CLASSICS: Adam Thorn & The Orang Pendek!

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with Adam Thorn, wildlife researcher and co-host of History Channel's "Kings of Pain" series! Adam is here to discuss his adventures with all sorts of creatures, including his search for the elusive orang pendek! Read more about Adam's work HERE. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it
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(00:23):
keep its watching. And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and
James Bubo Fay, Hey Bubo. How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
All right? How's it going to Cliff?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Pretty good? This is gonna be a good one.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is a really exciting podcast today because our guest
today is Adam Thorne. Adam Thorne is a legit biologist,
a totally legit biologist. He has a TV show on
History Channel. I think the Two Seasons is out or
two Seasons are out right now. King of Pain is
what it's called. And what a crazy concept for this.

(00:56):
And they basically get stung and bit by horrible things
and they say, now there's the there's like a pain scaled.
Did you know this?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Bobo? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And they try to see, like does it match up
to the pain scale. It's like, well, like, I don't know.
I guess I should ask Adam about all that sort
of stuff, but it seems like I don't know. I'd
be more interested in doing a TV show, like does
it match up to the pleasure scale? So yeah, this
is this is fantastic, you know. But yeah, Adam Thorne,
thank you so much for spending some time with Bobo
and I on Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, Adam, hey mate, how you going. I'm excited to
be on it here because I actually listened to the
podcast all the time and I've had I've had the
introest on to Bigfoot and Beyond in my head for days.
It always gets stuck in my head. It's so catchy.
You're like the you're like the scientist like version of Jackass.
It seems like huh yeah, apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well you know that's a good that's a fun TV show,
uh premise and and like, well, let's first, let's start
with your your qualifications. You are a legit biologist, you're
a working biologists. I was looking at your website and
you do consultations and you do survey wildlife surveys, you
do all sorts of stuff. So tell us little b
about your biological background if you would.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So I have a degree in wildlife biology, a diploma
in primatology, and a few qualifications from regarding primatology from
like Kyota University and Duke University as well. Basically, I've
done environmental consultations, so fauna surveying, and also what I

(02:31):
do in Perth is fauna relocation. So when they're bulldozing
save for example, a bushland area to build houses, I'll
go out trap the animals and relocate them to a
safer area, but also do consultations. And around Perth we
have kind of these black cockatoos which are endangered species
of birds, so I'll do nesting stuff with them, go

(02:53):
out into the desert in the pilbri and Western Australia
and done tagging quolls things like that, and now kings
are where I get bitten and stung by stuff. So yeah,
it's it's an interesting job.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, whose idea was that TV show?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It wasn't mine. I've done wildlife documentaries and stuff in
the past, and then like production company reached out to
me and said, I've got an idea for a show.
Can you fly out to LA. So I flew out
to LA and they told me the premise of the
show and I was like, oh, okay. I thought it
was like a wildlife show, like a sort of more

(03:30):
traditional wildlife show. But then I figured, well, I get
bitten and stung by animals all the time anyway, I
may as well do it for TV and create a
pain index around that, and you know, entertained people and
people laugh their asses off.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Hum.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, so you decided to do this? Did you know?
Your your your partner in crime, you're your co hosts
there Keeveman is that what you guys call him?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, caveman Robiliver and no, I didn't. So when they
flew me out, it was to do the chemistry test
pretty much see who who got along the most, and
Rob and I just got on like we'd known each
other for years and we're pretty much my best friends
now from it now, speed to him every day. So
it was really cool, like to have such a cool

(04:16):
co host that I didn't know from a bar of
soap when I first met him, but now it's like, yeah,
just best mates.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, people know from listening, people know from listening to us.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
We talked enlessly about how you become a family, like
the crew, like the camera people, the producers.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
You get so tight you're.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
On the road together and living together and working all
day and night you get you get really close to them.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
You want to get along with the crew, especially spending
so much time together. If you didn't, then it'll just
be like, oh this is the night.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, you're recically living with these people. They become family.
And so you've done two seasons so far of King
of Pin. The last one was in twenty twenty two,
I believe, or is there are there is there any
talk right now of coming back or is it just
like hiatus until further notice? Because I did notice there
was a gap in time between season one and two.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
So yeah, well, after season one, COVID sort of hit
like pretty much within a few months of finishing up
on season one, and then as far as I was
aware that was Kings of Pain done, it was over with.
And then randomly I got an email saying this was
like two years later, Hey, we're doing a season two.

(05:26):
What animals you want? Wow? Okay. But because COVID was
still a thing still happening, we couldn't travel around the
world for season two like we did in season one.
So I was in LA for three months filming the
second season, So we brought the animals to us rather
than going out and catching them in the wild. It

(05:48):
was more of like an unboxing thing, like you know,
what do we have in store for us today? It
opened the box and be like, oh, it's a giant tarantler. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So of all the beasts and critters and creepy Crawley's
and hugly googlies and all these things that you've had
to deal with to let them sink their fangs or
whatever into you again. I mean everyone has to ask,
of course, which one do you look back on and
say that was the most screwed up thing I've ever
done in my life. I never want to do that again.

(06:21):
I was an idiot for thinking they would do that.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
The sixteen foot reticulated python was a mistake. Yeah, that
was bad like that. I needed staple stitches like it.
The scar in my arm, I mean, it's an awesome scar.
I love it and I don't regret it just for
that because it's such a gnary sky looks like I've
been hit by a bow propeller. But my co host

(06:45):
cave Man, when he got bit one of the teeth,
because particularly pythons like have about one hundred teeth that
are like needle sharp, and these ones were you know,
probably the best part of an inch long. So it
punctured Caveman Robs on the nerve in his arm and
gave him permanent nerve damage, so he can't really move

(07:06):
his pinky finger and it goes cold because it's not
great circulation, so he's got permanent damage from it. And
from then on we're like, well, that was the after
season one, that was like the top of the pain
index because of the permanent damage and just the damage
in general. But we said, if we get anywhere close

(07:27):
to the reticulated python, we've made a mistake, right, And
then we beat the reticulated python in season two. That
was really Yes, that was a Mexican beaded lizard. So
you've heard of a helo monster, very venomous heloderm. The
beaded lizard is in the same genus and sort of

(07:47):
the same venom as well, and it's one of the
only sort of group of lizards that have apart from
your monoitor lizards. But there still needs to be a
bit more work done on their venom. But these are
like as venomouses can be, and like, it was unbelievable.
I've never experienced pain like that, and it lasted days
and days. I was vomiting in and out of consciousness.

(08:09):
It was really bad.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well worse than a bullet out.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Huh oh mate. The bullet ant like is actually, if
you go on our pain indexes is pretty low compared
to some of the other stuff we did. Like it's
I would do all I would do ten bullet ants
for three days straight. Overdoing the Mexican beaded lizard again.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
We had Pat Spein on the broadcast and he was
describing the bullet ant ceremony that he had to go through,
and he said that he's never experienced anything like it.
And you're saying that, like, well, there's way worse things
than that out there. I don't think Pat would would
like to hear that.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I think, well. I mean, the thing is, when Justin
Schmidt did the bullet an, he rated at top of
his Justin Schmidt's pain index. He's a very well known entomologist.
So when people see that, they go, okay, well, that
must be the worst stinging in there is. But that
was just within the group of Harmanatra, which is like bees,

(09:05):
wasps and ants. There are like, yeah, there's so much more,
you know, we did scorpion fish, lionfish. We did lots
of vertebrates, especially on season two, but we also covered
Justin Schmidt's pain index as well and did a lot
of the invertebrates that he did, and we found that
there were animals that beat like our insects that beat

(09:28):
the bullet and hands down. I mean we had well.
The king horrid king assassin bug was another invertebrate that
was I've never felt and that was the most acute
pain I've ever felt in my life.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
The horror King assassin bad.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Dude, you got to see this thing. It looks like
daf mal. The horrid King Assassin bug is found in Africa,
and it's like red and black. It's huge, and it's
got this giant proboscus that just like just causes unbelievable
pain and then just sort of like melts your skin
from the in thought out.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well with the name like horrid King Assassin bug, I mean,
they're not making stuffed animals out of those sort of things.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's not that you don't think of hugs when you
when you hear that, you hear that name.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's always if you know what you're in for, that's
for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh yeah, there's a picture of They do kind of
look like Darth Maul red, like orange and black and everything.
That's pretty yeah, that's pretty nuts. So I'm looking over
this list, you know, I'm looking over the list of
episodes here. It's on Wikipedia for King of Payne and
one of the things that caught my eye. And I've
always been kind of curious about this because, you know,
I grew up in southern California, and I was always
on the fishing boats, you know, fishing Catalina and Clementian,

(10:37):
those islands and stuff. I just love to saltwater fish
and one of the things we would catch every once
in a while are mantis shrimp, and they're just so
beautiful but so dangerous at the same time. Tell me about,
just for my own personal, you know, interest in these animals.
Tell me about the manus shrimp experience you had.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well, Saysan two. Was cool because we weren't just doing
things that can bite and sting. We're doing things that
had sort of a weird defense mechanism. And I don't
want to stress defense mechanism. None of these animals wanted
to buy to a sting us. We had to really
try to get them to do so. So it's not
like I don't want to. We didn't want to demonize
these animals at all. But the we did the peacock, mantis, shrimp,

(11:19):
and it's well, it's not a peacock, it's not a mantis,
and it's not a shrimp either, so it's kind of
a weird name, but they are. It was one of
the coolest things that we added onto the pain index
because just everything about it, the speed in which it
punches breaks the sound barrier, like multiple times over, it

(11:40):
forms cavitation bubbles like, it creates light. There is that
much energy and friction in the water it creates light,
which is insane. Well, we got to put this thing
on and I've seen videos of them punching through people's
like wet suit boots and into their foot and then
you know, blood and stuff come out. So like, okay,

(12:00):
this has to be we got to do this. So
it took a while to get the thing to punch
because you know, it's in a new environment. It was
taken out of it It was a captive one anyway,
but it was taken out of it's you know, what
it's used to and put into like a tank for
the camera, so I just wanted to get away. But
we finally got it to punch, and I was like,

(12:21):
it didn't get a good punch in because it was
like sort of we're a bit too close to it
where it couldn't get a full reach on us. But
even the punch that it did get on us, I
couldn't believe it. I was like, what the hell, Like
it hit me so fast that I didn't register that
it hit me. I was like, what was that? And
there was a big indent in my finger, and I

(12:42):
was like, that was one of the coolest things ever. Like, yeah,
it hurt, but it was just so cool to feel something,
you know, six or seven inches long produce a punch
that would be like you know, someone shooting a bbpel
into your finger. It was amazing. It was like that.
The trigeel was like that as well, whereas just you're
an absolute awe of an animal that can generate power

(13:06):
like that.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I imagine a couple people are out there thinking that
are thinking that, Okay, well you're are you harassing these
animals into, you know, doing something they don't want to do,
But there's benefit to what you're doing, Like whether it's
anti venom or other other sort of sciencey sort of things.
Can you talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, we were worried about that because obviously, if an
animal is biting or stinging of something, you have to
get it to the point where it feels threatened and
has to defend itself like that. So there is and
we try to reduce that as much as possible by
having multiple animals, so we're not just like because some
animals just will refuse to bite a sting you and

(13:43):
then you'll swap it out of another one that's ready
and ready to go. So like with working with any wildlife,
there is an element of stress to it. But what
we found was people instead, Like we were worried that
we will demonize the animals because people make people scared
of them. But if they get bitten and stung by

(14:04):
one of these animals, you know, a tarantula hawk or
something like that, which there's plenty of them around the US,
instead of them going am I going to die? This
hurts so much? They can go well. I saw in
Kings of Pain that yes, it hurts really bad for
a few minutes, and then other than that, you know,
disregarding if they go into anaphylaxis from an allergic reaction

(14:25):
or something like that. But apart from that, it's just
going to be pain. We've seen on Kings of Pain.
No need to worry because stress and panicking can kill
a lot of people driving to the hospital speeding because
they think they're going to die. Like well, we saw
in that show Kings of Pain that yes it hurts,
and you think you're going to die, but you're not.
So it can you know, give people a bit of

(14:46):
peace of mind at least, but also give people like
looking at the animal and seeing what they are capable of,
people will give them a wide berth, you know, respect them.
Go Okay, well I'm not going to go, you know,
grabbing this thing or anything like that, because I just
saw what it did to these two dudes. I don't
want anything to do with it. We're just going to
leave it alone. That's why the reticulated path of people.

(15:08):
I won't to get bitten by reticulated python. Nobody's going
to encounter one of them in the wild. No they won't.
But like there's plenty kept in captivity, but most of
them are super tame, but you know, the odd one
will bite you. No, there's no venom. There is a
lot of damage. But if you do come across a
large python, probably best you just leave it alone. It's

(15:28):
good for the python and it's good for the person
as well.

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you have a podcast, We should probably plug that a
little bit. It's called Thorn's Jungle, and it's not a
regular weekly sort of thing. We were talking before we
started recording. Apparently just kind of put it out whenever
you have a good episode and it's worth it. But
and you delve into lots of different topics on your podcasts,

(17:46):
and I was kind of scrolling through, I see something
on orangutans. And you're also interested in cryptozoology, which of
course jives really well with what we're doing here Bigfoot
and Beyond and living in Australia on the West Coast
of Australia there, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask
you about if you are aware of any yowi sightings
or yaowi encounters in your neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah. I mean I love cryptozoology. I always have. I've
always been fascinated by it, and I've always been going, okay,
this one is most likely to maybe exist, this one
maybe not so much. And there are a few that
I go okay, this is there is you know, a
good chance that this animal does exist, and we with

(18:28):
the yowi for example, most of the sightings are sort
of Eastern states around like the Blue Mountains things like that,
but there are actually a surprising amount of sightings in
Western Australia around sort of like the Jaredale area in
West which is only about thirty forty minute drive from
where I am, and I was looking through the Yowi

(18:52):
website where they log the sightings, and I couldn't believe
how many sightings there were in Western Australia. And you
know these are people, you know, truck drivers, things like that,
and Australians in general, most of them are they do
they wake up, do their jobs.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Come home?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
They don't really. They don't want to be known as
the guy that saw a yowie. So I tend to
believe that what they're seeing is something. They're seeing something,
whether or not it is a giant bipedal comminid or
whether or not it's it's something else, but they are
seeing something. So it's definitely interesting. And especially with the

(19:34):
like the thermal images I've seen with the the Yowi
Hunters group, some of them thermal images, I'm like, wow,
that that is that's very that's very interesting. So I
do I do think there's something? Yeah, Yeah, there's something there.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, And especially like he said, they don't want to
report it in Western Australa because, as I know, Australians
are if you're in a report like that, he told
you your bitch down with the power of your neighbors,
they're going to take the piss.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I will say that Australians are a rough and tumble
breed man. You guys are just heckle each other ruthlessly
and anybody else within earshot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, that's Australians, like our best mates. Like if you
if you're hanging around your mates and you didn't know
that will mates, you will think we're worst enemies the
way we talk to each other.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, very very rough and tumble.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
You don't want to hand out ami because we're already
shooting enough enough.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So what other cryptids undiscovered animals do you think that
there's a reasonable chance or or if you're completely certain
that they are in existence, what are some other ones
that really grab your attention?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think some of the cryptid apes are definitely interesting
to me. I am fascinated with Bigfoot, always have been fascinated,
And I remember seeing the Patterson Gimlin film and going
first time I saw it, I went as a dude
in a suit, and then for years that's just what
I thought. I think that's what the majority of people

(21:01):
see when they watched that. And then you know, maybe
ten years ago I was like, well, I'm going to
have another look at that they'd remastered it and zoomed
in and I was like, the muscles are rippling, the
quads are flexing, there's a webbing of skin between under
the MP I'm like, how did two guys in the
sixties do this? Like this is actually this is crazy?

(21:24):
Like and that completely changed my mind about well, the
Patterson Gimlin film in general, but also Bigfoot, and same
with the Yooi's as well, Like the amount of sightings
people are seeing this thing like that you could one
hundred percent. People say, yes, there is room for mistaken
identity and people just making up stories. But even if

(21:48):
zero point zero one percent of sightings is a sasquatch,
that means there's a sasquatch, you know. That means that
it exists. So I've always been fascinated with Bigfoot, but
I love the other cryptid like the o tongue in
the Naisna Forest in South Africa. I think that is

(22:08):
super fascinating. The Vietnamese rock apes that were cited throughout
the Vietnam War, that is very interesting, and I don't
buy into the oh, they were just hallucinating on opioids
or whatever. That's insane to me because like hundreds of people,
dozens were seeing them at the same time. It's like,
that must be a pretty strong thing if they're all

(22:29):
having the same hallucinations here. But the one I like
the most and I'm interested in the most is the
Irang Pendeck in Sumatra, and that's the that's the cryptid
I've actually gone out looking for.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Where'd you look for them?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Gooding Touju?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, the Lake of Seven Peaks, right same place
said I went during the episode.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Actually, yeah, it's a great area. I mean, I love
the jungle. I spend a lot of time in the jungle.
It's my favorite place on Earth. I go to the
Malaysian jungle all the time. But the Sumatran Jungle was
It was the first jungle I've been into that hasn't
been like baking hot, humid, so it's kind of a pleasant,

(23:13):
pleasant change. But it is, man, it is tough jungle.
It is immense jungle. So I was like, Okay, this
is going to be a challenge.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know what struck me when I was there is
I didn't see the animals. I heard them. I think
the entire time I was there, I saw some given
some signings, I guess across the lake, and from a
great distance I saw them moving around in the trees.
And other than that, I saw a flash of brown
near the forest floor at one point, and I'm still
not sure what it was. My guide said it was

(23:45):
a small monkey or something like that. I guess you
got a better look at it, But I didn't see
the animal life, although there is sign everywhere, And it
makes sense because everything in a jungle is either trying
not to be eaten or trying to eat something else,
So it makes sense you don't see a lot of
the animals there unless you know where to look. But yeah,
jungles are really something. It took a little bit of

(24:07):
the romance of it away from me. I know you
said you love jungles, but they are horrid places where
you can see that you've got to be pretty tough
to survive.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, as soon as you enter a jungle, you're decomposing, essentially,
the jungles trying to eat you. But you're right, Cliff,
like jungles, you don't see that many animals. It's surprisingly
you don't. I mean it's so thick and everything is
hiding because everything's trying to kill each other. So a
lot of people think when they go into the jungle

(24:36):
it's going to be like tropical paradise waterfalls, you know,
standing there with a bowl constrictor around your neck. It doesn't.
It's not like that. I mean even in the Bolivian
jungles is the same as well. I mean there is
lots of species, different species, but individually each one of
them species is so hard to see. The only animals

(24:58):
I saw there was me spoiler alot. I didn't see
a ring pen deck, but I did see see a man.
I did see sumatrans surreally, which is might what might
have been the monkey that you caught a glimpse of
cliff a sou Martians surreally. They're kind of like a
roofusy brown color and they're endemnic to smart, so they're
actually a really cool monkey to see in general. But no,

(25:21):
I didn't see the irrang pen deck, and but I
did find potential evidence of it, and pretty cool evidence.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
So well, tell us about that, Like, what were you
doing at the time and what did you find?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, it was just me and a guide, and this
guide doesn't he's never done taking someone out looking for
a rain pen deck. Before he was sort of surprised.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
This wasn't for TV. This was just like a personal trip.
You don't have a camera crew.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Just a personal trip. I went, I'm going to smartra,
I'm going to look for it. I do it all
the time, just head off to the juggle by myself.
And I was like, Okay, well, this is going to
be cool because it's Sumatra, cool jungle, and I've I
can look for this for this, for this ape. And
I don't think there is a chance on earth that
you're going to find something with a large group of

(26:06):
people or talking and things like that. I think that
that will yeah, it will be so so hard. So
I was like, okay, just two people, me and a guide.
And my guy didn't really he didn't. He wasn't a
skeptic about Iran pen deck, but he was under the
impression that it was an animal and it's probably extinct now,

(26:29):
which might be the case, who knows, but well maybe
not because I found footprints of it. But he was
sort of like he pulled me aside and he was like, look,
I'm sorry, but we're probably not going to find this thing.
And I was like, I know that, I know there
is no chance that I'm going to see this thing
like it will be so rare. And from then on
he was like, oh, thank you for saying that, because

(26:52):
he was under pressure, like oh, you've got to find
this guy at the Iran Pendeck and he was like, okad,
I can't do that. So after that he was like,
all right, cool. It was a relief for him. But
I've spent a week in that jungle. And we went
over to the other side of the lake, the flooded

(27:13):
cold Era, and we're trying on the other side, and
I found a few footprints that I was like, well,
it shows signs of you know what a ring Pendec
footprint is said to look like from a lot of
the casts I've seen. A lot of the ones I
look at is sort of like the Adam Davies cast,

(27:34):
and I know there's been a lot of conjecture it
might be a handprint or whatever. So I was sort
of like, all right, well that's what I'm looking out
for a footprint like that. I found a few ambiguous
ones and I was like, well, I'm not going to
say for sure what that is, because it is it
could be tape, your footprints overlapping. Then the last day

(27:54):
I was there, we had about an hour before we
got an to the canoes and headed back across the
lake because there was weather coming. You know, you got
you know what Karinchi is like, it rains all the time,
you know, on and off. My guide was up machetting
away a path through and I'd found a bird's nest
on the floor. So I was looking through it and

(28:15):
I was filming myself and I was like, you know,
you can find hairs in birds nests because birds use
the hairs to build their nest. And as soon as
I said that, I looked over and about six feet
away is this print. I was like, wow, walked over
to it, and it was just like obvious to me

(28:36):
I said this. I was like, I said this to myself.
If I was in Uganda and saw that, I would say,
that's just a chimpanzee footprint. But I'm in Sumatra. There
are no chimpanzees. There's no orangutans in that area either,
as far as we know. I couldn't believe. I was like, wow,
that is exactly what I've been looking for. And then

(28:56):
there was a whole trail of footprints from there, and
it was like you could see how this thing had walked.
It had walked bent saplings over us, like sort of
part of them. As it walked. There was slide marks
where it had slipped on a bit of rotting fruit,
and then there was like a big leaf where it
had kicked mud up as it walked. And my guide

(29:19):
come over and I showed him and he was like, well,
what the hell, because again he was on the fence
about whether or not the Rangpendex still exists or exists
in first place, and he was so confused by it,
and just seeing his face and his curiosity, and he
actually found more tracks as well. As we walked. It's

(29:44):
that same old thing, mate. I didn't have time to
cast it, and it was the rain was coming in.
We were just about to leave. It was the last
sort of day. But what I did, I got my
camera and filmed all the inside of it and all
around and that when I got back to Perth, I
converted that into a full three D image of it,

(30:05):
because it separates them into images and makes this really
cool three D thing and you can even look at
the underneath, so you can see the impression from the underneath.
And that was like, that was amazing. I was like, Wow,
this is six and then I got it printed out
three D printed out because I was like, I'm getting
that cast. I'm going to cast the three D print.
And then I was like, I'm probably going to ruin

(30:26):
the three D print if I cast it, but it
actually came out.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Describe the hypothetical foot that made that impression.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Well, it looks I mean, I've got four potential at
ring Pendet casts here that have been cast by other people,
and it looks closest to the Adam Davies cast, but
a more prominent, divergent big toe like it looks like
almost it looks like almost chimpanzee. I mean, it's not

(31:01):
a whole lot different to the other cast, but it's
still different. Does have like a bigger toe, longer than
the other cast I've seen, But I was thinking a
lot my feet compared to a couple of my mate's feet,
Like my mate's feet look like flippers, their toes are
as long as fingers, and like my toes don't look
like that. So there is obviously going to be each
individual have different toes. To some extent.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
On this podcast, we say halex not big totals we're
learned men of science.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, okay, yeah, so yeah, it looks different, but not
stupidly different. And then I sent the three D image
to doctor Jeff Meldrem as you would, and he said,
well it looks. It was like, looks interesting. It does,
and it was like impressed with the three D image

(31:48):
of it, was like, wow, that's actually pretty cool. It
was like, looks looks kind of like a handprint. And
I was thinking, it does, absolutely, but unless this thing
was walking by a handstand through the jung, it's probably not.
It's probably I'll say it's a footprint. But then I
was thinking, well, what has feet? You know, simang have

(32:10):
long toes. But if you actually see them and gibbons
walk bipedally when they're on the floor, thirteen percent of
their locomotion is bipeded locomotion. They're the most bipedal primate
apart from humans. And if you actually see when they walk,
they tuck that in when they walk, or they haven't

(32:31):
splayed out as they walk, depending on the surface. So
when I was thinking like, well, some of the prince
people find they describe more like human prints. When gibbons
tuck the halex in, it almost lines up with the
other toes, so it would look like a foot like
it wouldn't have the halex pointing out the side like that,

(32:51):
and they do walk with it out, and that could
explain why we're finding prints that have the halex pointing
out of that and also could blame why sometimes it
resembles a human food. And obviously being a walking you'd say,
as an obligate biped it would tuck that in so
it doesn't get caught on sticks and things like that.

(33:13):
And also the toes wouldn't be as long as other
gibbons toes because it it's not completely arboreal. I would
say it would still be arboreal, but not to the
point where it's in trees most of its life. So
that's why the theory come to me that maybe this
thing isn't a bipedal orangutan that a lot of people
described as, but more of a robust, more terrestrial type

(33:38):
of gibbon. And once I thought about that, I was
like that it makes sense because also the descriptions of
irang pendeck. The varying color of hair was also interesting
as well, because we know gibbons, especially the lar gibbn
it can be from jet black to like a bright
blonde color. And it's not a sexual dimorphism thing there.

(34:00):
It's both male and female can be that color. And
Iringpendex been described as being either like sometimes black, sometimes
a chestnutty brown, sometimes blonde. So well that that that
is interesting, like and that's what made me sort of
start to think that maybe it is a type of given.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. It's a
very interesting idea. I mean, gibbons are plentiful in Somatra
and I'll probably author out Indonesia. I don't know, but
it makes sense that, yeah, okay, there's a there's an

(34:40):
ecological niche open for some sort of you know, some
terrestrial advantage that that you know, give them, I don't know,
give them millionaires. I'll figure it out. You know, there's
a reason why they can't be a bipedal because they
they've been seen in trees, and they're obviously very good
at up in trees. I ring Pendex set is, but
why not why not have them walking around on the ground.

(35:01):
That's a very interesting theory. It'll be interesting to see
how that pans out with future research.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, because another thing as well is like, well, why
would it be a volved to be terrestrial with there's
still a threat of tigers because we know that so
march and orangutans are way more are boyal than born
in orangutans because of the present the presence of tigers.
But just because there's a predator in the area doesn't
necessarily wouldn't necessarily cause it to evolve any differently. I mean,

(35:29):
humans are bipedal and there's still plenty of predators. Even
when we were, you know, living in the savannah and
we are bipedal and there were still predators, So it
wouldn't really make a difference in the like in the
evolution of the anatomy of this animal. And then you know,
you look at something like Ardipithecus. It still had that

(35:51):
opposable hallix that displayed grasping big toe, and it was
an obligate biped but also spent a lot of time
in trees. And I feel the same way about a
ring pendeck. Yeah, it's been sighted up trees, absolutely, but yeah,
it would be it's just because it has that opposable

(36:11):
howlex doesn't necessarily mean it's not an obligate biped don't
spend the most of its time walking on two legs
through the jungle. Because we look in the past there
are animals that have had feet like that and were
obligate bipeds well.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And of course in bipedalism started in the trees. It's
now a thought that that's the origins of bipedalism, is
walking on branches on two legs while using their arms
to steady themselves on other branches and things. And you
mentioned something a few moments ago. It kind of hinted
at something, and I wanted to follow up on that
a little bit. Now, sameings have pretty long toes for

(36:47):
grabbing on trees and whatnot. And though the ring Pindeck
casts that we were able to obtain through the ring
Pindeck project, they seem to have shorter, stubbier toes, which
would make sense for a biped of this sort. Did
you find that to be true on the footprints you
found as well.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, so the toes on mine are still short. The
toes are like probably consistent with the other cast, except
for the halls. It's longer than what I've seen in
the other casts, but that could be just like depending
on how the animal is walking, what terrain is walking on,

(37:26):
could just be tucked in more in some of the
casts and splayed out more like it is in my cast,
my three D print. If you look at videos of
gibbons walking, it is like sometimes completely tucked in, sometimes
fully out. I think depending on how far it's tucked in, well,

(37:46):
you know, because we'll still poke out to a certain degree,
may make the toe look shorter or longer depending on
how far it's played out. I mean, I'm not a
foot expert, but that some of the casts I have
are like if I trace that aleck's back like well
you would, you wouldn't really able to be fully seen
an impression if it's tucked in, because it'll be so

(38:08):
tucked up against the side. It'd be very hard to
see that in a In a foot cast, you know
the gap that that toad would would have if it
was tucked in more. But who knows. Like I said,
with people, the difference between toads are crazy big for cast.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Their toes definitely spell out, like when you know they're
going up or downhill or muddy. If it's muddy terrain,
the toes splay out a lot more and look longer.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah. And another thing as well, when I was interviewing
a witness. We didn't pay him anything. We didn't pay
him a cent. He was just a real He was
an old neighbor of my guy, and he was like, oh, yeah,
I think one of my old neighbors saw one. So
I went to his house and was talking to him
about it. He got a really good sighting of one.
Like five minutes. He was watching this thing. This was
in nineteen eighty, and the way it was describing I

(38:59):
was like, Wow, this is amazing. This guy saw it.
This guy saw in a ring pendeck and then it
was calling to another animal over the hill and you
could hear the response, and I was like, this is gold.
This is great. And then he did the old which
happens so much with these these cryptid apes for some reason,

(39:22):
the whole feet pointing backwards thing. And as soon as
he said that, my it's a weird motif. Yeah, my
heart kind of sunk. I was like, oh no, because
I've heard that time time again, and I mean to me,
it kind of like discredits it a little bit, because
I think there is it's a very folklorish thing maybe

(39:44):
where it's feet point backwards so you don't know which
direction it's going. But I've heard this said before. If
you see well, for example, gibbons or chimpanzees is like
walking by Beatley with a halick sticking out like that.
It looks weird from behind. If you're looking at it
from behind as it walks and seeing that pointing out,
it looks like a weird foot like, it looks like

(40:05):
it looks different, not necessarily pointing backwards, but it looks
like it's bent in a weird sort of way where
it's you know, you could mistake that for it pointing backwards.
That's sort of like what I was, you know, hoping,
because the it's like, for example, when you use hear

(40:28):
a bigfoot stuff like oh yeah, great witness. It was
described perfectly that that's really good sighting. Then all of
a sudden it got into a UFO and flew off.
Your heart would sink. You're like, oh no, sort of
like that when I hear about the feet pointing backwards.
But there could be an explanation for that.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know, that's such a peculiar thing that that is
a worldwide motif on hairy harmonoids like the yetty the Yeah,
Like there's so many different unknown ape species that have
that attribute as part of the yowi too yowie. Yeah,
it's just so peculiar that that arose and has become
part of the gig.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, And I don't understand with things like like the
yowie and stuff of that, because their feet are described
to be like ours, not that the helix pointing out
to the site or anything like that, So that wouldn't
explain why they're saying that it looks like the feet
are spun around because their feet are said to look

(41:28):
similar to ours, so that that is a confusing thing. Well,
it doesn't make sense for a lot of the hominids
that are sighted then.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
So have you seen that footprint cast that Debbie Martyr
pulled out of Somatra of the ring Pendeck. Have you
ever seen a photograph of it or anything.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I've never seen Debbie Martyrs. No, I've read about her
sighting and everything. I would love to see that cast
because I've never actually seen it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Well, I don't have a really good photograph of it, unfortunately,
but there is a photograph in doctor Gregory Forth's book
Images of the Southeast Asian wild Men of that cast,
and one of the things that stood out to me
it contrasts really well against the footprints set I was
able to get through the ring Pindeck project in that
the Halex the big toe there was quite a bit

(42:13):
larger and not like more robust, but just longer than
the ones that I was getting. So it kind of
sounds like what you're describing here. So I think I
have a scan of that somewhere in my computer and
I will be happy to email that to you so
you can kind of compare yours to it.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I would love to see that, yeah, because yeah, that
sounds similar to mine and mine bend's a bit as well,
like like how a chimpanzee would footprint would as well.
It curves inwards, which I think there is another cast
that they call is like the Banana cass or something
where it does do that. So yeah, that'd be really cool.

(42:50):
Because Debbie Martyr is i mean, her sighting and the
stuff she's done with the ring Pendeck. That was one
of the reasons why I was like, well, this seems
like a thing that could exist. And then Jeremy Holden
saw it as well working with Demi Mate. I think
actually Debbie Singh caught eyes on the irang pandic a

(43:11):
few times.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
As well, like three.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I think, wow, Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I mean
because the way I thought about it, Somatra is huge.
I mean, there is definitely room for an undiscovered species.
I mean you look at the Tapannuli orangutan. This orangutan
was first sighted in like nineteen thirty seven, so they

(43:35):
knew there was an orangutan population there south of Lake Toober.
They didn't rEFInd that population until actual it was thirty
nine when they when they found it, and then ninety
seven when they rediscovered it. So it took them almost
sixty years to rediscover this thing, this population of orangutan.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
There's a twenty five hundred rate. Was there over two
thousand of them?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, and in an area a thousand square meat square kilometers,
the whole entire population exists. And then obviously in twenty
eighteen with DNA tests they were found to be a
separate species. But it took them sixty years to refine
this population in an area one thousand square kilometers, well,
the area that the irang pen deck is said to

(44:21):
live in is fourteen thousand square kilometers. So if it
took them that long to rediscover this population of orangutan,
you know what chances are you of laying eyes on
a rang pen deck in an area fourteen thousand square kilometers.
It's very difficult.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
How do the orangutans are they on the scale of
like looking for primates, They're pretty They're pretty easy to
find general, don't they vocalize and things like that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, you can hear them. They'll do long calls things
like that. You can also find nests in the trees,
but because they are mostly solitary animals, they're harder to
find their things like chimpanzees and gorillas, where you'll find
loads of nests and their ground nests as well well

(45:07):
for gorillas. But with the orangutans, because it's normally just
you know, a female and an infant and then like
a lone male, you really have to just track an
individual and hopefully you find it. I mean, I found
one in Borneo, but it was pure accident. It was
one of the most pleasant surprises I've ever had in
my life. But I think once you know they're there

(45:31):
and know where they slept at the night, you can
track them again, but refinding them because they're spread out,
you know, over you know, a thousand square kilometers, it
would be more difficult than your other great apes.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. I did
ask the head of primatology or the primatology department, I
think at the Connecticut Zoo, if your orangutan got out

(46:06):
here in Connecticut, how often would it be seen? And
his answer was pretty much never, you know, because they'd
find it again, but it'd be very, very difficult to
see ever.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, I mean, how do you spot a two hundred
pound red like ape up a tree? It's well, you
do like you.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Won't in the fall? Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Well, just for comparison to there was a I think
it was six hundred pound tiger was loose in La
County on the Ventura border, like you know in La
the hills out north of there, and a three three
by five mile I think it was three by five
miles fifteen square mile area. Thing lasted, I mean, with
millions of people living around there, it made it three

(46:53):
weeks before they were able to catch it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, and that's an animal you want to catch pretty
dawn quick.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
The best trackers in California, like ten teams are the
best tracking teams with dogs.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
They couldn't catch that tire for three weeks in La Jeez. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Tiger's are any animal that lives in a jungle, and
especially ambush predator. You think it will stand out like
I saw a thumb being colored like that, but they
blend in unbelievably. I remember when I was in the
Malaysian jungle. I was by myself deep in the jungle
for a week, just sleeping in a tent as you do.
And one night I was kept on getting woken up

(47:32):
by something pushing on my head through the tent. And
I was like, I was, you know, turning on my flashlight, yelling,
going got away, you got away. But it kept on happening.
So what is that keep pushing on my head? I'm
trying to sleep, get up in the morning, walk out,
and there's like gigantic tiger footprints all around my tent.
Oh no, oh god, this thing is having a sniff

(47:55):
of me through the tent.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
It's good that you didn't smell delicious, I know.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I would have smelled horror. I smell horrible, like just
to myself. I could smell myself a mile away.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
You know it's bad when you can smell yourself.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, yeah, like, oh I love to smell on my
own broue. No, I don't. Not this time I was.
I was swimming in the river as well because of
that stank. I was swimming in the river, and I'd
set up my camera to do like the auto photo
thing of me so I could get a photo me
swimming in this river, Like, oh yeah, that's a good photo.
Get back to the tent, have a look at it.

(48:27):
I'm like, wait, what's that in the background. Zoom in
and there's a massive false garil, which is a large
crocodilion right behind me.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
No, oh gosh, damn, that's the hell out of me.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, I don't think I would have swam in that
river knowing that it was were there not a bit It.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Was in the water on the land.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
It was in the water like six feet behind me.
It just sees eyes and nostrils.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Did you think it was?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
It was huge, like false gariles get massive, like over
fifteen feet quite red. And yeah, this one would have
been about that size, and it was only recently as
well they found out that people have been eaten by
false garyles because a lot of people like, oh they
don't eat people because the shape of their jaws. They're
not as long as as like the like the Indian garriles.

(49:17):
But yeah, they have found fishermen inside of them.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh they're real narrow. They have a really narrow jaws,
those ones.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, real narrow more for fish, but yeah, they absolutely
have taken humans.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
You know, what's your thought on the Thylocene.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I think the Thilo scene, I think it might there
is there is a chance it's still there in some
parts of Tasmania. I don't really hold much credence to
it still being on mainland Australia. I know there are
a lot of sightings of it still, but definitely in
especially in the western part of Tasmania, there is a
huge bit of forest there, so they definitely could hide

(49:58):
file scene for sure. But I think, to be honest,
best chances of Papua New Guinea. There are some pretty
incredible witness accounts of people seeing the striped dog up
in Papua New Guinea, and I mean there's like the
singing dog and things like that. That is unbelievably elusive.
So I think there's a good chance that it might

(50:20):
still be living in Papua New Guinea, more of a
chance of staying hidden in Papua New Guinia than it
does in Tasmania. But yeah, I think it would be
an animal that I wouldn't be surprised if somebody found
one's hope.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So have you ever met Gary Opitt, another Australian cryptozoologist.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
No.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think he lives in the Eastern State. He does
a lot of that. He's part of the Yowi group, right.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, he's an older gentleman and he's a witness of
the Yowi and as well as a number of other
strange animals, and I was very impressed with them when
we got the chance to meet him in US real
you can't go for a walk with the guy because
it takes forever, because he's alway stop and down and
oh this plant here, and he'll tell you like a
ten minute story about the how amazing this plant is
in the natural history of it and the indigenous uses

(51:10):
and the medicinal use it. He just goes on and
he is such a wealth of knowledge you never get
anywhere by taking a walk, but you learn, You learn
more than you would in a college class. He's just
amazing this wealth of knowledge. And I bring him up
not only because he's interested in all sorts of cryptids
in general and has seen some very peculiar things in
his life. But one of the things he saw and

(51:33):
he shared with us while we were there, is that
he saw a sasquatch or you know, basically whatever the
equivalent would be in Papua New Guinea.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So I have a feeling that that island there probably
holds a lot of secrets.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
He was way up, like he was about seven thousand
feet way up in the mountains, and when he saw
there's a black one about seven and a half foot tall.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That's interesting. I never heard that. I mean, it wouldn't
surprise me this they find. They mean, they're still finding
loads of new species of animal and Papua New Guinea
and not small ones either, like a large animals. So
I think places like Papua New Guinea, Myanmar, the Congo,
they're just so vast and it's just very hostile terrain.

(52:18):
Not many scientists are out there surveying because of that
especially Meanma, because it's hard for scientists to even get
into Mianma. That's where they think they're still wilt populations
of like the pink headed dark and things like that.
So yeah, that really wouldn't surprise me. And even North America.
I mean, I don't think people understand this, just how

(52:41):
vast some of those forests and natural areas are. I mean,
if there is an undiscovered animal anyway, I mean, North
America could definitely harbor one for sure, and probably does.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Oh yeah, most assuredly does at least one.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, from the most southern area of North America to
the most northern as well. I mean we get reports
from Mexico in Central America as well. It's not as
many as up here in the more northern latitudes, it seems,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I mean there's still even the occasional sighting of a
wooly mammus up in Alaska, I believe.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Well there's some stories of that, there's. Yeah, and there
was actually one video of a supposed video that I
was asked to comment on for a TV show, and
I think it was actually.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
A bear holding like a salmon hanging out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it
was or whatever, but that was circulating online for a second, so.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting, especially like where
willly mammisonly went extinct on Wrangel Island there about four
thousand years ago, which geologically speaking is a blink of
an eye.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, it's amazing the Egypt of the Pyramids remade while
wooly mamms were still around.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, that's crazy to think they.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Only got wiped out due to just in bridging, I
think too. Isn't that the reason they went out on
a wrangle?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean it's such a small island and they
were they were small amounts because of insular dwarf ism.
But yeah, when you get a large it's still a
large animal like that on a small island, and yeah,
you've just funneled like you've just got a genetic bottleneck there.
So yeah, it's not going to be good. And it's

(54:23):
sort of like, I don't know if you've what do
you think about the Gigantopithaca's bigfoot theory, because yeah, at
one point it was connected. There was land bridges and
there was a way for them to get up there.
But I mean, I'm not. I think just because there's
two giant apes doesn't mean they're the exact same thing.

(54:43):
But who knows. It's a cool theory, and I like
reading about it, and I mean, we don't even show
Gigantipitheca was by pedals.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Now, yeah, that's the problem there, or that's one of
the problems is we don't know enough about giganos to
say much about it.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, exactly doesn't.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
So, but we do know that they were in the
line between Sheverpithecus and orangutans, and both of those apes
lack of brow ridge, and sasquatches are pretty uniformly reported
to have a good brow ridge on them, So of
course it could have evolved separately. That's too big of
an issue or anything. But there are some things about
it that I think it's I'm taking a wheat and

(55:20):
sea sort of attitude towards that one. My money is
still on parathis right.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
That's what attracted me to things like a ran pendeck
and some of the smaller ones, because the only thing
that makes it weird and would make people sort of
skeptical of it is the bipedalism. If you said, I
think there might be a robust species of gibbon that
hasn't been discovered before in Sumatra, people wouldn't bat nihilily.

(55:47):
They go, oh, yeah, that sounds about right. The moment
you say bipedal, they're like, oh, I don't know about that, So,
you know, bipedalism. I don't get why people think it's
such a deal breaker, because it's happened. We're bipeole. We
know what happens in primates, So I don't really get
why that is like the deal break, and I can't

(56:08):
believe it now. Gibbons do walk by peoedle quite a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Do you think that has something to do with just
a human exceptionalism sort of thing, or that we think
we're a little bit more special than we are on p.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, I think so. I think, well, we're bipedal primates.
There isn't room for another bipedal primate. That's too icky.
You know, it's a bit creepy for me. That's why
a lot of people when they see some of these
cryptids faces, it really freaks them out because of a
bipedal animal that is so similar to us. It makes

(56:43):
people uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
It makes me comfortable personally. I kind of like knowing
them a part of the larger animal kingdom.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, I mean, we don't want to be the only
bipedal lpes walking around. It's the lonely planet.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Should we kick it over to the overtime?

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, if you don't mind an if
you can stick around and do a members episode with
you and then talk to you, talk to you more
about some interesting cryptids and some of your adventures, if
you have the time, if you're okay without fantastic, then so, listeners,
thank you very much for tuning into Bigfoot and beyond.
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(57:18):
gonna be talking to Adam over there in a few moments.
It's five bucks a month and you get an extra
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Patreon thing, and it helps us put all this stuff
together and pay for the software we have to use
microphones and all that sort of stuff. We really appreciate
all the support. Yeah, So Adam Thorn has been our
guest today and his website is www dot Biothorn dot

(57:43):
com dot au, an Australian website. Really interesting things are
happening over there, and of course his show King of
Pain is on History Channel. You also, I mean, you
guys are I mean clearly you're listening to our podcast.
You like podcasts, why not subscribe to Adam's podcast as well.
It's called Thorn's Jungle And there's a lot of interesting

(58:05):
topics or talk about. I'm just like scrolling through right now.
There's a ring and Tan stuff, there's Walrist stuff. There's
a bunch of primates and snakes and all sorts of
cool things. And am I missing anything? Adam? Anything else
you want to mention?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I mean, yeah, now you nailed it, Cliff. You can
follow me on Instagram as well, Adam underscore Thorn. That's
probably the main social media I used. But yeah, apart
from that, the website and check out the podcast.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
All right, I'm going to follow you right now on
Instagram Adam underline Thorn. Cool. Right on, Well, Bobbo, take
us out of here and start the members episode.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Yeah, I want to ask at when we get to
the members section, if you can recommend any local licors
or any specific beer or whiskey that was good for
numbing the pain.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
We'll get to that in a minute.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Oh, we'll get to that the overtime. Yeah, the bonus.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Okay, folks, Well, thanks again, thanks to Adam for joining us.
Thank you for listening. We appreciate it. Until next week, y'all,
keep it squatchy.

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