October 31, 2025 • 47 mins
In this "classic" episode, Cliff and Bobo recount some of their spookiest experiences! Happy Halloween!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Keep its watching.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello, Bobs up nothing man, just chilling hanging out, getting
ready to do a podcast right here.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I thought, my, you're gonnay, I'm getting ready, like building
Melissa's haunted house stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well that is for after the podcast today. Actually, there's
a couple of things on my agenda, and certainly getting
all the halloween stuff out of the shop is part
of that. You know, Sammy, she has more than one
complete shelving unit, and you know, like I build these
shelving units out a two by fours there they're you know,
two feet by eight feet essentially, and she has more
than one full of just halloween stuff. So that is
(01:06):
gonna be a big part of my afternoon today. So yeah,
we're gonna go buy some pumpkins and all that sort
of stuff because it is Halloween time, which is at
least half the year at my house, but it's also
the most important season of the year, So that's kind
of what I'm up to so today, at least today yesterday,
though I was in the woods, I got out to
the woods yesterday a little bit found a possible track way.
(01:28):
It was pretty vague interesting. I mean, it wasn't just
like one print in the ground, and it wasn't clear
by any means, but there were toes at least what
I'm interpreting is toes. But it was on a rocky
gravelly road, actually the same spot I took you when
you me and Dave went out last year. At some
point right at that intersection there, I observed four tracks
(01:50):
in the ground, and I think I was a three track,
no One two. There were three clearly observable, and I
think I'm missing one, and there was also a partial
that might have been one. It's hard to say. So yeah,
I thought I was missing one in the sequence of tracks.
But if these were Sasquatch tracks, I cast one as usual.
(02:11):
It looks terrible. But if these were Sasquatch tracks, it
was I may measured about fifteen inches long a little
bit more, which is a different new size, new size
for this place. So far, I've only gotten the fourteen
which is actually a thirteen and a half and twelve,
which is actually only eleven and a half. But there's
a decent chance that this is actually the thirteen and
(02:32):
a half or fourteen inch individual, just leaving a little
bit bigger print as all. So I don't know. I
don't know, but it might be a new one. So
I'm going to keep my eye on the area, try
to get out there once or twice a week as
weather permits. Although I shouldn't even say as weather permits,
because it dumped on me yesterday when I was out there.
I was out there alone, just walking in the downpours,
getting soaked. Man, it was cold and wet. And then
(02:54):
I went to a different elevation and sure enough, snow yesterday.
Snow no way, yeah, I mean, I mean, not only
was it just hailing because the tumultuous weather, but there
was actually light dusting of snow everywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it's winters here, man, It's the middle of October
and the winter's already here.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So well, I guess that's not that out of the
organ I guess for this time of the year, and
it's a little early, but unheard of.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, No, this is the time when the light switch
changes and suddenly it's not nice every day anymore and stuff,
and it's basically winter. So yeah, I think the upper
elevations are going to be closed now. I might be
able to squeeze one more trip up to Timothy Lake
or something like that, but that's about it. After that,
I think it'll be done. I'd like to go poke
around there. Some tracks are found in November of last year,
(03:43):
just outside of the Timothy Lake area. I'd like to
go check out that area, walk around, see if there's
anything going on that I can detect. But we will see,
we will see. We're at the mercy of mother nature
as usual. Anything going on with you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'm just down with the folks has done so, I
also not do much. I've called Wally a couple of times,
trying to get ahold of them, but I haven't heard
back anything.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, you know there's other people down there too. Maybe
you can get together some of the old funny big
foot folks or something and hang out with them and
be good to see them, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Or organize a pigeons reunion.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Or yeah, pigeon reunion. Now, I'd get the flock back together.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
There is gonna be a little bit of one on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Really get some pictures for us.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of guys.
It's where we went to a grade school. In junior high.
There is the annual fair, So we'll go down there.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh yeah, I go perch a little bit in some
of those trees used to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Hang that in. Those are all gone. Not because of
us either.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You might be too big to perch in those things nowadays. Anyway,
you've grown a little bit since then.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I talked with you for yesterday. He did tell me
that where the origin of the word, because I can't
remember where the pigeon came from. It it was because
when he was in when him and tr another pigeon,
were in grade school, like seventh grade or something, that
coach wanted to calm the sea their soccer team and
it was a sisters team's name in the year before
(05:05):
was the Seagulls, and so they were protesting that it
was a girl tame name, and the coach goes, what
do you want me to call you guys the pigeons,
And those guys thought that was pretty cool. So they
that's where the name came from, you.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Know, you could have called yourself the he Goals. When
we get old, we can call ourselves the bald Hegels.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's good to let you're on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No, I haven't changed a bit, Bobs. I'm just wearing
you down. You're coming to the dark side. You're just
appreciating my humor more. You're changing. It's not me.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I appreciate the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Uh well, anyway, it's it is Halloween times. So we
thought that maybe a fun thing to do for this
particular episode is kind of get into the spookier side
of things and you get outside the Bigfoot thing just
for a second, go beyond Bigfoot, if you will. So
a couple of people have been writing in and then
asking for some stuff. So maybe I'll pass the microphone
(06:04):
to Matt prou and you can kind of set us
up here.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
One of our members on the Patreon side, Nick Mackay,
had written in for our members only Q and A episodes,
and he had said quote Cliff had alluded to a
ghostly experience in the past. Although I'm a firm believer
in the Squatch, I'm more of a skeptic when it
comes to ghosts. Nevertheless, I love to hear ghostly stories
and was hoping you guys might have something to tell,
And so I thought, you know, rather than doing that
(06:28):
in an answer to a question, in a whole series
of questions, since it's Halloween, we could be fun to
do a whole Halloween special episode because I know both
you guys have some pretty good ghost stories.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I've had some really weird things happened to me
in my life, and you know, and people might be
surprised because I'm the science s guy or whatever, you know,
I'm an advocate of science and all that sort of stuff.
But at the same time, I've had weird stuff happened.
My weird antenna has been up for quite a while,
and when your antenna is up, it attracts the right
kinds of stuff. The whole reason I liked the Bigfoot
(07:02):
thing is because I was such a weird kid essentially
and weird young adult. I just liked unusual things, you know,
And I stumbled across Bigfoot stuff and I realized that
it wasn't as weird as I thought. And the weird stuff,
you know, could go in a different corner of my
life just for entertaining thought experiments, whereas this bigfoot thing, Well,
(07:23):
that's biology, you know, and I can apply biological methods
and that sort of stuff to it, and that's what
I started doing. So I don't think there's anything weird
or paranormal about sasquatches at all, really, And many people
would disagree, and that's fine, do what you want to do.
But I'm only basing on my experience, my thirty years
plus experience in this field, being around these things, having
(07:46):
seen one or two of them in my life, been
tracking them and smelling them and hearing them. Never ever, ever, once,
if I ever had anything weird happen to me that
out of the ordinary around bigfoot stuff. So I don't
think there's anything there. But that is I mean that
I don't enjoy the idea or of paranormal things, you know.
So just to dispel that incorrect belief and rumor that
(08:09):
circulates about me out there that I'm no fun about
all that sort of stuff, I just don't think it
applies to bigfoot in any way whatsoever. But yeah, I've
certainly had some ghost stuff, and I know Bobo has
had more than his fair share of ghost weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Too, fair share, not more than more than well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You're fair share okay, yeah, Bobo. Here here's a question
for you. Before I launched a couple of short stories here,
how far back can you remember, Like how old were
you when you had some some of your very very
first weird things happened to.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
You My next door neighbor's house, which since it's been
torn down. When I was growing up, they had weird
stuff out at their house, Like did hear the drawers
like the civil ware George stuff like that in the kitchen,
Like it was like those little round circle latches that
like run a hen so like you lived at a
circle finger and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Pulled the drawer out, oh kah, kind of like a
door knocker or something like.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
That, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, those would go off sometimes.
I heard that a couple times. They talk about it,
and I heard it once or twice.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And how old were you then?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Junior high like maybe like you know, under sixteen, like
anywhere from twelve to fifteen. But I didn't seeing or
hear anything. They never felt anything. The person I had
that was like really weird para normally was the Evering
around two thousand, two thousand and two somewhere there was
when I had my first where I saw like that
(09:33):
shadow thing.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, you tell us a little bit more about that.
I don't, I don't. I can't remember which one this is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh. I was living in that house and we were
moving out, and I had that by big pit bull Dday,
that big one hundred and five pound pit bull that
was like a really good guard dog, and he was
he was chilling there with me and I was in
the bedroom and we had a big open door with
like a ten foot wide doorway going into the kitchen
(09:59):
area from the the living room dining room. There's an
old house with like the fourth oldest house in Arcada.
So and everyone told us it was haunted, but it
made so much noise all the time anyways that you know,
stuff settles and temperature changes. You know, there's pops and
all that kind of sounds. And so I never I
never listened to people and they say those places wanted.
(10:20):
I can feel it, and I was like, I don't,
I don't know. This seems fine to me. And then
after being there for several years, it was moving out
and I was actually unloading my shotgun, you know, put
it in the truck and move it. And as I
was unloading it, I see the my bedroom door look
out into the dining room right where it went into
the living room. I mean it in the kitchen area.
(10:40):
The kitchener had like a like a ten foot wide doorway,
you know. So we had an old quilt pinned up
over that to keep the heat in the living room
and dining area where we hung out because the kitchen
was big and kind of drafty. And I was sitting
there and all of a sudden I saw it when
I like, it looked like a uh like just someone
like whatever. All it was just all black, like a shadow. Yeah,
(11:03):
that curtain lifted up and the shadow went through like
where the curtain looked up, it went through. And I
was like, I thought it was like someone saw that
thought the house was empty because we were moving out,
but came into sea or something. I didn't know what
it was. And I had my shot and I ran
out and DD he was barking and charging out and
my next onever was flushing his engine on his on
his outboard right there boat was there, and I said, dude,
(11:26):
I go, and he's like, no one's no one's here.
And I ran and looked down through the field and
there was there was no one there, and I was like,
they must all they went into the bathroom. So I
got DJ we ran back in the house because he
could go off the kitchen into the bathroom and there's
a pantry in there, and I thought, it's in the
pantry of the bathroom, and I ran and there was
no one in there, and I thought, well, they must
have circled back through the house and there was nobody there.
(11:47):
And then a couple years that I've heard about the
shadow people whatever you like, people like there's just a
silhouette of a black shadow and that's I guess what
I saw. It was. It was perplexing and befuddling, but
it wasn't like scary.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense, I mean,
because not all ghost things or whatever are scary.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Sometimes you're like, what the heck was that? Then you
realize later that shouldn't have been there. I've even heard
of bigfoot reports like that where they thought it was
a person or whatever, and then later on was wait,
that wasn't a person. You just thought it was something normal,
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Speaker 4 (14:20):
I did have one another weird thing happened the time
I saw was I remember it was December two thousand
and one, and I was staying at the Volcanhouse on
North Shore, a walk he read at Pipeline and one
of the guys lived this guy Brucey Bruce Earns. He'd
won the Pipe Masters that day. There's this huge party
(14:41):
and so it's just going richter. And then that night
I was outside because it started getting pretty dark and
like real bad energy, like really better. There was a
bunch of fights and then so I was outside with
this guy Kai Kyborg. He was like two time super
heavyweight street Fighting Chapter of the World down on Rio.
It was himming, and this guy Sunny Garcia, who was
(15:02):
like this. He was a really well known kind of
Hawaiian guy, like he'd win the world title like the
year before or two years before, something like that for
a pro server. He was a big, pretty buff dude.
He was. He was a known tough guy whatever. And
so the three of us are sitting out there talking
and we were like, my masis is getting pretty ugly
in there, and Ty was getting ready to throw everybody out.
(15:24):
So we're sitting and I'm looking I had my back
to the house looking at the ocean, and Ty was forty.
He was like a ninety yeree angle from the beach
looking he was looking down like up up the beach,
looking east. And then Sonny was he had his back
to the ocean looking at the party. Then be off
to like Sonny's left shoulder on the right side on
my right in the bushes, it's just a small space
(15:46):
like maybe twelve feet wide, like fifteen feet at the most,
like twelve feet were some bushes there along between and
sand and the and the where it drops off down
on the beach from the property, there's there's still about
twelve foot space and in those bushes, I swear to
you also there's like three heads just kind of I materialized.
They were all kind of brown, like what were they
(16:07):
almost see through looking, but they were like three or
four times the size of a normal human head. They were.
They were big. They were probably like you know, two
foot by like you know, twenty four by eighteen inches
or something like that, you know, something like that. And
they were all like touching each other, like three dots
like a pyramid shape, almost like like a pyramid tilted
on its side. I guess, Eric hunos whatever. So that
(16:28):
was a hey out. That was a hay out they sacrifice.
Right where we were standing was a hayout. They used
to do sacrifices there. What's a heyout like a temple
old Hawaiian temple area. So I go, no way, I'm like,
there's some ghost heads and I don't I don't think
even looks. He just goes and Sonny just started chanting, dude,
and I guess, I guess, but he was singing. It
(16:50):
was like a chant was he was saying I'm sunny
from the this and this family line, and you chant
out like your your back of your family linear and
who your family vanquished, because those might be ghosts of
someone that your family killed, that you killed them. It's
not like you got to be scared because your family
killed him. Is like we're more powerful than you, Like
(17:11):
this is my family line, Like whatever your family line is,
you're not as powerful with my family line. It's kind
of like how I guess he explained it later, but
like he started chating like like these Hawaiian I didn't
know what the hell he was saying. I guess it
was mostly just names, like saying like the son of
the son of that. And then Tony closed your eyes
and looked down. They both had their eyes closed looking down,
(17:31):
and I did. And then I close my eyes and
looked down. I waited about thirty six. I opened up
my looks and I go, they're still there. He's like,
close your eyes and look down, and he just didn't
say nothing, and Sonny was doing his little pant thing.
Then I closed my eyes for like another thirty teaingons
I opened them again, they were gone. Yeah, So that's
the only time i've ever seen the ghosts. Really, yeah,
(17:54):
I thought I thought a second settlement in Ohio. But
it turned out to not be a shadow man.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, that was actually a Sasquatch. Yeah, that that was.
That was pretty funny. I remember I went to the
You were in the suv at the time because you'd
already finished your interview, and I go, bobes Man, there's
a dude. You go, Clive, I think I saw a
shadow man. What there are shadow mass No, No, you
you saw a Sasquatch. I came here to tell you
(18:20):
there's one here right now. It's like shadow man. That's
that's the most logical explanation. That was a big foot man.
It followed us back to the base camp. It was cool. Yeah,
Flippy had a rock strewn at him. I heard knocks
while I was doing my interview, and several of the
producers got, you know, pretty close with that thing. And
I know you saw it, and a couple other people
heard it and got scared out of their place and stuff.
And that's not paranormal, that's just the big foot stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So that female pretty sure that smoked cigarettes, that she
was banished and gout and smoked away from you. Know,
the main area. She went down by the river. She
thought it was met with her, like going back and forth, grumbling,
mumbling and like picking rocks down in the creek, and
then it came up and walked up behind and oh
and she's flipped out and ran and shut herself like
(19:03):
I didn't tell anybody till till afterwards that had happened
to her.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, some pretty cool stuff happened off camera, And of
course if it doesn't happen on camera, it doesn't make
the show, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, well, you know,
so you sound like you're you're dip into that the
weird paranormal ghost stuff happened pretty late in life. Yeah,
because I look back at my life and I don't know.
I mean, when you're when you're really young, it's hard
to say what's real and what's not, you know, because
(19:30):
I think that the little look at the way like
small small young children behave like they're clearly on a
different level, you know, they're they're the veil is much
thinner for them, right, It's kind of like cats, you know.
I do like small children, I mean like two or
three years old, maybe four, that they're kind of like cats.
They see things and experience or reality that the adults
(19:53):
just simply do not.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So I look back at some of the things that
happened to me when I was very, very young, and
I would venture a guess I was three or four
years old, and I don't know what's real. I assume
a lot of this stuff isn't real. But I had
some very weird things happened to me back then. One
of the earliest memories I have is being at the
end of the hallway. We had a long hallway in
(20:15):
my house, you know, connected all three of the bedrooms
in some various ways to the living room and stuff.
And I remember, I don't even know how young I was. Again,
this is one of my earliest foggy I do remember
being in my crib. I have a couple weird memories
of being in my crib.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Cheeze.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That just reminded me of another one. Yeah, I'll tell
you that one.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
First.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I do remember lying in my crib. And again I
don't know how old I was when I graduated out
of my crib, but I remember lying on my crib
and it was a wooden crib. I remember the room
it was in, ended up being my bedroom, you know,
through my adolescents and stuff. And on the wall was
a painted plaster clown, you know, like y'all painted up,
(20:56):
and you know, this is like nineteen seventy three or
something like that. You know, I was born in nineteen
seventy so this had to be in nineteen seventy three,
nineteen seventy four, so you can imagine the style of
art that we're dealing with. And it was a plaster
clown that had been painted, and I remember it very vividly,
you know, and I always thought it was very weird
that sometimes, you know, it was a clown, so it
(21:18):
was smiling sometimes, but other times it wasn't. It was frowning.
And I never even thought about that, right, So how
a plaster clown could be both smiling and frowning sometimes.
But you know, you're a little kid, you don't really
question these things. And I remember, probably a decade and
a half later, I probably was like fifteen or sixteen
or more, at my grandparents' house when they were still alive,
(21:40):
and you know, rummaging around and looking for treasures in
my grandma's house because she always my grandma grandpa's house
because he had such cool stuff in their like spare
rooms and garage and all that sort of stuff. And
I ran across the clown and it blew my mind
because there it was smiling. But yet I have clear
memories of it frowning at me. I guess as a
(22:00):
foreshadowing of psychological issues later in life for something I
don't know. And speaking of foreshadowing, another thing I witnessed
or I have a memory of, is that I was very,
very afraid of the dark when I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I think it's part of the reason that I embraced
the bigfoot thing, because I'm an advocate of if you're
afraid of something, you should just go jump into it,
get over it, you know. But I remember being I
was afraid of the dark, so might I would sleep
with my door open, you know, to let the ambient
light in from the of the rooms. And I remember
lying on my side one night and looking out the
(22:34):
door or whatever into that very same hallway, the hallway
I'm gonna get to in a minute, and I swear
I have a memory of a three three and a
half foot tall, hairy biped running past the door. How
crazy is that? Like? As far as foreshadowing. That's nice,
that is that's kind of weird, right, yeah, yeah, And
of course you know, I'm sure paranormal advocates are going
(22:55):
see they're inside your house, Cliff, I go, dude, I
was like three or three. Now, I suspect it was
something else, something that I don't think it was a
sasquatch in my house. Come on, I don't believe that
for a second. But you know, some other things I observed,
like one time, I swear to god, I saw seven
foot easter bunny at the end of the hall. But again,
I was like a kid, So what's real what's not?
I don't know. I still remember what the way it
(23:15):
looked though.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I saw six foot bunny when I was five. Really
it was my dad. It was my dad in the dark,
going around and in my mind, in my mind, he
turned into a six foot tall rabbit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
See, that's what I'm talking about. Like, as a kid, man,
you just don't know what's real and what's not. Which
are inventing which you know. It's like it's like kids
are tripping all the time on a hallucinogenics or something.
They just have that built into their brain.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
You know, I need the Easter Bunny was coming that night,
and you know, I heard movements. So I'm a pretty
light sleep, right, I heard something moving around, so I
jumped up and got out of bed and looked dark.
It was dark. There were no lights on or anything,
and I was just like, that's Eiester bunny. And then
I was yelling, sees somebody Seester bunny. And it turned
out it was just my dad.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You know, I've seen your dad. That's a reasonable reasonable
mix up there.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
There's one other thing that I remember very vividly, and
then this, This scared the the shah poop out of me.
This scared me bad. I remember again, I had a
night light because I was afraid of the dark when
I was very young, and I was probably like five
at this time or something like that. I remember lying
on my side, just like, you know, staring at the nightlight.
(24:24):
And I'm assuming this is some sort of in between
sleep and awake state hallucination, you know, that sort of thing,
you know, But I remember lying on my side, the
blankets over there, and you know, I'm just facing my
room and very slowly rising up from from where I
couldn't see it for like next to my bed. I
had a fear of things living under my bed too.
(24:46):
My mom, God was her. She would always say, don't
let the gorilla under your bed get you, which is
a horrible thing to say, is to a child. Because
there's a gorilla under my bed. I didn't know about this,
you know, and that scared me for a long time.
And I think that probably fed my or you know,
put some wind in my sails towards the Sasquatch Island
I live on now, you know, being afraid of these
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gorilla things under my bed. But I was lying on
my side and it was night, my parents were in bed,
I remember that. And then slowly rising up from next
to my bed was ahead of some sort and in
the light it appeared you know, gray or something like that.
And I just when the head started coming up next
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to my bed, I just remember it as this is
a little kid. I'm thinking, Oh my god, And I
froze in fear as this head slowly rose up until
I could see down to about its nose and it
was looking at me. And you know, at that time,
I had already been super interested and really in love
with the universal monsters, you know, Dracula, you know, Frankenstein
(25:51):
and Wolf all that kind of stuff. And at the time,
the thing I thought it looked like most was the
Phantom of the Opera. I think it's long chaining that
plays that, you know, with like the deep dark, sunken
black eyes and the weird looking nose and the big
forehead and all that sort of stuff. And it was
just and it rose up to about its nose and
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it was just looking at me, and of course I
was looking back at it, just horrified, absolutely petrified in fear.
And I remember it's like I was trying to yell,
which is why I think that maybe I was half
asleep because one of those things, but I couldn't do it.
I eventually yelled, and then when I did yell, it
(26:35):
just went poop back down underneath the bed. And then
that was horrifying and scary and every single way. And
I still remember all all of these events pretty well
as well as you can looking back, you know, fifty
years into an already cloudy memory, you know. But those
were some of the earliest weird things that I saw
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growing up and whatnot. But that's not what the question
was about. Even though I think they're pret interesting stories
and we're in this very very spooky, halloweeny kind of
things to share with the listeners. And yeah, these are
some of my experiences that I have filed away in
my in my memory.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There I almost forgot, I do you have my scariest
It was up in Hoopa, was staying at my buddy.
And where they lived was where Fort humblet was or
I think I was called Fort Humble Yeah, where they
where they were at Fort Humbles on Humble Bay, whatever
it was in Hoopa. There was like you listen says
ground had been stations out there for a while. And anyways,
(27:31):
there was the fort, there was a courthouse there, and
there was a tree, the hanging tree, and that tree
still aran. It was in my friend's yard and his
wife and we went to bed. She came in and goes,
if you have any problems, wrap this bible and ask
Jesus to help you. And I said, well, she goes,
if you need this, there's a bible here on the
butt on the nightstand, take it and say Jesus helped me,
(27:54):
and he will. I was like, all right, And so
you know, we were going to sleep, but are going
to bed. I was laying there and I was it
was a sodium light, like a you know, orange lake.
I don't know. I was a streetlight or a yard
light anyways, so that there was a light outside and
it was lighting up the room kind of. And then
I just remember feeling like this full negative evil energy
(28:17):
come in and I couldn't see anything, but this thing
like kind of came around me, like it was like
a heavy presence in it, and it came and started
crushing my chest and I couldn't breathe, and it started
pushing harder and harder, and I was frozen, and I
remember going like I'm wide out of I remember looking
over at the side, looking turning my head and looking
out the window, going okay, i can see the trees
(28:37):
and bushes, like I'm totally awake. I'm totally awake, but
I'm like it's it's got me locked up and I
can't move. It's freezing. It's frozen me, and it's just
crushing me. And I was like like having this battle
in my mind, going like get off me, get off me,
you know, like get off me, get out of here,
you know, like that kind of stuff. And then I
remember what she said about that Bible that I said Okay,
(28:57):
I gotta get to that Bible. I remember like just
struggling and struggling, like I got a hold the Bible
and I brought it and I brought it back to
over to my chest and I said, Jesus helped me.
She tell me everything lifted, I could breathe, and I
just sat up straight, like bolted up. And then I
jumped up out of bed. I was like panting, I
was out of breath, and I was just like, oh
my God. And I always told that story like I
(29:19):
you know, I had my demon encounter. That was a demon.
I mean, I know it was one of those you know,
lucid dreaming events, But that was the little scared I ever
was in any kind of situation like that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well, even if it is some sort of physiological or
psychological thing, it doesn't make it any less real for
the for you experiencing it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
No, that was terrifying.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Oh you know, I did have another ghost experience. I
lived in that Victory orient just big, huge Victoria. I
got converted in like nine different apartments and we were
above the old carriage house up like on the third floor,
and there was two of their apartments up there. I
was gone fishing or something. I came back and I
was like, there's someone broke into the attic up there,
and she goes, I was so scared. I was pre
(30:16):
they're going to come down into my bedroom. And I
was like, she goes, I know they ud they're moving
furniture up there, and they like they're living up there.
It sounds like. I was like, ah, that's weird, and
she said, but she hadn't heard it for a couple
of days. So a couple days later I was home
for a few days, and then that evening, it was
pretty early still, like seven or eight o'clock, we started
hearing someone walking up there and like ragging, like it's
(30:38):
like someone moving like a table, like just with one person,
like moving a table, like dragging it. You know. Then
you're like cowboy boots are like you know, hard, hard souls,
like you know, like dresses or something like this pump
punk punk like heavy footsteps. We're like, oh, there's someone
like there's someone up there. There's someone living up there.
So I goes, you know, this it is called tops
(30:58):
you know, get them busted. We called the cops and
like I was, probably raccoons broken up there. And they
went and got a ladder and they came up there
and put it up in the hallway and and went
up in there with their flashlights, and like they didn't
go up all the way. They just like poked their
head and shoulders from there and they flashed around and said,
there's nothing up here. I was like, that's the weirdest thing.
I was like his creed always say this place was
(31:20):
super haunted, and I was like, no way, And I
was like, I guess. So then then we heard when
we when we were in the hallway, we heard more
noise up there, and the cop went back up there
and shine the light around, and all of a sudden
he just goes And I was standing probably about eight
or feet back from him, of courses towards the entrance door,
and he just goes, well, jumped down off the ladder,
(31:43):
and everyone everyone like there was closter to him, the
media all the like at the scene, everyone like whoa, whoa.
And then all of a sudden, this oldest air like
like a twenty five degree difference, like drop like our
thirty degree difference. It was probably like six, like probably
fifty sixty degrees out like this thirty degree air just
slowly went not slowly but like walking speed, just went completely.
Engulfment went past me and everyone was freaking out on
(32:05):
the old map. Came down on them and went out
towards the exit door, and it smelt like roses, roses. Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, you know the I've had two ghost things happened
to well, maybe more, but two.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
To me.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I mean, I don't know what else, what other word
you'd put on it, except for some sort of ghost thing.
I don't know what else to explain it. Two ghost
things happened to me in my semi adult life in
adult life. I say semi adult because this happened in
between my ninth and tenth grade years in high school.
Because in ninth grade I took a Spanish and I
did not do well. I got a D in Spanish,
(32:44):
so I retook it during summer school, you know, to
go back and raise my grade up for GPA stuff,
which is funny because I speak Spanish all right now,
you know, it's pretty okay, But back then I just
did not get it. For whatever reason. I think that
it wasn't mentally mature enough to deal with it. Lot
of my subjects were like that. I think I probably
can do calculus now, for example, but I just wasn't
(33:05):
mentally maturn up when I tried it the first time.
But Spanish was a challenge for me at that time.
And so my parents would take vacations every summer, you know,
and they went without me, you know, which is fine
because I was getting at that age. I didn't want
to go anyway, but I couldn't. I was also too
young to be trusted at home alone, according to my parents,
So I had to go stay at my grandparents' house
(33:26):
on Stern's Sterns Avenue or road or whatever, down in
Long Beach, California. So I remember I was there and
one night I was lying in what used to be
my mother's bedroom and my grandmother used it for a
sewing room, and there's some old pictures of people who
I probably haven't related to, but I don't know, and
it's kind of a creepy place, stacks of fabric and
(33:49):
you know that kind of stuff, lying around and lying
in a bed, and I remember lying on my right
hand side watching the the i'll say, digital clock although
I mean, I imagine a lot of our audience might
be too young, but a lot of our audience is
not too young to know these kinds of digital clocks.
It wasn't like an LED screen or what everything like that.
It was remember those, I guess. It was like two cards,
(34:12):
a top fifty percent and a lower fifty percent, and
over both cards the number would be written, but at
certain times it would like flip. Yeah, I remember those.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I had a loe.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm not sure what that technology
is called, but I think some of our older listeners,
and I say older, like my age listeners, will remember those.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I remember staring at one of those clocks, and I
don't remember what time it was at the time when
it's happened, but I was, as far as I can tell,
I was awake. But you know, there's some argument there
maybe I wasn't, because weird things happened when you're in
between awake and a sleep, right, But as far as
I could tell, I was awake. I remember this quite vividly,
and I was lying on my right hand side looking
(34:52):
at the clock as I was saying, and then about
halfway down the bed, the sheets lifted up like like,
imagine again, this is just what I observed. Imagine somebody
grabbing the sheets with one hand and then lifting the
sheets up so it kind of had draped down from
that one place like in a triangular fashion.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's what it looked like to me. Somebody something and
the sheets lifted up. I should say that the sheets
lifted up as if somebody was lifting them up with
one hand. And and I'm like, like, going, what the
And then I felt the mattress at that same place
where it looked like the sheets were being lifted up,
the mattress started pushing down like somebody was getting into
(35:36):
bed with me, you know. And at that point I
was I was scared when the when the sheets were up,
but when the the mattress pushed down, like I was
very very frightened, and I kind of panicked and says
it was like halfway down the bed where I was
lying and I kind of lie in a fetal position.
What I did is I took my one of my
legs and I kicked like with the with the planner
(35:59):
surface of my foot, like the bottom sole of my
I kicked off that direction where this stuff was happening,
and I hit something. It felt like a person. It
felt like I was hitting a person, like in the
mid part of their belly or something like that, or
stirnham or something like that. And as I made contact,
(36:20):
I heard oh, and the sheet dropped. And that was
the end of it, except for the next two hours
laying awake in terror, not wanting to wake up my
grandparents or anything like that. And I mentioned it to
him later and they said, no, nothing's weird ever happened
here or whatever. You know, But that was the first
(36:41):
time that I think I encountered something immensely ghosty as
a kind of an adult, you know, little kid hallucinations aside,
But as an adult, that was the first time that
I encountered something that really scared me bad and that
I couldn't explain that I seemed to have my face about.
You know. It seems like I believe I was awake
(37:03):
during that time. Maybe I wasn't, and that's the explanation
for it. But even then, it's just scared the heck
out of it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
I guess, I don't know if I can count that
(37:24):
first one as a as a sighting of a ghost
because I didn't see what was doing it. I just
saw the effects of whatever was doing it.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, it's kind of weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I did.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I not tell you that story before.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Bobo nod that's gnarly.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Oh yeah it was. It was horrifying, absolutely horrifying. I
did not enjoy it. That's why I don't understand like
these ghost people, and we have them on the podcast,
you know, Nick Grob, Dave schraderor New Like, what are
you doing looking for ghosts?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That's I mean, I guess each their own. They're probably
looking at us, and why are you looking for giant apes?
It's horrifying. But I feel the same about them. It's
like I just don't get it, Like why would you
want to go do that? I guess the search for
the unknown or thinking that they're benign or I don't
know what it was. I mean, I lived, so my
soul's okay, I seemed and then at the second time,
and this is much more recently, this was seven years ago.
(38:12):
This one happened here and it didn't happen to my
house where I live now, it happened to my house.
At my house I lived in Portland, the small little
house over there off of Sandy Boulevard. So Melissa and
I met her on the show. We dated for a
few years, fell in love, decided to give it a go,
and so Melissa said that she would be willing to
(38:33):
live in Oregon. You know. So after all that stuff happened,
what I did is I flew out to Pittsburgh, and
then Melissa and I drove out together in her vehicle,
you know, and we always shipped some of her belongings out,
that sort of stuff, and so, you know, it was
like a wonderful, cool road trip. Took about a week
(38:53):
or so to get out here, four or five six
days to get out here, I can't remember. And then
we get back on I'd have to ask Melissa exact days,
but I'll tell you best my memory, and give me.
Forgive me if I'm a day or two off, if
I remember right. We got back on a Friday, okay.
And then Friday night or Saturday morning, we get a
(39:14):
call that Melissa's grandmother is not doing well. Her grandmother
on her mother's side, she is not doing well. It
looks like she's probably going to pass away in the
next couple of days, that sort of stuff. So literally,
Melissa arrives on a Friday, Saturday, we get the news Sunday,
I believe it was Sunday. We put her on a
(39:35):
plane to go back to Pittsburgh to go be with
her family during this horrible time or you know, solemn time.
Really at least that when her grandmother is passing away. Right, So,
and I get the word on Monday morning that Grandma
had passed away. Okay, so at least Melissa got to
go back in time and all that chize. And I believe,
(39:56):
at least this is what I remember. I could be
wrong about some of this stuff. So Monday morning, I
believe Grandma died. Melissa was still in Pittsburgh. So I'm
at the house Monday, Monday. Monday nights, I go to sleep,
you know, as I normally do, and then at some
point in the night I don't know when, I didn't
catch the time or anything like that, for whatever reason,
(40:20):
I woke up. Now to set the scene, the room's
about maybe ten twelve feet square more or less. The
door is on one corner, the bed is on the
opposite wall. Of the door and on the opposite side
of the room, so facing the door. I was lying
on my right hand side again as I often do,
so I could see the doorway, and the blinds are
(40:42):
got letting a little bit of light in, so that
the room has this creepy sort of bluish tinge to it,
you know. And so I wake up in the middle
of the night, I don't know when, and everything's blue
and kind of creepy, and I just kind of wake up,
and I look over to the door, which is open,
and there's a there's a woman standing in my doorway.
She looks to me kind of like Melissa, you know.
(41:06):
She had blondish hair, She was looking down, she was
looking downwards, just standing there. She was in a nightgown,
like a just kind of a nighty sort of thing,
like a loose sort of white, whitish thing that went
down to about her knees. She didn't wasn't wearing any
shoes at all. I remember seeing that. And she was
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kind of blondish hair, at least in the weird like
nighttime moonlight sort of thing. It looked like she had
blondish hair or at least light colored hair. And she
was looking down and I could not see her face.
She was doing a strange movement. Her arms were just
hanging by her side, and she was like stepping to
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her left foot, then back to the right foot, then
back to the left foot back. It almost like swaying,
but like stepping back and forth looking down. Hair aped
over her face, obscuring all of her features. But to
me for all the world, she looked like Melissa in
that same position.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
And at this point, you know, I'm an adult, this
is seven years ago in my forties. I go, well,
I'm clearly dreaming this, right, So I kind of like
take a moment. I shake my head a little bit.
I literally rubbed physically rub my eyes and just take
a moment breathe, like this will solve the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I look back up, and the figure's still there, doing
the same thing, kind of going back and forth, stepping
side by side slowly.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I can't see her face that whole thing. And that's
when I get real scared, because I figured, well, I'm
going to wash this lady right out of my eyes here,
you know. But did not work. When I looked back up,
she was still standing there. At that point, well, it's
dark in the room. So I reached my hand out
to the little night stand with a lamp on it.
I reached my hand out, then turn on the light.
(43:01):
And as soon as my hand goes out, and this
this woman i'll call her that, it's about five and
a half feet tall or so something like that. Her
entire height condenses down like from from her feet, her
goes it goes up from her head, it goes down
and condenses into this blur like this swoosh like and
(43:23):
it swooshed out of the room and down the hall
towards the living room. You've been to my house, so Bobe,
you know, you kind of picture this. It was like
the moments I reached my hand down, of course, I
did turn the light on, and nothing was there. And
I was just horrified and scared. And I look and
so she's not in the room. My dog, So I
call her, soji were soja come here? Come here? And
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she kind of trots in the room wondering like what's up.
A few moments later she was sleeping in the couch
in the living room. And that's it. That's the end
of that story, really, because except for again being scared
and horrified for the next hour or two until I
fall asleep again my adrenaline drops. So I don't know
what that was. Maybe it was I kind of have
an idea maybe, since it did that figure did in
(44:10):
fact look like Melissa. I think that maybe that was
Grandma coming to check on her on her on her
way out the door, so to speak. I don't really know.
It did look like Melissa to me, though, except I
couldn't see her face, and but you know, Grandma didn't
have that color hair, and Grandma doesn't really look like
Melissa and all this other stuff. But you know, souls
may appear a little bit different than the outside appearances could.
(44:33):
So anyway, those are my two ghost stories for this
Halloween episode here, So there you go.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
That what is your grand parents house? That's one that
freaks me out, Like that's pretty gnarly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I didn't like either one, honestly. I mean, although I
got to see the second one, at least the first one,
I just saw the effects of it, lifting the blanket
and getting in a bed and all that stuff, but
I didn't get to see anything about a few weird
things happen here too, actually at the house here, but
not very many. But you know what I think would
be a good thing to do is it is I've
had one or two things at the house here. We
(45:08):
can talk about that in the members section, And I
know Matt Pruitt has a good story associated with Halloween
as well. But Melissa, my wife, has consented to coming
on the member section and telling a few of our
own ghost encounters because she's had some weird things happened
through her time. So yeah, so our members will get
(45:29):
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Speaker 2 (46:25):
Or click the link the show notes.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh yeah, or as Matt Proudge said, you can also
click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Well speak how it goes there. So the serious voice
coming in out of the ether there.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I was going to say, we talk to a ghost
every week, the ghost of James Boba fe beloved dear Fred. Yeah,
our deceased friend brings light into every room he ever entered.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
God rest his soul, God rest your soul, Bobo.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I think your soul is restless because you're you're with
us once a week.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, how would that be if Bobo did die like
ten years ago and we've been dealing with a ghost
all this time?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
He say dude, the afterlife sucks.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
It's lame. Okay, folks. Well that's it for another episode
of Bigfoot and Beyond. We got the beyond it on
this episode. Not too much Bigfoot or keep it teat
to our name. Well anyways, thanks for supporting us. Hope
you have a great Halloween, and until next time, y'all
keep it squatchy.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stock and me.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Keep its watching.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello, Bobs up nothing man, just chilling hanging out, getting
ready to do a podcast right here.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I thought, my, you're gonnay, I'm getting ready, like building
Melissa's haunted house stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well that is for after the podcast today. Actually, there's
a couple of things on my agenda, and certainly getting
all the halloween stuff out of the shop is part
of that. You know, Sammy, she has more than one
complete shelving unit, and you know, like I build these
shelving units out a two by fours there they're you know,
two feet by eight feet essentially, and she has more
than one full of just halloween stuff. So that is
(01:06):
gonna be a big part of my afternoon today. So yeah,
we're gonna go buy some pumpkins and all that sort
of stuff because it is Halloween time, which is at
least half the year at my house, but it's also
the most important season of the year, So that's kind
of what I'm up to so today, at least today yesterday,
though I was in the woods, I got out to
the woods yesterday a little bit found a possible track way.
(01:28):
It was pretty vague interesting. I mean, it wasn't just
like one print in the ground, and it wasn't clear
by any means, but there were toes at least what
I'm interpreting is toes. But it was on a rocky
gravelly road, actually the same spot I took you when
you me and Dave went out last year. At some
point right at that intersection there, I observed four tracks
(01:50):
in the ground, and I think I was a three track,
no One two. There were three clearly observable, and I
think I'm missing one, and there was also a partial
that might have been one. It's hard to say. So yeah,
I thought I was missing one in the sequence of tracks.
But if these were Sasquatch tracks, I cast one as usual.
(02:11):
It looks terrible. But if these were Sasquatch tracks, it
was I may measured about fifteen inches long a little
bit more, which is a different new size, new size
for this place. So far, I've only gotten the fourteen
which is actually a thirteen and a half and twelve,
which is actually only eleven and a half. But there's
a decent chance that this is actually the thirteen and
(02:32):
a half or fourteen inch individual, just leaving a little
bit bigger print as all. So I don't know. I
don't know, but it might be a new one. So
I'm going to keep my eye on the area, try
to get out there once or twice a week as
weather permits. Although I shouldn't even say as weather permits,
because it dumped on me yesterday when I was out there.
I was out there alone, just walking in the downpours,
getting soaked. Man, it was cold and wet. And then
(02:54):
I went to a different elevation and sure enough, snow yesterday.
Snow no way, yeah, I mean, I mean, not only
was it just hailing because the tumultuous weather, but there
was actually light dusting of snow everywhere.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it's winters here, man, It's the middle of October
and the winter's already here.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
So well, I guess that's not that out of the
organ I guess for this time of the year, and
it's a little early, but unheard of.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, No, this is the time when the light switch
changes and suddenly it's not nice every day anymore and stuff,
and it's basically winter. So yeah, I think the upper
elevations are going to be closed now. I might be
able to squeeze one more trip up to Timothy Lake
or something like that, but that's about it. After that,
I think it'll be done. I'd like to go poke
around there. Some tracks are found in November of last year,
(03:43):
just outside of the Timothy Lake area. I'd like to
go check out that area, walk around, see if there's
anything going on that I can detect. But we will see,
we will see. We're at the mercy of mother nature
as usual. Anything going on with you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'm just down with the folks has done so, I
also not do much. I've called Wally a couple of times,
trying to get ahold of them, but I haven't heard
back anything.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, you know there's other people down there too. Maybe
you can get together some of the old funny big
foot folks or something and hang out with them and
be good to see them, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Or organize a pigeons reunion.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Or yeah, pigeon reunion. Now, I'd get the flock back together.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
There is gonna be a little bit of one on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Really get some pictures for us.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of guys.
It's where we went to a grade school. In junior high.
There is the annual fair, So we'll go down there.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh yeah, I go perch a little bit in some
of those trees used to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Hang that in. Those are all gone. Not because of
us either.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You might be too big to perch in those things nowadays. Anyway,
you've grown a little bit since then.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I talked with you for yesterday. He did tell me
that where the origin of the word, because I can't
remember where the pigeon came from. It it was because
when he was in when him and tr another pigeon,
were in grade school, like seventh grade or something, that
coach wanted to calm the sea their soccer team and
it was a sisters team's name in the year before
(05:05):
was the Seagulls, and so they were protesting that it
was a girl tame name, and the coach goes, what
do you want me to call you guys the pigeons,
And those guys thought that was pretty cool. So they
that's where the name came from, you.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Know, you could have called yourself the he Goals. When
we get old, we can call ourselves the bald Hegels.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's good to let you're on fire.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No, I haven't changed a bit, Bobs. I'm just wearing
you down. You're coming to the dark side. You're just
appreciating my humor more. You're changing. It's not me.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I appreciate the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Uh well, anyway, it's it is Halloween times. So we
thought that maybe a fun thing to do for this
particular episode is kind of get into the spookier side
of things and you get outside the Bigfoot thing just
for a second, go beyond Bigfoot, if you will. So
a couple of people have been writing in and then
asking for some stuff. So maybe I'll pass the microphone
(06:04):
to Matt prou and you can kind of set us
up here.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
One of our members on the Patreon side, Nick Mackay,
had written in for our members only Q and A episodes,
and he had said quote Cliff had alluded to a
ghostly experience in the past. Although I'm a firm believer
in the Squatch, I'm more of a skeptic when it
comes to ghosts. Nevertheless, I love to hear ghostly stories
and was hoping you guys might have something to tell,
And so I thought, you know, rather than doing that
(06:28):
in an answer to a question, in a whole series
of questions, since it's Halloween, we could be fun to
do a whole Halloween special episode because I know both
you guys have some pretty good ghost stories.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, I've had some really weird things happened to me
in my life, and you know, and people might be
surprised because I'm the science s guy or whatever, you know,
I'm an advocate of science and all that sort of stuff.
But at the same time, I've had weird stuff happened.
My weird antenna has been up for quite a while,
and when your antenna is up, it attracts the right
kinds of stuff. The whole reason I liked the Bigfoot
(07:02):
thing is because I was such a weird kid essentially
and weird young adult. I just liked unusual things, you know,
And I stumbled across Bigfoot stuff and I realized that
it wasn't as weird as I thought. And the weird stuff,
you know, could go in a different corner of my
life just for entertaining thought experiments, whereas this bigfoot thing, Well,
(07:23):
that's biology, you know, and I can apply biological methods
and that sort of stuff to it, and that's what
I started doing. So I don't think there's anything weird
or paranormal about sasquatches at all, really, And many people
would disagree, and that's fine, do what you want to do.
But I'm only basing on my experience, my thirty years
plus experience in this field, being around these things, having
(07:46):
seen one or two of them in my life, been
tracking them and smelling them and hearing them. Never ever, ever, once,
if I ever had anything weird happen to me that
out of the ordinary around bigfoot stuff. So I don't
think there's anything there. But that is I mean that
I don't enjoy the idea or of paranormal things, you know.
So just to dispel that incorrect belief and rumor that
(08:09):
circulates about me out there that I'm no fun about
all that sort of stuff, I just don't think it
applies to bigfoot in any way whatsoever. But yeah, I've
certainly had some ghost stuff, and I know Bobo has
had more than his fair share of ghost weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Too, fair share, not more than more than well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You're fair share okay, yeah, Bobo. Here here's a question
for you. Before I launched a couple of short stories here,
how far back can you remember, Like how old were
you when you had some some of your very very
first weird things happened to.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
You My next door neighbor's house, which since it's been
torn down. When I was growing up, they had weird
stuff out at their house, Like did hear the drawers
like the civil ware George stuff like that in the kitchen,
Like it was like those little round circle latches that
like run a hen so like you lived at a
circle finger and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Pulled the drawer out, oh kah, kind of like a
door knocker or something like.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
That, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, those would go off sometimes.
I heard that a couple times. They talk about it,
and I heard it once or twice.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And how old were you then?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Junior high like maybe like you know, under sixteen, like
anywhere from twelve to fifteen. But I didn't seeing or
hear anything. They never felt anything. The person I had
that was like really weird para normally was the Evering
around two thousand, two thousand and two somewhere there was
when I had my first where I saw like that
(09:33):
shadow thing.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, you tell us a little bit more about that.
I don't, I don't. I can't remember which one this is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Oh. I was living in that house and we were
moving out, and I had that by big pit bull Dday,
that big one hundred and five pound pit bull that
was like a really good guard dog, and he was
he was chilling there with me and I was in
the bedroom and we had a big open door with
like a ten foot wide doorway going into the kitchen
(09:59):
area from the the living room dining room. There's an
old house with like the fourth oldest house in Arcada.
So and everyone told us it was haunted, but it
made so much noise all the time anyways that you know,
stuff settles and temperature changes. You know, there's pops and
all that kind of sounds. And so I never I
never listened to people and they say those places wanted.
(10:20):
I can feel it, and I was like, I don't,
I don't know. This seems fine to me. And then
after being there for several years, it was moving out
and I was actually unloading my shotgun, you know, put
it in the truck and move it. And as I
was unloading it, I see the my bedroom door look
out into the dining room right where it went into
the living room. I mean it in the kitchen area.
(10:40):
The kitchener had like a like a ten foot wide doorway,
you know. So we had an old quilt pinned up
over that to keep the heat in the living room
and dining area where we hung out because the kitchen
was big and kind of drafty. And I was sitting
there and all of a sudden I saw it when
I like, it looked like a uh like just someone
like whatever. All it was just all black, like a shadow. Yeah,
(11:03):
that curtain lifted up and the shadow went through like
where the curtain looked up, it went through. And I
was like, I thought it was like someone saw that
thought the house was empty because we were moving out,
but came into sea or something. I didn't know what
it was. And I had my shot and I ran
out and DD he was barking and charging out and
my next onever was flushing his engine on his on
his outboard right there boat was there, and I said, dude,
(11:26):
I go, and he's like, no one's no one's here.
And I ran and looked down through the field and
there was there was no one there, and I was like,
they must all they went into the bathroom. So I
got DJ we ran back in the house because he
could go off the kitchen into the bathroom and there's
a pantry in there, and I thought, it's in the
pantry of the bathroom, and I ran and there was
no one in there, and I thought, well, they must
have circled back through the house and there was nobody there.
(11:47):
And then a couple years that I've heard about the
shadow people whatever you like, people like there's just a
silhouette of a black shadow and that's I guess what
I saw. It was. It was perplexing and befuddling, but
it wasn't like scary.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense, I mean,
because not all ghost things or whatever are scary.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Sometimes you're like, what the heck was that? Then you
realize later that shouldn't have been there. I've even heard
of bigfoot reports like that where they thought it was
a person or whatever, and then later on was wait,
that wasn't a person. You just thought it was something normal,
which is probably the first instinct of most people. Stay
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Speaker 4 (14:20):
I did have one another weird thing happened the time
I saw was I remember it was December two thousand
and one, and I was staying at the Volcanhouse on
North Shore, a walk he read at Pipeline and one
of the guys lived this guy Brucey Bruce Earns. He'd
won the Pipe Masters that day. There's this huge party
(14:41):
and so it's just going richter. And then that night
I was outside because it started getting pretty dark and
like real bad energy, like really better. There was a
bunch of fights and then so I was outside with
this guy Kai Kyborg. He was like two time super
heavyweight street Fighting Chapter of the World down on Rio.
It was himming, and this guy Sunny Garcia, who was
(15:02):
like this. He was a really well known kind of
Hawaiian guy, like he'd win the world title like the
year before or two years before, something like that for
a pro server. He was a big, pretty buff dude.
He was. He was a known tough guy whatever. And
so the three of us are sitting out there talking
and we were like, my masis is getting pretty ugly
in there, and Ty was getting ready to throw everybody out.
(15:24):
So we're sitting and I'm looking I had my back
to the house looking at the ocean, and Ty was forty.
He was like a ninety yeree angle from the beach
looking he was looking down like up up the beach,
looking east. And then Sonny was he had his back
to the ocean looking at the party. Then be off
to like Sonny's left shoulder on the right side on
my right in the bushes, it's just a small space
(15:46):
like maybe twelve feet wide, like fifteen feet at the most,
like twelve feet were some bushes there along between and
sand and the and the where it drops off down
on the beach from the property, there's there's still about
twelve foot space and in those bushes, I swear to
you also there's like three heads just kind of I materialized.
They were all kind of brown, like what were they
(16:07):
almost see through looking, but they were like three or
four times the size of a normal human head. They were.
They were big. They were probably like you know, two
foot by like you know, twenty four by eighteen inches
or something like that, you know, something like that. And
they were all like touching each other, like three dots
like a pyramid shape, almost like like a pyramid tilted
on its side. I guess, Eric hunos whatever. So that
(16:28):
was a hey out. That was a hay out they sacrifice.
Right where we were standing was a hayout. They used
to do sacrifices there. What's a heyout like a temple
old Hawaiian temple area. So I go, no way, I'm like,
there's some ghost heads and I don't I don't think
even looks. He just goes and Sonny just started chanting, dude,
and I guess, I guess, but he was singing. It
(16:50):
was like a chant was he was saying I'm sunny
from the this and this family line, and you chant
out like your your back of your family linear and
who your family vanquished, because those might be ghosts of
someone that your family killed, that you killed them. It's
not like you got to be scared because your family
killed him. Is like we're more powerful than you, Like
(17:11):
this is my family line, Like whatever your family line is,
you're not as powerful with my family line. It's kind
of like how I guess he explained it later, but
like he started chating like like these Hawaiian I didn't
know what the hell he was saying. I guess it
was mostly just names, like saying like the son of
the son of that. And then Tony closed your eyes
and looked down. They both had their eyes closed looking down,
(17:31):
and I did. And then I close my eyes and
looked down. I waited about thirty six. I opened up
my looks and I go, they're still there. He's like,
close your eyes and look down, and he just didn't
say nothing, and Sonny was doing his little pant thing.
Then I closed my eyes for like another thirty teaingons
I opened them again, they were gone. Yeah, So that's
the only time i've ever seen the ghosts. Really, yeah,
(17:54):
I thought I thought a second settlement in Ohio. But
it turned out to not be a shadow man.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, that was actually a Sasquatch. Yeah, that that was.
That was pretty funny. I remember I went to the
You were in the suv at the time because you'd
already finished your interview, and I go, bobes Man, there's
a dude. You go, Clive, I think I saw a
shadow man. What there are shadow mass No, No, you
you saw a Sasquatch. I came here to tell you
(18:20):
there's one here right now. It's like shadow man. That's
that's the most logical explanation. That was a big foot man.
It followed us back to the base camp. It was cool. Yeah,
Flippy had a rock strewn at him. I heard knocks
while I was doing my interview, and several of the
producers got, you know, pretty close with that thing. And
I know you saw it, and a couple other people
heard it and got scared out of their place and stuff.
And that's not paranormal, that's just the big foot stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So that female pretty sure that smoked cigarettes, that she
was banished and gout and smoked away from you. Know,
the main area. She went down by the river. She
thought it was met with her, like going back and forth, grumbling,
mumbling and like picking rocks down in the creek, and
then it came up and walked up behind and oh
and she's flipped out and ran and shut herself like
(19:03):
I didn't tell anybody till till afterwards that had happened
to her.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, some pretty cool stuff happened off camera, And of
course if it doesn't happen on camera, it doesn't make
the show, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, well, you know,
so you sound like you're you're dip into that the
weird paranormal ghost stuff happened pretty late in life. Yeah,
because I look back at my life and I don't know.
I mean, when you're when you're really young, it's hard
to say what's real and what's not, you know, because
(19:30):
I think that the little look at the way like
small small young children behave like they're clearly on a
different level, you know, they're they're the veil is much
thinner for them, right, It's kind of like cats, you know.
I do like small children, I mean like two or
three years old, maybe four, that they're kind of like cats.
They see things and experience or reality that the adults
(19:53):
just simply do not.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So I look back at some of the things that
happened to me when I was very, very young, and
I would venture a guess I was three or four
years old, and I don't know what's real. I assume
a lot of this stuff isn't real. But I had
some very weird things happened to me back then. One
of the earliest memories I have is being at the
end of the hallway. We had a long hallway in
(20:15):
my house, you know, connected all three of the bedrooms
in some various ways to the living room and stuff.
And I remember, I don't even know how young I was. Again,
this is one of my earliest foggy I do remember
being in my crib. I have a couple weird memories
of being in my crib.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Cheeze.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That just reminded me of another one. Yeah, I'll tell
you that one.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
First.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I do remember lying in my crib. And again I
don't know how old I was when I graduated out
of my crib, but I remember lying on my crib
and it was a wooden crib. I remember the room
it was in, ended up being my bedroom, you know,
through my adolescents and stuff. And on the wall was
a painted plaster clown, you know, like y'all painted up,
(20:56):
and you know, this is like nineteen seventy three or
something like that. You know, I was born in nineteen
seventy so this had to be in nineteen seventy three,
nineteen seventy four, so you can imagine the style of
art that we're dealing with. And it was a plaster
clown that had been painted, and I remember it very vividly,
you know, and I always thought it was very weird
that sometimes, you know, it was a clown, so it
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was smiling sometimes, but other times it wasn't. It was frowning.
And I never even thought about that, right, So how
a plaster clown could be both smiling and frowning sometimes.
But you know, you're a little kid, you don't really
question these things. And I remember, probably a decade and
a half later, I probably was like fifteen or sixteen
or more, at my grandparents' house when they were still alive,
(21:40):
and you know, rummaging around and looking for treasures in
my grandma's house because she always my grandma grandpa's house
because he had such cool stuff in their like spare
rooms and garage and all that sort of stuff. And
I ran across the clown and it blew my mind
because there it was smiling. But yet I have clear
memories of it frowning at me. I guess as a
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foreshadowing of psychological issues later in life for something I
don't know. And speaking of foreshadowing, another thing I witnessed
or I have a memory of, is that I was very,
very afraid of the dark when I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I think it's part of the reason that I embraced
the bigfoot thing, because I'm an advocate of if you're
afraid of something, you should just go jump into it,
get over it, you know. But I remember being I
was afraid of the dark, so might I would sleep
with my door open, you know, to let the ambient
light in from the of the rooms. And I remember
lying on my side one night and looking out the
(22:34):
door or whatever into that very same hallway, the hallway
I'm gonna get to in a minute, and I swear
I have a memory of a three three and a
half foot tall, hairy biped running past the door. How
crazy is that? Like? As far as foreshadowing. That's nice,
that is that's kind of weird, right, yeah, yeah, And
of course you know, I'm sure paranormal advocates are going
(22:55):
see they're inside your house, Cliff, I go, dude, I
was like three or three. Now, I suspect it was
something else, something that I don't think it was a
sasquatch in my house. Come on, I don't believe that
for a second. But you know, some other things I observed,
like one time, I swear to god, I saw seven
foot easter bunny at the end of the hall. But again,
I was like a kid, So what's real what's not?
I don't know. I still remember what the way it
(23:15):
looked though.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I saw six foot bunny when I was five. Really
it was my dad. It was my dad in the dark,
going around and in my mind, in my mind, he
turned into a six foot tall rabbit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
See, that's what I'm talking about. Like, as a kid, man,
you just don't know what's real and what's not. Which
are inventing which you know. It's like it's like kids
are tripping all the time on a hallucinogenics or something.
They just have that built into their brain.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
You know, I need the Easter Bunny was coming that night,
and you know, I heard movements. So I'm a pretty
light sleep, right, I heard something moving around, so I
jumped up and got out of bed and looked dark.
It was dark. There were no lights on or anything,
and I was just like, that's Eiester bunny. And then
I was yelling, sees somebody Seester bunny. And it turned
out it was just my dad.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You know, I've seen your dad. That's a reasonable reasonable
mix up there.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
There's one other thing that I remember very vividly, and
then this, This scared the the shah poop out of me.
This scared me bad. I remember again, I had a
night light because I was afraid of the dark when
I was very young, and I was probably like five
at this time or something like that. I remember lying
on my side, just like, you know, staring at the nightlight.
(24:24):
And I'm assuming this is some sort of in between
sleep and awake state hallucination, you know, that sort of thing,
you know, But I remember lying on my side, the
blankets over there, and you know, I'm just facing my
room and very slowly rising up from from where I
couldn't see it for like next to my bed. I
had a fear of things living under my bed too.
(24:46):
My mom, God was her. She would always say, don't
let the gorilla under your bed get you, which is
a horrible thing to say, is to a child. Because
there's a gorilla under my bed. I didn't know about this,
you know, and that scared me for a long time.
And I think that probably fed my or you know,
put some wind in my sails towards the Sasquatch Island
I live on now, you know, being afraid of these
(25:07):
gorilla things under my bed. But I was lying on
my side and it was night, my parents were in bed,
I remember that. And then slowly rising up from next
to my bed was ahead of some sort and in
the light it appeared you know, gray or something like that.
And I just when the head started coming up next
(25:28):
to my bed, I just remember it as this is
a little kid. I'm thinking, Oh my god, And I
froze in fear as this head slowly rose up until
I could see down to about its nose and it
was looking at me. And you know, at that time,
I had already been super interested and really in love
with the universal monsters, you know, Dracula, you know, Frankenstein
(25:51):
and Wolf all that kind of stuff. And at the time,
the thing I thought it looked like most was the
Phantom of the Opera. I think it's long chaining that
plays that, you know, with like the deep dark, sunken
black eyes and the weird looking nose and the big
forehead and all that sort of stuff. And it was
just and it rose up to about its nose and
(26:14):
it was just looking at me, and of course I
was looking back at it, just horrified, absolutely petrified in fear.
And I remember it's like I was trying to yell,
which is why I think that maybe I was half
asleep because one of those things, but I couldn't do it.
I eventually yelled, and then when I did yell, it
(26:35):
just went poop back down underneath the bed. And then
that was horrifying and scary and every single way. And
I still remember all all of these events pretty well
as well as you can looking back, you know, fifty
years into an already cloudy memory, you know. But those
were some of the earliest weird things that I saw
(26:55):
growing up and whatnot. But that's not what the question
was about. Even though I think they're pret interesting stories
and we're in this very very spooky, halloweeny kind of
things to share with the listeners. And yeah, these are
some of my experiences that I have filed away in
my in my memory.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There I almost forgot, I do you have my scariest
It was up in Hoopa, was staying at my buddy.
And where they lived was where Fort humblet was or
I think I was called Fort Humble Yeah, where they
where they were at Fort Humbles on Humble Bay, whatever
it was in Hoopa. There was like you listen says
ground had been stations out there for a while. And anyways,
(27:31):
there was the fort, there was a courthouse there, and
there was a tree, the hanging tree, and that tree
still aran. It was in my friend's yard and his
wife and we went to bed. She came in and goes,
if you have any problems, wrap this bible and ask
Jesus to help you. And I said, well, she goes,
if you need this, there's a bible here on the
butt on the nightstand, take it and say Jesus helped me,
(27:54):
and he will. I was like, all right, And so
you know, we were going to sleep, but are going
to bed. I was laying there and I was it
was a sodium light, like a you know, orange lake.
I don't know. I was a streetlight or a yard
light anyways, so that there was a light outside and
it was lighting up the room kind of. And then
I just remember feeling like this full negative evil energy
(28:17):
come in and I couldn't see anything, but this thing
like kind of came around me, like it was like
a heavy presence in it, and it came and started
crushing my chest and I couldn't breathe, and it started
pushing harder and harder, and I was frozen, and I
remember going like I'm wide out of I remember looking
over at the side, looking turning my head and looking
out the window, going okay, i can see the trees
(28:37):
and bushes, like I'm totally awake. I'm totally awake, but
I'm like it's it's got me locked up and I
can't move. It's freezing. It's frozen me, and it's just
crushing me. And I was like like having this battle
in my mind, going like get off me, get off me,
you know, like get off me, get out of here,
you know, like that kind of stuff. And then I
remember what she said about that Bible that I said Okay,
(28:57):
I gotta get to that Bible. I remember like just
struggling and struggling, like I got a hold the Bible
and I brought it and I brought it back to
over to my chest and I said, Jesus helped me.
She tell me everything lifted, I could breathe, and I
just sat up straight, like bolted up. And then I
jumped up out of bed. I was like panting, I
was out of breath, and I was just like, oh
my God. And I always told that story like I
(29:19):
you know, I had my demon encounter. That was a demon.
I mean, I know it was one of those you know,
lucid dreaming events, But that was the little scared I ever
was in any kind of situation like that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well, even if it is some sort of physiological or
psychological thing, it doesn't make it any less real for
the for you experiencing it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
No, that was terrifying.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Oh you know, I did have another ghost experience. I
lived in that Victory orient just big, huge Victoria. I
got converted in like nine different apartments and we were
above the old carriage house up like on the third floor,
and there was two of their apartments up there. I
was gone fishing or something. I came back and I
was like, there's someone broke into the attic up there,
and she goes, I was so scared. I was pre
(30:16):
they're going to come down into my bedroom. And I
was like, she goes, I know they ud they're moving
furniture up there, and they like they're living up there.
It sounds like. I was like, ah, that's weird, and
she said, but she hadn't heard it for a couple
of days. So a couple days later I was home
for a few days, and then that evening, it was
pretty early still, like seven or eight o'clock, we started
hearing someone walking up there and like ragging, like it's
(30:38):
like someone moving like a table, like just with one person,
like moving a table, like dragging it. You know. Then
you're like cowboy boots are like you know, hard, hard souls,
like you know, like dresses or something like this pump
punk punk like heavy footsteps. We're like, oh, there's someone
like there's someone up there. There's someone living up there.
So I goes, you know, this it is called tops
(30:58):
you know, get them busted. We called the cops and
like I was, probably raccoons broken up there. And they
went and got a ladder and they came up there
and put it up in the hallway and and went
up in there with their flashlights, and like they didn't
go up all the way. They just like poked their
head and shoulders from there and they flashed around and said,
there's nothing up here. I was like, that's the weirdest thing.
I was like his creed always say this place was
(31:20):
super haunted, and I was like, no way, And I
was like, I guess. So then then we heard when
we when we were in the hallway, we heard more
noise up there, and the cop went back up there
and shine the light around, and all of a sudden
he just goes And I was standing probably about eight
or feet back from him, of courses towards the entrance door,
and he just goes, well, jumped down off the ladder,
(31:43):
and everyone everyone like there was closter to him, the
media all the like at the scene, everyone like whoa, whoa.
And then all of a sudden, this oldest air like
like a twenty five degree difference, like drop like our
thirty degree difference. It was probably like six, like probably
fifty sixty degrees out like this thirty degree air just
slowly went not slowly but like walking speed, just went completely.
Engulfment went past me and everyone was freaking out on
(32:05):
the old map. Came down on them and went out
towards the exit door, and it smelt like roses, roses. Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, you know the I've had two ghost things happened
to well, maybe more, but two.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
To me.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I mean, I don't know what else, what other word
you'd put on it, except for some sort of ghost thing.
I don't know what else to explain it. Two ghost
things happened to me in my semi adult life in
adult life. I say semi adult because this happened in
between my ninth and tenth grade years in high school.
Because in ninth grade I took a Spanish and I
did not do well. I got a D in Spanish,
(32:44):
so I retook it during summer school, you know, to
go back and raise my grade up for GPA stuff,
which is funny because I speak Spanish all right now,
you know, it's pretty okay, But back then I just
did not get it. For whatever reason. I think that
it wasn't mentally mature enough to deal with it. Lot
of my subjects were like that. I think I probably
can do calculus now, for example, but I just wasn't
(33:05):
mentally maturn up when I tried it the first time.
But Spanish was a challenge for me at that time.
And so my parents would take vacations every summer, you know,
and they went without me, you know, which is fine
because I was getting at that age. I didn't want
to go anyway, but I couldn't. I was also too
young to be trusted at home alone, according to my parents,
So I had to go stay at my grandparents' house
(33:26):
on Stern's Sterns Avenue or road or whatever, down in
Long Beach, California. So I remember I was there and
one night I was lying in what used to be
my mother's bedroom and my grandmother used it for a
sewing room, and there's some old pictures of people who
I probably haven't related to, but I don't know, and
it's kind of a creepy place, stacks of fabric and
(33:49):
you know that kind of stuff, lying around and lying
in a bed, and I remember lying on my right
hand side watching the the i'll say, digital clock although
I mean, I imagine a lot of our audience might
be too young, but a lot of our audience is
not too young to know these kinds of digital clocks.
It wasn't like an LED screen or what everything like that.
It was remember those, I guess. It was like two cards,
(34:12):
a top fifty percent and a lower fifty percent, and
over both cards the number would be written, but at
certain times it would like flip. Yeah, I remember those.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I had a loe.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm not sure what that technology
is called, but I think some of our older listeners,
and I say older, like my age listeners, will remember those.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I remember staring at one of those clocks, and I
don't remember what time it was at the time when
it's happened, but I was, as far as I can tell,
I was awake. But you know, there's some argument there
maybe I wasn't, because weird things happened when you're in
between awake and a sleep, right, But as far as
I could tell, I was awake. I remember this quite vividly,
and I was lying on my right hand side looking
(34:52):
at the clock as I was saying, and then about
halfway down the bed, the sheets lifted up like like,
imagine again, this is just what I observed. Imagine somebody
grabbing the sheets with one hand and then lifting the
sheets up so it kind of had draped down from
that one place like in a triangular fashion.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's what it looked like to me. Somebody something and
the sheets lifted up. I should say that the sheets
lifted up as if somebody was lifting them up with
one hand. And and I'm like, like, going, what the
And then I felt the mattress at that same place
where it looked like the sheets were being lifted up,
the mattress started pushing down like somebody was getting into
(35:36):
bed with me, you know. And at that point I
was I was scared when the when the sheets were up,
but when the the mattress pushed down, like I was
very very frightened, and I kind of panicked and says
it was like halfway down the bed where I was
lying and I kind of lie in a fetal position.
What I did is I took my one of my
legs and I kicked like with the with the planner
(35:59):
surface of my foot, like the bottom sole of my
I kicked off that direction where this stuff was happening,
and I hit something. It felt like a person. It
felt like I was hitting a person, like in the
mid part of their belly or something like that, or
stirnham or something like that. And as I made contact,
(36:20):
I heard oh, and the sheet dropped. And that was
the end of it, except for the next two hours
laying awake in terror, not wanting to wake up my
grandparents or anything like that. And I mentioned it to
him later and they said, no, nothing's weird ever happened
here or whatever. You know, But that was the first
(36:41):
time that I think I encountered something immensely ghosty as
a kind of an adult, you know, little kid hallucinations aside,
But as an adult, that was the first time that
I encountered something that really scared me bad and that
I couldn't explain that I seemed to have my face about.
You know. It seems like I believe I was awake
(37:03):
during that time. Maybe I wasn't, and that's the explanation
for it. But even then, it's just scared the heck
out of it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
I guess, I don't know if I can count that
(37:24):
first one as a as a sighting of a ghost
because I didn't see what was doing it. I just
saw the effects of whatever was doing it.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, it's kind of weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I did.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I not tell you that story before.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Bobo nod that's gnarly.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Oh yeah it was. It was horrifying, absolutely horrifying. I
did not enjoy it. That's why I don't understand like
these ghost people, and we have them on the podcast,
you know, Nick Grob, Dave schraderor New Like, what are
you doing looking for ghosts?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Man?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That's I mean, I guess each their own. They're probably
looking at us, and why are you looking for giant apes?
It's horrifying. But I feel the same about them. It's
like I just don't get it, Like why would you
want to go do that? I guess the search for
the unknown or thinking that they're benign or I don't
know what it was. I mean, I lived, so my
soul's okay, I seemed and then at the second time,
and this is much more recently, this was seven years ago.
(38:12):
This one happened here and it didn't happen to my
house where I live now, it happened to my house.
At my house I lived in Portland, the small little
house over there off of Sandy Boulevard. So Melissa and
I met her on the show. We dated for a
few years, fell in love, decided to give it a go,
and so Melissa said that she would be willing to
(38:33):
live in Oregon. You know. So after all that stuff happened,
what I did is I flew out to Pittsburgh, and
then Melissa and I drove out together in her vehicle,
you know, and we always shipped some of her belongings out,
that sort of stuff, and so, you know, it was
like a wonderful, cool road trip. Took about a week
(38:53):
or so to get out here, four or five six
days to get out here, I can't remember. And then
we get back on I'd have to ask Melissa exact days,
but I'll tell you best my memory, and give me.
Forgive me if I'm a day or two off, if
I remember right. We got back on a Friday, okay.
And then Friday night or Saturday morning, we get a
(39:14):
call that Melissa's grandmother is not doing well. Her grandmother
on her mother's side, she is not doing well. It
looks like she's probably going to pass away in the
next couple of days, that sort of stuff. So literally,
Melissa arrives on a Friday, Saturday, we get the news Sunday,
I believe it was Sunday. We put her on a
(39:35):
plane to go back to Pittsburgh to go be with
her family during this horrible time or you know, solemn time.
Really at least that when her grandmother is passing away. Right, So,
and I get the word on Monday morning that Grandma
had passed away. Okay, so at least Melissa got to
go back in time and all that chize. And I believe,
(39:56):
at least this is what I remember. I could be
wrong about some of this stuff. So Monday morning, I
believe Grandma died. Melissa was still in Pittsburgh. So I'm
at the house Monday, Monday. Monday nights, I go to sleep,
you know, as I normally do, and then at some
point in the night I don't know when, I didn't
catch the time or anything like that, for whatever reason,
(40:20):
I woke up. Now to set the scene, the room's
about maybe ten twelve feet square more or less. The
door is on one corner, the bed is on the
opposite wall. Of the door and on the opposite side
of the room, so facing the door. I was lying
on my right hand side again as I often do,
so I could see the doorway, and the blinds are
(40:42):
got letting a little bit of light in, so that
the room has this creepy sort of bluish tinge to it,
you know. And so I wake up in the middle
of the night, I don't know when, and everything's blue
and kind of creepy, and I just kind of wake up,
and I look over to the door, which is open,
and there's a there's a woman standing in my doorway.
She looks to me kind of like Melissa, you know.
(41:06):
She had blondish hair, She was looking down, she was
looking downwards, just standing there. She was in a nightgown,
like a just kind of a nighty sort of thing,
like a loose sort of white, whitish thing that went
down to about her knees. She didn't wasn't wearing any
shoes at all. I remember seeing that. And she was
(41:28):
kind of blondish hair, at least in the weird like
nighttime moonlight sort of thing. It looked like she had
blondish hair or at least light colored hair. And she
was looking down and I could not see her face.
She was doing a strange movement. Her arms were just
hanging by her side, and she was like stepping to
(41:48):
her left foot, then back to the right foot, then
back to the left foot back. It almost like swaying,
but like stepping back and forth looking down. Hair aped
over her face, obscuring all of her features. But to
me for all the world, she looked like Melissa in
that same position.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
And at this point, you know, I'm an adult, this
is seven years ago in my forties. I go, well,
I'm clearly dreaming this, right, So I kind of like
take a moment. I shake my head a little bit.
I literally rubbed physically rub my eyes and just take
a moment breathe, like this will solve the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I look back up, and the figure's still there, doing
the same thing, kind of going back and forth, stepping
side by side slowly.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I can't see her face that whole thing. And that's
when I get real scared, because I figured, well, I'm
going to wash this lady right out of my eyes here,
you know. But did not work. When I looked back up,
she was still standing there. At that point, well, it's
dark in the room. So I reached my hand out
to the little night stand with a lamp on it.
I reached my hand out, then turn on the light.
(43:01):
And as soon as my hand goes out, and this
this woman i'll call her that, it's about five and
a half feet tall or so something like that. Her
entire height condenses down like from from her feet, her
goes it goes up from her head, it goes down
and condenses into this blur like this swoosh like and
(43:23):
it swooshed out of the room and down the hall
towards the living room. You've been to my house, so Bobe,
you know, you kind of picture this. It was like
the moments I reached my hand down, of course, I
did turn the light on, and nothing was there. And
I was just horrified and scared. And I look and
so she's not in the room. My dog, So I
call her, soji were soja come here? Come here? And
(43:45):
she kind of trots in the room wondering like what's up.
A few moments later she was sleeping in the couch
in the living room. And that's it. That's the end
of that story, really, because except for again being scared
and horrified for the next hour or two until I
fall asleep again my adrenaline drops. So I don't know
what that was. Maybe it was I kind of have
an idea maybe, since it did that figure did in
(44:10):
fact look like Melissa. I think that maybe that was
Grandma coming to check on her on her on her
way out the door, so to speak. I don't really know.
It did look like Melissa to me, though, except I
couldn't see her face, and but you know, Grandma didn't
have that color hair, and Grandma doesn't really look like
Melissa and all this other stuff. But you know, souls
may appear a little bit different than the outside appearances could.
(44:33):
So anyway, those are my two ghost stories for this
Halloween episode here, So there you go.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
That what is your grand parents house? That's one that
freaks me out, Like that's pretty gnarly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I didn't like either one, honestly. I mean, although I
got to see the second one, at least the first one,
I just saw the effects of it, lifting the blanket
and getting in a bed and all that stuff, but
I didn't get to see anything about a few weird
things happen here too, actually at the house here, but
not very many. But you know what I think would
be a good thing to do is it is I've
had one or two things at the house here. We
(45:08):
can talk about that in the members section, And I
know Matt Pruitt has a good story associated with Halloween
as well. But Melissa, my wife, has consented to coming
on the member section and telling a few of our
own ghost encounters because she's had some weird things happened
through her time. So yeah, so our members will get
(45:29):
to hear that on Thursday when the new episode comes out.
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(46:09):
access to all that stuff. There's a lot going on.
There's a really neat community being built behind the scenes
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It's really really cool stuff. So maybe that's for you,
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Speaker 2 (46:25):
Or click the link the show notes.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh yeah, or as Matt Proudge said, you can also
click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Well speak how it goes there. So the serious voice
coming in out of the ether there.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I was going to say, we talk to a ghost
every week, the ghost of James Boba fe beloved dear Fred. Yeah,
our deceased friend brings light into every room he ever entered.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
God rest his soul, God rest your soul, Bobo.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I think your soul is restless because you're you're with
us once a week.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, how would that be if Bobo did die like
ten years ago and we've been dealing with a ghost
all this time?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
He say dude, the afterlife sucks.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
It's lame. Okay, folks. Well that's it for another episode
of Bigfoot and Beyond. We got the beyond it on
this episode. Not too much Bigfoot or keep it teat
to our name. Well anyways, thanks for supporting us. Hope
you have a great Halloween, and until next time, y'all
keep it squatchy.
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