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October 28, 2020 84 min

In this episode, Jess speaks with Michael Hebb, founder of “Death Over Dinner” and the “End of Life Collective.” The groundbreaking work of both of these organizations in helping to normalize death and dying and democratize resources for end of life support have both served as huge inspirations in Jess’s journey to better understand the fragility and urgency of life. 

In this interview, Jess and Michael explore how destructive the path of dying has become the last few decades -- particularly in the field of medicine -- where there is often no real connection to end of life needs and rituals. Michael shares wisdom on the beauty of human connection and vulnerability, emphasizes a necessary collective shift in our perspective on dying, and he and Jess both reflect on how our wounds and pain can also provide a path to understanding and healing. 


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