward to following uh theprogress.
And thank you so much forjoining us.
And I'll be round for roastdinner and cocktail.
Yeah, not a problem.
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wonderful.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:24):
Well, hello and welcome to the podcast.
I'm delighted to be joined bySarah Lewis and Emma Cooper here
on the sofa from Mag Tech.
That sounds like a new startupbrand, doesn't it?
And it's not.
It's an organization that sitswithin the Manchester Airports
group, doesn't it?
Are you talking around 500people now?
(00:44):
500 people and growing, right?
Yeah.
And today we are here to talkabout tech.
And tech is not just aboutturning the computer on and off.
And we had that conversation inour earlier chat, didn't we,
Sarah?
But it's how tech careers aren'tjust for tech people.
So let us start off with in yourvery different roles, Emma.
How would you describe Sarah andher role?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
How would I describe Sarah?
I would describe her asprofessional, uh approachab,
approachable, um and calm.
Yeah.
Sarah.
I'll take it.
Even when you're resetting thecomputer.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
How would I describe Emma?
I would say she is persistent,has to be in the role that you
do.
Very kind and inclusive.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
And what do you think, Sarah, is one of the
misconceptions that you stillhear about working in
technology?
Because often it can be, oh,it's drones and lab coats.
Yeah.
And definitely drones toairports now, I guess.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
It's a thing.
It is.
And I think one of the biggestmisconceptions is you actually
need to be technical to take onthe role.
And yes, there are roles therethat you need that technical
expertise, but that's not justwhat you need in tech.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
What about you, Emma?
What would you say is the kindof the biggest misconception or
myth busting that you've had todo and gone, no, that's
definitely not me.
SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Well, as my family always laugh that they can't
believe that I work intechnology.
Um, but mine isn't the atechnical role in technology.
Um, so you know, what people intheir careers need to see today
and and youngsters coming up isthere's more opportunity, you
know, it's about projectdelivery, project management,
um, as well as the technicalroles, as Sarah says, that are
(02:32):
still needed today, but it's sodiverse now because it is at the
backbone of businesses.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
So, what attracted you into this growing?
Because it is a growing sectorand and particularly as part of
um the one of the largestemployees in the country, right?
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Yeah, so quite a different journey for me.
Um, you know, to the fact thatI've ended up at Manchester
Airport Group in Mag Technology,I never dreamt that I would be
here.
Kids are still laughing, right?
Yeah, kids are still laughingand the husband.
But yeah, um, I mean, two and ahalf years ago, I worked in in
government, I've been ingovernment for 25 years, in
project delivery roles and andyou know, um transformation
(03:11):
projects, but coming to theairport and being in in mag
technology and actually seeingthe difference that um we're
making and the changes thatwe're making, it's it's there,
it's tangible.
You can see what we'redelivering to make a better
customer experience.
SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
And you don't see that coming in.
We always talk about there beingno one set trajectory.
I always try and get that wordin an all-sayer on, quite
frankly, but I wouldn't try.
No, what was I thinking?
Um, but there isn't one straightpath, is there?
It everyone has differentadventures.
A barrister, you trained as abarrister, or you were a
barrister.
SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
I trained as a barrister, qualified as a
barrister, um, and fell intoproject delivery um through that
journey.
So I joined what was known as itwas legal aid board, um, working
for government, and there was ahuge reform programme that we
took on, and I fancied giving ita go and seeing what delivery
looked like, and never lookedback since, and then has kind of
(04:06):
continued that journey intotechnology.
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
And it's it's it's madness because you just talked
about did you know each other?
Obviously, I'm thinking thegovernment's a small place to
wear, right?
SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
Yeah, but we've talked about how it's
remembered.
There's probably we could havecrossed over at any point, but
we never did until we we wereboth at Manchester Airport
Group.
SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
And it is those transferable skills, isn't
there?
Yeah.
You know, what what do you thinkare the key ones that you
brought with you from sort ofgovernment?
Um I didn't even want to liftthe bonnet of that, but there's
like another podcast.
But what do you think are thekey sort of skills that you you
brought over with you?
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think for me it was what it was all about.
I'd grown in the PPM profession,you know, again the
qualifications and been part ofsome major transformation
programmes in in government umand leading such huge teams as
well.
So I had 120 people at one pointacross across all of the
country, you know, um, and thatleadership, um, that's that's
(05:02):
the transferable skills.
And then the technical side andlearning about the airport.
Well, every day is still alearning day at the minute.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
I got I uh um indeed.
I mean, literally every day mustbe a school day because you're
it's it's beyond a workplace ormultiple workplaces with East
Midlands, Stansted, you know,it's it's mammoth, but it's
everything from a you've gotfire brigade, yeah, you've got
retail, you've got security,it's got everything that's into,
isn't it?
It is a city within a city,isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
That's how you feel when you're coming into work,
you feel you're going into alittle city and it's part of
your your your world, isn't it?
It's just this um, yeah, it'sit's just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
And and I think it's brilliant because this podcast
is part of our box set serieswith Manchester Airports group,
and every week I'm talking todifferent people.
I feel like it's just for me tobe honest, because it hasn't I
we we spoke earlier, it's alwaysbeen a dream job of me.
And yes, I'm 100% gonna come andjob shadow one day.
It'll be amazing.
Um, but it because it is so youcan imagine no day is the same,
(06:04):
right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
No, look at that face more.
You don't know what you'relooking into.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Um and what is the thing every day that goes, oh my
gosh, I I I can't believebecause we're also in a changing
world.
Yeah.
Is that what kind of keeps youglued into this tech mag tech
role?
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's really exciting the rate of
growth that we're we are we'rebuilding within MagTech and what
we're trying to achieve.
We're on a we're on a journey tobe the world's most intelligent
airport.
So, what does that bring withit?
And a lot of that is underpinnedby the technology we're bringing
into the team and to theairport, to the operation.
Um, so it's a really excitingtime to see what cut-and-edge
(06:44):
technology we can do foraviation.
SPEAKER_02 (06:46):
And and equally, you need the right people, yeah.
And you know, like at the start,you you are sort of probably
when you were starting off, youryounger Sarah and Emma maybe
wouldn't have thought you wereworking in a tech role, right?
So there'll be people out therelistening or watching thinking,
I'm not techie.
I can't go and work in techbecause I don't have the skills.
(07:09):
What would what advice would yousay to anyone out there that is
thinking tech's not for me?
SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
I think it's I think it comes back to you know the
the roles that Sarah and I havein the in the program delivery
profession.
You know, that that's so broadand can be across so many, you
know, different sectors.
And coming to do it at theairport is is so exciting.
Um and you don't need to havethat technical expertise.
But interestingly, I was talkingto someone the other day about
(07:36):
you know just teaching peoplemore about what is available to
them.
Um, we don't get that in schoolsand in the curriculum today.
It's like, how do we how do webroaden you know people's sort
of um awareness of what theycould do and what is available?
SPEAKER_02 (07:53):
It is, and I know you as an airport group are very
active, um, as a whole group areactive out in schools and
colleges, but it is challengingbecause uh it's trying to get
that information through becausecareer's guidance is limited out
there and the schools are underresourced.
So conversations like this arebrilliant.
Conversations as part of thisseries, I'm really plugging our
other series, but they're reallygreat because the conversations
(08:15):
I'm having are brilliant.
But these are the opportunities,aren't they?
It's it's looking at what otherpeople are doing because
otherwise, how on earth do youknow what you want to do when
you grow up?
When you grow up.
What do you want to want to bewhen you grow up, Sarah?
Still trying to figure that out.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
I've no idea.
Because it's gonna change, isn'tit?
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Technology is changing.
Um rapidly.
From when you joined thebusiness, you will have seen
you're on a growth.
I'm gonna say trajectory againbecause I'm gonna get it right
before the end of the pod right.
But it is on a a growth spurt,so there's got to be big
opportunities out there fortalent in the area, right?
SPEAKER_03 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, that it's just a world ofopportunity for people, but it
it's it's like you say, it'sbuilding that awareness and
showing the different roles thatthere are in tech for people.
SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
And and even if it's not people at the start of their
career, people who are goingthrough and thinking, oh, I'm
stagnating a bit now, or I needa another adventure, or you
know, um, it's the transferableskills, isn't it?
Now, I you know, I I can reboota computer and I can use Canva
really well, but you know, howhow do you identify as being
tech you?
Because you have every role,don't you, within Mag Tech?
(09:23):
It's got everything in there.
So you've got, you know, you canwork in the business
development, in the projectdevelopment, it's all in there,
isn't it?
So I feel like I'm recruiternow.
I told you, I want to workthere.
I want to work it.
You've sold it.
But is what's the biggesttransfer?
What's the sorry, the thetransferable skill that you use
(09:44):
that has surprised you most thatthink, oh never thought I'd I'd
uh I'd bring that into play sortof from your previous
experiences.
Keeping secrets, I'm obsessedwith the government thing as
well, aren't I?
SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
It's a little bit on the mediation, if I use that
word correctly, because you'reyou're in you're in a role where
you've got a lot of engagementto do across the business,
across the teams, across thosewho are far more techie and you
know, we use language thatyou've no idea what they're
talking about.
But a lot of what me and my teamdo is to help shape that, bring
(10:16):
the business in and andtranslate that across so people
understand what we're trying todo and what we're trying to
achieve.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
And you talk about like um we talk about growth
mindset and continuous learning.
You're doing that every day.
How do you keep ahead of that?
Because sometimes it can be abit overwhelming with acronyms
and um and so both within theairport group, but also wider in
technology is you know, theworld is AI, chat GPT,
everything else that goes withit.
(10:43):
Um of a certain age, they'reprobably the only two things I
know, but you know.
Um what surprises you most aboutthis industry?
What have you learned most thatyou thought, oh, look at me, I
know that.
Canva.
SPEAKER_03 (10:57):
I think it's when you know the acronyms in the
airport, you think, oh, I'vemade it, I actually know what
people are talking about, butthere's so many.
We'll do an acronym bingo later.
It's nice to me.
But yeah, it's um it is it andit is because it's growing so
fast, keeping up is is hard.
And um, you know, as Sarah'stalking about before, we're
trying to deliver so much changeto become the world's most
(11:18):
intelligent airports, and umthat's that's you know, dealing
with that day to day and theamount we're trying to deliver
and keeping up is it's it's noteasy.
SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
And keeping planes in the air and customers happy
as well, right?
But what um so someone out thereis listening or watching or
thinking, you know what, I Ifancy that uh or I fancy sort of
lifting the bonnet on what techmight look like.
Are there any sort of resourcesor guidance that you've had
along the way or you've sharedinternally or or people have
used to get in into um magtech,for example?
(11:49):
Anything out there that you say,go have a look at that.
Try before you buy.
SPEAKER_03 (11:52):
So just yeah, and I I think that um for me would
come down to the work experienceopportunities that we offer at
the airport.
I mean, what a great way forpeople to come in if they're
doing their A levels or youknow, graduates come in, etc.
Just come in and see it foryourselves and try it.
Um I mean I've got threeapprentices work work for me at
(12:12):
the moment, and they came in at18, they're 20 now, and just
seeing them grow in theenvironment is just amazing.
But they're seeing the differentopportunities that there are,
you've got to physically see it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
And are you finding your learning from that emerging
talent next gen as well?
Because you've got next newgeneration coming in that are
going to come with their own,having used tablets and phones
probably since the age ofgoodness knows, whatever, there
must be some learn that you'regaining as well.
Reverse mentoring, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
It's massive absolutely, yeah, in terms of
what they already know abouttech and the world that's out
there.
I've got my son telling methings that I can do on his
phone and he's 14.
Yeah.
Um so yeah, we're absolutelylearning from the the next
generation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
And I think that's really key, that knowledge
exchange, isn't it?
And that that and I knowmentoring is something that
you're both really keen on.
And you know, sort of it's thegiving and gaining side, isn't
it?
I think you gain.
Um, and it does, I think it runsthrough a lot.
Who were the who have been yoursort of guiding lights, if you
like, have you gone away?
And what's the best advice sortof they've given you on this
(13:16):
tech adventure?
SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
For me, it was put yourself out there, never say no
to an opportunity.
That's why I'm on this couch.
Still living and breathing ittoday.
Um, but that was the biggestthing for me is as a journey as
I went on from leaving um publicservice where I was a civil
servant, I went out contracting,I was a contractor for 10 years
and really taking that jump.
It was always about puttingyourself out there into the next
(13:41):
thing, into the next industry.
Um, and and that is how I endedup working at MAG nearly three
years ago, is into another newindustry being the aviation
world and kind of going, what'sthis all about?
And here I am, still here.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
And it what has surprised you most about the
industry?
Because obviously the aeroplanesis front and centre.
Yeah, security is probablyanother one, isn't it?
Um the people, what is the thingthat stood out of that?
You go, gosh, I didn't know thathappened.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Just how much yeah, it's how much is involved in
just keeping the operationrunning.
There's so many differentwheels, cogs, people, um, teams,
everything that makes fromwalking through the front door
to leaving that on thataircraft, there's effort along
the way.
SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
Yeah, it's just fascinating the amount that goes
into it.
I mean, I I become a bit of a anaviation geek since joining the
airport and I didn't know whatwas, but you you are you're just
fascinated by it.
So, you know, the opportunitiesyou get to go and see, you know,
um Sarah mentioned before aboutgoing up the air traffic control
tower.
I mean, that was just ahighlight of my last two years.
(14:46):
But I don't even, you know,going around the baggage system
is just still as fascinating.
SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
Did you did you jump on the carousel?
SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Did you have a little go?
You did, didn't you?
I took pictures of two cases.
But no, it's just fascinating tosee and all and when you're like
looking out the office windowand you see the planes take off,
it's all to get those planes inthe sky.
That's our day-to-day job.
SPEAKER_02 (15:05):
Yeah.
And in a global changing world,transformation is key.
What's the proudest momentyou've had so far working across
digital transmate transformationin this uh amazing environment?
SPEAKER_03 (15:20):
That's a good question.
Yeah.
So at MAG, the highlight for meI think is just it's it's
because it gave me such adifferent opportunity from being
in government for 25 years.
I'm still, you know, it it stillmakes me think today, oh, I
can't believe I'm here, I can'tbelieve it's just over two
years.
(15:40):
And the opportunities I've hadto do different things, like
Sarah just said, the fact thatI'm sat on this couch today, you
know, all those differentopportunities in the private
sector that I didn't have in thepublic sector.
Um and Mag's given me those andit's just been an amazing
journey so far.
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
And what part does inclusion have uh to play in
shaping that digital change aswell?
Because it's it's we talkedabout the acronym and the
languages, but you've you know,this is a an environment that's
been around for an awful longtime and uh you want to make
change.
Not ever it it's hard sometimesto make change happen.
So it's how what what uh how caninclusion really kind of um
(16:17):
boost that, I suppose?
Is it around language, is itaround communication,
leadership?
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
All of the things it's all of that, it's all of
it, and it's creating creatingthe space, it's giving people
the space, it's being honest andopen and as transparent as you
can be.
Um to try and bring people alongthe journey with you to create
that inclusive environment andmake them feel heard, make them
feel that they're inputting intothat journey.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
And what is to make sort of um technology more
inclusive?
You know, um we we talk andfocus a lot around
neurodiversity andneurodivergent mindsets.
Is there anything around thatyou would say I'd really like to
change that to make it morediverse for the future?
To make it how do we make techmore inclusive for all so you
(17:03):
get the best if you likeworkforce in the most diverse
workforce and underrepresentedgroups, etc.?
SPEAKER_03 (17:11):
I think again it just comes to um taking people
on that journey.
Uh and you know, I think somepeop people, especially maybe
people my age when we say like,you know, the kids laugh about
me not knowing tech, it's aboutensuring that people do, you
know, they're not afraid oftech, and then that we can take
them on that journey and youknow, really show them what it
(17:32):
can do for the future um and howit will enhance you know
different roles and changethings, yes.
And like we say, taking topeople on that journey to show
them what it would mean forthem.
SPEAKER_02 (17:44):
And I mean you talk about challenging yourself every
year to raise money for charity.
I do, yes.
What's your highlights?
What's your most favourite andscary thing you've ever done?
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Um so I've done quite a few things.
Uh but I think uh running amarathon, I would say, was a
highlight, but not the bestthing I've ever done.
Probably the worst and loneliestthing I've ever done.
But uh the National Three Peakswas definitely in 24 hours.
It was definitely the mostchallenging thing, but the most
(18:15):
rewarding as well.
Um definitely a highlight.
And what about you, Sarah?
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
One of the most scariest things I've done is
jump out of a plane and workingin.
Yeah, and not at work, right?
SPEAKER_02 (18:26):
Not at work, just want to clarify that.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Absolutely not.
We um decided my brother, um, heturned 21 about 18 years ago,
and decided he wanted to takethe opportunity to do a skydive.
And um, my mum thought it's agreat idea that the whole family
did it.
So we did a family skydive.
It's about eight of us jumpingout of a plane.
Um, yeah, but I again to make medo that, I was doing it for
(18:50):
charity, absolutely.
Yeah.
So at least I know I'm going.
Um, but yeah, so 14 and a halfthousand feet, off we went and
uh and dove to the bottom.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
Would you do it again?
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
Um I'm believed my father wants to do it for his
next big birthday next year, andI just got asked at the weekend,
would I do it again?
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Oh, and what is your answer?
SPEAKER_00 (19:10):
Officially here, exclusive here.
I I told my my brother, it'slike, I'll think about that.
Yeah, I'm a lot older now.
SPEAKER_02 (19:18):
And I know you both we talked about mentoring.
What are your do you have anyside hustles?
Because it's, you know, you'vegot these great roles, an
amazing organization, but whatwhat is it the what do you do?
We never have enough time, dowe, in the world.
But what what what do you have aside hustle or your side hobbies
other than three peaks andmarathons?
SPEAKER_03 (19:38):
Well, I'm definitely into like the the exercise and
you know, just um that sort ofmotivates me.
And I think the challenges, thereason I do those challenges is
because it motivates mepersonally, but it helps me in
work grow in confidence and ittakes it back, doesn't it?
It's the learning becausesometimes you think, gosh, well,
if can if I can do a marathon.
Yeah.
I that's what I think.
(19:58):
And I think some of the scarythings you face at work
sometimes, and you know, I justthink, well, I've done this, I
can I can do that.
Um so yeah, but I don't have aside hustle.
My my just outside of work, Ilove cooking.
Um what's your dish of choice?
Uh oh a Sunday roast.
Yeah, gotta do a Sunday roast.
And I do a gravy separate or onthe side?
(20:20):
Oh, that's the same question,isn't it?
So I lay everything out in themiddle of the table.
Cover everybody helpsthemselves.
100%.
Yeah.
It's all it's all good.
It's all good.
If I didn't work at ManchesterAirport, I would own my own
cafe.
That's fine.
I'd cater in.
I should have gone intocatering.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Do you know what?
I'm sure, I'm sure there's spacein the new terminal.
There'll be space in theterminal for sure.
It's okay.
Speak to Nick, you'll speak toChris.
Ah, but you could do deliveryorders or other brands that are
available.
Sarah, what about you, sidehussles?
Because I know you're you're a aqueen of uh Canva.
SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Oh, yeah, so I do that.
I do support our PA uh at schoolfor the kids.
So we've got a 14-year-old and aseven-year-old, so side hussles
probably running around.
Mum's time to do that for thekids, yeah.
But yeah, we use Canva a lot tohelp with the PAs, the
fundraising for the school.
Um probably not got a lot ofother time other apart from
running.
We we we exchange our runningstories, don't we?
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
We do, and Sarah's never joined me yet for a 6am
run around the airport.
SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
But it's going to.
Yes.
And maybe they can be at the skydown if we don't know.
Now I'm gonna ask you to delveinto the power jar.
So the power jar is our jar offun, our jar of questions that
have been left by our previousguests.
Who's gonna who's gonna claimit?
Who's got the slungest arms?
Because it's quite a long way onthe table, actually.
(21:46):
No one's ever shaken it before.
It's a first amount.
There you go, look at that.
Trail blazing, blazing a trail.
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Trail blazing.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
I hope it's a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:55):
I know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
You're stuck on an island and can only bring three
things, what would they be?
Oh, oh gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
Aeroplane?
No?
Yeah, too easy, right?
SPEAKER_03 (22:10):
Like comfort things or any three things.
Because you should go practical,shouldn't you?
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
But oh yeah, stock you for your roasting.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Mine would be my mascara.
Can't go anywhere without mymascara.
Um a book.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
What book would it be?
Well, you're thinking your thirdone.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Oh, that's thrown it in.
I know, but I'm giving you time.
I think another one.
You can film that's a third one.
Something for a cocktail.
You've got to have a cocktail onan island, haven't you?
Cocktails, roast dinners!
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
But no running for me at this moment.
So I do uh I do a bit of wildcamping.
So apart from the wild camping.
So you're definitely gonna layerback in.
You're definitely gonna takeyour wine.
Even have a carrier up themountain.
Um it's easier coming back downthere, right?
(23:07):
It's easier coming and I'vedrunk it, yeah.
And then some firewood, um, andyeah, my sleeping bag.
But you went really practical.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Because we're good together.
SPEAKER_02 (23:19):
And final question: what would you say is your
superpower?
Oh mean, isn't it to throw ineven you've just had the power
jar and everything?
SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
Getting things done.
SPEAKER_02 (23:31):
Cracking on.
Transformation for no reason.
SPEAKER_03 (23:33):
No, exactly.
Emma, what about you?
Um, yeah, pretty similar.
I think um, I think I'mresilient, and I think if I set
my mind on things, uh, I'm 100%in and I'm gonna do it.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Thank you, Emma and Sarah, for joining us.
And thank you for bringing theworld of magtech uh onto our pod
as well.
Because when when technology isinclusive, everyone can be part
of that, can't they?
Yeah, you know, um, and everyoneis welcome.
So please do uh get involved, doget in touch, uh, and you'd be
available to open questionsconnect on LinkedIn,
potentially.
(24:08):
Because if you want to know,because sometimes it's just
knowing what's behind thecurtain, it's a fascinating
environment, and to know thatthere's a whole organisation
there at MagTech as well.
So thank you for lifting theexciting veil on that and look
forward to following uh theprogress.
And thank you so much forjoining us.
And I'll be round for roastdinner and cocktail.
Yeah, not a problem.
(24:29):
Thank you.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
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