January 23, 2023 • 36 mins
On July 19, 2008, a police officer found the body of Julie Burchett in her parked car in an abandoned pallet mill in Monticello, KY. Hope and her boyfriend lived nearby and gathered with other observers at the scene. A police informant eventually concocted an elaborate story that Hope threw a party at her mother’s house where she stabbed Julie to death. Despite Hope’s alibi, another suspect, and evidence that there was no party at all, Hope was arrested, tried and convicted. Maggie speaks to Hope White, Brittany White, Hope’s sister, and Hope’s attorney, Miranda Hellman, Attorney at the Kentucky Innocence Project.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
In the early morning hours of July night, police discovered
the body of twenty four year old Julie Burchett at
an abandoned palette mill in Monticello, Kentucky. She had been
brutally murdered. Witnesses said they had seen Julie attacked and
stabbed by another woman at a house party the night before,
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and that the party was thrown by Hope White at
her mother's house. Did you ever have parties at your
mom's house? Absolutely not. My mother would not allow something
like that to go on. So what did you think
about this whole party story? Um? I thought it was
bizarre and crazy, and I really didn't think that I
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had anything to worry about because I thought, Okay, it's
very easy to prove the the uh they see four
a lion. But regardless, Hope was arrested and convicted of
the murder of Julie Hicks pur Chet. My name is
Hope and a Y and I've been in prison for
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prompanmly thirteen years and four months from love of for good.
This is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today Hope White. So,
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I'm from Kentucky and a little small town named Mona Fello.
Hope White was born in July to Darryl and Tammy White.
We didn't have a lot of money growing up. My
mother did work, mostly just at restaurants that didn't pay
very much or give her many hours. I did um
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look up to my dad, think that he was the
coolest because he didn't drink and things like that. As
a young girl, Hope thought her dad just like to
have a good time. But the truth was, Uh, watched
my father sheffer from mental illness and indiction to drugs
from alcohol. As Hope got older, she says she followed
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in his footsteps. Now the age eleven, I was well
considerate local marijuana, drinking alcohol. I could even go to
local bootleggers and and buy my own punt DeLisi. I
was very Uh, I'm a very attention seeking person. Um,
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so I would hang out with whoever gave me an attention.
Sometimes I might even change my values or my world,
even my appearance for their's approval. But not everyone saw
that side of Hope. She was so fun, she was
so outgoing, outspoken, um passionate it. This is Brittany Hope's sister.
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She is eleven years older than me. So she was
someone that I looked up to. Um, My early memories
of her are almost a mother role rather than a sister.
She was very very passionate about family, about making sure
that I had the same experiences as her children did.
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Pope had her first daughter, Shawonda, in nine, so she
was sixteen when she had her first kid. And if
y'all are eleven years apart, you're actually pretty close in
age to your nieces and nephews. Correct. Yeah, yes, she
has two daughters, UM, and the first one is five
years younger than me, and the second one is nine
years younger than me. We kind of grew up as
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sisters more so than and and niece, just because we're
so close in age. When Hope gave birth to Shawnda,
she knew she won had a better life for her
daughter than she had growing up. But parenthood spun her
life in a new direction. Me and her father worked
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at various places in town. It was a lot harder
than what we thought it would be. It didn't take
us long to figure out sailing marijuana and deals and
was really fast money for a small town. Um. I
began to feel powerful having tons of friends and that
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money and that I wasn't used to having, but to
her little sister Brittany, she was still the same Hope
at heart. I remember she had and it seems like
such a small thing now, but she had went to
the guest tissue and got bug juice, which is these
little juice is made for kids, and she had already
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gave them theirs, they had already drank them. And I
got home and happened to see like a half empty one,
you know, on the counter. And before I could even
so much as get a disappointed look on my face,
she whip to one out of the fridge and was like,
don't worry, I got you one too. It just made
me so excited and so happy that even though I
wasn't there and she didn't have to get me something,
it was so touching to me, um, knowing that she
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did not have to do that. Hope's second daughter, Desiree,
was born in two thousand three, and two years later,
Shanda and Desire's father went to prison for selling drugs.
Hope was left to support her family on her own,
but soon she met someone new, a man named Bobby Buster.
At first, our relationship was very um good. We were
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good for each other, we we got each other, so
we're He got a good job building houses for a cackle.
I wasn't how much the kids and uh before he
played the bills and everything. So we still didn't have
a whole lot of money. And I began listen that
fast money. So therefore I started uh sailing again, and
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eventually we started to use again together. I started giving
a bad one in harder drugs. I began to do
things that I wasn't proud of. I'd live. She still,
I was very depressed and struggled with anger in my
whole life. So UM, I acted out a lot of
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times in violence, many different forms, whether it was getting banks, steeple,
or even harm in myself. Hope says that violence eventually
showed up in her relationship with Bobby. It started with
their arguments, which soon erupted into physical altercations. By the
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time Shonda was around nine years old, the neighbors were
starting to notice. The night of the murder, there was
a domestic violence called to your house? Correct, Yes, can
you tell me about that? What happened? Um? Well? Um
our fight actually started at the light on July tight
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Hope spent most of the day shopping with her mom. Later,
when Bobby got off work, Hope met up with him
and their friends Janet and Billie Burke. The four of
them drove out to f and T Lake, a few
miles outside of Monticello, to hang out and ride four wheelers.
They left for the lake about four thirty PM, and
an hour later, Bobby got a citation from Fish and
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Wildlife for operating his two willer illegally because their sides
will over the place down there, saying that those types
of things aren't supposed to be on the property. The
evening went downhill from there. Bobby and Hope got into
a fight. I really don't even remember what we were
fighting about. I was drinking pretty heavily that day, and um,
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I do remember a spighting at the lake and it escalated.
UM I hit myself in the head with a rock
at the lake. Once they got back to their apartment,
the arguing continued. At around nine PM, a neighbor reported
hearing Hope and Bobby fighting. Sometime after that, police received
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a second call reporting a suspected domestic violence incident at
their apartment. Finally, at around eleven that night, the police
showed up. They first treated the cut on Hope's forehead
from the rock injury earlier that day, and then Deputy
John Heard arrested Hope for an active bench warrant for
an unpaid fine. Former mont Cello police officer Derek Lester
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was also at Hope's apartment at that time, but he
left to resp on to a reckless driving call. On
the way, he drove by an abandoned palette mill and
noticed a familiar car parked in the lot. It was
one officers had been alerted to pay attention to because
it's driver didn't have a license. The car belonged to
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year old Julie Hicks for Chet, so Officer Lester parked
and walked towards the car with a flashlight. As he approached,
he saw Julie sprawled across the front seat of her car.
She had multiple stab wounds on her body and was
lying in a pool of blood dead. This episode is
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to underrepresented communities and individuals. As soon as officer Lester
found the body at twelve thirty six am, he made
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a distraught call to his department. He needed all hands
on deck at the mill. Officers immediately released Hope from
custody and went to the crime scene, and it was
a spectacle. People throughout the neighborhood, including Bobby and Hope,
gathered to see what the commotion was about. Hope had
known Julie most of their lives. We wrote the same
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fool bus together, um our whole entire last going to
school and UM after we started having a good round
together when we got out, or when she got into
UM doing drugs and how that anti stale and drugs
she would actually come about and from me. The investigation
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into Julie's murder lasted almost a full year. Witnesses said
they had seen Julie's car at the mill starting at
ten thirty that morning, and they had seen her coming
and going. Her car, however, remained there throughout the day,
with different men passing by until about seven thirty pm.
The minimal forensic evidence police collected at the scene was
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of little value. Some of it wasn't tested at all,
and the items that were tested did not return any
fingerprints or DNA matches. The items included a lighter that
was found near Julie's car and a large Janko sweatshirt
that appeared to have blood on it at the time.
The DNA samples on the sweatshirt weren't large enough to
develop a profile, and while the lighter was fingerprinted, it
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wasn't tested for DNA at all. Fingernail scrapings were collected,
and multiple hairs were also found on Julie's body, clothes
and in the car, but none of this was tested
at the time of the investigation. The case went cold
for months, and then a man named Jason Miller was
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arrested on felony drug charges. He met with the lead
detective for the state Police and the prosecutor and said
he knew something about the murder. This is Miranda Hellman,
an attorney with the Kentucky Innocence Project who now represents Hope.
Miranda says how exactly Jason came forward is unknown. Not
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a lot of it is recorded. We do know from
there that they kind of took Jason out into the
county and had him tried to walk through the narrative.
Jason Miller told police that the night of Julie's murder,
he was at a party at Hope's mother's house and
that he had seen Hope killed Julie in a fight there.
His story was that Hope confronted Julie about sleeping with
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her boyfriend and then stabbed her, spewing blood everywhere. Police
wanted more details, so they actually take him on a
ride along from the courthouse where he's supposed to point
out where the party occurred, where Hope's mom lived, how
things occurred, um, but he couldn't identify the house, he
couldn't identify the route UM. Julie's cell phone was missing.
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He said that he was in his car and he
threw it out into the woods on the way out
of the neighborhood, you know, away from Hope's mom's house.
And then he had literally the prosecutor and the police
looking for a cell phone in the ditch UM, but
was never located. Jason also couldn't say what date this happened,
or what Julie was wearing. Rather, he gave the names
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of three people he said, we're also at the party.
The first witness Jason named was Seth Frost, but Frost
denied any knowledge of the murder. Meanwhile, Adam Manning, the
second witness, was also in jail an appending felony charge.
When he was questioned, Manning said he arrived at the
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party at ten pm and that there were approximately thirty
to thirty five people there. He said the stabbing happened
at around midnight, but in a completely different location in
the house than where Jason Miller had placed it. Scotty Stanton,
the third witness Miller named, gave a statement different from
all the others. He said they went to the party
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after a football game around eleven pm, although it wasn't
football season. He said they saw some girls arguing and left,
and he didn't see anything related to a stabbing. Stanton
couldn't give an exact date either. None of it adds up,
and that no one's story is consistent enough to even
really say it happened on you know this day and July,
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so you know when all these people were supposed to
be at this party, but only three can tell you
a story that even points to Hope. Is incredibly concerning.
And it's not just concerning for me, you know, as
a citizen and me as a defense attorney, or me
as an advocate for Hope. It's concerning and that you know,
why did they push so hard to get this story?
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You know, why did they use these people that had
pending charges. And despite the allegations that dozens of people
were at this party, no one called the police after
Julie was supposedly brutally murdered, and no one was identified
or interviewed from the alleged party other than Jason Miller
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and the three witnesses he named. One of them says
they're there for an hour. One of them says they're
there for five minutes, and that there was a fight
in the back of the house and arguing. Hope came
out of the bathroom in the back of the house
and just picked up an knife. Um, no one really
describes what the knife is. If it's a kitchen knife,
a pocket knife, two knives, one knife, nobody really knows
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um and just stabs her. The stories get even more
confused from there, nobody says how many times, nobody really
says where in the house. They all described the house
as this open floor plan, had a pool table in
the middle of the living room and a chair in
the corner, and that Hope had walked out into this
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living room and that's where the stabbing occurred, somewhere between
the hallway and the living room. And then everyone says
they left. Jason says he left as soon as that
stabbing happens. Adam and Scotty say the same. So there's
there's no testimony or explanation about what happens after that,
how a body would have been transported, Who would have
transported it. I've been in Tammy's house multiple times. Um,
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we actually had the layout at trial the defense attorneys
did to show whatever house they were to describing couldn't
have been Tammy's house. It's not how her house is
laid out. Despite these shaky testimonies, police executed a search
warrant for Tammy White's house. They went in with cadaver
dogs and luminal, which is just like a spray that
reacts to black light, and it will react when it
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hits certain things. So that one of the big ones
is blood or bodily fluids. So the quote at trial
was that when they hit the black light in Tammy's
house that it lit up like a Christmas tree. And
I've seen the photos it did that. The walls, the floor,
every piece of this house looked like it was having
a reaction to Loominal. So they pull floor samples, carpet samples, door, drywall, everything.
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But when they tested these samples, no blood or DNA
showed up on any of them. Police also never interviewed
any of Tammy's neighbors to find out if they saw
a party happening. These neighbors would have had a direct
line of sight to the house and would have seen
dozens of people and cars coming and going. The police, however,
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did speak to Bobby. The cops really um pushed for
him to find safe evidence against me, to say that, um,
this party did happen, and that he did witness a murder,
and uh, they really pushed him to say that, um,
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this is the truth and this is what's gonna happen,
or we're going to charge you for the murder. Also
and also said that they would let him off his
charges that he was facing if he would just tell
the truth about the whole murders, but Bobby refused to
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lie as the cops were pressuring him to do. Despite that,
Hope was ultimately indicted on August two thousand nine. When
they first residently, I wasn't really I wasn't really worried
about it. I just thought, Okay, this is a mix up.
This is very easy to prove that these se four
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are lying, and I have people to back me up
where I was at, what I was doing. This will
be cleared up in no time. I'll go to accounting
and get booked in and I will be released. So
Hope cooperated with the police. She had nothing to hide.
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They asked me for a sample my d n A.
I gave back to them. They asked me for a
lot of sector tests I gave back to him, which
I passed. Yet, investigators continued to focus on Hope as
a prime suspect instead of doing any other investigation on
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any other leads that they may have had at the
time or could have done, such as Julie's ex boyfriend
at the time. Clues about this came from Julie's purse,
which was found in the trunk of her car. Inside
it were numerous love letters from a man named Billie Shepherd,
alluding to buying her a wedding ring and saying if
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he could not be with her, then he did not
want to live. Shepherd also called Julie on the afternoon
of her murder, but he was never investigated. Police also
had another suspect, Rodney Porter, who drove a car that
was seen at the mill a day Julie was murdered.
Even though she was married at the time, Porter was
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rumored to also have been in a relationship with Julie.
He was a suspect for some amount of time. We
know he's listed as a suspect in many of the
police documents, and then about six months of investigation occurs
and at some point the suspect changes to Hope. Really,
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there's no explanation other than the story from Jason Miller.
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When you were at trial, did you think everything was
going to work out? Absolutely? Did um. I had based
in the justice system that yes, that people didn't go
to jail. So once this happened to me, I realized
now and by looking at back at everything that's happened,
of how much corruption is in a small falm who
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when I lived in Hope's trial started on April six.
Prosecutor Matthew Leverage laid out the state's case. He said
that Hope I thought Bobby was cheating on her Julie,
so she killed her. To this allegation, Hope admits that she,
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Bobby and Julie sometimes participated in casual three zones, but
it was all mutually consensual. Um. I'm not sure how
the police even knew that we had had these uh
encounters and private but they asked me about him, and
I was honest, and they kind of took their own
a little bit of the truth and sun it into
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their own theory and of events that are supposedly played
out in the non in question. The prosecution called all
four alleged witnesses once again. They all gave different accounts,
with very few details matching their original statements or those
of each other. The only person whose story was consistent
with what he told police was Seth Frost. He said
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this didn't happen. He said, they've talked to the police,
They've threatened me. I'm terrified, but this never happened and
I'm not going to say it did. So the jury.
Here's testimony from these witnesses talking about this party with
the understanding that we're going to find Julie's blood in
this house and it's damning evidence against Hope. But at
the end of the day, there was no blood found
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on any of the items submitted from Tammy's house. Nothing
ties anyone to this murder, and most certainly does not
tie Hope or her home or her mother's home to
Julian anyway. There was also no blood found outside of
Julie's car. The inside of the car, though, was soaked
in blood, indicating that the murder happened inside the car,
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which totally invalidated the story of the stabbing at Tammy
White's house. When it came to the physical evidence, the
prosecution reiterated that the case lacked forensic evidence. Except there
actually was some. It was either just untested or simply
did not incriminate Hope. Yet the jury never heard this.
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Much of the trial felt like smoke in mirrors. It
was alluding to what you're going to hear and then
you never hear it, alluding to there's you know, there's
evidence against her. But really the evidence were just these
eyewitness statements that truly weren't I don't believe believable eyewitness statements,
so Hopes public defenders Jim Cox and Teresa Whittaker were
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left to try and discredit these supposed eyewitnesses and their stories.
They called a witness who said he saw Hope and
Bobby at the lake that day, and that he drove
past Tammy's house later that night and didn't see any party.
Hope also testified at her trial, as did Bobby. He
said Hope was with him all day and night and
they were not at a party. Did you ever have
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parties at your mom's house? Absolutely not. My mother would
not allow something like that to go on. She knew
that they drug some stuff sometimes, that she was basically
she would be in my but all the time about
what I was ship be doing, and what I should
not be going, and what my kids should and should
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not be around, and she would never allow something like
that to go on in her home. They also called
Hope's younger sister, Brittany to the stand. Brittany, who lived
with their mother Tammy, had been home alone all evening.
She testified that she vividly remembered this phone call that
she had with her friend. Her friend actually testified to
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that yes, I was on the phone with Brittany all night.
We talked till two o'clock in the morning, and I
don't think there was a party there. Tammy was not
home that night, so Brittany was home alone. I had
never been in a courtroom before, had never been in
front of a judge. I remember being so scared, especially
whenever it was the prosecution stern. I understood enough, you know,
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to know that they were going to try to say
things to confuse me, or maybe make it look like
I wasn't telling the truth, things like that. So it
was really terrifying, and I felt a lot of weight,
you know, from making sure I said the right thing
and not saying something incorrectly or it come off incorrectly
just because I didn't know how to word it, because
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how was a kid, you know, when it happened. The
defense stressed to the jury that there was no way
this party happened, and that Hope could not have killed
Julie at the same time she was at the lake
or at the same time police were at her apartment
responding to the domestic violence call. But that is all
they could do. You know. It's very hard to say
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those three people are lying and this party never happened,
because you know what, what proof do you have of
the negative? So it was really it was a struggle
at trial to be able to disprove, you know, no
matter how impossible the timelines were or the stories were,
to believe that this truly didn't happen. It was a
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very emotional. Um. I tried not to show emotion while
I wasn't there, and I tried her maths my feeling
really seeing her pictures and the things that Julie went
through was very dramatic and distraughting to me. Um, I
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had dreams about it for a long time. Sometimes I
still do. But a jury convicted Hope of Julie's murder.
She was sentenced to thirty years in prison. Hope was
in absolute shock, but her first thoughts were for her family.
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The only thing I could hear was my mom screaming,
oh my God, my baby, and she ran out of
the courtroom crying, and that UM, I hear that a
lot still in the pain in her voice, and that
I kept feeling my attorney's uh, please go check on
my mom, Please go check on my mom. My children
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everything to me. A year and a half after Hope's trial.
Her conviction was actually overturned due to a legal error,
and she was granted a second trial. I didn't have
no hope during that second trial. I knew I was
coming back to prison, but Hope was again convicted and
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sentenced to twenty five years in prison. So what has
it been like for you and the family to have
Hope and present? Um? It was really really hard, honestly, um.
And I feel like I can speak for me and
my nieces whenever I say that they were so little, um,
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whenever it happened. So it was really really hard to
have to explain to them, you know, where their mom went, um,
and while she wasn't there for Christmases or birthdays and
things like that. So yeah, it was pretty traumatizing and
really really hard. And Hope desperately missed her kids, right,
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never spent her night without me but maybe go see
my mom for a weekend or something that. Other than that,
they was never out of my side and being without them,
h I said before of struggle with depression my whole life,
and I really struggled on hurting myself for years, Um,
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because I didn't have them in my life anymore, and
because of what had happened to me. Yes, I'm just
grateful that I wasn't strong enough to be able to
know realize that they needed me more, whether it was
inside of these walls than not at all. So as
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soon as she could, Hope reached out to the Kentucky
Innocence Project and in they took on her case that
had every marker that you know of of a wrongful
conviction case that that we know about. UM. From day
one of trial of attendee trial, it was obvious that
nothing in the case matched a timeline that could exist. UM.
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There were testimony that was conflicting, you know, all over
the place, and all of the physical evidence that was
supposed to be presented against Hope from the beginning of
the trial never came to fruition. Not only that, rumors
were floating around town about the police officers who were
involved in the case and whether they could be trusted.
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Do you think there was police corruption in your case? Absolutely,
there was a loss of police corruption in that case.
It was really weird. From Derek wester Uh founding Julie
and the ways that he got Julie and how he
was even out of his jurisdiction to be in that
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area to begin with, because Hope says, Julie had also
told her something about Derrick Lester Eric what I have
for sexual fighters to keep her from getting a driving
on no license. What's more, Miranda says that other aspects
of the story, the states strung together didn't make sense.
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It's physically impossible to drive to the places that they
would have have to be driven to in the timeframe
that they had. Our theory was always that this happened
in her vehicle because of the amount of blood, but
that was never really presented at trial. Someone stood over
her and stabbed her, and this person could also have
been the one whose hairs were found at the scene.
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There's a very good chance that that hair belongs to
the person who committed this crime. Um or could have
been on her, you know, from during the day and
and would tell us more about who she was with
and where she was. So that hair seems incredibly important.
And as it turns out, Hope's trial defense team did
not even know the hairs existed and they were never tested.
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So Miranda and the Kentucky Innocence Project have been focused
on getting those hairs tested and acquiring other evidence that
was either tested years ago with limited technology or never
tested at all. After the requests for DNA testing were
denied a few times, there was a glimmer of hope.
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So we were recently actually UM granted an oral argument
to talk about the testing statute as an applies to
Hope and hopefully as an applies to many more of
our clients that could benefit for UM from this more
liberal review of cases that should be eligible for post
conviction testing. In the meantime, Hope focuses on moving forward.
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Since I've been incarcerated, I have gotten my cheat and
I would lack to finish college right now. I have
a job. I'm doing land UH. If I'm not at work, UM,
either on the file with the family members or my children,
Shaunda and Desiree are now adults. Hope watch them grow
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up from behind bars. I talked to them all of now.
We have a very good relationship since I've been in here. UM.
Shonda has three daughters of her own now, and Brittany
believes that her sister will be proven innocent. Do you
talk about her getting out? Do you talk about the
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future all the time? UM? I think that helps her
a lot, because that gives her something to look forward to.
It's cheesy, but I joked with her all the time
that her name is her name for a reason. Of course,
my mom didn't know that when she named her, but
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that's something that we use now a lot to try
to encourage her. UM and just tell her, you know,
you have to keep having Hope. I really want to
do something to help other people. My really dream is
to becomin attorney and UM or someone lacks the Innocence
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Project and be able to help people that have dronkfully convicted.
That's my dream. If you want to help Hope and
the Kentucky Innocence Project, go to the link in our bio.
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In the early morning hours of July night, police discovered
the body of twenty four year old Julie Burchett at
an abandoned palette mill in Monticello, Kentucky. She had been
brutally murdered. Witnesses said they had seen Julie attacked and
stabbed by another woman at a house party the night before,
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and that the party was thrown by Hope White at
her mother's house. Did you ever have parties at your
mom's house? Absolutely not. My mother would not allow something
like that to go on. So what did you think
about this whole party story? Um? I thought it was
bizarre and crazy, and I really didn't think that I
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had anything to worry about because I thought, Okay, it's
very easy to prove the the uh they see four
a lion. But regardless, Hope was arrested and convicted of
the murder of Julie Hicks pur Chet. My name is
Hope and a Y and I've been in prison for
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prompanmly thirteen years and four months from love of for good.
This is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today Hope White. So,
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I'm from Kentucky and a little small town named Mona Fello.
Hope White was born in July to Darryl and Tammy White.
We didn't have a lot of money growing up. My
mother did work, mostly just at restaurants that didn't pay
very much or give her many hours. I did um
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look up to my dad, think that he was the
coolest because he didn't drink and things like that. As
a young girl, Hope thought her dad just like to
have a good time. But the truth was, Uh, watched
my father sheffer from mental illness and indiction to drugs
from alcohol. As Hope got older, she says she followed
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in his footsteps. Now the age eleven, I was well
considerate local marijuana, drinking alcohol. I could even go to
local bootleggers and and buy my own punt DeLisi. I
was very Uh, I'm a very attention seeking person. Um,
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so I would hang out with whoever gave me an attention.
Sometimes I might even change my values or my world,
even my appearance for their's approval. But not everyone saw
that side of Hope. She was so fun, she was
so outgoing, outspoken, um passionate it. This is Brittany Hope's sister.
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She is eleven years older than me. So she was
someone that I looked up to. Um, My early memories
of her are almost a mother role rather than a sister.
She was very very passionate about family, about making sure
that I had the same experiences as her children did.
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Pope had her first daughter, Shawonda, in nine, so she
was sixteen when she had her first kid. And if
y'all are eleven years apart, you're actually pretty close in
age to your nieces and nephews. Correct. Yeah, yes, she
has two daughters, UM, and the first one is five
years younger than me, and the second one is nine
years younger than me. We kind of grew up as
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sisters more so than and and niece, just because we're
so close in age. When Hope gave birth to Shawnda,
she knew she won had a better life for her
daughter than she had growing up. But parenthood spun her
life in a new direction. Me and her father worked
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at various places in town. It was a lot harder
than what we thought it would be. It didn't take
us long to figure out sailing marijuana and deals and
was really fast money for a small town. Um. I
began to feel powerful having tons of friends and that
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money and that I wasn't used to having, but to
her little sister Brittany, she was still the same Hope
at heart. I remember she had and it seems like
such a small thing now, but she had went to
the guest tissue and got bug juice, which is these
little juice is made for kids, and she had already
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gave them theirs, they had already drank them. And I
got home and happened to see like a half empty one,
you know, on the counter. And before I could even
so much as get a disappointed look on my face,
she whip to one out of the fridge and was like,
don't worry, I got you one too. It just made
me so excited and so happy that even though I
wasn't there and she didn't have to get me something,
it was so touching to me, um, knowing that she
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did not have to do that. Hope's second daughter, Desiree,
was born in two thousand three, and two years later,
Shanda and Desire's father went to prison for selling drugs.
Hope was left to support her family on her own,
but soon she met someone new, a man named Bobby Buster.
At first, our relationship was very um good. We were
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good for each other, we we got each other, so
we're He got a good job building houses for a cackle.
I wasn't how much the kids and uh before he
played the bills and everything. So we still didn't have
a whole lot of money. And I began listen that
fast money. So therefore I started uh sailing again, and
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eventually we started to use again together. I started giving
a bad one in harder drugs. I began to do
things that I wasn't proud of. I'd live. She still,
I was very depressed and struggled with anger in my
whole life. So UM, I acted out a lot of
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times in violence, many different forms, whether it was getting banks, steeple,
or even harm in myself. Hope says that violence eventually
showed up in her relationship with Bobby. It started with
their arguments, which soon erupted into physical altercations. By the
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time Shonda was around nine years old, the neighbors were
starting to notice. The night of the murder, there was
a domestic violence called to your house? Correct, Yes, can
you tell me about that? What happened? Um? Well? Um
our fight actually started at the light on July tight
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Hope spent most of the day shopping with her mom. Later,
when Bobby got off work, Hope met up with him
and their friends Janet and Billie Burke. The four of
them drove out to f and T Lake, a few
miles outside of Monticello, to hang out and ride four wheelers.
They left for the lake about four thirty PM, and
an hour later, Bobby got a citation from Fish and
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Wildlife for operating his two willer illegally because their sides
will over the place down there, saying that those types
of things aren't supposed to be on the property. The
evening went downhill from there. Bobby and Hope got into
a fight. I really don't even remember what we were
fighting about. I was drinking pretty heavily that day, and um,
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I do remember a spighting at the lake and it escalated.
UM I hit myself in the head with a rock
at the lake. Once they got back to their apartment,
the arguing continued. At around nine PM, a neighbor reported
hearing Hope and Bobby fighting. Sometime after that, police received
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a second call reporting a suspected domestic violence incident at
their apartment. Finally, at around eleven that night, the police
showed up. They first treated the cut on Hope's forehead
from the rock injury earlier that day, and then Deputy
John Heard arrested Hope for an active bench warrant for
an unpaid fine. Former mont Cello police officer Derek Lester
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was also at Hope's apartment at that time, but he
left to resp on to a reckless driving call. On
the way, he drove by an abandoned palette mill and
noticed a familiar car parked in the lot. It was
one officers had been alerted to pay attention to because
it's driver didn't have a license. The car belonged to
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year old Julie Hicks for Chet, so Officer Lester parked
and walked towards the car with a flashlight. As he approached,
he saw Julie sprawled across the front seat of her car.
She had multiple stab wounds on her body and was
lying in a pool of blood dead. This episode is
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to underrepresented communities and individuals. As soon as officer Lester
found the body at twelve thirty six am, he made
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a distraught call to his department. He needed all hands
on deck at the mill. Officers immediately released Hope from
custody and went to the crime scene, and it was
a spectacle. People throughout the neighborhood, including Bobby and Hope,
gathered to see what the commotion was about. Hope had
known Julie most of their lives. We wrote the same
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fool bus together, um our whole entire last going to
school and UM after we started having a good round
together when we got out, or when she got into
UM doing drugs and how that anti stale and drugs
she would actually come about and from me. The investigation
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into Julie's murder lasted almost a full year. Witnesses said
they had seen Julie's car at the mill starting at
ten thirty that morning, and they had seen her coming
and going. Her car, however, remained there throughout the day,
with different men passing by until about seven thirty pm.
The minimal forensic evidence police collected at the scene was
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of little value. Some of it wasn't tested at all,
and the items that were tested did not return any
fingerprints or DNA matches. The items included a lighter that
was found near Julie's car and a large Janko sweatshirt
that appeared to have blood on it at the time.
The DNA samples on the sweatshirt weren't large enough to
develop a profile, and while the lighter was fingerprinted, it
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wasn't tested for DNA at all. Fingernail scrapings were collected,
and multiple hairs were also found on Julie's body, clothes
and in the car, but none of this was tested
at the time of the investigation. The case went cold
for months, and then a man named Jason Miller was
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arrested on felony drug charges. He met with the lead
detective for the state Police and the prosecutor and said
he knew something about the murder. This is Miranda Hellman,
an attorney with the Kentucky Innocence Project who now represents Hope.
Miranda says how exactly Jason came forward is unknown. Not
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a lot of it is recorded. We do know from
there that they kind of took Jason out into the
county and had him tried to walk through the narrative.
Jason Miller told police that the night of Julie's murder,
he was at a party at Hope's mother's house and
that he had seen Hope killed Julie in a fight there.
His story was that Hope confronted Julie about sleeping with
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her boyfriend and then stabbed her, spewing blood everywhere. Police
wanted more details, so they actually take him on a
ride along from the courthouse where he's supposed to point
out where the party occurred, where Hope's mom lived, how
things occurred, um, but he couldn't identify the house, he
couldn't identify the route UM. Julie's cell phone was missing.
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He said that he was in his car and he
threw it out into the woods on the way out
of the neighborhood, you know, away from Hope's mom's house.
And then he had literally the prosecutor and the police
looking for a cell phone in the ditch UM, but
was never located. Jason also couldn't say what date this happened,
or what Julie was wearing. Rather, he gave the names
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of three people he said, we're also at the party.
The first witness Jason named was Seth Frost, but Frost
denied any knowledge of the murder. Meanwhile, Adam Manning, the
second witness, was also in jail an appending felony charge.
When he was questioned, Manning said he arrived at the
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party at ten pm and that there were approximately thirty
to thirty five people there. He said the stabbing happened
at around midnight, but in a completely different location in
the house than where Jason Miller had placed it. Scotty Stanton,
the third witness Miller named, gave a statement different from
all the others. He said they went to the party
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after a football game around eleven pm, although it wasn't
football season. He said they saw some girls arguing and left,
and he didn't see anything related to a stabbing. Stanton
couldn't give an exact date either. None of it adds up,
and that no one's story is consistent enough to even
really say it happened on you know this day and July,
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so you know when all these people were supposed to
be at this party, but only three can tell you
a story that even points to Hope. Is incredibly concerning.
And it's not just concerning for me, you know, as
a citizen and me as a defense attorney, or me
as an advocate for Hope. It's concerning and that you know,
why did they push so hard to get this story?
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You know, why did they use these people that had
pending charges. And despite the allegations that dozens of people
were at this party, no one called the police after
Julie was supposedly brutally murdered, and no one was identified
or interviewed from the alleged party other than Jason Miller
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and the three witnesses he named. One of them says
they're there for an hour. One of them says they're
there for five minutes, and that there was a fight
in the back of the house and arguing. Hope came
out of the bathroom in the back of the house
and just picked up an knife. Um, no one really
describes what the knife is. If it's a kitchen knife,
a pocket knife, two knives, one knife, nobody really knows
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um and just stabs her. The stories get even more
confused from there, nobody says how many times, nobody really
says where in the house. They all described the house
as this open floor plan, had a pool table in
the middle of the living room and a chair in
the corner, and that Hope had walked out into this
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living room and that's where the stabbing occurred, somewhere between
the hallway and the living room. And then everyone says
they left. Jason says he left as soon as that
stabbing happens. Adam and Scotty say the same. So there's
there's no testimony or explanation about what happens after that,
how a body would have been transported, Who would have
transported it. I've been in Tammy's house multiple times. Um,
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we actually had the layout at trial the defense attorneys
did to show whatever house they were to describing couldn't
have been Tammy's house. It's not how her house is
laid out. Despite these shaky testimonies, police executed a search
warrant for Tammy White's house. They went in with cadaver
dogs and luminal, which is just like a spray that
reacts to black light, and it will react when it
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hits certain things. So that one of the big ones
is blood or bodily fluids. So the quote at trial
was that when they hit the black light in Tammy's
house that it lit up like a Christmas tree. And
I've seen the photos it did that. The walls, the floor,
every piece of this house looked like it was having
a reaction to Loominal. So they pull floor samples, carpet samples, door, drywall, everything.
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But when they tested these samples, no blood or DNA
showed up on any of them. Police also never interviewed
any of Tammy's neighbors to find out if they saw
a party happening. These neighbors would have had a direct
line of sight to the house and would have seen
dozens of people and cars coming and going. The police, however,
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did speak to Bobby. The cops really um pushed for
him to find safe evidence against me, to say that, um,
this party did happen, and that he did witness a murder,
and uh, they really pushed him to say that, um,
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this is the truth and this is what's gonna happen,
or we're going to charge you for the murder. Also
and also said that they would let him off his
charges that he was facing if he would just tell
the truth about the whole murders, but Bobby refused to
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lie as the cops were pressuring him to do. Despite that,
Hope was ultimately indicted on August two thousand nine. When
they first residently, I wasn't really I wasn't really worried
about it. I just thought, Okay, this is a mix up.
This is very easy to prove that these se four
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are lying, and I have people to back me up
where I was at, what I was doing. This will
be cleared up in no time. I'll go to accounting
and get booked in and I will be released. So
Hope cooperated with the police. She had nothing to hide.
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They asked me for a sample my d n A.
I gave back to them. They asked me for a
lot of sector tests I gave back to him, which
I passed. Yet, investigators continued to focus on Hope as
a prime suspect instead of doing any other investigation on
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any other leads that they may have had at the
time or could have done, such as Julie's ex boyfriend
at the time. Clues about this came from Julie's purse,
which was found in the trunk of her car. Inside
it were numerous love letters from a man named Billie Shepherd,
alluding to buying her a wedding ring and saying if
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he could not be with her, then he did not
want to live. Shepherd also called Julie on the afternoon
of her murder, but he was never investigated. Police also
had another suspect, Rodney Porter, who drove a car that
was seen at the mill a day Julie was murdered.
Even though she was married at the time, Porter was
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rumored to also have been in a relationship with Julie.
He was a suspect for some amount of time. We
know he's listed as a suspect in many of the
police documents, and then about six months of investigation occurs
and at some point the suspect changes to Hope. Really,
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there's no explanation other than the story from Jason Miller.
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When you were at trial, did you think everything was
going to work out? Absolutely? Did um. I had based
in the justice system that yes, that people didn't go
to jail. So once this happened to me, I realized
now and by looking at back at everything that's happened,
of how much corruption is in a small falm who
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when I lived in Hope's trial started on April six.
Prosecutor Matthew Leverage laid out the state's case. He said
that Hope I thought Bobby was cheating on her Julie,
so she killed her. To this allegation, Hope admits that she,
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Bobby and Julie sometimes participated in casual three zones, but
it was all mutually consensual. Um. I'm not sure how
the police even knew that we had had these uh
encounters and private but they asked me about him, and
I was honest, and they kind of took their own
a little bit of the truth and sun it into
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their own theory and of events that are supposedly played
out in the non in question. The prosecution called all
four alleged witnesses once again. They all gave different accounts,
with very few details matching their original statements or those
of each other. The only person whose story was consistent
with what he told police was Seth Frost. He said
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this didn't happen. He said, they've talked to the police,
They've threatened me. I'm terrified, but this never happened and
I'm not going to say it did. So the jury.
Here's testimony from these witnesses talking about this party with
the understanding that we're going to find Julie's blood in
this house and it's damning evidence against Hope. But at
the end of the day, there was no blood found
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on any of the items submitted from Tammy's house. Nothing
ties anyone to this murder, and most certainly does not
tie Hope or her home or her mother's home to
Julian anyway. There was also no blood found outside of
Julie's car. The inside of the car, though, was soaked
in blood, indicating that the murder happened inside the car,
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which totally invalidated the story of the stabbing at Tammy
White's house. When it came to the physical evidence, the
prosecution reiterated that the case lacked forensic evidence. Except there
actually was some. It was either just untested or simply
did not incriminate Hope. Yet the jury never heard this.
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Much of the trial felt like smoke in mirrors. It
was alluding to what you're going to hear and then
you never hear it, alluding to there's you know, there's
evidence against her. But really the evidence were just these
eyewitness statements that truly weren't I don't believe believable eyewitness statements,
so Hopes public defenders Jim Cox and Teresa Whittaker were
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left to try and discredit these supposed eyewitnesses and their stories.
They called a witness who said he saw Hope and
Bobby at the lake that day, and that he drove
past Tammy's house later that night and didn't see any party.
Hope also testified at her trial, as did Bobby. He
said Hope was with him all day and night and
they were not at a party. Did you ever have
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parties at your mom's house? Absolutely not. My mother would
not allow something like that to go on. She knew
that they drug some stuff sometimes, that she was basically
she would be in my but all the time about
what I was ship be doing, and what I should
not be going, and what my kids should and should
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not be around, and she would never allow something like
that to go on in her home. They also called
Hope's younger sister, Brittany to the stand. Brittany, who lived
with their mother Tammy, had been home alone all evening.
She testified that she vividly remembered this phone call that
she had with her friend. Her friend actually testified to
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that yes, I was on the phone with Brittany all night.
We talked till two o'clock in the morning, and I
don't think there was a party there. Tammy was not
home that night, so Brittany was home alone. I had
never been in a courtroom before, had never been in
front of a judge. I remember being so scared, especially
whenever it was the prosecution stern. I understood enough, you know,
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to know that they were going to try to say
things to confuse me, or maybe make it look like
I wasn't telling the truth, things like that. So it
was really terrifying, and I felt a lot of weight,
you know, from making sure I said the right thing
and not saying something incorrectly or it come off incorrectly
just because I didn't know how to word it, because
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how was a kid, you know, when it happened. The
defense stressed to the jury that there was no way
this party happened, and that Hope could not have killed
Julie at the same time she was at the lake
or at the same time police were at her apartment
responding to the domestic violence call. But that is all
they could do. You know. It's very hard to say
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those three people are lying and this party never happened,
because you know what, what proof do you have of
the negative? So it was really it was a struggle
at trial to be able to disprove, you know, no
matter how impossible the timelines were or the stories were,
to believe that this truly didn't happen. It was a
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very emotional. Um. I tried not to show emotion while
I wasn't there, and I tried her maths my feeling
really seeing her pictures and the things that Julie went
through was very dramatic and distraughting to me. Um, I
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had dreams about it for a long time. Sometimes I
still do. But a jury convicted Hope of Julie's murder.
She was sentenced to thirty years in prison. Hope was
in absolute shock, but her first thoughts were for her family.
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The only thing I could hear was my mom screaming,
oh my God, my baby, and she ran out of
the courtroom crying, and that UM, I hear that a
lot still in the pain in her voice, and that
I kept feeling my attorney's uh, please go check on
my mom, Please go check on my mom. My children
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everything to me. A year and a half after Hope's trial.
Her conviction was actually overturned due to a legal error,
and she was granted a second trial. I didn't have
no hope during that second trial. I knew I was
coming back to prison, but Hope was again convicted and
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sentenced to twenty five years in prison. So what has
it been like for you and the family to have
Hope and present? Um? It was really really hard, honestly, um.
And I feel like I can speak for me and
my nieces whenever I say that they were so little, um,
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whenever it happened. So it was really really hard to
have to explain to them, you know, where their mom went, um,
and while she wasn't there for Christmases or birthdays and
things like that. So yeah, it was pretty traumatizing and
really really hard. And Hope desperately missed her kids, right,
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never spent her night without me but maybe go see
my mom for a weekend or something that. Other than that,
they was never out of my side and being without them,
h I said before of struggle with depression my whole life,
and I really struggled on hurting myself for years, Um,
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because I didn't have them in my life anymore, and
because of what had happened to me. Yes, I'm just
grateful that I wasn't strong enough to be able to
know realize that they needed me more, whether it was
inside of these walls than not at all. So as
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soon as she could, Hope reached out to the Kentucky
Innocence Project and in they took on her case that
had every marker that you know of of a wrongful
conviction case that that we know about. UM. From day
one of trial of attendee trial, it was obvious that
nothing in the case matched a timeline that could exist. UM.
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There were testimony that was conflicting, you know, all over
the place, and all of the physical evidence that was
supposed to be presented against Hope from the beginning of
the trial never came to fruition. Not only that, rumors
were floating around town about the police officers who were
involved in the case and whether they could be trusted.
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Do you think there was police corruption in your case? Absolutely,
there was a loss of police corruption in that case.
It was really weird. From Derek wester Uh founding Julie
and the ways that he got Julie and how he
was even out of his jurisdiction to be in that
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area to begin with, because Hope says, Julie had also
told her something about Derrick Lester Eric what I have
for sexual fighters to keep her from getting a driving
on no license. What's more, Miranda says that other aspects
of the story, the states strung together didn't make sense.
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It's physically impossible to drive to the places that they
would have have to be driven to in the timeframe
that they had. Our theory was always that this happened
in her vehicle because of the amount of blood, but
that was never really presented at trial. Someone stood over
her and stabbed her, and this person could also have
been the one whose hairs were found at the scene.
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There's a very good chance that that hair belongs to
the person who committed this crime. Um or could have
been on her, you know, from during the day and
and would tell us more about who she was with
and where she was. So that hair seems incredibly important.
And as it turns out, Hope's trial defense team did
not even know the hairs existed and they were never tested.
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So Miranda and the Kentucky Innocence Project have been focused
on getting those hairs tested and acquiring other evidence that
was either tested years ago with limited technology or never
tested at all. After the requests for DNA testing were
denied a few times, there was a glimmer of hope.
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So we were recently actually UM granted an oral argument
to talk about the testing statute as an applies to
Hope and hopefully as an applies to many more of
our clients that could benefit for UM from this more
liberal review of cases that should be eligible for post
conviction testing. In the meantime, Hope focuses on moving forward.
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Since I've been incarcerated, I have gotten my cheat and
I would lack to finish college right now. I have
a job. I'm doing land UH. If I'm not at work, UM,
either on the file with the family members or my children,
Shaunda and Desiree are now adults. Hope watch them grow
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up from behind bars. I talked to them all of now.
We have a very good relationship since I've been in here. UM.
Shonda has three daughters of her own now, and Brittany
believes that her sister will be proven innocent. Do you
talk about her getting out? Do you talk about the
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future all the time? UM? I think that helps her
a lot, because that gives her something to look forward to.
It's cheesy, but I joked with her all the time
that her name is her name for a reason. Of course,
my mom didn't know that when she named her, but
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that's something that we use now a lot to try
to encourage her. UM and just tell her, you know,
you have to keep having Hope. I really want to
do something to help other people. My really dream is
to becomin attorney and UM or someone lacks the Innocence
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Project and be able to help people that have dronkfully convicted.
That's my dream. If you want to help Hope and
the Kentucky Innocence Project, go to the link in our bio.
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Next time, Unwrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling Brendan Woodruff. They
felt like he was a lot more sinister when really
it was just me being myself. But your clothing doesn't
make you a killer, and you liking guys and girls
or just guys or just girls, they doesn't make you
a killer either. Thanks for listening to Wrongful Conviction with
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Maggie Freeling. Please support your local innocence organizations and go
to the links in our bio to see how you
can help I'd like to thank our executive producers Jason
Flom and Kevin Wurtis, as well as our senior producer
Annie Chelsea, producer Lila Robinson, and story editor Sonja Paul.
The show is edited and mixed by Annie Chelsea, with
additional production by Jeff Cleburne and Connor Hall. The music
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in this production is by three time OSCAR nominated composer
Jay Ralph. Be sure to follow us on Instagram at
Wrongful Conviction, on Facebook at Wrongful Conviction Podcast, and on
Twitter at Wrong Conviction, as well as at Lava for Good.
On all three platforms, you can also follow me on
both Instagram and Twitter at Maggie Freeling. Wrongful Conviction with
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Maggie Freeling is a production of Lava for Good Podcasts
in association with Signal Company Number one O
Hosts And Creators
Lauren Bright Pacheco
Maggie Freleng
Jason Flom
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