June 25, 2025 • 21 mins
When tragedy strikes, some people find themselves transformed into reluctant warriors. After losing her daughter Terri and grandchildren to domestic violence, Angie Smith became exactly that—channeling unimaginable grief into life-saving advocacy work that's reshaping how we protect vulnerable people.
The heart of this powerful conversation explores Clare's Law, a domestic violence disclosure scheme that allows individuals to check if their partner has a history of abuse. But as Angie discovered through personal experience, the original law had a critical flaw. When someone is already trapped in an abusive relationship, they're unlikely to seek this information themselves, and even if they do, they might not believe it or might have the information intercepted by their abuser. This realization sparked Angie's mission to create "Terri's Law"—an amendment allowing concerned family members to request disclosure about a relative's partner.
Despite resistance from officials who insisted the existing system worked fine, Angie persisted. She gathered evidence, built coalitions, and eventually secured the amendment's passage in 2023. Now she regularly hears from people who have successfully used Terri's Law to protect loved ones from potential harm. Beyond legislative change, Angie runs Terri's Fight, sending essential care bags to women who've fled abusive situations with nothing but the clothes on their backs. She personally operates a helpline, connecting survivors with life-saving resources.
The statistics remain staggering—three women die weekly from domestic violence in the UK alone. Most never receive media attention. Through her grief, Angie reminds us that these aren't just statistics but real families like hers, and that early intervention can prevent devastation. If you're concerned about someone's relationship or experiencing abuse yourself, reach out for help. The resources Angie fought to strengthen could save your life or the life of someone you love.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi Warriors, welcome to One in Three.
I'm your host, ingrid.
Last week, angie Smith bravelyshared the heartbreaking events
that led her to become thepowerful advocate she is today.
In this episode we take adeeper dive into Claire's law,
what it is, why it matters andhow Angie worked to strengthen
it.
She also opens up about thecontinued support she offers to
(00:24):
domestic violence survivors andthe tireless advocacy work she
carries on every single day.
Angie, last week you told aterribly tragic and sad and
infuriating story of yourdaughter and your grandchildren,
(00:45):
and you had mentioned Claire'sLaw in that episode.
So today let's get into whatClaire's Law is and then what
you've been doing with thatsince.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, I'd seen a program on the TV at the time
before my daughter was killed,before my daughter was killed,
and it was Michael Wood.
He was Claire Wood's father andhe bought this.
It's a disclosure scheme and hewent through Parliament and he
(01:17):
got the bill and it was calledClaire's Law so people could, if
they was concerned aboutbringing a new partner into
their lives, children's lives,that you could go on this
disclosure scheme.
It's the right to ask and theright to know and you put all
the details in and that willcome back if there was any
(01:38):
previous conviction of domesticviolence, of domestic violence.
I'd seen a programme about itwhen Terry first met him and I
downloaded the form, but then,when I started to fill it out,
realised the information wouldgo to my daughter.
And so after my daughter waskilled, I thought of thinking
(02:00):
about Claire's Law and thinkingyou know we're not saying you
know anyone could put in forClaire's Law, and thinking you
know we're not saying you knowanyone could put in for Claire's
Law and get disclosure onanybody, but someone who was
like a really close familymember, a mum, a sister.
And so we decided to changethat little bit of Claire's Law
(02:21):
to say that if someone wasconcerned, as I said for a mum
sister that they could put intothis and they'd get the
information, so they'd at leasttalk to their daughter to say
you know, this is what I foundout on this person and we did.
We campaigned, we gotsignatures, we had meetings in
(02:44):
the government, the UKgovernment, as is a parliament,
and yeah, I'm pleased to say2023, yeah, we got that changed.
So that was amazing to be ableto do that and it's starting to
work really well for some peoplenow, which I don't think it was
(03:04):
doing in the.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know, then, I think that's really important
because a lot of times whenindividuals are in these
relationships and you know I canspeak from experience of being
somebody that was in arelationship like that you don't
want to believe that the personthat you love is a bad person,
and you may be hearing goodadvice from everyone around you,
(03:27):
but you're not going to believeit yourself.
So I think that is such animportant piece is for those who
are concerned.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, he was turning around on us.
He just kept saying, well, theydon't like me.
So you know they're not, and Ithink that's how she was
becoming to think.
You know, she would dressindifferently.
She was quite.
I'd say what we call in this Idon't know what you call it,
maybe it's the same thing, it'sa tomboy, which means she
(04:00):
dressed quite.
She used to like tracksuittrainers and she was very, very,
very thin little girl and butwhen she went dim, there was all
sorts of different shorts, lowcut tops, and it was wow, what
has happened to you?
You know?
Um, so there was so many thingsthat he was changing about her
(04:23):
and she didn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And and that happens too you don't realize that
you're making these changesbecause you're just so engrossed
in the relationship, and it'syou mentioned a lot of things
that you noticed, which isreally key, because sometimes
family members don't noticethose things either.
So you realized that she wasn'tcommunicating as much as she
used to her change in clothesand just becoming a different
person, and those are definitelysigns that somebody could
(04:52):
potentially be in an abusiverelationship.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, definitely.
And when she used to come to myhouse with him, he would never
let her go into a room on herown with me, him, he would never
let her go into a room on herown with me.
He would follow her.
Every time she she moved intoanother room with me, he'd come
into that room because obviouslyhe didn't want her telling me
anything right and thenisolating her and making her
(05:20):
feel she then couldn't talk toyou about anything either.
Were you met with any resistancewhen you were trying to get
Terry's Law passed.
We had a meeting at one pointwith the local government and
(05:43):
she kept saying oh yeah,claire's law works, it works.
And we were saying it doesn't.
Sometimes it doesn't.
We need it to go to otherfamily members because that
person, you know, if they do itat all, they're not going to
believe it.
They're not going to do that.
(06:05):
If you're in an abusiverelationship, really nine times
out of ten you're not going todo that, and so it needs to be
like a family member that can doit and at least try to tell
them.
You know, this is what'shappened and they were saying,
oh, it does work.
And we said we haven't.
(06:25):
We got 10 actual people to doit and it was different age
groups and they got nothing.
No one got anything from it.
But as soon as we got thattweaked and it has now started
to work on our website that arecurrently run.
You know I'm getting peoplegoing we've put in for Claire's
(06:47):
Law and it's actually comingback and so that's got to be
yeah.
That really humbles me andmakes me think.
You know, I mean because when Istarted out this, I just
thought if I could help oneperson, if I could save one
person.
But you know, I know through mywebsite that I've saved far
(07:08):
more than that, so that's onlygot to be a win-win now.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Absolutely, and I understand how they were saying
Claire's Law helps because theydo have you know, have numbers
of the individuals that it helps.
But, like you said, there'sthat piece that's missing and
when you're in the relationshipyou're not going to necessarily
ask if there's anything and then, even if you got that
information, you're going toexcuse it away of like well,
(07:33):
that person brought out theworst in my partner and I'm not
bringing out the worst in mypartner.
You also brought up a veryimportant piece of.
He was living there and so ifit came in the mail there was a
very high likelihood of him.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, yeah, and I just didn't want to.
I mean, no, not that we knew ofthat.
He had convictions for anyother thing.
I mean, obviously he was onprobation and they had.
Actually there was a lot offailings because he'd had
convictions that were lockedaway in what they call a meta
(08:18):
and no one had told my daughterhe had a domestic violence
Mm-hmm, he had a concern forunderage children.
That was never told to him,terry Never.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wasn't that part of Claire's Law too, is that?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, it's totally different.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's the National Probation Service.
They keep a check on.
Someone's got a criminal record.
He was going.
He was going there every weekand they knew this.
They knew they had a domesticviolence thing.
They knew he had a concern forunderage girls under the age of
(08:58):
16.
And no one ever told mydaughter that that was kept
locked away.
She was never given the chanceto even say no.
You know, I need to get rid ofthis person.
Never even given the chance.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, and I've read books and I've done some
research on things and there aredifferent things called danger
assessments to whereprofessionals can review an
individual to assess their riskof, you know, harm or even
murder, and I mean a history ofdomestic violence and the things
(09:39):
that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He would have been placed at a he was placed a
medium risk to the public whenhe should have been an high risk
to the public, women andchildren.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, how did they think it was medium?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Someone didn't do their job properly.
You know, for one person thatjust didn't do their job
properly, they could have savedher.
You know, they'd all still behere now.
And that is you.
(10:20):
Just, you can't comprehend that.
You cannot even go to put myhead around that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Uh, just, if that had happened, um, yeah, they'd have
all still been here I mean I Iimagine that would be a very
difficult thing to keep yourselffrom doing is going down all
these avenues of what if, oronly if definitely, yeah, yeah,
definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know what if I didn't put in the?
What if I'd had put in theclears law?
I would have known and, and andit's just like that's it.
You.
You second guess yourself allthe time.
You know what if I'd have donethis, what if I'd have done this
, what if I'd have done that?
But at the end of the day, noone could know or even think
(11:06):
that someone were capable ofthat.
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No, and I've mentioned this before too is you
know, when you hear somethinglike this, you couldn't even
submit it to you know a moviedirector, because it just it
seems so unfathomable thatanother human would do this to
you.
Know it?
Just it, yeah, it doesn't seemlike it could be real no, it
(11:31):
doesn't seem real.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, you know, as I said this, this september it'd
be four years.
You know we've had to do a lotof things that we At the time we
couldn't make them decisions,but we had to.
You know, I couldn't even getmy daughter laid to rest because
(11:54):
press were going round lookingfor my daughter's grave, take
pictures of it.
So I've only just now got aload to rest.
You know, there were so manythings.
You know we had a funeral andit was there were TV cameras
(12:15):
there At one time when we justneeded to be able to grieve, we
couldn't because you had a TVcamera shoved in your face and
that was it.
You know the whole of herfuneral went viral and and it
was like what you know.
(12:38):
You know, our actual funeral wehad a police escort.
You know I can remember sittingin the car on the day and
thinking we're just a normalfamily.
We're not, you know, we're justan average normal family.
My daughter had never been introuble with the police.
(12:59):
She wasn't a drug taker.
And when we were in the carthat day at a funeral, we're
like what?
I don't understand any of this.
This is not my world at all.
So doing all these things thatI've done since, I mean, I
couldn't even work.
I couldn't work my phone halfthe time and I used to actually
(13:24):
message my grandson and go, howdo I do this?
So you know, this is massiveleaps and bounds for me to be
able to do all these things, nowthat I do.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, so let's talk more about that.
So you got Terry's Law passedand then you have a website, you
have social media, and what doyou do with those?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's called Terry's Fight.
Yeah, we started it literally,I think, about a year after she
died.
You know I needed I said to herand because I couldn't do all
the social media side, Iliterally said to one of our
friends, you know, I want tokeep their name going.
(14:04):
They should still be here and Iwant to help other people.
I didn't know exactly how I wasgoing to do it and so they set
up the website for me and I do.
I send bags out for people thathave fled domestic violence.
You know, because some of thesewomen they come out and they
(14:27):
have nothing behind the clothesthey stand up with.
Our bags consist of toiletries.
We put a little hug in themthat's called a hug, which is a
little bear that throws his armsopen, which my auntie makes.
Yeah, we put all those thingsinto a bag airbrush, notebook
(14:51):
pen and so we've been sendingthose out to refugees.
I think I've done over.
That's got to be 290, somethingnow which is shocking.
It is shocking.
I mean we lose.
In the UK alone we lose threewomen every year to domestic,
(15:12):
every week to domestic violence.
You know our British governmenthave said it's an epidemic here
.
Ask the people you don't hearof that lose their lives because
like my daughter, unfortunately, was the exception she got
killed of her children.
(15:33):
Most of these women just die atthe hands of her partner,
ex-partner, and they don't evenget a mention.
So, yeah, I will carry on doingwhat I do.
Now we have a care line so thatif anyone is in really
immediate danger can ring it.
(15:54):
I'm the only person that mansthe care line, which a lot of
people find unbelievable aboutdoing, and I talk to women just
that are in my sort of situation.
I was in then and I give themnumbers for refugees, other
information they need or just totalk to them if they need
(16:16):
someone to talk to.
So, yeah, we have a lot ofthings going on.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's amazing.
I don't know how you find allthe time for that.
Do you mind sharing how, ifsomebody wants to look into some
of this information how theywould like the website or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, it's just a Facebook website and if you tap
into your bot and your facebook,terry's fight, that will come
up um.
Then you can join our website.
You can see what we do um.
Also, if you need any moreinformation, you know in the uk,
um, we can give you some of therefugees number and if you are
(16:57):
in you know, a really dangeroussituation, they can give you
some of the refugees number, andif you are in you know a really
dangerous situation, they canhelp you get out of that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And I follow your Facebook page and it's nice
because you do you post littleuplifting things in there too,
and information like update newsinformation, and it's it's
quite a helpful page.
In closing, is there anythingyou can think of?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, just if you are in or you think that you are in
an abusive relationship, ifsomeone makes you scared or
makes you do things that youdon't really want to do, just
get help.
Get help because nobody wantsto be in my place at the moment,
because you know what it doeshappen and yeah, just just get
(17:48):
out.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Don't, don't even think about it, just go run
right, and if you aren't sure,you can always reach out to
different advocacy groups andexplain what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Obviously.
You know in the UK we haveRefuge and you know domestic
violence, charities, and I'msure you've got them in America
as well.
Yes, so yeah, just ask for help?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Absolutely.
And then what would you likelisteners to remember about
Terry John Lacey?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They were an average family.
They had big hearts.
They, you know my grandchildrenused to raise money for cancer
research.
They were just a I wouldn't sayperfect little family, you know
, but they were just a Iwouldn't say perfect little
family, you know, but they werejust this little average family
(18:44):
that loved life, loved doingthings.
So, yeah, and she can rememberterry, because there's been
quite a lot of bad presssometimes with terry saying, you
know, she should have known andand she wouldn't have, she
wouldn't have put her childrenat risk.
No way would she have.
So they were just a happylittle family okay, well, thank
(19:06):
you, angie.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So much for your time , and I know it's difficult
telling this over and over again, but I really appreciate it.
I think it will be extremelyhelpful for listeners all over
the world and then, um, forthose in the in the UK that have
you as a potential resource aswell.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's okay.
If I, as I said, anything I cando to help, I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Thank you again.
Thank you.
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Tim Crow crowd.
Hi Warriors, welcome to One in Three.
I'm your host, ingrid.
Last week, angie Smith bravelyshared the heartbreaking events
that led her to become thepowerful advocate she is today.
In this episode we take adeeper dive into Claire's law,
what it is, why it matters andhow Angie worked to strengthen
it.
She also opens up about thecontinued support she offers to
(00:24):
domestic violence survivors andthe tireless advocacy work she
carries on every single day.
Angie, last week you told aterribly tragic and sad and
infuriating story of yourdaughter and your grandchildren,
(00:45):
and you had mentioned Claire'sLaw in that episode.
So today let's get into whatClaire's Law is and then what
you've been doing with thatsince.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, I'd seen a program on the TV at the time
before my daughter was killed,before my daughter was killed,
and it was Michael Wood.
He was Claire Wood's father andhe bought this.
It's a disclosure scheme and hewent through Parliament and he
(01:17):
got the bill and it was calledClaire's Law so people could, if
they was concerned aboutbringing a new partner into
their lives, children's lives,that you could go on this
disclosure scheme.
It's the right to ask and theright to know and you put all
the details in and that willcome back if there was any
(01:38):
previous conviction of domesticviolence, of domestic violence.
I'd seen a programme about itwhen Terry first met him and I
downloaded the form, but then,when I started to fill it out,
realised the information wouldgo to my daughter.
And so after my daughter waskilled, I thought of thinking
(02:00):
about Claire's Law and thinkingyou know we're not saying you
know anyone could put in forClaire's Law, and thinking you
know we're not saying you knowanyone could put in for Claire's
Law and get disclosure onanybody, but someone who was
like a really close familymember, a mum, a sister.
And so we decided to changethat little bit of Claire's Law
(02:21):
to say that if someone wasconcerned, as I said for a mum
sister that they could put intothis and they'd get the
information, so they'd at leasttalk to their daughter to say
you know, this is what I foundout on this person and we did.
We campaigned, we gotsignatures, we had meetings in
(02:44):
the government, the UKgovernment, as is a parliament,
and yeah, I'm pleased to say2023, yeah, we got that changed.
So that was amazing to be ableto do that and it's starting to
work really well for some peoplenow, which I don't think it was
(03:04):
doing in the.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know, then, I think that's really important
because a lot of times whenindividuals are in these
relationships and you know I canspeak from experience of being
somebody that was in arelationship like that you don't
want to believe that the personthat you love is a bad person,
and you may be hearing goodadvice from everyone around you,
(03:27):
but you're not going to believeit yourself.
So I think that is such animportant piece is for those who
are concerned.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, he was turning around on us.
He just kept saying, well, theydon't like me.
So you know they're not, and Ithink that's how she was
becoming to think.
You know, she would dressindifferently.
She was quite.
I'd say what we call in this Idon't know what you call it,
maybe it's the same thing, it'sa tomboy, which means she
(04:00):
dressed quite.
She used to like tracksuittrainers and she was very, very,
very thin little girl and butwhen she went dim, there was all
sorts of different shorts, lowcut tops, and it was wow, what
has happened to you?
You know?
Um, so there was so many thingsthat he was changing about her
(04:23):
and she didn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And and that happens too you don't realize that
you're making these changesbecause you're just so engrossed
in the relationship, and it'syou mentioned a lot of things
that you noticed, which isreally key, because sometimes
family members don't noticethose things either.
So you realized that she wasn'tcommunicating as much as she
used to her change in clothesand just becoming a different
person, and those are definitelysigns that somebody could
(04:52):
potentially be in an abusiverelationship.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, definitely.
And when she used to come to myhouse with him, he would never
let her go into a room on herown with me, him, he would never
let her go into a room on herown with me.
He would follow her.
Every time she she moved intoanother room with me, he'd come
into that room because obviouslyhe didn't want her telling me
anything right and thenisolating her and making her
(05:20):
feel she then couldn't talk toyou about anything either.
Were you met with any resistancewhen you were trying to get
Terry's Law passed.
We had a meeting at one pointwith the local government and
(05:43):
she kept saying oh yeah,claire's law works, it works.
And we were saying it doesn't.
Sometimes it doesn't.
We need it to go to otherfamily members because that
person, you know, if they do itat all, they're not going to
believe it.
They're not going to do that.
(06:05):
If you're in an abusiverelationship, really nine times
out of ten you're not going todo that, and so it needs to be
like a family member that can doit and at least try to tell
them.
You know, this is what'shappened and they were saying,
oh, it does work.
And we said we haven't.
(06:25):
We got 10 actual people to doit and it was different age
groups and they got nothing.
No one got anything from it.
But as soon as we got thattweaked and it has now started
to work on our website that arecurrently run.
You know I'm getting peoplegoing we've put in for Claire's
(06:47):
Law and it's actually comingback and so that's got to be
yeah.
That really humbles me andmakes me think.
You know, I mean because when Istarted out this, I just
thought if I could help oneperson, if I could save one
person.
But you know, I know through mywebsite that I've saved far
(07:08):
more than that, so that's onlygot to be a win-win now.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Absolutely, and I understand how they were saying
Claire's Law helps because theydo have you know, have numbers
of the individuals that it helps.
But, like you said, there'sthat piece that's missing and
when you're in the relationshipyou're not going to necessarily
ask if there's anything and then, even if you got that
information, you're going toexcuse it away of like well,
(07:33):
that person brought out theworst in my partner and I'm not
bringing out the worst in mypartner.
You also brought up a veryimportant piece of.
He was living there and so ifit came in the mail there was a
very high likelihood of him.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, yeah, and I just didn't want to.
I mean, no, not that we knew ofthat.
He had convictions for anyother thing.
I mean, obviously he was onprobation and they had.
Actually there was a lot offailings because he'd had
convictions that were lockedaway in what they call a meta
(08:18):
and no one had told my daughterhe had a domestic violence
Mm-hmm, he had a concern forunderage children.
That was never told to him,terry Never.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wasn't that part of Claire's Law too, is that?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, it's totally different.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's the National Probation Service.
They keep a check on.
Someone's got a criminal record.
He was going.
He was going there every weekand they knew this.
They knew they had a domesticviolence thing.
They knew he had a concern forunderage girls under the age of
(08:58):
16.
And no one ever told mydaughter that that was kept
locked away.
She was never given the chanceto even say no.
You know, I need to get rid ofthis person.
Never even given the chance.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, and I've read books and I've done some
research on things and there aredifferent things called danger
assessments to whereprofessionals can review an
individual to assess their riskof, you know, harm or even
murder, and I mean a history ofdomestic violence and the things
(09:39):
that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He would have been placed at a he was placed a
medium risk to the public whenhe should have been an high risk
to the public, women andchildren.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, how did they think it was medium?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Someone didn't do their job properly.
You know, for one person thatjust didn't do their job
properly, they could have savedher.
You know, they'd all still behere now.
And that is you.
(10:20):
Just, you can't comprehend that.
You cannot even go to put myhead around that.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Uh, just, if that had happened, um, yeah, they'd have
all still been here I mean I Iimagine that would be a very
difficult thing to keep yourselffrom doing is going down all
these avenues of what if, oronly if definitely, yeah, yeah,
definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know what if I didn't put in the?
What if I'd had put in theclears law?
I would have known and, and andit's just like that's it.
You.
You second guess yourself allthe time.
You know what if I'd have donethis, what if I'd have done this
, what if I'd have done that?
But at the end of the day, noone could know or even think
(11:06):
that someone were capable ofthat.
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No, and I've mentioned this before too is you
know, when you hear somethinglike this, you couldn't even
submit it to you know a moviedirector, because it just it
seems so unfathomable thatanother human would do this to
you.
Know it?
Just it, yeah, it doesn't seemlike it could be real no, it
(11:31):
doesn't seem real.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, you know, as I said this, this september it'd
be four years.
You know we've had to do a lotof things that we At the time we
couldn't make them decisions,but we had to.
You know, I couldn't even getmy daughter laid to rest because
(11:54):
press were going round lookingfor my daughter's grave, take
pictures of it.
So I've only just now got aload to rest.
You know, there were so manythings.
You know we had a funeral andit was there were TV cameras
(12:15):
there At one time when we justneeded to be able to grieve, we
couldn't because you had a TVcamera shoved in your face and
that was it.
You know the whole of herfuneral went viral and and it
was like what you know.
(12:38):
You know, our actual funeral wehad a police escort.
You know I can remember sittingin the car on the day and
thinking we're just a normalfamily.
We're not, you know, we're justan average normal family.
My daughter had never been introuble with the police.
(12:59):
She wasn't a drug taker.
And when we were in the carthat day at a funeral, we're
like what?
I don't understand any of this.
This is not my world at all.
So doing all these things thatI've done since, I mean, I
couldn't even work.
I couldn't work my phone halfthe time and I used to actually
(13:24):
message my grandson and go, howdo I do this?
So you know, this is massiveleaps and bounds for me to be
able to do all these things, nowthat I do.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, so let's talk more about that.
So you got Terry's Law passedand then you have a website, you
have social media, and what doyou do with those?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's called Terry's Fight.
Yeah, we started it literally,I think, about a year after she
died.
You know I needed I said to herand because I couldn't do all
the social media side, Iliterally said to one of our
friends, you know, I want tokeep their name going.
(14:04):
They should still be here and Iwant to help other people.
I didn't know exactly how I wasgoing to do it and so they set
up the website for me and I do.
I send bags out for people thathave fled domestic violence.
You know, because some of thesewomen they come out and they
(14:27):
have nothing behind the clothesthey stand up with.
Our bags consist of toiletries.
We put a little hug in themthat's called a hug, which is a
little bear that throws his armsopen, which my auntie makes.
Yeah, we put all those thingsinto a bag airbrush, notebook
(14:51):
pen and so we've been sendingthose out to refugees.
I think I've done over.
That's got to be 290, somethingnow which is shocking.
It is shocking.
I mean we lose.
In the UK alone we lose threewomen every year to domestic,
(15:12):
every week to domestic violence.
You know our British governmenthave said it's an epidemic here
.
Ask the people you don't hearof that lose their lives because
like my daughter, unfortunately, was the exception she got
killed of her children.
(15:33):
Most of these women just die atthe hands of her partner,
ex-partner, and they don't evenget a mention.
So, yeah, I will carry on doingwhat I do.
Now we have a care line so thatif anyone is in really
immediate danger can ring it.
(15:54):
I'm the only person that mansthe care line, which a lot of
people find unbelievable aboutdoing, and I talk to women just
that are in my sort of situation.
I was in then and I give themnumbers for refugees, other
information they need or just totalk to them if they need
(16:16):
someone to talk to.
So, yeah, we have a lot ofthings going on.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's amazing.
I don't know how you find allthe time for that.
Do you mind sharing how, ifsomebody wants to look into some
of this information how theywould like the website or
anything like that?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, it's just a Facebook website and if you tap
into your bot and your facebook,terry's fight, that will come
up um.
Then you can join our website.
You can see what we do um.
Also, if you need any moreinformation, you know in the uk,
um, we can give you some of therefugees number and if you are
(16:57):
in you know, a really dangeroussituation, they can give you
some of the refugees number, andif you are in you know a really
dangerous situation, they canhelp you get out of that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And I follow your Facebook page and it's nice
because you do you post littleuplifting things in there too,
and information like update newsinformation, and it's it's
quite a helpful page.
In closing, is there anythingyou can think of?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, just if you are in or you think that you are in
an abusive relationship, ifsomeone makes you scared or
makes you do things that youdon't really want to do, just
get help.
Get help because nobody wantsto be in my place at the moment,
because you know what it doeshappen and yeah, just just get
(17:48):
out.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Don't, don't even think about it, just go run
right, and if you aren't sure,you can always reach out to
different advocacy groups andexplain what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Obviously.
You know in the UK we haveRefuge and you know domestic
violence, charities, and I'msure you've got them in America
as well.
Yes, so yeah, just ask for help?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Absolutely.
And then what would you likelisteners to remember about
Terry John Lacey?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
They were an average family.
They had big hearts.
They, you know my grandchildrenused to raise money for cancer
research.
They were just a I wouldn't sayperfect little family, you know
, but they were just a Iwouldn't say perfect little
family, you know, but they werejust this little average family
(18:44):
that loved life, loved doingthings.
So, yeah, and she can rememberterry, because there's been
quite a lot of bad presssometimes with terry saying, you
know, she should have known andand she wouldn't have, she
wouldn't have put her childrenat risk.
No way would she have.
So they were just a happylittle family okay, well, thank
(19:06):
you, angie.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So much for your time , and I know it's difficult
telling this over and over again, but I really appreciate it.
I think it will be extremelyhelpful for listeners all over
the world and then, um, forthose in the in the UK that have
you as a potential resource aswell.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's okay.
If I, as I said, anything I cando to help, I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Thank you again.
Thank you.
Thank you, Angie, for joiningme today and for all of your
tireless work, and thank all ofyou for listening.
I've included the link toAngie's 1 in 3 profile in the
show notes.
Please take a look at it, as itincludes an Amazon link to help
purchase items for the Terry'sFight Bags.
(19:55):
I will be back next week withanother episode for you fight
bags.
I will be back next week withanother episode for you.
Until then, stay strong andwherever you are in your journey
, always remember you are notalone.
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