November 7, 2025 • 28 mins
Bobo flies solo to bring you a bigfoot story from Judi, a woman who recounts an experience involving a strange and 'squatchy occurence near Hoopa, California!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
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All right, folks, Hello, this is Bobo Going Beyond. Cliff
Cliff's not here. This is a little bonus episode. So
I'm just doing some kind of side ones to get
guests more some more little information or entertainment, whatever you
call it. But today we're welcome. Judy come to us
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from uh, Georgia, but originally from Texas, and she's gonna
tell us an interesting story here. Hello Judy, Hey, how
you doing good? Good things? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm good? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So you know what I actually it's been a few
months since we got the original email, and I can't
remember that. I remember it intrigued me and I wanted
to talk to you, and you didn't even want to
make a reporter go on the you know, yeah, on
a podcast. You're just letting us know a story. And
then I contacted you and I said, hey, I'm going
to be doing this thing, you know, like some bonus
episodes stuff, and you agreed to come on and tell
(01:25):
your story. So but I actually forgot the story.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So oh good, that'll make it perfect.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Okay, what was the story that you wrote in about.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So in even before I was born, but when I
was three, almost four years old, it was June. We
always went to Hoopa to the Indian Reservation. My dad
actually employed some of the tribal member council members and
they invited him to camp on the reservation, which a
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lot of people didn't. And back then there were a
lot of loggers and you know, camp in there and
doing their logging business. But these guys were good friends
of my dad, and we used to go up there
and we'd fish the Klamath and Trinity rivers there.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Can you tell me about what this was.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Nineteen sixty five because I was almost four. It was
June of nineteen sixty five that I am sure of.
So anyway we were, we were doing our hunting. I
don't have a lot of memories of the whole trip.
The predominant memory is this, you know occurrence. My parents
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always brought a camper on a truck, you know, the
pickup truck campers, and the kids always slept in that
just for our safety at night, and the adults always
slept around the fire on like those old military style
cots and stuff, you know, and my dad would build
a huge fire. He built a big fire pit at
this location, and there were no other campers. We were
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the only ones camping out there other than the logging
camp amps that were probably miles away from well not
too many miles, because they'd come to our camp and
tell us stories about Bigfoot tearing up their camps and stuff.
They knew it was bigfoot, and some of them had
sided them and they always told us stories. Well, of
course that's going to put it in everybody's mind. But
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my mother believed in nothing, absolutely nothing. You could dangle
a ghost in front of her face and she would
find a way that it was our imagination, all of
our imagination. And this particular night, the fire was blazing,
us kids were in the camper getting ready to go
to sleep, and we hear this blood curdling scream coming
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from the area where all the adults were sleeping, and
of course we came out of the camper to see
what was going on, and there was a baby deer
on my mom's chest, on her cot a baby deer,
and she's screaming, and my dad was trying to calm
her down because she was scaring this baby. This baby
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was it had to have been under five days old
because it couldn't walk like it was wobbly on its
feet when they finally set it down. But my mom
swears that when she woke up with the pressure of
this deer touching her chest, that she saw big, dark
hands and hairy arms, and that's what made her scream
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because it wasn't the deer in itself. It was I
think a combination of everything, you know, But she was
swearing it was bigfoot. My dad did not believe in bigfoot.
He always called that Bigfoot country and because of all
the stories and stuff he heard. But my dad believed
only what he saw, and he had never seen one.
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But he believed it that night because he knew how
my mom was, and all of us knew how my
mom was. You know, as I grew and asked her
to repeat the story for me several times, you know,
she still stayed sure to the fact that it was
bigfoot that set this baby on her chest. You know,
I mean, we have speculation as to why, but there's
(05:09):
no way that baby could have jumped. They can barely
walk at that age.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Was were you guys leaving out food that I could
have possibly been getting, like clean fish guts or like
you have the left ors you just threw it out
in the brush.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Or no, my dad was a military man. No, that
never happened. We we always took care of our left up.
We even hung our food from trees.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Did you guys have any toys go missing? Because you
usually like sounds like that. That's like them being like
really cool, like offering, you know, like food, you know,
like this is this supple you know veal wamb I
mean not lamb, but you know, fun true.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I never thought about it like that. What my speculation
on it always was was hearing all the finding bigfoot
and all those bigfoot shows out there, they stay, how
dear are the main staple for bigfoot? Right? Well, what
if this particular baby's mother was killed by a bigfoot
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and then they realized to me, it shows compassion and
a heart, you know, trying to get this baby to
someone near warmth and someone that would make sure that
something positive happened. You know, That's how I've always viewed
it but I never thought about an offering. I never
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thought about it being an offering to us, you know,
or to my mother. But no, there were no toys missing,
There was no damage in the in the campground. My
dad looked for footprints, never saw him. My mom was
a really light sleeper and she did not hear anything
approaching her. She woke up with the weight of this
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baby being set down on her.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
What was the lighting was? Was your dad built huge
roaring fire sos are still fire from the light, like
do you know what covin knight?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It was around one o'clock in the morning, is what
my mom said. And when my dad built a fire,
he built this fire pit due to my brother falling
in a fire earlier in before I was born. He
fell in a fire. He didn't get hurt. They got
him out quick, but he decided that whenever we went camping,
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he would build a fire pit up above where we
could fall into it, and then he would just for
the night time, he would just put pretty much a bonfire.
There was plenty of light coming from it because they
probably wouldn't have gone to sleep until about ten thirty
eleven o'clock that night. Because the adults always sat around
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and talked.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You know, how many dults were there?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I believe there were two other couples. I am not
one hundred percent on that, so I believe there were
four others, so six.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Adults many how many kids were there?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
There was myself, my two brothers, and we had two
foster girls that were native foster girls. They are three actually,
but two were with us. They were three sisters that
my mom took in and they were with us as well.
And then whatever kids might do again, I was three.
(08:19):
Whatever other kids would have been there. Everybody that came
to the campgrounds if they had kids, they had campers,
So we all slept in our campers.
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Speaker 4 (10:30):
This baby was turned in to the tribal council. My
dad drove the baby to his one of his friends
on the tribal council that night.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Wow, yeah, you're so young. Did you ever go back
there and camp when he got older? Were the same?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yes, we camped there. I believe the last time I
camped there, I was fourteen or fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Okay, So you've never kind of where it was, like
it was on Guba.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I kind of remember. Yes, it was on the Hoopa
Indian Reservation. Was very close to where there used to
be a store, and I can't remember. I talked to
my brother and he was trying to remember too, But
it was kind of like what we would call a
convenience store now, but back in the sixties it was
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just a store and there were you could buy bait
in there to fish the Klamath or Trinity River, whichever
one you were going to. And it was on a
cliff on a hillside, and I don't even know if
it still exists, but that store was within uh walking distance.
We would we never worried about how far we went.
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If it took us two hours to get somewhere, we
weren't worried about it.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, you were kind of more on the southern end
of the the resident. Yeah, I know where that used
to be. That was before my time. But yeah, I
know what you're talking about. Yeah, so you guys are
probably you guys were probably real close to uh, just
up river from or Yeah, you're probably just down from Tisstag.
It sounds like.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah. See again, I don't remember all the names and
stuff of the area. I do remember the people, and
I remember the loggers coming to our campsite because I
found it sofa. I'm a paranormal investigator now, and I
have been for years and so ever since I was
a little little girl. These kind of stories intrigued me.
(12:25):
You know, what did your dad do for a living?
He was at that time he was a foreman of
a construction company.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Okay, building roads or buildings.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Homes and buildings like convenience stores and stuff like that.
I know that he built the or he remodeled for
Squaw Valley during the Olympics back then. He did that
whole remodel for them, and he worked for several different
companies and then he ended up getting his or his
architect license, so he laid became an architect, but at
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that time he was the foreman of construction company for years.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Okay, yeah, so you have very nice parents that took
in three girls to foster care. That some good character.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Bobo my mom later after all that, you know, after
those years, my mom ended up taking in thirteen teenage girls.
At the time, there were sixteen kids in our house.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Geez, was she a missionary or something?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
No, she was just a good Catholic woman. You know.
She grew up in Catholic school, went to Catholic school
all her life, and her her mission in life was
to help troubled teens.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Very noble, very very Yeah. Sounds like a.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Saint, right.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
She did that all in nor because I grew up
in northern California. So where did you grow up Cottonwood,
Shasta County.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, my good friends from there. I got a
really good buddy from Cottonwood. Does daddy's like the head
of the Calaban's Association for.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, I know, him then, because yes, because I was
rodeo queen in nineteen seventy six in Cottonwoy, California, and
I used to ride my horse all the way into
town and run cows for them for the auction at
the auction yard.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Did you go to Do you ever go to karaoke
and sing rodeo Queen over dancing Queen? Just change the lyrics?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No, never done that, Never done that. But there have
been a few songs that some of my old boyfriends
from high school wrote about me, you know which were
and it was all just for fun, you know, But
I won't sing those. I'll spare you those.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
So growing up, did you you us had an ear
then for bigfoot reports? Did you ever like ask any
like the cowboys around there or ranchers or did you
remember hearing any Bigfoot stories besides that one from your mom?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Oh, without a doubt. Yeah, the cowboys and ranchers would
all they all believed. That's the thing is that today
society they're they're first to deny everything. And these guys
many were, they were You could have taken it to
church with them when they told their stories about Bigfoot.
They used to tell all kinds of stories the local
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boys in Cottonwood.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Do you remember any of them like they able to
stand out to you?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, I really don't. I mean there were so many,
you know, I don't even remember much about the loggers
telling their stories except for that, like sometimes while they
were off at work, and this was in Hoopo, this
was from you know, the reservation. These guys would tell
stories about how they would go out and work and
come back in their camp was just trashed, or that
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they would hear something in the middle of the night
out there, wake up and things were all over the
place in their camp, right, but they were too afraid
to come out of their whatever they slept in. I
don't know if it was tense or trailers or what
it was, but.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I get it. Yeah, So you're a paranormal investigator, yes,
do you like? These are some like you just go
to haunted houses, Like what do you do?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well? For a long time, I was the vice president
of Erath County Paranormal Society in Stephenville, Texas. And then,
of course when I moved here, I had to give
up that whole thing and I just kind of now
travel Like I went to Gettysburg for the first second
and third of July, during the anniversary of the battle.
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I've been to Myrtle's plantation, had a lot of stuff
happened there. We actually got to go into the main house.
We stayed at the main house, but the part that
they only do tours in, they let us actually go
in and investigate with them. So now, right now it's
(16:51):
just for fun. But I am in the works with
the Paranormal Society of Savannah about maybe getting in with them.
But we, like I said, we just moved and we
had a business and two households to move, so it
took us a month. We just got done moving, so
I haven't been able to reconnect with them. But if
I do start doing that, then I'll just be an investigator,
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not you know, not like a lead or anything like that,
which is fine with me. I'm good with that. I
just like to investigate. I love it.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah right, I'm a squatch or not a ghoster.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And I'm a ghoster not a squatter. I would not
believe in Bigfoot. I will tell you this, honestly, if
it were not for this story and my mother and
knowing my mom and how she didn't believe in anything,
you know, I mean, the house that I grew up
in was so haunted that things would literally fly across
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the room and I'm not joking, fly from one side
of the kitchen and go clear across the other side
of the kitchen while we were watching, and my mom
would come up with an explanation, well, maybe there was
an earthquake. Well, no, it was of an earthquake.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
That is that a polar isn't it a poulplar? Guys?
That makes things move? Is that?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yes? And we had fourteen girls and two boys in
that house.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I appreciate letting us in that story. That's great. And
your mom sounds like a wonderful woman, and so do you.
Oh thanks, Yeah, that's I love those stories, especially because
that's why it's like I was like, whoa, you know,
like that's who I love the old hoop of stories
and like just you know, I live right down the
road from there, and.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Are you still you're still living in Humboldt yep? Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah. I don't want to kind of be the bum out,
but I really think that that deer was a food gift.
I don't think there was any kind of altruism to it.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Seeing That was just my take on it. Nobody else
had said that. That's just what I was thinking, but
that I never even considered a gift.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yeah, that's how they see deer.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, that's crazy. I never thought of it like that.
It's kind of a new way for me to think now,
you know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yeah, it's always been for us to get a new
perspective of new angles to consider.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh for sure. I mean I'm skeptical about Bigfoot, but
I do believe in Bigfoot because I believe in my mom.
You know, she would not have told us that story
had it not been true. She just would not have.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Right, And you all saw the deer. I mean there's
obviously the deer has already got up, so I mean, yeah,
some put it there, didn't walk there, and the mom
didn't drop it off. So and she saw big hairy hands, right, Yeah,
that's the one plus one.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Is too exactly. And you know, I mean, who knows,
who knows? It could be she was dreaming and that
fond crawled up there and maybe you know, because of
all the Bigfoot stories that the loggers told and stuff.
But you know my mom ever did that.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, I mean you can you can say that that's
a possibility. But I knowing that they that they are
around there. I know for a fact there's big foots
in that zone. I've seen not you know, within ten
twenty miles of there. So you know, it's like I
have no problem saying that was Yeah, that was a
big foot and there was a gift from you know,
it could be your mom just ready in such good energy,
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like you know, they're like, oh, this woman's special. You know,
here's a here's a gift for it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Could be she was psychic. She wouldn't admit it, but
she was. So I believe that you could be right
about that.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And you know, when you go to Gettysburg that is
a squatch hot spot too. There's a lot of big
foot settings around there.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Around Gettysburg itself really Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I know there's a there was a particular spot
some bridge on the south part of the battlefield whatever
the park more or whatever, on the very south part
there's a famous bridge on there like ghost people.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Would go there a lot too, sax Bridge.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think that could be the one. Yeah, it's it's
not like a big it's not like a big but
it's like a real it's out there. It's a smaller bridge.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I know exactly where you're talking about. And we actually
went down there, and I had night vision goggles with me,
or binoculars, and I let a little boy use them,
and all of a sudden, we saw stuff lighting up.
And it wasn't lightning bugs. It was not lightning bugs.
We saw stuff starting lighting up and then growing out there,
(21:30):
like orbs that were growing. Yeah, we saw a lot
of stuff down in that area.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I think a lot of people in the Bigfoot comunity
are trying to take orbs from you, guys.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't even like orbs. I don't. I don't usually
I usually discount them. There's too many other things that
could be. But when you know, when an orb lights
up in the pitch black and then starts growing, that,
you got to kind of figure something's going on. There
was zero people back there. We were the only ones
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back there.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
I know. I seen them.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean, there are real orbs, and I have
put some into my evidence, you know, but not all
of them. I mean, there are very few that I
will admit into evidence. There's certain things you have to
look for.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
But what's your take on you you just don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I know, I really honestly think that well, it just
depends on the orb. Okay, but most orbs, especially caught
on night vision cameras, are going to be dust or
a bug. But now when you start seeing like a
tail coming down off of it, almost as if it's
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starting to manifest, you know, it grows in certain little
areas or something, those are usually something you want to
take a second look at and consider as something. You know,
I believe it's when it's a real orb that it's
the energy being absorbed and form, you know, allowing it
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to manifest.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Okay, do you guys like in the paranormal community is
already kind of folklore or like just common accepted things
like what the color of them? The different colors mean,
because I've seen multiple different colored ones.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I have no idea. I don't think anybody has ever
narrowed in on what it could possibly be because most
people in the community just get rid of orbs. They
you know, it has to be special, it has to
be something that you're not going to see on every
paranormal show or every paranormal website or you know, it
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has to be something special. Like we did an investigation
in Stephenville, Texas at our local like the Park Recreation
Building and it's haunted like crazy. And we had gone
up to the dance floor and I used to be
a dance teacher years ago, line dancing, like line dancing, swing,
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two step walls, that kind of stuff. And we went
up to the dance floor and I just led a
dance class, a line dancing dance class, because that's where
the soldiers used to be. We literally caught a full
apparition of a soldier leaning in a doorway watching us.
You can see his uniform and everything. And when we
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left the room, it was probably ten to fifteen minutes
after we left the room watching the because we had
our static cam set up. Now the whole time, nothing
is flying around the room. All of a sudden, after
we leave the room, these orbs from all over the
place to start almost dancing with each other and twirling around,
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and you'll see some of them start to take shape.
I actually have that video somewhere I don't know where,
but it's cool.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Wow, that makes sense. Like having women dress up like
a period clothing and like you know, and have like
one of those recreations like you know, I know there's
those five cores and all that kind of stuff with
those recreation events.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, well they used it. Yeah, yeah, no really, but
they used this dance floor during the wartime the soldiers.
They would hold dances for the soldiers, and the girls
in the community would show up to dance with them.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah. I mean if you if you guys, I don't know,
if you probably didn't know if there'd probably be a
bunuch if you dressed in period clothing and then had
you know, the you know, musicians playing whatever was popular
at that time, whatever it was a really popular song
in eighteen sixties, if you had them played that, I'll
bet that would a tract ghost even more. I'd be like,
well that's a.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You know, like for sure trigger them in. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Well, just before we go, I'll just give me one
last little thing. I saw a blue orb like volleyball
sized or show up and outside of hoop up with
the sacred old Bario grounds for the not just for
like about seven or eight tribes around the area back
in the day. And uh, I saw a light blue
volleyball shaped or going through the forest near us, and
(26:06):
there was breaking branches like it sounded like a big
foot walking where this thing was floating. And the next
day this famous old medicine man, Charlie Tom came out
there and he told us that bigfoot troubles the mountains
out there as a blue orb and then like that was,
you know, like twelve hours after this happened.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I totally believe that.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, so if you're out of that bridge, you see
blue and that could be a big foot.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's true. The orb that we
saw was bluish in color, but it also turned to
like a yellow color. And I mean we were all
sitting there looking at it. The kid was like, oh
my gosh, Oh my gosh. He was just like a
young kid, you know, do you guys see that? And
of course we could see it, you know. I said,
(26:52):
take those binoculars off your eyes and look, and he did,
and I mean, I mean we were all watching it.
The reason why we know nobody is back there is
because it had rained all day and the path had
turned into nothing but solid mud and water. We couldn't
get further, so we knew nobody was back there. There
was no way to get back there, right, So, I
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mean there was only one path to the area that
we were walking to, and the path was probably four
inches of mud in the in the outer circle of
the puddle, and then probably you know, a good five
or six inches of water in the puddle itself.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Well, I hope you guys get some ghost action. Well
I hope you get Bigfoot action. If not that that
some ghost action at least when you go to Gettysburg.
All right, Geniell, thanks again for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You're welcome, Thank you. You have a great day. Man.
Thanks Bobo, it was real nice talking to you.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
You too, Okay, bye bye.
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from uh, Georgia, but originally from Texas, and she's gonna
tell us an interesting story here. Hello Judy, Hey, how
you doing good? Good things? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm good? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So you know what I actually it's been a few
months since we got the original email, and I can't
remember that. I remember it intrigued me and I wanted
to talk to you, and you didn't even want to
make a reporter go on the you know, yeah, on
a podcast. You're just letting us know a story. And
then I contacted you and I said, hey, I'm going
to be doing this thing, you know, like some bonus
episodes stuff, and you agreed to come on and tell
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your story. So but I actually forgot the story.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So oh good, that'll make it perfect.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Okay, what was the story that you wrote in about.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
So in even before I was born, but when I
was three, almost four years old, it was June. We
always went to Hoopa to the Indian Reservation. My dad
actually employed some of the tribal member council members and
they invited him to camp on the reservation, which a
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lot of people didn't. And back then there were a
lot of loggers and you know, camp in there and
doing their logging business. But these guys were good friends
of my dad, and we used to go up there
and we'd fish the Klamath and Trinity rivers there.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Can you tell me about what this was.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Nineteen sixty five because I was almost four. It was
June of nineteen sixty five that I am sure of.
So anyway we were, we were doing our hunting. I
don't have a lot of memories of the whole trip.
The predominant memory is this, you know occurrence. My parents
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always brought a camper on a truck, you know, the
pickup truck campers, and the kids always slept in that
just for our safety at night, and the adults always
slept around the fire on like those old military style
cots and stuff, you know, and my dad would build
a huge fire. He built a big fire pit at
this location, and there were no other campers. We were
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the only ones camping out there other than the logging
camp amps that were probably miles away from well not
too many miles, because they'd come to our camp and
tell us stories about Bigfoot tearing up their camps and stuff.
They knew it was bigfoot, and some of them had
sided them and they always told us stories. Well, of
course that's going to put it in everybody's mind. But
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my mother believed in nothing, absolutely nothing. You could dangle
a ghost in front of her face and she would
find a way that it was our imagination, all of
our imagination. And this particular night, the fire was blazing,
us kids were in the camper getting ready to go
to sleep, and we hear this blood curdling scream coming
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from the area where all the adults were sleeping, and
of course we came out of the camper to see
what was going on, and there was a baby deer
on my mom's chest, on her cot a baby deer,
and she's screaming, and my dad was trying to calm
her down because she was scaring this baby. This baby
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was it had to have been under five days old
because it couldn't walk like it was wobbly on its
feet when they finally set it down. But my mom
swears that when she woke up with the pressure of
this deer touching her chest, that she saw big, dark
hands and hairy arms, and that's what made her scream
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because it wasn't the deer in itself. It was I
think a combination of everything, you know, But she was
swearing it was bigfoot. My dad did not believe in bigfoot.
He always called that Bigfoot country and because of all
the stories and stuff he heard. But my dad believed
only what he saw, and he had never seen one.
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But he believed it that night because he knew how
my mom was, and all of us knew how my
mom was. You know, as I grew and asked her
to repeat the story for me several times, you know,
she still stayed sure to the fact that it was
bigfoot that set this baby on her chest. You know,
I mean, we have speculation as to why, but there's
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no way that baby could have jumped. They can barely
walk at that age.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Was were you guys leaving out food that I could
have possibly been getting, like clean fish guts or like
you have the left ors you just threw it out
in the brush.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Or no, my dad was a military man. No, that
never happened. We we always took care of our left up.
We even hung our food from trees.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Did you guys have any toys go missing? Because you
usually like sounds like that. That's like them being like
really cool, like offering, you know, like food, you know,
like this is this supple you know veal wamb I
mean not lamb, but you know, fun true.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I never thought about it like that. What my speculation
on it always was was hearing all the finding bigfoot
and all those bigfoot shows out there, they stay, how
dear are the main staple for bigfoot? Right? Well, what
if this particular baby's mother was killed by a bigfoot
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and then they realized to me, it shows compassion and
a heart, you know, trying to get this baby to
someone near warmth and someone that would make sure that
something positive happened. You know, That's how I've always viewed
it but I never thought about an offering. I never
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thought about it being an offering to us, you know,
or to my mother. But no, there were no toys missing,
There was no damage in the in the campground. My
dad looked for footprints, never saw him. My mom was
a really light sleeper and she did not hear anything
approaching her. She woke up with the weight of this
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baby being set down on her.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
What was the lighting was? Was your dad built huge
roaring fire sos are still fire from the light, like
do you know what covin knight?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It was around one o'clock in the morning, is what
my mom said. And when my dad built a fire,
he built this fire pit due to my brother falling
in a fire earlier in before I was born. He
fell in a fire. He didn't get hurt. They got
him out quick, but he decided that whenever we went camping,
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he would build a fire pit up above where we
could fall into it, and then he would just for
the night time, he would just put pretty much a bonfire.
There was plenty of light coming from it because they
probably wouldn't have gone to sleep until about ten thirty
eleven o'clock that night. Because the adults always sat around
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and talked.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You know, how many dults were there?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I believe there were two other couples. I am not
one hundred percent on that, so I believe there were
four others, so six.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Adults many how many kids were there?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
There was myself, my two brothers, and we had two
foster girls that were native foster girls. They are three actually,
but two were with us. They were three sisters that
my mom took in and they were with us as well.
And then whatever kids might do again, I was three.
(08:19):
Whatever other kids would have been there. Everybody that came
to the campgrounds if they had kids, they had campers,
So we all slept in our campers.
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This baby was turned in to the tribal council. My
dad drove the baby to his one of his friends
on the tribal council that night.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Wow, yeah, you're so young. Did you ever go back
there and camp when he got older? Were the same?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yes, we camped there. I believe the last time I
camped there, I was fourteen or fifteen years old.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Okay, So you've never kind of where it was, like
it was on Guba.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I kind of remember. Yes, it was on the Hoopa
Indian Reservation. Was very close to where there used to
be a store, and I can't remember. I talked to
my brother and he was trying to remember too, But
it was kind of like what we would call a
convenience store now, but back in the sixties it was
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just a store and there were you could buy bait
in there to fish the Klamath or Trinity River, whichever
one you were going to. And it was on a
cliff on a hillside, and I don't even know if
it still exists, but that store was within uh walking distance.
We would we never worried about how far we went.
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If it took us two hours to get somewhere, we
weren't worried about it.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, you were kind of more on the southern end
of the the resident. Yeah, I know where that used
to be. That was before my time. But yeah, I
know what you're talking about. Yeah, so you guys are
probably you guys were probably real close to uh, just
up river from or Yeah, you're probably just down from Tisstag.
It sounds like.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah. See again, I don't remember all the names and
stuff of the area. I do remember the people, and
I remember the loggers coming to our campsite because I
found it sofa. I'm a paranormal investigator now, and I
have been for years and so ever since I was
a little little girl. These kind of stories intrigued me.
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You know, what did your dad do for a living?
He was at that time he was a foreman of
a construction company.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Okay, building roads or buildings.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Homes and buildings like convenience stores and stuff like that.
I know that he built the or he remodeled for
Squaw Valley during the Olympics back then. He did that
whole remodel for them, and he worked for several different
companies and then he ended up getting his or his
architect license, so he laid became an architect, but at
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that time he was the foreman of construction company for years.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Okay, yeah, so you have very nice parents that took
in three girls to foster care. That some good character.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Bobo my mom later after all that, you know, after
those years, my mom ended up taking in thirteen teenage girls.
At the time, there were sixteen kids in our house.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Geez, was she a missionary or something?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
No, she was just a good Catholic woman. You know.
She grew up in Catholic school, went to Catholic school
all her life, and her her mission in life was
to help troubled teens.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Very noble, very very Yeah. Sounds like a.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Saint, right.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
She did that all in nor because I grew up
in northern California. So where did you grow up Cottonwood,
Shasta County.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, my good friends from there. I got a
really good buddy from Cottonwood. Does daddy's like the head
of the Calaban's Association for.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, I know, him then, because yes, because I was
rodeo queen in nineteen seventy six in Cottonwoy, California, and
I used to ride my horse all the way into
town and run cows for them for the auction at
the auction yard.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Did you go to Do you ever go to karaoke
and sing rodeo Queen over dancing Queen? Just change the lyrics?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No, never done that, Never done that. But there have
been a few songs that some of my old boyfriends
from high school wrote about me, you know which were
and it was all just for fun, you know, But
I won't sing those. I'll spare you those.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
So growing up, did you you us had an ear
then for bigfoot reports? Did you ever like ask any
like the cowboys around there or ranchers or did you
remember hearing any Bigfoot stories besides that one from your mom?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Oh, without a doubt. Yeah, the cowboys and ranchers would
all they all believed. That's the thing is that today
society they're they're first to deny everything. And these guys
many were, they were You could have taken it to
church with them when they told their stories about Bigfoot.
They used to tell all kinds of stories the local
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boys in Cottonwood.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Do you remember any of them like they able to
stand out to you?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, I really don't. I mean there were so many,
you know, I don't even remember much about the loggers
telling their stories except for that, like sometimes while they
were off at work, and this was in Hoopo, this
was from you know, the reservation. These guys would tell
stories about how they would go out and work and
come back in their camp was just trashed, or that
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they would hear something in the middle of the night
out there, wake up and things were all over the
place in their camp, right, but they were too afraid
to come out of their whatever they slept in. I
don't know if it was tense or trailers or what
it was, but.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I get it. Yeah, So you're a paranormal investigator, yes,
do you like? These are some like you just go
to haunted houses, Like what do you do?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well? For a long time, I was the vice president
of Erath County Paranormal Society in Stephenville, Texas. And then,
of course when I moved here, I had to give
up that whole thing and I just kind of now
travel Like I went to Gettysburg for the first second
and third of July, during the anniversary of the battle.
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I've been to Myrtle's plantation, had a lot of stuff
happened there. We actually got to go into the main house.
We stayed at the main house, but the part that
they only do tours in, they let us actually go
in and investigate with them. So now, right now it's
(16:51):
just for fun. But I am in the works with
the Paranormal Society of Savannah about maybe getting in with them.
But we, like I said, we just moved and we
had a business and two households to move, so it
took us a month. We just got done moving, so
I haven't been able to reconnect with them. But if
I do start doing that, then I'll just be an investigator,
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not you know, not like a lead or anything like that,
which is fine with me. I'm good with that. I
just like to investigate. I love it.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah right, I'm a squatch or not a ghoster.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And I'm a ghoster not a squatter. I would not
believe in Bigfoot. I will tell you this, honestly, if
it were not for this story and my mother and
knowing my mom and how she didn't believe in anything,
you know, I mean, the house that I grew up
in was so haunted that things would literally fly across
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the room and I'm not joking, fly from one side
of the kitchen and go clear across the other side
of the kitchen while we were watching, and my mom
would come up with an explanation, well, maybe there was
an earthquake. Well, no, it was of an earthquake.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
That is that a polar isn't it a poulplar? Guys?
That makes things move? Is that?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yes? And we had fourteen girls and two boys in
that house.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I appreciate letting us in that story. That's great. And
your mom sounds like a wonderful woman, and so do you.
Oh thanks, Yeah, that's I love those stories, especially because
that's why it's like I was like, whoa, you know,
like that's who I love the old hoop of stories
and like just you know, I live right down the
road from there, and.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Are you still you're still living in Humboldt yep? Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah. I don't want to kind of be the bum out,
but I really think that that deer was a food gift.
I don't think there was any kind of altruism to it.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Seeing That was just my take on it. Nobody else
had said that. That's just what I was thinking, but
that I never even considered a gift.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yeah, that's how they see deer.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, that's crazy. I never thought of it like that.
It's kind of a new way for me to think now,
you know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yeah, it's always been for us to get a new
perspective of new angles to consider.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh for sure. I mean I'm skeptical about Bigfoot, but
I do believe in Bigfoot because I believe in my mom.
You know, she would not have told us that story
had it not been true. She just would not have.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Right, And you all saw the deer. I mean there's
obviously the deer has already got up, so I mean, yeah,
some put it there, didn't walk there, and the mom
didn't drop it off. So and she saw big hairy hands, right, Yeah,
that's the one plus one.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Is too exactly. And you know, I mean, who knows,
who knows? It could be she was dreaming and that
fond crawled up there and maybe you know, because of
all the Bigfoot stories that the loggers told and stuff.
But you know my mom ever did that.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, I mean you can you can say that that's
a possibility. But I knowing that they that they are
around there. I know for a fact there's big foots
in that zone. I've seen not you know, within ten
twenty miles of there. So you know, it's like I
have no problem saying that was Yeah, that was a
big foot and there was a gift from you know,
it could be your mom just ready in such good energy,
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like you know, they're like, oh, this woman's special. You know,
here's a here's a gift for it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Could be she was psychic. She wouldn't admit it, but
she was. So I believe that you could be right
about that.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And you know, when you go to Gettysburg that is
a squatch hot spot too. There's a lot of big
foot settings around there.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Around Gettysburg itself really Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I know there's a there was a particular spot
some bridge on the south part of the battlefield whatever
the park more or whatever, on the very south part
there's a famous bridge on there like ghost people.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Would go there a lot too, sax Bridge.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think that could be the one. Yeah, it's it's
not like a big it's not like a big but
it's like a real it's out there. It's a smaller bridge.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I know exactly where you're talking about. And we actually
went down there, and I had night vision goggles with me,
or binoculars, and I let a little boy use them,
and all of a sudden, we saw stuff lighting up.
And it wasn't lightning bugs. It was not lightning bugs.
We saw stuff starting lighting up and then growing out there,
(21:30):
like orbs that were growing. Yeah, we saw a lot
of stuff down in that area.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I think a lot of people in the Bigfoot comunity
are trying to take orbs from you, guys.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't even like orbs. I don't. I don't usually
I usually discount them. There's too many other things that
could be. But when you know, when an orb lights
up in the pitch black and then starts growing, that,
you got to kind of figure something's going on. There
was zero people back there. We were the only ones
(22:01):
back there.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
I know. I seen them.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean, there are real orbs, and I have
put some into my evidence, you know, but not all
of them. I mean, there are very few that I
will admit into evidence. There's certain things you have to
look for.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
But what's your take on you you just don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I know, I really honestly think that well, it just
depends on the orb. Okay, but most orbs, especially caught
on night vision cameras, are going to be dust or
a bug. But now when you start seeing like a
tail coming down off of it, almost as if it's
(22:41):
starting to manifest, you know, it grows in certain little
areas or something, those are usually something you want to
take a second look at and consider as something. You know,
I believe it's when it's a real orb that it's
the energy being absorbed and form, you know, allowing it
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to manifest.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Okay, do you guys like in the paranormal community is
already kind of folklore or like just common accepted things
like what the color of them? The different colors mean,
because I've seen multiple different colored ones.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I have no idea. I don't think anybody has ever
narrowed in on what it could possibly be because most
people in the community just get rid of orbs. They
you know, it has to be special, it has to
be something that you're not going to see on every
paranormal show or every paranormal website or you know, it
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has to be something special. Like we did an investigation
in Stephenville, Texas at our local like the Park Recreation
Building and it's haunted like crazy. And we had gone
up to the dance floor and I used to be
a dance teacher years ago, line dancing, like line dancing, swing,
(24:03):
two step walls, that kind of stuff. And we went
up to the dance floor and I just led a
dance class, a line dancing dance class, because that's where
the soldiers used to be. We literally caught a full
apparition of a soldier leaning in a doorway watching us.
You can see his uniform and everything. And when we
(24:25):
left the room, it was probably ten to fifteen minutes
after we left the room watching the because we had
our static cam set up. Now the whole time, nothing
is flying around the room. All of a sudden, after
we leave the room, these orbs from all over the
place to start almost dancing with each other and twirling around,
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and you'll see some of them start to take shape.
I actually have that video somewhere I don't know where,
but it's cool.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Wow, that makes sense. Like having women dress up like
a period clothing and like you know, and have like
one of those recreations like you know, I know there's
those five cores and all that kind of stuff with
those recreation events.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, well they used it. Yeah, yeah, no really, but
they used this dance floor during the wartime the soldiers.
They would hold dances for the soldiers, and the girls
in the community would show up to dance with them.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah. I mean if you if you guys, I don't know,
if you probably didn't know if there'd probably be a
bunuch if you dressed in period clothing and then had
you know, the you know, musicians playing whatever was popular
at that time, whatever it was a really popular song
in eighteen sixties, if you had them played that, I'll
bet that would a tract ghost even more. I'd be like,
well that's a.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You know, like for sure trigger them in. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Well, just before we go, I'll just give me one
last little thing. I saw a blue orb like volleyball
sized or show up and outside of hoop up with
the sacred old Bario grounds for the not just for
like about seven or eight tribes around the area back
in the day. And uh, I saw a light blue
volleyball shaped or going through the forest near us, and
(26:06):
there was breaking branches like it sounded like a big
foot walking where this thing was floating. And the next
day this famous old medicine man, Charlie Tom came out
there and he told us that bigfoot troubles the mountains
out there as a blue orb and then like that was,
you know, like twelve hours after this happened.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I totally believe that.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, so if you're out of that bridge, you see
blue and that could be a big foot.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's true. The orb that we
saw was bluish in color, but it also turned to
like a yellow color. And I mean we were all
sitting there looking at it. The kid was like, oh
my gosh, Oh my gosh. He was just like a
young kid, you know, do you guys see that? And
of course we could see it, you know. I said,
(26:52):
take those binoculars off your eyes and look, and he did,
and I mean, I mean we were all watching it.
The reason why we know nobody is back there is
because it had rained all day and the path had
turned into nothing but solid mud and water. We couldn't
get further, so we knew nobody was back there. There
was no way to get back there, right, So, I
(27:16):
mean there was only one path to the area that
we were walking to, and the path was probably four
inches of mud in the in the outer circle of
the puddle, and then probably you know, a good five
or six inches of water in the puddle itself.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Well, I hope you guys get some ghost action. Well
I hope you get Bigfoot action. If not that that
some ghost action at least when you go to Gettysburg.
All right, Geniell, thanks again for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You're welcome, Thank you. You have a great day. Man.
Thanks Bobo, it was real nice talking to you.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
You too, Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
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