May 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Kimberly Hopkins joins Corey in the studio to share her inspiring journey into recovery and how she became a part of the 217 Recovery team. From personal transformation to finding purpose in helping others, Kim opens up about what led her to 217 and the passion she brings to the recovery community. Don’t miss this heartfelt and motivating conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Corey Winfield,
Corey Winfield, Corey, you have a rich person's name, like
you should be a billionaire with the name Winfield. Anyway,
call me back, bro, it is.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Corey Winfield. This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast
and have very special guests in the studio with me today,
Kim Hopkins, Kimberlee. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I am good? How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing all right? You're over there dancing, Yeah, so good.
We're gonna have a good podcast today, a because we're
doing one, of course. I mean, you got to do
one to have it be good. We haven't done one
so long and like done a really good one, seriously,
I mean, I guess we did, but it's just been
so long ago. Yeah, and it's just've been busy and
I don't want to get out of here and complain
(00:56):
about doing this or doing that or not. I just
want to talk to Kim Kim Lee Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So, Kim, yes, Corey.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why don't you talk about where you're from? How'd you
grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well? I'm from Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, Southwest Detroit, I'm the
twelve out of thirteen children.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's a lot of kids, Kim, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But she did it very strong woman, Vera.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah. But we had a really good, a really good childhood.
You know, we was very close growing up. She was
the best cook ever. Yes, everybody used to come to
our house and eat everybody. My mother used to cook
for people too. Don't fall off from the tree.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, because a lot, Kim. And before we get into
more of your story, let's we should probably talk about
how I know you and all that good stuff. So, Kim,
I've known for a couple of years now, it seems like, right, yeah, Mo,
than couple more than two. Yeah, it's been a minute, right,
And you started coming to the two seventeen Recovery Center
(02:08):
and you come here for me. So you have a
mutual friend and he kind of introduced us to you
and you to us, and you know, we've kind of
helped you and you've helped us. You know, I mean,
this is great and the stuff that you do for
us is wonderful. I was just talking earlier because we're
planning for Recovery Stories Part six in July, and we
were talking about like, because we like to feed people
(02:29):
because there's something about like having a meal with people,
sitting down with someone. It could be strangers, but everybody
in the room is either in recovery or has a
tie to recovery because you're at recovery story, so like
to bond with people and people you don't know and
to have a meal and so it's really cool. So
we were thinking about that and then Marnie throws out like, hey,
Kim does this kind of thing, like this is what
Kim does, Like well, I always see if she'd be
(02:50):
interested in doing it, and it's like, oh okay, And
then we started kind of joking about like because whether
you wanted to have a catering business or not, you know,
I mean, this be just a one time thing whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Remember the first yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Going back to yeah, yes, And I.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Was like I got my first job.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And the people that gave us funding for this place,
you know it to allowed us to have this place.
Like I'm like, that's like they need to see Kim,
you know, like a person that started out using us
and then like helping us by volunteering and we wanted
to pay you and you're like hey, camp right now,
but but still like you volunteer here and like the
stuff that you're doing, and then now we're gonna probably
(03:29):
have you cater the food for the event, and it's like,
look how that comes full circle. And then just by
you volunteering for that very first recovery stories and then
Stewart seeing you and going hey, man, like this woman
is great, you know, and and Big Perm I think
it was too. It was like, hey, ma, I we
should hire her. And you got a job by volunteering,
(03:51):
Like if you'd have been like, nope, I don't feel
like doing that. And that's why I tell people all
the time, like if you just sit at your sit
at home on your couch and you wait for opportunity
to show up, it's not knocking, Like you have to
go out. You have to be in those places right right.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I was there at the right place, right time,
you know. And I met the head the head chef Perm.
He was in the kitchen. Didn't even know that he
was the head chef. I didn't even know it. And
I was in there just a cooking doing and everything
I have to do, and he just a talk and
it then come out that it was his kitchen, and
I was like, thank you, chef for letting me come
(04:28):
in your kitchen, and we hit it off so good
and we were just laughing back there. Remember we was
laughing coming back and forth. And at the end of
the night he was like, hey, yeah, I'm coming to
pick you up Friday, and that was a job.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, and we were like, that is so cool and
we're so happy, Like the event went really well, you know,
we had that was the first one we ever did.
We did spaghetti, like we made it ourselves to serve
the people. Yeah, and we had salad and breaststakes and
all that stuff, and so it was a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, but was so much fun and we did it.
We did and first one. And look how big it got.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Now how big is it now?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh wow? And how many people was here last time?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think it's many that could fit into the building
fire coding.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Because as I hear, standing room only, Yeah, it was
standing room only. And the very first one, if he
has seats, you know, just a couple of seats empty
and all and the n now everybody really wanted to
get the chance. Now we have you have people rapping, yeah,
saying the poems Gary everything, Gary did really good? Did
(05:40):
he really did.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And that's and that's something that I yeah, I'm gonna
say yeah to that. You know, even if he was bad,
I probably would have said yeah. I mean, I don't know,
like if somebody wants to get because it's what he
came up and he's like, hey, I want to perform.
Is it okay if I do a rap? And I
think he asked you or something or you said you know,
you should ask Corey and so he did and I
was like yeah, you know, he started like kind of
(06:02):
freestyle and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, you're good.
So yeah, absolutely, and it was fun and it's cool
to give people like that an opportunity of the outlet.
And I know that's what I need. That's what I
use this podcast for. You know. I needed that, like
I need to entertain, I need to talk because this
was my kind of like my therapy almost.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Saying people love this, Oh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Know if they love it. I love it and it
keeps me sober. So that's what I do. But for Gary,
he likes threatn and we talked about that rush you
get and I don't get it really anymore. But like
early on when I would have to go introduce people
on stage or be in an event from a bunch
of people.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
What about the event we did the U fail it
was you excited being a MC and then you get
your rush.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yet I mean it doesn't Yeah it was. I mean,
that's that's such an honor to do that, and I
kind of don't want to screw it up. So I
don't even think I said my name when I did
this last U FAM last month or whatever or a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm saying it. I know I kept walking by.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Corey, I know, but I don't think I said. It's
just like, all right, thanks, here's what we're doing. Thank God,
and people I was like, all right, let's go. But yeah,
I don't know, I don't I don't get the nerve
or I don't get that rush as much as it
used to.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And I don't know, you're so calmon used to it,
but you're just still love it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I still love it, And there is there is
a little bit of like getting up there and having
the mic. It's just it's fun. But at first it
will freak you out sometimes, you know. It did. Me
and Gary we talked about that, like, yeah, like just
to get that right, he said, he was a little
nervous when I got up there, But that's good. You
can you can be nervous, and it's actually normal to
be nervous. And when I wasn't nervous in front like
(07:41):
this time that you fam, I was like, why am
I not nervous? Like what was going on right? Which
I don't know what that means. But but it's.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
When it's something you love, like they say, and it's
really true. When you love it you're not working. You know,
it's something that just come easy to you, and it
feels so good to do it when you doing it.
You know, I love it when I'm cooking, I am
so it comes to me and it made me. I
want to make it look pretty. I want to make
(08:09):
it look good, and I wanted to taste good, you know,
And that's something I can do and I really appreciate
doing it. I'm glad I had that gift, you know,
so hey, so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's nice having because I have Marnie who's a great cook,
and then you so it's.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like bacon, Oh my gosh, she is so good.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
She's good. And I don't know why I'm fat. I
know that's a whole other conversation and we'll do this,
we'll do the whole Losing Weight podcast episode next.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But we're all going to be up here.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Jumping on the train. But with with your story thoughing
back to it, let's talk about So we talked about volunteering.
Let's talk about how you got to violence. So how
did you end up in Travers City volunteering at Recovery
Stories Message of Hope Part one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, I've a friend when I came here and I've
just got out of the rehab and I was in
a sober living and I was coming up here every day.
Every day I was coming up and I was like, yeah,
you know, I can cook, but I'm just up here
(09:20):
doing everything and doing all my meetings and everything. And
when I heard y'all speaking of this sorry, the event
that was about to happen, and I was just listening
like wow, oh okay, I wondering what I could I cook?
And I think they came up and I was like,
you know, I can cook. I went to school and
(09:42):
I am a chef. And you was like really, because
I guess you had to get to know me. We
had to get to learn each other because I was
coming up every day and you thought maybe when I
said you will see me every day, I know you
thought I was joking. You see I wasn't. Yeah, I
was here every day, I was even walking.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But in your defense, I mean, some people are like, wow,
like she's crazy, stalker or but we have a lot
of fun here, and at that time, it was it
was different, and we did have a lot of fun here.
I mean we have fun here now too, but it
was just it was different.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Then.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We were new, we were opening, we were trying new things,
and there's just kind of a new growing experience in
the community and just like learning people. And then you
come along and you're in sober living. I don't even
I don't know if they have a thing, but there's
like some some sober living sabits where you can even
have a job for the first sixty day or thirty days.
(10:37):
You know, like what are you what else are you
supposed to do? You know, are you just going to
sit at home and talk about and listen to or
listen to people talk about all the fun drugs they
used to do. Because there's one guy in every house
in the world, every sober living home, there's a guy
there is and yeah, there's that guy every house, even
in the women's houses, there's that guy. So what are
(11:01):
your options? You know, like, hey, it's right down the street,
might as well, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And one thing is you were so you was. I
mean to me, it is walking distance, which it is,
and I can come every day and I can do
something different every day, and then I can hear something
different and I can learn something different every day. And
that was important to me because I'm still learning different
things and things I didn't even know, you know, and
(11:29):
I'm learning and that was so cool to me, you know.
And then going places because at that time we was
going places. Were was going rock cunting, which I never did,
not that guy in the rock counting, you know, never,
you know, no I changed, you know. So it was
so it was so different, you know, and being around
(11:52):
one thing, being around people to have fun and sober.
That's what I never did. I never have fun sober
anytime I go fishing, anytime I'm cooking, anytime were playing
cards around a big group of people. I never was sober.
(12:13):
And this is just taught me how to have fun
and being sober. So that was important, and that's important
to people now they have to learn how to still
have fun, but they have to be stay sober.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Scary. Was it scary for you and think about that,
to think about how am I going to go fishing? Yeah,
without drinking a little summer, have a little something.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Right, because you always have your beer when you're drinking,
and you have your liquor. And it was really, it
was really scared. It was scared to come out and
talk to people without being with I mean, talk to
people being sober. Sometimes I have to have a drink,
you know, and then you laugh and joke and have fun.
(12:54):
Now I can have fun now and don't even drink.
I can talk to people and don't even drink when
I go fishing. I can fishing. I don't have to
have a drink. And it's pretty cool, you know, because
now hey, I can feel that hook in my finger.
I can feel oh yeah, so fun, you know, you know.
(13:15):
I mean, now it's a rush. It's a rush now,
you know, to get the hook stuck and just be
getting to fish up and everything. I had a ball,
I had a ball. I was so sore, but I
had a ball, you know, and I was sober. And
that was the ip pointing part. I was with my
brother and my sister in law down there and there
(13:36):
was like how you doing? They was, they were so shocked.
You know. I got up and when fishing came back,
I went around twice in the day came back. There
was like you want to eat? I eat when I
get back. You know, it was so cool and to
be around people like that is so cool that you
(13:57):
can be around people that they don't dream, no cussing,
no fussing, nobody arguing, and nobody trying to get over
on you, you know, and by us being in recovery, we
need to find people like that. We need to find
good people to be around. Once you find that one
person to be like, oh girl, come on, you can
(14:17):
have a drink, girl, come on, you can do That's over? Yeah,
you know it's over because I mean, it's sad. It's
sad that people want you to do be.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It, and it's sometimes it's not they want you to
do bad, but they just say that misery loves company
and m you know, and especially if people are in
you know, early recovery several living houses with other people
like let's go do it together because it's gonna make
me not feel bad about it, and I'll justify it
to you, and you can give me your story and
I'll justify it and we'll be all good. And here's
(14:49):
the reasons why we did it. And it's because this
and that, and it was an incident in talent that
just happened. And I was talking to somebody about it
the other day and these people, I guess we're left
at the same place or something. And person wasn't real
happy about it, and anyway went out to start doing
drugs and stuff again. And that was well, because I
(15:13):
was mad. We'll use anything as an excuse, you know,
Like I mean, like, there's a lot of bad things happening,
and it's not because of our what we do or
anybody's fault. But with the recovery community right now, there's
a lot of funding being pulled because people don't need
help anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Or something, but we still need help.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
We're good or something.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
No, no, no, something.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, it would be a good way to get rid
of poor people in middle class because rich people can
send their kids to private facilities, but middle class and
lower class going now, even if you have insurance, okay,
do you have ten grand to pay the okay, probably
(16:05):
maybe maybe forty, maybe more, I don't know. Okay, what
about those other Okay, let's say sixty percent? Then okay,
they don't have it, so what's happening to them? And
then if they lose their job and then my medicaid
wait what oh Medicaid's getting cut and all this funding
like I've been hearing bad thanks man, and it's not
good and this is unacceptable for me, So we have
to do something about it. I'll just stay tuned. But
(16:29):
I have a son now, soap, so so I'm not
going to sit back and let the people that are
taking my money from my check before I even get
it tell me that my if my son has this
problem one day that he can't go get help.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You see, you see, yeah, and we need to. This
is such a good community up here, you know, of
recovery people, and they really want to help and we
have to stick together and they do so, I mean
that's the best part that they find. It's really fine
(17:14):
for them.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But your average person, the one that's out there voting
for whoever they're voting for, I don't know, you know,
And this is where they kind of sidetrack people. Hey,
what is it one percent. Okay, maybe if it's two,
what if it's three. I don't care the percent, but
I'm just throwing it out there because they'll do this.
(17:36):
They'll take an issue that affects one percent of the
whole world and make it this big thing. And you know,
this is somebody's right to be a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, cool, great, how about we focus on something like
but then you get the people that are like, hey,
I want to be that. Like I'm saying, go be that.
That's fine, but let's really worry about the real issues.
You know, like more people are dying every day because
they're not getting to treat me because they're not getting
the proper treat treatment being sent through McDonald's. The This
(18:06):
just pisses me off and it needs to change. Yeah,
because and I don't know how people sit back and
let it happen. Like I'm somebody's kid. You're somebody's kid,
you know, like everybody in this building, everybody in this
world is somebody's kid, and the parents aren't going wait wait, wait, wait,
hold on. What So you're putting a commercial in every
stop set, in a TV program and it's gonna have gambling.
(18:28):
It's gonna have liquor, gonna have something, you know. I
mean the kids shows probably not know now that they
want to sell some toys, so they'll go with that.
But that's what they're trying to tell you. So they're
taking the money, they're reaping the benefits, and then when
people need help, they're like, no, kick you like a dog.
And I and the whole Michigan things saying, well, federals
taking our money, and you know what, we get a
(18:48):
lot of money through the syntax. And I'm talking about alcohol,
I'm talking about tobacco, I'm talking about weed, I'm talking
about all of it. Gambling, we could take care of people.
And the fact that if somebody writes now wants to
go home to treatment for gambling, if you want to go, kim, sorry,
we're just gonna We're gonna have somebody to call you
in a couple of weeks if she has time, because
(19:09):
there's not anybody doing it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And that's when we need help because a lot of
people still need help. A lot of people still need help,
you know, and a lot of people it's scaring a
lot of people, you know, people are leaving, people are
wanting this is an excuse for a lot of people
to get high. Yeah, you know, they're going out and
(19:30):
they leaving, and they're doing this because they're afraid. Wow,
wait a minute, we can't go get help. Now, I
know it sounds crazy, but they can't go get help,
so what else can they do? And this help is
teaching us how we can cope with things like this.
You know, I'm so fortunately. I'm very fortunate that I
(19:51):
got help and I learned how to cope with certain issues.
And that's what we need to learn how to do.
And we need these houses. We we need these programs
because people need to learn how to cope with it.
You know why I'm out here doing this? Why am
I keep going out drinking? I'm drinking every day? Why?
(20:12):
There's a reason why. And these these places is helping
us find out the reason why. But you know what,
we also have to want it. We have to want
to change and we have to do like this. Like
I remember a time when you used to tell me, Kim,
you have to work the program. You have to do it.
If you really want to, you can do it, you know.
(20:34):
And when I first went, I really didn't. I really
didn't work. And you know, it didn't bother me. But
when I go left and came back, I realized, wait
a minute, I need this helping. These people are going
to help me if I open up. And you have
to open up. And a lot of people don't know how.
(20:57):
They don't know how. So we need these places for
that to teach us how to open up, to teach
us how to cope the teachers. You know, some people
don't even know how to get along with other people
on that state under the influence.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's a real thing, it is. And with being where
you are now, being where you've been, and you can
look back and I probably told you like you're going
to look back at this one day and be like, man,
you did you did you?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
When I first got here, you said You're gonna look
back and be like, wow, how did I do that?
You know? And this happened in two years? And in
two years, this is so crazy. You mean to tell
me I'm sober? You mean tell me I got my
own place.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
There's a place I know you could go to today
and get a job, right, you know, like and we're
trying to cain I can go to which career path
should choose? You know, Like it's just two years, isn't it? Yes, idiots,
Because when you first came through your fed, sat you down,
said this were you can be in two years. You
would say, how is all that? I'm like, Kim, this
(22:07):
is this is the things that are gonna be happening, right.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And it happens and and the best part of it,
it was happening so fast. And I remember you telling
me sometime you're just gonna just think about it and
tears come to your eyes, you know, And that was
that's really true. Tears just came to my eyes because
I was like, oh my goodness, why is this happening
(22:31):
to me? It's all happening, all good, and it was
happening back after back after back, Like wait a minute,
because you know, at a time you think you don't
deserve it, but when you put that work.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
In, then you're just look back and you're like, damn, man,
I've been through some ship and some ship, and man,
I made some good decisions in there. Because you look
back too, and there'll be that fork in the road.
You could have went left right and you stayed right. Man,
would have been easy to go left, and so like,
and so I don't knock other people something it's not
(23:05):
a funny thing. I think, let's get back up and
let's keep going, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You have to keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Where do we go from here?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And hopefully there was a lesson in there, because there
was a lesson every time for me. And I don't
know if I ran out or know, I just didn't
want to be that guy who killed somebody driving accident.
So that fear of being that guy is something that
motivated me. But it takes it's different for every everybody.
And you said it best, you know, when you can
figure out, like why is this going on? And when
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I was in treatment and I was like, wait, I
think I have abandonment issues, and you know, it started
really coming to me and was it the treatment center? No,
you know, there was some good stuff I learned there
from good people. They don't even work there anymore, so
you know, it is what it is. And that's the
same with all the treatment centers. People come and go,
and you know, like those therapists that are in treatment centers,
(23:54):
you're only going to see them maybe twenty eight days,
maybe two weeks, you know, maybe ninety days, But how
many times you really see them? How much can you
really unpack and they don't have you for a client
for the next year. They got you for that time.
I mean, how much time are they going to invest
in you? So like knowing what to share with them
is very important because when I first went in, I
was opening up Pandora's box and it was everything's coming out,
(24:15):
and then it was never closed. So like when I left,
I'm just like, oh my god, I remembered stuff that
I forgotten I buried and now it's out here and
I can't do nothing about it. And I go see
a therapist about it and they were like, oh no,
we can't treat you for that because you haven't been
sober for six months. You need to go see somebody else.
I'm like, I'm I me Kate, like this is where
I have to.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Go, like exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I was very confusing and very weird and I don't
even know where I'm going with this. Nowoon that r
I'm back to some dark places and I don't think
I'm eating right, So my brain's a little fucky.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You went back to dark got lost.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, I was back. Whatever I was saying it had
good point to it, and I appreciate you listening that
was the end of it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I went to a dark place at I thought so.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And it's topped. It just stopped right in the middle
of a sentence. It just stopped right then and.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
There, and we could stop it and go back and listen.
I can be like, oh, yeah, but that's no fun.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Nah, So my goodness.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So Kim, it's it's been a it's been a blast
having you here though, and being around and you know,
making those connections, which again is so so important and
early recovery, and you have to be in a place
where you're at now. I think it's very awesome. And
you know, I think the people that fund us, you know,
and it's not say hey, look at Kim, she's doing good.
But Kim, you are doing great.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But thank you, I mean, hey, thanks to you guys
for all the help. And to have somebody in your corner.
It's amazing. It's amazing what you can do when you
have somebody in your corner. Every time, anytime I needed
somebody that was here, you know, and you know, I
can't forgive them a way, Mitch do it? Did I
(26:03):
put him?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He's a few times, Kim, coach and training and you
didn't take the class through the car train, but you
know you still need to take the state stuff. But yeah,
so you know computers, you know, okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And I'm old. You know. This was like, oh my god.
It was like I need a raise. I need a raise.
Now wait a.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Minute, keep.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I can't keep doing this. I think I need another job.
I was a job by myself, wasn't I It was
so amazing. But you know one thing, y'all was still
y'all stuck with me. You know that's the best part.
You stuck with me. I can open up my computer now,
(26:53):
I can do my own tapping.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Telling Mitch Corey earlier that this is almost like a college,
because I was telling Corey to like learn how to
do sub lamation or whatever it's called, like put stuff
on T shirts. It was like, I don't know, Google
learn it. That's your jo. Have learned that. And then
I'm gonna say do you know how to do it?
And you can say yea, I'm gon okay, go make this.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And Mitch has learned so much, you know, and it's like, man,
you got this is a college. You get your credits
on the fifteenth and then the last day of the month,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Good.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, anytime you can get someone else to pay you
to learn stuff, it is good. Anyway, I'm gonna wrap
this up though today, but Kim, thanks for coming in.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was fun here.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They won't have you and again to get more detail
about some of the stuff. But you're doing good and
it's good to see people come through. You know, we
see a lot of the other stories, but it's nice
to see the good stories once a while. And yeah,
probably appreciate you. And if you have more, I'm Kim.
She's actually at two seventeen recovery dot com. Go to
(28:04):
the team and you'll see Kim Willie Hopkins and that's
repeat And if you have the app, you can see
her on there as well. Thanks for listening to the
two seventeen Recovery podcast. Listen to over nine hundred episodes
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It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Corey Winfield,
Corey Winfield, Corey, you have a rich person's name, like
you should be a billionaire with the name Winfield. Anyway,
call me back, bro, it is.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm Corey Winfield. This is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast
and have very special guests in the studio with me today,
Kim Hopkins, Kimberlee. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I am good? How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing all right? You're over there dancing, Yeah, so good.
We're gonna have a good podcast today, a because we're
doing one, of course. I mean, you got to do
one to have it be good. We haven't done one
so long and like done a really good one, seriously,
I mean, I guess we did, but it's just been
so long ago. Yeah, and it's just've been busy and
I don't want to get out of here and complain
(00:56):
about doing this or doing that or not. I just
want to talk to Kim Kim Lee Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So, Kim, yes, Corey.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Why don't you talk about where you're from? How'd you
grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well? I'm from Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, Southwest Detroit, I'm the
twelve out of thirteen children.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's a lot of kids, Kim, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But she did it very strong woman, Vera.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah. But we had a really good, a really good childhood.
You know, we was very close growing up. She was
the best cook ever. Yes, everybody used to come to
our house and eat everybody. My mother used to cook
for people too. Don't fall off from the tree.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, because a lot, Kim. And before we get into
more of your story, let's we should probably talk about
how I know you and all that good stuff. So, Kim,
I've known for a couple of years now, it seems like, right, yeah, Mo,
than couple more than two. Yeah, it's been a minute, right,
And you started coming to the two seventeen Recovery Center
(02:08):
and you come here for me. So you have a
mutual friend and he kind of introduced us to you
and you to us, and you know, we've kind of
helped you and you've helped us. You know, I mean,
this is great and the stuff that you do for
us is wonderful. I was just talking earlier because we're
planning for Recovery Stories Part six in July, and we
were talking about like, because we like to feed people
(02:29):
because there's something about like having a meal with people,
sitting down with someone. It could be strangers, but everybody
in the room is either in recovery or has a
tie to recovery because you're at recovery story, so like
to bond with people and people you don't know and
to have a meal and so it's really cool. So
we were thinking about that and then Marnie throws out like, hey,
Kim does this kind of thing, like this is what
Kim does, Like well, I always see if she'd be
(02:50):
interested in doing it, and it's like, oh okay, And
then we started kind of joking about like because whether
you wanted to have a catering business or not, you know,
I mean, this be just a one time thing whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Remember the first yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Going back to yeah, yes, And I.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Was like I got my first job.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And the people that gave us funding for this place,
you know it to allowed us to have this place.
Like I'm like, that's like they need to see Kim,
you know, like a person that started out using us
and then like helping us by volunteering and we wanted
to pay you and you're like hey, camp right now,
but but still like you volunteer here and like the
stuff that you're doing, and then now we're gonna probably
(03:29):
have you cater the food for the event, and it's like,
look how that comes full circle. And then just by
you volunteering for that very first recovery stories and then
Stewart seeing you and going hey, man, like this woman
is great, you know, and and Big Perm I think
it was too. It was like, hey, ma, I we
should hire her. And you got a job by volunteering,
(03:51):
Like if you'd have been like, nope, I don't feel
like doing that. And that's why I tell people all
the time, like if you just sit at your sit
at home on your couch and you wait for opportunity
to show up, it's not knocking, Like you have to
go out. You have to be in those places right right.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And I was there at the right place, right time,
you know. And I met the head the head chef Perm.
He was in the kitchen. Didn't even know that he
was the head chef. I didn't even know it. And
I was in there just a cooking doing and everything
I have to do, and he just a talk and
it then come out that it was his kitchen, and
I was like, thank you, chef for letting me come
(04:28):
in your kitchen, and we hit it off so good
and we were just laughing back there. Remember we was
laughing coming back and forth. And at the end of
the night he was like, hey, yeah, I'm coming to
pick you up Friday, and that was a job.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, and we were like, that is so cool and
we're so happy, Like the event went really well, you know,
we had that was the first one we ever did.
We did spaghetti, like we made it ourselves to serve
the people. Yeah, and we had salad and breaststakes and
all that stuff, and so it was a lot to do.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, but was so much fun and we did it.
We did and first one. And look how big it got.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Now how big is it now?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh wow? And how many people was here last time?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think it's many that could fit into the building
fire coding.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Because as I hear, standing room only, Yeah, it was
standing room only. And the very first one, if he
has seats, you know, just a couple of seats empty
and all and the n now everybody really wanted to
get the chance. Now we have you have people rapping, yeah,
saying the poems Gary everything, Gary did really good? Did
(05:40):
he really did.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And that's and that's something that I yeah, I'm gonna
say yeah to that. You know, even if he was bad,
I probably would have said yeah. I mean, I don't know,
like if somebody wants to get because it's what he
came up and he's like, hey, I want to perform.
Is it okay if I do a rap? And I
think he asked you or something or you said you know,
you should ask Corey and so he did and I
was like yeah, you know, he started like kind of
(06:02):
freestyle and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, you're good.
So yeah, absolutely, and it was fun and it's cool
to give people like that an opportunity of the outlet.
And I know that's what I need. That's what I
use this podcast for. You know. I needed that, like
I need to entertain, I need to talk because this
was my kind of like my therapy almost.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Saying people love this, Oh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Know if they love it. I love it and it
keeps me sober. So that's what I do. But for Gary,
he likes threatn and we talked about that rush you
get and I don't get it really anymore. But like
early on when I would have to go introduce people
on stage or be in an event from a bunch
of people.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
What about the event we did the U fail it
was you excited being a MC and then you get
your rush.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yet I mean it doesn't Yeah it was. I mean,
that's that's such an honor to do that, and I
kind of don't want to screw it up. So I
don't even think I said my name when I did
this last U FAM last month or whatever or a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm saying it. I know I kept walking by.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Corey, I know, but I don't think I said. It's
just like, all right, thanks, here's what we're doing. Thank God,
and people I was like, all right, let's go. But yeah,
I don't know, I don't I don't get the nerve
or I don't get that rush as much as it
used to.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And I don't know, you're so calmon used to it,
but you're just still love it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I still love it, And there is there is
a little bit of like getting up there and having
the mic. It's just it's fun. But at first it
will freak you out sometimes, you know. It did. Me
and Gary we talked about that, like, yeah, like just
to get that right, he said, he was a little
nervous when I got up there, But that's good. You
can you can be nervous, and it's actually normal to
be nervous. And when I wasn't nervous in front like
(07:41):
this time that you fam, I was like, why am
I not nervous? Like what was going on right? Which
I don't know what that means. But but it's.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
When it's something you love, like they say, and it's
really true. When you love it you're not working. You know,
it's something that just come easy to you, and it
feels so good to do it when you doing it.
You know, I love it when I'm cooking, I am
so it comes to me and it made me. I
want to make it look pretty. I want to make
(08:09):
it look good, and I wanted to taste good, you know,
And that's something I can do and I really appreciate
doing it. I'm glad I had that gift, you know,
so hey, so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's nice having because I have Marnie who's a great cook,
and then you so it's.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like bacon, Oh my gosh, she is so good.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
She's good. And I don't know why I'm fat. I
know that's a whole other conversation and we'll do this,
we'll do the whole Losing Weight podcast episode next.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But we're all going to be up here.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Jumping on the train. But with with your story thoughing
back to it, let's talk about So we talked about volunteering.
Let's talk about how you got to violence. So how
did you end up in Travers City volunteering at Recovery
Stories Message of Hope Part one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, I've a friend when I came here and I've
just got out of the rehab and I was in
a sober living and I was coming up here every day.
Every day I was coming up and I was like, yeah,
you know, I can cook, but I'm just up here
(09:20):
doing everything and doing all my meetings and everything. And
when I heard y'all speaking of this sorry, the event
that was about to happen, and I was just listening
like wow, oh okay, I wondering what I could I cook?
And I think they came up and I was like,
you know, I can cook. I went to school and
(09:42):
I am a chef. And you was like really, because
I guess you had to get to know me. We
had to get to learn each other because I was
coming up every day and you thought maybe when I
said you will see me every day, I know you
thought I was joking. You see I wasn't. Yeah, I
was here every day, I was even walking.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But in your defense, I mean, some people are like, wow,
like she's crazy, stalker or but we have a lot
of fun here, and at that time, it was it
was different, and we did have a lot of fun here.
I mean we have fun here now too, but it
was just it was different.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Then.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We were new, we were opening, we were trying new things,
and there's just kind of a new growing experience in
the community and just like learning people. And then you
come along and you're in sober living. I don't even
I don't know if they have a thing, but there's
like some some sober living sabits where you can even
have a job for the first sixty day or thirty days.
(10:37):
You know, like what are you what else are you
supposed to do? You know, are you just going to
sit at home and talk about and listen to or
listen to people talk about all the fun drugs they
used to do. Because there's one guy in every house
in the world, every sober living home, there's a guy
there is and yeah, there's that guy every house, even
in the women's houses, there's that guy. So what are
(11:01):
your options? You know, like, hey, it's right down the street,
might as well, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And one thing is you were so you was. I
mean to me, it is walking distance, which it is,
and I can come every day and I can do
something different every day, and then I can hear something
different and I can learn something different every day. And
that was important to me because I'm still learning different
things and things I didn't even know, you know, and
(11:29):
I'm learning and that was so cool to me, you know.
And then going places because at that time we was
going places. Were was going rock cunting, which I never did,
not that guy in the rock counting, you know, never,
you know, no I changed, you know. So it was
so it was so different, you know, and being around
(11:52):
one thing, being around people to have fun and sober.
That's what I never did. I never have fun sober
anytime I go fishing, anytime I'm cooking, anytime were playing
cards around a big group of people. I never was sober.
(12:13):
And this is just taught me how to have fun
and being sober. So that was important, and that's important
to people now they have to learn how to still
have fun, but they have to be stay sober.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Scary. Was it scary for you and think about that,
to think about how am I going to go fishing? Yeah,
without drinking a little summer, have a little something.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Right, because you always have your beer when you're drinking,
and you have your liquor. And it was really, it
was really scared. It was scared to come out and
talk to people without being with I mean, talk to
people being sober. Sometimes I have to have a drink,
you know, and then you laugh and joke and have fun.
(12:54):
Now I can have fun now and don't even drink.
I can talk to people and don't even drink when
I go fishing. I can fishing. I don't have to
have a drink. And it's pretty cool, you know, because
now hey, I can feel that hook in my finger.
I can feel oh yeah, so fun, you know, you know.
(13:15):
I mean, now it's a rush. It's a rush now,
you know, to get the hook stuck and just be
getting to fish up and everything. I had a ball,
I had a ball. I was so sore, but I
had a ball, you know, and I was sober. And
that was the ip pointing part. I was with my
brother and my sister in law down there and there
(13:36):
was like how you doing? They was, they were so shocked.
You know. I got up and when fishing came back,
I went around twice in the day came back. There
was like you want to eat? I eat when I
get back. You know, it was so cool and to
be around people like that is so cool that you
(13:57):
can be around people that they don't dream, no cussing,
no fussing, nobody arguing, and nobody trying to get over
on you, you know, and by us being in recovery, we
need to find people like that. We need to find
good people to be around. Once you find that one
person to be like, oh girl, come on, you can
(14:17):
have a drink, girl, come on, you can do That's over? Yeah,
you know it's over because I mean, it's sad. It's
sad that people want you to do be.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It, and it's sometimes it's not they want you to
do bad, but they just say that misery loves company
and m you know, and especially if people are in
you know, early recovery several living houses with other people
like let's go do it together because it's gonna make
me not feel bad about it, and I'll justify it
to you, and you can give me your story and
I'll justify it and we'll be all good. And here's
(14:49):
the reasons why we did it. And it's because this
and that, and it was an incident in talent that
just happened. And I was talking to somebody about it
the other day and these people, I guess we're left
at the same place or something. And person wasn't real
happy about it, and anyway went out to start doing
drugs and stuff again. And that was well, because I
(15:13):
was mad. We'll use anything as an excuse, you know,
Like I mean, like, there's a lot of bad things happening,
and it's not because of our what we do or
anybody's fault. But with the recovery community right now, there's
a lot of funding being pulled because people don't need
help anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Or something, but we still need help.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
We're good or something.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
No, no, no, something.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, it would be a good way to get rid
of poor people in middle class because rich people can
send their kids to private facilities, but middle class and
lower class going now, even if you have insurance, okay,
do you have ten grand to pay the okay, probably
(16:05):
maybe maybe forty, maybe more, I don't know. Okay, what
about those other Okay, let's say sixty percent? Then okay,
they don't have it, so what's happening to them? And
then if they lose their job and then my medicaid
wait what oh Medicaid's getting cut and all this funding
like I've been hearing bad thanks man, and it's not
good and this is unacceptable for me, So we have
to do something about it. I'll just stay tuned. But
(16:29):
I have a son now, soap, so so I'm not
going to sit back and let the people that are
taking my money from my check before I even get
it tell me that my if my son has this
problem one day that he can't go get help.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You see, you see, yeah, and we need to. This
is such a good community up here, you know, of
recovery people, and they really want to help and we
have to stick together and they do so, I mean
that's the best part that they find. It's really fine
(17:14):
for them.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But your average person, the one that's out there voting
for whoever they're voting for, I don't know, you know,
And this is where they kind of sidetrack people. Hey,
what is it one percent. Okay, maybe if it's two,
what if it's three. I don't care the percent, but
I'm just throwing it out there because they'll do this.
(17:36):
They'll take an issue that affects one percent of the
whole world and make it this big thing. And you know,
this is somebody's right to be a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, cool, great, how about we focus on something like
but then you get the people that are like, hey,
I want to be that. Like I'm saying, go be that.
That's fine, but let's really worry about the real issues.
You know, like more people are dying every day because
they're not getting to treat me because they're not getting
the proper treat treatment being sent through McDonald's. The This
(18:06):
just pisses me off and it needs to change. Yeah,
because and I don't know how people sit back and
let it happen. Like I'm somebody's kid. You're somebody's kid,
you know, like everybody in this building, everybody in this
world is somebody's kid, and the parents aren't going wait wait, wait, wait,
hold on. What So you're putting a commercial in every
stop set, in a TV program and it's gonna have gambling.
(18:28):
It's gonna have liquor, gonna have something, you know. I
mean the kids shows probably not know now that they
want to sell some toys, so they'll go with that.
But that's what they're trying to tell you. So they're
taking the money, they're reaping the benefits, and then when
people need help, they're like, no, kick you like a dog.
And I and the whole Michigan things saying, well, federals
taking our money, and you know what, we get a
(18:48):
lot of money through the syntax. And I'm talking about alcohol,
I'm talking about tobacco, I'm talking about weed, I'm talking
about all of it. Gambling, we could take care of people.
And the fact that if somebody writes now wants to
go home to treatment for gambling, if you want to go, kim, sorry,
we're just gonna We're gonna have somebody to call you
in a couple of weeks if she has time, because
(19:09):
there's not anybody doing it.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And that's when we need help because a lot of
people still need help. A lot of people still need help,
you know, and a lot of people it's scaring a
lot of people, you know, people are leaving, people are
wanting this is an excuse for a lot of people
to get high. Yeah, you know, they're going out and
(19:30):
they leaving, and they're doing this because they're afraid. Wow,
wait a minute, we can't go get help. Now, I
know it sounds crazy, but they can't go get help,
so what else can they do? And this help is
teaching us how we can cope with things like this.
You know, I'm so fortunately. I'm very fortunate that I
(19:51):
got help and I learned how to cope with certain issues.
And that's what we need to learn how to do.
And we need these houses. We we need these programs
because people need to learn how to cope with it.
You know why I'm out here doing this? Why am
I keep going out drinking? I'm drinking every day? Why?
(20:12):
There's a reason why. And these these places is helping
us find out the reason why. But you know what,
we also have to want it. We have to want
to change and we have to do like this. Like
I remember a time when you used to tell me, Kim,
you have to work the program. You have to do it.
If you really want to, you can do it, you know.
(20:34):
And when I first went, I really didn't. I really
didn't work. And you know, it didn't bother me. But
when I go left and came back, I realized, wait
a minute, I need this helping. These people are going
to help me if I open up. And you have
to open up. And a lot of people don't know how.
(20:57):
They don't know how. So we need these places for
that to teach us how to open up, to teach
us how to cope the teachers. You know, some people
don't even know how to get along with other people
on that state under the influence.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's a real thing, it is. And with being where
you are now, being where you've been, and you can
look back and I probably told you like you're going
to look back at this one day and be like, man,
you did you did you?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
When I first got here, you said You're gonna look
back and be like, wow, how did I do that?
You know? And this happened in two years? And in
two years, this is so crazy. You mean to tell
me I'm sober? You mean tell me I got my
own place.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
There's a place I know you could go to today
and get a job, right, you know, like and we're
trying to cain I can go to which career path
should choose? You know, Like it's just two years, isn't it? Yes, idiots,
Because when you first came through your fed, sat you down,
said this were you can be in two years. You
would say, how is all that? I'm like, Kim, this
(22:07):
is this is the things that are gonna be happening, right.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And it happens and and the best part of it,
it was happening so fast. And I remember you telling
me sometime you're just gonna just think about it and
tears come to your eyes, you know, And that was
that's really true. Tears just came to my eyes because
I was like, oh my goodness, why is this happening
(22:31):
to me? It's all happening, all good, and it was
happening back after back after back, Like wait a minute,
because you know, at a time you think you don't
deserve it, but when you put that work.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
In, then you're just look back and you're like, damn, man,
I've been through some ship and some ship, and man,
I made some good decisions in there. Because you look
back too, and there'll be that fork in the road.
You could have went left right and you stayed right. Man,
would have been easy to go left, and so like,
and so I don't knock other people something it's not
(23:05):
a funny thing. I think, let's get back up and
let's keep going, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You have to keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Where do we go from here?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
And hopefully there was a lesson in there, because there
was a lesson every time for me. And I don't
know if I ran out or know, I just didn't
want to be that guy who killed somebody driving accident.
So that fear of being that guy is something that
motivated me. But it takes it's different for every everybody.
And you said it best, you know, when you can
figure out, like why is this going on? And when
(23:32):
I was in treatment and I was like, wait, I
think I have abandonment issues, and you know, it started
really coming to me and was it the treatment center? No,
you know, there was some good stuff I learned there
from good people. They don't even work there anymore, so
you know, it is what it is. And that's the
same with all the treatment centers. People come and go,
and you know, like those therapists that are in treatment centers,
(23:54):
you're only going to see them maybe twenty eight days,
maybe two weeks, you know, maybe ninety days, But how
many times you really see them? How much can you
really unpack and they don't have you for a client
for the next year. They got you for that time.
I mean, how much time are they going to invest
in you? So like knowing what to share with them
is very important because when I first went in, I
was opening up Pandora's box and it was everything's coming out,
(24:15):
and then it was never closed. So like when I left,
I'm just like, oh my god, I remembered stuff that
I forgotten I buried and now it's out here and
I can't do nothing about it. And I go see
a therapist about it and they were like, oh no,
we can't treat you for that because you haven't been
sober for six months. You need to go see somebody else.
I'm like, I'm I me Kate, like this is where
I have to.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Go, like exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I was very confusing and very weird and I don't
even know where I'm going with this. Nowoon that r
I'm back to some dark places and I don't think
I'm eating right, So my brain's a little fucky.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You went back to dark got lost.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, I was back. Whatever I was saying it had
good point to it, and I appreciate you listening that
was the end of it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I went to a dark place at I thought so.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And it's topped. It just stopped right in the middle
of a sentence. It just stopped right then and.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
There, and we could stop it and go back and listen.
I can be like, oh, yeah, but that's no fun.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Nah, So my goodness.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So Kim, it's it's been a it's been a blast
having you here though, and being around and you know,
making those connections, which again is so so important and
early recovery, and you have to be in a place
where you're at now. I think it's very awesome. And
you know, I think the people that fund us, you know,
and it's not say hey, look at Kim, she's doing good.
But Kim, you are doing great.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But thank you, I mean, hey, thanks to you guys
for all the help. And to have somebody in your corner.
It's amazing. It's amazing what you can do when you
have somebody in your corner. Every time, anytime I needed
somebody that was here, you know, and you know, I
can't forgive them a way, Mitch do it? Did I
(26:03):
put him?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He's a few times, Kim, coach and training and you
didn't take the class through the car train, but you
know you still need to take the state stuff. But yeah,
so you know computers, you know, okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And I'm old. You know. This was like, oh my god.
It was like I need a raise. I need a raise.
Now wait a.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Minute, keep.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I can't keep doing this. I think I need another job.
I was a job by myself, wasn't I It was
so amazing. But you know one thing, y'all was still
y'all stuck with me. You know that's the best part.
You stuck with me. I can open up my computer now,
(26:53):
I can do my own tapping.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Telling Mitch Corey earlier that this is almost like a college,
because I was telling Corey to like learn how to
do sub lamation or whatever it's called, like put stuff
on T shirts. It was like, I don't know, Google
learn it. That's your jo. Have learned that. And then
I'm gonna say do you know how to do it?
And you can say yea, I'm gon okay, go make this.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And Mitch has learned so much, you know, and it's like, man,
you got this is a college. You get your credits
on the fifteenth and then the last day of the month,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Good.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, anytime you can get someone else to pay you
to learn stuff, it is good. Anyway, I'm gonna wrap
this up though today, but Kim, thanks for coming in.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was fun here.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
They won't have you and again to get more detail
about some of the stuff. But you're doing good and
it's good to see people come through. You know, we
see a lot of the other stories, but it's nice
to see the good stories once a while. And yeah,
probably appreciate you. And if you have more, I'm Kim.
She's actually at two seventeen recovery dot com. Go to
(28:04):
the team and you'll see Kim Willie Hopkins and that's
repeat And if you have the app, you can see
her on there as well. Thanks for listening to the
two seventeen Recovery podcast. Listen to over nine hundred episodes
on the two seventeen Recovery app that's free in your
app store or online at two seventeen recovery dot com.
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