November 17, 2022 • 52 mins
Jennifer Moore holds a Master’s Degree in Psychology & Religion, and is an Accredited Master Trainer for EFT International, as well as a bestselling author. Today Jen will help you to determine if you really are an empath and give you some hints about how to manage everyday life in this situation. We also talk about EFT - or tapping - and its wonderful benefits in re-setting the nervous system.
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Arwen Bardsley (00:00):
Welcome, everyone. Delighted to be back
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here again with another episodeof the five star wellbeing
podcast. And welcome to everyonewho's watching on video as well.
I've got another wonderful guestfor you today Best Selling
Author Jennifer Moore. Jenniferholds a master's degree in
psychology and religion. She'salso an accredited master
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trainer for EFT International,and founder of the empathic
mastery Academy. Jen supportsother highly sensitive intuitive
women to release empathicoverwhelm, and distress so they
can access access their innerwisdom and power. Jen spoke
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empathic mastery is an AmazonBest Seller. And she also hosts
her own podcast called TheEmpathic mastery show. So
welcome, Jen. I love to startwith just a bit of background
about you so we can understandhow you got to be where you are
today doing what you're doingtoday.
Jennifer Moore (01:13):
Okay, well, thank you so much for having me.
Arwen I'm really excited to behere. Ah, so where do we even
begin, I guess what I would sayis we start at the very
beginning, I was bornI was born into a pretty normal
or average, you know, whiteAmerican family, sort of the
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classic, suburban America withthe like, I mean, we didn't have
a white picket fence, weactually had a split rail fence
with, like, pink roses growingin front of it. But, but we had,
but we you know, but I grew upbasically with like, you know,
two parents and, and, and likethe dog, and eventually we got
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rid of the dog, and we got cats,and they had a brother and a
sister. And life was just like,really sort of your classic
American childhood, except thatI was not your classic American
child. And from the time I wasreally little, I kind of knew I
was different. I was moresensitive than most other kids
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were, I was constantly beingcalled a chatterbox. Because I
was very verbal, even as a very,very little child. But I also
was being told that I was toosensitive that I was
overreacting that I was takingthings too personally. And then
I just needed to develop atougher skin. And the even the
children could really see orrecognize that there was you
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know that I was a little bitdifferent that I was an outlier.
So I really related to I don'tknow if you guys have Rudolph
the red nosed reindeer inAustralia, but I really related
to Rudolph like I was an end tobeing like, into the misfit toys
and toys like I knew that I wasdifferent. And I also was really
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fascinated by all thingsmagical. Like even as a very,
very small child, I, you know,was like my favorite TV shows
were like beWitched. And I Dreamof Jeannie, which is dating me
for sure. But like I was, youknow, I just like the sense of
possibility, the sense of magicthat really excited me. And so,
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by the age of nine, I had myfirst prophetic dream where I
dreamed that the night that myvery first best friend's mother
died, I dreamed my own motherdied, which is very much the way
an empath experiences things,because I'll sort of jump ahead
in the sense that, as youmentioned in the bio, my work is
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all about empaths, and all aboutall things Empath and what it
means to be that. And so beforeI go any further, I'll just say
that my definition of Empath,because different people have
slightly different definitionsis that an empath is a being who
picks up the thoughts, thefeelings, the energy, the
sensations from the world aroundthem. But unlike an intuitive, a
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psychic medium channel, whoknows that they're picking up
information and receiving it,and recognizing that it's not
theirs? Empaths experience allthe information through their
own felt sense through their ownfilters. And so they process
information as if it's theirown. And so the challenge with
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being highly sensitive andempathic is that instead of it
being, oh, I'm sensing sadnessin the world around me. It's, I
feel incredibly sad. Or, in thecase of this prophetic dream, I
didn't dream about my Myfriend's mother dying, I dreamed
my own mother died. And sowhat's hard about this is that
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in a culture that does not ownits feelings, which there's a
fair bit of compartmentalizingand stuffing down emotions, in
western civilization, whathappens is the feedback you get
from a very early age is not Oh,my goodness, you're picking up
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on my sadness, it's paying noattention to the man behind the
curtain. There's nothing goingon here. You're just making this
stuff up. And you're beingyou're just overreacting,
there's, you know, like,basically nothing to see here,
move along, folks. And so forme, I was picking up stuff from
a very, very, very early age.
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But I wasn't getting anyvalidation that this was what
was going on. And so the onlyconclusion that I could possibly
form was that there wassomething wrong with me, and
that I needed to toughen up thatI needed to fix myself that I
needed to be a different kind ofperson. And that, obviously, I
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was just, you know, thissensitivity had nothing to do
with anything else outside ofme, therefore, like I needed to
deal with what was going on withme. And so as you might imagine,
this is really hard and reallystressful. And so within, by the
time I was like, in early atween, and in early adolescence,
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I was finding ways to selfsoothe primarily with sugar, and
books. And so I would dive intoa book or I would basically like
turn to food, especially, butlike I said, especially sugar
and sweet things, to try to getsome kind of sense of relief.
But while books certainly are agreat escape mechanism, you can
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only read so many books. Sugar,on the other hand, is definitely
not a very good thing for selfsoothing. And so I was finding
myself not able to control myemotions, feeling more and more
emotionally unstable andanxious. And really spinning out
with a lot of body image issueswith a lot of like, not being
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able to control my foodcravings, and yet feeling
incredibly guilty about it, andjust really in a state of
distress. And so by the time Iwas basically in my early 20s, I
landed in a therapists office,who happened to be a really
gifted therapist, she was not myfirst therapist, I saw some not
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so great therapists. And ifanybody is considering working
with a psychotherapist, what Iwould absolutely say is fit
really matters. And you may haveto try a few people. But I ended
up with this amazing therapistwho happened to be intuitive,
and very psychic. And who wasthe first person who started to
help me recognize that so muchof the time, what I was feeling
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was as a direct result ofsomething that was going on in
the world around me, and itwasn't just mine. And the thing
is that if you're trying to fixwhat is, you know, if you're
trying to fix something, and theonly answer you have is that
it's something inside of you,but it's not inside of you.
There's only so much you can doto deal with that until you can
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identify that it's that you'reactually absorbing the energy
from the outside world. So Iknow long, long answer, but a
lot of lot lot to the story forsure.
Arwen Bardsley (08:46):
And so this therapist helped you to realize
that, you know, wasn't somethingwrong with you,
Jennifer Moore (08:54):
right? She I mean, if so often. And I mean, I
spent years working with this. Imean, she was an amazing woman,
and I spent years working withher. And it was like, like, at
first like I was just coming toher trying to figure out like
how to make me better, or how tomake me less, you no less
distressed, less anxious. And itwas like it was such an
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incredible relief, though, tohave somebody who was able to
help me see how so frequently,if I was coming to her in a
state of distress or feeling outof sorts and feeling like
worried or wonky. It was afteran encounter with somebody else,
after some kind of thing hadhappened. And so she was the
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person who started to help me tolike, unpack the the baggage and
sort of pull apart the puzzleand look at the pieces and go,
Oh, I was fine. And then I hadthis encounter with this person
who was really upset anddistressed about something and
then I was upset and distressed.
And she was the first person Wholike helped me to start grasping
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how porous and emotionallysensitive I was to other
people's stuff. I didn't fullyunderstand the ramifications of
what all of that meant. At thatpoint in my life like it has
been definitely a journey toreally understand just how
profoundly being an empath canaffect pretty much every aspect
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of life. But she was the firstperson who started to help me to
like, recognize when I wasfeeling something and whether it
was actually mine or not. And Iwould say that most of the time,
if the distress was kind oflike, Amplified, that it was not
just mine. And I'll actually goout on a limb and say, it just
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sort of this realization is I'mtalking because I don't think
I've ever said this before. ButI actually think that when the
thing about empathic distress isthat there's something very
disconcerting about it, becauseyou can't identify the source in
the same way. And I know thatwhen something is going on, in
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the world around me, or, orlike, like, going on for me
about some circumstance orsomething going on, I could be
feeling very distressed, I couldbe feeling very anxious, I could
be feeling very angry, I couldbe feeling very sad. Like, I
could be feeling any number ofemotions, but I know they're
mine. And I know why I'm feelingthem. And so even if it's
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uncomfortable, there isn't thisfeeling of uneasiness about it?
Like, it's just kind of like,oh, this is just how I'm
feeling. Whereas when I'mfeeling picking up on the
distress from the world aroundme, part of what makes it extra
uncomfortable, is the fact thatit's very hard to identify the
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reason why I'm feeling this way.
I feel like there's a sort oflike, why, like, there's no
reason I should be feeling thisway. Why am I feeling this way.
And I actually find that this ispretty much a dead giveaway,
that what I'm experiencing issomething that's coming from
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more than myself, if I cannotcorrelate it with anything. Now,
I will say that knowing oneselfand knowing one's history, is a
very important part of thatdiscernment. Because if we have
a lot of skeletons in the closetand have not dealt with our
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trauma, then we can gettriggered by things that are
lurking under the surface, andit can feel like it's coming
from the outside world. But ifyou've done enough of like,
after a certain point where youkind of know what's under the
hood, and you're still havingthese sort of like feelings,
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feeling gripped with terror, forno reason whatsoever, in my
experience, that is generallybecause because I or you know,
you are the listener is pickingup on empathic distress.
Arwen Bardsley (13:16):
Thank you for that. That's a really good way
to for people to helpDifferentiate,.
Jennifer Moore (13:21):
differentiate.
Yeah.
Arwen Bardsley (13:24):
But so when you had that prophetic, prophetic
dream, when you were a littlegirl, what what response did you
get from your family? Or, youknow, did you tell anyone?
Jennifer Moore (13:36):
I was so talkative, I am sure I told
people and I'm just trying tothink of, you know, so like, I
got, I have the dream. And Idon't think I had and I think
like life was going on. So like,I went through my day, and I had
like, the worst day of my nineyear old life, like I was really
the client, I was justverklempt. I was like,
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heartbroken and bereft and justreally feeling absolutely awful,
because my friend, I'm sure whoI hadn't seen in a couple of
years, because she was livinglike, I grew up in
Massachusetts, but her familyhad moved to upstate New York.
And so they lived like a goodlike, five, six hours away from
us by car. So it wasn't like Isaw her at all. But, um, but I
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but I was connect I still wasconnected to her. So I had this
I had just the most emotionalday of my nine year old life.
And at the end of the day, mymom was just sort of announced
to us at the dinner table thatmy friend's mom had died of
breast cancer that night. And Iknew I just knew, but I'm trying
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to think of like I grew up witha family of self identified like
agnostics and atheists. And wellmy mom's family was very like
was was practicing IrishCatholics. My dad's family were
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sort of intellectual agnosticslike they sort of like, like did
lip service to church, butreally, like my father was not
raised, was not raised in apracticing religion, like his
parents were intellectuals,which is pretty spectacular
because my dad was born in themid 30s. And so my grandparents
were, like, really outside ofthe box in terms of like
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American culture, like peoplewent to church when my father
was a kid, and he didn't. But mymom had left the church when the
Catholic Church when she was inher early 20s, before I was
born. And so as a result, myparents did not have any faith,
any kind of faith practice orfaith or belief. And they
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weren't. So they, their theirreligion was science, their
religion was intellect, theirreligion was rationality. And
so, I, I got a lot of, there'sno such thing as magic. There's
no such thing as God, there's nosuch thing as these kinds of
things. But somehow, that thatextrasensory perception stuff
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was a little bit outside ofoutside of that, that x that
area. And so, I believe, like,at my mom, she actually was the
person who said, you know, I wasreading an article about this
thing called ESP. And I mean, Istill remember when she told I
was like, nine, so it was aroundthe same age. And I just
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remember, like, it feels like,like, when I hear the word ESP,
it's like, it feels like it waslike, the, the words are just
reverberating like in my head,like E S. P. And that, for me,
was like, just like that was oneof the clues that I needed to
understand myself. So I think mymom kind of got it because my
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mom also was very intuitive. AndI like there's a story about my
great grandmother.
On the night that one of hersons went overboard at sea,
because I come from my mom'sside of the family. We're all
like Irish, you know, like theywere like fishermen from Nova
Scotia, Canada. And, and so whenone of my uncle's went over
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overboard and died at sea, heappeared at the foot at the bed
at the, at the, at the bed of mygrandma, my great grandmother,
and basically to say goodbye,like he was standing the foot of
her bed, woke her up and waslike, I love you. I'm good. Bye
bye. So I come from people whohave abilities, and my mom has
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abilities, but my mom was alsojust kind of like really did a
bit of throwing the baby outwith the bathwater. So I got a
lot of very conflictedinformation, like sort of like
yes, no, yes, no coming from mymom. And my, my dad's side of
the family, and particularly mygrandmother thought all of this
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stuff was hooey. And so I grewup with a fair bit of
skepticism, and a fair bit oflike, you know, prove it kind of
energy coming. And that wassomething that I, unfortunately,
manifested repeatedly inrelationships with very
skeptical atheist partners who,like, had no and who basically
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were kind of like, yes, sure,that's what you're saying. And
so I've really had to, I see itas in many ways, I mean, it was,
it was hard, growing up withthat kind of negation, and that
kind of invalidation. But I alsoreally appreciate the fact that
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I'm comfortable speaking toskepticism. And I'm also
comfortable acknowledgingskepticism and acknowledging
that something can really seemreally weird, in a way that if I
had just grown up around peoplewho just accepted it, I might
not have as much willingness tosort of create a bridge between
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sort of Woo and practicality.
And a big part of the work thatI I've been able to do is really
learn how to kind of have boththe Woo and the practicality and
sort of at least a nod to thescientific side of things.
Arwen Bardsley (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you probably
couldn't be doing what you do.
Now, if you didn't understandboth sides.
Jennifer Moore (19:44):
Right, right. I mean, I could certainly continue
to do the intuitive and thepsychic work in everything but
having it grounded in likeunderstanding the basics of
neuroscience, like understandingthe basics of like, you know,
the vagus nerve and how Thesethings work makes it a lot
easier. But it also makes it alot more accessible because some
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people want to understand thingsfrom an energetic standpoint.
Some people want to understandthings more from a physiological
standpoint. And I think it'sreally, it's really helpful to
have enough to have more thanone perspective of the world so
that you can communicate withpeople who have different
perspectives than you do.
Arwen Bardsley (20:25):
Yeah, yeah. I think yeah. But working with
people who are trying tounderstand how to protect
themselves as empaths.
Yeah, I think it's verybeneficial that you've got that,
that big, that big view of, ofhow other people might see them
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and understand what they'regoing through or not understand.
Yeah, I think that's really,that's really great that you've
got that background.
Jennifer Moore (36:01):
Emotional Freedom Technique, or tapping as
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it is quite a bit. But I didthink to myself, there may be a
number of people who arelistening who don't actually
know what that is. Yeah, give usa 101 on that.
Okay, so EFT stands forEmotional Freedom Techniques.
And the simplest way to describeit is that it's kind of like a
form of mental emotionalacupuncture without the needles.
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And what we do is we think aboutan issue, something that's going
on for us, maybe it's a physicalpain, maybe it's a craving,
maybe it's a memory, maybe it'sa limiting belief, like I was
working with doing some workwith my mentees the other day,
and we came up against a reallyold belief, which is basically,
the only way to get anythingdone is if you work hard with
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you know, if you're disciplinedand you work hard, like period,
that's the only way thatanything is ever the only way
you're ever going to succeed.
And so when it comes to EFT wesort of identify either the
general sense of something orthe very precise issue that is
going on. And then what we do iswe tap on a series of
acupressure points oracupuncture points on our body.
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Usually they're sort of theendpoints of meridians. And we
tap on either our hands, or headand our torso mostly, while we
will usually be speaking, usingvery like using a formula that's
generally very simplified. Soinstead of, it can it is
possible to just kind of liketap and talk. But to really
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address and clear things, it'sgenerally more effective if we
focus very precisely on onespecific thing. And so, I've
personally just witnessedabsolute miracles with this. I
will also say that on firstglance, tapping can look really
weird. And if you are vain, likeI am, when I first started doing
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it, I really didn't want to looklike a monkey. Like I really was
kind of like, this looks reallyweird. Like people are gonna
think I'm really weird. I nowhave gotten so used to doing it.
And I also have experienced somuch relief, that I'm very
comfortable doing it because thething about tapping, is that
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what it and it's I don'tnecessarily understand the exact
mechanism of why this does this.
But what tapping does is itcalms down our nervous system it
re regulates allows us toreregulate our vagus nerve,
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vagus, the vagus nerve, but italso reboots the amygdala which
is the fight or flight mechanismin our brain And we live in a
culture like, up until maybe theindustrial revolution where
people started to have thesesedentary lives and experiences.
As a species, we have beenactive. And mammals are
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generally made to basically likethe way that adrenaline and
stress hormones work. And theamygdala, which controls our
fight or flight mechanism worksis that what happens for us is
that we get this surge ofadrenaline, and it gives us the
energy to either fight or flee.
But if we don't have any otheroption, we will often freeze or
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flop or fawn, which is much morecommon with women. But the thing
is, when we either fight orflee, we exert enough energy
that we like shake off the the,the extra energy, and we sort of
burn off the extra adrenaline.
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And so what happens is whenwe're sort of out of harm's way,
and the energy, like the effortwe've made is kind of like
subsided, the amygdala goes backto normal, like the sort of like
the flap the trapdoor closes.
But because we're living in aculture where most threats are
existential, as opposed to like,there's no saber toothed Tiger
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that's chasing us. Now, it's atext from our boss. And so we do
not exert any effort to shiftit. And what happens is we stay
in these perpetual states ofcyclical stress, that keep
reinforcing itself. And so manyof us are in this state where
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our amygdala, which is the partof our brain, that is signaling
stress to us, stays in thisstate of like stress, stress,
stress, stress, stress, whichthen causes our adrenal systems
and like the, you know, ourstress hormones to pump out more
cortisol and adrenaline, whichthen gets us in this state of
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just like this, this tape loopof constant stress. So the
beautiful, beautiful thing aboutEFT is that it allows our
nervous system, our alarm systemand the amygdala in our brain to
stand down and to stop signalingdanger, when we are not when you
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know when we are physically notin danger. And amazingly, it
also really allows us torepattern the way that we
perceive things that frequentlywhen we tap on something where
we might have been frozen inamber with a memory from the
time we were like toddlers, wecan tap on it and loosen it and
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see it and which allows us tosee it in a new way. Because a
lot of times the conclusionsthat we form about life as two
year olds, or four year olds, orsix year olds or nine year olds,
is not accurate. But that partof us gets locked in the
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distress and sort of stays inthat place. And often will be
informing our sense of anythingthat even remotely resembles
that experience. So that's anexplanation for EFT.
Arwen Bardsley (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, it kind of at interrupt. It's you
know, you're obviously workingwith energy because we're
tapping on acupressure points.
So it interrupts the signalingand the energy and, yeah,
Jennifer Moore (43:42):
well, and Gary Craig, who's the founder of EFT
the person who created the basicrecipe and came up with you
know, sort of like a lot of whatwe understand about EFT today,
he referred to it is like energydisruptions in the energy field
and that what he believed isthat all distress is as a result
of basically like energeticcongestion, or I use the word
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congestion. He calls them zits,like, but basically like these
places where we have these kindof like, short circuits in the
energy system. And that bytapping on the acupuncture
points, I almost think of it aslike an ultrasonic cleaner. By
tapping on the energy points andtapping on the sequence of our
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acupuncture meridians, what weare doing is we are actually
kind of clearing the energystreams that are running through
us. And that is then allowingthose places where we are
emotionally and mentallycongested to dissipate to expand
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to open up, which then allows usto perceive things in a whole
new way.
Arwen Bardsley (44:52):
Yeah, yeah. And so you do that. So all your work
is remote now
Jennifer Moore (45:00):
Yeah, all of my work is remote right now. Yeah,
I, eventually I might be able tobecause I mean, I have this
beautiful space that I builtright before everything started
that has an and I built itimmediately I was guided by
spirit. And so the space isexactly what it's supposed to be
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like, there's an entire upstairsloft that was designed for
trainings and teachings andceremony and rituals. And before
we had to go into lockdown, andeverything kind of went sideways
here in the US, really on theentire planet. I was having,
like, like, like I was bringingin sound bowl like crystal bowl,
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sound healing, amaze, like, justamazing things were already
starting to happen in the space.
And I know that when it is time,the space will be ready for live
events as well. Butinterestingly, I actually
probably when it comes to likeone on one work, and it comes to
ongoing courses, that willremain virtual, because I
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really, really love workingvirtually. And what I've also
found is that where it feels tome, like often people who are
more neurotypical, and maybe,quote, muggles, unquote, will
have a much hard seem to have amuch harder time with Zoom and
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with virtual connecting, thanthose of us who are highly
sensitive, and, you know,intuitive, tell us, you know,
telepathic empathic. And so whatI've noticed is that a lot of us
who have more of the sort ofpsychic or senses, you know,
sensitivity, we enter into thesespaces with each other, and we
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share energy, you know, outsideof time and space. And that
allows us to connect in a way,but it also allows us to not be
picking up the static of the ofthe physical body in our
presence, and sometimes the,like, the physical distractions
of being in the presence ofanother person. Whereas for your
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average person, what I've seenis that, if you're not able to
pick up on the energy, thenyou're over compensating, by
trying to follow visual cues inthis little thumbnail in front
of you on your computer screen,and trying to catch the auditory
cues of the tone of voice andthings like that, but missing a
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lot of that information. Whereasfor those of us who are
sensitives, I actually thinkthat working virtually, in some
ways is actually more effortlessthan working in person, because
there's less of the physicaldistractions, that can really be
like, overwhelming for somebodywho's really super sensitive,
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like I am.
Arwen Bardsley (47:58):
Yeah, no, I can understand that. I mean, I've
certainly taken part in ritualsand things during COVID, that
we're all online and feelamazing connections and, you
know, amazing just sensations ofenergy, even though and you're
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probably right about thephysical, you know, distraction
of being, being in the samespace with other people can can
play a part, my only thing isthe whole, you know, the whole
electronics, you know, being onthe internet all the time is
just, yeah, that, you know, kindof exhausting. You know, I know,
I'm getting all that electronicstuff as well,
Jennifer Moore (48:43):
that Yeah, well, and I think that being really
mindful of what our personallimits are being really mindful
of eye strain, being reallymindful of like, even things
like just our you like color,you know, I'm in an Amber Room.
And I really think that like thequality of light makes a huge
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difference in terms of how weare processing things. You know,
and that's something just ingeneral, I would say for myself,
that has been a really biglesson over the last three
years, has been about the choiceto curate my reality. And I
don't mean like bypass and justignore things that are going on.
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But I do mean making a veryconscious choice about what are
the things that I have thecapacity to process and that I
have the capacity to understandwhat is my jurisdiction what is
not mine, like what are youknow, and not necessarily just
engaging in things? Because forthe sake like, like just being
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mindful, like for example, therewere periods of time, especially
at the beginning of thepandemic, where I was picking up
so much Anxiety from the worldaround us that I had to really,
really dial back on anythingviolent on television. And so I
needed to be really cautiousabout the amount of news that I
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was exposing myself to on aweekly basis, I needed to be
really cautious about any kindof program that involves loud
noises or violent you know,like, it's like violence and
cruelty. And I ended up goingthrough a period where like, all
I could really tolerate was GoodWitch, like I was watching,
which is this very, very sweetHallmark series about this
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woman, Cassie Nightingale who'slike a healer and an intuitive,
and it's so mild, like, it'sjust so mild. And that was what
I can tolerate was mildness. AndI think that, that in a way,
it's like, whether it's EMFs,whether it's television, whether
it is exposure to crowds, likewhatever it is, that it's very
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important to be aware of, whatcan we what is good for our
system? What can we tolerate?
What can we, what can we workwith? I will say, personally, I
feel incredibly grateful that Ifeel actually very calibrated to
computers, and to the internet.
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And so I don't experiencecomputers and internet as being
energetically disruptive to mysystem, driving under high
tension wires, on the otherhand, that makes my skin crawl.
But, but it's almost like mybody, like in the same way that
sometimes if like, you'd canjust sort of like, let your body
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know that something is coming,we can kind of adapt to it, I
find that my system is fairlywell adapted to computers. If
anything, I notice that when I'maway from computers for a
fairly, you know, if I'm sort ofoff grid for a period of time,
it takes my nervous system acouple of days to kind of
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decompress and calm down andrelax, because it is so
stimulating. So I would say forme it's not harmful, as much as
it is energizing andstimulating.
Arwen Bardsley (52:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, everyone'sdifferent, aren't they? Yeah. So
you better tell us about? Yeah,I guess, you know, my question
would be well, well, who shouldwork with you? What what do you
offer people other than whatyou've already told us, and just
a bit about your book and yourpodcast as well, before we
finish
Jennifer Moore (52:39):
awesome. So I guess I'll start with talking
about the book. And the book is,in some ways, a really good
place to as well as the podcastare both really good ways to get
a sense of who I am, what I do,and whether I'm the right fit.
Because I feel so strongly thatit does not matter how skilled a
healer is, if there is notrapport, if there is not a sense
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of safety, if there is not asense of trust. And if there is
not a sense of you are the rightperson for me, doesn't matter
what kind of credentials I have.
And doesn't matter how well I'vehelped somebody else. If I'm not
right for you, I'm not right foryou. So the book is a two parts,
it's it two parts. The firstpart is the why and the what of
what it means to be a highlysensitive empathic person, what
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what like being an empath is allabout why, at least from my
perspective, we are this way, Italk about some of the science
of like mirror neurons, and justkind of like and explaining
things about like inheritedtrauma, as well as all of the
different ways that it can beimpacting us. And then the
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second half of the book is thefive step system of empathic
mastery, which is a five stepsystem to go from in, you know,
from Emotional Hot mess tothriving success. But it's all
about first we have to recognizewhat's ours and what's not ours.
And that is a journey, like thatis an absolute process. And from
that, recognizing and I findthat it's actually four stages
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and recognize first we recognizewe're wonky, we're out of sorts.
Secondly, then we start askingthe question Is this mine? Then
from that, we start asking,what's mine, what's not mine?
And then going into the deeperlevel of where is this coming
from? What is this about? Why isthis happening for me now? Then
the next step is release.
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Because it we in order to reallyfunction? Well, we need to drain
all the stuff that we've beencarrying around, we cannot keep
absorbing the energy that we'vebeen taking on. And so release
is all about using topping aboutusing any number of techniques
to let go of the stuff we'vebeen carrying. And then only
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after we've recognized andreleased do we start to really
protect by building up ourenergy systems by being able to
really gain like get like morerobust filters and shields and
self protection so that we'renot as porous and energetically
sensitive. But then alsostrategic boundaries of like,
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No, I am not going to respond tothat text message from that
drama queen of a friend at 1130at night. And so there's a lot
of like self awareness thatcomes with protection as well
and strategic boundaries as wellas energetic boundaries. And
then because the universe abhorsa vacuum Connect is the fourth
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step, because in order to notjust find ourselves back in the
old patterns of absorbingnegativity and other people's
distress, what we need to do isreplace it with positive energy
by connecting with a force powergreater than ourselves. And your
relationship with the divine maybe completely different, or will
be completely different thanmine. Therefore, I'm not going
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to tell you what connect lookslike, as much as I'm just gonna
say, we need to connect withsomething bigger than ourselves,
and get out of our ego and intoour heart. And then from
connect, we come to act, whichhas to do with how do we live in
the world as a responsibleEmpath, as an empowered Empath,
doing things in a different way.
So that's the book. And itreally does lay out all of it
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and explain what does it mean?
Why do why are we this way? Andwhat are we going to do about
it? The podcast, empathicmastery show is a podcast that
I've been doing now for a coupleyears, and where I mostly love
to interview other highlysensitive Empaths, and talk to
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them about the ways that beinghighly sensitive is impacting
their life, and how they'veturned their life around. So for
example, there's an episode thatjust recently came out about
empaths, and narcissists, andtalking about the impact of
being an empath attracted to anarcissist. There is another one
(56:55):
that I did about empaths andADHD. And then another one where
I interviewed somebody who'sbeen in Animal Rescue for many
years talking about empaths andanimal rescue, and the pitfalls
of being in animal rescue as ahighly sensitive person,
especially with no system set upto protect to help them run the
rescue and the boundary lessnessof an unchecked empath. So the
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podcast, I'm so proud of it, thestories that I'm so grateful for
my for my guests as well,because they're so candid,
they're so forthcoming, they'reso willing to share their truth.
And like, it's so raw, it's soreal. It's so inspiring. It's so
hopeful that it just I love thepodcast, and I just want as many
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people to be able to hear thesestories as possible. Because I
think sharing each sharing ourstories, which I imagine you
agree with, considering the waythat you've been running this
podcast, it just feels to melike that's the way we're going
to turn this world around is bysharing stories and by
understanding what each we'vebeen through. So that answers
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the first two things and then iflike, listen, reading my book
and listening to my podcast,you're like, I think she might
be able to help me. I work in anumber of different ways. I
basically have sort of two armsto my business. One side of it
is that I am a master trainerfor EFT International. And I
train other people how to beimpeccable EFT practitioners. I
(58:23):
work very much focused ongentleness and rapport and all
about both how to work safelywith our clients but also how to
work safely as highly sensitiveempathic people. And I run one
training a year of level one andtwo EFT trainings to help
somebody develop their skills tobecome a professional. And then
(58:44):
I spend the next year mentoringpeople into accreditation,
because it's a there's manyhoops to jump through to become
an EFT practitioner through EFTInternational. Whereas some
people can take a course onUdemy and claim to be an EFT
practitioner, we actually havevery rigorous and you know, and
very, very stringent standards.
So and if you're interested inlearning more about that, just
(59:07):
jump over to EFTinstruction.com. The other side
of my work is about working withempaths. And I do that both in
groups and individually one onone, and generally with one on
one people. I will work ineither small like sort of triage
situations where I work like fora short period of time with
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somebody or I have people who'vebeen working with me
consistently in programs likewhere I work with them bi weekly
for years at this point in timebecause a lot of people who once
they start working with me staywith me and we keep working
together. And so if you'reinterested in learning more
about ways to work with me, youcan certainly come over to
(59:51):
Empathicmastery.com And look atthe work with me section. I also
On the empathic mastery Academy,which is you know, and I'm
running the I'm right, currentlyrunning a live round of it,
where we're going through thefive steps of empathic mastery,
how to work with it. This is agroup program that has a live
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component to it. But then also,it's like, it's got lifetime
access, once you're part of it,you get to be part of the
community and stay and keep ondoing this work together as we
explore it, and go deeper anddeeper, because in my
experience, it's not just a flipa switch and understand it. This
is a process it is a gradualprocess, to fully, deeply truly
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come to understand how do welive in a different way so that
we are not being debilitated byall of the intensity that we're
picking up from the world aroundus. And the other thing is that
recently, one of the things thatI've started to do is I am
actually I do a, I pull out mytarot cards once a year, to do
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new to do readings for a yearyear readings for people, I have
a thing called my magnificentnew year. And so I read, I do a
12 month, very, very, verycomprehensive, very VIP, very,
like in depth reading, right atthe strip will start like right
(01:01:21):
around right after Thanksgiving,and go through the end of
January. And I do that likeonce, just like once a year. And
the other thing that I do isAkashic Record work, which I
love, love, love to do. And so,and that I tend to do more of
not as much like as a program,but as a, like a, you know, like
(01:01:43):
one or a few sessions withpeople on that. Although, again,
people are like, keep comingback and doing this work. Yeah.
So that's what I do. And that's,that's how I work with people.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:59):
Yeah, so Oh, so really, if somebody goes to
empathic, mastery.com then theycan
Jennifer Moore (01:02:04):
find everything.
Exactly. And it's really simple.
If you want the book, empathicmastery, book.com If you want
the show, empathic masteryshow.com If you want all of it
empathic mastery.com. And like Isaid, for very specifically for
the EFT information EFTinstruction.com. But if you go
to empathic mastery.com, it willlead you to that as well.
Arwen Bardsley (01:02:27):
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, such a wealth of
things that you're here to offerthe world and I'm so glad you
you found your your way to doingthat. What you're doing now,
Jen,
Jennifer Moore (01:02:39):
thank you.
Arwen. It has been really apleasure talking with you. I'm
you know, it's always I find itso fascinating. Sometimes the
information that comes throughthat I'm suddenly like, Oh,
here's a new piece ofinformation I'd never thought of
before. So I had a number of ahamoments. I hope other people did
too.
Arwen Bardsley (01:02:57):
Yeah, wonderful.
All right. Well, thanks so muchfor your time today. Thank you.
Yes.
Welcome, everyone. Delighted to be back
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here again with another episodeof the five star wellbeing
podcast. And welcome to everyonewho's watching on video as well.
I've got another wonderful guestfor you today Best Selling
Author Jennifer Moore. Jenniferholds a master's degree in
psychology and religion. She'salso an accredited master
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trainer for EFT International,and founder of the empathic
mastery Academy. Jen supportsother highly sensitive intuitive
women to release empathicoverwhelm, and distress so they
can access access their innerwisdom and power. Jen spoke
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empathic mastery is an AmazonBest Seller. And she also hosts
her own podcast called TheEmpathic mastery show. So
welcome, Jen. I love to startwith just a bit of background
about you so we can understandhow you got to be where you are
today doing what you're doingtoday.
Jennifer Moore (01:13):
Okay, well, thank you so much for having me.
Arwen I'm really excited to behere. Ah, so where do we even
begin, I guess what I would sayis we start at the very
beginning, I was bornI was born into a pretty normal
or average, you know, whiteAmerican family, sort of the
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classic, suburban America withthe like, I mean, we didn't have
a white picket fence, weactually had a split rail fence
with, like, pink roses growingin front of it. But, but we had,
but we you know, but I grew upbasically with like, you know,
two parents and, and, and likethe dog, and eventually we got
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rid of the dog, and we got cats,and they had a brother and a
sister. And life was just like,really sort of your classic
American childhood, except thatI was not your classic American
child. And from the time I wasreally little, I kind of knew I
was different. I was moresensitive than most other kids
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were, I was constantly beingcalled a chatterbox. Because I
was very verbal, even as a very,very little child. But I also
was being told that I was toosensitive that I was
overreacting that I was takingthings too personally. And then
I just needed to develop atougher skin. And the even the
children could really see orrecognize that there was you
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know that I was a little bitdifferent that I was an outlier.
So I really related to I don'tknow if you guys have Rudolph
the red nosed reindeer inAustralia, but I really related
to Rudolph like I was an end tobeing like, into the misfit toys
and toys like I knew that I wasdifferent. And I also was really
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fascinated by all thingsmagical. Like even as a very,
very small child, I, you know,was like my favorite TV shows
were like beWitched. And I Dreamof Jeannie, which is dating me
for sure. But like I was, youknow, I just like the sense of
possibility, the sense of magicthat really excited me. And so,
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by the age of nine, I had myfirst prophetic dream where I
dreamed that the night that myvery first best friend's mother
died, I dreamed my own motherdied, which is very much the way
an empath experiences things,because I'll sort of jump ahead
in the sense that, as youmentioned in the bio, my work is
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all about empaths, and all aboutall things Empath and what it
means to be that. And so beforeI go any further, I'll just say
that my definition of Empath,because different people have
slightly different definitionsis that an empath is a being who
picks up the thoughts, thefeelings, the energy, the
sensations from the world aroundthem. But unlike an intuitive, a
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psychic medium channel, whoknows that they're picking up
information and receiving it,and recognizing that it's not
theirs? Empaths experience allthe information through their
own felt sense through their ownfilters. And so they process
information as if it's theirown. And so the challenge with
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being highly sensitive andempathic is that instead of it
being, oh, I'm sensing sadnessin the world around me. It's, I
feel incredibly sad. Or, in thecase of this prophetic dream, I
didn't dream about my Myfriend's mother dying, I dreamed
my own mother died. And sowhat's hard about this is that
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in a culture that does not ownits feelings, which there's a
fair bit of compartmentalizingand stuffing down emotions, in
western civilization, whathappens is the feedback you get
from a very early age is not Oh,my goodness, you're picking up
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on my sadness, it's paying noattention to the man behind the
curtain. There's nothing goingon here. You're just making this
stuff up. And you're beingyou're just overreacting,
there's, you know, like,basically nothing to see here,
move along, folks. And so forme, I was picking up stuff from
a very, very, very early age.
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But I wasn't getting anyvalidation that this was what
was going on. And so the onlyconclusion that I could possibly
form was that there wassomething wrong with me, and
that I needed to toughen up thatI needed to fix myself that I
needed to be a different kind ofperson. And that, obviously, I
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was just, you know, thissensitivity had nothing to do
with anything else outside ofme, therefore, like I needed to
deal with what was going on withme. And so as you might imagine,
this is really hard and reallystressful. And so within, by the
time I was like, in early atween, and in early adolescence,
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I was finding ways to selfsoothe primarily with sugar, and
books. And so I would dive intoa book or I would basically like
turn to food, especially, butlike I said, especially sugar
and sweet things, to try to getsome kind of sense of relief.
But while books certainly are agreat escape mechanism, you can
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only read so many books. Sugar,on the other hand, is definitely
not a very good thing for selfsoothing. And so I was finding
myself not able to control myemotions, feeling more and more
emotionally unstable andanxious. And really spinning out
with a lot of body image issueswith a lot of like, not being
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able to control my foodcravings, and yet feeling
incredibly guilty about it, andjust really in a state of
distress. And so by the time Iwas basically in my early 20s, I
landed in a therapists office,who happened to be a really
gifted therapist, she was not myfirst therapist, I saw some not
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so great therapists. And ifanybody is considering working
with a psychotherapist, what Iwould absolutely say is fit
really matters. And you may haveto try a few people. But I ended
up with this amazing therapistwho happened to be intuitive,
and very psychic. And who wasthe first person who started to
help me recognize that so muchof the time, what I was feeling
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was as a direct result ofsomething that was going on in
the world around me, and itwasn't just mine. And the thing
is that if you're trying to fixwhat is, you know, if you're
trying to fix something, and theonly answer you have is that
it's something inside of you,but it's not inside of you.
There's only so much you can doto deal with that until you can
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identify that it's that you'reactually absorbing the energy
from the outside world. So Iknow long, long answer, but a
lot of lot lot to the story forsure.
Arwen Bardsley (08:46):
And so this therapist helped you to realize
that, you know, wasn't somethingwrong with you,
Jennifer Moore (08:54):
right? She I mean, if so often. And I mean, I
spent years working with this. Imean, she was an amazing woman,
and I spent years working withher. And it was like, like, at
first like I was just coming toher trying to figure out like
how to make me better, or how tomake me less, you no less
distressed, less anxious. And itwas like it was such an
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incredible relief, though, tohave somebody who was able to
help me see how so frequently,if I was coming to her in a
state of distress or feeling outof sorts and feeling like
worried or wonky. It was afteran encounter with somebody else,
after some kind of thing hadhappened. And so she was the
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person who started to help me tolike, unpack the the baggage and
sort of pull apart the puzzleand look at the pieces and go,
Oh, I was fine. And then I hadthis encounter with this person
who was really upset anddistressed about something and
then I was upset and distressed.
And she was the first person Wholike helped me to start grasping
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how porous and emotionallysensitive I was to other
people's stuff. I didn't fullyunderstand the ramifications of
what all of that meant. At thatpoint in my life like it has
been definitely a journey toreally understand just how
profoundly being an empath canaffect pretty much every aspect
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of life. But she was the firstperson who started to help me to
like, recognize when I wasfeeling something and whether it
was actually mine or not. And Iwould say that most of the time,
if the distress was kind oflike, Amplified, that it was not
just mine. And I'll actually goout on a limb and say, it just
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sort of this realization is I'mtalking because I don't think
I've ever said this before. ButI actually think that when the
thing about empathic distress isthat there's something very
disconcerting about it, becauseyou can't identify the source in
the same way. And I know thatwhen something is going on, in
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the world around me, or, orlike, like, going on for me
about some circumstance orsomething going on, I could be
feeling very distressed, I couldbe feeling very anxious, I could
be feeling very angry, I couldbe feeling very sad. Like, I
could be feeling any number ofemotions, but I know they're
mine. And I know why I'm feelingthem. And so even if it's
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uncomfortable, there isn't thisfeeling of uneasiness about it?
Like, it's just kind of like,oh, this is just how I'm
feeling. Whereas when I'mfeeling picking up on the
distress from the world aroundme, part of what makes it extra
uncomfortable, is the fact thatit's very hard to identify the
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reason why I'm feeling this way.
I feel like there's a sort oflike, why, like, there's no
reason I should be feeling thisway. Why am I feeling this way.
And I actually find that this ispretty much a dead giveaway,
that what I'm experiencing issomething that's coming from
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more than myself, if I cannotcorrelate it with anything. Now,
I will say that knowing oneselfand knowing one's history, is a
very important part of thatdiscernment. Because if we have
a lot of skeletons in the closetand have not dealt with our
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trauma, then we can gettriggered by things that are
lurking under the surface, andit can feel like it's coming
from the outside world. But ifyou've done enough of like,
after a certain point where youkind of know what's under the
hood, and you're still havingthese sort of like feelings,
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feeling gripped with terror, forno reason whatsoever, in my
experience, that is generallybecause because I or you know,
you are the listener is pickingup on empathic distress.
Arwen Bardsley (13:16):
Thank you for that. That's a really good way
to for people to helpDifferentiate,.
Jennifer Moore (13:21):
differentiate.
Yeah.
Arwen Bardsley (13:24):
But so when you had that prophetic, prophetic
dream, when you were a littlegirl, what what response did you
get from your family? Or, youknow, did you tell anyone?
Jennifer Moore (13:36):
I was so talkative, I am sure I told
people and I'm just trying tothink of, you know, so like, I
got, I have the dream. And Idon't think I had and I think
like life was going on. So like,I went through my day, and I had
like, the worst day of my nineyear old life, like I was really
the client, I was justverklempt. I was like,
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heartbroken and bereft and justreally feeling absolutely awful,
because my friend, I'm sure whoI hadn't seen in a couple of
years, because she was livinglike, I grew up in
Massachusetts, but her familyhad moved to upstate New York.
And so they lived like a goodlike, five, six hours away from
us by car. So it wasn't like Isaw her at all. But, um, but I
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but I was connect I still wasconnected to her. So I had this
I had just the most emotionalday of my nine year old life.
And at the end of the day, mymom was just sort of announced
to us at the dinner table thatmy friend's mom had died of
breast cancer that night. And Iknew I just knew, but I'm trying
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to think of like I grew up witha family of self identified like
agnostics and atheists. And wellmy mom's family was very like
was was practicing IrishCatholics. My dad's family were
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sort of intellectual agnosticslike they sort of like, like did
lip service to church, butreally, like my father was not
raised, was not raised in apracticing religion, like his
parents were intellectuals,which is pretty spectacular
because my dad was born in themid 30s. And so my grandparents
were, like, really outside ofthe box in terms of like
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American culture, like peoplewent to church when my father
was a kid, and he didn't. But mymom had left the church when the
Catholic Church when she was inher early 20s, before I was
born. And so as a result, myparents did not have any faith,
any kind of faith practice orfaith or belief. And they
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weren't. So they, their theirreligion was science, their
religion was intellect, theirreligion was rationality. And
so, I, I got a lot of, there'sno such thing as magic. There's
no such thing as God, there's nosuch thing as these kinds of
things. But somehow, that thatextrasensory perception stuff
(16:16):
was a little bit outside ofoutside of that, that x that
area. And so, I believe, like,at my mom, she actually was the
person who said, you know, I wasreading an article about this
thing called ESP. And I mean, Istill remember when she told I
was like, nine, so it was aroundthe same age. And I just
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remember, like, it feels like,like, when I hear the word ESP,
it's like, it feels like it waslike, the, the words are just
reverberating like in my head,like E S. P. And that, for me,
was like, just like that was oneof the clues that I needed to
understand myself. So I think mymom kind of got it because my
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mom also was very intuitive. AndI like there's a story about my
great grandmother.
On the night that one of hersons went overboard at sea,
because I come from my mom'sside of the family. We're all
like Irish, you know, like theywere like fishermen from Nova
Scotia, Canada. And, and so whenone of my uncle's went over
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overboard and died at sea, heappeared at the foot at the bed
at the, at the, at the bed of mygrandma, my great grandmother,
and basically to say goodbye,like he was standing the foot of
her bed, woke her up and waslike, I love you. I'm good. Bye
bye. So I come from people whohave abilities, and my mom has
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abilities, but my mom was alsojust kind of like really did a
bit of throwing the baby outwith the bathwater. So I got a
lot of very conflictedinformation, like sort of like
yes, no, yes, no coming from mymom. And my, my dad's side of
the family, and particularly mygrandmother thought all of this
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stuff was hooey. And so I grewup with a fair bit of
skepticism, and a fair bit oflike, you know, prove it kind of
energy coming. And that wassomething that I, unfortunately,
manifested repeatedly inrelationships with very
skeptical atheist partners who,like, had no and who basically
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were kind of like, yes, sure,that's what you're saying. And
so I've really had to, I see itas in many ways, I mean, it was,
it was hard, growing up withthat kind of negation, and that
kind of invalidation. But I alsoreally appreciate the fact that
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I'm comfortable speaking toskepticism. And I'm also
comfortable acknowledgingskepticism and acknowledging
that something can really seemreally weird, in a way that if I
had just grown up around peoplewho just accepted it, I might
not have as much willingness tosort of create a bridge between
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sort of Woo and practicality.
And a big part of the work thatI I've been able to do is really
learn how to kind of have boththe Woo and the practicality and
sort of at least a nod to thescientific side of things.
Arwen Bardsley (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you probably
couldn't be doing what you do.
Now, if you didn't understandboth sides.
Jennifer Moore (19:44):
Right, right. I mean, I could certainly continue
to do the intuitive and thepsychic work in everything but
having it grounded in likeunderstanding the basics of
neuroscience, like understandingthe basics of like, you know,
the vagus nerve and how Thesethings work makes it a lot
easier. But it also makes it alot more accessible because some
(20:05):
people want to understand thingsfrom an energetic standpoint.
Some people want to understandthings more from a physiological
standpoint. And I think it'sreally, it's really helpful to
have enough to have more thanone perspective of the world so
that you can communicate withpeople who have different
perspectives than you do.
Arwen Bardsley (20:25):
Yeah, yeah. I think yeah. But working with
people who are trying tounderstand how to protect
themselves as empaths.
Yeah, I think it's verybeneficial that you've got that,
that big, that big view of, ofhow other people might see them
(20:47):
and understand what they'regoing through or not understand.
Yeah, I think that's really,that's really great that you've
got that background.
Jennifer Moore (36:01):
Emotional Freedom Technique, or tapping as
(37:08):
it is quite a bit. But I didthink to myself, there may be a
number of people who arelistening who don't actually
know what that is. Yeah, give usa 101 on that.
Okay, so EFT stands forEmotional Freedom Techniques.
And the simplest way to describeit is that it's kind of like a
form of mental emotionalacupuncture without the needles.
(37:32):
And what we do is we think aboutan issue, something that's going
on for us, maybe it's a physicalpain, maybe it's a craving,
maybe it's a memory, maybe it'sa limiting belief, like I was
working with doing some workwith my mentees the other day,
and we came up against a reallyold belief, which is basically,
the only way to get anythingdone is if you work hard with
(37:55):
you know, if you're disciplinedand you work hard, like period,
that's the only way thatanything is ever the only way
you're ever going to succeed.
And so when it comes to EFT wesort of identify either the
general sense of something orthe very precise issue that is
going on. And then what we do iswe tap on a series of
acupressure points oracupuncture points on our body.
(38:20):
Usually they're sort of theendpoints of meridians. And we
tap on either our hands, or headand our torso mostly, while we
will usually be speaking, usingvery like using a formula that's
generally very simplified. Soinstead of, it can it is
possible to just kind of liketap and talk. But to really
(38:43):
address and clear things, it'sgenerally more effective if we
focus very precisely on onespecific thing. And so, I've
personally just witnessedabsolute miracles with this. I
will also say that on firstglance, tapping can look really
weird. And if you are vain, likeI am, when I first started doing
(39:07):
it, I really didn't want to looklike a monkey. Like I really was
kind of like, this looks reallyweird. Like people are gonna
think I'm really weird. I nowhave gotten so used to doing it.
And I also have experienced somuch relief, that I'm very
comfortable doing it because thething about tapping, is that
(39:30):
what it and it's I don'tnecessarily understand the exact
mechanism of why this does this.
But what tapping does is itcalms down our nervous system it
re regulates allows us toreregulate our vagus nerve,
(39:51):
vagus, the vagus nerve, but italso reboots the amygdala which
is the fight or flight mechanismin our brain And we live in a
culture like, up until maybe theindustrial revolution where
people started to have thesesedentary lives and experiences.
As a species, we have beenactive. And mammals are
(40:16):
generally made to basically likethe way that adrenaline and
stress hormones work. And theamygdala, which controls our
fight or flight mechanism worksis that what happens for us is
that we get this surge ofadrenaline, and it gives us the
energy to either fight or flee.
But if we don't have any otheroption, we will often freeze or
(40:43):
flop or fawn, which is much morecommon with women. But the thing
is, when we either fight orflee, we exert enough energy
that we like shake off the the,the extra energy, and we sort of
burn off the extra adrenaline.
(41:04):
And so what happens is whenwe're sort of out of harm's way,
and the energy, like the effortwe've made is kind of like
subsided, the amygdala goes backto normal, like the sort of like
the flap the trapdoor closes.
But because we're living in aculture where most threats are
existential, as opposed to like,there's no saber toothed Tiger
(41:25):
that's chasing us. Now, it's atext from our boss. And so we do
not exert any effort to shiftit. And what happens is we stay
in these perpetual states ofcyclical stress, that keep
reinforcing itself. And so manyof us are in this state where
(41:47):
our amygdala, which is the partof our brain, that is signaling
stress to us, stays in thisstate of like stress, stress,
stress, stress, stress, whichthen causes our adrenal systems
and like the, you know, ourstress hormones to pump out more
cortisol and adrenaline, whichthen gets us in this state of
(42:07):
just like this, this tape loopof constant stress. So the
beautiful, beautiful thing aboutEFT is that it allows our
nervous system, our alarm systemand the amygdala in our brain to
stand down and to stop signalingdanger, when we are not when you
(42:28):
know when we are physically notin danger. And amazingly, it
also really allows us torepattern the way that we
perceive things that frequentlywhen we tap on something where
we might have been frozen inamber with a memory from the
time we were like toddlers, wecan tap on it and loosen it and
(42:52):
see it and which allows us tosee it in a new way. Because a
lot of times the conclusionsthat we form about life as two
year olds, or four year olds, orsix year olds or nine year olds,
is not accurate. But that partof us gets locked in the
(43:13):
distress and sort of stays inthat place. And often will be
informing our sense of anythingthat even remotely resembles
that experience. So that's anexplanation for EFT.
Arwen Bardsley (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, it kind of at interrupt. It's you
know, you're obviously workingwith energy because we're
tapping on acupressure points.
So it interrupts the signalingand the energy and, yeah,
Jennifer Moore (43:42):
well, and Gary Craig, who's the founder of EFT
the person who created the basicrecipe and came up with you
know, sort of like a lot of whatwe understand about EFT today,
he referred to it is like energydisruptions in the energy field
and that what he believed isthat all distress is as a result
of basically like energeticcongestion, or I use the word
(44:06):
congestion. He calls them zits,like, but basically like these
places where we have these kindof like, short circuits in the
energy system. And that bytapping on the acupuncture
points, I almost think of it aslike an ultrasonic cleaner. By
tapping on the energy points andtapping on the sequence of our
(44:27):
acupuncture meridians, what weare doing is we are actually
kind of clearing the energystreams that are running through
us. And that is then allowingthose places where we are
emotionally and mentallycongested to dissipate to expand
(44:47):
to open up, which then allows usto perceive things in a whole
new way.
Arwen Bardsley (44:52):
Yeah, yeah. And so you do that. So all your work
is remote now
Jennifer Moore (45:00):
Yeah, all of my work is remote right now. Yeah,
I, eventually I might be able tobecause I mean, I have this
beautiful space that I builtright before everything started
that has an and I built itimmediately I was guided by
spirit. And so the space isexactly what it's supposed to be
(45:20):
like, there's an entire upstairsloft that was designed for
trainings and teachings andceremony and rituals. And before
we had to go into lockdown, andeverything kind of went sideways
here in the US, really on theentire planet. I was having,
like, like, like I was bringingin sound bowl like crystal bowl,
(45:42):
sound healing, amaze, like, justamazing things were already
starting to happen in the space.
And I know that when it is time,the space will be ready for live
events as well. Butinterestingly, I actually
probably when it comes to likeone on one work, and it comes to
ongoing courses, that willremain virtual, because I
(46:05):
really, really love workingvirtually. And what I've also
found is that where it feels tome, like often people who are
more neurotypical, and maybe,quote, muggles, unquote, will
have a much hard seem to have amuch harder time with Zoom and
(46:26):
with virtual connecting, thanthose of us who are highly
sensitive, and, you know,intuitive, tell us, you know,
telepathic empathic. And so whatI've noticed is that a lot of us
who have more of the sort ofpsychic or senses, you know,
sensitivity, we enter into thesespaces with each other, and we
(46:46):
share energy, you know, outsideof time and space. And that
allows us to connect in a way,but it also allows us to not be
picking up the static of the ofthe physical body in our
presence, and sometimes the,like, the physical distractions
of being in the presence ofanother person. Whereas for your
(47:08):
average person, what I've seenis that, if you're not able to
pick up on the energy, thenyou're over compensating, by
trying to follow visual cues inthis little thumbnail in front
of you on your computer screen,and trying to catch the auditory
cues of the tone of voice andthings like that, but missing a
(47:32):
lot of that information. Whereasfor those of us who are
sensitives, I actually thinkthat working virtually, in some
ways is actually more effortlessthan working in person, because
there's less of the physicaldistractions, that can really be
like, overwhelming for somebodywho's really super sensitive,
(47:56):
like I am.
Arwen Bardsley (47:58):
Yeah, no, I can understand that. I mean, I've
certainly taken part in ritualsand things during COVID, that
we're all online and feelamazing connections and, you
know, amazing just sensations ofenergy, even though and you're
(48:20):
probably right about thephysical, you know, distraction
of being, being in the samespace with other people can can
play a part, my only thing isthe whole, you know, the whole
electronics, you know, being onthe internet all the time is
just, yeah, that, you know, kindof exhausting. You know, I know,
I'm getting all that electronicstuff as well,
Jennifer Moore (48:43):
that Yeah, well, and I think that being really
mindful of what our personallimits are being really mindful
of eye strain, being reallymindful of like, even things
like just our you like color,you know, I'm in an Amber Room.
And I really think that like thequality of light makes a huge
(49:05):
difference in terms of how weare processing things. You know,
and that's something just ingeneral, I would say for myself,
that has been a really biglesson over the last three
years, has been about the choiceto curate my reality. And I
don't mean like bypass and justignore things that are going on.
(49:30):
But I do mean making a veryconscious choice about what are
the things that I have thecapacity to process and that I
have the capacity to understandwhat is my jurisdiction what is
not mine, like what are youknow, and not necessarily just
engaging in things? Because forthe sake like, like just being
(49:51):
mindful, like for example, therewere periods of time, especially
at the beginning of thepandemic, where I was picking up
so much Anxiety from the worldaround us that I had to really,
really dial back on anythingviolent on television. And so I
needed to be really cautiousabout the amount of news that I
(50:13):
was exposing myself to on aweekly basis, I needed to be
really cautious about any kindof program that involves loud
noises or violent you know,like, it's like violence and
cruelty. And I ended up goingthrough a period where like, all
I could really tolerate was GoodWitch, like I was watching,
which is this very, very sweetHallmark series about this
(50:35):
woman, Cassie Nightingale who'slike a healer and an intuitive,
and it's so mild, like, it'sjust so mild. And that was what
I can tolerate was mildness. AndI think that, that in a way,
it's like, whether it's EMFs,whether it's television, whether
it is exposure to crowds, likewhatever it is, that it's very
(50:59):
important to be aware of, whatcan we what is good for our
system? What can we tolerate?
What can we, what can we workwith? I will say, personally, I
feel incredibly grateful that Ifeel actually very calibrated to
computers, and to the internet.
(51:22):
And so I don't experiencecomputers and internet as being
energetically disruptive to mysystem, driving under high
tension wires, on the otherhand, that makes my skin crawl.
But, but it's almost like mybody, like in the same way that
sometimes if like, you'd canjust sort of like, let your body
(51:43):
know that something is coming,we can kind of adapt to it, I
find that my system is fairlywell adapted to computers. If
anything, I notice that when I'maway from computers for a
fairly, you know, if I'm sort ofoff grid for a period of time,
it takes my nervous system acouple of days to kind of
(52:05):
decompress and calm down andrelax, because it is so
stimulating. So I would say forme it's not harmful, as much as
it is energizing andstimulating.
Arwen Bardsley (52:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, everyone'sdifferent, aren't they? Yeah. So
you better tell us about? Yeah,I guess, you know, my question
would be well, well, who shouldwork with you? What what do you
offer people other than whatyou've already told us, and just
a bit about your book and yourpodcast as well, before we
finish
Jennifer Moore (52:39):
awesome. So I guess I'll start with talking
about the book. And the book is,in some ways, a really good
place to as well as the podcastare both really good ways to get
a sense of who I am, what I do,and whether I'm the right fit.
Because I feel so strongly thatit does not matter how skilled a
healer is, if there is notrapport, if there is not a sense
(53:00):
of safety, if there is not asense of trust. And if there is
not a sense of you are the rightperson for me, doesn't matter
what kind of credentials I have.
And doesn't matter how well I'vehelped somebody else. If I'm not
right for you, I'm not right foryou. So the book is a two parts,
it's it two parts. The firstpart is the why and the what of
what it means to be a highlysensitive empathic person, what
(53:22):
what like being an empath is allabout why, at least from my
perspective, we are this way, Italk about some of the science
of like mirror neurons, and justkind of like and explaining
things about like inheritedtrauma, as well as all of the
different ways that it can beimpacting us. And then the
(53:43):
second half of the book is thefive step system of empathic
mastery, which is a five stepsystem to go from in, you know,
from Emotional Hot mess tothriving success. But it's all
about first we have to recognizewhat's ours and what's not ours.
And that is a journey, like thatis an absolute process. And from
that, recognizing and I findthat it's actually four stages
(54:07):
and recognize first we recognizewe're wonky, we're out of sorts.
Secondly, then we start askingthe question Is this mine? Then
from that, we start asking,what's mine, what's not mine?
And then going into the deeperlevel of where is this coming
from? What is this about? Why isthis happening for me now? Then
the next step is release.
(54:27):
Because it we in order to reallyfunction? Well, we need to drain
all the stuff that we've beencarrying around, we cannot keep
absorbing the energy that we'vebeen taking on. And so release
is all about using topping aboutusing any number of techniques
to let go of the stuff we'vebeen carrying. And then only
(54:49):
after we've recognized andreleased do we start to really
protect by building up ourenergy systems by being able to
really gain like get like morerobust filters and shields and
self protection so that we'renot as porous and energetically
sensitive. But then alsostrategic boundaries of like,
(55:10):
No, I am not going to respond tothat text message from that
drama queen of a friend at 1130at night. And so there's a lot
of like self awareness thatcomes with protection as well
and strategic boundaries as wellas energetic boundaries. And
then because the universe abhorsa vacuum Connect is the fourth
(55:31):
step, because in order to notjust find ourselves back in the
old patterns of absorbingnegativity and other people's
distress, what we need to do isreplace it with positive energy
by connecting with a force powergreater than ourselves. And your
relationship with the divine maybe completely different, or will
be completely different thanmine. Therefore, I'm not going
(55:53):
to tell you what connect lookslike, as much as I'm just gonna
say, we need to connect withsomething bigger than ourselves,
and get out of our ego and intoour heart. And then from
connect, we come to act, whichhas to do with how do we live in
the world as a responsibleEmpath, as an empowered Empath,
doing things in a different way.
So that's the book. And itreally does lay out all of it
(56:15):
and explain what does it mean?
Why do why are we this way? Andwhat are we going to do about
it? The podcast, empathicmastery show is a podcast that
I've been doing now for a coupleyears, and where I mostly love
to interview other highlysensitive Empaths, and talk to
(56:35):
them about the ways that beinghighly sensitive is impacting
their life, and how they'veturned their life around. So for
example, there's an episode thatjust recently came out about
empaths, and narcissists, andtalking about the impact of
being an empath attracted to anarcissist. There is another one
(56:55):
that I did about empaths andADHD. And then another one where
I interviewed somebody who'sbeen in Animal Rescue for many
years talking about empaths andanimal rescue, and the pitfalls
of being in animal rescue as ahighly sensitive person,
especially with no system set upto protect to help them run the
rescue and the boundary lessnessof an unchecked empath. So the
(57:19):
podcast, I'm so proud of it, thestories that I'm so grateful for
my for my guests as well,because they're so candid,
they're so forthcoming, they'reso willing to share their truth.
And like, it's so raw, it's soreal. It's so inspiring. It's so
hopeful that it just I love thepodcast, and I just want as many
(57:42):
people to be able to hear thesestories as possible. Because I
think sharing each sharing ourstories, which I imagine you
agree with, considering the waythat you've been running this
podcast, it just feels to melike that's the way we're going
to turn this world around is bysharing stories and by
understanding what each we'vebeen through. So that answers
(58:03):
the first two things and then iflike, listen, reading my book
and listening to my podcast,you're like, I think she might
be able to help me. I work in anumber of different ways. I
basically have sort of two armsto my business. One side of it
is that I am a master trainerfor EFT International. And I
train other people how to beimpeccable EFT practitioners. I
(58:23):
work very much focused ongentleness and rapport and all
about both how to work safelywith our clients but also how to
work safely as highly sensitiveempathic people. And I run one
training a year of level one andtwo EFT trainings to help
somebody develop their skills tobecome a professional. And then
(58:44):
I spend the next year mentoringpeople into accreditation,
because it's a there's manyhoops to jump through to become
an EFT practitioner through EFTInternational. Whereas some
people can take a course onUdemy and claim to be an EFT
practitioner, we actually havevery rigorous and you know, and
very, very stringent standards.
So and if you're interested inlearning more about that, just
(59:07):
jump over to EFTinstruction.com. The other side
of my work is about working withempaths. And I do that both in
groups and individually one onone, and generally with one on
one people. I will work ineither small like sort of triage
situations where I work like fora short period of time with
(59:30):
somebody or I have people who'vebeen working with me
consistently in programs likewhere I work with them bi weekly
for years at this point in timebecause a lot of people who once
they start working with me staywith me and we keep working
together. And so if you'reinterested in learning more
about ways to work with me, youcan certainly come over to
(59:51):
Empathicmastery.com And look atthe work with me section. I also
On the empathic mastery Academy,which is you know, and I'm
running the I'm right, currentlyrunning a live round of it,
where we're going through thefive steps of empathic mastery,
how to work with it. This is agroup program that has a live
(01:00:12):
component to it. But then also,it's like, it's got lifetime
access, once you're part of it,you get to be part of the
community and stay and keep ondoing this work together as we
explore it, and go deeper anddeeper, because in my
experience, it's not just a flipa switch and understand it. This
is a process it is a gradualprocess, to fully, deeply truly
(01:00:35):
come to understand how do welive in a different way so that
we are not being debilitated byall of the intensity that we're
picking up from the world aroundus. And the other thing is that
recently, one of the things thatI've started to do is I am
actually I do a, I pull out mytarot cards once a year, to do
(01:00:58):
new to do readings for a yearyear readings for people, I have
a thing called my magnificentnew year. And so I read, I do a
12 month, very, very, verycomprehensive, very VIP, very,
like in depth reading, right atthe strip will start like right
(01:01:21):
around right after Thanksgiving,and go through the end of
January. And I do that likeonce, just like once a year. And
the other thing that I do isAkashic Record work, which I
love, love, love to do. And so,and that I tend to do more of
not as much like as a program,but as a, like a, you know, like
(01:01:43):
one or a few sessions withpeople on that. Although, again,
people are like, keep comingback and doing this work. Yeah.
So that's what I do. And that's,that's how I work with people.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:59):
Yeah, so Oh, so really, if somebody goes to
empathic, mastery.com then theycan
Jennifer Moore (01:02:04):
find everything.
Exactly. And it's really simple.
If you want the book, empathicmastery, book.com If you want
the show, empathic masteryshow.com If you want all of it
empathic mastery.com. And like Isaid, for very specifically for
the EFT information EFTinstruction.com. But if you go
to empathic mastery.com, it willlead you to that as well.
Arwen Bardsley (01:02:27):
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, such a wealth of
things that you're here to offerthe world and I'm so glad you
you found your your way to doingthat. What you're doing now,
Jen,
Jennifer Moore (01:02:39):
thank you.
Arwen. It has been really apleasure talking with you. I'm
you know, it's always I find itso fascinating. Sometimes the
information that comes throughthat I'm suddenly like, Oh,
here's a new piece ofinformation I'd never thought of
before. So I had a number of ahamoments. I hope other people did
too.
Arwen Bardsley (01:02:57):
Yeah, wonderful.
All right. Well, thanks so muchfor your time today. Thank you.
Yes.
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